Bombardier Global 6000

[jolly spindle]

The Bombardier Global 6000 is a long-range business jet known for its impressive performance, luxurious cabin, and advanced technology. Here are some key features and specifications:

• Range: Approximately 6,000 nautical miles (11,112 kilometers), allowing for non-stop transcontinental flights.
  can be about 100+ nm in aero
• Cabin: Offers a spacious cabin with a typical configuration accommodating 8 to 19 passengers. The interior can be customized with high-quality materials and various layouts, including a full galley and dedicated sleeping areas.
• Speed: Maximum cruise speed of Mach 0.89, making it one of the faster options in its class.
• Technology: Equipped with the Bombardier Vision Flight Deck, featuring advanced avionics and enhanced situational awareness systems.

-Length: 99 ft 5 in (30.34 m)

• Wingspan: 94 ft 0 in (28.65 m)
• Height: 25 ft 8 in (7.82 m)
• Maximum Takeoff Weight: 105,000 lbs (47,627 kg)
• Engines: Powered by two Rolls-Royce BR710 engines, providing reliable performance and efficiency.

[azure pike]

i found blueprints

[cerulean token]

We already have the global 7500

Which is just a better version

With similar if not same stats

[azure pike]

extreme dissapointment from such an undetailed suggestion

[livid gazelle]

We have the G650 and G700 though

so the 7500 could easily become convertible

[cerulean token]

????

Why?

the G650 and G700 dont have annything to do with the 7500

[livid gazelle]

It's practically the same situation

[cerulean token]

????

[livid gazelle]

The G650 is a G700 but slightly worse

[cerulean token]

I dont get your point

[cerulean token]

Ohhh

Ok

[livid gazelle]

the 6000 is a 7500 but slightly worse

[cerulean token]

Well ig so

Just that the stats are so similar

And the design

[livid gazelle]

so make the 7500 convertible from the 6000 like the 700 is convertible from the 650

[cerulean token]

Practically identical

[livid gazelle]

But they make different variants of airliners

so business jets won't hurt

Especially with how abandoned they are in terms of remodels

[jolly spindle]

this would potentially be the first long fuselage private jet with advanced livery

[jolly spindle]

valid

especially because the 7500 is practically WP printer

so it should be harder to get

[lyric cradle]

Does the g650 and 700 not have liveries

Citation X too

Oh wait long fuselagr

Um

Citation II?

[heady timber]

lucky getting a life again after finishing the g700:

there was a global family/7500 rework but the dev has a life

so yeah maybe in like 2 years

[livid gazelle]

Hire another dev then

Can't just abandon a whole section of aviation

[deft plover]

Nah we can

We don't "hire" people based on what aviation sectors they prefer to model

But rather if they're good and consistent

If there's no such modeler working on business jets then RIP

[lyric cradle]

kjizo is carrying the ga sector rn

[livid gazelle]

And this is why people get so bored of this game, large once a year updates over smaller frequent updates, far too much military stuff compared to anything else and a few other points I will not make here

[lyric cradle]

im pretty sure people prefer more larger longer updates than frequent ones

[dusk violet]

Completely agree, when the game had smaller frequent updates, it brought activity and excitement to the game but due to them now being months apart, people get bored and not overall interested anymore

I’ve met many people who have left due to lack of interest now

[potent quest]

Theres a whole military game out there called Neo-Warfare X which has combat mechanics, why be so insistent on adding fighter jets to a game that has null of these combat mechanics when theres a whole game by hyperant dedicated to it?

it surely isnt that hard to direct people to that game right? I mean honestly the lack of interesting things like pax/cargo airliners and business jets is slowly killing off the point of the game, the fighter jets literally have no use other than surveillance and the one bombing run mission at Norman, and just aesthetics.

[dusk violet]

Same for boating, it’s completely useless when there’s no jobs + it’s meant to be a flying game so why put your main focus on boats that no one will use. It just seems your intentions for what people want are all wrong, many many people don’t want fighters and boats

[potent quest]

tbf, boating has a point of being included, as "nautica" is to do with boating

[dry heart]

In any case we need more care for the civilian sector ong

Some models are long overdue for a remodel

[dusk violet]

Fr, 737 originals have still be left to rot

How long has it been since the 737-200/-300 got a remodel? Nearly 4 years?

Freighters has been completely scrapped at this point for the a320 family

[dry heart]

DC-8

[dusk violet]

Airlines have been left to die with no updates to it like they planned

Avalon part 2 still waiting after nearly 2 years

[potent quest]

Besides what titanium said doesnt give me hope at all, its such a horrible take.

[livid gazelle]

DC-8, DC-9 and many many more

[potent quest]

At this point if you can ditch things, jsut ditch everything commercial and make it a military game.

Make it a second neo warfare x because clearly thats what most people want!

[dry heart]

How to kill a game in one simple step (you won't believe what the last one is!)

[deft plover]

Nobody on the team is forced to work on a particular project (as we're all volunteers), and if there's no good modelers out there willing to make these aircraft then that's that. Sorry if I came off as rude but it's the truth.

If someone told me in 2021 that Aero would have over 700 vehicles and that wasn't enough for the community, I wouldn't believe

[potent quest]

Its not about quantity of vehicles, its about the category.

It doesnt matter if aero has 700 vehicles

It matters if those vehicles fit Aero, and if theres more that dont fit than ones that work well, then theres clearly an issue, fighter jets dont count as acft that could fit aero, especially when theres so much military shit, that commercial is starting to become bleak, at the present moment, seems to be only Rice who works on commercial and too many people working on military

Yeah fair enough you may not want to work on commercial, but if the community demands it, then it doesnt hurt to give into the community,

[deft plover]

Community demands, at best, can change someone's motivation to work on it

[potent quest]

If the community wants it, it should be atleast placed up further on the priority list, not left behind with zero transparency on whats going on, for example, DC8, we still have no clue whats going on with that, take this in, all of this military stuff isnt gonna cater to hmm idk, the average player who likes airliners and shit and isnt really arsed about military, which is quite alot of casual aero players from what I can tell.

Like i said, fairs if you dont want to work on commercial, but the take you said that initiated this discussion? Was plainly horrible. No business jets shouldn’t be abandoned, because they are quite significant in the aviation industry. So maybe do review your take because not many people are happy with it.

[livid gazelle]

Why can't you hire someone who works on commercial stuff if you don't want to though? Not everyone who works on commercial aircraft is bad at modelling

[potent quest]

You should be motivated not by what you need, but by the fact by giving the demand supply, in this case, more business jets, etc., you stay in touch with the community, and that opens up the community more and urges new people to join because they might think “oh the devs do listen, hm, i might aswell play the game and see what its like”

[deft plover]

Hiring assumes there's a payment

let's look for quality modelers who want to give up their time to make us free stuff

[livid gazelle]

Well hiring is just the general term I'm using here, but whatever your equivalent is

[livid gazelle]

Well if people will do it for fighters at least someone will do it for commercial aircraft

[deft plover]

If you know someone who makes good models of that type, tell them to post in #public-creations , we've had many staff get hired from there

[potent quest]

I’ve seen Trilox921 make some good models, he’s right there in public creations maybe you may aswell look into him, just a thought.

[deft plover]

You can literally ask him yourself

if he wants to make the private jets

[potent quest]

Not my job sorry, I’m just a player.

[livid gazelle]

Sure but I shouldn't be the one bringing in your developers. If you guys are able to acknowledge the severe lack of commercial aircraft/business jets then you could easily try posting announcements regarding your needs for people who would give up their time to model for the game because there could easily be many people who don't even know about #public-creations

[potent quest]

Your choice, like I said just a thought

[deft plover]

I have nothing else to add to this then, all I needed to say is up the chat

If you think this is the main defining quality of Aero then you're free to look for another game

[livid gazelle]

But what I don't understand is why the game shows off the commercial aircraft in trailers etc if there's going to be very few of them made

May as well just be a fully military focused game

[deft plover]

As if Aero only has a few commercial ones...?

[livid gazelle]

In comparison to military aircraft, the numbers are significantly lower

Especially for updated models and UVs

[deft plover]

I'd say you're focusing too much on percentage and not raw numbers

[livid gazelle]

Alright but if I had a drink that was 70% water and 30% orange juice, it will taste more like water because there's a significantly higher amount of water. If aeronautica has 70% military vehicles and 30% commercial aircraft, it will seem a lot more like a military game than a commercial based game, which the trailers paint the game as

[dry heart]

not really a fair comparision (i know) but uh, same type of devs, no pay, all volunteers
and yet...
-# massive props to trainways

[deft plover]

They're specifically asking for ones that are willing to model business jets

We don't do specifics like that

Never have

[potent quest]

We arent really asking for private jets atm

[livid gazelle]

Not just business jets, but commercial aircraft in general

[potent quest]

We’re just asking for commercial craft.

[deft plover]

I mean this all came from this

[livid gazelle]

Maybe that's something to look into then

[livid gazelle]

Yes however the term commercial aircraft has been mentioned on many occasions since that

[potent quest]

Yes, which then started because your take was viewed down upon

[deft plover]

It doesn't work for Aero, because we don't get paid for it

We take what's available

[livid gazelle]

Pay isn't relevant to this, there are people willing to do it if you search far enough

But you can't just expect people to magically appear in #public-creations

There are definitely a few in this server who have no idea what that is

[dry heart]

what you guys are doing atm
is trying to devlope Neo, in Aeronautica (minus the pvp)

[deft plover]

We're not trying to do anything

There's no end goal

Let's say we hired Trilox who's remodeling SSTs

what if he then chooses to make military? Nobody's going to stop him

[dry heart]

and that's exactly how you kill a game

[livid gazelle]

Then hire someone else

[deft plover]

Lmao

[potent quest]

Or you can open up contributions and make a ping.

[deft plover]

If yall think Aero is going to die because there's more military than commercial...

I'm sorry for you

[livid gazelle]

If they aren't going to make the aircraft they signed up to make then they aren't needed

[deft plover]

Just stop playing if you want

[dry heart]

it's like making french food in a chinese restaurant

[livid gazelle]

I don't think aeronautica is going to die, but I do think representing it as a commercial aircraft game isn't right anymore as it is far more military based

[deft plover]

Nah it's more like having 3 mcdonalds in a mall

[potent quest]

Ping people in #server-announcements or whatnot and say “Hey, we’re accepting contributions, open tickets or wtv and show us your models and we might bring you on the dev team”, it’d work alot better

Hell you might get more new devs

From what I can tell so many devs have left aero at some point in the past year (2024-now)

[livid gazelle]

And then what it would do is leave a gap in Roblox for the commercial aircraft community which could easily be taken up by another game if someone was to create one

[potent quest]

Its not a bad idea at all if you ask me, you can fill in for those gaps then.

[deft plover]

Seems like we can't convince eachother

I have to sleep it's 1:36 AM

[dry heart]

oh so what you are saying is ''yes this is our game and half the community can go figure''
ok, sure

[livid gazelle]

It's 1:36 am for us all

[potent quest]

Meh same

T’was a good discussion in the end, glad we didnt get hostile.

[deft plover]

Good night folks

[livid gazelle]

Just please, take some notes

[dry heart]

although if it comes to remodelling older models should get priority fr

[potent quest]

But would like for some of these things to be passed around and considered, this game has lots of potential, I hate to see it be like this.

Thats my part, ciao and goodnight.

[dry heart]

LIKE LOOK AT THIS SHIT LMAO

[cinder jackal]

me me i will!!!!!!!!!!!!! i LOVE business jets!!!!!

also i took over like the majority of lucky's old todo list

[cinder jackal]

will say, hard to jus hire devs on a whim based on what they model due to: how consistent they are (we've had a fair few modelers get hired already, make like 2 things and dip), ALSO it's VERY hard to not get bored (at least for me) modeling one kinda plane for as long as ive been here, yk? for example i started off that way in how i was sorta like "I LOVE GA IM GOING TO CARRY THE GA SECTOR" and did ish somewhat for like a year then i got bored and started doing like scenery until i could take on things like PJs, yk

[potent quest]

I assume lucky was gonna do the DC-9 family remodel but life caught up to him?

[cinder jackal]

yea now rice will (i think, not me at least)

[potent quest]

epok, looking forward to making MD-87 liveries

[livid gazelle]

I don't disagree with what you're saying at all I know some things get boring and it certainly isn't that easy to just hire devs but if they're able to hire so many people who work on military stuff it can't be that difficult to find people who work on other stuff as they do exist out there somewhere

[livid gazelle]

Doesn't that include aircraft like the Globals?

I know Lucky had a pretty exciting todo list

[cinder jackal]

yea

then as a little added bonus theres also this

[dusk violet]

🥶

[livid gazelle]

Can't wait, thank you

[echo hill]

what the devil happened here

there is a lot more civil aircraft than military aircraft what

???

[cinder jackal]

yea idk

[deft plover]

I got curious and manually counted everything
Boats aside, we have about 97 GA, 340 commercial and 241 military vehicles

[echo hill]

so just under 2/3 of all aircraft being civilian

[azure pike]

if u have the time to count this stuff then you must have time to sort my hanger into folders

[lyric cradle]

hi