#Surveillance Jobs & Refueling

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sinful herald
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Currently surveillance jobs allow players to refuel anywhere on the map, this isn't a bad thing but it is somewhat unrealistic that a player is allowed to refuel at an airfield in the surveillance area. I would propose that the surveillance job is updated to prevent players from refueling within the surveillance area or even preventing them from descending below a certain altitude while they are in the surveillance area.

I understand that there will be some push-back from the community on this but I believe it would better serve the role-playing aspect of the game even if it may have unforeseen impacts on the economy.

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surreal swallow
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jesus thats big

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you see the post and its just no fuel

sinful herald
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TLDR; You can't refuel over the surveillance area.

forest barn
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Hell no

graceful atlas
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boo

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how does that area know they're being surveyed

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what's a utility plane gonna do to your airspace? it's just gonna assess your weather

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su-24 on your airspace? nah it's conducting an unprecedented training exercise

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soviet cold war era recon jet above the oconian federation? nah it's just an experiment plane to see how they react

forest barn
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Skibidi tier @sinful herald

graceful atlas
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this suggestion is best regarded as PVE content; in order to limit the players from landing on the area, they would have to be intercepted by SAM missiles

forest barn
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Sam’s are crazy

forest barn
graceful atlas
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too bad aero won't do PVE content

forest barn
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Yeah

graceful atlas
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go wait for combined arms instead

forest barn
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I can’t wait for combined arms

warped finch
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i support

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would make surv harder

forest barn
silent olive
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this would make it more fun ngl

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makes you actually care about where and when you are refueling and lets you challenge yourself through gliding instead of "ok im done with the waypoints time to press T and nosedive"

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and instead of sam missiles you can just mission fail lol

forest barn
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i like sam idea better swag_2

tranquil wasp
wheat pelican
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skibidi tier suggestion at its finest

graceful atlas
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you know what

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since you die from entering the anomaly

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why not use the same feature the anomaly uses

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to act as SAM missile

surreal swallow
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you see

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the anomaly at seraphim is a wall

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meaning that it is a block

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but this means that it will only block airports

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and also only for one player (hard to implement)

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otherwise the airport is blocked for everyone

graceful atlas
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instance.new() whenever the surv job opens

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for client only

surreal swallow
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i dont speak code

zinc nacelle
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i kinda agree swag_2

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we don't even need SAM missiles as y'all have been saying

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have a prompt say something like "you will be detected if you land in the surveillance area !")

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and after ~30 seconds say "you have been detected" and mission fails

surreal swallow
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that brings up the issue of what if you are floating above the ground

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iirc some helis can surv

zinc nacelle
surreal swallow
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so like flight testing

scenic minnow
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As their altitude helps tremendously with fuel savings

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So the meta strats would just be annoying lmao

zinc nacelle
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so we could use that

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it's not perfectly accurate, but it works

scenic minnow
zinc nacelle
short root
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which explains why the cockpit rattling noises on planes with cockpits are sometimes missing

lean canyon
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How to create public outrage in a few steps;

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Hell nah man

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Unless you want everyone to do boating

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No

granite iron
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literally never cook again

lean canyon
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CPU running at constant 90C

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No

granite iron
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oh nah

scenic minnow
sinful herald
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Economists say no.

tight sphinx
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how would you even designate what is considered part of the surveillance area

sinful herald
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Some role-players agree. Again this isn't an economy breaking suggestion and it seems to be rather easy to implement.

granite iron
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i dont even care about the economy aspect

tight sphinx
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I get it from a realistic perspecctive but this is just making things more tedious than they have to be

granite iron
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its just annoying because it would make surveillance more tedious

tight sphinx
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it's just an extra factor of annoyance

granite iron
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yeah exactly

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theres literally no point (aeronautica already isnt realistic anyway)

graceful atlas
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do we play practically or aesthetically

scenic minnow
graceful atlas
granite iron
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or jobs in general tbh

scenic minnow
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I mean ffs
L2KBoat.mp4

granite iron
dull topaz
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I actually like this suggestion

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it makes sense

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though haters are gonna hate

dull topaz
zinc nacelle
zinc nacelle
agile wind
coral yew
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I do agree on this.

scenic minnow
fiery widget
sinful herald
tight sphinx
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depending on how big is the "surveillance area" is where you can't land to refuel, this really shouldn't change recon much besides highly encouraging a 2-stop recon run

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2-stop as in having 2 fuel stops

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Start -> outside surv area
stop 1
recon, then go back outside surv area
stop 2
return to base

tight sphinx
fiery widget
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yknow I bet one could circumvent this by using an alt to fly a tanker

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And use the F1

surreal swallow
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alts are banned

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i dont really know how someone could sneak that in without detection

fiery widget
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I can think of a few ways

surreal swallow
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it would be painfully obvious if someone was in a surveillance job and someone uses aar to refuel them without landing there

fiery widget
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Would it though?

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No, not at all

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Size of the map and minimap, the fact a select few players (overwhelming majority of which presumably being mods) are going to look for whatever pattern a main and alt will create when it comes to A2A refueling…

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Don’t forget some people run cross server traffic which further adds clutter, the fact A2A refueling can be done pretty much anywhere anyway..

surreal swallow
fiery widget
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Annnnd then there’s also the tiny pop’ servers filled with afk boats or airships mostly

fiery widget
surreal swallow
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they can view the history

fiery widget
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Ok, but what will it tell em?

graceful atlas
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what log are you talking abt

fiery widget
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Username A refueled username B?

surreal swallow
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they can see everything of players

tight sphinx
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you don't really need alts to do this
just get your buddy to fly a tanker and do A2A for literally the exact same effect without getting into trouble

surreal swallow
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their data in game

graceful atlas
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and do you have proof they use logs?

surreal swallow
fiery widget
surreal swallow
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wait okay i concede now

tight sphinx
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why risk getting banned for something so trivial

graceful atlas
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even mods cant verify the alt traded with the main

fiery widget
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Same reason people risk using alts to grind out parts and the like on, making grinds easier

graceful atlas
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the only thing that helps them is viewing their friends list

surreal swallow
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that is confirmed

tight sphinx
fiery widget
surreal swallow
graceful atlas
fiery widget
surreal swallow
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one example i thought of was boating

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what if your main account and your alt was boating

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youll get x2 money

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and wp

fiery widget
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Assuming the context is yes, you cannot refuel at airports in (x) radius around the surveyed area, using an alt or having a friend fly a tanker for you will actually NOT be more tedious

surreal swallow
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what if an airport is on the edge of the circle

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eg: maybe one runway is in the cirlce but another is outside

graceful atlas
surreal swallow
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or like the terminal is inside but the runway is outside

fiery widget
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Probably will be unable to fuel there, simple as

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Makes coding things a lot simpler, considering the games bloat as is I’d assume the devs would go about the simplest route of just “if (x) touches circle, disable fueling for (y)”

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And because of that scenario that’d be more incentive for players to either start doing in air refuels with friends or alts

tight sphinx
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like when you take a job there's a whole orange marker

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just use that location

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if it's within the x radius then no you can't refuel

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and honestly I don't see this being a problem unless the X radius is like 30nm or above

graceful atlas
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have you done a surveillance where it just drags you to the middle of nowhere?

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weather recon does that

sinful herald
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I believe it is simpler to include a waypoint at an arbitrary point along the way that would activate a new objective to stay above a certain altitude.

vital current
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We're talking about realism in a game where theres planes that doesn't even exist

vital current
graceful atlas
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if you hit the service ceiling its over

granite iron
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imagine failing the mission after spending 30 minutes because you accidentally hit service ceiling

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no fucking thanks

surreal swallow
granite iron
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or if you accidentally put your nose down at surv waypoint alt

sinful herald
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You're assuming a scenario in which the minimum altitude margin is incredibly tight. Assuming you can recover from a stall before you reach 1-2k feet of altitude you should be fine.

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I find this entire situation blown out of proportion by the community, I expected push back either way. I believe that this is an objectively balanced suggestion. People are just scared when they think something will completely change how they play.

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You had to refuel at least once anyways. This would only change where you have to refuel.

tight sphinx
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which does make Recon quite a bit less effective

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especially when Recon is far from the best grinding method

austere thorn
sinful herald
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Seeing that there is immense push back from the community on this I will be closing the post as the majority of the messages have not been very productive or open-minded from a critical perspective and I think it is safe to assume any posts from here on out will only continue to chastise me for my "terrible" suggestion.

agile wind
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genius!

scenic minnow
zinc nacelle
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i mean

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now that i think about it

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if you really feel like imposing operation ceiling/floors and refueling stops on yourself, you can always just

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do that