Augustus Atoll Runway Length Increase

[sudden wigeon]

aswell remove the annoing trees at the end of the runways

[dark heron]

Also yes

Will send a proper idea proposal later

[woeful dove]

skill issue

[dark heron]

Yoo, we've got a super reaction, loool

[brittle torrent]

demolishing houses for profit

my beloed

[dark heron]

Yeah well, if that is the problem, you've got two empty islands around and also plenty of it on the airport island

[brittle torrent]

plenty of what

[dark heron]

My bad, space*

[brittle torrent]

where sire

you want people to live parallel to the runway?

[woeful dove]

kai tak:

[dark heron]

What about these empty spaces

If you are sooo desperate about keeping the houses..

[brittle torrent]

relocationg people is harder than you think

also i did manage to land an a340 there, asiana 214 style

[dark heron]

I've seen multiple people do it, but the idea is how to make it suitable for realistic operations..

You either extend the runway... or remove the misleading jets on the AI stands and lower the airport's capacity.

[sudden wigeon]

yeah

[floral basalt]

apparently the spawns weren't configured properly

the dev who configured the spawn didn't know the E190 didn't quite have the ability to decelerate fast enough

[brittle torrent]

let me try the e190

ive landed the a321 there

used only half the runway

[dark heron]

Even the ERJ140 doesn't have it..

Which just spawned it

[sudden wigeon]

meanwhile the crj-200 durring take off it uses the full runway

[dark heron]

I'll send my idea proposal in a few minutes, let me make a proper illustration and a few arguments as to why this should be considered

[delicate flame]

ive seen a 737 parked there once

[river hull]

[gritty phoenix]

i agree with this but it should only be elongated slightly

[sudden wigeon]

I mean just a lil bit

[dark heron]

Arguments, please.

[fading salmon]

A stall speed limit might be better suited

[dark heron]

I am currently making a sample idea of how the runway can be slightly elongated

And also sending in the full proposal anytime soon

[fading salmon]

Though that will need a remodel of part of the island, changing a number is easier

But if someone's willing to do it then why not

[dark heron]

That shouldn't include any Blender knowledge, so I am up for it tbh

If only I could actually help redesign it slightly (not happening lolo)

I've already got the idea and plan

[river hull]

I dont like this suggestion

[dark heron]

Very reasonable.

[fading salmon]

By "someone" I mean dev-side

[dark heron]

I know, that is why I mentioned that it won't be happening

[gritty phoenix]

true

[sudden wigeon]

Fair enough

[dark heron]

Does anyone need the proposal I just wrote

Good question

[dark heron]

The Saab 2000 and ERJ140 don't have much of a difference in stall speed, it is more about the brake and reverse strength.. that is why the better solution to me would be just extending the runway by a little.. as dumb as it sounds

Also I shall probably stop pinging you for each reply, sorry about that.

I've been wondering about that lately, how exactly do people become contribitors? Do they make (or help making) aircrafts and airports?

Anyway, I am sending what could be counted as a small extension, but given your mixed opinions about it, devs probably won't be interested in doing an island overhaul.

It is entirely up to the devs and community, though - I just decided to bring it up, because it bothered me quite a bit.

[sudden wigeon]

I like it

[dark heron]

Yeah, it is not a lot, but enough to let some bigger than the SF34 operate at NTAA

While also keeping the original shape and some of the houses

[sudden wigeon]

And removing the annoying trees

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-awesome-great-terrific-ryan-reynolds-gif-17243240

[dark heron]

So glad to hear someone shares the same opinion as me, hahah..

[crystal tinsel]

the yes

[dark heron]

i take that as a

Wait what did I do

Why did the main message disappear

For the newcomers:

Augustus Atoll (NTAA) Airport Runway Extension Proposal.

Augustus Atoll is a quiet, yet touristy place, located in the middle of nowhere. However, its runway is too short to accomodate bigger aircraft, at times even the small ones struggle to stop or lift off in time. Having said that, here is my runway extension proposal and why it should be considered:

1. Runway extension

1.1. NTAA's airport runway should be longer, in order to accomodate bigger turboprop and the smaller regional jets, often having presence on the AI stands. By doing so, houses would have to be demolished or moved, but the airport island and the surrounding empty ones offer plenty of space for doing so, if it is insisted on keeping them. So me and (a part of?) the community would like to bring this up for consideration.

1.2. Why?
a) The runway is very short by default. Its lenght is comparable to airfields.
b) Its capacity is overexaggerated with the current airport size.
c) The majority of aircrafts, spawned at AI stands (CRJ1000, E190 and etc.) have no capabilities to commence safe operations at the airport.
d) If the airport is meant to be used only by turboprop traffic, then remove the misleading aircrafts at the AI stands or reduce its capacity/lower its stall speed requirements.
f) Bigger runway = bigger planes = more tourists = more profit
e) The airport's capacity is misleading (as well as the already mentioned AI spawned aircraft.

2. Image
Below you can find an example image of the minimum required extension, in order to have bigger aircraft capacity and a wider range of operating aircraft.

[visual ruin]

Capacity is based on the size of the terminal not the size of the runway

Take it from the devs, not me

But the AI spawned aircraft not being able to operate safely definitely justifies an extension

If not simply extending with a pier into the ocean off to the right of the above image

In a similar fashion to Pembroke

[warm zenith]

@viscid shale read if you will

[proper urchin]

Simple argument: it's a fucking small airport and it is supposed to be like that

Not even designed to handle e jets

[plush swan]

raise stall speed and/or capacity limit

[visual ruin]

that would achieve the opposite of what the suggestion intends

[plush swan]

well i mean

tbf i can't even see the original suggestion

[viscid shale]

ok so in makin the airport i:
increased rwy length
lowered cap
lowered stall cap (lower means slower)

bigger and faster planes were able to take jobs to the previous model which was even smaller and nobody rly complained

[thick trail]

Yeah sorry I don't agree with increasing the length of the runway,

It's meant to be a small airport, I don't think people should be advocating for big aircraft to operate in a small regional airport.

[visual ruin]

lowered stall cap again...

shit

[visual ruin]

Stall cap is still 111 knots

Although it’s pretty easy to land a plane of that capacity at Augustus

[gritty phoenix]

that still does feel quite high tbh

[visual ruin]

Yea

[gritty phoenix]

i was barely able to take off in my a319

which stalls at 108 knots

[visual ruin]

Lowering it any further would straight up make the airport not worth visiting for jobs

[gritty phoenix]

yeah but its not really an airport intended for jobs anyway lol

[visual ruin]

G.7500 which is at the stall cap
lands with a good bit to spare

[gritty phoenix]

now try taking off

[visual ruin]

Yea that’s a bit more challenging

[gritty phoenix]

youre probably gonna overrun the runway

[visual ruin]

Older aircraft really need acceleration buffs

some are actual slugs

[gritty phoenix]

fr

i dont mind a slower albeit more realistic takeoff but still

[oblique steppe]

whar

the runway already did get extended

[crystal tinsel]

Even more

[viscid shale]

i had but i suppose i forgot to actually run it thru ☠️

[frozen shell]

it was shorter in the past plus it’s mostly a GA / LA airport

737-200 will operate in and out of there without issues

[gritty phoenix]

true

[visual ruin]

Fair enough

Reckon the problem is more or less with some older planes (G.7500 included) being absolute snails in the acceleration department

[visual ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[dark heron]

Now try ERJ140, the smallest jet that is spawned at AI stands and has a stall speed of 109.

[thick stream]

Dank | Shrugbot Suggester 🐊 is AFK: this cat looks at people who stayed up too late last night - 18 minutes ago

[ornate canopy]

never change my beloved short augustus runway 💔

[sudden wigeon]

i nearly took off crj-200 whit full runway and hit the trees

[ornate canopy]

slight inconvenience

[sudden wigeon]

did i mention it was at full power

[ornate canopy]

[sudden wigeon]

-# not good thing

anyway

[warm zenith]

tbf i’ve landed and taken off at aug with a 737 max 8

with some room to spare

so maybe skill issue

[brittle torrent]

i need to try more augustus tomfoolery

tomfoolery airlines new route tomfoolery-augustus yojana

what aircraft should i try taking off and landing from augustus

[dark heron]

Well

If the majority is for keep it as it is

Then keep it

[dark heron]

Who said 'big aircraft'..

And by bigger aircraft I do not mean A340s and 777s..

I mean ERJ140s and CRJ200s

Regional jets

[dark heron]

Both of them either must get a slight buff of their performance, or have the runway extended by a little, so they could operate there

OR, if the majority wants to keep the airport as it is right now, then raise the stall speed requirements even more... and make it so only turboprops can "take jobs" (who are capable of operating there - again, not all of them can make it)

[sudden wigeon]

[dark heron]

But the runway length is comparable to an airfield

[dark heron]

Active supporter :D

Btw, now looking at the outdated Fandom abt NTAA - mentions tourism boom, so I don't know how you'll fly all the tourists in and out in PC12s

Or any other GAs

And you've got a "big" terminal for that small airport after all

[brittle torrent]

read the part

"native settlers died, which allowed runway to be built"

the airport came BEFORE the town

It is unknown what happened to the native population since, as they had remained uncontacted since their initial discovery. Evidence suggests they either relocated or perished due to natural or external causes. Nevertheless, the lack of permanent settlers enabled a runway to be built on the island in the 1950s. Initially, it was for military purposes, serving as a stopover point to reach other Atolls designated for nuclear testing.

[dark heron]

Well, what about that?

Came before the town as a military stopover

But when the nuclear program was abolished, the people started to inhabit the atoll

[brittle torrent]

no bombers can land there tho

the runway mustve had to be shortened

[dark heron]

Well

[dark heron]

It is all up to the devs then

[dark heron]

So I guess this is denied for now, right?

[gritty phoenix]

probably

[frozen shell]

Augustus has literally always been this short. I flew out of the original airport around 300-400 times. Trust me, it’s just a matter of skill.

[vague helm]

real

[dark heron]

It is also a matter of aircraft performance, though.

[frozen shell]

yes and no

[vague helm]

imo I think the game needs more short difficult runways for big planes, I love the challenge

[frozen shell]

Generally if it can take jobs there, it’s possible to land and take off

[dark heron]

You can't land a CRJ1000 there, yet it still has presence on AI stands

You can't take off either.

[frozen shell]

okay so then report that as a bug

it’s a tiny airport

It’s supposed to be a tiny airport

don’t change an airport because you’re trying to use it improperly

[gritty phoenix]

fr

[dark heron]

I actually am using it properly. The capacity allows bigger planes, which by default should be able to land there (in that case).

[frozen shell]

Quick question, can you land a 737-200 at Augustus?

[dark heron]

I have not tried that.

[frozen shell]

I have. You can

The runway is slightly longer than it used to be.

[dark heron]

As you say, I do not deny any statements.

Strange how the 737-200 is better performance-wise, compared to the smaller jets in-game. IRL the ERJ-140 and 737-200 have similar (if not almost the same) performance when considering take off distance.

[visual ruin]

That’s a newer aircraft with better acceleration

[river hull]

well yeah it has a powerful engine

and the erj and crj are powered by vacuum cleaners and hair dryers

[dark heron]

Good point

[visual ruin]

Thrust to weight on the 737 Max 8 is 0.1609 at MTOW

For G650ER it’s 0.163 at MTOW, but the 737 MAX out accelerates the G650ER by a mile ingame

As time has gone on in aero, planes have slowly been getting faster and faster in acceleration, culminating in the 2022 Overture

Many older aircraft are total slugs compared to contemporaries

Global 7500 has even higher thrust/weight at MTOW

and it’s even slower than the G650ER in acceleration ingame iirc

[dark heron]

True

[alpine lotus]

Why cant we just extend the beach

Instead of extending the runway inland

Why dont we extend the island

[sudden wigeon]

well its the funny except there arent any tourists

-# add uncolideable tourist on that side

[topaz fox]

I'm just thinking about this

There is this funny place in real life called rarotonga

The terminal is small af

But the runway can land 777-300s and 787-9s

[sudden wigeon]

tf?

[topaz fox]

I'm not lying

I've been there

On a 787

[sudden wigeon]

no like where

[topaz fox]

Rarotonga

Cook islands

[sudden wigeon]

oh

anyway

[dark heron]

Also a good idea

[dark heron]

Actually

Then we get back to "overhaul the island"

As our fellow developers or someone said^^

I think extending it inland does not qualify as "overhauling"

But adding a whole beach (long enough to make the runway usable for unrealistically low-performance regional airlines) is quite a lot of terraforming

Well again

All up to the devs and if someone has interest in doing us, the community, a favor

[river hull]

why dont we just make the old planes accelerate better

[dark heron]

Exactly what I was thinking, but some old ones have good acceleration

Take the Saab

[visual ruin]

I’ve already made a notepad doc with every fighter in the game ranked in acceleration and would happily do the same for everything else

[visual ruin]

I’ve got a prime example of how much acceleration has increased over the years

The Saab SK60B reaches 300 knots nearly 2 seconds faster than the BAC TSR-2

the Buckeye is barely a second behind the TSR-2

😭

[viscid shale]

Yea no

[dark heron]

Yes, island doesn't need to be expanded at all in my opinion. I think the runway needs to be made just a little longer (no matter inland or by making a pier south of the existing runway), it cannot accomodate the regional traffic I've been seeing at stands (but the runway still allows for some bigger jets to be landed, I have absolutely no idea why. Probably aircraft performance).

[viscid shale]

Na

[dark heron]

Why na...

[visual ruin]

[viscid shale]

Model me a new runway and move the neighborhood it would destroy and maybe I’ll consider it

[dark heron]

How should I do that?

[brittle torrent]

blender

[visual ruin]

[river hull]

https://www.airportgurus.com/en/airport-construction/

[dark heron]

No, I mean how should I do that in-game, I know how airports are built.

[frozen shell]

the entire point of the airport is to be hard as hell to land at with big planes

stop trying to destroy the uniqueness of the airport because you’re personally incapable of landing a big plane there

if you wanna fly there with a big plane, learn to minmax stall speeds or use something smaller

[frozen shell]

There is no way for a player to edit the physical map in game

[brittle torrent]

ryanair

[visual ruin]

This is true and agreeable

But what isnt is stallcapping airports that are easy to land at

[vague helm]

If they want a real way to cap small airports, give the trees collisions

[viscid shale]

Do what all devs do and just think it into being

We all just go “airport” and an airport appears fully ready for us to just place down on the map

[thick trail]

Okay I put all my thought on airport... did PJIA get added?

[dark heron]

If the ERJ140 is a big plane...

[thick trail]

It is for the size of the airport

[dark heron]

Seems like I've caused a lot of chaos and hassle here, post may be locked. Apologies to all mods and developers for being a naughty player and taking your time for things I should have understood "by default".

[dark heron]

What do you mean exactly?

[thick trail]

As in, the runway is probably a bit too short to handle larger regional jets.

[dark heron]

Exactly.

[thick trail]

So of course the aircraft that can't land there would be too big

[dark heron]

But are shown at AI stands.

[thick trail]

It may just be a mistake as one of the devs said earlier.

[dark heron]

Alright, I see.

[viscid shale]

can u get me a picture of a plane wit more capacity than an e145 spawning at an AI stand?

i have taken off/landed e175s there with no issue and they have enough capacity to take jobs to the airport and spawn there

so other than e175 too

[floral basalt]

i believe E190s still spawn there

[viscid shale]

true

that might be in the corporate spawn cuz idk any lore airline that operates e190s to augustus

and those spawns will be redone in the coming month

e190 is one of those that has enough capacity to spawn there as AI but too high of a stall speed to take jobs there

so nothing i can do about that one without excluding other aircraft that should be spawning there

as it's detirmined by capacity

even so, e190 is borderline and could probably still operate there as its stall speed is abt 4 knots over the cap

[alpine lotus]

Dont think so

Because again

It physically can’t land there

[viscid shale]

um

you might have to get better at the game

I BET you 100 THOUSAND WP i can land a e190 there

[brittle torrent]

i bet you 200 thousand wp that i can land an a321 there/j

[plush swan]

i bet you -5 million WP that i can land the an-225 there

[dark heron]

Does that mean enabling reverse thrust mid-air and slamming it into the ground at the runway threshold?

Btw the E190 is a fairly new (updated) aircraft, so it could have enough performance. The real question is if you can managr to land there and then takeoff.

The only jet suitable of operating there so far is the BAe 146-100

[plush swan]

ima try in my E190

[plush swan]

very hard landing, but I managed it

[plush swan]

gonna try this

[brittle torrent]

you know how i know this works?

because ive fucking done it

i have an a321 parked there that i can land

[plush swan]

damn nice

ima try tho

-200 or neo btw?

[dark heron]

Newer and updated aircraft have better performance^

[plush swan]

A321neo, with adv customisation to reduce stall speed

[brittle torrent]

i did the classic

[plush swan]

-200 (-100, technically) was even easier

[brittle torrent]

ima try some larger narrowbodies

ill probably do the 757

tbh

and then ill try e195-e2 prob

[plush swan]

they need a way to sort database by stall speed

so i can find a widebody with a really low stall speed

[brittle torrent]

you use rw 36 rgiht

[plush swan]

yes

[brittle torrent]

okay

ive found

757s can indeed land here

however i did pull an asiana 214 on approach

the a321 has a higher stall speed than this

therefore we can probably assume that the limit is 135

[brittle torrent]

this would mean that the a330-200 (stall speed 135) and the a330-200f (also 135), k200 (135), a330-900neo (134), 767-200er (132), k500 (130), a300/a300f (132), 787-8 (128), a310/a310f (128) can land here as widebodies

ill try the 757-300 (stall speed 139)

[plush swan]

i'll try with the 767-200ER

[brittle torrent]

what server

[plush swan]

FD2

[brittle torrent]

augustus atoll is about to get cooked

side note: 777-9 and a340-600 can not takeoff from there, you overrun

so thats like a limit

havent tried landing though

[plush swan]

not quite

stayed within the fence but went off the runway

[brittle torrent]

maybe the cap is narrowbodies

im coming now

another thing that has to be considered is taking off

because the takeoff roll usually takes longer than the landing

ok the 757-300 is a tragedy

[dark heron]

Okay, so,

I am talking about the regional jets

Some of them haven't been updated in a while and have worse performance

[river hull]

shouldnt the suggestion be about improving their performance then

[dark heron]

Because aircraft usually get their performance buffs and statistics changes when remodelled (updated).

[dark heron]

ERJ-140 struggles

I did not slam it, but touched down literally at the runway threshold marking

[visual ruin]

Stall cap adjustment to 120 when

or like 115 idk

It was 111 but you said it got changed right

[viscid shale]

ok so if your issue is with the aircrafts performance suggest that instead

[alpine lotus]

That doesn’t change anything, we’d just get a dm from lore staff if we try get an e190 to spawn as ai at augustus

[viscid shale]

na i wanted to lower it but i forgot to actually put it yk

[alpine lotus]

Sure you could probably land it but how much runway would be left

How many go arounds would need to be made

If things didnt line up

[viscid shale]

again, sort of the point of the entire airport

its meant to be hard to land at

"oops i made a hard to land at airport" like no i intentionally only lengthened it by like 200 ft

[alpine lotus]

Which is why lorewise it doesn’t work for the e190

[viscid shale]

yea i dont make airports with airline lore in mind sorry man

looks like you gotta pull your pants up and deal with it for now

[alpine lotus]

We have been for a while

[viscid shale]

a whole like 3 weeks

[alpine lotus]

Which is why no lore airline flies the e190 to augustus

[viscid shale]

ok

augustus wont sink into the ocean in the absence of an e190

[alpine lotus]

We’re still talking about that ai e190 spawn right

[viscid shale]

its meant for e175 max anyways, e190 spawning at non-lore spawn is just a side effect that i cant get rid of without excluding planes that should be there like the bae 146-100

so we're gonna strap on our big boy boots and deal with it until a corporate lore airline takes those spawns

which im making one its in the oven ong

[alpine lotus]

Or we can just remove that spawn since again lore management would strike down any idea of using an e190 to augustus

[viscid shale]

yea lemme go remove a spawn from my airport just because someone would be mad at an e190 spawning there

[visual ruin]

Global 7500 lands with about 15% left

that was the plane at the stall cap

[alpine lotus]

Talking about the e190 here

[visual ruin]

Ah

Fair

e190 would surely overrun

[viscid shale]

ALRIGHT i did research and yea there are actually 3 airlines that i know of that operate e190s and have a possibility of having them spawn there

didnt know you were talking about a lore spawn yo my bad g

[visual ruin]

IMO it’s fine as is but you ofc have the last judgement call

[viscid shale]

ima look into translating stall cap into lore spawns too

[dark heron]

Yeah, well, the ERJ140 with its stall speed of 107 still can't make it

Either skill issue or performance issue

[dark heron]

^ Regarding Kjizo's question about suggesting performance buffs instead of airport changes

[viscid shale]

on landing?

[dark heron]

^

[viscid shale]

ive floated like a quarter of the runway and still stuck it before man

[dark heron]

With the 140?

Nah, it probably is a huge skill issue of mine then

[viscid shale]

do you lag usually?

when im lagging it takes longer to do everything including stop

[dark heron]

Yet I still land with stall speed, let the nose gear literally slam into the runway and use the runway threshold as my aiming point.

[dark heron]

No.

Solid ~60 fps, I've got decent PC specs and a good wifi connection.

[viscid shale]

sometimes its just the server being stressed and theres nothing you can do about it

[dark heron]

Possible

[viscid shale]

for example we didnt add any new scenery for like a year-ish until roblox recently improved their servers cuz they just couldnt handle more

[dark heron]

Understandable

[viscid shale]

and they still get pretty high loads when the servers full for example

[dark heron]

I had it tested in a server with fewer people, same result. It's probably me not doing something as it should be

And with that proposal what I wanted is just extending the runway a little to be suitable for the regional jets. I really like the charm of the airport, its lore and etc. and I'd love to keep it this way

Just enough so the ERJ140s and CRJ200s could operate there as intended

But now that I know that everything is modelled in Blender, I am sorry for taking your time

Thought that at least the houses and clutter assets were CSG

But if the airport was never meant to be for such "big" regional aircraft, then I am fine with it.

[viscid shale]

yea those are pretty moveable i just rly like the gated community thats right there, most airport assets are modeled in blender

and tbh the erj family might be too underpowered rn but im remodeling them rn anyways so itll get figured out eventually

[dark heron]

Runways used to be CSG some time ago, easier to be edited tbh

[viscid shale]

a WHILE ago

they actually were mesh as early as like 2022

[dark heron]

Augustus had the old CSG runway before its update.

[viscid shale]

modular pieces but each one a mesh

[viscid shale]

^

[dark heron]

Oh.

One question about that

Will you be keeping the standard livery UVs or you'll be introducing the advanced ones, where it has to be split to 3?

[viscid shale]

uhh idk gen2 UVs are kinda set to go away once roblox improves their textures, plus theyre harder for the user and like 5x harder for the dev lol

but probably

im rly rly hoping by some miracle they do fix their textures before im done with it

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

https://tenor.com/view/lord-save-us-guy-praying-in-car-kpoptwt-stantwt-donald-trump-save-us-gif-15614229185854802474

[dark heron]

I see.

Thank you for your patience and also for taking the time to discuss these things with us

Also glad to hear that we're expecting an ERJ family remodel anytime soon.

[alpine lotus]

As someone who originally didn’t like using gen 2s

What???

I cant say anything for the devs but for the user experience its just confusing

Not hard

For the average user its just that

Confusing at first

Second nature when they get used to it

[thick trail]

It's more or less lore spawn is based on what can realistically operate on the airport

I think if we find an airport in Aero that is a similar size to Augustus, and is also based on an IRL airport, we can basically use the IRL airport's information to figure out what can actually land in Augustus.

[viscid shale]

Um

I set the spawns

I can say with confidence that it’s based on capacity of the plane and not what operates there

We choose capacity and we choose airlines

And that’s all we can directly control

Meaning if a gate is set to a capacity of 32 to allow for a bae 146-100, but an airline that operates an e190 is selected for that gate as well, an e190 has a possibility of spawning

There’s actually something in lore resources thread or smth about it

[visual ruin]

Curious as to what spawns at Baraku then

80 cap 110 stall lmfao

[viscid shale]

I should say that’s for lore spawns

[visual ruin]

Ah

So gates have their own capacity?

Like for spawns

Or is it based on overall cap

[viscid shale]

Yea it varies based on gate

[visual ruin]

Neat

[ornate canopy]

this suggestion is bad

[dark heron]

Personal opinion

[crystal tinsel]

We need longer runway

How do you expect these resorts to make money off of tourists

[thick trail]

By cruise ships...

[crystal tinsel]

Don't they drop off passengers for the day

To explore the island

[brittle torrent]

which

there are 3

not connected

technically 4 islands but 2 of them are bridge

[crystal tinsel]

The one with the port

[thick trail]

Yeah that's still bringing the money...

[crystal tinsel]

How

[crystal tinsel]

Who the fuck is booking a room at the resort for 7 hours

[dark heron]

Fair enough

Money is only coming from tourist tax [if applicable] and ship parking & services.