World Expansion idea

[drifting geyser]

you should check out my suggestion "Cloud Improvements" someone named Sped has been cooking up some great mockups

i think splitting up the existing/future map into regions is far less efficient than rewriting the game so that the whole world moves as opposed to the player. so the player is always in the center, the world moves around them. that's how every other open world game works

[hallow wagon]

Erm uh

Small uh

Problem

Lag

[drifting geyser]

it would lag if we tried it now without rewriting how scenery works

we would need to do some serious overhauling first

hence the "rewrite the game" part

but it would definitely future-proof the game

[heavy coral]

i'm genuinely curious as to how that works with multiple players

[drifting geyser]

the scenery is rendered clientside same as always, just in a different position for each player

[heavy coral]

so the entire map is loaded on the client's PC ...?

[heavy coral]

players with low end devices are not gonna like that idea

when i play aero on my laptop it already heats up the table enough to fry sth on it

[languid moat]

Rewriting or not, it can't possibly be a good idea to move an entire world of scenery around the player in Roblox

[novel haven]

yknow whats so funny

its been said multiple times that diagonal lines wont work

and corner tps like rossian was saying IS the solution

corner tps that automatically do a diagonal tp

skipping the other square

[outer apex]

he's too bias about it

Wonder what will happen

if the player goes to the corner

[tired grail]

Octagonal borders gonna send people to the void

[lone nest]

which game has ever had octagonal borders 😭

[outer apex]

dunno

[tired grail]

None, cuz it doesn't work

Usually its just hit a wall and teleport (with or without a prompt)

[modern dragon]

Yeah that can work.

Octagonal maps are ummm

[quartz seal]

Simple.

You can never hit that seam exactly on

so the teleport will teleport you one way or the other first

[tired grail]

Same can be said for the much simpler square

[quartz seal]

Yeah but a hexagon has more edges to hit so diagonal teleports don't knock you as far off course

[drifting geyser]

why not do a 5 way ven diagram

circle in the middle

4 more circles that overlap around it

in order to move into the next quadrant, you have to hit the edge of the circle you are CURRENTLY inside

[fading parrot]

That’s interesting

[drifting geyser]

as long as nothing is inside the overlapping parts, this should eliminate the corner issue

[drifting geyser]

the scenery would need to be split up. each continent would be the only one loaded

[novel haven]

circles are worse than diagonal

square and rectangle only

[drifting geyser]

nvm then

[icy sky]

Well you could just do the same thing but square

[muted wren]

physically impossible

a straight line can only cross a straight line one time

[muted wren]

the problem with the squares is getting from the center to the corners isnt possible without entering another region

[steep copper]

convert to polar coordinates problem solved

[flat pine]

just make it never ending

[outer apex]

lemme guess, octagonal map is the obvious solution?

[outer apex]

feels like you're ignoring this

[muted wren]

well... something with straight barriers

if the suggestion is being seriously considered, the devs will probably have their own solution

[drowsy jetty]

why are we even talking about having octagons and shit

do you realise how much effort goes into making even one map

logically we would start at 1x2 to the right or left and if that map was successful (which would probably take years to fill out regardless) another one could be added on the other horizontal side on the original map

[cedar niche]

why the fuck are you suggesting this? just hop on #server-announcements and hold a poll there…

and you can make a thread for the message for any ideas, improvements, or concerns people have…

[drowsy jetty]

because its not really up to the community

[shy sphinx]

that's... literally what he did?

no need to be aggressive lmao

suggestions are still suggestions even if they're from a dev

[latent fiber]

Bros mad about a cool feature 🤣

[wooden parcel]

indeed

[steep copper]

traders when they dont get everything they want:

[cedar niche]

but i liek it so ur statement is now rong

am mad because… because… because developer in #1183405059569094726 thats why!!!

[languid moat]

Yeah think about that for a moment. Moving a whole continent in Roblox...

Some engines may be optimised to handle that, but Roblox definitely isn't

[languid moat]

I was going to put up the idea in dev chat, but then it would quickly be buried and forgotten. This way it gets much more feedback and from many more people, meaning more good ideas.
And why a poll? I'm not trying to decide between several options.

Not to mention I'm an aircraft dev, so when it comes to scenery and coding I can only suggest stuff like everyone else

[cedar niche]

alr then, just curious. you are a senior developer

also this suggestion is much better (and a lot more logical) than whatever this is https://discord.com/channels/820044095535185951/1238058356690649140

[fading parrot]

context is different, one is for visual purposes only and one is to expand the map

[hallow wagon]

Yo, take a chill pill there

[cedar niche]

https://tenor.com/view/late-youre-late-what-time-is-it-gif-13365071

6 hours late = !!!!!!

[modern dragon]

Um, didn't Aussie provide a solution by adding squares in the corners to teleport players to maps diagonally?

I mean, that was a solution that I'm okay with instead of having octagonal maps, which would complicate things even more than hexagonal maps.

[honest badge]

For the sillies, tp the players who go into the corner to idk, adopt me

[hallow wagon]

anticheat

[wooden parcel]

and have romanian citizenship

[honest badge]

oh yea that

Wouldn’t that have a stroke

[wooden parcel]

ah yes how do we fogor

[honest badge]

I feel like it would

[modern dragon]

Since you're talking about flying diagonally from one map to another, I believe that squares would work fine
With squares is pretty simple and would require just a code to map out the corner teleports to the nearest diagonal map. Now an octagonal map system is unnecessary. Since it has been stated that diagonal lines for teleportation wouldn't work, that defeats the entire purpose of the octagon system. Added to the fact that in your map idea, you also have square maps, this can cause overlaps (or whatever the proper term is called) between the teleports. Honestly, I believe you're just a bit too wanting of a system that is unable to operate properly from the developers.

[outer apex]

ayo, chill

[cedar niche]

stop stumbling into my old messages!!!!!

its 7 hours old

i got my answer

[heavy coral]

just to add to this real quick

as an example, the seawise giant at tikaranto cannot reverse

if you simply hold reverse the boat will not move

if you also hold one of the strafe keys its speed barely overcomes the floating point speed threshold

[drifting cedar]

bulgaria

[tight iron]

just discovered this thread

[cedar niche]

brug

[tight iron]

only real hope for things like Changi and Desert to be added

[swift quiver]

Is aero terrifyingly close to the part limit?

[midnight igloo]

I approve

[outer apex]

probably

[gentle birch]

If I remember correctly, according to conversations in public channels yes

[wooden parcel]

and romanian

[quartz seal]

Glorious LOD and loading Comrade

You literally unload everything that they player cannot see

[tight iron]

But alas this is just a suggestion

Perhaps with the new coding talent on the team...

[hallow wagon]

Someone get fly

[lone nest]

possibly talking about a SDEV?

[languid moat]

But you can see multiple cities at the same time

[gentle birch]

no

I know who he is probably talking about

[zenith vortex]

plz keep hangar teleport we need to access dealers

[obtuse quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-gif-14980450905264007240

[gloomy crag]

[nocturne dome]

YES

[nocturne dome]

THIS WOULD BE HUGE

[fringe jasper]

This could make many jobs for like example: Anhedral - Meihua a lot more easy and simple

[tired grail]

This suggestion is for an expansion, not just the loop-around somebody brought up

[fringe jasper]

Ahh

I see

So this could open up more available routes for long range airliners and others of that type

Or well

Kind of

It would be the same route but in a different direction

[tired grail]

The big benefit is allowing more map without floating point issues

[fringe jasper]

Yeah that’s what I like about it

[tired grail]

Tho it'd give long range airliners an actual flight rather than the short regional ones we currently have

So a win for the airline mains

[fringe jasper]

I really hope this gets added

Has huge potential with the current popularity it has

[quartz seal]

idk if Hyperant has already appeared here but:
Hyperant iirc has already denied this idea so

[fringe jasper]

[steep copper]

source

[quartz seal]

Dont remember but he has denied it

[steep copper]

there might be a chance with so many previously rejected ideas being unrejected

and the scenery dev has been stalled by memory problems

[novel haven]

he completely denied splitting the current map

not sure about new side maps

[languid moat]

Unfortunately the current map is bursting at the seams

[hallow wagon]

Understatement of the year
Let’s go back to 2021 aero. Ez fix

[steep copper]

unban ssts, revive data reset plans

[hallow wagon]

Yassssss Queen

[grizzled wraith]

personally I just endorse the original idea of having "highways" that connect

[iron sage]

Cooking

[iron sage]

Mika leaks car update

[grizzled wraith]

like it's so much trouble to do this teleportation

I'd recommend just setting lanes despite it being potentially annoying to go out of your way

[tough dome]

hmm

well Tradelands is doing it already quite successfully

I think the devs could talk it out and implement the same technology?

idk

[drifting geyser]

what if theres no extra area north or south, only west and east

[fringe jasper]

Wait what

[cedar niche]

Aeronautica: West vs East

Lockheed vs Sukhoi

Boeing vs Ilyushin

Northrop vs Tupolev

[tough dome]

what about airbus?

[tight iron]

Weast

[swift quiver]

direction is relative. you end up where you started. break from the mind control. the earth is a 2001 PT Cruiser

[languid moat]

Est

[idle wyvern]

YES PLEASSSSEEEE

[idle wyvern]

wheat

[keen estuary]

whaen upeaet

[idle wyvern]

oh yeah @languid moat this would also be great for giving planes with insanely long range more use cases

[keen estuary]

yeah real

[languid moat]

Yeah ik it's been mentioned

[keen estuary]

anyway no more airbus a320 that fly the longest route in game

[uneven remnant]

Zazu

[keen estuary]

[idle wyvern]

also it could be the case where the range of some planes is buffed even more

like the a340-500 and a350-900ulr

[languid moat]

I don't think we need to touch any range values

[idle wyvern]

fair enough

[tired grail]

Unless maps get stupid big (they wouldn't, floating point), range should be fine

Planes can get over twice their base range with ease

[idle wyvern]

lag hates me then

[lone nest]

Darkstar real

[haughty geode]

you're only saying that because you're bad with fuel management

[idle wyvern]

I can fly the sr-71 optimally and still only push like 220 nm max

my lag’s the issue guys trust me

[muted wren]

(Enough to fly across the existing map on one tank)

[outer apex]

STALL HOPPING

[fringe jasper]

Man

Flying over a huge ocean in a wide-body long-range airliner would be so cool

Too bad it’s probably not gonna be added

[winged pewter]

Neat idea, not a fan of having fixed routes though Like let us fly from wherever to wherever

[fringe jasper]

Even the smods agree

[wet pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/gru-despicable-me-explode-gif-18746054

This is like one of the things I'm not compromising on

[steady patio]

Disagree. This would make regional and commuter aircraft so much more viable. Basically getting around within one map would be the CRJ/A319/Q400 realm. Going between maps would be the role of the A350s and shit

Lmao nevermind

[swift quiver]

Perhaps would you agree on reorganizing the map

[wet pebble]

Why

[icy sky]

Well fixed routes maybe no, but having specific corridors where you can cross would be fine

[steady patio]

Titanium about to get fired for opening this can of worms

rip in peace king 👑

[drowsy jetty]

welp

its aerover

[quartz seal]

Its Aerover with the current engine

Unless yall want to pull a CA and move the map around the player.
yes its possible with the current map
No I won't elaborate because its kinda hard to explain
Yes it would need a near complete rewrite of the flight engine
No it probably couldn't be an update to the existing game

[drowsy jetty]

wgat

the issue isn't floating point

[quartz seal]

It is.
Floating point limits the map size.

It also is a file size issue

but thats easier to work around, and with the way you'd have to make the map to get this to wokr

it wouldn't be as much of an issue

[drowsy jetty]

floating point is an issue but the main issue is memory

which can't be fixed by any conventional means

[quartz seal]

I would like to point out that CA can use this system to make a map twice or three times Aeros size while also being 3 ish times the scale iirc

I say LOD a lot but I should probably elaborate on that:
LOD (or Level of Detail) directly helps save memory by unloading (or culling) stuff the client cannot see. If you go super crazy with it, you can end up with the server only needing to handle multiplayer sync (of planes, weapons, and player positions, with the client loading everything else) while the client handles all the memory intesive loading of models, maps, etc

Now, this doesn't reall work with Roblox

because the client doesn't have the model data downloaded natively

[wet pebble]

****** lots of asterisks as that was only on an empty map

[quartz seal]

True

The main reason it would save memory is larger seas

which means less islands need to be loaded at once per player

whereas right now you can have basically an entire country loaded at once

with larger scale seas that moving the map around the player affords you, you can make it more likely that people will be seeing only 1 or 2 islands at once

and that means less memory used as the server needs to load and store less model data

But as hyperant said there are a lot of Asterisks

and you need to design your map to take advantage of this

[honest badge]

Also uhh

If you do spread it out

[quartz seal]

Longer flights

[honest badge]

The continents would be tiny compared to the whole map

[quartz seal]

more boring

[honest badge]

You’d have to shrink the airports and make the scenery bigger

[quartz seal]

You don't need to make the continents small, you just spread them wider

[honest badge]

Well the thing is, the current continent sizes are fine, but if you spread them out into these sections, compared to the map, they would be tiny

[wet pebble]

Thats not really how it works

[honest badge]

They would look so small

That it looks like the archipelagos from other flight sims

[wet pebble]

It's less saving memory and more attempting to get around floating point

[quartz seal]

Huh I thought it would have some memory saving applications.
I guess not because the server still loads all the models?

[steady patio]

Floating point is the real issue here IMHO

[quartz seal]

IT is and it isn't.

ITs more a nuisance than a show stopping issue

server memory is a showstopper

[steady patio]

You can optimize the fuck out of things to get around memory issues. There is nothing you can fiddle with to get around FP limits

[wet pebble]

[quartz seal]

You can optimize, but eventually you reach a brick wall where everything is hyper optimized and you can't really push it further

see Factorio

[steady patio]

There are no tricks or illusions or silly little games you can play to change the fact that there is only so far you can get from the origin

The solution is clearly to just scrap the whole game

it's been fun folks thanks for the memories

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-goodbye-everyone-ill-remember-you-all-in-therapy-therapy-gif-21654437

[quartz seal]

I do wonder:
Is the server memory issue because of map size or is it because the code is really old and there are a bunch of unnecessary functions that run in the background

I mean map size plays a part

I do wonder what fraction is unoptimized map and which part is unoptimized or unneeded code

If I had to guess its probably 60/40 or 70/30?

Anyways Neo had issues with floating point

because in air combat (and any other kind of combat) the size of the arena matters A LOT

especially if you want more accurate simulations for planes.

Also because physics sliding is much more infuriating when you need to try and aim a gun at someone

[swift quiver]

fax. its been nice

[hallow wagon]

welp you heard it here folks

[quartz seal]

I mean we jest but there is a lot of truth to this

There will come a point where Aero just reaches the limit

[swift quiver]

Tbh, I think Aero should finish up Singapore, Add only one third of the desert continent and cease further island expansion. Then, focus on airport and aircaft remodels, boat mechanics, weather, and gameplay to fill up what's left of studios capacity.

[fading parrot]

and then make the steam version

[hallow wagon]

You do understand that a steam version would immediately shrink the staff team right

[wet pebble]

It's the map

Nothing else

[hallow wagon]

AFAIK shit like Unity doesn't support Lua, but I could be wrong

[fading parrot]

think this came up the other day, but there is an LUA plugin for UE

[fading parrot]

how so?

[quartz seal]

Huh interesting

[tight iron]

But if nothing else can be added due to file size

[swift quiver]

is this an Aero renaissance?

[hallow wagon]

Not all of the staff would be open to moving to a different engine

That and the game's playerbase would surly shrink

[quartz seal]

There are Lua based engines........

But roblox has a lot of features that only it can do due to using Roblox server infrastructure

Even if you got a Lua based engine

you would need servers

and a lot of changes in code to fix all the stuff that breaks because you can't use a lot of Roblox specific functions anymore

like playerID

You would need your own Player ID system then replace all the roblox PlayerID calls with that custom one

[fading parrot]

interesting... I would have thought that it would increase, lots of people stay away from roblox due to it primarily being a "kids game"

[quartz seal]

and then pray that doesn't break Aero's fragile framework

[lone nest]

I just have a question. How come other games such as doors or that one fps game stay completely lag free (almost) with so many assets?

[modern dragon]

I guess they're not as big as Aero in terms of scale.

I don't know, I'm not a developer.

[wet pebble]

Do those have 600k parts across 86k x 86k studs?

[quartz seal]

They reuse a lot of assets and keep the map very narrow and focused.

Make it feel big rather than actually making it big

[modern dragon]

[lone nest]

got it, thanks for letting me know.

[lone nest]

it’s probably fov effects as well

there are quite a lot of them

[quartz seal]

yep

[lone nest]

If only Roblox didn’t have lua but something else

[quartz seal]

a lot of the games that look really big and impressive usually use a lot of smart little tricks to get around needing to make hte game massive

[quartz seal]

The issue is less teh coding language

and more the server infrastructure

when you look into servers, 12.5 gigs

is not that much

that means the server hardware has 16 gigs of physical RAM

[lone nest]

JS is for websites but I’ve worked with it in games, it just might be a better solution

but anyways this is Roblox so

[quartz seal]

But like these are server hosting prices for Palworld

16 gigs isn't that much when you start to get to games bigger than minecraft in terms of resource load

Arma servers from the same hoster go up to like 48 gigs

ITs less "Aero is unoptimized" (though it kinda is in terms of map), its more that Roblox just doesn't have good server infrastructure

Now, to be fair, they need thousands of these things

And assuming they pay $15 per server per month which is pretty conservative

you get like.......... at least a couple hundred thousand?

a month?

[honest badge]

Unreal has a plug-in that allows you to code in Lua

A few other game making softwares have it too

[fading parrot]

yeah, theres a few for UE

[quartz seal]

I mean Unturned was successful when they moved to steam

buuuuuuuuut they were in a niche category

[lone nest]

how many high polygon meshes are used in the game?

[quartz seal]

Aero would be compared to the likes of MSFS and X plane

and most simmers would go "Nah" to it

[honest badge]

Yea considering now it’s not restrained by Roblox standards

[quartz seal]

Exactly

Its really good on roblox

and its plane variety is unmatched even by X plane

buuuuuuuuuuut

without the excuse of being on Roblox

[lone nest]

if a lot of high polygon meshes are used that could also reduce performance

[quartz seal]

its pretty lackluster

[fading parrot]

it's not a simulator though, it's more of a pilot RPG game

[honest badge]

Swiss001 would char us up into a fine crisp

With his army of fans

[swift quiver]

fr, its not a sim at all, its an indie game

[fading parrot]

this has gameplay

[lone nest]

same with shadow cast lighting

[fading parrot]

theres a goal for most people

I've never seen a proper simulator that has an end goal

[quartz seal]

Still, going on steam its the same people who play stuff like DCS and go "ITs not a game, its a simulator"

ITs a differnet crowd

and Aero's ability to stand out in said crowd

is dubious

[fading parrot]

I think there is a large population of people looking for a game like this on steam

I know I have been for ages

[quartz seal]

But this is where you start to consider opportunity cost:

You would need server infrastructure, a lot of rewriting, and you would need to figure out how to monetize to keep those servers running

Roblox is very good in the fact that they don't charge to get a servef

[fading parrot]

make it a single player game then

I'd still play that

[quartz seal]

But hten you lose the player driven economy

and it becomes more like MSFS

see there are just too many concessions or changes to be made

Could it be done? certainly

is it worth it? ehhhhhhhhhhhhh

[fading parrot]

whats the deal with steam peer to peer?

[quartz seal]

Peer to Peer sucks

see Halo Anniversary or halo 3 multiplayer

Input lag

and the performance relies on the host's machine being jacked

[lone nest]

They are companies so it makes more sense

Goddamn cloud flare servers

[glass igloo]

The memory problems would get better if robloxs engine is 64bit

The client and studio are 64 but

The client is 32bit/x86

Byfron runs through the client which is 64 but

Fyi

[idle wyvern]

oh yeah

we can add the entirety of romania as a landmass thanks to this update

if it happens that is

this seems very reasonable yk

[zenith vortex]

Romania 1:1 scale wen

[formal tide]

Make it 1:8

[idle wyvern]

nuh uh

[formal tide]

What about 10 to the -63rd power?

Aka one Vigintillionth.

[cedar niche]

no, 1.43:1

ifykyk

[heavy anvil]

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[haughty geode]

[heavy anvil]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[haughty geode]

read everything smh

[heavy anvil]

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[idle wyvern]

oh yeah could there be expansions for largely untouched areas in the world like antarctica, africa and some areas of asia like central, south and southeast asia through this?

not that it’s gonna happen but I would like to see some more central asian content since why not

[tight iron]

lord hyperant has spoken

[idle wyvern]

fair enough

[drifting geyser]

there is, but roblox apparently is the only engine where you cant so it

[drifting geyser]

yea liveries would need their own file storage system

[drifting geyser]

it would stand put pretty significantly. I've seen pretty bare-bones versions of what Aero already is do insanely well after FS YouTubers shout them out. Aero would also stand out for its customization. No other plane game has nearly as many planes as aero while simultaneously catering towards customization like liveries which can actually be seen by other players. The closest you can get is war thunder, which is a combat game. Aeronautica fills a niche that a very large amount of people would happily enjoy.

Peaceful, simple flight sim/pilot rpg with a wide variety of planes and customization options for players to express themselves? sign me up!

[keen estuary]

Guysss, this is 1400 message here 🥳

[bold stag]

1401st message

[icy sky]

Welp

You know what this means

Aero on steam/unity when?

[muted wren]

More relaxation*

[languid moat]

I think we can live with the current map but it will take a lot of optimisation and a long time to do it

[hallow wagon]

pull a neo warfare and have a new, separate map with a different name

[latent fiber]

neo warfare x europe

(never happened)

[icy sky]

nautiaeroca

[obtuse quartz]

idea
this expansion will lead to the NWX map

fire ik

[swift quiver]

Oh wait that’s goated.

Or an inspired version to make up for continents that couldn’t be added.

[zinc pebble]

This is interesting

[swift quiver]

Space update you can pay to catch a rocket to an earth like planet. This would essentially be the new map.

[amber dagger]

This is a brilliant idea

So in terms of floating point

Will that just not exist

(Idk if it has been brought up before but i aint reading 1410 messages)

[languid moat]

It would be much less noticeable if implemented correctly

[amber dagger]

ah ok, so then that would cause a good chain of effects such as the ability to add more islands, regions and airports

[languid moat]

Indeed

At the very minimum the islands could be split between 2 maps

But if more maps were used, you could add even more stuff and reduce FP more

But unfortunately it's just not a practical idea

[amber dagger]

i mean one thing i picked up immediately about it was loading screens

plus i know people like to go afk for their flights or boat trips, and one degree off their normal flight route after server hop would result in that chain and such being broken

furthermore (and this is just from my opinion) it would be a bit painful for the ATC community, unless it sends you to a different section of the same server; having the vehicle cross to another server where instead the ATC would have been on the one you were previously would be a little frustrating

[languid moat]

Not sure ATC would really be affected, because airports in each map would be separated by a large distance

To change map would mean you wouldn't be in contact with any ATC anymore

Unless I'm missing your point

[worn sandal]

okay sorry i'm still confused on how this doesn't get fucked by floating point

and how you teleport between maps without extremely dying

[languid moat]

Using multiple smaller maps, with land placed closer to the centre of each one

[languid moat]

Teleporting would be just like joining a new server

[drifting geyser]

question

does making the map small even do anything for floating point

if you have tiny objects close together, thats still using the same amount of digits, just instead of being 123.45, its 0.12345

doesn't that just do absolutely nothing?

(I'm talking about aeroscale btw)

[languid moat]

Not talking about shrinking the scenery

Just the area

Instead of a 350nm map, we could have 2x 250nm for example

And so there wouldn't be any scenery beyond 250, while right now there is

[drifting geyser]

i know

that doesn't answer my question though

[languid moat]

The answer is yes, it does

Representation of it

we could eliminate the worst areas of FP while increasing the total map area by a lot

[tight iron]

The orb

[zinc pebble]

Wait about thia suggestion are you proposing a new 3D map?

[languid moat]

What no lol

[fringe jasper]

What

[languid moat]

Just multiple paralel maps you can teleport between

[zinc pebble]

Let me explain

[fringe jasper]

Wouldn’t this be kind of a pain to add into the aeronautica coding

[languid moat]

That's one of the limitations

along with scenery

[fringe jasper]

Considering other components of aeronautica possibly breaking due to interference with this code

[languid moat]

Obviously we'd need to make sure everything was implemented smoothly, but it would be a workload

[fringe jasper]

How long do you think it would take to you know

Code it in

[zinc pebble]

Something like this

Yeah idk if it's clear enough

[languid moat]

Yes but I wouldn't call that 3D

[amber dagger]

Yea a little bit. So does this work in a way where a server runs an individual map? And that when you cross region it switches the server you are in? E.g. A34JK6 runs Avalon and then when we go to Aesir its B35F86.

If so then yea you wont know which server the other ATC is in and hence. Oh dear.

If its all in the same server then i agree with this idea fully

[amber dagger]

10/10 illustration

[languid moat]

At least weeks prob

[zinc pebble]

Well there's an axe Z so I guess...

[languid moat]

There's just north, south, east and west

[zinc pebble]

But it would look like a box

If seen from really far

[languid moat]

No each server would run its own map just like different servers run the current map

[amber dagger]

Also Titanium in terms of scenery will this allow for more buildings etc as an advantage of reduced floating point effect?

[zinc pebble]

OOOH

[languid moat]

I still don't see this affecting ATC though

[zinc pebble]

Intra-servers

[languid moat]

Yes there will be a significant reduction in terms of lag so more can be added overall

[zinc pebble]

How could this affect ATC

[fossil oxide]

If this goes through i have to buy like 50 more planes to keep in different airports across the servers

[amber dagger]

Ahhh i see, so its basically A34F86 as an example running the whole of Avalon, Oconia, Aesir etc etc. But they are all individually loaded separately. So like render chunks?

[languid moat]

But at least we'd have 50 more airports for your planes to go into

[amber dagger]

And thats the great part

[zinc pebble]

Yeah

[fossil oxide]

Yipee

[zinc pebble]

And if you eant to go to another server you take a special road

[fossil oxide]

More exploration

[zinc pebble]

Now that makes sence

[languid moat]

Server A runs Oconia
Server B runs another Oconia (if A is full)
Server C runs Avalon
Server D runs another Avalon (if C is full)

[zinc pebble]

But jeez I can't imagine the amount of work it will take

[fossil oxide]

But i just circumnavigated the current map with my b-17

Does this mean i have to server hop to go across the FULL world

[amber dagger]

is it randomised which server the player goes to? or will it always be the same server

[languid moat]

Yes you'd need to teleport at the edge of each map to cross other maps

But the loading times would be much shorter too

[fossil oxide]

Wait i have a question

[languid moat]

It can't be the same server

So it's random

[amber dagger]

so if I start at server A will I always go to server C and not server E (that could also run a empty avalon)

[fossil oxide]

So if i have a plane in the other map and want to teleport to it, would that make me switch servers? Or would I have to fly to that airport

[languid moat]

If A is Oconia you can't go to E if E runs Oconia

You'd go to a server which hosts Avalon

or whatever location

[fringe jasper]

So

Kind of in a way

[amber dagger]

wait no sorry

[fringe jasper]

This is

[amber dagger]

if E hosts avalon

[fringe jasper]

Sort of a win-kind of win

For players and developers

[languid moat]

Then yes you could go to C, D or E

[hallow wagon]

i thought this got rejected by hyper lol
shouldn't this have that label

maybe im wrong

[amber dagger]

Ah yes that was the problem i was mentioning about atc

[hallow wagon]

dont quote me on that

[languid moat]

Someone rejected it yes

But anyway

[amber dagger]

Gl on exams lettuce (i have them too)

[languid moat]

We can dream

[fringe jasper]

Same

[amber dagger]

17 done, 8 to go

anyways

[fringe jasper]

17!?

[languid moat]

I see it was mostly a win-win, the downsides are the major changes in coding and scenery rearrangement

[fossil oxide]

But it’s fiiine

[languid moat]

But it's a big future-proof option imo

[fossil oxide]

Yeah

it's a good idea

[zinc pebble]

On the long term yes

[amber dagger]

So titanium the atc problem i was mentioning

If the departure atc is at server A and the arrival atc is at server C (avalon lets say) and there is also a server E that has no atc at all (also hosting a similar empty avalon to server C)

Now if i were to travel across from oconia to avalon and want to join the atc server in server C, then wont I also have a chance of getting sent to server E?

[languid moat]

With the current map we're left with the optimisation option which takes time

[amber dagger]

That was the problem i was trying to express

[zinc pebble]

There could be a feature where as you enter the corridor you can choose which server you're heading towards

[languid moat]

When you say arrival ATC, we're assuming you know there's an active ATC event going on in that server?

[amber dagger]

Yea, honestly its well worth it for coding and the work put into it. I guess it needs some consideration to how its put all together with different features in the game

[zinc pebble]

He's talking about the Aeronautica ATC

Flysans's one

[amber dagger]

Holy shit i should have clarified

Yes its this

[fringe jasper]

What if

Subservers

[zinc pebble]

Or Atlas's one

Idk who owns Aeronautica's ATC

[languid moat]

Ok so your goal is to join that specific server for ATC roleplay yeah?

[amber dagger]

Its the ATC server thats partnered with aero

[amber dagger]

yes

[languid moat]

I see i see

[zinc pebble]

This

[amber dagger]

do you understand what im trying to say? im so sorry if im being a moron in my explanation

[languid moat]

I'd say the initial teleport is random but after TP you could re-join and pick the specific server from the list

[fossil oxide]

123 yes's

[languid moat]

No I was the one failing to understand

[amber dagger]

hmm, could be a little finicky tho

[languid moat]

In that case

We could have a short timer before teleporting

In that time you could select the end server

or it default to random

[amber dagger]

thats brilliant actually ye

or maybe make that the loading screen?

[fossil oxide]

would the minimap show the entire game map or just the map in the designated server?

[languid moat]

Ideally the entire map

[languid moat]

Not sure

[fossil oxide]

yeah that's what i expected

[languid moat]

And each individual map would be labelled according to its position, for example "Aeronautica - North" or "Avalon"

[fossil oxide]

mhm

[languid moat]

with borders clearly marked

[fossil oxide]

i see

[amber dagger]

This idea has been done before as well in another game

[fossil oxide]

so when are cars going to be available to the general public

[amber dagger]

Its a space game called starbase i think

[languid moat]

Maybe never :D

[fossil oxide]

:(

[languid moat]

They say Tradelands did something similar but I haven't played in a while

[fringe jasper]

Guys

Sub-servers perhaps?

[amber dagger]

Oh i mean starbase does the exact same thing as what you are trying to mention

[languid moat]

Interesting

[fossil oxide]

sometimes i want to drive around in a ford-f150 instead of fly in a supercruising fighter jet, you know?

sometimes i just want a break

[languid moat]

Dunno how they work, but sounds good?

[fringe jasper]

To solve the “ATC communication issue”

[amber dagger]

This is what i was thinking as a fix however it would be a nightmare for coding

[amber dagger]

Mb haha

[fringe jasper]

You can make a cross-server communication system

[zinc pebble]

I've heard echoes about service cars being instored

Like airstairs and fuel trucks

[fossil oxide]

caronautica

[languid moat]

Ground vehicles would be fun for airport roleplay, but actually driving in roads would be ugly

Anyway uhh

Topic

[zinc pebble]

Just fly

[fossil oxide]

nah really

[zinc pebble]

But yeah

Send some lobbiers into the dev team

And we'll soon get this feature

[fossil oxide]

i want more than just taxiing around in a jet

[amber dagger]

Tokyo drifting*

[fossil oxide]

Swerving out of control and crashing into a certain barn in clarence hmmmm*

[amber dagger]

lol

Titanium also would this affect the dealership restocking stuff? I guess that could also be changed so that it has a separate timer in each region. Could be interesting...

Its a great idea tho

[fossil oxide]

Oh that’s a good question

[languid moat]

Don't think it would be affected

Each server will have its own timer like now

Except vehicles will be spread out

[amber dagger]

Ah i see

[fossil oxide]

So the X-15 will not stay in Eisenhardt

[languid moat]

X-15 should stay at Eisen. But Eisen may not stay at Eisen place

[fossil oxide]

nooooo

[amber dagger]

And mind if I ask how does the game actually remember your position, speed, altitude etc. before a server switch?

And would it be also possible to make data saves more frequent as a result?

[fossil oxide]

i could never imagine

[languid moat]

Same as when leaving and rejoining the game while flying

Could save before TPing

[amber dagger]

So lets say fly's awesome flight plan addition gets implemented.

The game can just save before the teleport, and this addition can be modified so that it also saves with the transfer of servers?

Along with location, speed, stats etc

[amber dagger]

Ah ok. But because of better latency from the servers, could that also result in like 1min saves for example? Or maybe the ability to change the time gap?

[languid moat]

Seems very possible

If the entire map is displayed you can plan your route across all maps and have it saved

[languid moat]

Since there's already Autosave i don't think that's necessary

[amber dagger]

oh and then it just loads the exact same plan. thats brilliant

[languid moat]

Whenever you load on the next map, it would give you the route direct to the next point

At least I hope it's possible to make it so*

[fringe jasper]

Perhaps

We can get them to change their mind

For awesome gameplay

[languid moat]

Eh I don't think it will happen

[fringe jasper]

[languid moat]

most likely we get optimisation, then the final additions and the map is done

(done and laggy af)

3 minute loading times

[fringe jasper]

The aero devs complain about the lag a lot

Right

[amber dagger]

I mean surely if the exact same flight plan was copied then the same data on where to go next would work lol

[outer apex]

I lieked dis suggeton becuz I want aesia part 2

[amber dagger]

[fossil oxide]

Now for a roblox game that’s atrocious

[languid moat]

I'm uncertain if the flight plan data will save at all

probably but idk

[amber dagger]

I mean the idea is great because it literally just expands the amount of islands and stuff you can include 10fold

[amber dagger]

Oh is it a similar situation to FDR?

or am i missing the point lol

[hallow wagon]

Yeah they did.

What I would personally just prefer

is a neo warfare type situation

different maps

join via lobby

[fossil oxide]

Neo warfare gameplay died

[hallow wagon]

New map = new save data

[amber dagger]

For me its just annoying lol

[hallow wagon]

The only issue

[languid moat]

Pros:
More land
Longer routes
Less floating point
Less lag
Shorter loadings

Cons:
Very complex to implement
Teleporting between maps
More maps = less servers for each

[hallow wagon]

is that there could be the issue of the old map not being played on

[tight iron]

hyperant must bargain

millions must teleport

[hallow wagon]

I can't think of many more cons

[hallow wagon]

someone just pay him a bunch of money duh

[amber dagger]

Yea tbh

[fossil oxide]

Con: no 492 kilometer long bridges connecting cross server maps for me to drive on

[languid moat]

I just don't know how it will work, if you rejoin and still have the flight plan set

[hallow wagon]

There are some kinks that would need to be worked out

Hm

[amber dagger]

Ye like this

[hallow wagon]

What if when you take a job across servers

the FDR doesn't save that flight

[languid moat]

If complexity wasn't a problem, we could have 3x3 maps with 900NM of width, imagine the possibilities

5 days shipping routes

[fossil oxide]

oh jesus

[hallow wagon]

can we unnerf airships btw

pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase

[languid moat]

Airships are fiiine

[fossil oxide]

lie

[amber dagger]

Exactly lol it would be awesome

But see this is the thing, I literally played that game that I mentioned has this entire system implemented yesterday. It was hella smooth with only a small loading screen and a loading bar saying the name of the system in the galaxy i was visiting

Its a space game, and i saw like 500 of these fucking systems lmao

[fringe jasper]

Oh shit yeah I forgot

Ships

[languid moat]

But do they have cities with thousands of parts? 👀

heck, tens of thousands

[worn sandal]

you can't select the most populous server so you'll be teleported to a server with 5 people and a dead chat

extra problem for the list

[amber dagger]

Thats exactly what i experienced in that game

WAIT

how the fuck would teleporting to a plane in another region work?

[languid moat]

It's a problem yeah. The more maps we have, the less servers for each

[worn sandal]

no not that

[tight iron]

you know you could just say its starscape right

[amber dagger]

I forgot the name. Thats for telling me

[worn sandal]

as in if you want seamless teleportation that means you can no longer select a server

[tight iron]

and the teleports there are fixed lanes when you align to warp

[worn sandal]

so you can't select the ones with people in them

[languid moat]

If you're afk then you can't

We don't want to interrupt trips

[worn sandal]

yes but what if you aren't afk

[amber dagger]

Ah ok so its not entirely free, i understand

[tight iron]

not a warp barrier, giving credit to the fixed lane idea rather than nilly willy crossing

[worn sandal]

you still cant

[languid moat]

I mentioned a timer idea a bit higher up

[uneven remnant]

Has hyperant murdered this yet?

[tight iron]

yeah

personally

[languid moat]

.

[tight iron]

but it is a true solution he turns a blind eye to

[amber dagger]

Bring back 80 player servers then (unless im tripping and we never had 80)

Because less lag

[uneven remnant]

My solution seems to most logical lore wise

But this is less complicated

[languid moat]

It would be so gooood

[uneven remnant]

And makes more sense

[amber dagger]

True

[worn sandal]

I'm going to be honest if this wasn't suggested by a dev it'd get 1000 reactions and be called stupid

[amber dagger]

There are so many things that i can think of with this idea, problem is the execution

[worn sandal]

aero suggestions channel is a travesty

[languid moat]

(ngl, it's possible)

[amber dagger]

That is true actually

But i wouldve said it was good anyways lol

[worn sandal]

shoutout guy who posted two messages that made no sense and deleted them immediately we need more like you

[tight iron]

you know even when the servers first actually filled to 100 things were so laggy

back when that was a thing

Valhalla was not even a thing yet mind you so server space wasnt a problem

[worn sandal]

I don't remember it being that laggy honestly

[fossil oxide]

i was scrolled up so i thought a different topic was going on

[languid moat]

it seems even if you have an empty map, lots of vehicles will cause lag anyway

[fossil oxide]

so then i deleted my messages because they were irrelevant

[tight iron]

(and back when vehicles were actually 15k tris )

[languid moat]

True smh

I became worried when I reached 17k

[amber dagger]

I remember last year when we had 80 player servers I THINK, what actually was the issue with them? I never got lag, so was it the server?

[tight iron]

server ran slow

[worn sandal]

I imagine the problem was that others lagged

especially with aesir and other additions

[languid moat]

Roblox doesn't like too many moving parts

[tight iron]

which directly impacted minor things such as the time it takes to start your engines

but more importantly the time it took to accelerate (and decelerate)

[amber dagger]

So nobody actually felt lag but the server latency was shat

[fossil oxide]

so that's why my f-104's engines were taking 43 years to start up

[tight iron]

so landing at like augustus was impossible

[amber dagger]

I mean i get that now actually

In some servers i join i hit B and it takes fucking 3 business days for that yellow 'brakes' indicator at the bottom to show and the plane actually slows down

[fossil oxide]

and that's why i tend to shoot for medium sized servers

[languid moat]

Gonna sleep now BYE

[fossil oxide]

cya

[amber dagger]

same

bye bye

[hybrid falcon]

potential softlock risk

[austere fog]

yes, just like every darpa project

itll be conceived when millions play aero

Millions must play aero..

[uneven remnant]

pet update at 7pm est

[fossil oxide]

i’m going to force the entire country of andorra to play aeronautica

[drifting geyser]

yeah i know this, but what i was asking was kinda unrelated, its just referring to how every in aero is scaled down, same in PTFS and all other roav games

[drifting geyser]

so basically, just bring all the islands closer together? im not opposed to that

would effect the meta though

[muted wren]

basically Viper MKII simulator

[languid moat]

Hyper and SR-71 would still be far in the lead, and boats would have new longer trips between maps.
The main difference would be the longer routes available for long range planes

[hallow wagon]

You’d be able to truly take an intercontinental airliner on an intercontinental route

[muted wren]

If this gets implemented I would say that vehicle maintenance decay rates should be decreased a lot since people will be flying longer distances and durations

[amber dagger]

Not really actually, I think it is fine. This allows people to consider more about what is an efficient route and compare cost for wp/cash made...

[heavy coral]

if this got implemented, ocean liners would have to get a range buff

[muted wren]

not that, many aircraft can only stay aloft for ~6 hours

some even less depending on speed and acceleration

before physically blowing engines

[languid moat]

Not really, they're generally based on transatlantic distances

[heavy coral]

but then the ocean liners wouldn't even be able to cross oceans ...

unless the maps are made much smaller, or the islands bigger

which kind of defeats the point of making more maps

[languid moat]

It really depends on the map size and distances involved

but 173 nm should be enough for a lot of things

(that being the shortest liner range atm)

If the oceans turn out to be wider than that, range can be adjusted yes

[heavy coral]

idk what the consensus on map size was in the thread

IIRC it was 300 nm ?

[round leaf]

maybe add romania on this continent

but yes

[languid moat]

I'd say 250 nm each would be enough

if using a 3x3 grid

The layout is uncertain too

Maybe 300 nm with 2-3 maps only

[round leaf]

wait, are yall talking of making like a bigger square map or for ir to be rectangular shaped? id say itd be annoying to have a rectangular shape, especially for the guy who wants the playable zone circular. nonetheless, i suppose it'd lag more.

or am i getting this wrong

is there a full replacement of avalon

[snow locust]

Ah yes, more great ideas getting denied

[upbeat barn]

[main hill]

Suggested by dev, denied by dev

[upbeat barn]

how did this get denied if its from Sdev?

[main hill]

[upbeat barn]

did hyperant himself smite this?

[swift quiver]

Yea

[languid moat]

Could be rectangular or square, depending how it's implemented. Can be 2 or 3 maps, can be horizontal or vertical in arrangement, or even a grid of 3x3 if you're crazy enough

One of the goals is more playable area with less lag

[languid moat]

When it comes to scenery I'm just another player giving out ideas

[turbid gyro]

never would i have ever thought UD would ever be brought up in this server, although you do make a good point

also apologies for the ping

[languid moat]

Actually UD has the same concept as this idea

[muted wren]

Yeah although UD’s maps are separate games

So updating them is far more tedious

Whereas with sub places they can share many more assets

[drifting geyser]

i still like my circle idea

you dont need to actually have a circular part

just measure distance from a point

[nocturne dome]

Why is it back to denied for now?!

[turbid gyro]

Hyperant no likey :(

[pulsar spire]

personally, i am glad the devs are adding more airports instead of this

it took 2 years to develop the map to how it is today

they wont focus another 2 years making a map that 98% of people wont even fly to

and waste some time'

which could be used for more planes

[nocturne dome]

What do we have to lose? Even if we had to made a new game (because the program is a spaghetti mess taken from Neo Warfare and had aeronautica's features bolted on) I would not mind Aeronautic having to create a new game in order to fix the program

if we have to do that and then split up the map

[pulsar spire]

the game is too big for reprogramming

it would take years

[nocturne dome]

FR?

[pulsar spire]

the game is the most expansive one. it has THOUSANDS of mesh files, ad possibly MILLIONS of lines of code

its like writing adopt me from scratch

to where it is today

also, reprogramming like that could remove some lore

or just make it invalid

[nocturne dome]

Couldn't we just keep the planes and the map. Then reprogram the code into a new game?

[pulsar spire]

and the aeronautica dev team is small

[pulsar spire]

as i said, a lot of code

and if they began to do it, they would take time away for more planes and remodels

as well as advanced liveres

and all of that rewriting could slow current development for years

in my opinion, as of now, its way too far fetched

maybe in the future when the dev team grows, maybe then it may be possible

[nocturne dome]

Do we have another way out?

[pulsar spire]

no, not right now

but in the future

thats why its denied for now

its not forever

[languid moat]

Coders do vehicles too?

[pulsar spire]

not coding but mesh files and texturing

and 3d modeling takes some time

[languid moat]

It wouldn't take time away from vehicles because there's dedicated people working on each thing

[languid moat]

And this is a huge overstatement

[pulsar spire]

you'd have to take people from each of those things to reprogram everything tho

[pulsar spire]

sorry

[languid moat]

Not really

[nocturne dome]

I just realized he is new to the server

[pulsar spire]

how

[pulsar spire]

i came back from a ban

i am NOT new here

[languid moat]

We wouldn't need to re-make the scenery from scratch, just rearrange the existing ones (which would take some time but not years) and then progressily add more to it

And the code doesn't need to be re-done either, just needs to accomodate the changes

[pulsar spire]

damn

[nocturne dome]

Well at least that is a silver lining!

[pulsar spire]

i am really a fool lol

[languid moat]

I'm not suggesting a whole new game here

[pulsar spire]

ohhhhh

i just read what speedboystrucutre was saying and i thought you meant reprogramming everything

[languid moat]

Not at all

[pulsar spire]

sorry for misunderstanding

[languid moat]

All good!

[nocturne dome]

Yeah sorry I was saying if it came to that

[languid moat]

Unfortunately the current map is very limiting too so it has its own downsides

[nocturne dome]

Because I head the programing is a spaghetti mess

[pulsar spire]

tbh i find it quite large

[languid moat]

It's always a spaghetti mess unless you're a coding expert

[pulsar spire]

i maybe exagerrated with "millions of lines of code"

but its still a lot

[languid moat]

We're going to struggle just to be able to add the final continent and islands

Studio capacity is at the limit

[nocturne dome]

WAIT WHAT

[pulsar spire]

guess what, stuff weighs

aeronautica probably weighs like 2TB in the pc of the devs

pcs'

[nocturne dome]

IK BUT THEY MANAGED TO MAX OUT ROBLOX NO WAY

[bold stag]

it's easy

[pulsar spire]

also mesh files

its easy if the game is big'

e

[nocturne dome]

The studio has managed to take such a beating

[pulsar spire]

yeah. i bet it takes 10 minutes to load the place

or more

[languid moat]

Takes me a couple minutes yea

[nocturne dome]

So even if we dodge the server problems it then will be the studio?

[pulsar spire]

also, considering you are senior dev
are you aware of the report menu vulnerability

[pulsar spire]

yeah

[languid moat]

Not sure what you mean

[pulsar spire]

the more it develops, the more it takes to load

[languid moat]

(I'm a vehicle dev)

[pulsar spire]

the one where someone false reports a game to make it child endangerment

i got banned for it on my first account.

[languid moat]

Hmm no that's beyond me

[pulsar spire]

they can do it with your STARTER PLAVCE

[pulsar spire]

ok, i can explain it but in dms

cuz its unrelated to this

[nocturne dome]

Damn so thats how it will end,,,, this is slightly upsetting to hear..... 3 years of growing up with the game

[hallow wagon]

literally what

[pulsar spire]

not necesarilly

[hallow wagon]

the game is not going anywhere

why are you being so nihilistic about this

[pulsar spire]

bravo on the mod of the week

[languid moat]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-15878626962415498830

[pulsar spire]

@nocturne dome
roblox studio takes a while to open, but it wont be so limiting. the game can be optimized, and studio updates make loading times faster

so studio wont be the end of aeronautica

its jsut a limit

[nocturne dome]

Like the events aren't the thing bring the players, its the update and yes people will play it, its just less fun to play without other players

[hallow wagon]

what lmao

dude

calm down

[upbeat barn]

since when is the end of the game

[lone nest]

Lmfao

[pulsar spire]

i had a stroke reading that

wdym

[lone nest]

Guys I think aeronautica is about to get shoved into the dumpster

[pulsar spire]

the game wont end

[lone nest]

[pulsar spire]

nah bro people like you with your amazing videos help keep it charmingly alive

also thanks for existing

[upbeat barn]

tho speed kinda has a point, updates are kinda is what keep this game alive

[snow dune]

World Expansion idea

[pulsar spire]

yeah, but they wont be lacking anytime soon

no reason to worry

[lone nest]

ah thank you, I appreciate your support 👍

[pulsar spire]

the game is big, but the determination of the dev team is bigger

so aeronautica is not going down anytime soon budy

[languid moat]

Scenery development is slower but will continue. The other areas (vehicles and coding) are not really affected

[swift quiver]

[pulsar spire]

also this kinda turned into #generalis

wed better go before the devs turn us into cranberry juice

[lone nest]

this thread has already been trade discussions for around a few years now

[pulsar spire]

lmao

i have 25 hours in my L-31 Zepellin

[pulsar spire]

hey can you send me channel link

[swift quiver]

update whan?

wen

whean

wean

weahn

wehn

[lone nest]

sure, https://discord.com/channels/820044095535185951/831867173269012541

[heavy coral]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[swift quiver]

wat?

[swift quiver]

i mean the next update lol

[heavy coral]

oh

next weekend i think

[swift quiver]

[heavy coral]

aussie said it was probably gonna be next week-end

probably

i hope it brings air refueling

[swift quiver]

737 NG's

and, something special perchance

[heavy coral]

[honest badge]

He also said that other than the models, nothing is ready for boats part 3

[tulip meteor]

Calvin (P-200) is AFK: 🛌 - 12 minutes ago

[honest badge]

So no boats part 3

[swift quiver]

let fly cook

[honest badge]

fly is cooking

[swift quiver]

NAV updates then boats i believe

[tight iron]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

since snow continent

[icy sky]

Wait once the new continent is released will aero be put out of alpha?

[lone nest]

yes

[quartz seal]

I mean it is and it isn't.

Player numbers are gonna dwindle with no new map expansions.

Planes will bring people back

but there is a limit to that

[hallow wagon]

Glass Valois

Nuke it

Nuke it again

Nuke it once more

[quartz seal]

I mean realistically, if the game is to stay alive and expand, there needs to be some kind of resolution on this issue reached

Otherwise the game will hit a brick wall on scenery and die

[hallow wagon]

Just delete Valois

Remove it

Problem solved

[cedar niche]

the Mod of the Week has spoken

delete… valois!!!!!!!!!