Dune - Frank Herbert

[brave zenith]

His letters

[umbral anvil]

Or like John could've worked too lol

John and Jessica sounds too catch-phrasey tho

[brave zenith]

Yeah sounds too couple-y

[austere burrow]

Paul comes from the Latin Paulus which means small or humble

[austere burrow]

Hey everyone just checking in if we need an extension

[umbral anvil]

Maybeeee

I’m 500 pages out of 700 something pages in

[austere burrow]

Ok I’ll go ahead and do two weeks

[shadow salmon]

Ongoing BuddyRead

Dune - Frank Herbert

Description

Classic scifi tale of boy meets space cocaine and becomes convinced he's Desert Jesus. Confront themes like politics, religion, funky hats and what it means to make a computer in likeness of a human mind. This book can fit so many themes. Pick your favorite Great House: brave Atreides, silly Harkonnen, cunning Corrino, scheming Bene Gesserit, then ask yourself: did I just get sorted into space Hogwarts House? Yes.

Start Date

<t:1711929600:D>

End Date

<t:1720915200:D>

Thread(s)

#1105772222666260561

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@austere burrow

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@austere burrow(0)

Interested (34)

@austere burrow,@dense atlas,@steel ore,@noble anchor,@crimson arrow,@zealous bridge,@umbral anvil,@sudden spindle,@flint lagoon,@elder storm,@muted locust,@heady turtle,@drifting karma,@dusky basin,@kindred sierra,@keen steppe,@gaunt vigil,@lusty berry,@valid tartan,@covert arrow,@slender tulip,@fast quartz,@ripe holly,@warm cedar,@modern wave

Event ID: 65f6cbfdffb18f9b8462a45e

[safe lintel]

Extended to <t:1720915200:f>

[thorn root]

Thank youu

I'm 200 pages in, but I haven't had any time to read because I'm on vacation and also getting ready to photograph for a wedding for the first time ._.

[austere burrow]

I feel you!

[dense atlas]

The art on the inside of the dust jacket is so pretty

[austere burrow]

Oh wow that’s really cool!

[thorn root]

Finally halfway, I've been so busy ;-;

So apparently in Dune lore the Atreides are extra super proud of their heritage on earth so they still have normal "ancient" names instead of sci fi ones

So there's a mix of either archaic or normal names

Like Leto or Jessica

And that kind of extends to the other characters like Gurney and Duncan

But not Yueh and Thufir because they were bred for their jobs by bigger organizations

My favorite part so far has definitely been the ||banquet scene with everyone arguing at the table|| (Part I)

[austere burrow]

True but Jessica was named that before she came to the Atreides. However, maybe she was named that on purpose to appeal to Leto’s traditional sensibilities?

[austere burrow]

For real, that’s such a good scene

[thorn root]

That's what I was thinking

[thorn root]

Presently, I have learned something about Frank Herbert by reading this much Dune

Like damn

Presently, presently, presently

Presently, I want Herbert to use a different word as a segue

[karmic nymph]

Presently, I want
Herbert to use a different
word as a segue

- amadeusbrahms

[thorn root]

Frank

Bro

We get it

You think she looks elfin

Pick a different adjective

[austere burrow]

Original manic pixie dream girl

[thorn root]

it's literally hilarious

elfin

elfin

elfin

he has NO OTHER ADJECTIVES

at all

Like, i do enjoy the book so far (I have maybe 100 pages left)

but damn, Frank was a weird guy

[brave zenith]

but how else are we supposed to know she’s thin and pretty !!!

[lethal sorrel]

I’m planning on picking this up over the weekend!

[umbral anvil]

Only two hundred pages of actual book left and then the appendixes lol

[austere burrow]

You’re gonna read the appendices?

[umbral anvil]

No

[austere burrow]

Don’t do it, it’s so dry and not necessary

[thorn root]

I wanna see what goes through Herbert's weird little mind though

[austere burrow]

Then do it, ain’t nobody the boss of you!

[brave zenith]

What goes through his mind? Mushrooms probably

[umbral anvil]

Nothing cuz he’s dead

[austere burrow]

Dang

[thorn root]

Just finished the book!

[thorn root]

Honestly, I really enjoyed it and a lot of the characters are really cool. The Fremen seem kind of derivative though, and for most of Paul's time in the novel, he either seemed like a little shit to me or a sort of empty character that I could empathize with but not on any significant level. I feel like in Messiah he might be a little better, or at least I hope so. My favorite characters were definitely Halleck, Duncan Idaho, and Hawat; they were a lot easier to empathize with than Leto, Paul, or Jessica, who seemed pretty emotionless a lot of the time. The story was pretty gucci but it dragged near the middle of the book. ||Showing us the raids on the Harkonnen camps or the outposts outside Arrakeen, or action sequences in Arrakeen, or a sequence of the raid on the Sietch with Alia and Leto, showing us what happened to Rabban, ANY of those would've been awesome and would've added more action and tension instead of the present monotony. The more I think about it, they REALLY did Rabban dirty. I saw that apparently Halleck fights him in the movie, and that would've been actually cool and a good conclusion. Herbert spent the whole ass book hyping up "The Beast Rabban," only for him to DIE AMBIGUOUSLY WITH NO DESCRIPTION AT ALL.|| (Spoilers for the book and minor spoilers for the Dune: Part Two movie)

[umbral anvil]

75 percent in

100 pages of book until appendices

Minor movie part one and two spoilers: ||I hate how the movies completely got rid of so many of the harkonnen scenes and switched up how they look so much Especially how Hawat was entirely forgotten and got like two scenes in Part One and was never spoken of again.||

||I like Alia, but she’s also a bit of a freak She’s creepy. I feel like later on in the series she’ll be very powerful and evil||

[umbral anvil]

77 percent

I’m a liar

I have a hundred twenty pages left until appendices LOL

[karmic nymph]

I have a hundred
twenty pages left until
appendices LOL

- mewhenilie_901

[umbral anvil]

Anyways

||Paul getting kinky with sardaukar submission ||

[austere burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spraying-disinfect-lilo-and-stitch-lilo-stitch-gif-16694753

Oh I found a dune meme today

[umbral anvil]

HELP????

[austere burrow]

How can I help?

[umbral anvil]

WHY IS THE OTHER TWO HORNY

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS IS DUNE

NOT FIFTY SHADES OF SPICE

[austere burrow]

I mean technically they’re all horny in a weird way, Heretics and Chapterhouse is just more horny in a BG way

No I will not elaborate

[umbral anvil]

I find it weird how (Dune spoilers for like whole book) ||Paul and Chani have a child SO YOUNG!!! Like they were probs FIFTEEN WHEN THEY HAD SEX AND THEN BABY||

[austere burrow]

According to wiki ||he was 17 by the start of Part 3. We don’t know how old Chani is||

[thorn root]

What

[thorn root]

Beware the adult beefswelling lmao

[umbral anvil]

FINISHED

[umbral anvil]

[thorn root]

Nice

[umbral anvil]

Okok

So

The ending is my fav ever

Alia is the goat

[austere burrow]

Fr

[thorn root]

Idk i did have problems with it

But it was pretty good

[lethal sorrel]

Starting this today! Just decided to jump on the train because I’m not sure I’d ever get around to reading this series if I’m left to my own devices

⏳Nope, first time! I know nothing about the book except that it’s fantasy/sci-fi I think? I’m going in completely blind

🪱 I’m not sure I’d be flying through… I’ve heard of it being kinda dense plus I believe the world building will take me some time to get

(You’ve done amazing doing this announcement post! If there’s anyone who needs a coaching session it’d be me )

[austere burrow]

lol you responded to the old old announcement but that’s ok

[lethal sorrel]

Lmaoooo no wayyy

I just checked the pins for questions and just went all the way up

Didn’t know this had been a BR before! I should’ve checked the dates

[austere burrow]

No worries, it happens

[lethal sorrel]

Idk if listening to the audiobook was a good idea for this one
I’m like 6 chapters in, really liking ||the way it’s written but the names and world building feels a tiny bit confusing and maybe I’ll just have to wait for it to make more sense? Also, certain words I feel to be taken from certain languages… are they supposed to be like totally new vocabulary or like the original language’s meaning could still imply? ||

[austere burrow]

No the language is borrowed from a lot of other languages, but the main one is Chkobsa. There’s a glossary at the end of most of the books, but if you don’t have one I pinned a couple

Back in the olden days, scifi writers were like: nice culture you have there. Sure would be a shame if someone stole it to make their white savior/colonialism universe seem more real.

Nowadays only fantasy writers do that

[lethal sorrel]

Thanks Tink! I’ll check it out
I found a lot of Arabic so far actually so was wondering if the use was intentional and adds meaning or just like ‘sounds cool’ kinda thing

[austere burrow]

I think a bit of both

But yeah, he mashes up a lot of cultures, and esp religions

[lethal sorrel]

So far we have ||Paul and fam on the good guys side and the Harrakens (I think) are the bad guys and they’ve some plan on sabotaging and like they’ve got some book kinda something handed over to Paul somehow that might possibly play a role in the sabotaging plan? Post-work brain is a mess so I hope I haven’t gotten it all wrong or something ||
I think I’ll get the ebook and check out all pins as well

[austere burrow]

You’re on the right track

[dense atlas]

can we get a 1-2 week extension

[austere burrow]

Sure but fair warning this will be the last one, since we already did a two week extension

[dense atlas]

[shadow salmon]

Ongoing BuddyRead

Dune - Frank Herbert

Description

Classic scifi tale of boy meets space cocaine and becomes convinced he's Desert Jesus. Confront themes like politics, religion, funky hats and what it means to make a computer in likeness of a human mind. This book can fit so many themes. Pick your favorite Great House: brave Atreides, silly Harkonnen, cunning Corrino, scheming Bene Gesserit, then ask yourself: did I just get sorted into space Hogwarts House? Yes.

Start Date

<t:1711929600:D>

End Date

<t:1722038400:D>

Thread(s)

#1105772222666260561

Requested By

@austere burrow

Leader(s)

@austere burrow(0)

Interested (34)

@austere burrow,@dense atlas,@steel ore,@noble anchor,@crimson arrow,@zealous bridge,@umbral anvil,@sudden spindle,@flint lagoon,@elder storm,@muted locust,@heady turtle,@drifting karma,@dusky basin,@kindred sierra,@keen steppe,@gaunt vigil,@lusty berry,@valid tartan,@covert arrow,@fast quartz,@ripe holly,@warm cedar,@modern wave,@crisp elk

Event ID: 65f6cbfdffb18f9b8462a45e

[nova hull]

BR Extended!
BR Duration: <t:1711929600:D> - <t:1722038400:D>

[austere burrow]

Thank you!

[thorn root]

@austere burrow were you planning on doing Dune: Messiah as a BR after this?

[heady turtle]

There’s one going on rn lol

[thorn root]

There is?

Where

Am blind

[heady turtle]

https://discord.com/channels/811077227449286667/1243480370985435196

[thorn root]

Thank

[heady turtle]

#buddy-reads message

Here’s a link to the actual ‘Join BR’ too

[thorn root]

Thank extra much

[austere burrow]

Ctrl alt picking up the slack in my absence

[lethal sorrel]

I've just started Book 2! It definitely takes a while to get used to the world-building but I'm enjoying the classic adventure sort of feel so far. The writing's really nice too! ||I like how well-rounded some of the characters seem to be like Duke Leto and Lady Jessica, the way they're both embodying their roles as parents and also as integral parts of society. Even the presentation of the Duke while drugged and like on the brink of death, his emotional state and everything expressed... Paul's overwhelming emotions to everything he's coming to be, Jessica's response like it's all so quite realistic! ||I do have some annotations up until 40% of the book but I'm not sure if I'd get around to posting them here.

[austere burrow]

BR is still going on, but wanted to do a quick check in

Finish: jnix, Scarlatte, thelastpage, Apostle, chocobo, Vetrina, seapotato, Zander, tink, Amadeus, KninePeaEmm, ctrl+altmer+del

Still reading? @kindred sierra @ripe holly @lethal sorrel @muted locust
Started but so far haven't seen any discussion: @nova hull @hearty quail @dense atlas @sterile adder If you do read, please make sure to comment your thoughts so we can give you points
DNF: Divisha (think they left the server), iggy, Jana, coffee

Haven't heard from anyone else, so if you are reading please let me know

If I missed anything please let me know!

[nova hull]

i actually forgot about this server until now 💀

i finished dune weeks ago btw

reading the iliad and the odyssey rn

[heady turtle]

I finished awhile ago, but I don’t think i actually said I finished it 💀

[austere burrow]

Awesome! Please make sure ot add some discussion comments if you want to get points

[austere burrow]

Ok, no worries. You did contribue to discussion, so I think we can add points. What did you think of it?

[nova hull]

sand

just

sand

[austere burrow]

Ok that's not enough for points, but no worries. Glad you enjoyed reading it!

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-like-sand-star-wars-i-dont-like-sand-gif-15851243

[heady turtle]

WAIT NO I DID SAY SOMETHING

[austere burrow]

Oh my bad. Thank you for linking to it!

[ripe holly]

I don’t think I’ll finish

Busy times! And more focused on my offline book club reads

[austere burrow]

Ok no worries

[gaunt vigil]

I'm going to DNF the book too

[austere burrow]

Ok thanks for letting me know

[hearty quail]

i don’t think i’m going to be able to finish it at this time. i got stuck on Leto’s POV and i just cannot. 😩

[lethal sorrel]

I'm almost through! 80% in now
Don't have many thoughts to add rn but will do when I'm done tmr

[austere burrow]

No worries, it’s tough to keep track of chapters too

[thorn root]

Would've been cool if we added chapter numbers or something FRANK

[austere burrow]

lol

[dense atlas]

if i didnt pay way to much for this edition i would add them myself
i did that with last house on needless street

[austere burrow]

I used sticky notes with the numbers

[lethal sorrel]

I’m done! Will share thoughts after work today

[austere burrow]

One day left @everyone

Also if anyone is interested, we need one more reader to signup for Children of Dune to make it official: #br-requests message

If anyone is still reading and just needs a day or two, let me know

[thorn root]

Thanks for hosting this BR :> looking forward to the other two books in the trilogy

[dense atlas]

I'm still reading and will make sure to finish in the next 48 hours

[austere burrow]

Yay!!!

[lethal sorrel]

It’s the weekend soon and I shall have some more time to share my annotations then, but I can share my final thoughts on the book later tonight as I just need to type them out from my reading journal

[lethal sorrel]

Typing this out here and Idk how what I’ve written down feels so generic. 
I think part of the reason might be that I wrote my thoughts in my journal planning to use the same for my GR review and then like changed my mind while writing or something


anyhoo, my final thoughts:

||
I really enjoyed the book, though I found it a bit hard to get into at first. It felt like there was no traditional world-building like we're just thrown into this complex world without much explanation and have to figure things out along the way. I ended up not using the glossaries because I kinda got hooked in despite my confusion and things just started falling into place. To me, the plot seemed condensed and simplistic in some ways, but like it didn’t feel that way at all cuz there’s so much happening despite it not being too much? If that makes sense?

I found some parts quite funny, especially with Paul acting all high and mighty like this all too powerful being who’s barely got himself reigned in. But also like that bit where Jessica intentionally passes that comment off to deter him from not being okay with killing a person and other instances like those were amazing. Like I feel like the representation of a mother battling her internal emotions was done so well with her feeling terrible seeing her son kill while also having an understanding of Fremen culture like she understands that Paul’s not in here for anything easy and there’s this moral complexity, and like she worries about the psychological toll this life will take on him and all that and then Paul’s reaction to her comment too like he’s just a kid at the end. Like he could be shitty and arrogant but imagining teens, and the fact that he knows so much and stuff, I get it. 

The frequent shifts in POV were interesting and I felt like they gave the story a comprehensive and complete feel. ||

||I liked the way most characters were written I should say. Like most felt quite complex... like Gurney for instance the moment when he reunites with Paul, not realizing he’s alive and initially mistrusting him, I feel it all adds a lot of emotional depth to the story.

I didn't expect Paul to get into a political marriage with Princess Irulan, especially after his deep connection with Chani and like them losing a CHILD just a couple chapters before. I mean yes it's a political thing but yeah. Also, Jessica's disapproval of Chani felt very realistically portrayed, adding depth to the story. I liked Alia and really looking forward to seeing more of her in the other books.

I think I also appreciated the exploration of the mother-son relationship like it's not so often where the 'chosen one' has a mother figure to guide or rely on or even exist in the same timeline. Anyhooo, this was a 4 star read for me! ||

Thanks for hosting, Kit!

[austere burrow]

Thanks for adding your final thoughts, I agree so much with what you’ve written here!

[dense atlas]

sorry Tink you should do the br point without me
i have been a little sick so i havent really had the energy to read lately unfortuanly