Poll for how updates should go

[humble plank]

A poll between more frequent but smaller updates, and less frequent but larger updates.

I imagine this suggestion by itself requires a poll

[desert musk]

I wanna see this interesting poll

[slim steppe]

I feel like small will win in any game but we'll se

[tardy tapir]

carl

[slim steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-duck-rubber-duck-spinning-spinning-duck-duck-gif-7402580194061167682

[buoyant burrow]

I think a mix of both is good

Sometimes more frequent smaller ones, sometimes less frequent larger ones

But that’s already how it’s been so

[slim steppe]

Yeah

[desert musk]

True

[slim steppe]

Maybe like a rotating schedule of a few devs have a vehicle or small update this two week cycle, more the next, and all making a few for a big update

So devs get their work in game sooner and players get new vehicles more frequently instead of at one

[desert musk]

I can say that in my opinion I interested to see what the community will say (out of curiosity)

[desert musk]

But the mix of both need to be kept despite the community will say

[sand jacinth]

yea that's the problem

IMO

99% of the time, people will vote for smaller updates if the amount of content per timespan is the same

but it is probably more rewarding for devs in the end to develop bigger, themed updates

ultimately it's up to the dev team tho

[humble plank]

its also boring for players to wait for those

evidence'd by the significant jump in players after an update

they start playing at an update

play a few days

then get bored and get goin again

[sand jacinth]

players also play longer after bigger updates tho

i think

[humble plank]

not really

player count goes 400+ after an update

then it drops to like 150 after a few days again

[mighty lava]

Honestly good idea. Perhaps this would help the devs massively back-shelved projects that will never see the light of day

[humble plank]

thats what gave me this ide

idea

so much stuff backlogged, not to be released until 3 years later because they need a major update

[mighty lava]

Yeah like there were vehicles that were on the trello for apparently years while we get another generic airliner all I’m hoping for is that the new leaks we’ve been getting are going to release with maybe the military warships jobs (or atleast give them capacity)

[humble plank]

there' the entire Russian northern fleet waiting release

FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS

they keep them there for so long that they literally become too outdated to even work in the game anymore

and then they have to remodel them

[mighty lava]

Like what?

I remember seeing Kirov but that looked incomplete

[humble plank]

the kirov

they kiev

the slava

the gorshkov

some landing ship

another submarine

hang on

-# Aircraft
T-4 40%
T-4MS 95%
M-50 70%
MiG-15 80%
MiG-21 30%
MiG-23 70%
MiG-25 95%
MiG-27 0% (Life)
Su-47 40%
Yak-44E 90%
Yak-2KABB ~50% (Life)
TIS MA 0% (Life)
Po-2 0% (Life)

-# Ships
Gorshkov 100%
Ulyanovsk 90%
Kiev 100%
Slava 70%
Kynda 100%
Karakurt 0%
Kilo 80%
Grachonok 0%
22160 70%
Zryw 1 70%
Meteor (Hydrofoil) 85%
MPK Pr.11451 Sokol 2 0%

-# Scenery
KVMF Tselinoyarsk & KVMF Leovetsk Carrier Group
Leovetsk Naval Base Update

this is Aussie's to do list

pretty long aint it

this is like a month old tho

[mighty lava]

[sand jacinth]

if you bother to check he updates it regularly

it's a long checklist, but goes by fast

idk i really like the idea of having larger, themed updates (even if we have to wait a little longer)

but i guess it could be worth making a poll to gauge public opinion

[desert musk]

Yes

[fierce beacon]

a month old isnt bad

[timber hamlet]

this is not how it works

[sand jacinth]

no it's not

but i think it'd still be interesting to see the poll results

[dense compass]

how does it work?

[fierce beacon]

dev make update

update release when ready

[dense compass]

Does the amount of releasable stuff have any bearing over the release?

Are deadlines for work (if they exist) coordinated?

[fierce beacon]

dev release update when update ready

[dense compass]

What signifies a ready update corevector?

Also why is Hyper's pfp the evil insurance manager from the first incredibles movie?

[bold fog]

x files theme

[sand jacinth]

i think the devs kinda just speak about it together and agree on it

[dense compass]

Reasonable.

[bold fog]

jokes aside they don’t really seem to work on bugs between updates so i would personally vote for smaller, more frequent update

they release a few patches after a major update and then just leave bugs in the game until the next major update is ready

more frequent updates means more bug fixes faster

[sand jacinth]

like once in a while one of them goes "hey, we have a lot of aircraft ready to roll out, we should update this weekend"
and if most agree, then it rolls out

[sand jacinth]

they do, even if it's not always announced
a few weeks ago i remembered altac letting us know in a bug report that the AD-1 model had been fixed in a bug patch

#1309533628409188384 message

[bold fog]

oh is that why there was an update but no update log a while ago

[sand jacinth]

-# *i meant "announced", not "allowed"

[dense compass]

I too would like to see smaller more consistent updates, even if one new aircraft is released. Most people don't 100% look forward to 100% of the things that are in a large update most of the time it's one or two things they use or like that they wanted to see added or fixed. That's just my personal experience.

[sand jacinth]

also the one exception to this is for themed updates
the warships are notorious for being withheld until the update was ready to roll out

[bold fog]

this last update was like some cool helis, one or two cool planes, and then a boatload of sukhoi fighters probably put together with home depot phillips head screws

[dense compass]

Also an investigation needs to be done into the C-17's anomalous effects. I think this is the second time someone has released work on a C-17 remodel since it was remodeled a few years ago, and they've gone silent as well.

[bold fog]

i feel like the helis and the fighters could’ve been two separate updates with a bunch of bug fixes and those two individual planes split

[sand jacinth]

all those tsel aircraft are probably coming after the next update

[sand jacinth]

IIRC (not sure) those sukhois were meant to be released with the Wings of Red Star 2 update, but were released anyway because it had been too long

[bold fog]

i heard it was because they couldn’t “find a good enough reference for the landing gear” and since the unrealistic game cannot fathom eyeballing and having a slightly unrealistic model they just called it quits

[bold fog]

ohh gotcha

[dense compass]

That is incredibly funny considering how many aircraft in game have pretty blatant physical mistakes on them or are configured in an odd manner/float when on the ground. Though I can 100% understand a very good modeler not wanting to release work that they know is not up to their standards.

[last tusk]

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[bold fog]

i just don’t understand it because the devs say themselves the game isn’t supposed to be realistic

[dense compass]

ah well

so the thing is it's a quality control issue not a realism issue

[bold fog]

but then they turn around and say less doors = less passengers because of “safety standards irl” and deny a really cool concept aircraft just because a paper model wasn’t built of it

[dense compass]

every modeler is different and has different skill levels and levels of care for the work they do

[bold fog]

they have so so so so many other issues with quality assurance that the model accuracy of aircraft should be the absolute least of their concerns

[dense compass]

again every modeler is different

and I'm pretty sure quality control is on an individual basis especially on the military side

[dense compass]

also that's an excuse for concepts not taking precendent over aircraft that are real and should be worked on

Honestly I don't really see how anybody can have time for 1000 passenger "found and explained" paper aircraft when there are tons of real designs that have flown but that is my very personal opinion on the matter.

[fierce beacon]

a update that is ready for release

[timber hamlet]

this

[dense compass]

yep

[tranquil current]

Uh no? Aussie started it just recently

[dense compass]

Nevermind the plenty of aircraft in game that are asked by the community for a remodel routinely.

There's always something to do, so the question is where do aircraft that do not exist fit into the picture?

[tranquil current]

Also reminds me of Automobilista 2 poll where instead of bug fixes and features players voted for just more cars

[tranquil current]

Personally, there’s shit ton of games where you can fly same 306003406949203952904 variants of single Airbus, but how many games do you know that have for example Mitsubishi Spacejet? Or HS.141? Or Sukhoi T-4 Sotka?

[dense compass]

well the spacejet and T-4 sotka left the drawing board

I'm not use about the HS.141

[tranquil current]

Missing the point

[dense compass]

the distinction I was making was with paper and real aircraft

[bold fog]

real designs often get ignored and/or denied anyway actually wtf are we talking about there hasn't been a new large airliner in forever

[dense compass]

not with prototypes and production aircraft

[tranquil current]

Rice Boeings/Airbuses:

Also no one denies real aircrafts

[dense compass]

true while the hypermachsonicstar lives

[tranquil current]

Except blatant Nazi shit I don’t recall any denied real planes

[dense compass]

the injustice lives on eternally/j

[tranquil current]

Hypermach can NOT be used as an excuse because we all hate it as of now as well, it’s a plane from a different time period and vision of a game

[bold fog]

what's wrong with the hypermach

[tranquil current]

Everything

[bold fog]

it qualifies based on the modern rules of aircraft suggestion

[tranquil current]

Except it doesn’t

[fierce beacon]

Can we remove the Hypermach and replace it with Ye-155

[dense compass]

But the point that I'm making which I'm not sure is in contention with either of yours is that there are plenty of real planes, interesting planes with far more history than something on paper, that aren't in game or need a remodel. Where do paper aircraft fit into the game if one says real aircraft with more history should take precendent over those that aren't?

[tranquil current]

I’d wish

[tranquil current]

How much paper planes have you seen as of late

[dense compass]

We can remove the hypermach and replace it with coal

[tranquil current]

I’m curious

I can bring up you a full list of all planes added in 2024 you wouldn’t count even 10 of them

[dense compass]

if x = the amount of paper planes in game

we have x too many/j

[tranquil current]

Saying that game changed its focus to paper stuff is in fact false

And that having 10-1 ratio of real/project are destructive to the game

[dense compass]

My personal opinion is that is was a mistake to set the precendent of allowing them, but that's just my opinion.

[fierce beacon]

How is it a mistake? Almost no other games does it

[tranquil current]

So let’s just be as any regular plane game without no unique things

[fierce beacon]

We found our niche

[dense compass]

the hypermach sonicstar lives/j

there is no worse reality than this

[tranquil current]

Didn’t I just told you not use it as an example

[dense compass]

do you know about tone indicators?

[bold fog]

this is also a good point
denying cool paper aircraft is so lame why would you NOT want your game to be unique

[tranquil current]

This

[dense compass]

your game can be unique and also not have paper planes

because there are WELL more than enough real planes out there that aren't in any game

[bold fog]

the only thing unique about aeronautica is a. the amount of aircraft and b. the extremely heavy focus on economy rather than flight sim

[tranquil current]

What buzzes me the most is how each project/paper plane raises controversy EACH TIME they even mentioned while still having ratio so below it’s barely noticeable

[bold fog]

only one of those are an absolutely good thing

[dense compass]

because it could have been something that has flown

instead of a paper plane

[tranquil current]

… and it still being added in much bigger amount, what’s your problem

[dense compass]

the point is that we don't need paper aircraft to achieve uniqueness

[tranquil current]

I get it that you want some plane that wasn’t added yet, doesn’t mean we should drop everything else

[dense compass]

in fact that is my point why drop real designs that haven't been added yet for those that do not exist

[bold fog]

if your point is that they do that, i don't think they do that

[tranquil current]

Cooler more unique being cancelled due to budget or bureaucracy but being promising designs, maybe?

[tranquil current]

And we don’t, which is exactly why I’m not getting the point of convo

[bold fog]

yea non-real aircraft get denied constantly

i wish they weren't

idk how we went from that to this

[tranquil current]

I don’t recall myself going “meh I gonna scrap E-7 cuz I like this one pooperfarten 20000 from some magazine”

[tranquil current]

And it’s still bad for some people apparently

[dense compass]

that's not how that works it just means they're occupied and won't pick a real aircraft to develop

the development time creating a new plane in blender configuring and testing it is all being spent on something that never flew

[tranquil current]

T-4MS which are first project plane in half a year if not more had to be fought for to be added with other higher ups with so many reasonings and conditions for it being added that it’s almost ridiculous

[dense compass]

the fundamental question is

do you value paper planes as much as you do real ones?

[tranquil current]

..

Are you

Like

[dense compass]

if you can't answer that's fine

[tranquil current]

Even reading what I was saying all this time

[dense compass]

Yes.

[bold fog]

carry

[tranquil current]

There’s 5 project planes on 150 for the last YEAR alone, what do you think, we value projects more than real planes?

[bold fog]

they don't do fictional aircraft really

the only ones they have done are some badge planes here and there

[dense compass]

this is a personal question

not one that has to do with the aeronautica development program as a whole

[tranquil current]

I value real planes more, I make real planes more, I make shit ton of variants for them, but I do love projects as well and having them is also nice touch and I want to be able to make them, yes

[dense compass]

Alright

[tranquil current]

And that’s exactly why they’re badges, I’m almost certain it was done to just somehow allow it in those strict rules (also to not limit real planes to badges that happened before with Seastar or Seahornet)

It was settled before me so I can’t be sure 100% but that’s my guess

[bold fog]

i still think they shouldn't be badge exclusive

i can fly real airliners in like every flight sim, i wanna be able to fly fictional ones too, aeronautica could make itself the place to go for cool fictional aircraft

[tranquil current]

I think it can be redone in a way gacha games doing that (lemme explain), where you can have reruns of exclusive characters from previous patched

[bold fog]

but it's too hellbent on being "realistic" (when it's not) so they don't get added

[tranquil current]

But good luck convincing everyone else

Because guess what, there’s literally 3 people in whole dev staff who actually enjoys projects

And apparently it’s still a problem

[bold fog]

so like who cares what the players think then
it's y'alls game just add what you want

[dense compass]

literally 1984

[bold fog]

what calvin said but 🧇

[tranquil current]

Well we’re not the only people who plays it yk

[dense compass]

though I doubt we're arguing at all really

[tranquil current]

It’s a convo yeah

[dense compass]

you all value real planes to a higher degree than those that are not real and are summed up by drawings

[sand jacinth]

aggressively agreeing on every topic

[tranquil current]

Yea

[bold fog]

also if players don't like fictional aircraft they can just... not fly them

[tranquil current]

Which is why I’m confused why there’s still a problem with sometimes added project planes

[dense compass]

All of my caveats are rather personal on the matter and I'll leave you to your specific opinions as well.

[bold fog]

i don't like sukhoi fighters, i don't complain about them getting added though

[tranquil current]

Like cmon it’s barely a fraction of planes being added

[bold fog]

i just don't fly them

[sand jacinth]

[tranquil current]

It’s so minuscule you can barely see them in vehicle database (just don’t open SST category )

[dense compass]

not even Su-31?

[tranquil current]

It’s not a fighter

[bold fog]

thats an aerobatic isn't it

[dense compass]

don't say that it's a fighter to me😭/j

[bold fog]

super tacano moment

[dense compass]

real

[tranquil current]

Strap some UB-32 to Su-31

[dense compass]

anyhow yes to updates being small enough that they contain even one aircraft

[sand jacinth]

meh

[bold fog]

smaller/more frequent updates would be good for timing updates

[tranquil current]

Giving complexity of updates it’s not uh… what word I should use… reasonable? To update game for a single plane

[bold fog]

we could've had a christmas update for 2024 but eh

[tranquil current]

I still like idea of theme updates more

Something Aussie is doing rn

[sand jacinth]

i can see the argument for smaller update, but 1 plane updates would feel kinda cheap

[bold fog]

maybe not ONE plane

but like not 16

[sand jacinth]

yea this is looking to be absolutely fire

[dense compass]

less cheap more like being able to bring more attention to the effort put into bringing that one aircraft to market

[bold fog]

like 3-5 planes/aircraft per update and more focus on bug fixes and non-aircraft changes to the game

[dense compass]

it should be a celebration every time

[bold fog]

cough sound design cough

[sand jacinth]

but if the updates are too small it becomes less of a celebration, more of a "oh ok, new ping"

[dense compass]

that's fair

[bold fog]

i haven't really seen any celebration for updates

[sand jacinth]

you haven't seen the chats within the few hours following the big themed updates then

[bold fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sand jacinth]

personally i feel like people are way more hyped when a big, themed update releases

[tranquil current]

Yep

[dense compass]

because this game unfortunately has a rather specific problem of seasonal crowds

[tranquil current]

Noticed with Udyana and VTOLs updates

[sand jacinth]

and setting "smaller, frequent updates" as a policy would probably be incompatible with this

[dense compass]

like shivers warthunder

[sand jacinth]

every game has this

it's nigh impossible to achieve perfect replayability

[bold fog]

aeronautica is a grind though
grindy games benefit with more frequent updates because people tend to leave grindy games more

richer players who have like everything they want don't really have a reason to come back after updates

[tranquil current]

Or you can add shit ton of stuff for people to grind a lot again

[sand jacinth]

some games like TF2 have done it
for most games, player count is dictated by updates

[bold fog]

NO

[sand jacinth]

that's a normal cycle of life for games

[dense compass]

true but there is a point where the phenomena becomes something that is relied upon

[bold fog]

like cool lemme fly and upgrade these aircraft and oops i'm done after a month so time to wait for the next update and play something else

[tranquil current]

It’s uh… usual?

I mean every game I play is like that

[bold fog]

well you want to avoid that generally

[tranquil current]

GTA0, NFSU… Genshin

[bold fog]

at least in the perspective of game design

[tranquil current]

Well yeah

But that’s not something achievable when you’re just a party of volunteers

[bold fog]

yes it's a passion project but is one of the passions not to have a really big and widespread game

[sand jacinth]

do you know of a game, remotely similar in genre to aeronautica, that avoids this ?

[tranquil current]

It’s barely achievable with jobs on payroll, let alone volunteer like Aero

[dense compass]

in genre that's most payware flight sims

[bold fog]

a flight game? no because there's like 2 of those ever

[dense compass]

but no

not really

[bold fog]

especially on roblox

[dense compass]

the indie crowd is the opposite of this espeically for cult classics

far less of a gradient between player counts

[tranquil current]

I’d say we do have a problems, a lot, occasional paper plane once a half a year isn’t one of them imo

[dense compass]

When an update comes out I check to see if the planes I fly frequently have been remodeled or if one I've been waiting for is out.

I fly regardless because I don't play for novelty

[bold fog]

i'm more excited to see what other features they add

[dense compass]

features too

[bold fog]

planes are cool and all but there's a lot of those already, i want better sound design, customization features on existing planes, etc.

[dense compass]

I've been flying a lot more since the waypoint/flightplan system was added

[bold fog]

aka reasons to fly the hundreds of aircraft in the game

[tranquil current]

Same, can’t wait when fly and hyper will add their stuff they were cooking recently

[sand jacinth]

what has hyperant been cooking

[tranquil current]

[sand jacinth]

or have i missed #dev-showcase posts

[bold fog]

cough fucking turboprops cough

still waiting for the sound redesign on those

[sand jacinth]

nope

[humble plank]

It's been on the trello since 2022

[tranquil current]

What specifically

[sand jacinth]

some of it yes, some of it no

[tranquil current]

None of the carrier group stuff Aussie were doing is old besides Kiev class

[humble plank]

well

on his list yes

[sand jacinth]

the ships in Future Vehicles

[humble plank]

but some other ships

[sand jacinth]

have been in limbo for a long time

[humble plank]

like the Kirov and Bismarck

have been there a looooong time

its still there

[tranquil current]

Ships were delayed because no jobs for military ships, then we ran a vote and people voted to add them without jobs

Did it made it better?

Now they’re useless piles of pixels for millions of currency

[humble plank]

you ran a vote a year or two after they'd been backstocked

at that point

[sand jacinth]

cool-looking piles of pixels

[tranquil current]

Because we didn’t wanted to release half baked content?

[humble plank]

Its not half baked is it

even with no jobs

[tranquil current]

Well either way we got a lot of complains they’re not ready which is unsurprising

[humble plank]

Whats taking military jobs so long regardless

we've gotten like 10 different jobs in the meanwhile

[sand jacinth]

no offense but i feel like i'll have a PhD before military jobs are complete

[tranquil current]

It’s kinda half baked when ship in grind game can’t even pay for itself

[humble plank]

Fair enough

[sand jacinth]

not enough coding devs AFAIK

[tranquil current]

Pretty much

[timber hamlet]

bigger fish to fry as well

[sand jacinth]

fly is cooking with QoL updates

[sand jacinth]

what 10 jobs

[bold fog]

idk who greenlit that poll, regardless of what players thought they shouldn't have been added until they had jobs

[tranquil current]

SAR stuff fly added

[sand jacinth]

yea that is really cool

[humble plank]

Medical evacuations, patient transport, fjord runs, maritime patrol, MSAR and SAR, random sightseeing

Finals weeks

[sand jacinth]

as far as i remember though, that's kinda it

[bold fog]

ironically i've only seen people complain about them not having jobs which means a lot of the people who voted "yes add them now" either don't play the game frequently or they just wanted something now now now and then got mad when they got it now now now

[tranquil current]

I mean, setting new spot for runs or sightseeing/SAR is not the same as to recode full job for a new class of vehicles

[sand jacinth]

everything apart from SAR/medevac is a reskin of another existing job
also where are the maritime patrols

[fierce beacon]

Most of those are based on coding we already had in game im pretty sure

[tranquil current]

Also not everyone is on Discord

So they could just dont know about it

[bold fog]

yes that absolutely

[fierce beacon]

A lot of people voted no too

[bold fog]

this game is too dependant on "go to our discord for literally everything"

[humble plank]

I mean

I voted yes

[tranquil current]

Well to be fair Roblox isn’t really friendly with in game announcements

[bold fog]

idek how the game is still up with a discord link pasted inside because i've been banned 4 separate times on roblox for my own game having a discord code

[humble plank]

knowing full well they wont come with jobs

[bold fog]

like ??

[fierce beacon]

A lot of Roblox games are like that

[sand jacinth]

i stand by my vote

[fierce beacon]

Its just the most convenient

And who doesnt have discord these days

[sand jacinth]

[bold fog]

roblox bias on small creators is insane

[tranquil current]

Afaik you can have discord link in group but not in game itself

[humble plank]

its odd

[tranquil current]

DykeCarl

[sand jacinth]

:zzzzbrhsje

[humble plank]

they let you add discord links to the group page

but not to the game

[tranquil current]

Yep

[humble plank]

also this poll summoned hyperant not once but twice

[tranquil current]

Thrice

[humble plank]

so it has to be worth a shot right

[bold fog]

roblox tos states that you have to use their inbuilt features (like social links) because they can hide them for under 13 users
so yeah pasting it in game is bannable and can get the game taken down

[tranquil current]

He was typing but didn’t sent

[timber hamlet]

im not putting this up for a poll

no thank you

[bold fog]

speak, thine creator

oh

[humble plank]

welp

I mean

[timber hamlet]

as i said in the very beginning

thats not how it works

[tranquil current]

How you imagine updates tho

[humble plank]

it would be nice to know how it does tho

otherwise you get this

[tranquil current]

frequency, topic, theme centered or random

I’m curious

[humble plank]

me making a poll suggestion for updates

another dudes voting on a game they dont play for vehicles without jobs

or alternatively backing away on something they voted to be added themselves

[timber hamlet]

it depends on whether it is feasible at the time or not to have it high frequency or low frequency

right now it is the latter end as we still work on the patch/qol update

after that we will see

[humble plank]

how does this fit in with your other games

becasue you are pretty busy

[bold fog]

can i do the sound design for the game pls i want better turobprops

[timber hamlet]

your funeral

[bold fog]

funeral

:3

[tranquil current]

I believe Aiden does sound thingies so you could discuss this with them

They’re not much active lately tho

[bold fog]

i joke but i legitimately would like to help with better engine sounds for a lot of planes

so

[clear wave]

forgot to answer you ingame but

technically it would be possible however its not something weve actually done before

(in regards to sound devs)

[clear wave]

we dont have a backstocked list lmfao

infact i had to make a brand new backstocked list to organise this update a week ago

[bold fog]

well is there any specific way aeronautica's sound is engineered or does it just plainly consist of sound ids

[clear wave]

the actual audio is sound ids but the game makes like transitions and stuff between ids

so its both ig

[bold fog]

yea i figured
that shouldn't be hard to work with as long as there's some way to preview sounds

[clear wave]

yea

in order to get hired as a sound guy id say the process would be similar to our music guy

[bold fog]

not every plane in the game needs a unique sound either i just wanna give the ones that can have one, one
as well as making the generic sound for all non-special aircraft better overall

[clear wave]

like you would have to organise it with a lead dev or sth 🤷‍♂️

best asking rice if youre genuinely interested

[clear wave]

yea thats fair

some audios are a bit

questionable

[bold fog]

i messaged aiden like enclaved mentioned but no response
probably not supposed to dm or he's just busy so expected

should i dm or ping in server first when asking lol

[clear wave]

yea aidens pretty busy and inactive nowadays

itd be best to ping rice

i dont think rice checks dms so

either way youd still probably have to wait for a contractor class

which im hoping is sooner rather than later

[graceful wyvern]

rice checks his dms if you ping him here beforehand

[clear wave]

true

[graceful wyvern]

or at the very least let him know about something

[bold fog]

dunno what that means tbh

[clear wave]

contractor applications

basically you make some stuff for a month and if its good it gets added and you can become contributor

[bold fog]

ooooooooh gotcha

[clear wave]

from there contributors eventually become devs

[bold fog]

well its worth a shot

[bold fog]

that's eat_ric right
i haven't seen them referred to as rice until looking it up in the server lol

[slim steppe]

contractor class?

[slim steppe]

yes thats rice

[bold fog]

ty lol

[dawn talon]

Boston in aero when

[bold fog]

shot missed

tantrum

[clear wave]

yes

[arctic dock]

I'd rather keep big updates, leave small updates for bugs and patch fixes

Manforce in developing is small, not every 3d Developer there can create new aircrafts in a week

Albeit slicing larger updates into few parts could be good too, leave the best for last ofc

[desert musk]

Priviet communism

https://tenor.com/view/comunisto-dogo-gif-15433861177915232836

[desert musk]

[humble plank]

So there is an update being organized

thats good to know

[clear wave]

whole update list has been sent here like twice already

[fierce beacon]

can you send it one more time just to make sure

[sand jacinth]

[fierce beacon]

i missed it can you send it again

[clear wave]

how do people get the most up to date version when it gets buried in liveries in like 5 seconds

💀

[humble plank]

There's people like us

who are desperately waiting for the warships

[sand jacinth]

imma be honest

im really excited for this update

so once in a while i search from:assermilitar 100%

[clear wave]

great to know

[clear wave]

oh fair lol

[sand jacinth]

also i just woke up and foxbat