beta-discussion

[wraith bay]

yes

[north ingot]

is it supposed to show up in the extension when you're logged in? I clicked grant permission>login, and it just opens another window on 7tv.app, but then nothing

[lone wing]

should really be added as it is kinda annoying to see many highlights that are completely useless while just enjoying a big streamer

[kindred crown]

yeah its not fully implemented

but it will let you essentially manage your 7tv account via the extension

w/o needing to go to the site

[north ingot]

ok, and no way to change chat/twitch UI color yet, right? I should still use FFZ for that?

[true flower]

likely wont happen unless this becomes a 7tv creator feature right @kindred crown ?

this is non trivial

ffz's solution is just to manually override every place in the style sheet where colors are used

even though they have css vars

I dont beleive they are used in 100% of places

maybe needs testing

[kindred crown]

uh i mean we should support the ffz color settings if theyre broken atm

[true flower]

https://github.com/FrankerFaceZ/FrankerFaceZ/blob/master/src/sites/twitch-twilight/styles/theme.scss

i'll just let you have a look at this

[kindred crown]

the creator tier feature is about streamer defining custom theme to be enabled for everyone

[true flower]

yeah ik

which would need this anyways

so if that was implemented a user option would be trivial

[kindred crown]

1,300 people so far have claimed the beta paint

[true flower]

claim THIS

[grand hound]

1,301 now

[old ice]

I would make it 1,302 but I'm too boomer for this

[lusty ingot]

is it not letting you log in for anyone else?

[quiet eagle]

doesnt work atm

[lusty ingot]

it just brings up the website where im alreaady logged in

ah well

[quiet eagle]

it doesnt do anything anyway atm

they gonna implement it soon

[lusty ingot]

ohh

i just want the beta skin

[quiet eagle]

just type in twitch chat and u get it 😄

[lusty ingot]

does it matter what chat?

[quiet eagle]

no doesnt matter

it added instantly when i typed in chat

[old ice]

How

am I retarded

possibly yes

[quiet eagle]

install 7tv beta and just type in twitch chat

it SHOULD work

[jovial zenith]

i did and it didnt work

[old ice]

Now it did wtf Ricardo you are a wizard

[quiet eagle]

🪄

[lusty ingot]

u lie

[quiet eagle]

weird

[surreal zinc]

pree sure others cant see it anyways

[quiet eagle]

it worked for me

[jovial zenith]

oh wait

[lusty ingot]

whenever i reload the page it says im running 2 instances of 7tv

[jovial zenith]

i just dont know how to use the new site

[lusty ingot]

do i just remove the old version

[jovial zenith]

i even have the old paints from when i subbed last ?

[old ice]

yes

[quiet eagle]

i think others can, unless its bugged atm

[jovial zenith]

i was looking for months, and just now i notice i have 17 paints

[surreal zinc]

maybe other beta users can, i just tested with my normal 7tv on a diff browser n i couldnt

[quiet eagle]

oh wtf

[lusty ingot]

so many skins but no beta testerr

[old ice]

i dont even know where you find this.

[edgy glacier]

ay i restarted the browser and it has applied automagically

[quiet eagle]

7tv.app > click on ur profile > edit profile

[old ice]

Thank you, Ricardo, you are a real lifesaver

[quiet eagle]

np

[lusty ingot]

still no work after restart

[quiet eagle]

might take some time, no idea

[lusty ingot]

true

[edgy glacier]

took like 2 minutes

or so

On my botacc that's never been signed in on 7tv before.

[empty sage]

twitch doesnt have a 30 second delay + immediate fan anymore on my mom's 2014 macbook air

[lusty ingot]

W

[empty sage]

and i can actually use other tabs with no lag

[lusty ingot]

i got it W

[edgy glacier]

Code seems fine

[quiet eagle]

ye the paint is not global

[cedar forge]

cannot login in latest beta, its a bug?

[lusty ingot]

yea its not working apparently

[edgy glacier]

Yea all you do is install the beta, type in chat and probably visit 7tv.app and login there to see if you got it.

[solemn yoke]

I love this beta, most of the features are great.

[cedar forge]

the timeouts / perma messages are not available or need to be toggle on?

[sacred pike]

you can see the message greyed out currently but not the timeout length for anyone other than yourself as a normal user

[grizzled plover]

i did all the things and its not working for me 😦 the login page never actually logs in for some reason

[sacred pike]

are you talking about this? it doesnt work as of yet

[grizzled plover]

oh hek ok ty

am a lil dumb today lol my b

[covert sparrow]

is it just me or is the first message padding weird

meanwhile subs and channel point redemptions are fine

[past shore]

agreed

[old ice]

[lapis heron]

i think the that new padding is supposed to be intentional and all subs and point redemptions are gonna match that design or stay different

[covert sparrow]

looks cursed

[lapis heron]

yeah could be better but dont really care

i guess design a better one and anatole may consider it

[narrow wind]

a little bit more padding, even only on the left side would help

or moving the line to left a bit, to use some of that empty space

[covert sparrow]

agreed

[coarse shadow]

did this beta remove the highlights of messages where you get tagged in? I don't seem to get that anymore

[gentle ridge]

It works fine for me, are you sure you are using the right beta https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/7tv-beta/fphegifdehlodcepfkgofelcenelpedj

https://i.imgur.com/vNkS9cU.png

[coarse shadow]

yeah I am

[gentle ridge]

[coarse shadow]

[gentle ridge]

Im not sure

[versed temple]

What other extensions do you also have for twitch?

[coarse shadow]

I turned them all off

I only had bttv

[uncut cliff]

Open the 7tv settings (top right) and make sure you are on version v3.0.0.6100

[coarse shadow]

yeah I am

[iron turtle]

use the 7tv beta extension, type once in chat and it should appear in your paint inventory

[royal current]

Hello all, when i Select Login

I click on Grant Permision, the button changes to Login

And upon selecting the Login button it just opens a pop'ed out page with the 7tv.app (already logged in)

And it does not login with the extension

[iron turtle]

They haven't said otherwise, so I'd assume so

[royal current]

Added to tickets, either way

[covert sparrow]

Yes, it will be use-able as a non-sub on the v3 build

[quiet eagle]

@royal current login doesnt do anything at the moment anyway

they disabled it for now

[patent pewter]

PogU

Why is this banned from personal emotes ?

[covert sparrow]

probably the same reason ffz removed emotes of Gootecks

[true flower]

nudity

there's a cock in the lower left

[covert sparrow]

[patent pewter]

I’m running out of ideas what to have as personal emotes. Generic Pepe emotes will soon get banned because they are “too green” or something

[true flower]

well that and also they're racist

[patent pewter]

[cursive plover]

Just wanna say thank you for adding the first message thing!!!

[torpid niche]

Does the beta paint work on v2?

[graceful oxide]

only if youre a sub

v3 works on free accounts as well

[torpid niche]

Talking about the actual beta tester paint

Not the feature

[graceful oxide]

[torpid niche]

The Beta Tester Paint does not show up on the v2 version of 7TV

[true flower]

not sure it was ever intended to

but I dont see why it would be anyways

[torpid niche]

Paints were already set in v3 but worked like v2 for v2 so idk why it wont show on v2

So I would assume since it works on the same system, it would show in v2

[heavy widget]

#beta-discussion message

[covert sparrow]

the way I understood is that it would work like a normal paint but non-subs could only use it on v3

but it doesn't work on v2 at all for me

[torpid niche]

Im sub dude

Can you look?

Skill issue?

[covert sparrow]

I'm at work

[heavy widget]

Lol

[torpid niche]

Im a sub

I dont see it on my v2

[heavy widget]

Stfu pieter

[torpid niche]

You asked to be flamed by linking that

[covert sparrow]

[heavy widget]

I'm at work and didn't read properly, still tried to help. Fucking moron

[heavy widget]

Same here btw

[shadow basalt]

[pearl dragon]

Has anyone had an issue with the beta and watching VODs? The emotes do not seem to show up to me when watching a VOD with the beta extension

[cedar forge]

yeah same for me, no vods emotes for now...probably need just a little fix

[sacred pike]

@pearl dragon looks like Anatole is starting work on it as of today #tasks message

[cloud mesa]

how i can get to new paint without twitter acc?

[uncut cliff]

Send a chat message while using the beta

[cloud mesa]

tnx

[crimson quest]

Chrome (left) / Firefox (middle) / Chatterino 7.4.0 (right)
Ever since the tweet about the epic paint yesterday, paints & 7tv badges do not seem to show properly in Firefox

[covert sparrow]

is your Firefox using the latest beta version?

Chatterino is still on v2 so it won't be supported

[crimson quest]

i know the new paint wont work in chatterino, and yes firefox is using v3.0.0.6100

[pure zodiac]

Beta paint won’t show up in v2 clients btw

[covert sparrow]

like I just said

[pure zodiac]

Nope

I said it

[heavy widget]

Sensitive topic

[covert sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-speech-bubble-kitty-bother-bothering-gif-25862717

[crimson quest]

Changed badge and paint just to test, still nothing showing in Firefox (left) using beta version v3.0.0.6100, same message shown in chatterino (right) just for reference of what it should be showing

[tepid magnet]

Anyone else not getting highlighted msg when getting tagged in a twitch chat? The option on BTTV is on but dont see anything for 7TV. Idk if this is the right channel or not

[covert sparrow]

bttv's extension does not make any changes to the chatbox when you have the 7tv beta extension

7tv's extension has a completely re-written custom chatbox

as for the lack of highlights on 7tv I think they're still trying to work it out

[tepid magnet]

Damn yeah can't mod a chat if i dont see myself getting highlighted

[limpid stone]

is anyone else showing 19:00 for timestamps over-and-over?

[tepid magnet]

I'm adding a new emote to a channel and it shows a different old ass msg from 30min+ ago everytime I do

[sacred pike]

yeah its a known bug

[patent pewter]

my messages are greyed out in xqc's chat

[versed temple]

that means they are not sent

[gentle ridge]

They only dont send when using the beta tho

[versed temple]

your message is not gurantee to be sent, beta extension or not
the beta chat shows your message didnt send through
twitch's native chat doesnt show you that

[gentle ridge]

When xqc had his chat on screen i switched to the stable version and all my messages were showing up on screen without a problem and then i switched to the beta and none of them showed up

[versed temple]

just because it is not grayed out in stable doesnt mean it is sent

[gentle ridge]

If its not sent why would it show up on screen in the chat?

[versed temple]

you mean in xqc's stream?

[gentle ridge]

yes

[versed temple]

but hes not showing chat on stream

[uncut cliff]

The beta dosnt do anything to messages you send other than that they grey them for you until you get a response from twitch

[gentle ridge]

Earlier when he started he had chat on screen

It only happens in fast chats

[covert sparrow]

that's bc by default messages don't send in fast chats unless you time it perfectly at a low point in messages sent

[gentle ridge]

I always do that

[sacred pike]

Anatole confirmed this the other day when I posted it in issues. the difference between the beta and native is we just would have never known

[narrow wind]

Exactly

That's why, in Chatterino, I would have my own messages highlighted so I can see when they actually sent

(as opposed to disappearing into the void)

But really, I shouldn't have to detect that manually

That's where the new extension can be super useful

It could tell you when your message didn't send, or even automatically retry it

Twitch is NOT going to like that.

I'm sure they drop messages because they have to, not because they want to.

[lapis wedge]

Is there going to be an option to adjust the alternating message background color via hex? Similar to BTTV.

[drifting wharf]

That would be nice. My secondary monitor is ass and could use a bit more contrast.

[narrow wind]

That would be nice. I'd suggest writing it here: https://discord.com/channels/817075418054000661/1063506536154026024

[sacred pike]

they 100% do in large streams. I've watched my shit go off into the void

[narrow wind]

I know they DO

[sacred pike]

mr cow didnt read my funni message

[narrow wind]

I just meant they probably have to

but I say "probably" because maybe they're just being completely pepega

[sacred pike]

it makes sense when you see how many messages come in at a time on large streams/fast chats. it was a shock to see how often shit goes into the void for the first time tho

[thin flower]

can i ask what do i get if i try the beta?

[frank kite]

you get a paint

[versed temple]

The beta paint
Type in chat with the beta extension to get it

[frank kite]

https://twitter.com/Official_7TV/status/1619785183024275456

7TV (@Official_7TV)

Try out our new Browser Extension v3.0.0 beta and get a special paint!

Subscribers can also try out Personal Emotes ahead of full release.

---

⬇️ Download ⬇️
https://t.co/1zF5yMEaAy
https://t.co/q2jarzgYSY

Type in chat once to receive it 🟨⬛️😎
https://t.co/TD29ahAd8v

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Twitter · Jan 29, 2023, 7:50 PM

[thin flower]

like the color of your name?

[frank kite]

correct

[thin flower]

ok bet. last question, do i have to disable 7tv first or is it okay to have them both on?

[frank kite]

disable the 7tv extension to use the beta

[thin flower]

thanks

[frank kite]

[thin flower]

is this a bug? my timestamp in chat is broken

[sacred pike]

yeah that one is a known bug

[limpid stone]

thank you for the reply! ❤️

[pure sleet]

Is there a way to get that Mention alert back from bttv ?
After the beta version its not working anymore for me

[clever socket]

whats the criteria for personal emotes

no gifs

no wides?

[graceful oxide]

#news message

[clever socket]

[analog snow]

Is the 'crossed-out' message the beta version of message deleted?
Also, I think I replied to a message in a thread without replying to the first message, is that a feature?

[wind sapphire]

it's greyed out because it wasn't actually sent

[analog snow]

Not my message, I see someone else's message then a few seconds later it crosses out
And it was a message that might be deleted by mods

[gentle ridge]

Yes when a message is crossed out that means it was deleted or the person got timed out

When your messages are greyed out that means they werent sent

[patent pewter]

Before i even try, are StreamerDoesntKnow or DoesntKnow allowed as personal emotes ? They are locked into the set for an hour otherwise

[sacred pike]

what emote were you looking to add? I got a free slot that I dont care about for an hour

[covert sparrow]

i would assume "StreamerDoesntKnow or DoesntKnow"

[sacred pike]

pending review

[patent pewter]

They were both rejected

[tight cloud]

ALL BROKEN NOW 😦

[narrow wind]

"kekw"

[tight cloud]

[sacred pike]

might have to disable FFZ if you have it. someone else was getting the same problem yesterday

[tight cloud]

@sacred pike THANKS 🙂

[narrow wind]

KEKW

[drifting wharf]

[kindred crown]

hi hello just here to say i deployed beta 7 which does a few new things

also animated avatars are now supported and they refresh instantly instead of taking hours

[frank kite]

[pure zodiac]

[versed temple]

[sacred pike]

LETS GOOO

missed that mod slider

[vague fjord]

[kindred crown]

emojis were quite a pain in the ass so i hope you appreciate it the approach i took is quite novel too, i dont think anyone has implemented it that way before

all the emojis are loaded into memory and referenced as svg object pointers

[vague fjord]

simple really

[sacred pike]

def appreciate that one! there was a few times today I tried to do this ⭕ and had to copy paste from a google search

out of curiousity when you said vertical chat padding are you talking about the thing where the most recent message would sometimes be partially below the chat box?

[kindred crown]

ye

[frank kite]

its coming along mr tole

[sacred pike]

lets go! should that also fix when a stream is in slowmode and the message was behind that as well?

[kindred crown]

yea it is, parity should be reached before the end of the week

[frank kite]

actually massive

[kindred crown]

then im giving it until mid-feb to add some more stuff, fix issues, then we go live

[frank kite]

ITS SO CLOSE YALL

what other stuff is on the table? @kindred crown

just small things?

[sacred pike]

assume that means the beta tester paint is only available until release date then

[frank kite]

[kindred crown]

i mean do u think i wrote an entire new extension from the ground up only to stop at parity

[frank kite]

😭

im so sad that i cant even get that beta paint even when im using the beta

its so clean

[sacred pike]

why can't you get it? I been rocking over slashed which was my alltime fave

[true flower]

no you wrote it so we can contribute shitty code that sticks several components into an infinite

loop

[frank kite]

did you not hear the news?

[true flower]

and the only recourse is that vue is fast enough for you to not notice most of the time

[kindred crown]

[frank kite]

baldman im in jail for my conviction of multiple war crimes on twitch.tv

(not irl)

[sacred pike]

oh right....

we make a lidl alt

[frank kite]

fuck no

[versed temple]

when's the next appeal?

[frank kite]

april

[sacred pike]

what are they like every 3 months?

[narrow wind]

I'm pagging IRL

[amber kelp]

should re-arrange emotes. emoji to bottom, others on top

[covert sparrow]

i don't have all those other emotes at the bottom

do you have ffz installed

this happens when you hover over emotes now
https://discord.com/channels/817075418054000661/1063967063019888640

also is the 1x -> 4x or whatever it scales up to in the preview intentional

[amber kelp]

beta 7 just added them

oh oh the bottom ones

where are they from

[covert sparrow]

do you have any other emote extensions

[amber kelp]

just disabled ffz, no more

[covert sparrow]

well there ya go

[amber kelp]

[covert sparrow]

i think eventually there will be a rewrite to the ffz 7tv add-on

probably after beta is concluded

but it seems to conflict a bit with the beta

[amber kelp]

still need to put 7tv emotes on top

[covert sparrow]

there's probably just no specific priority atm

[amber kelp]

[narrow wind]

I don't have an opinion on their order yet

Gotta use it for a while

[sacred pike]

rather than forcing a certain order implementing a favorites system like FFZ has where you can just ctrl+ leftclick an emote and favorite it/add it to the top of the list would be top tier! not sure which is easier from a dev standpoint tho

[surreal zinc]

will the beta paint ever be a real paint rather than client side(only visible to you)?

[versed temple]

All paints are real paints

[narrow wind]

It’s a real paint. If you’re not subbed, other beta users can still see it. But if you’re subbed, all people can see it, even if they’re using the old extension still

[surreal zinc]

ahh ok, using beta on firefox and chrome on 2 diff accounts n cant see the paint between their messages

prob cause im not subbed i spose

[narrow wind]

I think the difference is due to the new cosmetics system

[narrow wind]

Are you using the beta on both Firefox and Chrome?

[surreal zinc]

yes, type on the chrome acc n paint only shows on that acc, and vice versa

[narrow wind]

Hmm.

Well that’s how I understood it to work at least, but I could be forgetting something

[covert sparrow]

I can't see it on v2 clients

[wild crane]

Is there a option or any word of a option to auto claim channel points?

Surely been suggested already so didn't want to make one and maybe the option exists just idk about it

[graceful oxide]

switching emote tabs feels a little laggy now

especially the emoji tab

it goes down to like 5fps and it takes a solid second to make the switch

scrolling through emojis is also laggy

[sacred pike]

doesn't exist yet but def will be added in the future

[versed yarrow]

adding beta reset all my bttv settings

just felt like mentioning

[tardy grotto]

Beta remakes the chat so every extension that has chat related stuff won't work

Also, don't run bttv and 7tv at the same time, even with the old extension

[versed yarrow]

10x

[old ice]

im doing the beta test and there is something that happened

had to log out and log back into 7tv and it took away my access to the subscription and it is saying that i need to re sub

[narrow wind]

https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/392348-twitch-auto-channel-points-claimer

You can use this

you need violentmonkey or tampermonkey or something though

[kindred crown]

by log out do you mean you unlinked your twitch connection then signed out

[old ice]

yes

[kindred crown]

why

[old ice]

my pc broke

[kindred crown]

either way right click the sign in button then log in with discord

[old ice]

and im using my moms laptop

its trash

[wild crane]

Sounds fun

[old ice]

kk thx

yeah it is

i cant even run discord

i cant even watch xqc

chat lags my pc

[wild crane]

But you think it will run twitch?

[old ice]

it does

[wild crane]

[old ice]

i was having trouble loggin in

[wild crane]

Hope you get your pc fixed

[old ice]

thx

[old ice]

@kindred crown i did and its says my old username tuxstv instead of tuuxs

but tuuxs and tuxstv are the same account

[kindred crown]

yeah thats normal

[old ice]

i just changed the username

oh

[kindred crown]

we dont support name changes atm

[old ice]

ok

my bad

[gentle ridge]

Is anyone else having the problem where its tabbing "om" when trying to tab OMEGALUL

[kindred crown]

ah

it might be tabbing an emoji

looks like emojis arent filtered out of tab completion

good catch

[gentle ridge]

yeah its doing it when i try to tab AlienPls too, its tabbing to just alien and alien-monster

[sacred pike]

asked for default emoji's and ruined everything

[kindred crown]

🕉️

is what it tabs to

Or 👽

[sacred pike]

👽 this one

and then for :om it goes to 🫀

[amber vigil]

was the mod slider bug fixed or is that planned in a upcoming update

[kindred crown]

it's fixed

[amber vigil]

ok thanks

[kindred crown]

Also i improved the performance of the emote menu

Shouldn't feel laggy next patch

It was having trouble with the thousands of emojis added to it lule

[sacred pike]

not even including twitch emotes 3rd party emotes alone could be what like 1150?

[wind sapphire]

almost 4800 emojis and emotes to load

[sacred pike]

oh right emojis now

[drifting wharf]

Will we be able to outright disable entire emote sets in future updates? Would be nice to disable Emoji, Hype Train Emotes and other useless stuff.

[gentle ridge]

are these icons just placeholders for now? https://i.imgur.com/QvQcUAg.png

[sacred pike]

🙂

[kindred crown]

placeholder yes

[gentle ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1005994332823760967.webp?size=48

[frank kite]

🙂

[kindred crown]

Btw we don't use a CDN for emojis, all of them are locally served

The extensions has all the emoji vectors within it (hence the 2MB bump to download size) and loads them into the page

theyre just all there, being referenced by their pointer

i was actually surprised that this ended up performing

it's absolutely not something youd do on a traditional website, but since this is offline content, it makes perfect sense

[drifting wharf]

[wind sapphire]

idk what any of that means

[kindred crown]

each <g> is one emoji, this is spread over multiple blocks of 350 each, for all ~4000 of them

these get gradually loaded into the page

[wind sapphire]

sounds good

[frank kite]

[kindred crown]

youll actually notice this if , after refreshing you open the menu and go to the emoji tab

see how the emojis slowly load in block by block (this is technically not necessary but is done to avoid stalling the ui thread, as for the first few seconds you probably dont need to see all emojis instantly)

it was more of a concept i was trying out, didnt think itd wind up a viable option, but so far it works pretty nicely

[sacred pike]

you mentioned this was different compared to how other extensions handle emojis? is there a perk to doing it this way or just proof of concept?

ahh nvm answered

[scenic pelican]

[kindred crown]

the way other extensions render emoji (ffz/bttv) i think is with an atlas

just a giant png

with positional indexes

the downside of this is it's bitmap and thus the emojis are low resolution

with the way i implemented it it's vector and will unconditionally look perfect

[drifting wharf]

What is the reason for not using the system default Emoji?

[kindred crown]

because they look like shit?

[drifting wharf]

[kindred crown]

also people want to be able to see emoji in the emote menu and use autocomplete

[drifting wharf]

Obviously that is highly subjective to begin with but I would imagine most people are just used to whatever their system uses.

[kindred crown]

well, this isn't a mobile app

it's a desktop browser extension

theres no default system emoji on desktop

technically there is on windows but have u even seen how those look

[drifting wharf]

Pretty sure both Windows and macOS have Emoji at "system level" for a while now. Like you can use Emoji in file names or wherever.

[kindred crown]

yeah but they look like poopoo

like they look bugged

and overly small

just not an acceptable solution

twemoji is the only good looking emoji set let's face it

unfortunate that it might be a dead project now

but doesnt matter , aint like the emoji spec is adding too much useful stuff anymore

[wind sapphire]

i like the old google emojis a lot

[kindred crown]

the blobs?

[wind sapphire]

not that old

[kindred crown]

those were S tier true

oh

[sacred pike]

oh man the blobs!

those were the days

[wind sapphire]

https://emojipedia.org/google/android-8.0/

[drifting wharf]

On macOS the Emoji are 160 pixels I think. That's not too bad.

[kindred crown]

emoji maintainers 🫃

[wind sapphire]

although i do think google emojis look very out of place on desktop

[kindred crown]

anything that isnt twemoji looks unnatural to me

[wind sapphire]

the absolute worst emojis out there are the old LG emojis

i had LG phones for years and never learnt how to fucking differentiate

[kindred crown]

have you seen the mozilla emoji set?

[wind sapphire]

they all look the fucking same https://emojipedia.org/lg/g3/

[kindred crown]

@true flower show her the mozilla emojis

[sacred pike]

that skull emoji

[wind sapphire]

mozilla are goofy with the ears but not as bad as old lg

[drifting wharf]

Wait, Microsoft has at least 3 different Emoji styles?
Different sets for Windows, Skype, Teams etc?

https://emojipedia.org/nerd-face/

Some are animated too.

[wind sapphire]

skype always had its own look so i guess they kept that

[kindred crown]

some vendors have multiple yeah

usually because of acquisitions

like a program they acquire already had an emoji set so they keep it because the users were used to it

[wind sapphire]

omg old fb messenger emojis were so goated https://emojipedia.org/messenger/

so cute

[kindred crown]

skype wasn't using emojis in the past though

they had their own

like

thing

emoticons

or smileys whatver they called them

they were animated and shit

[drifting wharf]

Which were also different from MSN smileys at the time of acquisition I guess.

What a bag of hurt.

[kindred crown]

yeah all that was before the emoji spec

or at least before companies accepted it as a standard

[true flower]

firefox has twimoji now

build in

also

you dont like the mozilla emojis?

whats not to love

[kindred crown]

ah

[kindred crown]

aaaaaaaaaaa

[true flower]

https://emojipedia.org/mozilla/

[kindred crown]

[wind sapphire]

whoever pitched the idea to add ears needs to be fired

[kindred crown]

i think they were

mozilla buried that shit

[drifting wharf]

Why are some of them blue.

[kindred crown]

[true flower]

yeah why are some fucking blue

[wind sapphire]

[true flower]

also

they replaced

all cat emojis

with foxes

[kindred crown]

🦊

[wind sapphire]

they tried to be quirky i guess

[true flower]

🐱

[sacred pike]

[true flower]

😻

[drifting wharf]

At least the fox ones make sense.

The blue ones and ears are just cursed.

[wind sapphire]

did u guys ever use kik

[kindred crown]

i dont even really understand why the cat emojis exist

its so weird

[wind sapphire]

u could buy special emoji packs on there

[kindred crown]

why cats

and why do cats specifically get smiley faces

[true flower]

true

[kindred crown]

i only ever heard of kik as a catfishing app

[true flower]

yeah i remember kik

[kindred crown]

i had a friend who did catfishing for money

[wind sapphire]

it def was

[kindred crown]

and was making banks out of it

[true flower]

ice cream emoji set >>>>>

[wind sapphire]

looks like fiverr npc emote packs

[true flower]

even the foxes

on the mozilla set

are fucked up

looks like something

that jason

would set as his pfp

[wind sapphire]

i used the sloths on kik

[kindred crown]

they look like some kind of made in china fox

[true flower]

eewww

why is everything so bad

buthole mouth

[wind sapphire]

those are sentient turds

[true flower]

[drifting wharf]

Well who did it best? https://emojipedia.org/skull/

[sacred pike]

wtf is that middle one

[gentle ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026961935297695847.webp?size=48

[true flower]

skype

[kindred crown]

wtf

wait so

[sacred pike]

yo that shit looks like they unearthed remains from some alien/predator hybrid

[drifting wharf]

[kindred crown]

did skype actually merge their "smileys" with emoji

and did animated stuff for ALL thje emojis

aint no way

[drifting wharf]

I didn't even know Skype was still around. I thought it got replaced with Teams or whatever.

[kindred crown]

its used by business mainly

[drifting wharf]

I know there was Skype Business back in the day but wasn't Team's whole purpose basically the Skype for… businesses.

We use Teams at work anyway. Or well, some do. I attend in person instead.

[kindred crown]

its the same thing i tihnk

like same program

teams = skype

might be wrong but thats what i imagined

[drifting wharf]

Would make sense. Or they're competing with themselves.

[wind sapphire]

skype still exists yeah

[kindred crown]

should i add info about when an emote was enabled and who added it, in the emote tooltips/cards

[wind sapphire]

mmm

[frank kite]

i say yes

[wind sapphire]

add it as an option?

[frank kite]

but SMALL

smol...

[kindred crown]

i think it can be inside the card rather than the tooltip

thats when you click an emote

[wind sapphire]

i was gonna put in a suggestion about add history actually

[kindred crown]

"recently added emotes" could be nice to have

[frank kite]

[kindred crown]

id like the extension to be as useful as the website

i think thats nice to have

especially as it's in a much cleaner state than the site atm

[frank kite]

[sacred pike]

[vital mortar]

Yes

[frank kite]

i love that you can see paints in vods

[pure zodiac]

$$fish

[cursive rampart]

👥 kiraa, No luck... 47 cm away (30s cooldown)

[pure zodiac]

%%dalle

$$cookie

[cursive rampart]

kiraa, You don't have the "cookie" alias!

[pure zodiac]

$cookie

[cursive rampart]

kiraa, Your daily cookie: If you love someone a lot, let them know before it's too late!

[narrow wind]

true

[carmine imp]

A bit unrelated but when do we get the name paint for beta testing?

I got two badges

[versed temple]

you should have the beta paint now if you have typed in any chat while having the beta extension on

[versed temple]

known bug if you unequipped a badge

[carmine imp]

Found it, ty

[wind sapphire]

am i remembering wrong or did u make it so u can use beta and ffz at the same time

[kindred crown]

it should be mostly compatible

But disable the 7tv ffz addon and colon completion in ffz settings

Next patch those will get turned off autonomously

[wind sapphire]

thanks

i was rly missing the delay showing under the player

[tardy grotto]

should pin this or something

[kindred crown]

.

[tardy grotto]

idk when the next patch is

[kindred crown]

A day or two

[tardy grotto]

well, until then

[timber scroll]

How to use paint?

[true flower]

select paint

[timber scroll]

where?

[short compass]

are you a sub? let's start with that

[timber scroll]

Do I have to be a subscriber for this?

[short compass]

yes

unless you mean the beta tester paint

[gentle ridge]

I assume you mean the beta paint. you dont have to be a sub for that paint

[short compass]

either way, to select a paint, you press here and choose one

[timber scroll]

Is this the 7tv app?

[short compass]

that's the website

[timber scroll]

Ok

Thanks

Looks like I did everything right, but still empty in "Paints". Btw I use Edge browser

[wind sapphire]

did you type in chat after installing the beta?

[timber scroll]

Yep

[wind sapphire]

make sure to disable the live extension (version 2) also

only have the beta enabled

[timber scroll]

all disabled

[true flower]

did you cock

[timid grail]

My 7TV Beta stopped working today so I turned off extension and turned it back on and still couldn't see my nameplate or badge in Twitch chat.

So I decided to sign-out of my 7TV account and to sign back in to fix the issue but now I cannot even sign back into 7TV on any browser. Just get an error message.

The extension is still working in Twitch chat to a certain degree for me, I can see all 7TV emotes and use them but my badge and nameplate will NOT appear and cannot sign back into the website.

[kindred crown]

you unlinked your twitch account?

looks like it i wouldnt call that signing out but just right click the sign in button then use discord to sign back in

relink your twitch account from there

@wind sapphire

randomly came across the component while making a different feature so i quickly added this in

[narrow wind]

🤙

ez clappers

Also add auto "moment" claiming too if you see it. xqcL

[frank kite]

moments

[narrow wind]

Although it almost seems like they're already claimed automatically if you happen to be watching at the time

not sure

but I've definitely gotten a lot without clicking anything

[kindred crown]

i'll add moments if i find it

not rn tho

wasnt actually looking for it

[narrow wind]

yeah I know

just if you happen across it

[wind sapphire]

huge

[timid grail]

Thank you that worked

[true flower]

where'd you find it

[kindred crown]

twitch.tv

[true flower]

ffz has a component criteria for it

I wonder how bttv does moments

if they just do a setInterval

[kindred crown]

eshrug already did it anyway, it just hooks the render function and checks if the button is being shown

[true flower]

works

I think this is what ffz does as well

[sacred pike]

auto claim! I can finally get rid of the random ass bitcoin miner I had doing it!

[kindred crown]

i think all the autoclaim addons are basically bitcoin miners think they all do the same thing which is querying the DOM on an interval

[gentle ridge]

ffz has one

[frank kite]

@river oyster true?

[kindred crown]

well raven's is exactly that, but im gonna assume all others (aside from ffz and 7tv) do the same shit

safe assumption to make because any small addon that adds 1 feature probably isnt making any effort to set up low level hooks on twitch's react

[true flower]

yeah i looked

bttv does this as well

their code is almost exactly as small as ravens

interval -> query for clickable button -> click it

🙂

[kindred crown]

[frank kite]

[river oyster]

true (true)

[frank kite]

true ((true)(true))

[sacred pike]

[uneven orbit]

Hiya, I'm a big fan of 7tv and I've just installed the 3.0 beta to try it out, I just can't find any way to add emotes to favorites like in the 2.2.3 version, is there any way to do this? if not I wanted to suggest you to implement such feature
good job so far tho

[kindred crown]

there was no way to add favorites in 2.2.3, but it is planned

[kindred crown]

wip thing will finish it tomorrow

highlights recent timeouts, bans and message deletions and shows a list of users who are actively timed out

[kindred crown]

layout type shit anyways gn

[versed temple]

[kindred crown]

i think some people will mald about this feature but i think they should just learn how to be transparent 💿

it does kinda bring the ability to the average joe to closely see what mods are doing

some other things like whether it was a bot timeout (and an option to filter those out) will also be added

[wet cedar]

that's sick wtf

[frank kite]

actual good setting

[kindred crown]

also the sword icon is to view messages from mods in general

[frank kite]

so like a mod chat?

[heavy widget]

yea idk. some mod actions are meant to keep the chat clean so normal users can enjoy a stream without interruptions. This feature, if available to everyone, would bring too much attention to the background work of a channel.

[wet cedar]

It's not much different from any of the extensions that bypass chat nukes or anything

[kindred crown]

chad transparency enjoyers dont care if something is "background"

[wet cedar]

I'm sure it can be disabled anyways if people don't care to access it

[heavy widget]

not everyone is a and I think it should at least be respected to have different opinions on that. streamers for sure will have

[kindred crown]

this is actually meant to be the replacement for the "user was timed out" messages that were in the old extension anyway

a cleaner and more useful alternative

[wet cedar]

I assume you hold the same stance on the option in extensions for deleted messages/banned users to not be removed from chat, yeah?

[frank kite]

or is this like why they were timed out?

[kindred crown]

lipton i dont think i worded it that badly
it lets you view messages sent by moderators

thats it

[wet cedar]

It tracks messages sent by mods, yeah

[frank kite]

oh

OH

holy fuck

[wet cedar]

[frank kite]

i now get it

not funny

[versed temple]

Mod aboose

[frank kite]

not funny

[heavy widget]

nope. These features are quiet similar but there are differences. deleted messages/bans in chat will go away after a few seconds depending on chat size. having a whole history of these events concentrated in one place will give it more attention and will lead to more discussions regarding them.

that's not good imo

[kindred crown]

if the community wants to discuss something, whats wrong with that

[wet cedar]

I mean a mod can just time someone out if they continue bringing up something that they no longer want discussed

that's on the chatter

[versed temple]

Mod log when raided by bots

[wet cedar]

I get what you're saying but I don't think it's as big of an issue as you're concerned it'll turn into

[kindred crown]

people already point out bans when it's just one grey message, the only difference this would really bring is users might be able to see patterns and raise questions, perhaps spot abuses of power

which is fine i think

[heavy widget]

(some) streamers like to have kind of control about what happens in their chat. at least kind of. I just think this feature would give the whole topic more attention than it needs to have as a normal viewer. transparency is nice and spotting abuse of power is a nice example of why this feature could be a benefit, but there are probably examples for why it isn't good as well. If a streamer don't want to have topic X in their chat and mods keep deleting messages about it, a log will lead to more question about topic X which isn't the intention of deleting those messages. idk, maybe I'm overthinking these. we'll se

*see

[kindred crown]

yeah i mean i expect a little bit of upset over this feature, there hasnt really been anything like it exposed to the average user before, so who knows what it'll do

[frank kite]

why would they be upset? dont they use chatterino?

[kindred crown]

but there are bright sides to it also

like it could help users understand whats not allowed in a community

[frank kite]

would this function be better than what chatterino does?

if so im all for it

[kindred crown]

they can check the things people get moderated for and see that they shouldnt type those things

[frank kite]

like mod blocks?

[versed temple]

I mean people will know the ban pattern with or without mod log either way. Not a whole lot of secrecy is affected

[frank kite]

[kindred crown]

lipton i have no idea what youre saying sorry

[frank kite]

its okay

lemme clarify again

[frank kite]

would this be actions like mods blocks a specific word, for example "LiptonGod has blocked Kappa"

or would this be more bans/timeouts

was that clarified more? sorry

[kindred crown]

only information that is exposed by twitch's servers

[frank kite]

interesting...

im all for it regardless

i know fs people will be upset about it but who cares

its a cool feature

actual equality to viewers

[heavy widget]

Actually a nice approach but don't forget that ~20% of people have an IQ below 85... Information is nice, and all of that is publicy available, but sometimes it's good to not focus all of that information to everyones attention

i mean... at least make it an optional feature disabled by default or something x)

[kindred crown]

if it actually brings toxicity i could consider adding a way to disable it on a channel

[frank kite]

more buttons mr tole!

[kindred crown]

but i dont see it becoming a big issue really

[narrow wind]

The info is already publicly available if you use chatterino

[kindred crown]

it is essentially just organizing public info

in a neat, searchable and consumable way

[narrow wind]

I’m 100% in favor of it

[frank kite]

i think if anything the only people who are more mad is gonna be the mods

[heavy widget]

yea but who cares about mods anyways

[frank kite]

[kindred crown]

this same UI is also useful for mods wanting to quickly review actions (when you're a mod, the reason and name of the actor will also appear)

[narrow wind]

Based 7tv with its massive install base Jiggachad

[frank kite]

actually huge

then its all equal then

[narrow wind]

3rd party software doing 3rd party things

inb4 aiden babyrages and gets timeout info hidden

[kindred crown]

mods cant mald because the extension is bringing them a bunch of new features

[frank kite]

not false

[kindred crown]

actually have many things lined up for mod tools

[frank kite]

is there gonna be more features in mod view?

[narrow wind]

/ban nightdev

[potent wraith]

Did you know Beemo supports Slash Commands? They are the new, recommended way to discover and run commands! Type / to see them all.

[frank kite]

even though its a useless viewing tool imo

[versed temple]

[frank kite]

i personally dont like it

[kindred crown]

m d view

[frank kite]

its so bad

[versed temple]

/ban Anson

[narrow wind]

*Anson was banned *

[frank kite]

i just use it to add mod block actions and thats it

[narrow wind]

$gn

[cursive rampart]

ansonx10 is now sleeping: 🛏💤

[wet cedar]

it's actually rancid to use, dear god
when I accidentally click the button to go to it I mald

[frank kite]

its so shit

im sorry to say it

ill always remember the guy who developed the mod view complained about twitch in that one twitter space

[kindred crown]

i cant imagine the dev experience of a twitch web engineer is very pleasing

given how awful the site runs

[frank kite]

yeah

[kindred crown]

which indicates it's riddled with bad code

[frank kite]

even when how much shit they change in the api

nope you cant run this api1!!

[kindred crown]

$gn

[cursive rampart]

anatole is now sleeping: 🛏💤

[frank kite]

$truck anatole

[cursive rampart]

You truck anatole into bed with the power of a V8 engine 👉🛏🚚

[wind sapphire]

this would be my main concern, there are definitely stuff that is blocked before it has ever been said in chat to protect privacy etc and needs to not be leaked

[frank kite]

i think those specific things are blocked

i think

[wind sapphire]

i hope so

[frank kite]

[wind sapphire]

im torn on this honestly

[frank kite]

dont think when i say shit like this is true btw

im honestly not sure

[wind sapphire]

i think this would be the best approach if it shows more than deleted messages, timeouts and bans

i know chatterino shows "saffy blocked the term X" in chatterino for all mods, so while that should still be shown to all mods i definitely don't think that should be visible to everyone in chat simply because it might contain sensitive information

[frank kite]

oh yeah ofc

[heavy widget]

Twitch also offers a private block list which is meant for privacy related terms and is only available for the streamer. Out of curiosity: Is this information available via chatterino as well?

[old ice]

will we get Safari support?

[wind sapphire]

i know, but that's only available to the broadcaster/channel owner and mods might have to add something on the fly

on chatterino you can see which term has just been blocked by other mods yes, the private list no

my preference would be for this to stay hidden to other chatters, at a stretch maybe "a blocked term was added" but that also feels quite silly to keep in

[tardy hearth]

xdd beta version made my potato laptop hang

[kindred crown]

@wind sapphire blocked terms aren't public

All this does is organize things like timeouts/bans neatly

[wind sapphire]

alright, im not opposed to that

[kindred crown]

Info other clients let you see as well, but with a fancy ui

[wind sapphire]

it's a cool idea

yeee

[sacred pike]

was just catching up on all this. I like it!

[kindred crown]

Just learned it is also public information when a user's timeout is removed

that's gonna be new, no clients show this info currently

[narrow wind]

ooh

[kindred crown]

@wind sapphire welp i was wrong, it is also public information when a blocked term is added or removed

it's going in

oh no no no there is so much information that is exposed actually

holy fuck

people are gonna be upset

[wind sapphire]

please dont

theres so much private info in blocked terms

names and adresses

[kindred crown]

🤜 💿 transparency

[wind sapphire]

if it just says a term was blocked thats a bit better but please dont show the term ☹️

[frank kite]

anatole i dont think you should apply that imo

[wind sapphire]

showing the term is too far

[frank kite]

thats too much sensitive information

[kindred crown]

yeah yeah it's just showing it's blocked, totally not showing all the info and which mod did it

[frank kite]

what the fuck

[kindred crown]

im so sorry

[wind sapphire]

i cant tell if youre being facetious

[frank kite]

i dont think it should be added

[kindred crown]

i mean

if it's public info already

and you just dont know

[frank kite]

theres a lot of people who want sensitive info blocked for that reason

[kindred crown]

then bad actors could already be listening to that data anyway

adding it in might just make twitch patch it

so it's a good thing

[heavy widget]

no

[frank kite]

i dont think so

[wind sapphire]

they could, but that doesnt mean you should make it readily available to people that didnt know they could use that info, and now might for bad reasons

[frank kite]

putting stuff in that is not known could lead to bad stuff

the emote thing for example

no one told twitch about it

at all

and every mf who did it got banned including me

so not sending tickets/bug reports is a bad thing

including blocked terms

[kindred crown]

this isnt an exploit though it's data being sent to clients

[wind sapphire]

i think adding that will give you some serious backlash and not just a couple upset people

[frank kite]

i agree saffy

[wind sapphire]

like genuinely not the best business decision

[frank kite]

^

i get its all public info and transparency matters, but when it comes to blocked terms, youll get a lot of heat for it

[kindred crown]

chaos reigns

[wind sapphire]

im being serious

[kindred crown]

[frank kite]

its a serious matter anatole

[kindred crown]

i'll make it default off

[sacred pike]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-gif-19539876

[kindred crown]

but i am displaying any info i see

[frank kite]

i still think it shouldnt be a thing, defaulted off or not

[wind sapphire]

i dont want to feel like my private information is being put at risk from a twitch extension

[kindred crown]

well you're wrong to think it's private to begin with

because it's not in this case

[frank kite]

i get that 100%

but you gotta remember who matters here

[wind sapphire]

i get that, but why are you so willing to present that info to people

[frank kite]

their personal information

like people put their address, state, ANYTHING

[heavy widget]

There will be so many streamers, probably some big streamers, which will get "private" data leaked within a matter of hours. Even though it's not really private, it's still private enough so 99.9% of people don't know about it

[kindred crown]

but why would you put your address in blocked terms

like

if anything

[frank kite]

because people will say your address

[kindred crown]

im doing you a favor by letting you know this isnt private

in fact

[frank kite]

THIS YOU??

[kindred crown]

im sorry to say this but that entire list of words

might actually be publicly available

im not gonna go out of my way to find it

and wont go that far

but this isnt protected

dont put your address there, bad idea

[wind sapphire]

normal blocked terms are shown to all mods of a channel yes, added terms are shown in chatterino to mods too, but i truly fail to see how anyone would benefit from the entire term being visible to all of chat

[heavy widget]

maybe report it to twitch or use your reach to bring enough attention to the topic so they might actually care.

[wind sapphire]

is that at least just the blocked list and not the private blocked list?

[kindred crown]

whats private blocked list?

[frank kite]

i would assume its the list thats made by mods

[wind sapphire]

its a separate list only visible to the channel owner

[frank kite]

theres a list in the dashboard settings that no mods, only broadcaster can see

[kindred crown]

its this

[frank kite]

no in dashboard settings

[kindred crown]

anything added or removed here is publicly available

[frank kite]

the private one just means theres terms that no mods can see in the mod view ever

[kindred crown]

where?

i can check

[heavy widget]

https://dashboard.twitch.tv/u/anatoleam/settings/moderation/blocked-terms

[frank kite]

^^

[sacred pike]

I think the streamer has to add it through the dashboard and choose it as a private term. Someone I mod for had their IRL name leaked by a friend who found their stream and she added her name private.

[frank kite]

they do yes

[wind sapphire]

if you choose to release this please be EXTREMELY CLEAR about it beforehand

so as many people as possible have time to move sensitive info to the private list

[kindred crown]

looks like if its set as private, it doesnt go out publicly

so that should be safe then

[sacred pike]

as long as private lists dont leak. im for it being included if the information being displayed is already publicly availible anyways. it not like by knowing a blocked term you're able to suddenly bypass them in the chat

[kindred crown]

yeah, also it can be annoying sometimes mods block something innocuous and you have no idea why your message wont send

[sacred pike]

yeah! that shit is irritating as fuck. people who have the word "and" or some other common used phrase.

[wind sapphire]

its really easy to figure out innocuous words though

[sacred pike]

by the same logic you could figure out other terms

[kindred crown]

yeah so ok should be fine if theres a split between public and private

not actually exposing anything bad

[wind sapphire]

idk im doubtful

[kindred crown]

we'll see we'll see

[heavy widget]

I think you're cherry picking arguments for your opinion. the negatives clearly overweigh I'm curious how this will turn out

[kindred crown]

the winner gets tea

thats fo rsure

[true flower]

@kindred crown yeah its been known for a while

that pubsub

is awful

it exposes nearly everything

[kindred crown]

yeah

[true flower]

and you can subscribe to or used to beable to subscribe to anything

I think at one point

[kindred crown]

i feel like twitch might go patch it if our extension makes it widely known

[true flower]

you could subscribe to other peoples whispers

[kindred crown]

so it's not a bad thing

holy fuck

[true flower]

it was like whispers.id.id

and theres tons of undocumented channels

that you can subscribe to

that arent public api info

[wind sapphire]

i do understand this is twitch's own fault but i think peoples trust in your business decisions should weigh heavier than "tea"

[true flower]

its literally their internal pubsub

exposed to the web

[kindred crown]

yeah just dont post any sensitive info on twitch at this point

[wind sapphire]

im gonna move my blocked terms to private right now

[heavy widget]

you have reach, use it. Why would you rather spread chaos by making the feature usable for hundreds of thousands of people instead of just pointing out the issue with a proof without giving every the tool to use it. sry i just don't get the logic of this "we can make it known" argument

[true flower]

also public/private

is for allowing access to mods

which is why it probably also doesnt show in pubsub

[kindred crown]

you think i have contacts at twitch?

[true flower]

technically you do

they just all ghost you

and hate 7tv

[wind sapphire]

you know people that know people

[heavy widget]

make a discord post with @everyone and people will spread it. no need to talk to twitch personaly

[kindred crown]

its not that crazy

[heavy widget]

not until someone releases a tool to make this information accessable

[kindred crown]

i understand it's upsetting to learn something you thought was private turns out not to be

but thats not my fault

[wind sapphire]

im not blaming you, i just find it frustrating to try and talk to you about it and be met with pepw chaos reigns

[heavy widget]

you still don't get the my point... there are different ways to make people aware of issues... why use the worst way, when there are plenty other?

[true flower]

i mean also

its not like theres really anything that isnt public exposed

except for the mod that added it

but if its your channel

then its not like its exposing anything

they still inherantly know whats blocked

because they're the ones who's message got blocked

[wind sapphire]

what

[kindred crown]

i mean, my philosophy is that everything moderators do should be public

it works like that on 7tv

we expose the names of mods who do X

every action by mods is tracked

whenever possible i will apply that

[true flower]

every mod action is sent over pubsub

[wind sapphire]

so someone posts your address and to make sure others dont do it, i add it to blocked terms which is just then immediately shown to all of chat, but its fine cause now they know not to try and post your address?

[true flower]

many of those hidden channels