Nerf the Hypermach raise other top tier aircraft

[charred edge]

honestly this is probably a better idea than what i had in mind

[cerulean hare]

check the high class thread

[charred edge]

oh god

[olive mica]

That would be fair, IMO. It'd still be better, but it wouldn't be comically better.

[cerulean hare]

That got BAD a hour or so ago

[bleak depot]

Simply because certain person isn’t here anymore

[merry tinsel]

well

[mighty copper]

I propose to just do this:

• add a maintenance degradation stat to each aircraft that can be changed to determine how long the aircraft can fly before requiring an overhaul

[charred edge]

true

[merry tinsel]

allow me to link this again

[bleak ember]

Tbh tbh

I don't really care about meta

[charred edge]

same

[bleak ember]

Let me play what's fun and grind out wp at my own pace

If there's some meta shitfuck wp printer 3000 I don't really care all that much

[merry tinsel]

that is a very good mentality

[charred edge]

i hate flying the hypermach anyway

[merry tinsel]

that we should probably get used to because this suggestion is not going through

[merry tinsel]

this is why i made this whole ass essay tbh
i don't dislike the hypermach per se, but having more options would be cool

[charred edge]

yeah i agree

[mighty copper]

The problem is not maintenance, capacity, or any stat.

The problem is that slower, heavier aircraft can’t fly for as long as a duration as faster, supersonic aircraft.

Making larger aircraft able to fly for longer durations would allow for them to perform better chains than the Hypermach, thus leading to it falling off the meta without actually nerfing it

[merry tinsel]

what was the meta before hypermach and SSTs ?

[bleak depot]

“What color is your Hypermach”

[bleak depot]

Hindenburg

[charred edge]

i dont even have my hypermach anymore

[merry tinsel]

have you read

[bleak ember]

Tbh my problem is that there aren't any unique jobs for cargo planes that you can feel

[merry tinsel]

do you happen to know what was before that ?

[bleak depot]

Nah it’s call back to the previous shitshow

[mighty copper]

... I just did

[bleak depot]

Nope

[charred edge]

oh yeah

[olive mica]

And then airships got nerfed in the Red Star update - which made quite a lot of people angry.

[merry tinsel]

because what you said was in the paragraph you replied to

[bleak ember]

It would be cool if cargo weight affected your flight performance but that wouldn't happen

[mighty copper]

Likely Bristol 223 triangle chain or helicopters

[bleak depot]

Oh yeah

[merry tinsel]

apart from triangle chains

[bleak depot]

Triangle chain

[merry tinsel]

istg i saw someone reminisce once about supply drops being the best job at some point

[mighty copper]

I am smooth brain

[charred edge]

triangle chains sound fun

[merry tinsel]

or at least a very solid WP grinding method

[bleak ember]

Oh yeah

[charred edge]

not for the economy

[olive mica]

Might've been me.

[bleak ember]

Pre SSTs lmfaoooo

[charred edge]

but ut sounds fun

[bleak depot]

So An-225 for example would be heavier hence slower hence less money per hour hence even more worse than now

[mighty copper]

They actually are
You can make back an entire C-5 in an hour

Nothing meta

But solid

[bleak ember]

I don't mind making less money but man the jobs are stale

I want to be ferrying around a buran or testing a buran

[charred edge]

real lmao

[bleak ember]

Something more than fly from point a to point b

[mighty copper]

the aircraft is dogshit as it is

[merry tinsel]

i don't mind the hypermach being meta
i mind the hypermach being meta by a factor of 4

[bleak ember]

That's why I've been doing more SAR jobs and the like

[charred edge]

dont make the plane more dogshit

[bleak ember]

But maybe that's just me

[grim jewel]

Does the hypermach even matter to the game?

[mighty copper]

Then they should:

• make the rarity of the Hypermach in crates 1% instead of 0.3%
• reduce the capacity of Hypermach from 20 to 10 (I think it has 10 windows, so that makes sense?)

[charred edge]

yeah because its too good

[bleak depot]

Races, PTS are making significantly more money, only difference is that it requires any effort. Which makes me laugh given that certain person was claiming that everyone who hates it just “lazy” despite the fact that those people actually earn money by playing game not afking between airports

[charred edge]

lmao true

[mighty copper]

EXACTLY BRO
My earliest money method was Mach loop in the F15 and that was before the remodel

With drop tanks it can probably do 350k an hour now

[charred edge]

bring back pts meta imo (im never gonna do pts)

[charred edge]

oh god

[mighty copper]

BUT it requires skill

[bleak depot]

We need more PTS spots……..

[mighty copper]

Legit

[merry tinsel]

i'm curious why PTS isn't randomized like 80% of the jobs in aero

[bleak ember]

It would be mega cool if PTS had proper bomb physics

🥺

[mighty copper]

• Nerfing the performance of the aircraft will just piss people off
• nerfing the capacity would work, but the rarity of the aircraft inside of crates must be drastically decreased to make it not a total waste of money

[bleak depot]

Not possible with how Aero scaled iirc

[bleak ember]

Neo warfare has it though raghhh

[mighty copper]

Floating point bomb physics

[merry tinsel]

NWX is less scaled down

[bleak ember]

Is it?

[bleak depot]

It’s hard coded to the place and trigger zones

[olive mica]

I still feel like upping the stall speed of the Hypermach to make it more difficult to chain with would be a decent option.

[bleak ember]

their floating point feels worse than aero lmao

[mighty copper]

Supply drop is the same way afaik

[charred edge]

that and making accessible airports based on stall speed imo

[mighty copper]

press button and it goes straight down

[bleak depot]

That’s optimization issue, their planes have way more parts than ours given that each pylon has separated layout

[charred edge]

not capacity

[bleak ember]

Gg

[mighty copper]

this would make many high stall speed aircraft useless

[merry tinsel]

Supply Drops, SAR, Surveillance ... it's not like there's a lack of code for random locations to send players to

[charred edge]

this is true

l2k 💀

[mighty copper]

Likely because there’s only one bomb site

[olive mica]

Yes, this, as well. That would work so nicely, IMO, and would give STOL aircraft (like the YC-14) a genuine purpose in the game.

[charred edge]

it would literally make the l2k useless i just realized

[mighty copper]

Except for Anhedral

[merry tinsel]

why don't you, say, copy the supply drops' code, change the altitude floor to an altitude ceiling

[bleak depot]

PTS on Valois

[mighty copper]

Please place a PTS trigger directly on top of Anhedral terminal

[merry tinsel]

i've never had a supply drop in an airport or city

[charred edge]

LMAO

[bleak depot]

Make it Valois tower

[olive mica]

Why would it? There's still plenty of places the L-2K can land safely.

[merry tinsel]

did devs place every single supply dropping spot ? or is it actually randomized ?

[charred edge]

hmm true

[bleak ember]

Raghhh i made a suggestion for turning one of the islands around the singapore place into a PTS zone since that's what it's used for irl

[bleak depot]

I believe it’s preset

[merry tinsel]

maybe just copy those presets ?

idk

[mighty copper]

I think the main problem is that the setting of Norman makes sense for bomb testing
Dropping bombs in a random countryside just doesn’t really make sense - it would have to be a dedicated site, similar to the area in the bottom right of Alvaega

[merry tinsel]

i cannot even begin to fathom how devs create jobs for aero

supply drops' code would probably be more fit for high-altitude bombing, which was in the trello

[bleak ember]

RAGHHHHH WE COULD'VE HAD A PTS ZONE AT THE CHANGI AIRPORT IN AERO RAGHHHHH

[bleak depot]

Doesn’t make sense, both logically and technically, place for PTS should have some challenge like Norman being between mountains and having a bridge right in front, being able to drop bombs at flat sea would be cheesed to hell

Also no scenery fitting for PTS spot, what’s the point of dropping bombs in the water

Logically doesn’t make sense

[bleak ember]

Put a ship there

[merry tinsel]

then make it high-altitude bombing

[bleak depot]

So uh…. Not randomized

[merry tinsel]

SAR jobs :

[bleak depot]

We’re talking about randomized PTS, which is no no

[bleak ember]

Spawn them in like SAR

Tbh I don't think there's any job which is randomized apart from weather hunting

Everything else seems to be consistently in the same locations

[bleak depot]

Besides the fact that bombs are triggers only in certain preset zones

You can’t take PTS and Norman at then go bomb shit

[merry tinsel]

i still think a high-altitude bombing job would work with the supply drop code

[bleak depot]

It might, but it’s still have to be preset

[merry tinsel]

it should pay less than PTS though, since it's much less challenging

[bleak ember]

Or the new paratroop job thing that was showcased

[bleak depot]

Ofc

[mighty copper]

You’re still dropping bombs into a random countryside

What happens if a high altitude bombing location gets coincidentally placed on top of one of those random towns in the middle of nowhere? you would literally be bombing civilians

[merry tinsel]

can't the airdrop/paratroop spots be copied ?

[olive mica]

It'd at least give the big bombers something to do other than surveillance.

[bleak depot]

Refer to what Dank said

[charred edge]

oh no

[merry tinsel]

enclaved just said the supply drop jobs are not randomized, but placed

[bleak ember]

Sounds alright to me

[grim jewel]

what if we add carpet bombing missions?

[merry tinsel]

if they are placed, you can just remove the ones that overlap with cities

[bleak ember]

since when has bombing civilians been an issue irl anyways

[charred edge]

oh no

[bleak depot]

[charred edge]

[merry tinsel]

besides i have never had supply drop jobs on cities

[mighty copper]

That’s not what I’m conveying

Take a second and think about the logic behind bombing a random countryside potentially with a farmhouse or two in a game that is anti-PVE/PVP

[bleak ember]

Historically accurate

[charred edge]

literally warcrimes

in a roblox game

💀

[mighty copper]

“Yeah my bad it was just a Broken arrow“

[bleak ember]

Adding patrol jobs for fighters when

Copy paste sightseeing job at a higher altitude

Rgahhh

[mighty copper]

Lower

[charred edge]

INTERCEPTOR JOBS 🗣️ 🔥

[merry tinsel]

think about the logic behind dropping 25 tons of military supplies 5 km away from kitesboro's capital

[mighty copper]

[mighty copper]

do those military supplies explode on impact?

[merry tinsel]

[charred edge]

also test flight jobs would be so peak

[bleak ember]

they are dropping without chutes atm and seem to vapourize midair so maybe

[merry tinsel]

[bleak ember]

I had a whole ass job suggestion about all this 😭

[merry tinsel]

we are actually dropping antimemetic WMDs

this is my headcanon now

[mighty copper]

How did this go from funny sst plane to bombing civilians

[bleak ember]

Never ask what happened to old aether

[mighty copper]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-ahh-memes-gif-4093852067409241275

[merry tinsel]

tbh i'd much rather talk about the moral implication of aero jobs than going back to the trenches

[mighty copper]

True

[merry tinsel]

anyway, i stand by my point

[mighty copper]

If hypercock gets a capacity nerf then make it easier to get

[merry tinsel]

if there is a way to copy another job's preset locations to a new job, then it wouldn't take too much coding to add a high-altitude bombing job
just give it the bomb model of PTS

[proper wyvern]

Still waiting on the ekranoplan revamp so they are a viable way to earn wp

[charred edge]

do NOT call it this

[mighty copper]

[charred edge]

😭

[mighty copper]

Literally just double the capacity of both

they are slow as hell

And blue + orange rare

And hard to fly unless you practice

[proper wyvern]

No

Doubling the capacity would be really weird

[merry tinsel]

simple supply and demand
if it is less OP it'll cost less

[proper wyvern]

How much capacity does the 225 have?

[mighty copper]

Why not? Capacity if the only advantage they have over conventional aircraft

[merry tinsel]

they would have more capacity than the 225

i think

[mighty copper]

[proper wyvern]

Yeah I feel like the km shouldn't be able to carry more than the 225

Well the concept can

Just that you'd need to make it bigger ofc

[olive mica]

Holy fuck, yes - those things are so bad for earning money with.

Maybe making them ships would benefit them? But then they'd probably be making way too much money.

[merry tinsel]

ok hear me out
treat them like hydrofoil boats instead of planes

[proper wyvern]

No

[mighty copper]

The KM apparently has a payload of 300k KG, which is comparable to the AN225

So.. why is KM payload so much lower ingame?

[charred edge]

true

[merry tinsel]

when they reach a certain speed they start rising up
until they get to their actual ceiling rn

[proper wyvern]

Because it's Smaller

[merry tinsel]

wait what

[mighty copper]

https://www.redstar.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2483:caspian-sea-monster-km-1-military-ekranoplan&catid=444&lang=en&Itemid=531 got from here

[charred edge]

i still dont like the fact that if you do get to ceiling you just fucking fall into the water

[proper wyvern]

The fact it can carry 300 tonnes doesn't mean it has the space to carry something that weighs 300 tonnes

[mighty copper]

so.. buff capacity to 10 less than AN225

[proper wyvern]

[mighty copper]

80 capacity is much too little for something with that payload

[proper wyvern]

#1294474404494970961

[mighty copper]

especially when it’s slow as FUCK

[merry tinsel]

devs would have to work though

[proper wyvern]

[merry tinsel]

[proper wyvern]

Love how hyperant told me to go into detail about what I was talking about and after I did he just ghosted me

[charred edge]

fuck

[mighty copper]

You don’t understand

there is a 0.3% chance to pull a Hypermach part in a crate.

The odds would have to be changed to around 1% to make it’s value drop

the only aircraft around that rarity that are cheap are ones that are totally useless for grinding

[merry tinsel]

k so going off of takeoff weight, it's actually not that far off

[merry tinsel]

then do that

[proper wyvern]

April fool's update

Make the chance 3%

[mighty copper]

300%

[mighty copper]

Yea the ekranos need a capacity buff big time

[proper wyvern]

Remove all other crate parts and replace them with Mooney parts

With a 3% to get hypermach

[charred edge]

why mooney parts

[mighty copper]

Lun is around 100k KG

[merry tinsel]

better idea

[mighty copper]

but with stuff on the top like missiles etc

[proper wyvern]

Least valuable crate aircraft I think

[merry tinsel]

make every crate drop a "darkstar part", but there's 10,000 parts

[mighty copper]

Easy

[proper wyvern]

[mighty copper]

Only 100 hours of hunting

[proper wyvern]

In 1 day

[mighty copper]

[charred edge]

wasnt there than one 747 craftable

not the dreamlifter

[proper wyvern]

Dreamli

[charred edge]

the other thing

[proper wyvern]

Nvm

[mighty copper]

Yes
You cant craft it anymore

well

[proper wyvern]

The RR?

[mighty copper]

I don’t know if you can

The parts are stupidly expensive

[proper wyvern]

What

[mighty copper]

Old 747 part

[proper wyvern]

Are?

Huh?

[mighty copper]

Yea

U can still obtain parts

Via trading

[proper wyvern]

What

Which 747 is it?

Is it the RR?

[charred edge]

was it the -7 or something istg i read that somewhere

[mighty copper]

I think... that one person who liked concordes a lot and got banned.. had 3 parts for it

[proper wyvern]

Mock

[mighty copper]

I think -7

[proper wyvern]

747-7?

What

[mighty copper]

Yep

[charred edge]

no longer pingable

[proper wyvern]

Tf is that

[mighty copper]

really old plane

Nobody has tried crafting a kit recently afaik

Because 1 part is millions

[charred edge]

well its not even in database

[merry tinsel]

https://discord.com/channels/820044095535185951/1231813180674801674

don't mind the auctioneer

._.

[charred edge]

idrc about the auctioneer ngl

i know what he did but idc

[proper wyvern]

Wtf is that

[mighty copper]

...a 747-7 part?

[proper wyvern]

I looked up 747-7 and not even google knows

[mighty copper]

(It doesn’t exist)

[proper wyvern]

Mf I went to Wikipedia and there isn't 747-7 variant what the hell

[charred edge]

shorter 748 maybe

[proper wyvern]

No idea who that is

[proper wyvern]

Ah whatever anyways we don't need more 747s ingame

We have like

14

It's so sad to try to collect them all because I had to buy fucking 4 747-100s since it has 3 conversions

[charred edge]

lmfao

[bleak depot]

And it’s not even full list

There’s still E-4, YAL-1, KC-747 and Supertanker

[proper wyvern]

I don't want a full list we don't need more copy paste 747 variants with different engines

[charred edge]

also some of the variants are adv customization

[bleak depot]

Those are not copypaste

[proper wyvern]

We have ENOUGH

[bleak depot]

Also main focus of game is still real planes so

[charred edge]

the ones enclaved listed are not copypaste

[proper wyvern]

Those aren't

[charred edge]

fuckin goofy ass 747

[proper wyvern]

The rest pretty much are

[proper wyvern]

Real

[wind cairn]

Make the supertanker earn the same WP as the hyper

[charred edge]

lmfao

[bleak depot]

Supertanker is pretty much backstocked until firefight jobs

Same as S-70 Firehawk

[wind cairn]

Ik

Are we getting the firefighting 737

or the 146

[charred edge]

firefighting dc10

[wind cairn]

Yes

Dc-10 remodel when

[stuck dragon]

DC-8 REMODEL WHEN

[river spade]

What are you talking about in regards to a “multi-billion dollar scam?”

The Hypermach’s appearance is of no relevance in this context. Even if it was, the plane has been modeled adequately enough. I am not sure what you are trying to communicate when you say “WP sink.”

[merry tinsel]

the Hypermach Sonicstar was an investment fraud

the creators ran away with the money

it's not relevant, but it's funny
but i guess you are too ennobled by the higher values of capitalism to conceptualize jokes

also feel free to read the 4,000 character argument-suggestion i made

or don't, idrc anymore

[charred edge]

lmfao

[wind cairn]

anyways

I just got flung and lost 50k cash

thanks game

[wind cairn]

they were going to use electromagnetic technology to make it not have a sonic boom

that was "coming"

[ivory tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-sure-ok-why-not-silly-gif-4999875

[wind cairn]

what

on me getting flung or the hypermach sonicscam?

[ivory tusk]

affirmative

[wind cairn]

sir yes sir overlord hyperant

[wind cairn]

question
is aeronautica a communist utopia

[charred edge]

lmfao

[river spade]

They say that jokes are supposed to be funny!

[faint gate]

Giggling my ass off to this

[charred edge]

they dont have to be funny to you

[river spade]

“Agonizing pain.”

Nothing good comes easy.

If boosting the statistics of other aircraft heightens the price that they are traded for on the market, so be it.

The better the item, the more difficult it is to acquire.

You acknowledged that the Hypermach has been nerfed before. There is no need to nerf it again.

[merry tinsel]

there is some sort of irony in the most overpriced aircraft in the game being a scheme irl
but if it's not funny to you that's fine

[glad magnet]

brother

[river spade]

The current performance of the HyperMach is already balanced. It takes hours to get a valuable job-chain going. 250k-400k WP per hour is ridiculous, and that is a slap in the face to every player who worked hard to purchase a HyperMach.

[merry tinsel]

well, yes
buffing them would make them more useful, therefore more valuable

[merry tinsel]

it's an average
it means less in the beginning of the chain, and more in the end of the chain

[river spade]

No.

[merry tinsel]

Yes

that's how chains work

[river spade]

Do you have a HyperMach?

[merry tinsel]

Yes

[river spade]

Do you fly it?

[merry tinsel]

it has 90 hours on it

[river spade]

Ok, so clearly you do not fly your HyperMach often.

[charred edge]

LMFAO

[river spade]

The current job-chain mechanic for the HyperMach SonicStar is balanced.

[merry tinsel]

it is, up until the point where you earn several millions in a couple of hours

[river spade]

What is the problem with this?

[merry tinsel]

Every single plane in the game earns somewhere between 0 and 250k WP/hr
Except for one, which earns upwards of a million per hour

So yes, it is overpowered, and overshadows other grinding methods.

[river spade]

I asked for the problem.

What is the problem?

[merry tinsel]

.

You not giving a shit about it doesn't solve the issue of diversity

If you enjoy flying the Hypermach, that's fine

[river spade]

Other planes can get boosted by the game’s developers. There is nothing wrong with the current state of the HyperMach SonicStar. If you want to make millions of WP per hour, you can fly a HyperMach just like anybody else.

[merry tinsel]

[charred edge]

mf has the if i dont give a shit about it it doesnt exist mentality

[merry tinsel]

But why not just buff the other aircraft ?

• Baring a few balance issues, almost all aircraft in the game have statistics based on their real-life stats. Capacity scales slightly differently, but still works out when comparing aircraft of similar roles. Changing these stats doesn't make much sense.
  The Hypermach Sonicstar is a paper project, which was never tested or completed. Its stats are estimations (and, very probably, overestimations) of how it would perform. Its stats can be changed with less remorse ; in fact, it has been nerfed before.
• Buffing literally everything else to fit the Hypermach's gross overpoweredness would require much more work than nerfing a single aircraft. It would also lead to all of these aircraft being about as expensive as the Hypermach, which would make reaching those aircraft an agonizing pain.

Bringing the Hypermach to the level of similarly rare aircraft would allow people to choose between multiple job types/styles of aircraft for end-game grinding.

If the Hypermach Sonicstar were to be nerfed, and the An-225 to be buffed, so that both are more comparable to the Foulke and SR-71, players would have the ability to choose between multiple aircraft and jobs for end-game grinding. This, in turn, would lead to more people sticking around in the end-game.

[charred edge]

calvin i dont think theres any use in arguing eith this guy further

lmfao

[merry tinsel]

i know

[river spade]

“Require much more work” is out of the question. The market price for other aircraft shooting upwards is a good thing.

[merry tinsel]

i come around when i'm bored

[proper wyvern]

fym "not fly very often" it has 90 hours on it

this doesn't work on boat time

[merry tinsel]

you have a very narrow view of this game

[proper wyvern]

[river spade]

If you think that 90 hours on a plane is a lot, you are a lazy player.

[proper wyvern]

[proper wyvern]

and you are an idiot that probably enjoys boats

[river spade]

You have a very narrow view of capitalism and hard work.

[river spade]

I do not use boats.

[proper wyvern]

sure you don't

[charred edge]

you do realize how long 90 hours is in the context of this game

[river spade]

I own ships, but I do not use them.

[river spade]

Not a lot.

[proper wyvern]

he's half way to the fucking carreidas in a SINGLE sst

[proper wyvern]

do you play the game 24/7

[charred edge]

there is no fucking way this guy is this dense

[river spade]

No.

[proper wyvern]

calling him dense is an understatement

[merry tinsel]

Capitalism is narrow
You enjoy seeing the orange number in the bottom left corner of your screen go up
And couldn't be bothered whether you are using a plane or a boat or a red button

[river spade]

If I refuted your insult, this thread would get shutdown, so I will not respond to that.

[proper wyvern]

wp spawner hehehehaw

[charred edge]

nah go ahead and refute it

its for our own good

[proper wyvern]

fucking PLEASE it's gone on for way too long

we've already said all that we had to say

[river spade]

No. This thread will not get shutdown due to nobody here being able to control their temper.

[merry tinsel]

-# technically i already have the carreidas
-# rest of the SST time is split between other SSTs and a former hypermach was sold

[merry tinsel]

i wouldn't really mind

[proper wyvern]

yes i know you do have a carreidas

i've seen it

[river spade]

I do not care.

[proper wyvern]

[merry tinsel]

it's not like you can go any lower morally than yo mama jokes

[proper wyvern]

i mean that you're half-way to the carreidas required time.. not the plane itself

but yeah fair i didn't specify that

[river spade]

Players can choose to use whatever aircraft they would like to use.

[charred edge]

mfw bro literally made a “your mom” joke and he says “nobody can control their temper

be so for real

[proper wyvern]

[river spade]

You are not forced to use a HyperMach. You are not forced to work hard. You are given the option to do both.

[merry tinsel]

why tho

shouldn't videogames be fun

[river spade]

What do you mean “why?”

It is fun.

Do you not enjoy virtual wealth?

[merry tinsel]

if your only notion of fun is seeing the WP counter go up, yes

[proper wyvern]

why would you not use the hypermach since it's so op compared to everything else and have to suffer not having fun while using other aircraft?

[charred edge]

no i enjoy actual wealth

[river spade]

Aviation and economics are amazing.

[proper wyvern]

[river spade]

Sweet.

[proper wyvern]

returning to the suggestion at topic

er

topic of the suggestion

[river spade]

What do you mean? The HyperMach is fun to use.

[proper wyvern]

sorry brain not braining

[proper wyvern]

NOT use the hypermach you cabbage

the reading comprehension of this server amazes me on a daily basis

[river spade]

You format your sentences like a third grader.

[charred edge]

hows the 8th grade

[proper wyvern]

you format your arguments like a meta slave

[river spade]

Slave?

Under who?

[merry tinsel]

under meta

"meta slave"

[river spade]

“Meta?”

[merry tinsel]

that is elementary school grammar

[river spade]

Vocabulary is the correct word.

That is ironic.

[merry tinsel]

No

Grammar

[river spade]

No.

Vocabulary.

[merry tinsel]

I do not expect a kid to know the word "meta"

[river spade]

If you are referring to the meaning of a word, that is vocabulary.

[charred edge]

meta

[proper wyvern]

[merry tinsel]

I did expect you to know that "XXX slave" would imply a slave working for XXX

[proper wyvern]

who's meta

[merry tinsel]

Hence, grammar, not vocabulary

[charred edge]

like the optimal method of grinding

[river spade]

I was not sure what “meta” was supposed to mean in this context, so I disregarded it (especially given your previous oddly formatted sentences).

[merry tinsel]

Also I have deja-vu from this conversation

[charred edge]

it should not just stay on one method that is better than everything BY FAR

[merry tinsel]

[proper wyvern]

love how bro is using periods at the end of his messages to seem like he knows what propper grammar is but can't even understand the most basic of phrases

[merry tinsel]

Anyway, I think that players should be able to grind efficiently and choose between more than one grinding method to do so
In videogames (which, as far as I know, are meant to be enjoyable), is it too much to ask for ?

[river spade]

Sure. The game developers can boost other planes.

[proper wyvern]

where have i seen this before

[proper wyvern]

yes that's what i've been trying to argue for since the bloody start nooo

[merry tinsel]

how many times have you said this exact sentence

[river spade]

What?

Are you serious?

[charred edge]

the game developers can nerf the plane that never even existed outside of a piece of dead tree

[merry tinsel]

But why not just buff the other aircraft ?

• Baring a few balance issues, almost all aircraft in the game have statistics based on their real-life stats. Capacity scales slightly differently, but still works out when comparing aircraft of similar roles. Changing these stats doesn't make much sense.
  The Hypermach Sonicstar is a paper project, which was never tested or completed. Its stats are estimations (and, very probably, overestimations) of how it would perform. Its stats can be changed with less remorse ; in fact, it has been nerfed before.
• Buffing literally everything else to fit the Hypermach's gross overpoweredness would require much more work than nerfing a single aircraft. It would also lead to all of these aircraft being about as expensive as the Hypermach, which would make reaching those aircraft an agonizing pain.

[river spade]

You have all called for the game developers to nerf the HyperMach.

[charred edge]

as it should be

[proper wyvern]

yeah of course you don't realise that

[river spade]

If a plane being a “paper project” was a rationale for the game developers refusing to add a plane, the HyperMach SonicStar never would have existed in-game.

[proper wyvern]

yeah this guy cannot read

[merry tinsel]

It definitely wouldn't be added today

Because the devs added the Hypermach and deeply regretted it

[charred edge]

it would never even be considered

[merry tinsel]

Enclaved explained that earlier

[proper wyvern]

if the sst ban was lifted then it would still not be added

yeah

[merry tinsel]

I am not doing it again, scroll up

[charred edge]

if someone tried to suggest it today they would be bullied into oblivion

[proper wyvern]

if it wasn't for the fact it's already in the game and hundreds of players have it

they would absolutely just wipe the thing out

[charred edge]

100%

[merry tinsel]

The Hypermach was a mistake
Developers regretted it intensely, so much so that literally any SST suggestion is now permanently barred from #1183405059569094726

[sullen juniper]

ain’t no way this argument is still happening

[charred edge]

happening as soon as mf came back

[river spade]

If players want to earn millions of WP per hour, they can start using a HyperMach SonicStar.

If they do not want to make millions of WP per hour, they can use other planes.

[merry tinsel]

I think that players should be able to grind efficiently and choose between more than one grinding method to do so
In videogames (which, as far as I know, are meant to be enjoyable), is it too much to ask for ?

[charred edge]

there is no fucking way

[river spade]

Ok. In this case, the game developers should boost the statistics of other aircraft instead of nerfing the HyperMach.

[charred edge]

this guy wants the ugly ass mechanical pencil with over extended lead looking plane to be the fucking meta

[charred edge]

how much did you pay for the hypermach

[river spade]

Why do you ask?

[merry tinsel]

for the same reason you asked me whether i flew mine often

[charred edge]

because i want to see if it justifies you glazing it this hard

[river spade]

Haha.

I do not overtly disclose my business deals, but the price was inflated.

I bought a HyperMach kit, not the plane itself.

[proper wyvern]

yes

[proper wyvern]

bro you didn't sign an NDA for a fucking hypermach

[merry tinsel]

why should every aircraft in the game be modified to fit a single aircraft that shouldn't exist in the first place

[river spade]

Is that an assumption?

[river spade]

I am not saying that every aircraft in the game should be modified. I am saying that every aircraft that trades around the same price range as the HyperMach SonicStar should get boosted by the game’s developers.

[merry tinsel]

but none do

[charred edge]

i think youre the one assuming here

[merry tinsel]

the hypermach is the only, hyperinflated outlier

[river spade]

If you want me to be more specific, I am referring to the million-WP price range.

[charred edge]

hyperinflated sonicscam

[river spade]

If you can afford an AN-225, a Hypermach will likely not make a massive difference to you in terms of reproducible WP.

[merry tinsel]

3 to 4x the grinding time

[river spade]

How much did you purchase your HyperMach for?

[merry tinsel]

for some people, it might be enough to drive them off

[river spade]

Did you purchase one at all?

[river spade]

Not everyone is willing to achieve success.

[merry tinsel]

good question

[charred edge]

yes

[river spade]

Nothing good comes easy.

[charred edge]

no one wants it to come easy

at least not as easy as you think

[merry tinsel]

we don't want it to "come easy"
we want there to be more than one option for the end-game

since right now, the only one is the hypermach

and yes, people can always fly other planes if they want to

[river spade]

Ok, then the statistics of other in-game planes can get boosted by the game’s developers.

[charred edge]

my fucking face when

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-cat-annoyed-annoying-cat-please-shut-up-gif-13087270503647123674

[river spade]

Nerfing the HyperMach is not a good solution.

[merry tinsel]

But why not just buff the other aircraft ?

• Baring a few balance issues, almost all aircraft in the game have statistics based on their real-life stats. Capacity scales slightly differently, but still works out when comparing aircraft of similar roles. Changing these stats doesn't make much sense.
  The Hypermach Sonicstar is a paper project, which was never tested or completed. Its stats are estimations (and, very probably, overestimations) of how it would perform. Its stats can be changed with less remorse ; in fact, it has been nerfed before.
• Buffing literally everything else to fit the Hypermach's gross overpoweredness would require much more work than nerfing a single aircraft. It would also lead to all of these aircraft being about as expensive as the Hypermach, which would make reaching those aircraft an agonizing pain.

[river spade]

I have already refuted this several times.

[charred edge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/960914817160450078/1050158217533083720/4A3AEC46-62A8-42B1-B4DA-071520ED266E.gif

[merry tinsel]

is not refuting

[merry tinsel]

You do not have the necessary clearance to access this information

[bleak depot]

afking between airports is not a hard work, call back when you'll make at least million with PTS or Fjord run

[charred edge]

LMAO

[river spade]

“Much more work” is out of the question. It is not your concern as a player to evaluate the diligence of the game’s development team (maybe they are lazy). An “agonizing pain” is often necessary for anything that is truly good.

[river spade]

What are you talking about?

Are you still talking about fighter jets?

[charred edge]

cant wait for the guy to insult your grammar again

[merry tinsel]

once again, an "agonizing pain" is not "necessary" in a videogame

[river spade]

It is.

[merry tinsel]

[river spade]

If it was not, then all of the good planes in this game should be extremely easy to get.

Nothing good comes easy.

[merry tinsel]

how do i even respond to this

[bleak depot]

You keep returning to the argument of people being lazy, when all you do is afking between airports and apparently it makes you more legit in this conversation. I made over 50mil on cratehunting alone, which requires actually flying plane, looking for buyers and follow the market. You can’t tell me I’m “lazy” because I don’t want to fly Hyperscam.

Stop calling people lazy when it’s not relevant to the topic

[river spade]

What do you mean “AFK between airports?” That is not necessarily feasible with the HyperMach SonicStar, especially at the beginning of a job-chain.

[proper wyvern]

no it's the truth, nobody would be stupid enough to

ok actually on second thought

[charred edge]

i think someone here is stupid enough to

[river spade]

You are clearly not a HyperMach pilot, so you should not act like you know the intricacies of the plane.

[proper wyvern]

there is someone i know that is stupid enough to sign an NDA on a hypermach deal

[proper wyvern]

bro you do NOT know who you're talking to

[bleak depot]

Hypermach gameplay is way less active than other jobs and you can’t argue with that

[merry tinsel]

gatekeeping the end-game behind dozens of hours of mind-numbing grind =/= making the game more fun

[charred edge]

https://tenor.com/view/aviation-ground-personal-aircraft-carrier-byebye-gif-2499983579509704679

[river spade]

Nothing good comes easy.

[charred edge]

oh my fucking god

[merry tinsel]

[proper wyvern]

gatekeeping the endgame behind dozens of hours of mind-numbing grind is perfectly fair and makes it rewarding to finally achieve it

[merry tinsel]

i can't tell if you're a 6th grader or a boomer

[proper wyvern]

but you need to make the rest of the game fun

so it's actually worth grinding

[charred edge]

https://tenor.com/view/annoyed-cat-annoyed-annoying-cat-please-shut-up-gif-13087270503647123674

[bleak depot]

Amount of money you receive per hour does not relate to “being lazy”. There’s person who does nothing and gets 3mil a year on shareholding, there’s also a person who makes less than 100k in mines, who is lazy in your opinion?

[merry tinsel]

no
the game shouldn't be fun
you should suffer every step of the way

[river spade]

Only the greatest achieve the “end-game.”

[proper wyvern]

genuinely can't tell either lmao

[proper wyvern]

TRUE!!!!!

[river spade]

If players are not willing to put in the work, then they will not receive the reward.

[proper wyvern]

the entire game should be locked behind GAMBLING!!!!!!!

🗣️

[charred edge]

a boomer who dropped out in 6th grade

[proper wyvern]

you need to gamble for your licenses

[merry tinsel]

most likely

[proper wyvern]

1/1000 chance you actually get approved

[merry tinsel]

🔥🔥🔥

[charred edge]

what work

[river spade]

Hours of grinding.

[charred edge]

youre literally afk 80% the time

[bleak depot]

Ironically enough but players taking out fun on their own, with optimizing their gameplay to single route of earning money, that’s why there’s things like them bonuses for different jobs in other games for example

[proper wyvern]

you're FORCED to grind to progress

[proper wyvern]

the whole fun of the game is being able to do

well

[river spade]

Were you the one who stated that you had epic status on your HyperMach yesterday?

[proper wyvern]

anything you want, really

[bleak depot]

Want proof?

[proper wyvern]

getting ES on an aircraft doesn't mean you only use it 24/7 365

[bleak depot]

Also this

[river spade]

I was expecting a yes or no answer.

[proper wyvern]

wrong server for that

[river spade]

I am wondering if “epic status” is supposed to be a remarkable achievement.

[bleak depot]

Given that you ask this my “yes” yesterday wasn’t enough

[river spade]

I achieved “epic status” on my HyperMach in one night.

[bleak depot]

It’s supposed to be counter argument to your “don’t have it can’t say anything”

[charred edge]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-mike-breaking-bad-car-kidnapping-gif-27364317

[proper wyvern]

correct

[river spade]

It is clearly not.

[proper wyvern]

people aren't expected to just play the game every hour of their lives

[charred edge]

YOU are not remarkable bro

[proper wyvern]

some people literally can't

[charred edge]

holy fuck

[proper wyvern]

[river spade]

I achieved “epic status” on my HyperMach in one night.

[proper wyvern]

school, work, children, family

[charred edge]

just because you have the hypermach doesnt mean youre some elite player

[river spade]

It is clearly not a remarkable achievement.

[merry tinsel]

your constant claim that the only value in Aeronautica is the pain and suffering of grinding for WP is an asinine take

[river spade]

I never stated or implied this.

[proper wyvern]

just because you have literally as much free time as you want

[charred edge]

literally the worst fucking take

[proper wyvern]

doesn't mean everyone does

[merry tinsel]

nothing you achieve in this game will matter

[charred edge]

opposite of peak game design

[proper wyvern]

true that's why you gotta GAMBLE

[merry tinsel]

the only thing that matters is how much you enjoy the journey

[proper wyvern]

why grind for 20 hours to achieve something when you can GAMBLE for it and maybe achieve it in way less time

(you'll end up spending double the amount of time)

[merry tinsel]

you can fly around the map
do fun jobs like SAR, PTS, races
partake in events
participate in the community

but no

you decided that the only way that anyone should enjoy this game is by getting more weepees

[proper wyvern]

SAR my beloved 🗣️

[river spade]

Participating in a community like this is truly agonizing.

[charred edge]

but number doesnt go up as quickly

[proper wyvern]

when people like Y O U are in it, then yeah it definitely is

[bleak depot]

I just confused how afk gameplay of Hypermach makes you not so lazy as actually playing the game with diverse amount of fast earning but active jobs

[proper wyvern]

if you've ever been to ANY community event you'll realise how nice it is

[charred edge]

you make participating in this community agonizing

[proper wyvern]

[sullen juniper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1139176380307873804/1322743616921403483/bounce.gif

[river spade]

I do not participate in the social scene of this community.

[proper wyvern]

then you have no right to form opinions on it

and then act like they're right

[river spade]

What do you think “participate” means?

[merry tinsel]

why are you so keen on keeping it less fun for everyone

[river spade]

I have seen enough.

[merry tinsel]

[river spade]

What do you mean?

[charred edge]

because hypermach supremacy

[proper wyvern]

clearly you haven't

[bleak depot]

Because he’s confused about self goal of this game and thinks his view of it is, in fact, it’s true purpose that OG devs put into it

It’s obvious

[merry tinsel]

all hail the needle

[proper wyvern]

sbj better

[charred edge]

he saw enough because he keeps seeing trans furries everywhere

he cant handle those

[proper wyvern]

TRUEEEEEEEE

[bleak depot]

True…..

[river spade]

Count the amount of furries and pronoun-people that have participated in this thread.

[merry tinsel]

[proper wyvern]

his boomer ass can't handle people expressing themselves freely

[drifting umbra]

guys

guys

[proper wyvern]

EVERYONE must obey him and him only like a dictatorship 🗣️

[drifting umbra]

please keep things on topic

[charred edge]

FINALLY

LOCK THIS THREAD

[proper wyvern]

he's here

[river spade]

Alright.

[proper wyvern]

lock this fucking thing

[river spade]

Do not lock this thread.

[proper wyvern]

PLEASE

[charred edge]

theres no productive conversations being done here

[proper wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-lock-this-post-mods-discord-gif-11549623437552487671

[river spade]

The HyperMach SonicStar should remain untouched.

[merry tinsel]

i would rather we lock it tbh

[proper wyvern]

it should, that's right

[charred edge]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-lock-this-post-mods-discord-gif-11549623437552487671

[merry tinsel]

this has been going in circles for days

[drifting umbra]

Yeah, enclaved I think I need to ask you for permission to lock it since your a dev but i forgor

[bleak depot]

You do know that suggestion does not necessarily mean we would take it into account, right

[proper wyvern]

"a day"
checks original message
"days"

[bleak depot]

Yeah I’ve seen enough

[river spade]

Indeed.

[drifting umbra]

Perfect

[proper wyvern]

can mods not lock posts?

[river spade]

It was a valiant effort.

[drifting umbra]

we can but I think we need permission

Nerf the Hypermach 2 Electric Boogaloo

[sullen juniper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/919680757813882910/1222337091875373167/attachment-2-1.gif

[tulip fulcrum]

What the HELL happened here

[glad magnet]

did the second one go to shit too

or is this the first one

[pure siren]

This is episode 3

[bleak depot]

Episode 2, actually, we stopped Episode 3 before it went too far

[pure siren]

oh yeah

[sullen juniper]

prequel when

[azure geyser]

Of course

This is how it ended