Megamix HotTakes & BadTakes

[twin willow]

but 100% agree that sl isnt everything and they might grow on me in wr2 who knows (for now theyre my 32nd)

[terse quarry]

i dislike league as a game but league music has no reason to go as hard as it does

[bright bloom]

they are litterally the alan walker rep

[dense relic]

I think we need more Tatg takes so the channel isn’t so damn hot all the time ☝️

[cyan wagon]

Illumination is overhated.

There, I said it.

[fiery zenith]

as a source or as a studio?

agree on the former, SING alone gives them a bunch of material

[rocky bloom]

oh 100% illumination is actually a pretty good source
i know it's definitely my least favourite source on tyler and pretty much just a grab-bag of mainstream pop songs but that really works with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxUVuo6FHIM

this track is overhated because of its usage of the illumination source

its pretty much only my least favourite source because its up against the hydrogen bombs of Tyler, the Creator and CHRISTMAS

[rotund frost]

No yeah isn't there like

A lot of good songs put on like

Minions 2 for example

I’m Tyler! and I’m & the Grinch!
THE Tyler & The Grinch BROTHERS

[bright bloom]

SING is literally based on music so it has good selections

Both movies

And Dr Seuss Media is also funny

[rotund frost]

Igor’s Ultimatum is like one of the only non-Club Bangers tracks that is in my top 5 fav tracks in Megamix

[prime matrix]

The chance of pulling Biggering alone more than justifies Illumination.

[safe cradle]

They suck

[sturdy fulcrum]

we should be allowed to kill people

[safe cradle]

That’s a hot take!

Hot take: I think bad girlz would likely of been bottom 4 of megamix if their match got more votes. As far as I remember Gustavo had the YouTube pull for m13 but ultimately it was the second least voted match because a lot of people, including YouTube, didn’t show up. I predicted a Gustavo win and took the L but I still think if the match had like Dio/rcg area level of votes Gustavo would’ve won by maybe a bit more than bad girlz beat them by and then bad girlz wouldn’t of beat snails

Do also think if the match was redone today Gustavo would win

Also why I think bad girlz will be the bottom 1-2, I could see them making a surprisingly strong stand against MM5 but going down to mad/eon is like being thrown into a blender after he’s just survived the closest LR1 match

[merry wren]

bottom 4 seems a little unrealistic since everyone in bottom 4 either got stomped in one match or lost by hefty margins in both matches

and i don't think snails would necessarily stomp them

but yea i am surprised (and mildly glad) that they didn't go 0-2 since they would have been the shoo-in for that

regardless now bgz will sweep 🙏🏾

[rotund frost]

bad girlz are peak..

[primal wren]

damn right they are!

[fierce meteor]

the collaborations league has had are crazy

[fierce meteor]

real and true, at least as a source

i do think like, their animation deadass keeps getting better

and they have like this thing lowkey where they can do some fun experimental stuff in the frame of the mediocre-to-bad kids stuff they make because of all the success

like this one cool 2D segment in secret life of pets

[fierce meteor]

this track is HATED???

so lame, one of my favs from em imo

[rocky bloom]

hated may be a bit of exaggeration on my part but I have seen negative things about it

[serene walrus]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!! I LOVE NO TIME TO HOLD BACK

[sturdy fulcrum]

SPIT YO SHIT TECHNO!!!

[serene walrus]

Before IGOR'S ULTIMATUM, it was my favorite tyler and Grinch solo

[fiery zenith]

I feel like a lot of the filler period solos slipped under the radar

At least compared to the collab tracks

[primal wren]

psycho solder didnt go under MY radar!

[sturdy fulcrum]

me when i miss u ends up being one of my favorite hot ones tracks

[fiery zenith]

I often revisit MAD/EON’s 12122017 anniversary solo and The Titular Club Banger but

other ones I either misremember them as hype tracks or just forgot about entirely

[sturdy fulcrum]

yknow i was so confused one what anniversary solo you were referring to until i looked at you may find it hard to breathe

suddenly the date and description make a lot more sense

[fiery zenith]

hoping the hiatus lasts long enough to get another one this year

Tho i’d be more surprised if it didn’t

[sturdy fulcrum]

honestly if we do get solos for this filler period i'd really hope forum gets one

i feel like he has alot more potential than he'd put in bracket

[serene walrus]

Well we already know the 0-2s are getting solos released

So forum is likely getting one released

[sturdy fulcrum]

wait we do

like was that said?

[merry wren]

it was said that their solos would be released during filler periods, not sure if it was confirmed that we were getting them this filler period

[sturdy fulcrum]

yea

if anything i thought it would just be a slightly higher priority

[terse quarry]

fr!

i've been looping the song denzel made for arcane recently that shit is so fire

[fierce meteor]

jackson wang (88rising artist) made a p cool song for league

[cyan wagon]

Oh yeah, while I'm at it. Here's another hot take. I don't get the Friday Night Funkin' hate. The vocals aren't the best to pull, but there are a lot of really good instrumentals to pull from, be it official or from the mods.

[terse quarry]

in mh case part of it is the same as my electro swing hate (that is, i dislike it, but i blow it out of proportion for the bit) but also i just reeeally hate the vocals in mashups and on their own

the choppiness of them messes me up

the insts are fine tho

[merry wren]

yea the instrumentals are fine

[fiery zenith]

you’re right it just happens that most of the time fnf is pulled in tourneys it uses the voices/sfx

tho I liked how AUT did it in tankman vs viridian

[fiery zenith]

ok it probably would've been super unfair but I kinda wish When I Died was a premiere

mainly to see yt's reaction to the new render

[terse quarry]

tbh it wouldve been pretty hype if both ip address and when i died were premieres

[bright bloom]

on the topic on that song,

I just think it drags on for too long. sometimes a song is meant to be shorter than it is, and i think this is one of those songs

like it would've had me like neil more definitely if so

[primal wren]

how many tracks have been premieres so far?

[terse quarry]

counter-hot take

long mashups are like almost always good but thats largely because its inherently hard to make them drag on for too long, you either have to keep it constantly changing (i.e. darkie58, the 12-minute long track from Lightning Round) or just give it an insanely solid vibe that it reiterates on throughout the track (i.e. when i died, baptism of fire)

[bright bloom]

counterpoint: Darkie58 ( along with a lot of other examples) had 2 switch ups to keep it entertaining. When i Died didnt

[rocky bloom]

Darkie58, bracket, losers bracket, epic rap battles

I think there might be more?? maybe the bricks parody??

[twin willow]

rcg vs dio had one

[merry wren]

yep spectres of misfortune had a premiere

[terse quarry]

bricks wasnt a premiere iirc

[safe cradle]

we save premieres for really big things, so far the only ones we've done (excluding the brackets and results of course) are epic rap battles, spectres of misfortune and darkie58

if we made like every hypetrack with minor visual elements or every phase 3 of a match premieres it would remove the "ohhhh shit stuffs happenin" feel of it really fast imo

[sturdy fulcrum]

honestly the only hype i think could work would be uhh

[fiery zenith]

what happened in spectres of misfortune again

[sturdy fulcrum]

this guy's lr1 hype was literally a full on remix of a song with big visual elements n all

[merry wren]

peak

[primal wren]

peak

[sturdy fulcrum]

and even then it still kinda feels like a stretch

[primal wren]

they just casually dropped one of the top 10 megamix tracks thats what happened ‼️

[merry wren]

also the video was really fucking cool

[sturdy fulcrum]

imma be real i dont really bother with that track much

[merry wren]

you're so right

[sturdy fulcrum]

its cool i guess but i dont actively go out of my way to give it a listen

dont get me wrong it was still very hype but yknow its just not the thing i'd listen to all that often

[merry wren]

a brother is missing out but that is your prerogative

[tawny scroll]

megamix's biggest issue is pull variety
a lot of characters sacrifice a lot of the fun that can be had with them in order to maintain a vibe
and having a vibe is good and all
but in order to have a well-rounded character you have to be able to break that a little bit
heavy should be able to do an orchestral ultrakill/risk of rain hype track which pulls no sfm and like 2 portal songs
because it would be fun damn it

also megamix uses too many vocal pulls
which works in some places and can go into some fun stuff
but it's also to the detriment of instrumental pulls a lot of the time
it turns cadence from the camellia and tboi rep into the rhythm heaven and parappa rep
it turns netherrack nightmares from the roblox and terraria rep into the captain sparklez rep
it means that guzma barely pulls fun stuff from his actual source material
i LIKE organized crime. i LIKE run the jewels. hell i like vince staples every once in a while
but the most pokemon-vgm-based track we've gotten so far is hasta la viistar
which was like two years after he was revealed

[merry wren]

a lot of people have said that guzma not relying on pokemon was what brought people to him

and that applies to me at least for sure

[bright bloom]

on that topic. Vibes are a social construct and characters get music

[rotund frost]

???

Elaborate

The vibe is one of the most important parts of a character to me. A character could get a bunch of songs I don't care for, but I can still love them for the sound of their tracks (Snailiens & Lo-Fi come to mind)

Obviously I still enjoy it more when the songs being pulled are ones I like, but it's hardly the be all end all for a character

Without a concise vibe characters just sort of feel like an assortment of random tracks

Vibes for characters don't have to be super specific genres either, they can be more general atmospheres or descriptors; psychedelic, high octane, densely packed, quirky, brutalist, etc.

A character could legit just get good songs as their only source, and it would probably be an ass character because all of these good songs would be so varrying in their sound

Not saying one should only stick to that vibe, it's nice to have a track that deviates from it every now and then, but they are a fundamental building block for a character

[terse quarry]

this one is kind of just wrong 😭

im not trying to start anything but its hard to argue that characters, mashups, and like. musical works in general dont have Vibes

[safe cradle]

vibes is like

how a musician uses the character

i agree vibes exist but i do not take them into account when ranking characters because like

i look at the sourcelist as a whole, what can they get

they will never pull everything but the further they go the more likely they are to pull it

i think its stupid to vote characters based on their vibe because certain musicians use their sources differently

i vote based on if the character has more that i actively like/want to see pulled, Cadence will probably never pull like the Revita OST but they get it so i vote them

also puts an unwarranted pressure on the music team, like they cant make a captain sparklez track because it will make people vote against them

taking vibe into account is fine, but do not let it dictate how you vote imo

[safe cradle]

visuals, absolute peak track

still my #3 track overall (including unreleased)

[safe cradle]

also i see what nmac meant sorta i think, vibes do exist but they are like how a musician uses a character like "oh nn only uses captain sparklez" as an example that doesnt mean they dont get other shit and they wont use it

[fierce meteor]

^^ literally hyperabstraction exists

[rotund frost]

Yea but unless the track is all unrelated flavour pulls multiple musicians are going to create tracks within the same vibe due to the aura of the sources being pulled. Nearly all of Lo-Fi's sources are based around lo-fi hip hop and that general chillout feel, and this leads to a majority of her tracks containing this "vibe". Multiple different musicians have made Lo-Fi girl tracks, and they all fit within this category. Whilst others may not have as strong as a vibe, I'd argue that most contestants here do have one in some variety. Some contestants have multiple "vibes", and not all tracks fit squarely into a contestants vibe. However you'd be hard pressed to find a character in where every track is polarly different from one another in terms of soundscape; a melodic black metal track, followed by sunshine pop, followed by like dariacore. The vibe is more an extension of their pulls, and the connecting trends within the sourcelist, rather than an unrelated element. It's like a consistent genre or sonic soundscape that contestants tend to fall back on. Maybe it's something like one can presume Madeon is going to have more tracks that use electronic songs, I would call this a vibe. One can presume that Playing-With-Power's future tracks are going to be oriented around 16-bit music and the vibe that they bring. Lil Darkie's music has an aggressive noisy feel to it, and this is a feel/vibe that is carried over to the tracks. One doesn't have to intimately know Darkie's music to understand that they like this, it's one that can be picked up just from the tracks.
Vibes kind of an awful term to use to describe, something like feel of their tracks or atmosphere

Onto the whole voting side, I feel like vibe influencing votes over pull potential is a very fair thing. I'm going to bring up lo-fi girl again here, since she's a good example. But like I have little to no experience with lo-fi hip hop as a genre, I've listened to maybe 3 albums within it's style. There's nothing in the lo-fi hop hop genre that I'm sitting on the edge of my seat waiting to be pulled, this extends to all her sources. By your voting logic of voting on what I want to see pulled, I should have no interest in lo-fi girl as a character, and yet I do, because the genre source has set up a "vibe" that interests. Just to clarify I'm not saying all her tracks have to be in a lo-fi hip hop style or I'll riot, I'm perfectly fine with other styles being explored.
I just think voting purely based off pull potential is a kind of dumb thing to do. And it locks people who haven't delved into the minutiae of every source from properly voting. To use an actual match example, I have listened to barley any Kawaii Future Bass or Progressive House, however I still know I prefer Snailiens because their tracks have an undeniable electric, cute, upbeat and poppy feel to them, a trait brought on by the Kawaii Future Bass genre.
Not saying either method of voting is better, it's all up to personal preference.

Also I don't understand what your Captain Sparklez comment even means, it seems really disjointed from your other points and like seems to have little to do with vibe as I see it. If anything it seems to be one more against your method of voting, with people proffering to see media they want represented, as apposed to mine in where it's more about how the tracks turn out.

[safe cradle]

the captain sparklez point was moreso saying like you shouldn't dislike someone because of their general track vibe because it isnt all they can pull from, its fine to use vibes to like move your tierlist slightly but i just think its sorta eh to go like "i like character x because of how musician x does their tracks" i just worry alot about putting too much pressure on the team and people voting on the vibes of different contestants really feels like them saying musicians make tracks that sound like x so im voting for/against the character rather than looking at the character as a whole

i let the sourcelist take priority over the musician i guess if thats a dumbed down way of saying it, i dont care backroom may not use cadence as i like she is still my #1 and i wont drop her down because her "vibe" isnt what i want because i know she can have tracks with pulls i really really enjoy (this is a hypothetical, i enjoy how br uses cadence)

also it doesnt give a fair shot really to characters who get not nearly as many tracks as others like backroom can make 10 trillion character A tracks and people are more likely to enjoy their "vibe" compared to someone like character B who doesnt have as many tracks and hasn't been able to show off everything they can do and people assume their only vibe/atmosphere is the little they've had put out

people can vote how they want as long as its responsible (dont vote a character because your friend asked you to), but for me personally i never will get voting based entirely or majority on the general vibe of the characters tracks, i vote based on how much i like their sources and what they can pull from them, not what they have pulled

[bright bloom]

i was saying it with full on sarcasm.

just felt a bit silly

[rotund frost]

First off, with you on not wanting to unnecessary stress on the music team, they've all done a wonderful job so far.
The idea of a vibe is a fairly abstract concept, bit hard for my actual dumbass to properly put into words, but I feel that it's kind of inherently connected to the character, and musicians have different ways of expressing it. Like despite all of PWP's tracks being made by different people, they all still share the same vibe. And unless a track a is mostly based around flavour sources, which tend to only bring a weak connection to the vibe at most, it's probably going to well illustrate the vibe of a character. Some of the better sourcelists posted in Character-Discussion I can picture how their vibe would work without any track.
Mentioned before, but it's not solely the vibe that matters, I appreciate music I like being pulled as much as the next person, but that's an element that works in tandem with that of a vibe. All of the tracks that don't feature things I care for I still fuck with, because they're well made. It's not just about pulls in my eyes. Some of my favourite tracks feature no songs which I recognise. Though I'm not just going to main someone for their vibe, typically requires a strong connection to both. But with how much the vibe is informed by sources, I feel like if I like the base sources the vibe will generally be something I'm more interested in.
Feel like I'm probably treading on ground already walked on at this point, a lot of the points I can make I've outlined before.

But at the end of the day it's different peoples experience with art, I don't want to imply either way at looking at or ranking contestants is superior. Apologies if I came like that earlier, didn't intend to at all, just wanted to use your comment as a vehicle to discuss my way of appreciating the stuff done here, as well as commenting on a topic as abstract as that of a "vibe".

[bright bloom]

It's alright.

[brave crag]

this.
this take is fire.

[fierce meteor]

^^ return to vote responsibly

like lowkey it's still the most important factor for voting, at least for me

like dani said, track vibe is also mostly dependent on the musicians working on the char and what they wanna do with em

[brave crag]

RCG havent pulled the yakuza songs i want, they havent pulled furi, they havent pulled castle crashers or dbzf, they arent even rhw main jsab rep

[primal wren]

i think club bangers is in perfect hands

[brave crag]

but they can and thats why i love rch

[fierce meteor]

what rly shows what a char's about is yknow, the music they get (especially if it's a musician)

[primal wren]

i dont think anyone is gonna do a french house rep more justice (heh) than wholepunch is rn

[serene walrus]

If Captain Sparkelz makes you not wanna vote Netherrack, then you were never a Netherrack main

[terse quarry]

i vote on a middle ground of what has been pulled and what can be pulled which feels like da best of both worlds

[rocky bloom]

if you dislike netherrack nightmares im hitting you with a big rock

[narrow pine]

The problem is that they won't pull from the mods I like!!! /j

[narrow pine]

Totally agree with Heavy pulling ULTRAKILL, it'd bang so hard

[narrow pine]

^^^

[narrow pine]

They said hot takes, not good takes (this is a joke)

[junior sable]

I feel like my main problem with comparing pulls with potential is that... the prize is a takeover of mashups. by, hypothetically, the same people handling the tracks

by the later rounds especially, someone can likely get an idea of what is and isn't being pulled by the team, and if X Thing a voter especially wants from a character isn't coming up by the endgame, then I think it's reasonable to vote against them

all in all, I think it's currently too early to say there's correlation between current pulls and what a takeover would look like, but A) it's not going to be an outright nonfactor forever, and B) saying they're non-indicative period, uh. Completely defeats the point of hype tracks.

[tropic nexus]

:)

[fierce meteor]

the thing is that u have to remember that the week isn't more solos/collabs per se

and moreso mashups FEATURING the character's sources

so maybe an artist can get an idea with smth u wanna see pulled and work a mashup around it that doesnt exclusively stick to the sl either

[bright bloom]

PWP was a guarantee 0-2

They brought an arrangement sourcelist to a mashup tourney

They were good.

But idk a majority of the contestants beat them for me

Like bottom 8 for me

[serene walrus]

When I first got into the tournament and saw all the contestants, i immediately knew that were 0-2ing :(

[tawny scroll]

modding is a really really really cool source and the best thing nn has by far
especially if you stretch the definition enough to include romhacks
like it has enough of a reach to be pullable in a lot of different context
and it can pull a ton of really niche stuff in a way that gives every pull a unique sound and a flavor that other sources don't really get to
i must admit that it does probably work better in anarchy/large-sourcelist setting but i think that if nightmares ran with it, especially with pd to give that a vibe to play around using rpgmaker vgm, they could work some magic

[prime matrix]

It IS confirmed that ROM hacks fall under modding.

Just so you know.

[urban root]

FUCK YEAH MARIOS MYSTERY MEAT

[bright bloom]

Forum, NN Pull

Vinesause is literally a soundclown Essential i know its maily gSports but Still

[tawny scroll]

yeaaaah
kaizo mario track when

[urban root]

it is? i don’t know much about soundclown so…

[bright bloom]

Grand Dad, Whos Been Drawing Dicks?, Super Ghostbusters, just to name a few

[urban root]

ohhhh, gotcha

tbh i don’t know much about soundclown in general

[safe cradle]

i dont agree anyone was a 100% 0-2 until the tournament actually kicked off, remember stuff like alot of people thought nn would 0-2

i think all the people techno said were more likely but i mean anything can happen nobody was 100% gonna lose it all, i mean almost everyone agreed darkie 32nd during wr1 then he almost beat mad/eon

[dense relic]

Also kid cobra

[prime matrix]

I saw people saying Kid Cobra was an easy bottom of the 0-2.

Now he's at the top.

[brave crag]

not anywhere close to a hot take but people definitely dislike cobra because of him being from Arms, not for any actual reason to do with his SL

[prime matrix]

I'd go further to saying there's a huge anti-Nintendo music sentiment in this voting community.

Now, my target test subject is Dani, but it's still noticable.

[serene walrus]

was the most robbed

[prisma patio]

nahnahnah if we're talking about robbed contestants been getting robbed ever since classic

[primal wren]

backroom really said "yea lets put mtt tour in a corner with 3 of the most popular contestants. surely they wont get 32nd again" /lh

[merry wren]

yea swapping mm5 and mtt could have been interesting but i feel like they probably don't even hold up even among the less popular characters

[bright bloom]

I dont even need to say it

you already know what Imma say

[brave crag]

mtt deserved a better buff

frigid take but, whatever

[primal wren]

what would you give them?

[bright bloom]

any toby fox involved media

[primal wren]

agree with this one :p

[bright bloom]

and just UT/DR Fan Content

[brave crag]

Off the top of my head:
Idea 1. Stronger focus on robots source, and expand it to other mechanical constructs as well (androids, cyborgs, ect)
Idea 2. Give him gameshows back and maybe reality tv as a whole

[merry wren]

yea i think focusing on expanding his mwc sl would have helped more bc he ended up being a little messy

also yea fancontent probably would have done numbers for him

like if he had something resembling oh grow a spine will you, more people would have shown up for him

i think he was still doomed in that corner though

[brave crag]

if he pulled "I Lost On Jeopardy" maybe he wouldnt have gotten 32nd but he lost the gameshows source and now look where we're.at

[rotund frost]

Does the youtube audience love "i lost on jeopardy"

[brave crag]

yeah

source:

[bright bloom]

Might not be as hot of a take but

Retroland Rocquefeller is Gustavos best track so far. Like the saxophone with pop and the switch to Christmas infiltration is all perfect

[terse quarry]

it's a really good solo, all of his solos are pretty equal

[bright bloom]

I mean I think it's just the best of the bunch

[serene walrus]

RayWilliamJohnson is a very good source imo

Idk something about his voice just works in mashups

[bright bloom]

I think it same the similar tone with something like bonfires vocals

[high tree]

If MTT pulled Detroit becoming human, it would of been over

That would of been such a huge, insane pull

[primal wren]

hear me out for a second

what if

[serene walrus]

black men ensemble

[fiery zenith]

[narrow pine]

[pearl gate]

I think the sky doesn’t actually have a color

[gentle ether]

nuh uh

[copper grail]

i don't think women should be allowed to vote

[primal wren]

D:<

fine then... but when cadence loses don't come crying to me.

[copper grail]

can contestants even vote in their own matches

[hardy solar]

hey guys!

[gentle ether]

NO

[bright bloom]

I DON'T BELIEVE IN COMMON SENSE

[copper grail]

i don't believe in voting rights but that doesnt mean you should shout :(

[tulip tartan]

Guzma should be allowed to vote 10 times

[merry wren]

deus aren't you a woman /gen

[distant bluff]

The people who are very invested in the tournament have been increasingly toxic about their hatred for specific characters, especially during LR1. I think there is absolutely no issue with people who passionately support their characters, but once it turns to hating on opposing voters it goes beyond friendly competition. To be abundantly clear, you can like/dislike any character for any reason, and you can make an earnest attempt to change people's minds, but the second you start attacking people for their votes/taste you need to take a big step back.

[copper grail]

yeah

why?

[merry wren]

no reason

[safe cradle]

this

we actively warn and monitor people who do this to the point it makes people uncomfortable enough to ask us to step in, dont end up making us have to warn you if you're actively too aggressive

its just a online tournament

[serene walrus]

Man really brought out the worst in people huh lmao

[primal wren]

did it?

i& wasnt in the server for that match

[fiery zenith]

yeah

There’s a pin in #spoilers about the toxicity during the results and the chat was locked for like a minute so people would read it

and that one got some toxicity outside of the discord too with that one tweet you’ve prolly already seen

from what I can tell vs was the only other one that really stood out as negative

[primal wren]

aww

[crystal whale]

Ngl I thought would be like toxic (after results) given the rigging and stuff

[fiery zenith]

oh I was thinking within the scope of this round

if we're talking the tournament as a whole then yeah that match and vs also qualify

[hardy solar]

I like good things and dislike bad things #MegamixHotTakes

[primal wren]

this one might cause controversy but i like bad things and dislike good things

[merry wren]

mods sentence them(?) to a time warp from which they(?)'ll never return (sorry idk your pronouns)

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-tie-him-up-gif-11927923657429006938

[serene walrus]

I am a black man

[crystal whale]

What

Th-that’s wha what does that have to do with megamix wha-what im so fucking confused

That was so #random

(Not trying to be rude btw)

[serene walrus]

Oh i was responding to this lmao

[merry wren]

huh???

I was responding to clbn, idk what you’re on about

[serene walrus]

[dense relic]

https://tenor.com/view/all-of-this-pointing-up-there-see-this-gif-14720503

MEGAMIX SHOULD REMOVE ALL WOMEN.

[primal wren]

no

[high tree]

I also feel like thats part of the character, lil darkie and madeon both scream a lot so naturally the voters did too lol

[serene walrus]

"BITCH PULL OUT YOUR KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

[bright bloom]

I thought it was
"BITCH FIGHT FOR YOUR LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE!"

[serene walrus]

Nah its "BITCH PULL OUT YOUR KNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

[bright bloom]

Idk it sounds a lot like
"BITCH FIGHT FOR YOUR LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFE"

[rotund frost]

club bangers shoulda kept the absurd media source gigi scoops had in MW tbh...

it's a really good flavor source

it would've fit FFS too but he's already peak soooo...

[fierce meteor]

this statement is rly funny because madeon irl is a very kind, meek guy

and the majority of his music is like, the happiest shit you've ever heard /hj

and it will never not be funny that megamix has probably permanently skewed the image of madeon to most unfamiliar with him prior to the tournament

https://tenor.com/view/madeon-happy-smiling-laugh-chuckle-gif-18917124

the best way to see what im talking about for the uninitiated is to listen to these two back-to-back
https://youtu.be/Cxq3GIxlv20?si=va2xvGqacwR1YcOm
https://youtu.be/xoLLLLMswjs?si=Cv5OfUMFun8to9TR

[fiery zenith]

I get what you mean but you picked probably the worst possible example for “happy madeon” lmao

[bright bloom]

Scatman Hatman and Madman is a good example of HAP/EON

[sturdy fulcrum]

as someone who didnt know who the fuck madeon was prior to knowing this tournament id say its sumn like

"went in expecting TURBOMEGAFAST, came out with You're On (feat. Kyan). I still do not know to feel about this"

[safe cradle]

i will say this match is what got the mods the most issues with people misbehaving/having to be warned, but overall that is only a few bad apples none of the matches really had too much toxicity

[serene walrus]

Well that's good to know at least

I will say finally having is my favorite thing to come out of that match

Now if only we had a stock of together...

[merry wren]

actually i wonder how the lore for that match is going to turn out

[serene walrus]

Which match? ?

I feel like it's gonna be getting heated

[fiery zenith]

semi related but I’m so sad we didn’t get the griffin stock as an emote during gustavo vs snaliens

neil vs forum got like 5

[narrow pine]

I will never forget searching Madeon on YouTube and being like "Where's the dark techno"

[narrow pine]

I haven't seen the tweet yet

[fiery zenith]

it's nothing really worth seeing

just your classic "why didn't people vote for the cool thing I liked and voted for the popular thing I don't like"

[safe cradle]

unlike ffs unfused and neil cipher rick isnt teamed up with keitai, they are literally just a pillow

so its probably never happening

[dense relic]

Will keitai become a real girl once Rick gets sent to the goners bracket

[serene walrus]

[fiery zenith]

Nah actually ketaichan ghostwrites all of rick’s tracks trust me I’m in backroom

[fierce meteor]

💀 ok here's real happy madeon https://youtu.be/xp0NOjZlNlo?si=oupzvwilZwvQbBDi

[rotund frost]

You're on moment

does someone have the vocals the ah oh oh he oh he eh eh things

[fiery zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxaIz-DV_88

[rotund frost]

So real

[rocky bloom]

HE'S NOT RED??

HE'S NOT ANGRY MUSIC MAN IRL??

[rotund frost]

he's not

[fierce meteor]

@hardy crow do u have youre on hook 100 bpm

[hardy crow]

no but its not hard to find

[crystal badger]

we always have it on hand

[copper grail]

LMAO

It crashed my laptop

[serene walrus]

They aren't starseer.glitch for no reason XD

[rotund frost]

You're on hook is haunted

[fiery zenith]

madeon to deus' computer: you're off

[crystal badger]

our kinshift to glitch being fucked things up oh no-- /j

[serene walrus]

[bright bloom]

I don't really understand this guy. Like at all

Like I FW his music. But I don't see him as a big deal or anything.

Especially since and hit with me more

Not saying I Hate him despite all the MID/EON jokes I can make.

I'm just saying I don't think he's all that.

[serene walrus]

are comparable?

[bright bloom]

French Electronic Artists

House music in general

These MM5 M/E And CB are like the Funky EDM peoples on a surface level

[merry wren]

madeon as an artist sure

but mad/eon is way more than those two

vibe-wise anyways

[bright bloom]

Eh I just don't get it

[serene walrus]

Id argue has the most at least from what we've gotten so far

[merry wren]

sorry i don't mean in range

i mean like mad/eon is more than french house/edm music

[serene walrus]

Ohhhhh

[merry wren]

yea that was unclear, sorry

[bright bloom]

Like I listen to Icarus and I'm Ascending. But I try out The ARG album for the first try and now I risk eardrum cancer/j

[serene walrus]

In that case dont listen to Hardstyle lmao

[bright bloom]

Nah Hardstyle is Awesome

[merry wren]

def look more into mad/eon's genres

bc i do agree that on an artist level, he can be similar to cb or mm5

but those genres really flesh him out beyond those two

also he has sick collabs so check those out too (porter robinson is more mm5 vibe, but yung bae, saint pepsi, flamingosis are more future funk, and ofc he gets lady gaga)

[bright bloom]

But tbh none of the Electro music people are winning my ideal bracket anytime soon.

[merry wren]

also valid, it's personal taste after all

it's funny since mm5, cb, and mad/eon are all my secondaries so i definitely do like their sound a good bit

[copper grail]

if we dont get a canon fluff fic of the grinch x minion next valentines day i think i'll kill someone

[fierce meteor]

^ he is french and makes electronic music yeah, but his music's a far cry from the likes of oizo and stuff imo

and prog house is also it's own thing

mad/eon in megamix is particularly oriented with the sound of specific, darker/industrial ep so, even more difference

[hardy solar]

Truing actually.

[feral gazelle]

In my opinion I never really cared for MAD/EON as a character nothing in his source list stuck out to me and his mashups give me a headache (sorry to the people who made those mashups). Also i feel like people are just voting for the lore and cus one of the people working on megamix like MAD/EON.

[serene walrus]

Idk how I feel about this one chief

If people were lore voting, I'm fairly certain MAD/EON would be in winners

[primal wren]

yea like don't assume people are lorevoting just because you don't agree with a matches outcome

[narrow pine]

And most youtube megamixers don't read the lore anyways

[serene walrus]

If we're lore voting, needs to win

[narrow pine]

I would say needs to win regardless

[serene walrus]

Nahhhhh he's my one of my ideal 0-2s

[rocky bloom]

lorevoting for

[serene walrus]

[narrow pine]

Fair, he's my corner taker lmao

[serene walrus]

The duality of man(or woman or nonbinary person)

[serene walrus]

Or trans

Or system

[primal wren]

trans and system are not genders

[serene walrus]

Okay with systems, that's fair

The term is literally transgender, how is that not a gender?

[copper grail]

theyre identiyiny as trans to a gender

[safe cradle]

because its swapping to another gender from the one assigned at birth

[primal wren]

trans is just a label that refers to identifying as a gender different from your birth sex i wouldnt say it's a gender within itself and already falls under man/woman/nb

[copper grail]

transgender is the descriptor, their gender is the one they transitioned to

[safe cradle]

someone isnt "transgender" they're a trans woman, trans man, etc

[copper grail]

yeahhhhh

[serene walrus]

Ahhh I see

Apologies

[safe cradle]

megamix hottake: gender

[narrow pine]

S'all good, man

[serene walrus]

I cannot explain why I like RCG so much

[safe cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763851567450423313/1155919146773663744/image.png?ex=651c4f98&is=651afe18&hm=9331863a7e6c2e51560515c71f1badb03fd00035cf2c914b9660c00d1aa4f47e&

[primal wren]

glad you saved this apparently

[narrow pine]

Paradise jumpscare

[safe cradle]

i sent it to rose and they agreed instantly

[fierce meteor]

i feel like with this logic
chars like and even would be getting votes because of their lore and their big backroom darling status

same with and (both in losers)

youre valid for not being into madeon but br enjoyment/lore are NOOOOOOT factors in voting

also, his tracks have a more industrial/rough sound, but Madeon himself (the musician) actually makes music that's very different from the sound MAD/EON revolves around

give Good Faith or Adventure a try sometime, u might like it

[prime matrix]

Sorry chief, but automatically assuming that a character you don’t like won unfairly is not a good path to go down. I can assure you, a lot of people just like what Mad/Eon brought to the table. Hell, I never even heard of him before this tournament, and didn’t read the lore post until after the match was over, and voted for him simply because I like his music and thought the ARG source was a very interesting and unique pool to pull from.

The fact that Mad/Eon vs Lil Darkie was the single highest voted match this round, and the closest of LR1 shows that there was more than enough people who cared about either opponent.

[rotund frost]

Hot take: I think Scott should win Mashup Week!

[merry wren]

idk geico gaming is pretty cool imo

[rotund frost]

also I hope I pray I beg for boss matches later down the line when there’s much less contestants to handle, and maybe it could be like L1 where there’s 3 match tracks but the 3rd track actually features the boss and their pulls

[rotund frost]

more like Geico GEEKS!

[merry wren]

https://c.tenor.com/izTNkY2BgkAAAAAM/fade-away-oooooooooooo.gif

[high tree]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-saul-saul-goodman-adamghik-gif-23876766

[lethal bough]

tbh true (except for the lore voting bit), none of his sources jump out to me like 99% of the other contestants. maybe args but eh

[hardy solar]

Hot take: I'm really tired and also gay rn

[primal wren]

the LGBT forum is just two rooms down :p

[dense relic]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

Scott the mid

[safe cradle]

we should do a crossover event everyone posts hot takes in lgbtq+ forum and everyone here posts gay stuff

[crystal whale]

So like a regular Thursday

[fierce meteor]

hot gaykes

[odd tusk]

I was listening to music for no reason and thought of a duel track involving two characters

https://youtu.be/klJCq4sRFmA?feature=shared

yes this is probably a badtake

[prime matrix]

Wait, how do ScatHat get this?

[serene walrus]

It was a 90s hit of course

[rotund frost]

One Hit Wonder?

[prime matrix]

I refuse to accept that as a One-Hit Wonder

The definition is already muddied up as is.

[crystal badger]

hot take: mad/eon should have a pipebomb in lore-- /j

[bright bloom]

There Will never be another set of matches quite like WR1 Corner 6

[tawny scroll]

Yeah
I think if you include lr1 and wr2
We're not getting stuff at that level for a while
Can't wait for WR2M6 it's going to be so peak

[high tree]

Hot Take: Mad/Eon should become Happy/Eon

[rotund frost]

is this truthful

[high tree]

Based on Technicalities, Mad/Eon does pull some pretty optimistic songs, so its pretty truth ful

[primal wren]

and he teams up with pharrell :p

[lethal bough]

the collabs source that just appeared:

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-suit-meme-man-wearing-suit-meme-suit-slideshow-sparkles-and-champagne-gif-26378137

[rotund frost]

true

[tender pollen]

GLAD/EON

[high tree]

https://tenor.com/view/mandem-enel-one-piece-shock-gif-23282505

IT WORKS, GLAD/EON IS CANON

[narrow pine]

HAP/EON

[gentle ether]

just kinda okay/EON

[hardy solar]

i mean it's alright/eon

[narrow pine]

Not really feeling it right now/EON

[high tree]

MEOW/EON

https://tenor.com/view/evil-cat-red-screen-evil-cat-kitten-evil-bad-vibes-cat-gif-24237861

[crystal whale]

I’m going to krill myself/EON

[copper grail]

i think they should let just a couple rigs go past if the person rigging is trying really super hard

they earned it

[bright bloom]

Despite being two of the best characters according to many..

I think the grand finals being Hot Ones vs Scatman and Hatman would be very boring imo

[merry wren]

you clearly haven't listened to enough soul-jazz

90s r&b is also pretty heat, we'd probably get some blood on the dance floor or HIStory pulls if that match happened

it won't ofc bc it'll be dio-hot ones but it will def be a good match

[bright bloom]

If dio makes it the grand finals then we're doomed as a society

[merry wren]

you're doomed maybe

i simply achieve my final form in that case

[narrow pine]

River City Over Heaven ACT 3 Love Train Requiem

[merry wren]

real and true

[fiery zenith]

nah someone from corner 3 is absolutely making grands

betting (metaphorically) on ace tho I'd prefer cb

[high tree]

Guys I have a genuine hot take

I know I’ve been kind of joking before, but I have something hot take worthy

Painful Dreamers needs more RPG Makermedia Pulls and Psychedelic pulls. I feel like it would make sense if they pull from Psychedelic horror games because that’s like part of the character. Like Layers of Fear, Cry of Fear, maybe even Super liminal or games that are psychological, I know it’s a bit of a stretch but that extra ‘clever pull’ would really make me want to main them.

Maybe I’m missing the charm of painful dreamers, or maybe it’s the Joy I’ve been on, but more horror games = main

Really hoping with Vs NN they really focus on the horror, and stop using glass animals (omg I hate that band for personal reasons)

[safe cradle]

i recently beat cry of fear and learning painful dreamers gets it makes me want to unmain them (joke )

[high tree]

Cry of fear makes me… cry of fear

https://tenor.com/view/unfunny-so-funny-funny-larry-cant-stop-laughing-gif-25205348

[dense relic]

THIS WOULD BE INCREDIBLE

[fierce meteor]

nmac im gonna blow you up with my mind /j this is the hot takes channel and that's a fair take

[fierce meteor]

this one has insane synergy, both musically and in funnies

https://tenor.com/view/this-shit-aint-nothin-to-gif-10654407095131904619

this bastard wins megamix all by himself

chokes out hot ones and dio
the last thing they saw was the price tag on them Givenchy gloves
fade into nothing, as he grabs the essence and lets the archangels take em

/ref

[rotund frost]

here’s why painful dreamers should pull undertale 2: revenge of the robots.

they can pull vocaloid songs.

[odd tusk]

I had a random idea for a long time

imagine some megamix lore involving detective hatkid I thought of a sherlock type of thing so having hatkid as sherlock and poniko being watson and they work together to find out who stole scott’s favorite game

[rocky bloom]

that could be fun, I could see it as an opportunity to let poniko open up a lil

[bright bloom]

Unrelated to Megamix but

Hide and Seek is the best game ever created

Better than Minecraft better than GTA

[feral gazelle]

Game of the year

[feral gazelle]

After listening to some more of mad/eons songs and relistening to his mashups i am actually starting to like MAD/EON now

[rotund depot]

Here are 2 of my bad takes:

1: I like the mashup week classic artstyle more than Megamix's 2: gSports is the worst buff

[rocky bloom]

damn… Those ARE bad takes!

[rotund depot]

Too elaborate: 1: Megamix has the better art overall, but I feel that classic has more charm and personality 2: gSports barely changes anything about Geico Gaming

[merry wren]

so you think snails had a better buff than gsports?

[rotund depot]

ok you got me there

[merry wren]

oh no i was just curious

bc i feel like some people would say that snails were better buffed than some other characters even if it feels minimal

i personally think snails could have gotten more but that's beside the point

[rotund depot]

I just feel like gsports is just geico gaming with barely any changes

also 3: Neil cipher isn't that bad of a buff

[merry wren]

yea i'd agree with that

i think streamers makes gsports more interesting than geico gaming but streamers is definitely like a very logical buff to geico gaming that doesn't feel necessarily as expansive as other buffs

and neil cipher definitely could have gotten more as well but it's a fitting buff fs

[rotund depot]

what else would you have wanted from Neil?

[merry wren]

im personally a big fan of songs related to eyes and mouths bc i think it's weird and would have matched the vibe

other people have said like dreams or indietronica but dreams is taken by pd and ig indietronica was possible but idk

oh also artists sampled in one of the mouth albums has been thrown around as a buff, maybe artists sampled in mouth dreams

[rotund depot]

Good ideas, I think that since Neil was a really good character in classic, the few changes made for Neil Cipher still work

[merry wren]

yea fr like he continues to have some of the best tracks in the project so even a "small" buff fits him really well

[sturdy fulcrum]

i like the sentiment that neil's real buff is having this specific team working with him

[rotund depot]

One more thing 4: a lot of newcomers aren't that good or don't use their sources that well ( ex: mm5, Gustavo, pd, and ( this one is very controversial ) Mad/Eon )

in my opinion

[sturdy fulcrum]

is pd they dont use rpgmaker enough

[rotund depot]

kind of, it's just that they have very intresting sources that could make for weird pulls ( kind of like Neil) but they just don't really do that

[brave crag]

im still of the mind that mtt should have had reality tv

[rotund frost]

Wait till you hear about the original Snail's Cafe buff

[merry wren]

yes i remember seeing that

it was pretty heat

admittedly i think kkb collabs would have been enough on top of what they already have

[rocky bloom]

damn.. and we had a conversation about bad buffs without even mentioning MTT- FUCK!

[merry wren]

i think if mtt actually used glam rock, it would not have been an issue

but yea if you consider glam rock to be a nothing buff, then he basically got nerfed which is so crazy

[lethal bough]

if gustavo pulled jay-z under notable producers he would've 75-1'd by now

[prime matrix]

What the? When did this Forum come back?

[stark plaza]

Dude i just stumbled upon this chat and I wanna respond to month old messages so bad

So many of these takes are Dumb

A lot of this chat is just saying like. i dont like blank character

[rocky bloom]

do it

[stark plaza]

or just saying a character making grands or whatever would be lame

[stark plaza]

i want to

but im Mature

anyway id show my megamix hot takes but i dont really have any without delving into "ooh i dont like this character" which like i think is lame

uhh

heavy gsports is the most underrated match of the tournament

fighting games is the best vgm source in the entire tournament and its not even close

[primal wren]

its up there

i like rhythm games the most

[stark plaza]

rhythm games are cool but a majority of it i dont care for

when its not pulling like edm or osu or whatever i tend to like it more

[merry wren]

i think 3d brawlers or mysteries can be cooler imo

but really like "best vgm source" is just whichever one you have more of an attachment to

[stark plaza]

mysteries is not a vgm source

3d brawlers is cool

[merry wren]

ok mystery games then

like a very minor distinction there but sure

[stark plaza]

thats the only thing that sort of comes close imo Lol

hat kid does not get explicitly mystery games therefore i am not counting mystery games

even then still fighting games is way more diverse

mysteries are cool tho

i like aa

waiting for the somnium files pull

uhh what other hot takes do i have

idk none come to mind

i try to be positive with my hot takes i dont wanna say somethings shit cuz i think a lot of chat is primarily negative

ok i got one that isnt really megamix specific but its more of a general tournament take

i saw a tweet saying like. let me find it rq

[rocky bloom]

sand box

[merry wren]

did you find it yet

[brave crag]

modding

man i sure wish there was an fgc modding rep

in a tourney!

they would definitely be in my top tiers!

[stark plaza]

update

could not find the fucking tweet

it said something like flavors bad Urrrggghhh primarily shit like songs related to dogs or cats

not flavors in general but stuff like that because they dont add to a characters vibe

which. i agree with on paper, but on some characters it definitely can depending on usage

like songs related to insects is not something i care for but the way guzma used it to pull to pimp a butterfly to mesh more with the rap vibe he was going for is really fucking dope

[brave crag]

like

flavors are very broad its hard to say they dont add to vibes

[fierce meteor]

gustavo uses his sources perfectly imo

[junior sable]

counter: did neil not have this in mwc?

I don't know if that really qualifies as a buff

[fiery zenith]

You’re right but it’s been 4 years and the team has gotten way bigger/more talented than mwc team was

i’d still count it as a buff in a way

[rotund frost]

needs more non-spirit phone…

has. has Neil cipher even pulled the mysterious ticking noise yet.

[fiery zenith]

Nope

clearly they’re saving it for the lore post where Neil uses the pipe bomb to defeat Bill

[brave crag]

he needs to pull bill watterson,,,

[stark plaza]

gustavo is a very bad example especially after lr1

dude was fucking crazy with his usage like. ok big time rush. nsync. one direction. brockhampton. community. the 2 best spongebob songs. like this man pulled literally everything i couldve asked from him

[merry wren]

you forgot spiderverse

but yea he was absolutely sick with it

[stark plaza]

also madeon?? bro what?????

i just think you are not familiar with madeon because he has used his sources very well especially after lr1

also yeah spiderverse i forgot about that

used to be a producer hater but atp idgaf hes fun

[merry wren]

yea like people are like "ooh time is too broad, notable producers is too broad" like who gives a shit, if i like what i hear, who am i to disagree

[stark plaza]

tbh i see where theyre coming from i still dont fully understand the producer source but its fun so it doesnt bother me

[cyan wagon]

Allow me to drop a pipe bomb in here rq

Okay, so this is a gripe I have with some Mashup Week tracks, but also Tournament mashups as a whole. People need to lessen to amount of overlapping vocals in tracks. Most of the time, it doesn't work, and ruins the mixing.

The thing with mashups is that they're kind of like a puzzle. You select songs that compliment each other well, and you want to avoid selecting songs that will drown each other out. The latter problem is often caused by overlapping vocals, with tend do drown each other out and generally speaking, make the music hard to make out. T beginning of Spectres of Misfortune is a leading example of how they can still work. It blends Subhuman Self with Chi No Sadame perfectly, because the former is meant to me a leading vocal while the latter backs it up. As a result the two songs combined not only compliment each other, but elevate the mood of the track as a whole with their menacing tone. Problem is, most tracks don't do that, and only overlap two leading vocals at the same time. As said earlier, that leads to vocal drowning.

I say this because I want to give my opinion on how the music quality can be even better than it already is. I don't mean to only break the music here down, but offer ways to build it up even further.

[brave crag]

insanely good take

[crystal badger]

hot take: mtt tour and gustavo would be fire
(also a good r1 match but)

hot take 2: someone please take this potato. it is very hot

[prime matrix]

Bro acting like racing games isn’t on the table with gSports.

[tropic nexus]

yeah exactly

thats a rule of mashup making that i follow and try and convicne others to, no more than 2 vocals at once, and minimise overlap between them

[rotund frost]

Solo vocal mashup when?

Acapella Week: Megamix

[jaunty canopy]

How many sources a character can pull is WAY less important than the vibe/style of music those sources bring

[stark plaza]

Racing games is good yea

[lethal bough]

90s hip hop plea😭

[brave crag]

that isnt a vgm source

[stark plaza]

Bro.

Vgm better than rap anyway 💯 🔥

[rocky bloom]

Lmao rap over Persona 5 and Friday Night Funkin'???

[stark plaza]

Persona 5 is real af tho Last Surprise > all of Tupacs discography

[brave crag]

why are we pitting two bad bitches up against eachother

[lethal bough]

it is when you think hard enough 💪

[prime matrix]

When you think about it, Barkley gets the DK Rap

[merry wren]

that'd be a really silly dual

[cyan wagon]

Okay lemme drop another pipe bomb in here. Consistent usage or not, are extremely bloated, which hurts their appeal overall. They get such a wide variety of music pools that they don't feel focused sound-wise.

Even if you want to argue that it doesn't matter as long as their usage is consistent, they're still hogging onto sources that would go better on other characters. Case-and-point, Detective Hat Kid could've benefited from having Noir / Crime Jazz as a source, but couldn't due to ScatHat having all of Jazz.

It feels like promising all of those sources in a takeover would lead to them feeling very unfocused, and would leave big fans of some sources feeling dissapointed due to a lack of focus, fanservice or deep cuts. I think that they could've benefitted from a hard nerf. What that nerf would be, I'm not exactly sure.

[merry wren]

I don’t think you’re wrong in that scathat is just not going to use all jazz

like scatman himself is primarily vocal jazz which is very different stylistically from all jazz

like it’s cool that they have that and it makes me like them more than I necessarily would but you’re not wrong on that point

[cyan wagon]

Yeah. Jazz is a GIGANTIC genre. It needs to be limited to a subgenre or time period. It's like if a character got all Hip-Hop. It's the same problem I have with , despite how much I love them.

[merry wren]

i think r&b at least is mildly more consistent but yea contemp/alt r&b sounds very different from like core 20th century r&b

[cyan wagon]

Yeah...

[prime matrix]

Thank you erdrick for saying what I often feel scared to.

The fact that they practically get an entire decade's worth of music when other people are restrained to "A Genre from this decade" or "Only the top songs from these two years" feels really unfair.

And I've already said my piece about the problems I have with "One-Hit Wonders" as an ill-defined source that can easily be abused to include nearly anyone.

Love their tracks. Love the two characters. I wish them best of luck on the tourney and to their fans.

But I don't want them to win.

[merry wren]

yea like scathat are my #12

but there are just cooler characters on that side of the bracket and in losers left

[cyan wagon]

should've won his R1 match. He feels a lot more focused as a character concept, focusing on Neil's music and seemingly his style of mashups while blending it perfectly with Disney XD.

That and Bust-Inator was mostly bumping.

[merry wren]

bust-inator is pretty unreal

scathat are kinda just like a "good music" rep though

though if they weren't mwc bosses, they probably wouldn't have won that, or at least not by that wide of a margin

johna's essay on scathat is pretty good though, like i absolutely get the appeal but definitely other characters speak to me more

[rocky bloom]

society when scathat pull jazz rap

[merry wren]

(it has been explicitly confirmed that this is not one of their focuses)

which is unfortunate

like they have all jazz but they're just not going to use it

[fiery zenith]

r1 m12 is kinda goofy in retrospect

you got the guy with only a single (admittedly good) discography to his name and a grab bag of random songs he’s used
vs team “yeah they get 4 genres one of which is broad enough to carry entire contestants”

I feel like scathat just kinda objectively wins that one (even tho I voted neil iirc)

[crystal badger]

(the same can be applied to mm5 vs. snailiens honestly lol)

(like. mm5-- technically get two genres... but prog. house is kinda stretched to be most non-electro or french house, and due to having monstercat/monstercat artists. they can branch into even more genres)

[sturdy fulcrum]

(2 of those four genres are subgenres of one of the other two genres if i remember right)

(im not disagreeing that neil v scathat was kinda fucked up in retrospect, this is just a really fuckin common thing lol)

[merry wren]

mambo is a eurodance subgenre?

[sturdy fulcrum]

jazz

im referring to jazz

[merry wren]

nothing im reading about mambo suggests that it is a jazz subgenre

[sturdy fulcrum]

checkin it again rn and uhhhh

guess i remembered it wrong

[brave crag]

@tall tiger this is what i was waffling on about yesterday

[tall tiger]

true

[fierce meteor]

truuu, plus he SHOULD be a btr machine imo

[serene walrus]

this why should have beaten /j

[rotund frost]

Jazz is probably the biggest source in all of megamix

Like in terms of just the number of things that can be pulled

I don't think any other source can pull the sheer amount of things that jazz can

[fiery zenith]

relistened to semi-charmed a lula recently and I read some comments

apparently nmac left a comment expressing this exact sentiment a year ago, during the match

doesn’t really change anything I just thought it was kinda funny

[fiery zenith]

I wanted him to win that match so bad but looking back I think his odds are slightly better in left side losers anyway so I’m not too upset anymore

[cyan wagon]

MAD/EON should've won I feel. His music is really good.

[narrow pine]

Yeah I don't know how NN didn't only beat him, but stomped him too.

[prisma patio]

as someone who has NN as his top 6, yeah I also don't understand how we won that XD

[rocky bloom]

Because Nn Are the best character

[prisma patio]

<- funky lil fellow

[merry wren]

i think people just did not know what madeon was at that point

like i remember people were talking about one guy who voted nn during the nn-madeon match for not knowing about madeon and they switched to madeon in madeon-darkie bc he was like i get it now

or something along those lines

[safe cradle]

respectfully mad/eon did not have a chance and i was saying that the entire time, backroom even considered at one point moving NN because they expected them to hard 0-2

Minecraft is literally the largest game in the world and an extremely large pulling point for any sort of youtube audience
Mad/eon had two args, backrooms favour and discords favour and they still had less overall support before the match silently in selfroles and general appeal outside the server

mad/eon has had a big ass boost since then and he was already strong but just not NN levels

but if the match happened again today i would say the same results at most 2% closer for mad/eon

i think mad/eon sweeps losers until final 8 at least because like if they face someone like dio or mm5 they probably are alot weaker than expected because they lost to barkley/bad girlz, and then i think he will just edge out mm5 when that drop happens in wr3

but there appeal is not like large

they are what neil was to mashup week

[prisma patio]

honestly kinda glad NN vs Madeon happened because we got the banger that is Bury Me In Cobblestone

[safe cradle]

i got the biggest i told you so moment ever when the results were coming in i wanted hugo to win but seeing the 60 - 40 it was nice to know everyone else was insane

[prisma patio]

you see now, what we now must do is we make madeon sweep all the way to grands just to annoy sansfield and make him wrong

[fiery zenith]

nn madeon rematch in grands and the same thing happens again

[safe cradle]

mad/eon is my #5

i want them to sweep

[merry wren]

alternatively we can have nn 1-2 to prove sansfield wrong

we can do it gang 🙏🏾

[prisma patio]

damn, I'm an NN Fan so I want to see them go far but damn it would be really funny so

guess I gotta make them 1-2 now

[safe cradle]

that does not prove me wrong a 2-2 losing to PD would prove me wrong

ive said NN has insane steam but once they lose it its gone i said they wont win a single round in losers

except maybe snailiens but ignore that

so if NN dies to PD then beats Snailiens you win

[merry wren]

snails can beat nn 🙏🏾

ok no I’ll take nn 1-2 over being right

[rocky bloom]

Im starting to get the impression you don’t like Netherrack Nightmares all that much

[merry wren]

the biggest win for nn is them somehow getting out of bottom 1

which like could happen

i don't see them escaping the pit though

[prisma patio]

god damn it sansfield, stop making it hard to annoy you by making you wrong

[prime matrix]

As someone who legitimately has NN over Madeon and a lot of his potential future opponents, I just really like their music and sources.

I don't even play Minecraft.

But I do like the music and the mods source goes hard as hell.

I thought that Drowned1.ogg would have made some of you guys reconsider by now.

[merry wren]

i am more open to moving nn up 1 place than i was before drowned1

[rocky bloom]

we are so Netherback

[serene walrus]

Its like i said before

NN may not have the biggest sources

But they got the trifecta of youtube pulls

Minecraft, creepypasta, modding

They're gonna go places

[rotund frost]

Dani put it perfectly here

[safe cradle]

ngl there is one nn track that is so good its making me consider moving them up to secondary above like ace/neil, but it isnt gonna be out for a looong ass time so

[rotund frost]

Feel like most people underestimate how big they are just because they have a hatebase

[safe cradle]

same happens with ROE and Farquaad

those 3 are the trifecta of liked my many disliked by a loud few

[rotund frost]

Like the active users of this server aren't the only people who are voting lol

[safe cradle]

again obviously numbers arent exact but id say only 1/3 of our voters are like people who either actively talk or read here

another 1/3 is people who either do not talk here at all or arent on the server or in the tourney community in general and the last 1/3 is people outside of discord (i call this the youtube vote even though it includes soundcloud, twitter, tumblr, it is 99% youtube tho)

[rotund frost]

Megamix Tumblr community?

[safe cradle]

we get a few tumblr voters

we had a guy who found us from tv tropes

and then they rigged

[rotund frost]

Hahaha

[safe cradle]

and now we dont allow them anymore

[rotund frost]

Wasn't there one fella who used Last Fm as their account evidence

[safe cradle]

the interaction with yosh was so fucking funny

[safe cradle]

and probably i dont remember

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953958154545283122/1129063389696626869/image.png?ex=65562d39&is=6543b839&hm=72974e08ae97cc2dc8e822703188d86bc909ab73cc9ffcc9d5b8b0e34fa31674&

tv tropes guy

[rotund frost]

LMAO 😭

Could I hypothetically for future matches link my like aoty page

[safe cradle]

yes but it would make our lives just that bit more annoying

<---- is so done

[rotund frost]

I think the funny factor balances out the difficulty

Gonna dig up some super obscure old forum that hasn't been popular for a decades

Yea here's my YTMND account that proves I'm real

Is YTMND still up?

[safe cradle]

we're just gonna check it against your email

[tropic nexus]

sure is https://resteasymatthew.ytmnd.com/

[safe cradle]

this website looks like its gonna offer me candy and then snatch me

[tropic nexus]

ytmnd is great dan you'd love it

[prisma patio]

at what point is a social media account not accepted

like I'm just going to use discord for voting on everything since @prisma patio is fast to type but theoretically could I just link my steam account or even just my fucking Roblox account to vote

[safe cradle]

yes and we have regular steam voters and probably a roblox voter at some point

the main thing is we can find you can confirm it is you

like we've said here before vote team has done some insane shit to find people like when we found someone through chinese app reviews or in a tf2 match

[prisma patio]

fuck it, I'm gonna link my Roblox account during NN vs PD

[astral schooner]

Sansfield

sorting votes right now

Jump

[Go to message!](#spoilers message)

#spoilers

[safe cradle]

avery still insane for this one

[prisma patio]

holy shit, way to go backrooms

[safe cradle]

vote sorting team is only 6 of us not all of br but thanks

[brave crag]

so glad voting team cares this much

can we get the tf2 match story

[astral schooner]

Sansfield

yosh just confirmed a guy is real by finding them in a tf2 match

Jump

[Go to message!](#spoilers message)

#spoilers

[brave crag]

actually shoutouts to this guy for just admitting it and saying sorry

gotta find the funniest but still not inconvenient voting proof for next round

[narrow pine]

It's beautiful

[tepid pine]

is this exclusively megamix takes

know what i dont care

hot take fnaf world is the best game in the series

[stark plaza]

I want Baba dead

[rocky bloom]

wtf.......

[merry wren]

that certainly is a hot take

[primal wren]

flat eric is right there and you choose to direct your violence towards baba? >:T

[lethal bough]

Flat Eric will be murdered by the state on November 29th 2026, 8:49PM EST. This is not a hot take

[dense relic]

I will stop that from happening

[feral gazelle]

What did eric do sure he committed a few crimes but he didn’t mean to

[sturdy fulcrum]

he punched a dude in the nose

hes also french

[prisma patio]

GO GO GADGET KILL FLAT ERIC

[odd tusk]

“Wrow”-

[cyan wagon]

Okay, another quick hot take. I didn't have a problem with Barkley's MW1 SL.

Hell, I'd vote for him even if he just got the Space Jam beat as his only source.

Space Jam remixes go raw.

[serene walrus]

I got some more hot takes!

So when I brought up Pogo for Club Bangers, i was told they wont be used due to their problematic views

But if thats the case, how come some people like Kanye and Mori Calliope get used despite their problematic views?

I feel like if youre gonna use SOME problematic figures, then everyone should be on the table (either that or just dont use any problematic people at all)

[fiery zenith]

I think those were very old tracks, I know the kanye one was

[serene walrus]

Fair, but how old is Roll Up, Spit Fire?

[merry imp]

I’m not big on KKB and even I agree that it’s an integral part of their DNA

[crystal whale]

Well you have to remember that’s like

Some people have the like

Art vs artists view

[junior sable]

idk why this forum is staring me in the face. but ykw. following recent events I'm gonna throw a funny one out there

a non-zero amount of dejected rick mains can take solace in knowing that there's a second character still in winners with the fabled second sex source big tourney won't tell you about: R&B

[crystal whale]

Ehhhh???

That’s kinda like saying all alt rock songs is about rebellion and depression

Plus I don’t think many Rick fans are sad that they lost Rick cause of sex but moreso his whole vibe and his genres

New wave, happy hardcore, S3RL, otaku culture are like probably the biggest sources for fans of rick it seems like

Not trying to speak for all Rick fans obviously but I wouldn’t say sex is like the big appeal and is the big reason why they’re sad, especially given not all R&B songs are about sex, and usually more about love as a whole thought that’s still not true as they are songs that aren’t about either.

[serene walrus]

has the least synergy with their own sources in the tournament

[serene walrus]

@merry wren gimme a hot take

[merry wren]

me???

[serene walrus]

Yep

[merry wren]

uhhhh

if you like music, you like heaven ascension dio

[serene walrus]

🤯

I have a hot take

peaked in WR1

Their intro, The End is Niigh, Walking on Water, rode here on the vine; all very much peak

Recently they've been exploring other sounds and while thats good for a variety of reasons, i liked what they were doing at the start the most

[vale idol]

Just found this forum and this screencap is insanely funny

[vale idol]

Anyway for some miscellaneous Hot Takes uhhhh

• asfmovie80 is overrated as fuck
• I don't like Huey Lewis & The News on Heavy
• Disney TV isn't bad but it's pretty easily the weakest of the TV Channel Sources and I think you'd struggle to argue that it isn't
• Whilst I think Hat Kid pivoting to a mainly Platformer usage direction in LR2M4 was the right call, I don't want the team to overcorrect and ditch Electro Swing entirely cuz it is still part of her kit and I still want it pulled
• I don't mind the broadness of Well Known Producers because Megamix already takes a lot of liberties with how pulls connect to Sources and it isn't a major focus for Gustavo compared to BTR, BoyBands and Nick
• I'd prefer Solo Billie and Solo Kesha being seperate compared to Bad Girlz cuz I feel like they have more interesting buff potential on their own
• I would like Megamix more if Ruler wasn't in it for multiple reasons and I think it should've been a different stop motion rep in their place, their existence causes multiple problems that Megamix would be better without
• A lot of characters in Megamix thrive specifically because they're in Megamix and wouldn't be nearly as good in another environment
• "Character Vibes" are a nuanced thing and a character having multiple vibes or just one focused vibe isn't something that should be applied to everyone, it should be a more case by case basis. Some characters (ScatHat, Elliana) are fine with multiple vibes whilst others (Reanimtedd) could definitely benefit from a single vibe to focus them better
• There are some characters who lack flavour sources who I don't think need them (I could go on a whole ass tirade about the treatment of flavour sources but that pertains more to the audience than actual Megamix)
• Specifically in Megamix, when it comes to judging characters, Source Lists don't matter as much to me compared to Track Quality and Usage, especially considering Megamix takes liberties with source pulls a lot and characters with small SLs have still been able to shine

Wonder if I'll make any enemies with these

[serene walrus]

LMAO

[serene walrus]

I dont understand the issue with Ruler

Like, why does ruler have such a strong hatebase
It cant be purely because he has a strong youtube audience, because would have a strong hatebase too

[merry wren]

and tbf dio is rather controversial here

[serene walrus]

Really????

I havent seen much strong hate for him

[merry wren]

there is not a single match he has won by taking activecord

[vale idol]

I don't think DIO has a hatebase or is super controversial I just think the dislikers are a vocal minority

And he isn't quite as popular in Maincord as other characters on the more popular side

But I wouldn't say he has a hatebase or anything

[vale idol]

tl;dr thoughts on Ruler

• Represents a controversial, problematic artist that brings quite frankly unneeded flack towards Megamix for it's inclusion
• Brings in a lot of voters who only vote for them and no one else. I won't say Ruler is the only character who does this, that isn't true, but they suffer from it the most and the effect in votes they get from it is the most significant
• Lesser thing but their two flavours are flavours that I want on other characters more. Royalty on Farquaad and Time on DIO please, Ruler stops either of those from being a thing

[serene walrus]

Fuck it, im gonna steal Joe Mama's setup

is the most overrated contestant ive seen in a tournament
Remix Week has done permanent damage to
The hiatus played a role in ' runaway success
is the only contestant who i prefer solo over duals
Its funny how got a tiny ass buff, but one of the strongest contestants in megamix for me
Tracks with less sources i prefer vastly over tracks with 25+ sources

[vale idol]

Snailiens are straight up the smallest SL in Megamix and yeah they're like. I think conceptually MTT Tour is worse but in terms of what they actually got compared to MWC, Snails is the worst

They got a single flavour source

And yet they're peak and make consistent bangers

[serene walrus]

I DONT GET IT
HOW ARE THEY SO PEAK WITH SUCH A SMALL SOURCE LIST

[crystal whale]

I wish it was more socially acceptable for heavy to randomly reference Russian dishes or just food in general

https://tenor.com/view/friend-too-woke-stan-twt-that-one-friend-that's-too-woke-woke-friend-tiktok-gif-14068475383577544391

[serene walrus]

Hold up, youre cooking

[crystal whale]

Thank you thank you

[serene walrus]

There will Never Ever™ be another contestant like

I sorely wish there were more, buts thats never happening

[junior sable]

the funny thing about hot takes is that sometimes they wind up in the middle ground. related, scrolled up a bit and i think i should put out my two cents

neil cipher does a perfectly serviceable job as a character, as do all contestants. unfortunately his balancing suffers from being built on reasoning that falls apart as soon as the tournament's audience grows At All

[serene walrus]

Do YOU have a hot take?

[junior sable]

elaborating: i don't think that, in a vacuum, neil cipher has any serious sourcelist inhibitions. there are things he could theoretically have and doesn't, but i think anyone saying he's "undercooked" or "unfinished" are just Incorrect. neil does perfectly well with what he has

however. what i will concede is that the reason he has a comparatively smaller kit doesn't really hold up in modern day imo. mwc era audiences will get a lot more out of "it's Neil Mashup Week" than a newer voterbase - the YouTube audience for example - where they don't have the context for that distinction to really mean anything

tl;dr: neil cipher is good, actually. he's just also emblematic of the universal experience of "people don't really expect things to Blow Up the way they do"

[crystal whale]

On that note

• DARKIE BEING IN ANY TOURNEY THAT ISNT MWM OR ISNT CREATED WITH SOME WHO HAS WORKED WITH HIS KIT BEFORE HAND IS NOT A GOOD IDEA

• controversial artist mostly for his usage of slurs (which are connected to his foundation and is a massive part of his history and music as a whole)
• he’s a very trap focused artist with a few hints at other genres being present as well but usually over shadowed by his usage of trap
• imma be fr I know people love darkie but being realistically I think he would 0-2 even nowadays he kinda feels like one of those characters that got hyped after their loss and like a “underrated gem” which is a bit overrated nowadays.

I know this is a very like “buzz light year toys lineup” opinion of thinking darkie isn’t like great but like I think he’s cool but like he doesn’t win his matchups and only does if the people voting had the foresight of him losing or smth idk I’m just rambling

[hardy crow]

i dont understand the remix week thing about club bangers someone said earlier

[serene walrus]

I said it!
Remix Week has a decent amount of Club Bangers' harsh side, which i feel soured some's opinion of them

This is only speculation tho, nothing with concrete evidence

[hardy crow]

and not pharmacist mario??

[serene walrus]

The difference is that pharmacist mario was an outlier back then

Thats only the one song, while remix week had 2 (arguably 3)

[hardy crow]

well i cant say its not a hot take i suppose

[crystal whale]

New hot take:
despite knowing Chromakopia and don’t tap the glass are like the new albums for Tyler and make sense for them to mostly be pulled heavily moving on (until he drops other album on a random fucking month lmao) I do hope we loop back to not just his more older works (I know his wolf trilogy is bit hard to work with, especially given his current style with like the grinch side lmao) but I do hope they focus some tracks to call me if you get lost as idk felt like it wasn’t used as much as I was hoping for

Like i think that was mostly due to like the early like Igor bias that kinda plague tatg tracks (/neu) but i do hope they go around his whole career

ALSO IM SO MAD THEY DIDNT FINISH SUGAR/I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DANCE DURING LOFI TATG THAT TRACK IS SO GOOD YET RHEY ONLY DID SUGAR AND TEASED I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DANCE AHUEBANAJA

on the same note i do hope ace also explores both damon and gorillaz as a whole as they do seem a bit alt rock tied (i know cn is also a big amount of his pulls but its like his origin point its like complaining that lofi girls pulls too much lofi and not enough school lol)

mostly their new works cause dude people sleep on song machine, i know they pulled desole and aires but the pink phatom and friday the 13th feels like smth pd ace could do (this is my headcanon where they win theyre matches and meet in bracket lol)

i do like theyre usage on the now now tho,

on the topic of pd ace tho, its has to be based around plastic beach. i genuinely dont see how else the match would go, empire ants is begging to be pulled.

[merry wren]

i do hope like cmiygl gets used in lr3m1 given that was the arg account for mad/eon though obviously that doesn’t really match his sound

[urban root]

i feel like we’re more likely gonna get Because The Internet pulls during lr3m1 more than anything

[vale idol]

Awwwww yeah