pallid jetty
class:Long range WW2 German Bomber
max speed: 264 Knot
servace ceiling: 26,000 ft
range: 264 nautical miles
capacity: 8
propeller count per engine: 3-bladed constant-speed propellers
(sold at: sandris international airport (this is just a idea)
(can't find it's Stall Speed)
vote yes or else (the threat is a joke)
night harbor
i didnt see it
u tried ctrl+f?
night harbor
it's planned anyway so we just need to wait until someone makes the model
besides the 
things, this plane does look cool
skinny b29
pallid jetty
took me a bit to get the info of the plane for de game
charred knoll
b-29 if it sucked
pallid jetty
b-29 if it sucked
nuh uh
sudden sigil
b-29 if it sucked
Nah, you take that back.
peak scroll
B-29 but german frfr
sudden sigil
Planned to make it, if all goes well it might be added.
charred knoll
Nah, you take that back.
messershit 
sudden sigil
Slightly lower payload capacity in exhachge for 3 times the range.
Also no magnesium engine fires.
charred knoll
Also no magnesium engine fires.
the B-29D:
sudden sigil
the B-29D: <:trolley:1092669808232902656>
Still more losses from engine fires than the Japanese.
sudden sigil
No it doesn't.
charred knoll
Still more losses from engine fires than the Japanese.
thats more of a testament to how much the japanese suck than anything
sudden sigil
Then why did it take nearly 4 years and 2 nukes to defeat them?
charred knoll
they were already defeated, it just took them 4 years and 2 nukes to admit it
sudden sigil
they were already defeated, it just took them 4 years and 2 nukes to admit it
B-29 wasn't very intimidating it seems...
charred knoll
nothing intimidated the japanese...
but you're right about one thing, the B-29 did suck, but for one major reason
it took to long to build
we should have sent them to germany 
sudden sigil
we should have sent them to germany <:WHAT:862831150691385386><:WHAT:86283115069...
Lower service ceiling, remote controlled turrets with poor accuracy, engines that explode from a few good hits...
charred knoll
poor accuracy????
sudden sigil
Watch the Schwalbes and Komets pick them out of the sky like plums.
charred knoll
now your bullshitting
sudden sigil
poor accuracy????
Remote controlled turrets did not have very good accuracy.
Hold up, let me get a blueprint.
charred knoll
Remote controlled turrets did not have very good accuracy.
a 2 hour long autistic video essay with like 17 views on youtube says otherwise
poor accuracy is myth caused by bad intepretation of statistics
sudden sigil
What statistics and how are they poorly interpreted?
Basically a B-29 was good on paper, but it was so complex it had to work perfectly. If it didn't work perfectly, then there where major problems.
charred knoll
in order to calculate the success rate for the RC turret kills you have to consider a lot of variables so its easy for the data to be skewed in the wrong direction
charred knoll
Basically a B-29 was good on paper, but it was so complex it had to work perfect...
that sounds like crew error thus fault of training, not the plane
sudden sigil
that sounds like crew error thus fault of training, not the plane
That means that any slight defect in the aircraft would also cause a major issue.
charred knoll
sudden sigil
And having an aircraft that the crew have trouble flying due to complexity is not a good thing either.
charred knoll
And having an aircraft that the crew have trouble flying due to complexity is no...
the boeing 737 sucks because a 19 year old with only a year of experience with GA aircraft cant fly it 
sudden sigil
the boeing 737 sucks because a 19 year old with only a year of experience with G...
I mean if the 737 was as complex as the Concorde in terms of training, they'd much rather prefer the Airbus.
Also we saw what bad mainance/pilot training did to the 737's reputation recently.
static solar
messershit <:trolley:1092669808232902656>
🔥
sudden sigil
Boeing Bias💀
charred knoll
fuck boeing if messershit made the b-29 i would be a messershit meatrider too but THEY DIDNT
sudden sigil
Cause Messerschmitt has no need in copying American designs. Especially since that B-29 of yours could not have made a transatlantic combat mission anyway.
charred knoll
the pacific ocean is bigger than the atlantic lil bro
sudden sigil
the pacific ocean is bigger than the atlantic lil bro
Wait till you learn about Guam and other Pacific islands.
charred knoll
wait till you hear about the UK 
sudden sigil
Germany did not occupy the UK, and even if they did, still too far from the states.
charred knoll
Germany did not occupy the UK, and even if they did, still too far from the stat...
?? i thought you meant guam and pacific islands as stepping stones for b-29 staging operations
anyways there's also canada and greenland
sudden sigil
I meant that the Me 264 needs much more range than a B 29 would ever need.
static solar
no, Messerschmitt made a lot of shit designs
sudden sigil
Like?
barren prawn
sudden sigil
What the fuck?
static solar
no, Messerschmitt made a lot of shit designs
these are some good examples
especially the 210
massive pile of dogshit
peak scroll
262 is kewl
static solar
262 is kewl
its still a bad plane
sudden sigil
262 and 163 are great designs.
Just a bit ahead of their time and with minor issues.
Me 210 wasn't too good I agree.
static solar
262 and 163 are great designs.
no they are not
the 262 was consistently unstable
the only reason it has swept wings is to make it more stable
sudden sigil
the 262 was consistently unstable
Yea, bad engine lifespan, but not much more.
static solar
bruh
sudden sigil
It was more difficult to control due to higher speeds, but only became unstable when exceeding the maximum.
I belive 850 km/h, could be pushed to 870, but risky.
Also the HG II variant solved that.
sudden sigil
the only reason it has swept wings is to make it more stable
That's called determining a problem and finding a solution.
static solar
uh huh
pallid jetty
oooo its a all out war rn
sudden sigil
Yea, they're upset America didn't have cool rocket fighters and ultra long range bombers.
static solar
Yea, they're upset America didn't have cool rocket fighters and ultra long range...
the Nazis didnt have those either??
most Nazi bombers were shit anyways
charred knoll
Yea, they're upset America didn't have cool rocket fighters and ultra long range...
nah i just dont like germany
sudden sigil
the Nazis didnt have those either??
370 Me-163s plus 30 Bachem Ba-349s plus 3 Me-263s plus a lot of other prototypes.
For bombers, they had the Ju-390s and Me 264s. Not much though.
twin marsh
They had 370 komets? 
I know it was largely a death trap 🪤 but imagine if they had all the kinks worked out earlier on the war
sand vigil
wow, they'll totally win the war guys!!
with all 370 Komets against the horde of allied armies
sudden sigil
with all 370 Komets against the horde of allied armies
There was a joke in German army back in the day, went as follows: "One German tank is as good as 10 American tanks, but the Americans always have 11".
rose schooner
Aint no way dude is parroting wehraboo talking points 😭
Also you can't really argue that the Me 264 of being better when it wasn't even able to be implemented into mass production and used in actual sorties with tangible outcomes.
sudden sigil
It honestly wasn't.
Main advantage of the Me 264 was the range, and testing showed it really lacked it.
rose schooner
Yea, they're upset America didn't have cool rocket fighters and ultra long range...
You could also argue that the US didnt have to make such items to win the war, as by 1944 the US in essence had all the war winning equipment it needed. Even then much of the Wunderwaffe that Germany made would have not made any impact on the direction of the war. Hell alot of German "technical superiority" is pretty minor and only effected tactical outcomes at most. Where as the Allies had the power of the sun.
rose schooner
Main advantage of the Me 264 was the range, and testing showed it really lacked ...
Was the range just an on paper type of thing?
sudden sigil
Was the range just an on paper type of thing?
It was supposed to have a range of 15,000km, if they wanted to bomb New York, they would have needed at least 12,000km. Testing showed the actual range to be around 9,000km or somewhere around there.
Also they never tested it with full payload and defensive armaments.
rose schooner
Was that a result of poor design or due to the Germans not having access to the right materials that they needed.
sudden sigil
Both.
It had design flaws to begin with, and lack of quality materials made it even worse, since reliable engines need some pretty good heat resistant alloys.
Plus control issues.
sudden sigil
@bitter topaz Hey, do you by chance have any info and detailed blueprints/cockpit blueprints for the Messerschmitt P.1107?
Me-264 successor.
Searched all over, but I can't find the plans.
Also it was actually built (partially), happen to know of any images of the prototype?
bitter topaz
<@737401107751370795> Hey, do you by chance have any info and detailed blueprint...
I’m gonna look into it once I have time no problem
obtuse island
make a passenger version
static solar
You could also argue that the US didnt have to make such items to win the war, a...
America literally had wunderwaffe equivalents except they worked
charred knoll
America literally had wunderwaffe equivalents except they worked
GOD BLESS AMERICA 🫡🫡🫡🫡
sudden sigil
America literally had wunderwaffe equivalents except they worked
Only the Atomic Bomb.
Didn't even have jet fighters in the war, let alone rockets and flying wings.
static solar
yeah cause those worked
the only successful wunderwaffe was the V1 bombs which just eventually got shot down by the British
sudden sigil
Um no, Me 262 was successfull, the V-2 was somewhat successful, and super successfull as a base for future space technology, type XXI submarines where succsessfull, King Tiger, Arado Ar 234 Blitz, all sorts of guided weapons such as the Fritz X, really late war Messerschmitt projects, early war battleships, and much more.
static solar
uh huh….
rose schooner
Um no, Me 262 was successfull, the V-2 was somewhat successful, and super succes...
What qualifies as successful though, none of the listed military projects were able to make a measurable difference on the wars outcome
King tigers were if anything a detriment to the German war effort by actively wasting the limited resources that they had at that point
The handful of "battleships" that germany did made were a waste of resources
sudden sigil
What qualifies as successful though, none of the listed military projects were a...
Successful is when a weapon meets its requirements in combat, regardless of the war's outcome. Yes, good weapons are crucial in winning a war, but there are many other factors that go into it. Even if you have superior technology, going against the US, USSR, UK and the other allied nations. There where 127 million people drafted into WW2, and 2/3 were allied. Resource availability and production capacity are also important.
Germany was doomed from the start here, even if they won, they would have collapsed due to crappy economic model that functioned on debt and conquest, but this doesn't mean their weapons weren't good or successful.
rose schooner
Would you consider it successful even if it drains limited resources, without gaining much in return?
sudden sigil
No, so I'll retract my statements for the battleships and King Tiger. Good technology but not resource efficient.