Rockwell XFV-12

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The Rockwell XFV-12 was a prototype supersonic United States Navy fighter which was built in 1977. The XFV-12 design attempted to combine the Mach 2 speed and AIM-7 Sparrow armament of the McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II in a VTOL (vertical takeoff and landing) fighter for the small Sea Control Ship which was under study at the time. On paper, it looked superior to the subsonic Hawker Siddeley Harrier attack fighter. Ground testing of the XFV-12A began in July 1977, and the aircraft was officially rolled out at the Rockwell International facility in Columbus, Ohio on 26 August. Due to increasing costs, construction of the second prototype was abandoned.
Tethered hover tests were conducted in 1978. Over the course of six months, it was determined that the XFV-12A design suffered from major deficiencies with regard to vertical flight, especially a lack of sufficient vertical thrust.

General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 43 ft 11 in (13.39 m)
Wingspan: 28 ft 6.25 in (8.6932 m)
Height: 10 ft 4 in (3.15 m)
Wing area: 293 sq ft (27.2 m2)
Empty weight: 13,800 lb (6,260 kg)
Gross weight: 19,500 lb (8,845 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 24,250 lb (11,000 kg)
Fuel capacity: 2,763 L (730 US gal; 608 imp gal) in two fuselage bladder tanks and two integral wing tanks
Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney F401-PW-400 afterburning turbofan engine, 30,000 lbf (130 kN) with afterburner

Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.2-2.4
Thrust/weight: 1.5 (conventional)

Armament
Guns: 1 20 mm M61 Vulcan cannon, 639 rounds
Missiles: 2 AIM-7 Sparrow (carried under fuselage) and 2 AIM-9L Sidewinder AAMs or 4 AIM-7s

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this would be cool

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Avengers ahh plane

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This is like the 8th time this has been suggested

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Real

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3rd

I actually checked

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3 more in #vehicle-suggestions

Also all suggestion threads in the new channel were once accidentally deleted

So prob suggested at least one time between then

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Hmm

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claim this when u finish ch-53
otherwise ill take over it

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nah I’m not taking this

Looks like a pain to model

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aero devs when they have to model anything that isn't a cylinder with 2 triangles poking out on either side

https://tenor.com/view/play-dead-freeze-im-tripping-star-wars-r2d2-gif-17868688

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You model it then

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if i knew how to i would

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I mean

Isn’t that literally every airliner

A cylinder with some sticks

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exactly my point

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Airliner

Everything else unique

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aero devs when the 230th 747 variant needs to be made:

https://tenor.com/view/running-gif-25163042

same devs when they have to make a helicopter of which's tail has a slight lean to the left:

https://tenor.com/view/run-away-oops-post-malana-lol-gif-16163451

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Try making a helicopter

Helicopters in general are hell to make

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if i could, i would

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You can preach when you have tried

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(I made boats and cars)

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007978649082941481/1246492981754859520/convert.gif

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i genuinely cannot say why modeling a helicopter is any different than modeling any other aircraft

considering we have almost 60 helicopters in the game

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i don't think it's impossible

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If it was easier you would reckon there would be more helicopters

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also the amount of advanced customization most helicopters could have is ridiculous

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that's a choice from the devs

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like the entire poly count of the base aircraft

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i don't care about advanced customization

i'm talking about the helicopter as a base

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Point is that they are more complex

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Are you everyone

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from a modeling standpoint you doofus..

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again

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that's a developer choice to make them complex

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If you leave out popular customizations your aircraft probably won’t get into the game

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remind me of how many aircraft don't have customization options?

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Those are old models

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(almost 45%)

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all new aircraft have many

Nearly every single modern vehicle

Even the Elam

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@tender meteor is it necessary for my aircraft to have 70 advanced customization options, 20 unique conversions and cater to every single one of the 15 million players that have enjoyed aeronautica?

for it to be accepted ingame

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No

but for most aircraft some adv is expected

the overkill like that is a enclaved and rice only thing

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@mild remnant there you go

as said by life himself

enclaved and rice are purposefully adding tons of customizations, just because they want to

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adv is expected

most helicopters have complex customizations

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advanced customization is expected, having as much as enclaved's helicopters is just because they want to

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Regardless

Most helicopters are very unique compared to planes which are tubes with wings

excluding fighter jets

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helicopter tend to have smaller parts that you need to model like the base of the rotors

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^

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Or exposed engines

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that doesn't make it a pain in the ass

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It’s still more annoying

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Plus helicopters are also used a lot less than airplanes, so couple that with being more annoying to create and that’s why there’s only 60 compared to 500+ airplanes

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nobody's gonna use it anyways so who cares about the model quality

jk jk

obviously that's stupid

but i think my main point stands

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devs keep making a bug fuss over the slightest of details on vehicles because it's gonna be a bit harder to model

we have vehicles that are WAY more detailed than that in-game, what's one more* gonna hurt?

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when you’re actually making the vehicle you sometimes have that “ah shit” moment when you forget a tiny detail

So it’s kinda natural to want to avoid making overly complex vehicles for that reason

More detail = more “ah shit” moments

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it's a part of modeling

that's just something you have to endure

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Have you actually endured it

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artists make mistakes and have to start all over

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you're literally hired into the staff modeling team because you make good models

it's to be expected that you can deal and manage "ah shit" moments

that's literally the reason you got accepted

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What

suspicious cat

I wish

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if you make a good enough model and you contribute to the game then you might get accepted into the modeling team

making a good model = dealing with moments

so

you're expected to be able to deal with moments

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Yea the other thing tho is

More complex vehicle = longer creation time and more complex UV map

What would a UV for the XFV12 look like

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you don't really have any real time crunches to make a vehicle for the next update

you can take your time with it

there are dozens of backstocked vehicles

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Alr

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you're not being rushed by anyone other than the doofuses that want a vehicle sooner (which should be ignored for the most part anyways)

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https://tenor.com/view/of-course-i-know-him-they're-me-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-15219886167814879581

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the jetstar remodel was teased 2 months ago and it's been backlogged because the developer "has no motivation for it right now"

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Jk

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happens

Welp I go do other stuff now
(Helicopters suck ass)

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my point being

there's no rush to make a model

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Absolutely expected especially variants and armaments

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Don't forget me with my su-17

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Not really annoying for us devs, getting the model references are annoying and would take us longer than modelling and texturing it

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We have this thing called "no ones gonna know" if they don't know or haven't researched about that plane

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Me, Randy and Rice level of advs shouldn’t be an example tbf

We’re doin it this way because there’s no other way

Or what you’d prefer we had all 18 Flankers as separate models?

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We also have this rule called everything must be made

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I just have a lot of stuff I like and too much free time

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If u made it, make it future proof to prevent remodelling

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Aye

Cuz like pretty much anyone adding stuff afterwards

Like Najmi for example

I don’t wanna rework it 1950302 times just make it good once even if it means delays in release

Either way, on the topic of suggestion - Yesnt

I like it I might do it

If I’ll not forget

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Najmi remodelling the aw helicopter done messed up my liveries, which is why sometimes id leave some space in the uv map in case I add something like the j-22/iar93 where I still got to add the canards and whiskers on the map

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When su-17, or finish su-7 first

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This also

One of the reason I’m making all at once

Look at Flankers or Hawks

You can use livery from one to another and it’s totally compatible

For a little sake of quality since a lot of stuff packed into one

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Yeah with the odd wing structure this would seem tough to model

The cockpit and nose however is that of the A-4s and some of the fuselage is the F-4s

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in all honesty, everything on the plane looks fairly simple to model, its the gears and intakes for me that find difficult

giving devs a closeup ref of gears and maybe cross section blueprint is the greatest gift u can give to devs

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Ok I will try and find some

For gear these are the best I could find

Also on the position of wings during different flight modes

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cheese grater wing

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what is the plane based off?
get the gear of that plane instead of this bluryy ahh image

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A-4 and F-4

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nah ace combot looking ahh

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Valid train of thought