Shenyang Anjian UCAV

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The Shenyang Anjian (Dark Sword) is a stealth, supersonic UAV being developed for the Chinese for air-superiority. Uniquely, the Dark Sword has been considered for a newly developed technology known as “Loyal Wingman,” Which involves the UCAV being paired with a J-20. Currently it appears that a full-scale model has been created, however any other information about the UCAV hasn’t surfaced.

Stats:
Combat range: 1,000 km (620 mi, 540 nmi)
Maximum speed: 1,234 km/h (767 mph, 666 kn)

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666 kn 💀

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looks like a hypersonic aircraft at first

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By supersonic they mean it goes 10 knots over the sound barrier

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mach 1 flat

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depends on atmospheric conditions 🤓

but generally around 667 kt if talking ground speed

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In this case the harrier is supersonic because with no payload and perfect atmospheric condtions it can kiss the sound barrier on deck, anyway im not going to complain, this is a cool drone

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anything can go supersonic if youre brave enough

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A380

Once accidentally did in aero when I was descending from a cruise, I took too sharp of a dive, but I recovered before overspeed finished me

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*holy sh#t is that the..... the...the..b...bbootleg darkstar *

man i will need this sh#t

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More like bootleg irl ADF-11

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i mean they didnt made a bootleg darkstar these damn chinese

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China trying not to make a bootleg copy of something Russian or American challenge (impossible)

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meanwhile the Romania trying not to make aircrafts under licenced or under joinventure challenge {impossible}

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Tbf they probably can’t afford to do domestic projects

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ik

we so weak af

😔

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Before a war starts just steal everything

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i mean thats the plan

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What in the holy secretprojectsforum

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Shush

And Wikipedia*

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Dimensions

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Man I always hate these sentiments

especially when people talk about Chinese Flankers

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it literally is a copy tho

it used to be made from russian kits but at then china just started making their own

and there was a spy that helped steal info on american fighters and the c17

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def not darkstar

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Like you can NOT tell me this was not copied

China so desperate its copying australia (bottom one is australian mq-28 ghost bat)

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Yeah but it’s true, China has Vehicles so similar that you cannot say they just copied them.

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Externally Chinese Flankers looks similar to Russian ones

Internally? It has wayyyy more Israeli influence than Russian

The Harbin is based on the S-70

Lavi had nothing to do with J-10, J-10 came from the J-9 program (also J-20)

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I wonder where the s-70 comes from....

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I wasn't denying that they used the S-70 for the Harbin

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Lavi definitely had atleast some influence on the j-10, since it came around the time that the j-9 was cancelled and j-10 development started

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That’s going to be a pretty much guaranteed outcome though, if they can’t copy internal stuff, they just put their own (maybe also bootleg) stuff as a replacement

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it's because russian avionics are dogshit

Who wants a fucking radar that can only track a single target?????

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they had licensed Flankers from Russia themselves why would they bother copying things they already have

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The Lavi had 0 influence with the J-10

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Licensed vehicles is different than blatantly copied vehicles

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How is it blatantly copy when the tail, nose, internals, hell even some parts of the wings are different?

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By that standard the F-4E should be considered an entirely different aircraft to the F-4A

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Does that make the F-15EX a copy of an F-15E when it has slightly changed internals, doesn't come with the pods under the fuselage and can't carry bombs?

All I'm saying is that the Chinese Flankers ain't copy, just different iterations of Flankers made to hit their performance targets

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How are they different flanker iterations when they are goddamn different aircraft, the j-15 barely has any tech from the j-11 which IS a license built version of the flanker, the j-15 is a completely different aircraft that did not stem from the flanker family but instead was reversed engineered with chinese technology from a ukranian purchased su-33, without russian permission, so its not a variant it is a literal copy

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Yeah and they were not supposed to add their own shit to the Flanker design

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And if we put this ideology to use, then the beriev s-13 is a soviet legal variant of the u-2 made to reach soviet performance targets

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Yeah thats how copying works

You have to copy off of something

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Exactly

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Yeah, there were so many modifications that they could have made to improve the issues of the su-33, but no same design and fuck it they ball

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If youre talking about how they copied off the S-70 instead of an actual UH-60

bro thats not much better

Idk about China but some "S-70"s were actually just export UH-60s called S-70s

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Yeah, it's like saying the j-10 was copied off the eurofighter typhoon instead of the lavi

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No because the F-15EX at least actually came from the same company that made the F-15E (or the one that bought them)

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How has this became a debate about copying aircraft

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Neo warfare X suggestion rules flashbacks intensify

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Like... what? The Su-33 always had required canards to increase lift, they never wanted them outside of the fact it wouldn't take-off without the canards

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huh? why?

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Replying to this and your message above, canards are not the only thing that can be externally changed, the su-33 had many flaws, yet when reverse engineering many of these evident flaws were left, such as its large size (highly inadequate for operating of the kutznetsov and both chinese carriers)

The fact that many of the fuselage related flaws were kept just shows how much they tried to copy off the design

Also canards were never a flaw

They did want them

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the canards worsen LERX performance

J-16 had those removed

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But improve manoeuvrability and stall speed

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the canards are non-controllable

they quite literally move to the direction of the wind

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Does the j-16 need to operate on a ship with a small runway in the middle of bumfuck nowhere

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they don't increase any kind of maneuverability

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Even then they still are not that much of a hindrance

They may not be too useful outside of takeoff and landing, but they are not such a big problem

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also what? reducing the size????

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whuh? They've operated on both Shandong and Liaoning

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Russia said no

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wait what's the reaction image

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an emoji

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no not that

I'm trying to find an emoji wait

could not find it

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Ima be real if Russia said no to something you do it's probably a good thing

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still copying

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copy and evolve ig

at least it doesn't have Mech or Zhuk

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what

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N010 or N001 radar

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crazy

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Exactly, but not favourable conditions

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all aircraft on STOBAR does

price to pay to operate on STOBAR

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You just contradicted your point of it being a big hindrance

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it's not an incredibly large hindrance

it's there but the main theater is close enough they could just operate from land

+they're already used to it anyways

Fujian and Type 004 are the main objectives they're looking at currently

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Yep, although they are keeping the canards for the j-15 CATOBAR variant

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J-15T yeah

probably in-case of emergencies

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Because those parts are all bolted to an extremely similar fuselage

“Yeah bro you can copy my homework just change it up a bit so that no one begins to suspect”

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Quite odd...

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Yep already posted these

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aw...

also:

fr*nch

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And probably will do on any chinese air force suggestion

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LOL

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China being China

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apologies

they stole the russian hull and the israeli cockpit

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like genuinely i cannot tell some of these aparts with the flags cropped

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I can with most but KJ-600 is really just an E-2

J-15 I can only tell from paint scheme

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french* (i support the french)

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...do you even know what "internally" meant?

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ignoring the massive trolley emoji

the only meaning i know of that word within the context of aircraft design is for internal weapons bay

otherwise it could refer to the cockpits, electronics, radar, fuel tank placement ...

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well it's more to the avionics