#🐣︱classic-role-ideas

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stray cedar
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Ah I see.

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I'll read over it, and maybe try to change up the Insane if possible.

calm hare
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Another thing to keep in mind, is that if the role you are suggesting is also a role from another social deduction game, they have probably already heard of it and considered it

sturdy thorn
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pterodactyl, can swap role with someone if its a duck they die

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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  1. that would need to be a neutral role by name. 2. Role swapping and team swapping really are not conducive to deduction style gameplay
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and 3. neutrals have their own win conditions

sonic prism
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%role Paparazzi(Duck): If a player is in range of your vision for 45 seconds during a single round, you learn their role.

green nacelleBOT
calm hare
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That is a neat idea, but it would kind of make the spy obsolete

sonic prism
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If it seems too good maybe it should be a minute, I wanted to have a similar effect with a different niche

viral dove
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But being with someone for 45 seconds is pretty long, especially if it had to be continuous.

calm hare
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Also, does this include EVERYONE that is near them?

steep granite
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also, multiple charges or just once?

void halo
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I think some tweaks could make it viable. Make it have no visual indicator, so you have to know whether you stayed near them long enough. Make it to where you only learn the player's team (Goose, Duck, or Neutral). And make it to where you don't learn this info until the next meeting

sonic prism
calm hare
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"In general, you don’t really want to make a role obsolete (unless you have a very good reason or a very good idea). It’s better to add new content than to replace content. A counterexample would be a role that had two shots without consequences, instead of just one. This makes the vigilante obsolete."

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But yes, with work it could be fit in

void halo
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That's why I don't like it giving the exact role. That's what Spy does

calm hare
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poor mimic XD

sonic prism
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Only reason why I thought they should be different is that spy does not have to put itself at risk unless blind votes are off, while the paparazzi is actively following people for the whole round

calm hare
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Or you could just come up with some random reason to talk to someone, or just go stand by any of the difficult tasks XD

sonic prism
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For an entire minute?

calm hare
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I have sat there and talked to someone about random stuff for an entire round before

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Get in a game with SG_Vigilante and start talking to her and she'll never shut up XD

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It really depends on the players in the game for that one though

void halo
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Paparazzi could be a counter to the late-game grouping that tends to happen, even with Pigeon and Demolitionist

calm hare
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true

buoyant crow
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I don't think so. Late game tends to be when everyone begins to trust each other and claim roles

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What about a reverse spy of sorts. A duck that is able to discover the identity of a player if they vote for them and that player dies the next round

calm hare
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Personally, I don't think we need another spy type role, but that's me

viral dove
buoyant crow
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Has its uses. Not a great role, but in my opinion it's more useful than paparazzi duck

viral dove
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Is there any advantage to knowing a dead goose's role, outside of lying about your own? Especially as a couple like Canadian or Celebrity is kind of obvious?

void halo
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Yup, you can know that a Duck claiming to be Sheriff/Vig is lying, you can know a body was Dodo so someone nearby might likely have been the dueling Dodo, etc

calm hare
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I think Rognik meant more for the ducks to know the dead goose's role

buoyant crow
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Similar reasons. It helps weed out the dodos and falcons. Also can be useful to figure out what roles your partners have, for example, if you vote the Canadian and they die next round to a professional, you can determine if it was a professional kill, or might help you determine if they were killed by a sheriff, vigi, avenger, falcon, dodo play, demo bomb etc
Also useful for confirming if a player is a neutral role and not a goose.

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A lot of games I play, people tend to swap roles. A detective will get another player, say technician, to swap info. If you work out one was lying, you can sometimes save the assassin from failing a shot.

waxen oasis
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The defuser role as goose?

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Cannot be killed by a demolition bomb

gusty bone
waxen oasis
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Well this role is as useless as detective most of the time as it is hard to use

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Oh boy that is a very long text

gusty bone
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So why should it be added? The detective gives a semi-reliable way of finding ducks, the mortician can confirm Sheriffs, the Birdwatcher requires ducks to be able to come up with a convincing counter argument at all times.

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All roles (even the most useless seeming ones) have a purpose and change the way the game is played by everyone.

waxen oasis
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It’s a saving grace role sometimes when a goose will soon die to the bomb and they can give it to you

gusty bone
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Ok, so let’s say your the Demolitionist as the last duck (already a terrible situation). With this role alive, everyone could group around them and always give them the bomb when they get it, making a duck victory impossible.

waxen oasis
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But what if they split up?

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Or you can add a limit to it

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Like a time limit

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How long it takes for you to defuse a bomb

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Like demo takes. 35 seconds to pass the bomb

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And defusing cool down is 70 seconds

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Because look

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Pigeon has always a 5-10 second cooldown

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And also detective has a different cooldown then birdwatcher

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Vulture has a 5 second cooldown

gusty bone
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Now in that case, you’ve just halved the killing power of the least reliable killer in the game.

calm hare
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Kill prevention roles are a no go

lavish craterBOT
waxen oasis
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Ah

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I didn’t read that

calm hare
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No worries

waxen oasis
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Lemme read it first

gusty bone
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Yeah I was trying to get around to that, but as one of the devs said himself:
“I would delete GGD before I put in a kill stop/resurrection role” -Shawn

waxen oasis
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Hmm

gusty bone
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Here’s him putting it into words much better than I can:

waxen oasis
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I thought of a new one

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But

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I’m writing down the good and bad things about it

gusty bone
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Ah alr

waxen oasis
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Ok so this might sound stupid

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Before you completely cancel this idea

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I just wana say my thoughts

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Role changer-Goose

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This goose has a ability called snatch it takes the role from dead gooses/neutral/ducks

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As in

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If a sheriff kills

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You can Risk it 50/50 and grab the other dead persons role

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Or the sheriffs

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Why do I think this would be fun?

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Because one your not really canceling roles

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Like if you take the sheriffs ability

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You will die

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If u shoot a wrong goose

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If you take the vigi ability I can only kill once

gusty bone
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What are the technicalities behind it? How many times can it do this per game? Does it full transform you into that role or do you just get to use the ability (and if so, how many times)?

waxen oasis
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Once

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Like u take the corpses role

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You become that certain dead persons role

gusty bone
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Alignment changing.
If a goose has the chance, no matter how small, to turn into a duck, why would they do tasks?

void halo
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One of the core guidelines is no team swapping. So if you're including Neutrals and Ducks it's a non-starter.

gusty bone
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Ducks are more fun anyways

waxen oasis
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Ah

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Frick

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Wait no team swapping

languid girder
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New idea for a role: Star Track Duck!
The Star Track Duck can teleport once per round but has to place Point A and Point B pads on the floor.

mint gale
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This reveals the role immediately.

buoyant crow
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While fun, interesting and reasonably balanced, such roles do not fit within the scope of classic +

mint gale
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next.

waxen oasis
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Joker- place a fake corpse that can be reported

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I wrote that as a meme

gusty bone
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Duck I presume?

waxen oasis
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Don’t answer it

buoyant crow
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I'm not trying to be mean or discourage you, but so far everything you've mentioned had already been suggested multiple times

waxen oasis
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It’s fine

languid girder
calm hare
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yes

void halo
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Yes

buoyant crow
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Both of you actually

calm hare
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if you can just teleport the role can confirm who they are

buoyant crow
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It's good to come up with ideas though, just be sure to think then through fully using the guidelines

languid girder
mint gale
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No I say, "Wait here... watch".

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go off screen, teleport in.

buoyant crow
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OMG, Shawn is teleporter role!

gusty bone
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Either that or ppl think their game is lagging

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Which isn’t great

buoyant crow
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If you can come up with a game mode that uses such a role, that may be acceptable, but it wouldn't be added to classic+

languid girder
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True… damn. I wanted to dress my duck up as a star track character too.

calm hare
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If you haven't read the role document Thomas, I would highly recommend it

gusty bone
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they’ve got knockoff uniforms+ nexus colony has a teleporter

languid girder
calm hare
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Herbert put a lot of thought into it and it has a lot of really good points

gusty bone
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Yeah

languid girder
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Sorry

buoyant crow
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Nothing to apologise for, it's natural to want such things when you're excited about something

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We're only pointing out why they can't be added.

gusty bone
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Legit my first role posted here was a team swap role

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Everyone makes at least 7 bad role suggestions in their lifetime dodo

calm hare
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I honestly don't know if i've ever made a role suggestion XD

buoyant crow
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I've made a few, I'm sure they were all flawless... Flawless I say!

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Clearly they were so good the developers decided to not add them for fear they might become meta

calm hare
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oh yes, my reaper duck ability, could kill the geese ghosts after they died XD

buoyant crow
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Exactly! Kill the ghosts!

calm hare
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it was my idea to get the ghosts to have a bit more fun after death lol, but with spectator it's kind of a moot point now

buoyant crow
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I mean, it could slow task wins and ruin the game

gusty bone
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Honestly the fact that the Devs didn’t add the Disco Duck is just a testament to its amazingness when you think about it dodo

buoyant crow
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Or they're planning to release it in the next patch secretly

gusty bone
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Ooooh

buoyant crow
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Disclaimer : they aren't, but you get my point

gusty bone
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Yeah XD

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The Disco Duck-spiricy

calm hare
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good grief, if i search just in this channel messages from me, there are 33 pages of them XD

gusty bone
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Lmao I only have 7

waxen oasis
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Sheriff is the funnest

void halo
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I think the only real role I put forth was trying to fix someone's Phoenix role to where it could possibly fit into Classic + as a Neutral

waxen oasis
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I feel like there should be a role like gravy but gives all gooses a boost in coins if they win and survive, but if ducks kill it they will get a bonus if they win

calm hare
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I feel like that would make the gravy obsolete

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it would also encourage the geese to group up and protect that player

void halo
waxen oasis
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Right that will make pigeon op

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There will be a circle of people protecting you

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Who is level 900+ rn

calm hare
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"In general, you don’t really want to make a role obsolete (unless you have a very good reason or a very good idea). It’s better to add new content than to replace content. A counterexample would be a role that had two shots without consequences, instead of just one. This makes the vigilante obsolete."

waxen oasis
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Well besides the owner

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owners

void halo
waxen oasis
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The crazy bird?

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Nvm

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I take it back the description I wrote for it is stupid

calm hare
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Don't suppose it's a role who think's it is another role and/or doesnt' remember its role til it finishes tasks?

waxen oasis
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Wow u got 90% of it correct

calm hare
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Because everyone that has suggested a "insane bird" winds up with the same general idea so far XD

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XD

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you mean peafowl

waxen oasis
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So I can’t say the c word

calm hare
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no one can

waxen oasis
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I’ll just say

calm hare
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hence why i said peafowl lol

waxen oasis
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Pea-c

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Has anyone suggested pea-c?

calm hare
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been a few suggestions for a peafowl, including one that blinds people, one that works like the glitch in modded among us, one that covers their killer in bright feathers

waxen oasis
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Wow that is the most dumbest and most overpowered thing I ever seen

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Here’s my suggestion of pea-c

calm hare
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no ideas are dumb, they just don't fit in with c+

waxen oasis
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When the button like morphing is clicked

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They will rapidly change colors and their goal is the the same as falcon

calm hare
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so, a falcon with camoflauge

waxen oasis
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That’s what I had in mind

calm hare
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I could see it maybe replacing the falcon on a map, like the pelican will on the basement

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and it would have the same weakness a morphiling does, just follow it til it stops flashing colors

waxen oasis
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Oh it lasts 30 seconds

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And cooldown is 60 seconds

calm hare
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hmmm, the only issue I can think of offhand, is that flashing colors like that aren't exactly friendly to people with some disabilities

waxen oasis
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That is true

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Why don’t u make it like all the colors mushed together

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Like a rainbow

calm hare
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suppose that could work, it would also need to remove all cosmetics though

waxen oasis
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That is true

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Pea-c doesn’t seem to benefit anyone and doesn’t have a huge advantage

calm hare
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or cycle through the colors slowly, bascially morphing into each player in the lobby

waxen oasis
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Would that get you killed by sheriff instantly

calm hare
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if the sheriff saw someone changing colors like that. Would make them a target for any killing role for that matter

waxen oasis
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So it lasts for 15 seconds and cooldown is 45 seconds?

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Also

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Have u suggest some ideas?

calm hare
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not in almost a year and they didnt' fit in the C+

viral dove
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How's this for a role:
Freelancer [Goose] - Gains the talent of the last killed goose. After a meeting, freelancer gains an ability based on the last player killed. If it was a duck, there's a 50% chance of being able to vent and a 50% chance to get a kill ability. All kill powers work as if vigilante.

calm hare
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hmmm, kind of acts like the mortician, but with a high chance to find out part of a role and gaining an ability

viral dove
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Of course, things like Celebrity or Canadian, they wouldn't know. It's not great, but people want some kind of rotating role, and this is the closest I can think of without team switching.

waxen oasis
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What’s the cooldown

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On the skill

calm hare
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by what i read, they just take the ability of the last goose someone killed, so there wouldn't be a cooldown

dense socket
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I'm so sad. Among Us took my hypnotist killer role and called it warlock. I wanted it on Goose Goose Duck though...

void halo
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Warlock has been an Impostor role in modded for quite a while now. Pretty funny when you Warlock someone then end up killing a fellow Impostor with it. Or yourself.

edgy hedge
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Random idea I just had. So what if there was a goose that had a trust fall skill. If the person they use this ability on is a goose, we’ll, nothing happens, but if the person they trust fall is a duck or a neutral, the goose dies.

waxen oasis
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Isn’t that just detective but you die

buoyant crow
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No, at least detective has to find somebody who has killed. This just outs peoples roles. It would also confuse the matter of who is a duck, and who is a vulture.

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How do you come up with an excuse for somebody falling over dead right next to you with nobody else around close enough?

calm hare
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also, instantly confirmable. you just tell person X, "hey i'm going to go up to this person and trust fall, if I die they are bad"

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and in a full lobby, counting dodo, you have around a 7/8 chance of being right

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hmmm i'm bad at math, not quite that high

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dueling dodo, falcon, pigeon, vulture, 3 ducks.....5/7 if you consider you don't want to vote dodos out

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so in a full lobby you have a very good chance of just outing a netural or a duck, which completely removes deduction

viral dove
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There are 7 neutrals and 8 other geese in a full lobby of 16, so a trust fall would have a 7/15 chance of killing you, which is nearly 50%.

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And with seemingly no drawback for finding a goose, it's a powerful ability. But I think most people will agree that having an ability that just lets you die isn't that fun.

viral dove
# waxen oasis What’s the cooldown

For my freelancer idea, the cooldowns would be the same for whatever skill you happen to pick up. It would activate after a meeting, but only when someone died. Maybe if no one died in that round, there'd be a penalty of them having no ability? It needs a bit of workshopping.

sonic prism
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%role Pelican: Completes other player's tasks to win. Takes tasks from others, and if you complete it before they do, it's added to your bar. You can take both real and fake tasks, but it progresses the geese's bar if you take a real one. Players are only told that their task is stolen once the Pelican completes it. Has 8 to 18 tasks to do depending on lobby size, total tasks, and whether there are real or fake tasks for non geese.

green nacelleBOT
viral dove
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I believe there's a pelican coming on the next map, but the task seems interesting

sonic prism
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Oh I didnt know that, just thought "scooping up" tasks made sense for a name

storm crescent
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I haven't thought of a name for this, but is it possible you have a role that can emergency meeting whenever.?

sudden rampart
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youd be able to prove you were that role

viral dove
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I think that might count as an easily-confirmed role. Just have someone see you away from the button when you call it, and BOOM. Role proven

calm hare
steep moth
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Guess people will need a reminder next week thor_cool

sonic prism
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Didnt have time to watch the whole stream so I thought the trailer would suffice angel

buoyant crow
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Trying to consider how such a role might be viable

calm hare
buoyant crow
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I missed that

calm hare
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lol, it happens

quiet crest
void halo
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It might be on ToU too, it is for sure from The Other Roles

waxen oasis
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Role-Swan look and act beautiful ability-long neck look 15% further then normal gooses and act beautiful

calm hare
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And their win condition?

waxen oasis
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Be the last alive

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They get their kill at 3 people left

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Or

calm hare
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so it's a falcon that can see a bit further

waxen oasis
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Just a goose with neck

calm hare
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swan would be a neutral role, not a goose

steep moth
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we wouldnt make a new role that changes visual appearance as it takes away deduction and is a visually confirming role

calm hare
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That's why everyone looks like a goose!

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except chris, cause he has that creepy beard thing attached to his face, still think it might be a parasite

steep moth
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thought I had the other emoji lol

calm hare
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But ya, as far as "falcon that can see extra distance" that really doesn't bring anything new to the game mechanic wise

sonic prism
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%role Pheasant: Wins by surviving 4 hunting seasons. Hunting seasons are events similar to sabotages that trigger every 90 seconds or can be manually set by the pheasant. During the 20 seconds of the hunt all players gain a temporary ability to kill only the pheasant, and if manually triggered all players get a technician style circle, giving away their location.

green nacelleBOT
calm hare
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I'll be honest, that sounds more like a game mode

ancient kite
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%role third weal: lovers half to be on and if the third weal dies the lovers don't but if one of the lovers die so dose the third weal.

calm hare
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If I am interpreting that correctly, you mean a third wheel who dies with the lovers. That would mean 3 people getting killed in one shot which would really hurt the dynamic of the game

ancient kite
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%role jelis duck :they kill one of the lovers and become one of the lovers and get more money

green nacelleBOT
calm hare
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And that one would technically count as role swapping for one. For two introducing a mechanic that only works with one other specific role isn't really fun.

waxen oasis
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It would sound better as in third wheel lovers such as red and purple are in love, and for the third wheel lover red and orange are in love only dooming two people unless third wheel is dead

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Wait

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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That's a very good read if you want to suggest roles. It gives you an overview of what they are looking for

waxen oasis
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Mine?

calm hare
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Any role in general, I recommend everyone read the document

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TBH, if i had my way you would have to take a quiz based off the role document to get access to post XD

storm crescent
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An ability that can swap (any) player's location?

calm hare
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Teleporter from modded among us so it's already been thought about

storm crescent
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Hmm...

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%role Role: Weregoose I Ability: Can smell traces of blood from any dead people. If he smells 3 dead people or more, he kills the one next to him and devours him.

green nacelleBOT
buoyant crow
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So they have to use their ability on corpses and after three they can kill and eat one player?

What would be their win condition as this sounds like a neutral role

storm crescent
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Their smell is passive like if someone died, the player using this role can see fog traces of blood coming to it. The "kill a player after 3 people dead" means that he can't control the urge to kill and must feed.

calm hare
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That sounds more like it would be more dangerous to the geese than anyone else

compact sage
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I have a suggestion. The shadow goose. They can go invisible for 15 seconds but they have to do tasks to use the ability once per round. Also they can't be killed by an assassin in meeting as long as all their tasks are done if not done they can be assassinated like normal but only if all the tasks are done.

calm hare
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Camo Duck, coming soon to a basement near you

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Also, if it was a goose who could go invisible, that would be an easily confirmable role, which doesn't fit well in a game about deduction

compact sage
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That's just it it's like snoop goose but different instead of hiding in objects to get away from ducks he can stay stealthy and not get seen by a duck to be killed.

calm hare
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but it would be the only goose that could just vanish in front of people, meaning they could confirm a good guy. This works against making people actually work to figure out other people's roles

storm crescent
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@calm hare Do you know Enemy on Board?

calm hare
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Can't say i do

storm crescent
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I was thinking of taking the Spider as an inspiration for this role. The role I thought of is the Spider-Duck. This role's ability can place limited web traps that slows people.

calm hare
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Trap roles have already been discussed and given the way the maps are designed were considered not feasible

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you could block off entire areas of a map with traps

storm crescent
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What if the trap is part of the map? (Not related to my suggested role)

calm hare
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If a trap is built into the map that would be a different matter, because the map would be designed with that involved

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such as the chandelier in mallard manor

storm crescent
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Can the traps be not included in the sabotage menu? Like if a duck activated it, it activates either instantly or timely?

calm hare
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There hasn't ever been a trap that the duck has to activate from somewhere other than the Sabo menu

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So I am not sure on that one

viral dove
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If you wanted a Trapper Duck to activate their traps not from the sabo menu, it would probably replace their venting ability.

storm crescent
viral dove
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Is it? Most of the other vent-replacing abilities help you get away with a kill. I'm not sure the traps are on the same level.

storm crescent
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If the traps can either kill a random player, its fair play. Since its hard to prove who's who activated it. Also, if the activated trap isn't triggered, its still activated in the next round.

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Like how the morphling can morph even if its injection is from first round.

calm hare
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not a command anymore, however

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Have you guys considered a type of trapper duck?

We have! It's been suggested several times. The idea could work, but as it currently stands, the role would be difficult to pull off in our existing maps. Having not been made with this in mind , the hallways and spaces in the existing three maps are a bit tight, allowing for these traps to zone out entire areas. Consider the bridge leading to comms in SS Goose, or the teleporter in Nexus colony, for example.

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and the same applies to the latest maps as well

viral dove
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Yeah, all of the maps have narrow halls and dead ends, so trapping one of those dead ends locks it off. Either a guaranteed kill or prevents a task from being done.

calm hare
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exactamundo

sudden rampart
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so the answer would be timeless

calm hare
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lol, that's a good point, i'll edit that out next time

lavish craterBOT
viral dove
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Also, what would being able to follow someone bring to the game? Most people get voted out if they are repeatedly followed, or killed if they aren't killing.

high hill
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Time Power Duck:
At first, you can stop the time by 0.5 seconds,
As the rounds pass, the amount of time you can pause increases.
Can stop for up to 10 seconds
In the stopped time, people cannot move, and they cannot feel or see that time has stopped.
Also, the kill cooldown does not fill during paused time.

calm hare
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if they can't move, how exactly are they not going to notice that time stopped?

viral dove
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Also, some people might thing that their internet is lacking instead of an actual game mechanic.

calm hare
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if there isn't an indicator they are going to think the game is just bugged out

high hill
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When time stops, vision decreases

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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"An extension of this are roles where you control another player’s actions. Really you’re just disabling their whole game at that point and the lack of agency for a player on the receiving end of that sucks."

high hill
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oh i see

calm hare
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It's a very good document that Herbert put together to give people more of an idea what they look for in role creation

high hill
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(neutral) crow
It can be transmitted to geese and ducks, and can be made into its own.
If everyone is on the side of the crow, the crow can bring bad luck to everyone.
Bad Bad: Effect of dying after a certain amount of time

calm hare
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I'll be honest, I am not entirely sure what exactly you are going for with that one

brazen tree
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If I understand it right it's a role that kind of infect people into a crow and when everyone is infected they start dying after some time

calm hare
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So..a pigeon without a reset during meetings

brazen tree
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And kind of a timer at the end

calm hare
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A role like that would still make the pigeon obsolete really

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and if they turn other people into crows that would be team swapping

brazen tree
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Yee

sonic prism
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%role Supervisor(goose): Can view a report of the last 3 tasks completed (fake tasks count!). Helpful for possibly clearing people's locations and calling out people just standing close to one do a sabotage. Can find the general location of multiple players early on, although inaccurate but gets more precise during the end of the game when most tasks are already done.

green nacelleBOT
calm hare
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In theory, if people have been doing their tasks, this role would actually get less useful towards end game

sonic prism
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That is also true, it all depends on the pace of the game and if people are rushing to finish up.

calm hare
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as far as people standing next to a sabotage, if it only gives you the last 3 tasks completed that doesnt' really tell you they have been standing near one

sonic prism
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If they would be done, in theory you could check to see if they actually did the task designated there

calm hare
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so, are you saying they can check everyone's tasks? does this happen during meetings?

sonic prism
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Probably it would be like medium, but it gives you the last 3 tasks completed by everyone.

calm hare
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maybe I haven't slept enough for something, but I really don't see how this would help for deductions

sonic prism
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Let's say you see: Print money, Speak to captain, Fluff pillows on the list. You can determine that there is somebody in the factory, docks, and at the mayor's office which you could vouch for

calm hare
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you mean, you could say there WAS someone there. If any of those tasks were completed 30s-1m before you did that who knows where they went to

sonic prism
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Tasks usually get done faster early on so it would be more reliable to see where people were

calm hare
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it would also require you to ask people what their tasks were for the round

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and if you can name off the tasks that were completed, that's a pretty easy way to confirm yourself as a "good guy"

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also, in regards to the meta of the game, we already have vigilantes and sheriffs that just hover around the sabo areas waiting for someone to do them so they can shoot. This would give the geese a huge advantage in just proving that someone didn't actually rake the leaves but did the sabotage because raking leaves didnt' show up on the list

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particularly if you could just spam the ability willy nilly everytime it was available like medium

viral dove
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Except in the rare case that ducks get the Rake Leaves fake task

calm hare
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I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that the way you have it now, it has way too much power

waxen spear
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Just Like the Gravy goose Can you please make it so Esper Goose can not get shot by the Assasian

calm hare
waxen oasis
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Monitor role?

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For goose

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Place a tracker on a person per game

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It will show the person on the mini map every 5 seconds

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Also it’s per game not round or else it would be to overpowered

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And it’s only available for manor

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It isn’t allowed in jungle, ssmother goose

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Or black swan

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And if that person

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Dies

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You wasted your ability congrats

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And if he’s alive then you just see a red dot on your screen beeping every 5 seconds as in indicating where he is

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And when the person that your tracking dies

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They disappear from the map and you just need to go to the location

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Also it will not show for the other gooses

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Only you

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Why should this only be on manor because the role will be obvious to detect a single duck since there are vents in other maps

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Also the kill button will function as a vigilante timer

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But when it’s used, it functions as a user vigilante timer

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You may not retrieve the tracker from a corpse

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The only thing I see this role will be annoying to are the snoop and the ducks that can hide in closets

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And hi Chris

steep moth
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(try to think things through and 1 message rather than 20)

waxen oasis
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Good morning

steep moth
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Afternoon thor_noyou

waxen oasis
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Ok

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I just wanted to be specific

steep moth
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as you should be with ideas, think it out and try to limit messages because this one idea is becoming a little spammy wink (21 messages that should be 1 or 2)

waxen oasis
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Alright I wrote is like this as to explain it doesn’t break the rules on the creating a role document

calm hare
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oh?

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Let's get started then.

  1. What do you mean by a vigilante timer?
  2. Why should they take the time to make a role that is only used on one map?
  3. This is a role, like vulture that could instantly confirm who they are
waxen oasis
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I explained 1

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Umm identity thief and morphling

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People can’t even tell

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Because other gooses can’t see it

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Not ducks

calm hare
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only identity thief is only on a single map and is likely to show up again later

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And other geese don't have to see it, all I have to say is "i put a tracker on you, go somewhere and I"ll find you to prove it"

waxen oasis
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Assassin will just blast you

gusty bone
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and if there is no assassin?

waxen oasis
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Ducks will kill you before you find that person

calm hare
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will they? you can guarantee that?

waxen oasis
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Why wouldn’t ducks kill confirmed people

calm hare
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Because some confirmed roles aren't worth taking out early

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I'll kill the birdwatcher in a heartbeat if I know their role

waxen oasis
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So your saying oh I’m vulture kill someone and I’ll eat a body but I’m not with ducks

calm hare
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same for sheriff and vigi

waxen oasis
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And you only detect that one person

calm hare
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Medium i'm not going to target first

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MEchanic/Snoop dies if i find them

gusty bone
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Listen, there are only 2 roles that revolve around getting the person with them confirmed

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those 2 are politician and locksmith, the 2 most hated roles in the game

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because they've been balanced accordingly

waxen oasis
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But they aren’t in most maps

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Well one of them

calm hare
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Personally, I'd rather seem them making new things instead of creating a role for just one map, like what they have planned for the basement

waxen oasis
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This role is basically single use class like cannibal and vigilante

gusty bone
calm hare
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also, say the person you tag is pigeon or a duck, "oh look my tracker says they are supposed to be here but I don't see them, must be in a closet"

waxen oasis
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And it’s only single use

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And it’s almost like vigi

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Use it once and your a normal goose

calm hare
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I'm also going to put in my usual disclaimer, we aren't being mean or criticizing you personally, we pick apart every role

waxen oasis
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I know.

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I’m literally just explaining it back

gusty bone
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Idk now it feels underwhelming for a single use ability

calm hare
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Also, your reason for having it only on the manor? I can poke a hole in that. It is very possible for a duck/snoop/pigeon to hide in one place and pop out of another, which would show up on the tracker

waxen oasis
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Are you talking about vents

calm hare
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You're forgetting the toilet

waxen oasis
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But you can’t move places in the closet

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And the dot ticks every 5 seconds

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It’s not just gonna move on the map

calm hare
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except the toilet can send you over to the fishing pond

waxen oasis
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Like it’s only one use

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It’s almost like a risk factor

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Like if you die before you tell people no one else will know

calm hare
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I'll also add, as a final bit of note here, that tracker role has been suggested something over a dozen times. If there is a way to put it in and have it be balanced they will. And if they decide that they dont' want a tracker, well they are at least...tracking...that such a role is a possibility

waxen oasis
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But my role isn’t called tracker

calm hare
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The bot actually used to have a command for tracker style roles

waxen oasis
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It’s called monitor

calm hare
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Doesn't matter what you call it, it still fulfills the basics of a tracker role

waxen oasis
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Alright

calm hare
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Also "If you can't word it in 2 SHORT sentences it's too complicated to put in." that's from the pinned messages

waxen oasis
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Ok

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Got it

serene heart
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%role The Crow (goose->neutral role): Plays as a Goose until killed or voted out; comes back like Ghouls and wins by killing the one that killed them and/or voted them out (could be more than one). Downside: Colorblind and deaf (everyone looks the same and can't hear anything). Purpose: Vengence/Chaos.

green nacelleBOT
calm hare
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So if it never gets killed it has no chance of winning?

serene heart
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never gets killed, wins as Goose

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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  1. Team Swap Role
  2. Revival Role
serene heart
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ah, thought it as thematic as another bird, oh well.

calm hare
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keep in mind, it's not that it is a bad idea, just that it doesn't really fit in the C+ game mode

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and revival, team swapping, and kill stopping are kind of some of the biggest no goes for roles

waxen spear
gusty bone
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By that logic, every role shouldn't be able to be assassinated because someone could be stream sniping them.

waxen spear
gusty bone
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At that point, you could just turn off assassin dodo

waxen spear
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can you please Turn Lovers into a modifier People Don't Like the Lover Role because People are just Basically a regular Goose and Duck In Among us Mods Lovers was a modifier and People in Town of us and The other Roles preferred it that way because The lovers have suport for the other roles

gusty bone
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Making it a modifier would ruin the balance of the game, Imagine a lover sheriff getting 3 geese killed with one mis-kill

waxen spear
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Role: Phantom after getting murdered After a Meeting, you Spawn in a vent The you need to do you tasks to win without getting seen

green nacelleBOT
gusty bone
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Also, if it came from an among us mod, the devs have likely already considered it dodo

waxen spear
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Thanks for the Pelican role

viral dove
calm hare
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Really it is a moot point as they just copied the role idea from modded among us, which means the devs are 100% aware it is a thing and have either already dismissed it right out or will come out with their own version if they want to

silent elk
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Rework for adventurer: You will be immun to any sabotages exept for the fire one.

steep moth
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I don't think adventurer needs a rework, but out of curiosity why not the fire one? thor_fine

silent elk
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You can't be immun to the fire sabotages because if the cooldown runs out the ducks win

steep moth
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ok I will grant immunity from the door sabotage to the adventurer

sudden rampart
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what about the poison sabotage

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birds gotta drink

silent elk
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If that is possible ok, but what I meant was that you still have full vision even when the lights are out or that the fog doesn't affect you

sudden rampart
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birds have to drink

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sorry we cant do it

silent elk
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Ok

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Are planning on reworking roles at all?

steep moth
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We've reworked roles in the past like the medium, detective, birdwatcher

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but never to give roles more power

sudden rampart
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whatd you have in mind jens

steep moth
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this suggestion gives a significant boost to the geese at no cost. Have to keep balance in mind

silent elk
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Another complete rework for the avenger: He can't kill anymore but instad he can mark someone in the meeting. If you would get killed the Player you marked also gets killed then.

sudden rampart
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i have a new role

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you're a duck, but instead of being able to kill, you can diplomatically talk about your differences

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doubles meeting time

mint gale
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More of a Romeo and Juliet play >

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Wouldn't really be fun for the other player. Dying without knowing why.

stuck torrent
silent elk
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Xd

storm crescent
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I have a random idea. A duck that can force pair anyone for one round.

calm hare
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as in force two people to be lovers?

storm crescent
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No

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Like their feet has a chain or rope tied to them.

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And can only be separated for a limited distance.

calm hare
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I don't really see the point to that kind of role personally. If the chain was visible it instantly outs the duck. if the chain is invisible people are going to think the game is bugged

storm crescent
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What if the chain ability can only be activated in meetings?

calm hare
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I believe that would fall under the following paragraph from the role document "An extension of this are roles where you control another player’s actions. Really you’re just disabling their whole game at that point and the lack of agency for a player on the receiving end of that sucks."

quiet crest
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%role The Haunted-This role is a neutral. They must Haunt alteast 10% of the players to win. they also can ahunt a palyer that kills them in a meeting once.

green nacelleBOT
viral dove
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What defines a haunt? In a full game, 10% of players is 1.5, so do you round up or down? What does it mean to be haunted?

storm crescent
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%role Name: Gambling Goose I Role: Goose I Ability: Roll a dice and the number below decides what happens:
1 – Roll-a-dice button turns into a kill button
2 to 5 – Does nothing
6 – Blow up
P.S the ability can only activate for each round

gusty bone
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Idk, if I had an RNG based role I’d want it to do a bit more funky things than “kill”, “nothing”, and “just die”

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Like what if there were more things on the dice, and instead of both of those, you’re immediately given a bomb with 15 seconds on it? That would cover both bases and cause a bit more interesting gameplay than just dying.

edgy gale
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The checker: They have a 1 time use role, and can check a players role

To get the ability, they have to finish their tasks, only they can see the information, and the person checked isn’t informed about out

(Pretty much the spy duck, but as a goose role)

2nd idea: The possessor

They behave like a normal duck, but when they’re killed, they can possess a player of their choice for 10 seconds (completely controlling the person they picked) and can kill in the 10 second time frame

They get a button that shows a ghost next to a living goose, and when clicking it, they get a list of every living player and picks one

(Game treats it l like the vigilante, so game won’t end appon possessing someone)

Ability can only be used 1 time, and ducks know who’s possessed

(An interesting role that could shake up gameplay)

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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1st Idea: Spy as goose has been suggested many times. The problem with this is that "Fundamentally, Classic+ is a game of social deduction where an informed minority of ducks are working against an uninformed majority of geese (and throw in a few neutrals)." The more information you give the geese the less deduction is actually being done.
2nd Idea has a section already dedicated to why it won't work in C+, "An extension of this are roles where you control another player’s actions. Really you’re just disabling their whole game at that point and the lack of agency for a player on the receiving end of that sucks."

viral dove
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Not to mention the innumerable problems that could come from losing control of a character, from lag to servers being down, or getting the character killed due to some action.

quiet crest
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Here is some ideas i have laid

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huh %role doesnt work anymore?

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%role The Haunted-this is a Goose role. They can haunt a player letting the Haunted know if they have killed or not. ofc this will Not that op as we have the Vigilante,Avenger,Sheriff and so on.

calm hare
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What do you mean by haunt?

full vortex
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A duck that can sabotage people's abilitys they can only use it 1 time each round, for example if they choose to sabotage the medium and the medium later tries to use their role next to someone they will kill that person instead of seeing how many people have died

calm hare
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What's the downside for the duck?

full vortex
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There is no guarantee that the sabataged person will be by another player,if the medium used their ability alone nothing would happen

calm hare
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Not really a downside for the duck

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Also, I see this ability causing people to think their game is suddenly bugged

full vortex
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If it works on anyone near by, they could kill a duck, and yeah I can see it confusing people that's good point

quiet crest
quiet crest
calm hare
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I'm thinking that due to language barriers I'm not really grasping what you are trying to suggest in all honesty

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Both are roles featured in modded Among Us so the devs are well aware of their existence

quiet crest
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oh well nwm then_

calm hare
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Small bit of knowledge before I go to bed, you will notice there is a person named SlushieGoose that is part of the gaggle crew. They were a big part of developing modded among us. It is best, when suggesting roles, to avoid roles you have seen in other games and/or modded versions of other social deduction games because I can almost guarantee they have already heard about it.

quiet crest
storm crescent
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A role that can leave behind random items?

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Like place a box here and when someone opens it. They either get cool stuff, or... poo.

void halo
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What kind of cool stuff

mint gale
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Just poo

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It's always poo

void halo
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Definitely a Goose role then

oblique acorn
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%role name: turkey, role: goose, only available in rounds with a role that eats bodies (vulture, cannibal duck), basically a regular goose except for if their body is eaten, the one that eats the body dies after 5 seconds. its like being poisoned.

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vultures have very little to worry about when eating bodies except being caught by others, eating the turkey does not count as one of the bodies for a vulture win, so if the turkey was the last to be eaten by a vulture they dont win.

storm crescent
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An (Easter Egg) role that enables snowball fight for a minute after completing the whole task?

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By Easter egg, I mean a chance that someone will randomly be this role.

lavish craterBOT
buoyant crow
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I'm not sure how a snowball fight is even supposed to work. Does it give every alive player a snowball to throw in a straight line in front of them? What happens when it hits someone? Nothing?

mint gale
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Snowball fight in this engine?

viral dove
woven topaz
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That does however nullify the whole idea of a snowball fight

mint gale
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I don't think our game engine is designed to handle interactive projectile physics

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we could fake it but it wouldn't feel good

full vortex
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It would be nullified, if the goose can a: aready kill or b: has no active ability it would be nulled @viral dove

viral dove
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Still didn't answer if there was no viable target in range.

full vortex
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Oh sorry I ment for that one it would also be nullied

green nacelleBOT
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Thanks @quiet crest for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it happy

quiet crest
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ah there we go the Bpt is abck!

calm hare
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  1. That would be a pretty big hit to one of the ducks' major advantages on the jungle map and they are already outnumbered
  2. Just having the information that someone has killed is entirely overpowered. In a full game you have up to 6 killing roles and only 2 of them are good. You have pretty good odds of the killing role being bad
  3. This would be a team swap, which is a no go
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Also in regards to the haunting, not only are you getting information that they killed, but you are getting the info of exactly WHEN they killed

quiet crest
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Miner blocks the passageways. Just one of the manhy Passageways.

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Not where just a Alert.

calm hare
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Question, have you read the role document?

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Because by the sound of it your haunting role would make either the detective or the celebrity obsolete, and i'll cite this from the document, "In general, you don’t really want to make a role obsolete (unless you have a very good reason or a very good idea). It’s better to add new content than to replace content. A counterexample would be a role that had two shots without consequences, instead of just one. This makes the vigilante obsolete."

lavish craterBOT
waxen spear
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thabjs fir the pelican role

calm hare
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I don't see how any of this is an idea for roles

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But if you want more information on the basement map, stop by the dev stream tomorrow, information is in #816356997564727367

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In the future, general questions like what you have there can be talked about in #💬︱general , this channel is for proposing and discussing ideas for new roles

languid girder
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Ok how about this: The Hummingbird!

The Hummingbird is a super fast bird that’s takes half the time to do tasks.

calm hare
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Well, "hummingbird" would be a neutral role and need its own win condition. Also, any ability that makes someone faster/slower than the rest would instantly confirm their role to everyone else. The game is about deduction after all

lavish craterBOT
molten maple
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I'm not sure if this is too imbalanced or easy to do (could probably be tweaked) and I'm not sure what it'd be called but

It'd be interesting to see a role that wins by killing a duck with an environmental sabotage after being voted/killed. I don't think they'd have access to every sabotage and just the environmental ones, but I think it'd be a fun concept to work with and would give geese a chance to win even if they're running low on numbers and may cause ducks to take alternative routes to avoid these traps

Edit : To make this more difficult, they have to kill their killer? Make them a sort of vengeful ghost :>

calm hare
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So, a goose that can use the duck sabos? The ducks are massively outnumbered as it is and if someone that wasn't the ducks could just take over their sabo that would severely hurt the game for them. Could also cause living ducks to be confused or think it's a bug when traps trigger without a duck having done it

molten maple
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Ahh understandable. I'm not entirely sure how well it could be balanced and I can see how it could be considered unbalanced in larger lobbies with more geese

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I also think that the ducks would have to unlock them first in order for the ghost to use them, so it's entirely possible for ducks to decide not to unlock them if they suspect a vengeful ghost may be around

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Could add a layer of strategy for the ducks potentially like the mimic role does in a sense

calm hare
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There is also the problem that the sabotages for environmental kills are not always available, even to the ducks

molten maple
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Yeah there are limited options for this role, I will admit, and I'd hate to see it locked to certain maps

calm hare
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If you haven't already, i highly suggest you read this

lavish craterBOT
molten maple
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Is there a particular point that this breaks? I suppose there are a couple I can see it going against, like it having a really high win rate of given the opportunity and also the fact that it isn't applicable to all maps but other than that I think quite a bit of it could be worked around. That and I can see it heavily interfering with the ducks but I wonder if it would be possible to potentially have there be a notification like with the celebrity that triggers if this ghost triggers a trap except it alerts everyone? it could keep people from thinking it's a glitch when they do activate. it could also be balanced by locking the member from environmental sabos if they (or other ducks even if we really wanna make it interesting) accidentally kill a fellow goose with one. it's relatively hard to kill with environmental sabotages in the first place (at least in my opinion) so I'm not sure how likely it would be to win with this role

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I was just wondering if there were any other questions or points you wanted me to specifically look at or change about it?

calm hare
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Oh nothing specific. I just encourage everyone to read that if they want to post roles. I do know that they have repeatedly said that roles like the locksmith are not getting the power to unlock any door as this unbalances the sabotages in favor of the geese. I see them saying the same thing to this kind of role.

molten maple
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Truuuue

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Okay yeah that makes sense :>

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I can see why they want to keep the sabos to the ducks only

calm hare
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but they will see the role you posted and make a decisions on their own. I'm just a simple moderator who's been around for awhile and I poke holes in roles posted here regularly XD

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nothing personal about it

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I will give you credit, however, as I don't think I've seen a role like what you posted in here before

molten maple
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I actually appreciate that you make people rethink their ideas! Makes them more interesting

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And if this does go any further, credit would be appreciated as well! heart

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(I think I misread that ack)

calm hare
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OH the devs are very good about crediting people when they adopt an idea. Lots of the cosmetics have been done by community artists

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And thank you for having a pleasant discussion about this. Some people take it a bit personally when I poke holes in their ideas

molten maple
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Nonono I love constructive criticism/feedback! I don't mind it at all!

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Mods deserve respect for all the shit they go through (I mod/admin a few servers myself)

calm hare
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I do appreciate it. Also, it is much nicer having a discussion about a role I haven't seen suggested before rather than having to tell someone that it's already been suggested a dozen times or more

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Doesn't mean that the idea is bad, just that lots of other people have had the same idea lol

molten maple
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Yeaaaah I can imagine you'd get similar ideas pretty often :<

calm hare
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There are actually relatively few 100% no goes for roles, unless the devs add more. 1. No Revival, 2. No Team Swapping, 3. The Kill Button Always works aka, no kill stop abilities

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other than that it is mostly a discussion about how a role would work for the meta and balance

molten maple
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Yeah that's why I was so confused about how the hell the bodyguard worked because at first glance I thought it acted as a kill blocker or something (I still haven't had much experience with the role yet, all i know is my first bodyguard and i got double killed 😅)

calm hare
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lol yes, it does stop the target from getting killed, but the BG gets killed instead. The button was pressed, someone dies. Not necessarily the person who was targetted, but someone. And ninja can kill both of they are close to each other

molten maple
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Ahh that explains it much better! Thank you! It just didn't quite make sense when we got teamed up on lol

dense umbra
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How about the taskmaster?
At the start of the round, it is given 4 tasks (these tasks do not contribute to the task meter) that it has to complete. When completed, it is given the ability to kill, however, when it kills someone, it can’t kill anybody else until a meeting is called, which afterwards is given 4 different tasks to complete again and kill somebody again. The ducks cannot win if the taskmaster is still alive, and taskmaster wins if there is only 1 other person. (It’s a neutral role btw)

lapis cipher
dense umbra
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Maybe it could be able to do sabotage tasks and stuff, and trigger the technicians thing too

twilit gale
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%role Hello! Brand new here. My friend sent me this way because I had an idea for a new role, and I’m not sure if it’s been suggested.

Once a game the [new goose role] can resuscitate a body they find. Essentially bringing the player back to life.
Bad for ducks if a player can immediately identify the duck, but potentially also bad for geese if the body is is a duck or neutral.
Pros for geese: bringing back a misread sheriff kill, identifying a killer duck
Pros for ducks: bringing back a duck killed by a falcon/vig/sherif
Pros for neutrals: getting brought back

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I don’t know if they can bring back splatters or feet… leaning no?

storm crescent
twilit gale
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Oops. Idk if I did that right

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Sorry 🥺

storm crescent
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No need to be Sorry. We're all calm and reasonable people😁

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%role Sun Duck I ability: Plants a person with a Sun magnet and the planted person has 1 minute to dive into the pool of water or get Roasted with the falling sun.

green nacelleBOT
twilit gale
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%role
Doctor:
Once a game the doctor can resuscitate a body they find. Essentially bringing the player back to life.
Bad for ducks if a player can immediately identify the duck, but potentially also bad for geese if the body is is a duck or neutral.
Pros for geese: bringing back a misread sheriff kill, identifying a killer duck
Pros for ducks: bringing back a duck killed by a falcon/vig/sherif
Pros for neutrals: getting brought back

Feet and splatters cannot be resuscitated.

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twilit gale
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Thanks @storm crescent 😊

molten maple
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They said they will never add resurrection roles

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calm hare
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More specifically, "I would delete GGD before I put in a resurrect/kill stop role" ~Shawn

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And ya, Taskmaster (not a bird name btw) is just falcon with a lot of extra steps

twilit gale
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Makes sense 😊

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%role Referee Goose
Can break tie votes in meetings.

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calm hare
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That is basically politician but breaks all tie votes. For the record, if you've seen a role in another social deduction game or mods for another game, it has probably already been suggested and/or considered. Gaggle actually hired members of the AU modding community to work for them

twilit gale
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I’ve never played Among Us. Sorry :/

calm hare
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No worries, that's just a blanket disclaimer I put out there. We get a lot of suggestions that are just "take this role from (insert game here) and put it in GGD"

twilit gale
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The politician just wins ties for themselves. I can see how it would become obsolete if the referee can break all ties.

calm hare
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Yep, and part of the role document is trying not to make other roles obsolete

drowsy sleet
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%role
🦅Eagle
Color: Purple

  • Be the last survivor. Become all powerful. Be careful, ducks can see when you become your final form.
    Star Rating/⭐️⭐️⭐️
  • (Replaces the falcon and the pelican on other maps)
  • This bird has a power up button that when pressed than has a kill button that is a quarter lower than the set kill cooldown.
  • When this power is activated the ducks get a purple arrow pointed towards the player.
  • Ducks don’t win by kills if the eagle is alive regardless, but geese can win by eliminating all ducks if the eagle hasn’t activated the power up yet.
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calm hare
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so, exactly like the falcon with an extra step then

quiet crest
quiet crest
calm hare
quiet crest
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tahts what i siad_ nwm then sorry

steep moth
calm hare
quiet crest
edgy gale
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The detector goose/duck

They put a invisible region down (only visible to the person who put it down) and if someone goes over it, it tells the person someone went over it, but it doesn’t say who went over it

Only 1 can be on the map at a time, with a cool down over 40 seconds to place it

Stays on the map after a meeting

If another is tried to be placed down, it replaces the one put down before it

drowsy sleet
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Idk if roles that have 50/50 shot to be on one of the primary teams (geese or ducks) are accepted, I like the idea, but idk if the devs would accept these types of roles, I always had an idea or two revolving around the role having a chance being on either team.

edgy gale
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I was more thinking, either the ducks have this added to the list of possible roles, or the geese get it.

As in pick what would be the best one (personally geese could benefit more from having this role)

storm crescent
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%role Sleeper Duck I Ability: Normal duck abilities. Catch? The Ducks doesn't know who the Sleeper Duck is. And will only reveal its Red Name when there's only one duck left.

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storm crescent
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Is it possible to have a role that can double role? Like You're a Medium, but a same time a duck.

drowsy sleet
edgy gale
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That could make the game more interesting, but maybe have it as a new game mode called, Classic++?

storm crescent
edgy gale
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All that’s different is ducks can get geese abilities, so it’s not to much effort, but gives out more content

drowsy sleet
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If it were to have that mechanic the roles ability would have to be somewhat powerful to be balanced, I don’t think I would want to be a duck that sees the number of ghosts.

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It depends

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On what the devs think

storm crescent
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Yeah... there are some bad combinations if Double role happened.

edgy gale
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Suggest it in game mode ideas?

drowsy sleet
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You do you buddy

calm hare
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THe problem I see with the "give ducks geese abilities" is that removes any chance the geese have of finding a duck by role reveal

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That and I'd much rather have any of the duck abilities when playing as a duck rather than the geese abilities

tranquil minnow
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%role Haunting Goose

Passive ability: When killed, their killer will selfvote during the next meeting.

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viral dove
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I guess there would be some indication that said duck has to vote for themself, then? Because otherwise, they'll wonder why they can't vote for anyone. (see: most new falcon players)

unborn hemlock
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%role Task Master
Goose
Ability: Once a round they can choose someone to see if they have done tasks.
Reason: makes the ducks to do their fake tasks in worry than someone could call them out

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calm hare
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is that have they done tasks that round? all game?

viral dove
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If fake tasks aren't turned on, are they shown not to have tasks? Would sabotage tasks count as tasks?

empty brook
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%role
A Holy Goose.
Once a game the holy Goose can raise the dead however whoever he resurrects retains it's same role and everything but is silenced for the rest of the game (no text or voice chat) so they then gotta somehow use body motion or something to tell the other geese. Or if it's a duck or killing role get revenge on thier murderer. :D

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lavish craterBOT
unborn hemlock
calm hare
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So if someone gets all their tasks done in the first or second round, instantly they look suspicious

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and towards the end of the game if it's a long round they would be useless

unborn hemlock
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Who does though?! It usually take a few at least for me plus there are excuses of why you aren't doing tasks, following people, searching, playing around, bodies keep getting called

calm hare
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I do all my tasks as practice for when I'm dueling dodo

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and i'm not the only one

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this is how i see your role idea going, Taskmaster points out someone who "didn't do tasks", gets them voted out, shot, whatever. Person who got voted out then spends the rest of the night constantly throwing taskmaster under the bus

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All in all, whether someone did or didn't do tasks isn't really that useful of information

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And it would be very unfair for the ducks in a lobby when fake tasks are off

unborn hemlock
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I see it differently but I understand your points too

calm hare
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Also, just like real life, no one likes to be micromanaged

stuck torrent
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I always finish my tasks by the first or second meeting.

calm hare
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Only time I don't have them done by then is when people keep finding bodies or calling button XD

unborn hemlock
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That is what happens to me

calm hare
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Honestly, I'd probably vote the taskmaster out just because they were telling me to do tasks and "they checked"

past oyster
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Hologram Goose: You can create a hologram.(A hologram can only be created once until the game is over. Same as cannibal ability.) The hologram will not move from the created position until the end of the game, and if someone kills the hologram, you will know the color of the person who killed it.

viral dove
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Does it disappear between meetings?

sonic prism
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%role Mutator(duck): Exactly like the morphling but you transform other players without them knowing. If you do not take a sample you transform them into you.

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viral dove
sonic prism
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You could do it on somebody alone, and when they change back it could cause confusion, you can frame others by transforming them to someone everyone agrees is suspicious, you can help another duck with a disguise

fervent pasture
wintry beacon
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ops my bad

covert ledge
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Grave digger goose
When they die they can reveal someone's role except of their killer

calm hare
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Reveal as in tell the rest of the lobby someone else's role?

covert ledge
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Ye

calm hare
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That kind of goes against the idea that GGD is a game about deduction. If you just tell someone a role outright they don't have to think about it

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now take a full lobby with say, 3 ducks and 3 neutrals, that gives the role a 1/3 chance of outing one of the roles that really don't want to be revealed.

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also, if this tells everyone else what the role was, this would give the assassin a free target to shoot

wispy oriole
calm hare
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In which case, the devs really tend to avoid copy/pasting roles from other social deduction games and/or mods from those games. Also if you're making a suggestion based off one of those games or mods, they are most likely already aware of it and have either thrown it out or considered how it would work in GGD.

velvet barn
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%role XRay(Goose) - not really sure what to call it. But a role where they can see who is in a vent/fog or simply IF there is someone there. Could also be a duck role I supposed, to see if someone is spying on them (pigeon or mech) before that kill.

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velvet barn
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A counter play to that would be the opposite role can see if the new role is using their ability. Maybe a radar pops up over their head or something.

viral drum
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%role Ouija Goose: This Goose can reach out to the dead players to get some answers. For every 4 players in the match they can ask 1 question to each of the ghost (up to 3 questions. 1 question per ghost, ) They can only ask questions for the first 3 rounds someone dies. unless they are dead. The Oujia ask the ghosts yes or no questions and can only ask a set of questions to not be OP. For example no question will implicate alive ducks or clear anyone from suspicion. You can only ask one question per round.

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viral drum
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A counter-play includes potential ducks or neutrals lying. Saying something above the line of "this dead duck said yes when I asked him this question could draw assassins or ducks to target. They also will be useless in the late game with them asking questions.

calm hare
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Communication between the living and the dead isn't something they are going to bring back last I heard. That's why the medium was reworked

viral drum
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Hmm I see. I didn't know that. I thought they couldn't find a way to make talking to ghosts not OP.

calm hare
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Like i said, that's the last word I heard on it. They could always change their minds and just because something doesn't fit in C+ doesn't mean it can't fit in another game mode or something

drowsy sleet
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They could add it back as long as it’s weak and/or balanced enough, for example, I recently had an idea for a goose role :Mystic Goose: When you report a body, the next round you see that dead player’s ghost and an arrow pointed towards that ghost for the next round only, and this would occur for every body the mystic reports. This role would be powerful at the start, but weak by the end since you have less ghosts to communicate with and less rounds to communicate with the ghosts, and it’s already hard enough for the mortician to find bodies with out any “help”. But this unfortunately could be a nothing role if players are spectating or leaving the game. Maybe if the targeted ghost is spectating, than the mystic sees an aura around that player, might be a little difficult to implement overall. Like I said the devs could add it back in a less powerful way, but I think the Astral Goose could take the title of this type of role.

earnest wyvern
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%role Daring(goose): you can go in the mist. However you just go in there in 10 second and will die if you don't get out the mist when ability down. So you can't see anything in there. But you can't killed when you in there

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calm hare
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This would basically be a jungle temple snoop/mechanic. Even if you can't see in the fog you could still hear who was in there. They could also keep themselves alive by just dipping back and forth in the fog every few seconds

languid girder
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Corrupted Politician: Shuttles the votes once per enter game & can only kill once.

Some sort achievement if you get a bodyguard with you for doing something. Maybe like you’ve both survived the game or the bodyguard never once voted for The Corrupt Politician. Idk know honestly. 🤷

calm hare
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I'm guessing you mean shuffles the vote, as in just random votes everywhere? Is this a duck, goose, or neutral role?

merry ruin
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If the hawk kills a duck, they die the same as the other roles would affect them,I also do see what you mean this role came from the top of my head so I didn’t exactly take too much time to think of different solutions,but if this does end up getting in and changed I wouldn’t mind,just thought adding my own role into game would be cool.

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viral dove
merry ruin
# viral dove Missing point: what happens if the hawk kills a duck? Also, if you're creating a...

I see what you mean, but if a duck gets hit by the hawk the hawk dies the same way as the other roles,I also didn’t think too much about the role,so I get a lot of what I said put this role in different areas, it even confused me after reading through it again just to make sure I made no huge grammar mistakes that make it impossible to read,if this role does get added any changes that happen I wouldn’t mind.

lavish craterBOT
covert ledge
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Night guards
There is 2, when 1 dies the other gains the ability to kill once, the night guards dont know each other

Team geese

merry ruin
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%Role Dream Duck
Role morals:(Normal duck win conditions)
Role Ability:(Run faster for a few seconds)
(this role makes it easier to catch people running away after they saw you kill someone most likely evil roles)

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merry ruin
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%Role Yin/Yang (2 players) Neutral
Role morals:Be the last two standing to win (or one)
Yin and Yang abilities:A kill button and a identity swapping ability
Special ability:When yin and Yang switch appearances they can help the other get a alibi while the other goes out and kills when swapped however they need to be careful if they kill in front of someone they could get there teammate outed
(After a meeting they both swap back into there normal appearances appearance swapping ability lasts a few seconds)

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severe jasper
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Role idea! foreigner. survive "events" to win. One Goose completing all tasks, sabotage fixes, meetings, and reports, all count as events. the number of events is the number of people divided by 3, times 2. you can win as your team or as the role.
Meta: it forces players to win a game as fast as possible and ducks are under a strict timer and need to think carefully about their moves. The duck also really wants to go over to sabotages, so ducks will go there more often. Geese either need to finish as fast as possible or take things very slow. If they feel threatened, they will rat the foreigner out. Duck foreigners will have the same problems, but with the added risk of discovery. In other words, run or hide.
Balance; lessens the chance longer games will happen, as it needs to make eleven events in a game of 16. Because this is not really neutral, it works in the way lovers do, where their win condition acts as an alternative should one win type not work out. If you are suspected of fixing sabos and calling lots of meetings and frequently reporting, you will be suspected as a foreigner. But your team also has to make a decision whether to keep you or not. It’s a battle of morals.
Counterplay; no direct counterplay, but rather has a counterplay by everyone. geese need to be on their best to find all the ducks, and geese need to kill everyone fast. Actually come to think of it, the spy and assassin are really crucial in finding this guy.
Complications: it’s easy to understand, but really hard to put into practice. 3 star.
Gameplay changes: it does not interfere with core gameplay, but forces everyone to make careful decisions. You are forced into specific gameplay styles. You also force your team into gameplay styles.

viral dove
merry ruin
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The other yin or yang still wins with them though

modern dirge
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ma

merry ruin
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Just alone for the rest of the game

modern dirge
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do you want to play ?

lavish craterBOT
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Looking for a group to play with?

Select your language in #lfg-language , and then post a code or join a game.

merry ruin
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%Role Mind control duck
Role morals:(Normal duck win conditions)
Role ability:(2 times per game during meetings, control one persons voting, the target will know they were controlled, and can talk about it the next meeting)
Meta:(It will make it a bit tougher to vote somebody out close to the end game and sorta help ducks that are new to the game especially if they have a good mind control teammate)

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merry ruin
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%Role Shadow Swan
Role morals:(Neutral win)
Role ability:CURSE (If ability is used on a player the player can be controlled by the swan twice per game for 20 seconds)
Winning conditions:(If the swan kills 4 people with the cursed victim they win the kill cooldown is 7 seconds)

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drowsy sleet
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Unfortunately, I don’t think the team would except a role that controls someone’s movement.

merry ruin
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Mind control duck could probably maybe work?

drowsy sleet
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Maybe, maybe not, I’m not the one to judge what the devs think.

steep moth
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alternating voting is very powerful

merry ruin
severe jasper
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hypnotist
makes a goose kill another goose on sight. instead of venting, you can trigger your Hypno ability. when a goose is in the killing range of another player, they kill automatically. effects of the targeted goose's role do not apply. .
Meta: means that people have to be very cautious and avoid players at all times. It has players avoid grouping up, but it also incentivizes people to stalk from a distance to confirm that it is a Hypno kill. But then the hypnotized goose might see the person and call a meeting.
Balance; it is able to do great things, but the chance of those things is low. With a silencer in hand, this can be very deadly.
Counterplay; Canadian. If a kill is isolated and the player says something like “what the heck was that?” it’s pretty easy to actually find hypno kills if you know what you are doing.
Complications: like, one star. You just click a person and they do their job.
Gameplay changes: minimal. It just means people need to be aware of how a kill is dealt and the response towards it.

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what's the feedback bot command

merry ruin
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but no space

severe jasper
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there's too many commands under that name

steep moth
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... read pinned messages staring

severe jasper
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great

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%role cameraman
can place cameras in specific rooms. you cannot vent. the camera takes 30 seconds to place. it can be done remotely, but you must return to finish it. it takes 10 seconds if you do it actively. it disables a random camera. you can have 2 custom cams at a time, if a third one is placed, the first one breaks and goes back the cam it replaced.
Meta: makes players actually use the cameras sometimes. It is used a distractor while other things can happen. It may also give things like sheriff kills more evidence for more people.
Balance; pretty balanced because not everyone uses the cameras, and it is unlikely anything meaningful will happen on deployed cameras.
Counterplay; cameras are auto destroyed and if someone sees a duck walking away from the camera, they can report it.
Complications: 2 star. The thing isn’t that hard if you just cause a sabo and plant a new cam.
Gameplay changes: minimal. It doesn’t alter anything that much, just incentivizes people to use the camera.

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steep granite
calm hare
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Too many to address all of them individually soo...

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steep granite
calm hare
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Wow, i'm moving up in the world if people are quoting me now XD

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But, roles that control other players is covered in that document so that handles mind control duck, swan, and hypnotist
For neutral roles you would need a bird name for it, not yin/yang as that isn't a bird species. The swapping mechanic is interesting though.
Speed altering abilities are covered in the role document for dream duck, also that's just the upcoming invis duck without the invisibliity or downsides.
Night Guards: that's just a combination of avenger and bodyguard with more steps.

languid girder
calm hare
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In that case they would need their own unique name and win condition

drowsy sleet
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Role Concepts/Inspirations:

  1. A neutral that guesses a certain # of roles all at once and/or separately, and if all are correct the role ends the game and wins. If incorrect than the role dies losing.

  2. A neutral that wins if it survives with the falcon/pelican in the final two. Both the falcon/pelican and this role spawn together like the bodyguard and hitman and the falcon/pelican gets an arrow pointed towards that role in the final three. The role loses if the falcon/pelican don’t survive to the final three. (Idk how the pelican wins if he/she automatically eats the other two or just needs to survive and/or can eat them both optionally, that’s why I think the pelican can only win with the role inside the pelicans mouth by the end, if the role were to exist anyways)

  3. If the kamikaze duck is still considered, make it to where the kamikaze body only remains while the victims bodies fade to make them uneatable for the vulture.

  4. A goose with an ability that is activated after reporting a body.

sudden rampart
green nacelleBOT
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Thanks @sonic prism for your feedback, we'll be sure to look at it happy

boreal laurel
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%role Demon Duck:
Its basically just the opposite of the party duck, lowers a player's voice to make the affected player sound like a demon. If the party and Demon ducks are on and effect the same player, the effects even out and cause said player to speak normally.

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calm hare
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I'm still a fan of calling a duck who lowers people's voices the sulfur hexafluoride duck as was suggested before

boreal laurel
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Yeah, I thought that was a nice name too, but it's also a mouthful and some people may find it hard to remember

sonic prism
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I think that's what makes it funny

calm hare
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could just call it the SF6 Duck

boreal laurel
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That's true, a lot easier to remember

final scarab
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Duckling... A role wherein you will become a normal duck after 3 rounds (if you survive) neutral role as a baby, then duck role as an adult...

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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Specifically " If a role would fundamentally alter how the game is played at its core, it probably should be in a different game mode if it's interesting and fun enough of an idea. Lots of people often suggest roles that have the ability to resurrect the dead, or roles where players change teams. These ARE interesting ideas, they just break different facets of a game of social deduction. Resurrected players will have knowledge of who killed them, and if role reveal is on, will be able to see what everyone is. Instead of trying to force the square peg into a round hole by trying to make it so that these dead players can’t speak/see names/etc etc, just accept that role reveal is going to be a staple of most games, and that this would have to live in another game mode."

languid girder
calm hare
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Well, i would start by asking what benefit do they gain from mixing up the votes? What are the downsides to being that role? What is their win condition?

next eagle
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Still sorta thinking this one over.. but what about

Swan:
Slightly lesser speed.
Neutral role

A random goose/duck drops bread that is only visible to the Swan.

The swan has to collect all of this bread before it is able to kill the goose/duck dropping the bread.

There is only a set amount of bread that gets dropped and once all of this bread is collected, the swan gets a speed boost which is slightly faster than the goose/duck pace until it kills the target.

If anyone wants to contribute to this idea feel free.

calm hare
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well I'll say first things that speed change is going to make the role instantly identifiable. what exactly is the win condition for this? how do you counter this role? if the only goal for the swan is to kill people after eating bread it is really falcon with extra steps

fervent pasture
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As Kit said, changing speed makes the role instantly identifiable, even if part of Geese team it would be easy target (Asasssin and stuff), also bread spawns like food / keys ? Or how exactly does it work? What is the "target thing"? Does Swan have some kind of target? If yes, is he part of his win condition?

next eagle
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I mean if it's slight enough that you need a keen eye but slow enough that in a chase the person could get away, it wouldn't be that identifiable, personally I never notice speeds due to everyone walking at different paces when I've played.

Maybe the target is like a hunter or something and they can only kill this swan once it is close enough to killing them

calm hare
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From the role document: Fundamentally, Classic+ is a game of social deduction where an informed minority of ducks are working against an uninformed majority of geese (and throw in a few neutrals). Lots of suggested roles break this basic core concept. For example, if your suggested role is just that your geese can have a burst of speed.. Well that seems simple enough, and maybe not overpowered. Except it violates the social deduction factor, and everyone will immediately know that this player is a ‘Fast Goose’. A goose that knows all the duck roles, but can’t speak, also violates the social deduction aspect of the game. An ability to switch teams or to change the team another player is on violates the minority/majority aspect of the game by affecting the numbers.

lavish craterBOT
calm hare
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If you haven't read it yet, i do suggest you give it a look, herbert put a lot of time into it

fervent pasture
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This is for TrT and not for Classic + so I hope it's okay to post it here

Priest
Team : Villagers

Instead of basic space button he has Stake, he cannot kill Thralls, and Vampire cannot bite him, but he can kill Vampire in oneshot instead of voting them out. He can use this ability only once and if he missfires he faces up the conquences.

Yes, the Vampire not being able to bite him makes him confirmable, BUT the Villagers will see a little cruficix next to his head. That will make them want to protect him, he is an important role after all. Vampire and Thralls will want him dead.

If Priest missfires or if he is killed by Thralls he will turn into Fallen Angel

Fallen Angel
Team: He is with Vampire and Thralls.
Fallen Angel has vision in circle unlike the Thralls, he is as slow as them, but he has the Ability of Ninja from Classic+ (I wanted to suggest something diff from C+ but I have no idea what it could be-) - He uses his scythe (Scythe is not normally visible, is only on icon of his kill and on it can also be on Icon of this role - up to you) to slice 2 geeses, he has double the cooldown and Geese he kills DON'T turn into Thralls. They stay longtime dead. (Explanation for that - After all, they are killed by the Scythe, they are not bitten by Vampire or Thrall so they cannot transform. Also if he could just make 2 Thralls out of nowhere it could endanger Geese alot, I think double killing already makes him OP, even if he cannot make Thralls, the Vampire can first get like 5 - 7 Thralls before taking out Priest, that would make him almost unbeatable)

Why I decided to suggest this? I think the Vampire needs some short of help, but it cannot be for free, he would be targeting Priest alot and it will get him a strong soldier. Priest is also very useful for Villagers, after all if they didnt had chance to do tasks to call meeting again Priest can potentionaly safe their game.

Does this affect the meta? - I think yeah, the Villagers will try to play it more safe and stay arround their Priest, but if they group too much then Vampire can strike

sonic prism
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I don't think the villagers should be able to directly kill the vampire although the punishment is so severe it might be okay

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I would personally think a villager that could temporarily disguise itself into a thrall to the vampire or the thralls could be an interesting addition

fervent pasture
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Or Monster that can dress into villager..

sonic prism
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Isn't that what the vampire does already?

languid girder
# calm hare Well, i would start by asking what benefit do they gain from mixing up the votes...

Ok fair enough, how about instead of mixing the votes randomly they instead get to pick two people of their choosing (including themselves) and get to switch those two people around however you can only do this once! As for the limitations you can’t switch anyone’s votes if theirs a minimum of three people left. Also The Corrupt Politician can only kill once but has the power of the Professional to hide the body so no one can catch them so easily. Kinda like how the FBI / CIA cover everything up when things go south plus they have to take their boss’ orders.

calm hare
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I'd say "No role has multiple powers
Venting and killing can be considered the most any role has, and that’s baked into what a vanilla duck can do. However, there won’t be any roles with several powers in Classic +. Maybe in a different game mode. Part of this is a concern of the balance of enjoyment in the game, and making a role too cool, and by comparison everything else less enjoyable. Another consideration would be that we intend for the game to be on mobile as well as pc/mac. So if your role requires several buttons, that might barely work on PC, but adding a few buttons in addition to the use/report/ability/vent buttons makes the UI very difficult to navigate on mobile. "

languid girder
calm hare
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Just mostly that it needs to be a bit more definite and simplified I think. It isn't a bad idea

wooden agate
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Nocturnal goose
Had greater vision on hazardous condition, had very bad vision on normal condition

Had "duck" vision when the lights were off/sabotaged
Had "goose" vision in smoky area (can clearly see what happen beneath the smoke)
Had "goose light off" vision when outside of those condition
Win by the goose

Fun lore? Well, he love to wake up at night, make him better without the need of light

Farseer goose
Can had a greater vision momentarily but cant see throught wall

The same as "bird watcher" in term of mechanic and skill activation, but instead of binocular vision, he had longer range of circular vision like the "duck" vision when activating the skill, and he can also retain "goose" vision when the light is off if he activated his ability, for balance purpose, you can double the cooldown or make the alert goose had bad vision (light off) as his default vision just like bird watcher, win by the goose

Fun lore? being working too hard as "security" member, make him very sleepy at day to day basis, but he is very ready/vigilant when needed

Noisy goose
Can call meeting anywhere, only once a game

Basically to call out some sus activity without the need of a "dead body", win by the goose

Fun lore? Being the most vocal goose ever, can easily gather people whenever needed (in danger situation, teamwork, social gathering, promoting some product like a seller), also idk a better name for this role, here some other suggestion, talkative, vocal, announcer, ?

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void halo
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Check this guide to the principles behind GGD role design. Helps to keep things balanced ^^
Nocturnal Goose - Weakening the lights sabotage is not something the devs are keen on, Ducks already are outnumbered
Farseer Goose - Expanded vision could work as an alternative to Birdwatcher perhaps, but not seeing during lights sabotage
Noisy Goose - Being able to call a meeting from anywhere on the map would be instantly confirmable, messing with the "deduction" aspect of a social deduction game

wooden agate
wooden agate
void halo
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Nah, you don't always have to do a whole format. Just the idea is fine

steep moth
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(the less we have to read the better wink)

wooden agate
void halo
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That same principle is also why Locksmith will probably never be able to open doors that were closed during a Door sabotage. Makes it weaker for the Ducks

wooden agate
wooden agate
# wooden agate Sadly, this 2 role is kinda alot of text than the previous xD

Night owl (neutral)
Can only "perform kill" when in a hazardous condition, can only "be killed" in a voting/meeting

Basically the idea were based on "werewolf" in town of salem, but i try to implement it inside ggd universe where all the role is a "birb/avian", idk about any badass and iconic nocturnal bird beside owl (so yeah, feel free to change it, if you find some other better bird name), win by killing everyone

Can only perform kill when light outs or in smoky area or in a secret wall that can only be accessed by duck or killing someone inside vent (when both of them at the same vent, idk if this vent kill were already a feature in the game, if yes, then its great)

Had "goose" vision outside hazardous condition
Had "duck" vision inside hazardous condition
Can see beneath/throught smoky area with a "duck" vision

Cant be killed by duck, falcon, environmental, etc (only die when voted out)

Fun lore? Idk how you guys write lore about other bird like falcon and vulture, well this bird lore will be very similar to that neutral role i guess, basically he is a monster at night (or you can call it a nightmare), it will be more funny, if all the goose kid and baby in the ggd universe always knew about the terror of night owl (becuz their parent always tell a nightmarish story about the night owl when their baby goose want to sleep)

wooden agate
# wooden agate Sadly, this 2 role is kinda alot of text than the previous xD

Psycho duck
Kill everyone, including your teamate

Basically the idea were based on "alpha/albino werewolf" in wolfy (or some werewolf app game that i kinda forgot the name), win by killing everyone, yes even thought he is "acknowledged" as a duck by his comrade

The duck doesnt win the game if the psycho duck still alive, best played in a game where there are "4 or more" duck in the game, becuz the duck winning chance is lowered by a mile when this role is added (idk, maybe iam overthinking, but 3 duck is bare minimum, as this role needed to cooperate with other duck at first, and then betray them in the late game, moreover this role could easily be killed by neutral and many other role, which make this role very very hard to win, but very satisfying and fulfiling when it happen)

Able to do "team-fire" kill against other duck

Fun lore? At first he had a task to kill the goose and other avian that oppose the duck supremacy, but the enjoy of killing had make him blind to his goal of serving the ducktator (iam sorry, my ggd lore is suck, idk who the dictator duck nickname is), he will thrill for a kill

void halo
merry ruin
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Yin/Yang (2 players) Neutral
Role morals:Be the last two standing to win (or one)
Yin and Yang abilities:A kill button and a identity swapping ability
Special ability:When yin and Yang switch appearances they can help the other get a alibi while the other goes out and kills when swapped however they need to be careful if they kill in front of someone they could get there teammate outed
(After a meeting they both swap back into there normal appearances appearance swapping ability lasts a few seconds)
(just repost just to see peoples ideas on this role ive already sent it in for review)

void halo
wooden agate
merry ruin
wooden agate
wooden agate
void halo
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You can already effectively have this by turning on Blind Ducks or having a Mimic Goose in play. Ducks won't know for sure who is a real Duck and friendly fire is active

wooden agate
void halo
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If Psycho Duck prevents a normal Duck win, then it has to be on a solo Neutral team and can't really be called a Duck. I don't feel like this is different enough from Falcon to be it's own role

languid girder
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Update:

Hummingbird: Tasks are twice as short / normal making you sus for finishing a task too quickly however your handicap is that you can’t vote. If they finish all their tasks before the end of the game they win! 🙂

Caption: “WHO HAS TIME FOR VOTES?! GOTTA KEEP MOVING!” O.O;;;

void halo
languid girder
drowsy sleet
fervent pasture
wooden agate
# void halo If Psycho Duck prevents a normal Duck win, then it has to be on a solo Neutral t...

So, if i rename it as "swan" and kept the rest as same, will it be okay for the role?

Which mean he will be a neutral role, but for the duck faction, they see him as part of their teamate, and this role can see who are the duck too (and of course the mimic if its exist on that match), but the swan is actually a "triple agent" (well, becuz the "duck" is a double agent to the goose, so the "swan" is a triple agent for the duck and the goose)

Will it be "different enough" to be a role? Idk where the line betwen "modified and different enough" as a role, as some of the ggd role, in my eyes, were also kinda modified but they certainly offer different fun, mechanic, and gameplay

Like canibalism duck and vulture, vigilante and sheriff, silencer and party, etc

wooden agate
viral dove
drowsy sleet
# fervent pasture Second chance? What exactly u mean? If he dies he is born as strong Ally for Vam...

Yeah I know, it’s just sheriff in tot, which is absolutely fine, and giving the player a team swap in a different mode is fine as well, I just think that giving a role a new role after death/misfire seems to destroy the point of risk of the misfire and helping your team, in the end of the day, you can just misfire on propose to be on the duck team, these two roles can honestly work on their own, and that’s just my opinion obviously.

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Another good rule of thumb is this. If the role is in another social deduction game, the devs have most likely already heard of it, it has probably been suggested multiple times by this point, and they have probably already considered in depth how that kind of a role would work in the game.

fervent pasture
# drowsy sleet Yeah I know, it’s just sheriff in tot, which is absolutely fine, and giving the ...

Idk why would person sabotage their own team like this, we can also set up a longer respawn for Fallen Angel in order to prevent some kind of teaming / griefing. I think giving Priest power to kill once with consequences makes him think about his kill and he could also try to survive into the late game to carry out his final blow. It's like Vigilante, but he has consequences, I made him team swap because Vampire doesn't have any allies expect Thralls and I think it would make him want to risk more to gain such an powerful troop on his side. If I made Priest Neutral that would turn into stronger form then I would make him already too OP, that's why I made him to join Vampire after he dies. It's true I could make them no-related but I cannot think about a way to make a Fallen Angel work. Maybe it could be like this - "Vampire can sacrifice his 5 Thralls in order to make 1 Fallen Angel." This makes Vampire reduce the ammount of his soldiers and puts him into hard decision. On other hand he will gain a strong soldier in return and if Priest was there the Vampire would endanger himself since he cannot bite Priest and Fallen Angel cooldown is too big for risking that

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Again it’s fine and this is a cool concept, but I think having a role to choose to swap teams might not be okay for the geese, and I don’t think I would want to have to make thralls turn to ghosts just to have this powerful being, again I think these could work if they were their own roles and worked in the form of their own role, if that makes sense. Maybe the fallen angel could be less op and is the first thrall to spawn…it depends on what the devs think.

fervent pasture
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If we would make them their own roles then Fallen Angel could be changed for certain ammount of Thralls

drowsy sleet
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I don’t know what you mean for a certain number of thralls. Do these thralls control the same role, or do these thralls turn into ghost.

fervent pasture
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That would push Vampire to decision and he would have to think about every single thing before he makes Fallen, Fallen not making Thralls is on purpose and in lore manner, also it makes Vampire risk more since he will most likely encounter Priest that would be protected by Villagers, grouping up too much endangers Villagers in return. I think it adds more social deduction into game and also thinking ahead before u do anything ridiculous

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drowsy sleet
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This is just me, but I would rather be a thrall that can still kill after “death” then be a ghost watching all the fun happen, again it’s a cool concept for a role.

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And I don’t think the devs would accept the concept of players dying out of there own control regardless of game-mode.

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But again that’s just me

fervent pasture
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Well if the Thralls were still alive then the Vampire would have nothing to risk by creating Fallen

fervent pasture
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They can still capture someone in this time And they cannot think it was a bug

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They serve Vampire so its his decision

drowsy sleet
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That’s why it has its own color in its name, right?

fervent pasture
# drowsy sleet The thralls still can’t control how they die, and design-wise, that’s not fun fo...

Then lets say they die only for certain period of time. That would make Villagers hurry their task and play more arround tasks then arround the Priest, but they would also fear Fallen, also the Vampire would sacrifice some of his soldier for certain period of time, putting himself on disadvantage. He can take opportunity of chaos to make more Thralls in meantime and Villagers can take oppurtunity of reduced numbers to carry out tasks or Priest can try to strike

drowsy sleet
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Again it’s a great concept, I just think if this was put into the mode, I think both would work best on their own, it all depends on what the devs think.

fervent pasture
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Well all we can do is wait for their reaction I guess

drowsy sleet
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Glad this argument is over 😂

fervent pasture
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I wasn't arguing, we were talking about holes in roles I suggested, we were just discussing haha

drowsy sleet
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I guess, yeah

fervent pasture
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angel I never fight

drowsy sleet
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…….really

fervent pasture
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U bet

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pet here, have some pats

calm hare
drowsy sleet
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Thanks bro

calm hare
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this no longer looks like a role discussion

drowsy sleet
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Tru

fervent pasture
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Was just sharing some peace within the air

calm hare
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Share your peace in general then! Do not anger the sheriff!

drowsy sleet
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This stops here lol, we need room for other people to discuss ideas

fervent pasture
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Yes sir! I deeply apologize Sheriffrunning

calm hare
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Note: I'm not really mad, but please take other conversation to the proper channels

drowsy sleet
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It’s all goodthumbsup

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wooden agate
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Is "kill prevention" not allowed as role trait suggestion? Cuz sometimes, some role feels weaker when they can be killed easily outside meeting/voting, especially if they were only "single/alone" as neutral role (like falcon)

It will add new strategy/meta as the entire lobby (goose and duck) must vote this role out instead of killing it outside the meeting, its also give the neutral killer more chance to win the game, as its kinda hard to win with this neutral killing role already

calm hare
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The kill button always works

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"I would delete GGD before I put in a resurrect/kill stop role" ~Shawn

wooden agate
calm hare
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coming back to life in any way is a no go

steep moth
calm hare
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Listen to the thunder god

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Also, if you are talking about a role like phantom/haunter from modded among us, gaggle actually hired some of the developers that were modding among us to work for them. So it isn't a new idea.

wooden agate
steep moth
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Tell your friends thor_noyou

wooden agate
# wooden agate So, if i rename it as "swan" and kept the rest as same, will it be okay for the ...

The more i think about this, maybe the name "mimic falcon" is more suiting, just like the naming of duelling dodo role, which came from the og dodo role (i just realized you call the "spy" role as mimic for the goose, and spy is actually a whole nother role for a duck in this game xD)

It could be interesting if the falcon can had some team, or have some kind of "variation" like that to confuse the duck, as the "falcon mimic" can see who the duck are and the duck also see this role as one of their own

And funnily enough, the falcon mimic can prove that he is one of the duck by performing a kill (while the og mimic cant do so), which can make the game more and more chaotic (in term of social deducting), cuz in the end it will make the mimic falcon must cooperate and team up with the duck and then betray them in the late game

calm hare
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They can have a team, if you're playing dine and dash

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%role Mummy(Goose): Your body carries over between rounds, but you are not identified when reported. When killed, leaves a wrapped up corpse that is permanent until reported, but when called will not say who died, only that the mummy has been found.

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sonic prism
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Gives the geese another shot at calling a meeting if a lot of bodies were cleaned up between a round, but the unknown identity makes it difficult to find a potential killer unless the mummy claimed.

wispy oriole
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So it's immune to being eaten?

sonic prism
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It probably should not be, I referred to it being unable to be cleaned up

languid girder
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Update:

Hummingbird: Tasks are twice as short / normal making you sus for finishing a task too quickly however your handicap is that you can’t vote. If they finish all their tasks before the end of the game they win! 🙂

Caption: “WHO HAS TIME FOR VOTES?! GOTTA KEEP MOVING! GO! GO! GO!” O.O;;;

calm hare
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The problem i see with this, is their ability would only affect a relative few tasks on the map

mint gale
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A role that never goes into meetings and can keep doing tasks?

calm hare
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Also, does this role make the spaceships/mice move faster XD because people are going to HATE that

languid girder
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I did said short / normal but still I understand. Ty for being nice about it. 🙂

wooden agate
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# wooden agate Hey, our discusion about the "dead" before, had spark some idea on me, especiall...

Diehard goose
When killed, he wont die immidiately, if meeting is called while he is in "borrowed time" then he will die after that meeting ended

Basically, this goose had passive ability to "delay" their inevitable dead, like a "borrowed time" kind of thing, even from environmental kill, idk how long he can delay (maybe 5 sec? 10 sec? 15 sec?)

If meeting succesfully called when the goose is in "borrowed time" (via button or dead body report) then the goose can survive the whole process of that meeting, after the meeting end then the goose die immidiately

This goose can still press meeting button and report dead body while in borrowed time (to delay his dead further)

To make it balance, in case some of the duck role cant counter play this role (i think silencer can do well vs this, profesional can also make the kill "immidiate" instead of delayed, etc), you can also make this goose had "light off" vision when he is in borrowed time, which mean this goose must always ready to remember who killed him before enter borrowed time

Thus, the duck must always ready to claim that they are vigilante or such, if the diehard goose survive long enough in borrowed time until the meeting is called, or maybe convinced the diehard goose right away after killing him to gain his trust that he is vigilante, while the vigilante cant escape the consequence of killing goose if he accidentally kill the diehard, even funny if the duck also ready to "counter claim" the vigilante role to make the "real og" vigilante goose to be voted out, thus making the duck had a big advantages in that scenario

Maybe this role will be good addition after we get lot of multikill role in the future (like kamikaze and ninja), cuz this role can make those multikill role "in check" balance wise

This role can kinda incentivized grouping in some way, even tho this role can actually do very very well when he venture alone due to his ability to delay kill

wooden agate
steep moth
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A kill should always kill
You're describing the receiving end of the Vampire role from Trick or Treat

wooden agate
steep moth
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Vampire "bites" and infects players that die after 8-15 seconds

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I think a lot of the points you make actually counter argue what you're trying to explain.

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but if I hit space for my kill button, something should always happen

wooden agate
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Bounty Hunter duck
Has a longer kill cooldown than usual, gets assigned a new random target after each meeting.

Whenever the Bounty Hunter kills their target, their kill cooldown decreases, and when they kill someone who isn't their target, it increases.

If the Bounty Hunter gets voted out, everyone who voted for them gets some amount of coins depending on how many targets the Bounty Hunter has killed.

Voting the Bounty Hunter out gives extra money if one of the targets they killed was a Gravy or Celebrity.

sudden rampart
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minus the coins

fiery hinge
sudden rampart
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i think we also went with serial killer duck

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although name is really tbd

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Eagle neutral

Pretty straightforward idea:

Assigned a random target at the start of the game (only goose or duck)

Wins with whichever team their target is on as long as both the Eagle and the target survive.

Can put a healing effect on target once, when that's done, there's a certain amount of time where the target can't be killed by regular duck kills, Falcon, or Sheriff/Vigi (to balance it out, bombs, lover, environment, and Prof kills still work). They can still be targeted by other abilities such as being silenced or infected.

The invulnerability doesn't go through meetings, so they can still get assassinated during the meeting.

fervent pasture
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"I would delete GGD before I put in a resurrect/kill stop role" ~Shawn

fiery hinge
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It is pretty op, so it makes sense. Figured I'd put out the idea though cuz why not?

calm hare
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Also, Neutrals win on their own, not with another team

fiery hinge
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Fair enough

merry ruin
wooden agate
# calm hare Also, Neutrals win on their own, not with another team

So, for now, is there no neutral role that can win with other faction? Or how about the lover role that can have these kind of rare and unique win condition, when the duck faction win but the lover duck and lover goose is still alive, isnt that mean the lover geese would also be winning, no?

Is suggesting this kind of unique and rare win condition for the neutral role, were considered not okay by the dev?

calm hare
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From the role document, which I am sure you have read or else why are we having this conversation, "Keep in mind that a Neutral player is a team of 1, and thus the very general aim at their win rate will be 1 in 16. "

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There is also a very large difference between lovers, who only win if they and 1 other person are alive, and winning with another team

merry ruin
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There own winning conditions

wooden agate
# calm hare From the role document, which I am sure you have read or else why are we having ...

Yeah i have read about the 1/16 win chance, and the unique variable betwen falcon win chance and dodo win chance even tho they both were "neutral", technically dodo had higher win percent than falcon (even if both if them were kinda 1/16)

But having lot of "winning scenario" usually doesnt equal as they will certainly win easily and break the 1/16 win rate rule

For example if i propose a role based on "survivor" role in town of salem, he can win with goose and duck "only if" he survived until that faction win/last round, this doesnt mean he will be easily win becuz he can win with goose and duck, why? Becuz being alive is pretty much RNG and had lot of variable to it

Its also the same as eagle/bg role that the previous texter said, making sure his target alive isnt something easy, as "if the target die or the eagle die" then he just cant win, which mean even if he can win with duck or goose doesnt mean anything, as he can easily lose if he die or his target die, thus it doesnt break the 1/16 win chance

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The Lovers win is a very unique situation, one that I would chalk up to the possibility of a goose being in love with a duck. Having a win condition for both of them gives the goose a chance to not instantly rat out their lover, while giving the duck a huge vulnerability. However, a lover duck still wins with ducks and a lover goose still win with geese, even if they can win together.

merry ruin
calm hare
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However, in said situation it is "Lovers Win" "Geese Win" "Neutral Win" or "Ducks Win". Not, "Geese Win (and also the neutral/lover/etc). The entire gimmick behind neutral roles is that they are a team of one, uno, un, singular.

merry ruin
calm hare
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might as well just play dine and dash in that case XD

merry ruin
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Lol

merry ruin
# calm hare might as well just play dine and dash in that case XD

That would be tough though if you think about it, because if the vulture eats bodies they win so they have no choice tow win with there lover, unless they just wanna win on their own, and the falcon has to kill everybody to win, which means you have to kill your lover at the very end, which also means you die from a broken heart, so it’s impossible to win, UNLESS you play like geese and do literally nothing.

wooden agate
calm hare
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Even as duck I might let the vulture get away with cleaning up a body or two, but I'm taking them out after that

merry ruin
# calm hare Even as duck I might let the vulture get away with cleaning up a body or two, bu...

When I see a vulture eat a body, the very first body they eat, I just chase them, because 1 they can’t run forever if I’m really close to them, 2 I don’t like leaving other threats in the way when there right in front of me, 3 I’m most likely alone so that would be a perfect time to wipe them out, usually the vultures I play with are snitches and say something like "IM THE VULTURE but THIS GUYS THE DUCK!"

wooden agate
# calm hare However, in said situation it is "Lovers Win" "Geese Win" "Neutral Win" or "Duck...

So if i propose this kind of role, will it be okay/working in this game ruling?

Shoebill (neutral)
Survive until the last round

Basically based on "survivor" role in town of salem

He can "steal" the win of goose and duck, if he make it until the end, his main objective is to survive

If goose and duck win condition "happen", but the shoebill is still alive, then he will steal those faction win, so it force these 2 faction to find these shoebill and kill them first before reaching their win condition

So its technically a team of one winning condition, a neutral win or "shoebill win"

Fun fact, actually the most ancient and oldest bird alive is cassowaries and emus, but shoebill is very iconic and related to pelican (maybe goose duck too?), so i think he fit better than those 2 bird?

merry ruin
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They said they didn’t want to copy paste roles because the same roles from a different game into another game would be just copying

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But looks like it could possibly make it

calm hare
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What's the downside to this role?

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What's the counter?

wooden agate
# merry ruin Yeah about that-, they said they weren’t going to take the ideas from other game...

Well, iam modifying the role, as survivor cant win with other faction like town of salem

And idk about that either, i think the dev is kinda open as long as it fun and acceptable to them, i mean lot of the role in ggd is "modified" to fit ggd universe

Which is why i modified these survivor role to fit in ggd universe and gameplay

And i just like to say where the idea inspired from, so we can discus it easily as people could understand how it work based on the origin, also i dont like to pretend my idea original when its actually not

sage urchin
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Hahahah

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Add a crow and a turkey role

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Imagine a cow

merry ruin
calm hare
sage urchin
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What about a seagull

wooden agate
calm hare
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Every neutral has some form of negative aspect, Falcon can only skip, Vulture can only win by eating bodies and is easily seen doing so, pigeon has their counter reset every meeting, etc

merry ruin
viral dove
# wooden agate So if i propose this kind of role, will it be okay/working in this game ruling? ...

Biggest problem I see with the role, as I see it, is that they have no control over whether they win or lose. All the other neutrals have different behaviours they can do to win. Pigeons hide until they can infect everyone. Vulture goes to hunt down bodies. Dodo makes himself seem suspicious. Falcon can kill if she really needs to. What power, if any, would the shoebill have, and how would it be different from the existing falcon?

wooden agate
calm hare
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Could have sworn i responded to yin and yang XD

merry ruin
calm hare
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Honestly, i respond to so many roles here that sometimes I miss them and sometimes I think i responded and might not have

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ah, it was in a post reviewing a few roles at once: For neutral roles you would need a bird name for it, not yin/yang as that isn't a bird species. The swapping mechanic is interesting though.

merry ruin
wooden agate
merry ruin
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I need something that will fit

calm hare
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The yin/yang thing honestly seems more like it would be a unlockable sabo for the ducks now that I think about it

merry ruin
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Downy Woodpeckers

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Is the idea I found

wooden agate
wooden agate
calm hare
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Thing is, there isn't any way to tell if you have one of these shoebills unless they tell you

merry ruin
calm hare
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Which means short of RDMing people the geese don't really have a way to counter

calm hare
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Believe it or not, they do read all the ideas in here. I'm more of a sounding board to get people to put more thought and creativity into the roles they post

wooden agate
wooden agate
merry ruin
calm hare
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There is a whole lot of why don't you take role from "insert game here" and change the name

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Chris, Shawn, Herbert and others pop in a lot of the time

wooden agate
calm hare
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Part of the reason I've been in this community almost since the beginning, and the reason I accepted being a moderator is because I believe in them and the game as a whole. I have never seen developers so open and communicative before

wooden agate
calm hare
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The falcon can get caught murdering though and has no chance of voting to defend themselves. Winning or losing with this role seems, to me, to be entirely up to luck

merry ruin
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%role (Rename for Yin/Yang) Downy Woodpeckers (2 players) Neutral
Role morals:Be the last two standing to win (or one)
Yin and Yang abilities:A kill button and a identity swapping ability
Special ability:When yin and Yang switch appearances they can help the other get a alibi while the other goes out and kills when swapped however they need to be careful if they kill in front of someone they could get there teammate outed
(After a meeting they both swap back into there normal appearances appearance swapping ability lasts a few seconds)
(just repost just to see peoples ideas on this role ive already sent it in for review)

green nacelleBOT
merry ruin
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Ima do it.

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Probably not the best idea-

calm hare
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I've seen worse

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And it is at least something that I haven't seen over a dozen times before

merry ruin
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Ah

wooden agate
# wooden agate So if i propose this kind of role, will it be okay/working in this game ruling? ...

I really like the idea of the game paced being "slowed down", becuz people scared to achieve their win condition too early lol xD

Which could give some other role/faction a chance to do a "comeback" becuz of these shoebill role (like if the goose had big lead, it can give duck and falcon a chance to bounce back as the goose doesnt want to rush their win, and vice versa, if the duck is on big lead then it will give the goose and falcon a chance to comeback)

calm hare
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I've seen rounds last for over 30m before. Longer rounds might sound like fun, but they are boring as hell for anyone who gets killed first

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Also, this would work to actively discourage people from finishing their tasks

merry ruin
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Lesson of the day
It’s more fun to hunt than to be the hunted especially being "hunted" for more than 30 minutes straight in a video game

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That may I remind you takes place in a enclosed space

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So it’s way more boring running around in a loop

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Than having free roam

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Actually free roam wouldn’t be so bad the only down side to that being in this game though is that people can go so far off into the distance ducks won’t even know if there alive anymore

wooden agate
calm hare
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But, considering they have had to add features to encourage people to do their tasks, I really don't see them putting in a role that actively discourages people from doing them

wooden agate
calm hare
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I usually finish every one of my tasks within the first 2 rounds

wooden agate
# calm hare But, considering they have had to add features to encourage people to do their t...

The more i think about it, its also discourage duck and falcon to kill, if they about to outnumber the goose and secure their win, so it kinda had some positive side for the goose to go for a comeback? XD

Also becuz this role only win by stealing duck and goose win condition, something like pigeon could actually hard counter this role, like crazily hard counter it (to avoid long lasting round/match), becuz delaying the round to be longer could benefit pigeon by a mile

merry ruin
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%Role The OWL
Role morals:(Neutral Win)
Role abilities:(No kill button)
Special ability:(Night eyes)
Special ability power:(3 times per game the owl can look at 3 players abilities here is the catch however the owl is not told what the exact abilities are INSTEAD the owl is told 2 abilities the possible target has for example:"This target can vent or This target can kill" after selecting 3 players the owl can choose what players ability to "copy" going off of the information it has learned although the owl has no exact indications on what the player is it will have a hint towards two roles)

green nacelleBOT
merry ruin
calm hare
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I mean, at least it isn't another "owl can see when lights are out" suggestion. But it does seem a bit overly complex to me. What would be the win condition?

merry ruin
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That’s why you need to be very careful trying to find out who is a killer and who isn’t

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Because you could end up with a venting ability you didn’t want like from the mechanic

calm hare
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I mean, is it like the falcon win where they have to be the last alive? Dodo? etc. Each neutral has it's own win condition

merry ruin
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And not benefit the owl period

viral dove
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Still doesn't answer how the owl wins.

merry ruin
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Ima think of some new ideas that aren’t so complicated

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Gimme a second

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%Role Blue Jay
Role Morals:(Neutral Win)
Role abilities:(Kill button)
Role special ability:(The blue jay will have to eat a body to kill another bird since they are very intelligent they have learned to not let the vulture eat bodys to win so before killing they will eat a body and than gain the kill button and kill another bird however they will not know where bodies are unless the stumble across one also they are known for being very aggressive birds so it fits pretty well)

green nacelleBOT
calm hare
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So a neutral cannibal who can just keep eating

merry ruin
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So unless they get REALLY lucky

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Are a very active person

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And don’t stand around

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They should be able to kill.

calm hare
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The problem with this role, is the moment they kill someone, it's just them kill/eat spamming until the game is over

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well the moment they eat someone

merry ruin
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That’s why I was thinking it would work because it is very difficult to find bodies all the time

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So I thought it would be somewhat balanced

wooden agate
wooden agate
merry ruin
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But there are a lot of roles that can counter it

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Like professional and Canadian yeah

calm hare
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and here's another consideration, why put the vulture in when you could just put in the Jay? It makes vulture obsolete really

merry ruin
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Oh that’s true

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Honestly I think blue jay fits with dine and dash tbh

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It would just need to be on its own separate team

calm hare
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And keep in mind, taht just because a role doesn't work with C+ doesn't mean it can't be used in another game mdoe