#A Complete (comprehensive) Revamp of the Ekranoplan/GEV Class.

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hallow crystal
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Ekranoplans, right? fun little (ok maybe some not little shock) guys, everyone loves them! they're so cool and based, but in-game they.... uhh well saying the "suck" is an understatement, i am here to change that, by providing a comprehensive revamp of the entire ekranoplan/gev system, which will include a complete rework of the flight, along with a new tutorial/training for the class, which due to how they work, should be a separate one from other classes.

Sadly, due to the discord's character limit for suggestions being 2000, the actual suggestion and its entire explanation will be sent as a separate message, great

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EKRANOPLAN FLIGHT REWORK

GEVs, as the name suggests, have flight be possible through the ground effect, this makes it so that their flying behavior is significantly different than regular aircraft, being that they will fly in an almost completely straight position, using their gigantic horizontal stabilizers to yaw left and right so perform turns, this alone is already challenging to do, but the main reason i think they need a rework is simply for the actual effect itself, i truly believe that it's somewhat flawed as just setting the aircraft's altitude to be very low just makes the experience of flying them... boring, hard and underwhealming, a rework of this to better suit the ground effect feel would make GEV flying so much better and actually very fun!

EKRANOPLAN LICENSE AND TRAINING

GEVs having very different behavior from regular aircraft would require some sort of introduction to their controls, a training for this, much like other classes would be a great addition to the game and make it so that you can easily learn, and master the GEV flight, much like helicopters!!!

The A-90 should be used for this, the training will be given at Leovetsk, or alternatively Northachiev Experimental works, and have you fly around the entire russian island and return back to the docks at the same airport, this will not only teach you how to control their take off and landing mechanics, but as well as the flighr controls, managing your speed, and helping you understand the turning of the aircraft

EKRANOPLAN CLASS

The ekranoplan class, as suggested before, will be a separate class, they will be available after Jet Engines, requiring 25 hours o~f logged time in them, this will ensure that no "noobs" immediarely buy them and gets worked up at how hard it is to fly and wastes their cash and time.

EKRANOPOINTS Skrolled
a little shiposty, ekranoplans should rely on UP as normal

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MORE EKRANOPLANS
Obviously, the ekranoplan update needs to have ekranoplans!! By the way if you haven't noticed, i switch between GEV (Ground Effext Vehicle) and Ekranoplan (Ekranoplane), those 2 are the same and can be interchanged at will great. The game currently only has 2, with one or 2 others in the works, i was told that suggesting more vehicles specifically would count as bundling sggestions, which is mid, so i will maybe suggest them at other times, but i really hope that more are added, maybe all together in one huge update, maybe over-time

GEV JOB REWORK
Currently, GEVs get jobs exactly like seaplanes, which... have a few issues of their own, and carry them to GEVs, some of the airports in the game are completely unreachable, either being in the middle of bumfuck nowhere avalon, having no ports or being like 2 feet above sea level Holditin, a rework for this would be very much needed if more ekranoplans are added into the game, a good way for this would be to simply copy over the code from boat jobs to ekranoplans, so you don't accidentaly take a job to horata or smth, along with that, a buff to them would be essential, currently the KM has 80 capacity, but it gets jobs that are completely worthless, even with special multipliers.

CONCLUSION

I think that i managed to sum this up quite well, any questions can be freely asked and i will be ready to answer them, ask away!!! greatgreatgreat

mortal garnet
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SO MANY WORDS

hallow crystal
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(i also had to split that message in 2 waah)

hallow crystal
upbeat canopy
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i aint reading all that ill just say yes to whatever is better than what we got rn ekranoplan gameplay is ass

rocky trout
upbeat canopy
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good for you

hallow crystal
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flying an ekranoplan isn't very hard, it's just boring and sucky, i want to make it less boring and less sucky Dunno

rocky trout
formal lotus
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the poor alekseyev KM getting almost no recognition here 😭

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if they add more ground effect vehicles then yes absolutely
a rework of the way ground effect vehicles work is necessary but a rework that big shouldn't just be done for two vehicles

mortal garnet
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its called the ground effect

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where are the hovercrafts people

formal lotus
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hovercraft rework would also be nice but we need more than just the saunders roe first 😭

mortal garnet
formal lotus
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people would get upset that the cars aren't special anymore if they added hovercraft being able to go on land or smth i'm sure

hallow crystal
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(10+ yes reactions reached, self reaction limit passed, nobody will know now Scheme)

still jackal
hallow crystal
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last i recall i didn't see the Korabl Maket doing 20º banking for a turn aresonibilenam

still jackal
hallow crystal
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there's a reason it's turning radius is LITERALLY the entire caspian sea Holditin

still jackal
hallow crystal
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i meannnnnnnnn

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it

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very very small banking

still jackal
hallow crystal
# still jackal h

you can see the wing literally grazing the water, there's a reason they don't bank that much to make turns unless they need to avoid large obstacles aresonibilenam

still jackal
hallow crystal
bleak gazelle
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GREAT SUGGETION TBH

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caps

hallow crystal
# still jackal h

ok so i looked into it, for turns they do bank but they have to bak very very little due to the fact that the wing can strike the water, so they use the help of the rudder to turn during banks

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that makes sense

still jackal
still jackal
hallow crystal
still jackal
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And i still end up overshooting Clarence's entire apron & runway whenever i try to fly ACROSS the airport

hallow crystal
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the turning radius just

still jackal
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Yeah

hallow crystal
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too big still

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if you're gonna turn just hold A or D like 10km away from the place you wanna go and hope

still jackal
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On another note

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Someone did the silly several days ago

untold ember
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the bocch

hallow crystal
still jackal
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Even my livery makes me the less silly in this pic

still jackal
mortal garnet
still jackal
velvet frigate
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What about gyro rotors?

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I made up a new license of sorts

hallow crystal
velvet frigate
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but another licence idea, that i have

hallow crystal
velvet frigate
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okay

still jackal
hallow crystal
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the highest i've been with a km was mountain climbing the hill behind al tak

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hhe funny

sharp belfry
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Another issue with ekranoplans rn is that they can't make much use of the service ceiling fuel efficiency

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Perfectly holding altitude with either ekranoplan is virtually impossible, you will always slowly lose a little bit of altitude before regaining it

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In practice, ekranoplans will fluctuate between flying at 60% and 80% max altitude with decent micromanagement, and this quirk doesn't mix well with the already pretty low max range of them

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Ekranoplans just don't offer much right now, other than being awesome looking creatures and i'm all for buffs and/or reworks of them

hallow crystal
rare wing
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all those words and there is no specifics just "lol make it better"

hallow crystal
hallow crystal
rare wing
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EKRANOPLAN FLIGHT REWORK

GEVs, as the name suggests, have flight be possible through the ground effect, this makes it so that their flying behavior is significantly different than regular aircraft, being that they will fly in an almost completely straight position, using their gigantic horizontal stabilizers to yaw left and right so perform turns, this alone is already challenging to do, but the main reason i think they need a rework is simply for the actual effect itself, i truly believe that it's somewhat flawed as just setting the aircraft's altitude to be very low just makes the experience of flying them... boring, hard and underwhealming, a rework of this to better suit the ground effect feel would make GEV flying so much better and actually very fun!
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You dont actually specify here what you are looking for

hallow crystal
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that's scary sweating_cat

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twilit arrow
# still jackal Doesn't mean they turn using rudder

I think what he was saying is that most of the turning authority is coming from the rudder, they obviously bank to help, but it is not like most aircraft where they are exceeding 10-15 degrees of bank on a regular.

hallow crystal
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can you give me a few minutes to actually make something that isn't just "well idk make it better Dunno"

hallow crystal
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..or hour

hallow crystal
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FUCK I FORGOT ABOUT THIS aresonibilenam

hallow crystal
# rare wing ``` EKRANOPLAN FLIGHT REWORK GEVs, as the name suggests, have flight be possibl...

for a start, they fly exactly like an aircraft that had a low service ceiling, which is not how they work in real life, i want to suggest 2 changes to this, which will also suit perfectly with the fact that some GEVs have regular wings which allow them to fly outside of it

the Ground Effect Zone

The ground effect. as the name suggests, only happens near the ground (or water), so i think making a specific ground effect zone which will happen near the ground, a handful of meters only above it at max, this zone will act like a very efficient flight corridor, you will be able to gain speed much much faster, slow down much faster, as well as increasing the aircraft's fuel efficiency by a LOT, and you will be permanently locked to this area in GEVs that are only made for flying in that area, and you will have an option to toggle the aircraft's mode if you have a hybrid GEV, much like how a VTOL aircraft works

this may seem unbalanced, as it just makes you really really efficient while flying near the water, as a balance change for this, i was thinking of a major nerf to the durability/condition of the aircraft while using it, it'll basically work like an overspeed corridor, where you gain a massive increase in efficiency at the cost of not being able to fly for that long, as in real life, ekranoplans suffer a lot from seawater damage

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i really really wish i had paint rn to actually draw this waah

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anyways, change 2

the turning

Turning GEVs is... hell, it sucks in game and in real life, i suggest that, as a way to make the turning better, along with fitting with the ground effect, the aircraft while under the inflience of the ground effect, would only be able to turn using A or D for rudder, or with mouse controls in a leveled path

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basically, it would behave like a motorcycle

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it will lean into the turn softly, however there will be no effect in it's actual roll input, as the ekranoplans during the ground effect will be locked in rotation

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it should look something like this, although OBVIOUSLY much less exaggerated

hallow crystal
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for the first 100 knots, once they leave the water, they are slow and bulky

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but once they leave the water and gain altitude

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that's when the fun begins

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for the stalling part, a good way to change this is to make them behave somewhat like airships and helicopters, they can't stall, if you go above their max altitude they just gently fall back down to their max altitide, something similar to this could be implemented where if a GEV during the ground effect corridor accidentally leaves it, it will gently fall back a meter or so, instead of stalling, immediatelly losing 100 knots, pitching down and slamming itself into the ocean

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i really hopes that with this explanation, i've made myself clear of how i want GEVs to behave to make them usable, as well as fun to shit around with great

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i know that this will require a lot of resources, as well as time and coding expetience, and that is why i'm not asking for a simple revamp of the existing aircraft on a small patch, instead an entire update dedicated to GEVs, as a completely separate vehicle class and concept as a whole, much like the ships, an amazing way to split this update would be the following:

GEV pt1:

  • updates flight and GE corridor
  • new vehicles, ones designed to fly in the GE corridor ONLY
  • revamped jobs

GEV pt2:

  • New hybrid GEVs
  • required patches if GEVs are broken
  • job options designed for hybrid vehicles
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@rocky trout what do ya think of these changes and how can i improve them?

rocky trout
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Huh

hallow crystal
rocky trout
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Looks good

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What are you thinking the service celling would be?

rocky trout
hallow crystal
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correct

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remember

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this is catered towards new players that want to get into GEVs, not old ones that already know how to fly them

limpid wharf
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holy shit bro cooked

hallow crystal
rocky trout
hallow crystal
rocky trout
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I also feel like there should be a change on how the fuel efficiency is for GEV because it’s no fair being only a couple feet off the ground and you can barely get anywhere

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Like the whole point of GE is the fact that you are more efficient at very low altitudes

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Anyways I think this could be a good starter GEV, the DXF-100

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hallow crystal
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while in the GE corridor, you are significantly more efficient

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but while in the water. or outside it, your efficiency tanks

velvet frigate
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Tom's tottaly legitimate GEV?

trail siren
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No

rocky trout
trail siren
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why would that be TOM’s GEV

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it’s a real thing

velvet frigate
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Not that

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Its else

long shale
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*also this suggestion is an instant uncontested YES *

coarse relic
candid dragon
still jackal
rose needle
acoustic carbon
long shale
twilit arrow
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Tom’s totally legitimate GEV would be something like 2 seaplanes strapped together at the wings but with underpowered engines so it would be incapable of leaving ground effect.

twilit arrow
# hallow crystal this is catered towards *new* players that want to get into GEVs, not old ones t...

I think GEVs should require some skill to fly, but i do agree that when you leave ground effect, it should be more of a gentle descent back down, unless if you like pitch way up then it would just stall and fall back in the water. I definitely like where your head is at, because GEVs are NOT an airplane and really a class of their own, so making them function like that and be more useful would probably see them actually get used beyond just being a novelty item.

hallow crystal
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exactly

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they should be useful and not just hangar queens

hallow crystal
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Ok, so, seeing as this suggestion has gone a bit too long and complicated, split into several messages and a few conversations, i'm going to re-write the main few concepts i want changed/added into a single comprehensive message, easy to read, simple to understand, i'm only posting this message here while i go write the main one so i can remember to do it great

hallow crystal
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i want to change 3 parts of the current ekranoplan system, the flight, the classification, and how they work

Flight: Implementation of a ground-effect corridor, raised a few feet off sea level, the aircraft will become significantly more efficient and have higher acceleration when in it, however maintenance will deteriorate faster, purely GEVs will be locked to this corridor, hybrid GEVs can fly outside for reduced stats, if a pure GEV leaves the corridor they will simply fall down slowly, like an airship which goes over it's service ceiling. rather than stalling and dying

Turning: They should turn like boats when inside the corridor, only using A and D to make the turns, and they will roll softly into the turns, much like a motorcycle (since that's what they do irl :3)

Classification: They'll have their own class, separate from other aircraft, it'll be available after jet engines and require a certain (relatively high) amount of time to acquire, the training will have you spawn at Northachiev Exp., fly around the almost all of Tsel, and end flight in Leovetsk, it'll teach you to fly on the ground effect corridor and it's benefits, sadly there will not be any ekranopoints Skrolled

Jobs: Current jobs are lacking, i don't exactly have ideas for new jobs, however i do wish that the script used for job picking was different from regular aircraft, as currently they can grab jobs to unreachable locations such as airports in mountains or small hills Holditin

I hope this helps with understanding exactly what i want to be implemented in-game, any questions can be asked and i'll be happy to explain!!

hallow crystal
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pressing A or D will turn the aircraft and roll it softly to the left or right, without losing any height (or a significant amount of it)

hallow crystal
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@rocky trout what do ya think?

rocky trout
hallow crystal
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:great:

rocky trout
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You like pinged me when my ass was just waking up

hallow crystal