Ragdoll NPC Movment

[fresh pine]

I have made a suggestion similar to this but this is a little different. Instead of basic Partial Ragdoll systems for NPC's in games this game should do something different fully Active Movement that are driven by muscle systems unlike traditional Animation like Exanima. this will make interacting, Shooting, Hitting, and shoving Enemy's more physically driven. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R8Q96ukYeo this is a perfect example. this is suggesting active ragdoll for Ai movement not something that activates.

[zealous swan]

is this active ragdoll

[fresh pine]

yes but diffrent than when people think of euphoria

[zealous swan]

Euphoria uses the exact same muscle system, this is about as close to Euphoria as any suggestion could possibly get lmao

[fresh pine]

no im talking about how the ragdoll is always on

[zealous swan]

that already is in the game

[fresh pine]

nope they have partial ragdoll

[zealous swan]

in what way

[fresh pine]

like in blade and sorcery its still driven by animation

[zealous swan]

how do you know :)

upload a clip of the partial ragdoll in game

[fresh pine]

the showcases show the ai in a state like that

btw did you watch the video

[zealous swan]

not that I know of.
can you send it?

ive seen this

im talking about in beyond, how do you know it uses partial ragdolls?
is there a clip of it behaving like blade and sorcery like you said?

[fresh pine]

oh yeah sure

[fresh pine]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J4NCz16eWyw this is showing an idle animation

[zealous swan]

dawg what...
yea its gonna use animations,

[fresh pine]

?

[zealous swan]

that doesnt mean that it cant be an active ragdoll

[fresh pine]

are we talking about the same thing

[zealous swan]

it can use a muscle system with animations at the same time

[fresh pine]

im talking about like active ragdoll with no keyframing

animations made by those movements

[zealous swan]

you're literally trolling, that is euphoria at that point

[fresh pine]

sorry hang on i think i worded it wrong i mean like how its used in gta

[zealous swan]

how is it used in gta

like gta 4, with the euphoria ragdolls?

[fresh pine]

it ectivates once a force applies on it

[zealous swan]

like when you hit an enemy, it ragdolls?

[fresh pine]

yes

[zealous swan]

and he just, falls over then, right? 😶

[fresh pine]

when a force strong enough is applied yes

[zealous swan]

thats literally what they show in the video, when he shoots them they ragdoll 😭

[fresh pine]

im talking about how it works in gta?

[zealous swan]

Quick question ,what happened to the muscle based NPC movement system you were talking about? It feels like the focus shifted from how the NPCs move to how the ragdolls are triggered.

[fresh pine]

i was saying the Active ragdoll shouldnt be just triggered and should be use as a way to move

[zealous swan]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
that makes way more sense

[fresh pine]

like this game no keyframed animations

[zealous swan]

but how would they move?

[zealous swan]

that has keyframed animations

[fresh pine]

exanima?

[zealous swan]

its a blend between procedural and keyframed
I would imagine...
either way it would have to be animated somehow :/
otherwise the characters just wouldnt move

[fresh pine]

nope

[fresh pine]

animated using atcitve ragdoll

[zealous swan]

that doesnt mean it doesnt use animations

[fresh pine]

well not traditional animation

[zealous swan]

that sounds a lot like an active/euphoria ragdoll system to me but okayy

[fresh pine]

yeah but a lot of people recommend it as something that activates

[fresh pine]

and thats what im suggesting active ragdoll for a npc movement system

Ragdoll NPC Movment

[fresh pine]

would also be amazing for melee attacks

[fresh pine]

i think i know they make set "muscle" movements i think it could also be procedural maybe both

[fresh pine]

another idea could be letting these enemys be able to build momentum for more damage and slower movement the more damage a limb takes the less force they can use on that Muscle causing less damage

example

[fresh pine]

sorry i had music playing

[still rock]

Gladio and Glory?

Btw read the guidelines

[rigid token]

Bro just watch the video linked at the top of the post

[zealous swan]

ive watched it before this post was a thing :/

[fresh pine]

not what im suggesting

[fresh pine]

also what

[steel geyser]

We're currently working on this, it's got some crazy features I'm very excited to show you guys

[fresh pine]

YAAY btw saw the patreon looks awsome

[fresh pine]

are you guys also gonna use this for zombies melee it would probably be way better that animation functionality and looks wise

[zealous swan]

https://tenor.com/view/bleh-cat-silly-cat-cat-sticking-tongue-out-gif-12332973546502369976

[steel geyser]

Yeah it will be melee animations applied to an active ragdoll character

[fresh pine]

🥲 thank you btw is there a damage multiplyer based on momentum

[steel geyser]

Yeah it will be controlled by the velocity of the weapon/hand before impact

[hot raptor]

Ahh that’s one for the list 😉