💬│palia-discussions

[tribal field]

Wedding decor and kitsuu, take my money

[west marlin]

The mini blog is great tho

They addressed some stuff we complain about frequently I hope they keep it up.

[scarlet hazel]

"fresh decor tints"

Wanna bet they're busted and need another patch to be fixed?

[warm python]

time to squint at this

[hollow crescent]

gosh i hope not

[copper warren]

the wedding decor actually makes me happy, since that kind of style fits the opulence i prefer in my builds.

[modest merlin]

we expect to ship Elderwood in early 2025

• 8/9/2024

We’re tracking toward a Q2 release

• 1/22/2025

I see this as an official statement that Elderwoods is being pushed back

[scarlet hazel]

And the new loyalty club is to throw money at it and get barely any reward lol

[lethal tendon]

the loyalty club makes me uneasy idk why , feels really off

[raven orbit]

I'm glad they're thinking about adding earnable stuff...though I didn't see anything about clothing which is the main thing people want...hmm

Also no accessibility...again

[dry crescent]

Such interesting timing of that news ping.

[marsh depot]

Not surprised in the slightest honestly

[copper warren]

yes, VERY early, you see. it's earlier than new years eve 2025!

[dry swift]

Just a way to rope people who were on the fence about Palia coins to buy Palia coins 🤷 It's not really a loyalty club but more of a way to get "discounted" coins at a slow trickle.

[dry crescent]

Still not playing anymore, too little too late.

[umbral lynx]

nanaa guys dont worry you get a snail we dont actually care about cas ya know plushies

[scarlet hazel]

I can't wait to see the fire the loyalty club will bring

[west marlin]

Yeah I don't see the appeal but if you're logging on every day I guess it could be nice

[warm python]

Loyalty club seems a bit similar to one of the things Infinity Nikki does with getting more diamonds except I actually threw $5 for the Nikki one because I felt good that the game let me earn things too

[tribal field]

Genuine question: for people who are just really upset at S6 for everything they do, why do yall still come here or play the game? Maybe it’s just how my brain works but if I hate everything a company does I don’t tend to stick around 😳

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah. I bet you still gotta spend money for em maybe or it's a really tiny amount that it's not worth saving up

[dry swift]

Yep. Turns out all you have to do to get any suggestions into the game is to put a dollar sign next to them. This game is cooked.

[marsh depot]

Do they even know what customer loyalty means though? Cause they surely don't know how to earn or retain that aside from just... making people buy more stuff.

[steel trench]

You can criticize their methods and still enjoy the overall scope of the game.

[tribal field]

True!

[scarlet hazel]

I'm just here for the tea that goes on now. Too tired of talking to brick walls now

[hollow crescent]

fr thought it was gonna be like a points card, log in x days and get a coin or few towards the store, that way free players could work towards that

[umbral lynx]

basically that
we dont hate it just people assume it

[marsh depot]

Honestly same.

[dry swift]

I come here hoping that S6 will do the right thing for once, but I'm always sorely disappointed. I want to give Palia another chance but they just won't give me a reason to.

[tribal field]

I think my brain is just wired to be like. If I am upset this much over a thing I just get rid of thing.

[raven orbit]

Most of us have been playing since beta or alpha. We like the game, and want it to be better. Critic helps do that. Especially when it comes to things like accessibility which the game is not delivering on. I have over 1000 hours in my favorite game and I have critic of it. It's important to engage critically with things we like :o) /gen

[copper warren]

it's also one of the known dark patterns of microtransactions: get a lumpsum up front and a set amount of days to acquire the rest across. if you don't log in one of those days, you lose money, effectively. it forces you to log in every day to get the coins, and punishes you if you forget.

[lethal tendon]

I critiques games I like because I want them to get better

[warm python]

I'm confused about the stickers, what do they actually do that shows expression of one's self? like do you get a sticker slapped on the back of your head or something

[west marlin]

Maybe something you can see by clicking on someone?

[tribal field]

Ty for yalls input and helping me understand!!

[umbral lynx]

snowballs 2: sticker boogaloo

[raven orbit]

I think it's like emotes that will show when you select them? Like the sticker emotes in Fortnite?? That's what I'm thinking at least

[hollow crescent]

i feel like it’ll be at the end of the nameplate?

[marsh depot]

Basically because a portion of us genuinely had high hopes for the game and are either waiting/hoping for an improvement or just watching the whole thing unfold.

[livid lagoon]

I'll just say, the funniest thing I've read so far in this update blog is a header:
"Leveling-Up Communication"

[marsh depot]

Is the communication in the room with us?

[hidden trail]

Stickers lmao OK

[dry swift]

Reading through that paragraph felt like it was a nothing sandwich.

[copper warren]

also adding in that if everyone who doesn't like the game in its current state leaves, all that would leave behind are the people who have mostly only good things to say about it. only hearing good things doesn't lend very constructively to development of a quality product.

[raven orbit]

I do wonder why they went that direction instead of opening dialogue about earnable fashion. Feels like that should have been a big thing to address since it's what everyone has meant about wanting non-housing plot earnables

[warm python]

I guiess I'll have to wait and see what these stickers are before getting too pessimistic about it but

eh

[west marlin]

I think msny people like myself really wanted this ty be the game and are sticking around to support it when it does good and be critical when it doesn't. And id say based on the Dev blog that sort of critical feedback does make a difference (finally)

[hidden trail]

Do the communicators over there know how many times they've acknowledged their lackluster communication and failed to actually improve?

[limpid root]

The name "Zeki's Loyalty Club" gives me the ick. Reading like once again they only care if you pay. 😓

[livid lagoon]

We get a single new tint out of the millions they already have ready by the way in 0.189

[steel trench]

Tbh ive been on break from this game for a while and only really plan to come back when theres enough change such as that for elderwood. The development has been a bit too slow to keep me logging in. But i like checking in now and then to see updates. I feel like there needs to more basic in game rewards and unlockables as far as cosmetics go, so im glad they are working on that.

[somber crag]

I think the "Leveling-Up Communication" wasn't them saying that their comms are great. It was more that they recognize it's bad and are determined to improve it, which is what we waaant.

[warm python]

I see some good talk in the blog but until they put their money where their mouth is I'm not gonna praise in advance, been burned too many times lmao

[west marlin]

Yeah that's how I took it, and really appreciate they spoke about it

[umbral lynx]

an additional furniture tint.... AN

[raven orbit]

Palia was literally everything I wanted when it was first announced. A casual MMO to play with friends. Then I played the beta and it was nothing like promised. I decided to stick around to see if things would get better, so far it hasn't (specifically in regard to accessibility and also the fact that there's nothing multiplayer aside from hotpot)

[warm python]

also huh I thought they laid off the composer, unless this song was done earlier/contracted/diff person

[livid lagoon]

Oh yeah, I didn't take it as them saying it was great. I took it as an acknowledgement they need to improve... I just find it funny right after the seeming delays for this patch with radio silence.

[dry swift]

Instead of having a brick wall for you to bring your feedback and concerns to, we're upgrading our communications by putting wallpaper on it! You're welcome. Please buy Palia Coins!

[somber crag]

I was glad to see them acknowledge that they've messed up comms in the past, tbh. Didn't expect that in a dev blog.

[hidden trail]

I know... And I want to see that happen but we've also heard this song before, several times.

[raven orbit]

It might have been outsourced. I know they've been outsourcing art, at least they were when the wolf outfit came out

[marsh depot]

It's good they've admitted it, but only time will tell if they actually take action.

[somber crag]

I guess I'm also in the miniority that doesn't view Elderwoods coming in Q2 as a major pushback. I think they purposefully kept it vague by saying "early 2025", 'cause that can mean a lot of things. That's like... very far down on the totem pole for me and my concerns, personally.

[slow sand]

I love Palia, but I will say it's been a couple months since I played because of the lack of new actual content. I don't mind them adding more into premium shop, but I will play again as soon as Elderwood drops. 👀

[somber crag]

Oh trust me, I know.

[warm python]

Yeah, I'll save my praise when they actually show they're improving instead of saying they'll improve

[warm python]

Oh yeah they've been outsourcing since the beginning from what I recall, which obv is normal in the industry but yeah

I'm trying to remember re: the composer and can't quite keep track anymore LOL

[marsh depot]

Same honestly. I'd even rather they focused on fixing the ongoing bugs even if it means pushing back Elderwoods.

[copper warren]

i DO like that they're mentioning that they absolutely screwed up showing off stuff they didn't intend to in older teasers, and not doing it in a flippant way.

[raven orbit]

Honestly, they can push Elderwoods as far back as they want. If I recall they wanted Elderwoods to launch the game out of 'beta' or they wanted it to come after. I don't think the game is even close enough for that, so pushing things back would be great.

[dry swift]

So, if S6 is allegedly outsourcing their music, what else about Elderwoods is being outsourced?

[warm python]

I mean I have no idea re: the music like I said I'm going off of vague memories, I could absolutely be mixing up who got laid off and who didn't because there were so many

[hollow crescent]

i mean it’s a game i’m sure some others have things outsourced

[umbral lynx]

i know GFactory did alot for palia (no joke check their artstation)

[copper warren]

outsourcing isn't inherently bad; if what they get ends up being good quality and something that the current team otherwise is incapable of doing, i would say it's a better decision than having someone unqualified to make the thing

[polar crown]

Only one new furniture tint is disappointing but also at least it's more than zero. And it sucks that that's where we're at rn, "at least it's more than nothing" is the bar

[lethal tendon]

I still feel off about zekis loyalty thing, and idk what it is but it feels bad ?

[copper warren]

#💬│palia-discussions message i explained it here; TL;DR it's a very tried and true dark pattern

[vivid oar]

Hm what do you guys think stickers will be? :O Like cgat emotes? Maybe we can finally send letters to each other and use stickers in them =_= Im so curious about that, Im a little hussy for stickers

[umbral lynx]

its just a bait to get people to spend on the store without really adding anything and forcing you to waste time logging in once a day
which wouldnt be so bad if the store stuff wasnt bugging and clipped and over priced heck store items broke the game and they never stopped selling them

[brisk spruce]

it's the same composer. they probably laid them off as a regular employee and changed them to a contracted position.

[sly mortar]

Outsourcing is one of the most common things games, shows, movies, p much any creative industry does lol. I'm not surprised at all, especially considering they hire around the US and Quebec too

[hearty wind]

any chance that cosmetics will ever be broken down to individual items? there are parts i want, like hats/tops when i don't want the full outfit ;o;

[warm python]

That's my guess yeah since there just isn't enough new content to warrant an on staff composer anymore, I suppose

[old dirge]

music being outsourced, contracted, bought from a vendor makes sense - not every studio will have an in house symphony, band, or even composer since they'd have nothing to do most of the time

[raven orbit]

I don't mind the loyalty thing. I just hope they don't use it as crutch to avoid addressing the core issues that people have with the cash shop. Price was just one of many.

[copper warren]

if they wanted ways to 'earn' coins, they could add some weeklies that give a small sum of free ones. even niantic as stingy as they are let you get 50 free coin currency per day

[past timber]

Another patch that's not worth picking the game back up for

[brisk spruce]

Steffen Schmidt has been their composer for a long time just btw. the youtube link in the blog even links to his own page with some of the other songs he's uploaded

[polar crown]

I don't mind the zeki loyalty thing bc it genuinely seems like it's going to be more consumer friendly for the players who WANT to spend or were already spending. players who are f2p on principle are still going to remain f2p no matter what since that's what f2p's do in other games

[copper warren]

it's their only monetization, yeah. it sucks that this is the model they went with and deliver things that only very specific people want

[hexed cloak]

I feel like it could work if it's cleverly limited so it ends up being more like a discount than getting something completely for free

[copper warren]

there's maybe only 1 or 2 outfit parts i want, and i don't want to spend so much on a part of a whole set

[fiery perch]

I'm not sure how to feel.

I get what they were going for in regards to the ZLC thing, with daily rewards. And technically, yeah, it's a nice deal in the grand scheme of things. And I know other games have this...

But, I'm going to mention Star Rail. They have something similar. you get 300 crystals or whatever theyre called lol, [that most turn into jades], and 90 jades per day. thats about 2700 jades, plus 300 crystals, but let's go with 2700, just in case someone keeps those 300. With that 2700, you can still do about 16 pulls. Which imo isnt awful. Full value is somewhere in the 40 usd mark.

But with Palia, after 30 days... you get what, barely enough for one outfit? That seems very off to me. spend 5usd, get value that's a bit less than 15 usd. It feels a bit offputting for me. I'm glad they are at least trying to make it cheaper for some folks, but the value still seems off. I know they also mentioned rotating deals, but... i dont know.

[foggy hare]

The loyalty club is a great idea. The prices of the cosmetics are way too much for me. So I have never spent money on this game. But if I could combine getting 3x more coins with a sale, I would def consider buying some coins and supporting this game.

[warm python]

It really is a shame that the view is that the game will implode and fold if we get like, a single earnable hat, but

[fiery perch]

That isn't my point, though.

[hexed cloak]

Also one thing to keep in mind is that there will be new sales every week

[raven orbit]

Honestly I think they really underestimate the amount of people who aren't buying cash shop stuff because there's no earnables.

[polar crown]

oh there absolutely should be earnable wearable cosmetics. idk why they said they'll never do them, doesn't make any sense to me from a design standpoint

[fiery perch]

My point is that the value doesn't seem right. Again, glad theyre trying to put in something. But it still feels weird to me, esp when Star Rail, which is a gacha game, has something similar but is better value.

[dry swift]

I'm glad we can discuss these issues, but I think I've had my fill for today and I'm exhausted. Have a great night everyone! Be kind!

[marsh depot]

If its similar to Nikki's (which is what this feels the most inspired after), it's a one time.

[crystal lagoon]

IMO Palia is so focused on pushing out outfits since they laid off the however many people but at some point you have to bite the bullet and put out content or no one is going to keep buying your extremely overpriced costumes with no content to explore them in

[fiery perch]

It's a start, but yeah. It's a conflicting feeling, bc like. On one hand, glad theyre trying. on the other, value seems strange.

[copper warren]

i suppose these loyalty clubs are best suited for players in countries with extremely weak currencies. it's probably a big life saver for them, specifically, but i don't know if the game is compelling enough for those players to be paying even that much

[warm python]

They think the company will fold if they do but, meh

[hexed cloak]

"once every month or so"

[raven orbit]

This was their response on their Reddit AMA in August 2023 when someone asked about free cosmetics "Keeping cosmetics paid is how we plan on supporting Palia financially, and until we learn a lot more about how that’s working we can’t commit to more free outfits."

I feel like two years is enough time to have learnt how it's working, but maybe that's just me

[copper warren]

yeah, that's how they typically work

[crystal lagoon]

Well people are still purchasing and they're not putting out anything new so why stress?

[lyric night]

I get ur point
but its not rly comparable bcs those 40 usd u get in currency are worth absolutely nothing in a gacha game

[warm python]

Two years, mass layoffs, and a buyout.... but

[fallow saffron]

I’m still going thru everything, but is it required for players to log in daily? /gen

[copper warren]

if you want all rewards, yes

[hexed cloak]

1325
425+30*30

[wooden granite]

The loyalty thing feels like a sub and honestly, I'm ok with that considering it's cheaper than my WoW sub

[marsh depot]

I'd much rather they did regional pricing or lowered the prices altogether. It's a start sure, but I'm still conflicted on it because this really doubles down that they most likely won't implement any sort of earnable cosmetics. Not to mention it's probably only good enough for 1 or 2 outfits or tool pack at most.

[fallow saffron]

I mean, I don’t but thank you for answering! /gen

[lyric night]

yeah nvm I'm a bit tired lol
ty rogue

[raven orbit]

Oh, for sure. Not discounting that. However, the fact there's been no movement at all. Especially when it's such a big request from players

[copper warren]

yeah that's about how i feel, aha

[copper warren]

you're absolutely correct. it's just a bandaid, for sure.

[polar crown]

yeah even though that's what they said the logic behind it doesn't make any sense to me. players want to be able to earn stuff. paid players still win because their outfits still distinguish them as paid players even if there are free cosmetics. from an MMO design standpoint it just doesn't make sense to me why they took that stance and now they're too scared to go back on it bc it will make them look like hypocrites

[hybrid granite]

The overwhelming feedback I have seen is that people wanted outfits broken out into singularly purchasable items...And they just completely snubbed that in order to copy the newest gatcha game tactic?? I weep

[copper warren]

but you see, bundles save you money! :)

[limpid root]

#🌟│sixer-tracker message

[raven orbit]

A lot of the choices don't make sense, honestly. Like the lack of trading 🙃 or that there's still no multiplayer content (aside from hotpot) in a self described MMO.

[hexed cloak]

I'm in a country like that
Still spent an absolute crap ton on outfits
Excited for the loyalty club

[copper warren]

it'll be a boon to you for sure. not the absolute best case scenario, but it's something that will benefit you.

[polar crown]

this does not mean that you will earn the full value of the pack even if you don't log in. you still need to log in to claim the maximum value. which is what i think ace was asking

[fallow saffron]

I’m just now seeing this part

[fiery perch]

I disagree personally.

[raven orbit]

I've seen that. I'm still curious what games they're referencing that have been 'destroyed' by offering free earnables

[hexed cloak]

I think it might work to make me spend more than I usually do
I might pay for the loyalty club + whatever outfits I want

[limpid root]

From looking through the convo he never mentioned game names.

[fallow saffron]

Hmm I wonder if they’ll say what “a few days” is
Ty for sharing!

[copper warren]

yeahhhh :c ultimately, it's preying on people who might not log in, when instead, they could offer THAT many palia coins at that base price instead of harshly devaluing the existing prices for people who pay for the lump sum by having it exist as is.

[fallow saffron]

Are they.. gonna be stepping towards a battle pass soon

[fiery perch]

WC has loosely mentioned they have ideas for one.

[fringe dome]

lol over bug fixes , i'd imagine

[marsh depot]

It's even more ironic considering Riot did this for years and now that they've turned the tables on it, players are protesting.

[raven orbit]

Same. Literally every game I've ever played that offers free earnables has it welcomed by the playerbase, even by whales. I'm guessing the games were either small (which would explain the whole destroying thing if they already had a small playerbase/were unknown) or just don't exist

[copper warren]

some of the employees were ex-blizzard so yeah i would expect it's the next natural step. the loyalty club is a watered down version of it as is.

[raven orbit]

If they ever make it onto consoles like xbox I can almost guarantee it lol

[hexed cloak]

And potentially mobile. Mobile is a cesspool for greedy microtransactions

[mossy mica]

👀

[fallow saffron]

So this loyalty club is just
Battle Pass Lite

[fringe dome]

i fear i may never play this game again after full launch :((( eeeek

gettin worse each update i feel

[copper warren]

i'm sorry i would absolutely die from asphyxiation laughing if they ported to mobile. i can see the 5 FPS and server disconnections if you lose even one bar of service.

[fiery perch]

This: #💬│palia-discussions message

WC said it isnt currently being worked on, though. just that it has had some ideas, it looks like. unless i've misread.

[fallow saffron]

Ahh didn’t even think about this D:

[raven orbit]

It's basically fornite crew but worse value and with a time limit it seems?

[marsh depot]

Hello Keli, I see you lurking

[fiery perch]

Just not a priority, from what I understood.

[warm python]

I know WC's ex-Riot, some of the other people on the team might be too I think?

[marsh depot]

Yep, that too!

[fiery perch]

Most likely have tlaked about it to make ideas, but not like "we're going to add it right now or anytime soon", if that makes sense.

[fallow saffron]

Not me reading this while having Fortnite Crew

[raven orbit]

Same hat 🤣 crew is so worth it though will all the BP they have now

[hexed cloak]

It runs on the toaster Switch (barely but still), phones will do fine
Also it works fine over hotspot to my laptop, so I assume it's fine

[mossy mica]

Don’t mind me. I just randomly decided to open this server and saw the discussion at hand.

Inch resting

As you were. 🖤😉

[brisk spruce]

bleh so tired. can't read fast enough to keep up with this convo

[scarlet hazel]

yeah i thought youd need to pay for the loyalty club. good for the whales, bad for everyone else who doesnt have a cent

[copper warren]

yeah, just about! the only 'benefit' a battle pass would have over it is that you earn rewards based on playtime instead of making you log in daily, but they have the same predation: if you don't put in enough time, you lose value

[fallow saffron]

Yesss! You get soooo much for like $12 usd and you earn the in game currency back

[scarlet hazel]

why does it always come back to stickers? i swear, some of the games that give f2p stuff always goes back to stickers or smth

[raven orbit]

I've read a lot of them and it's so sad how often that comes up 😔

[copper warren]

i may or may not have spent too much money during the washi tape craze, but yeah, it's always stickers :)

[scarlet hazel]

i bet the stickers arent even going to be noticable unless you look closely or so flashy a lot of people arent gonna use them cause of health risk

[marsh depot]

Months ago, maybe I would've gone for it. But some of the crabby statements completely turned me off from purchasing again.

[raven orbit]

I wonder if they're just gonna be the discord emotes

[cinder temple]

Me when I am offered FOMO systems.

[patent gorge]

Now they communicate : I wonder if they internally worked on fixing bugs since none of that was communicated. I have no interest in $ or new features if they don’t fix bugs since we will continue to have more bugs in every update. Focus on the bugs that are officially a year old s6, thats what you need to do for loyal gamers not strategies away to seem like you are lowering cost because you care, it’s just a business strategy to get players especially new players to buy more . Rewards are like coupons, everyone knows people spend more when they think they save more. Money grab is what I read and acknowledgment of lack of communication that we heard before with no action showing change. KEEP the Stickers: sounds like game emojis to replace the plush idea that is getting old.

[fiery perch]

I like stickers, but i dont know what these 'stickers' are. Are they like... "Sprays" that other games have, like shooters..? /gen

[olive carbon]

[warm python]

All Iv'e been able to do is hope that they aren't basing monetization based on their experiences in completely different genres of games with completely different audiences but ehh

It feels that they haven't been basing them on what's happening in this game considering it got to the point where they needed to get bought out to survive

[fossil umbra]

every company i ever worked at and my friends and family worked at has been screwed by bad management that has no idea how things work and don't want to listen to the people who are working there... its an uphill battle for EVERY SINGLE dum issue

[limpid root]

Only other thing I could possibly think of is they are for screenshots.

[brisk spruce]

cute drawing

[copper warren]

but it must be true, it's one of their core values!

[scarlet hazel]

i cant even buy things cause im purely f2p due to financial reasons. so they completely ignored feedback and still want to line their pockets. i get that things are harder rn and all but they really keep tripping over the sidewalk here

[fiery perch]

Maybe, but it sounded like you can use it to "express yourself while out and about" and stuff, so... all i can think of are 'sprays'.

Stickers for screenshots would be really cute though!

[limpid root]

Huh. Little popups alongside emotes maybe.

[raven orbit]

I think they're going to be either icons on the end of your name, like some of the nameplates, chat emojis, or things that you can select like emotes and they'll show up for a few seconds

[vivid oar]

Oh that didnt even occure to me :O I was thinking maybe they were like a new kind of chat emote, i like ur idea better

[marsh depot]

The only thing I can think of is either Valorant stickers or Pokemon Go stickers (and those also have paid variants iirc)

[raven orbit]

I'm leaning towards the selectable popup emotes like fortnite

[cloud sluice]

anyone understand how will zeki's loyality club work btw?

[copper warren]

you pay for a small upfront lump sum, and then must log in every day to get the full value. miss a day, and you lose value.

[vivid oar]

Or maybe they are like LoL emotes you flash over your head :P

[vivid falcon]

Hey, sorry if this has been stated else where, haven't been on palia much lately, but did they do away with fishing sound effects?

[pearl wave]

im confused with this wording,

We’ve gotten a lot of requests in this space and we agree that there are not enough ways to customize in Palia outside of your housing plot if you’re not a spender, and that isn't the best for Palia.

[limpid root]

It's bugged.

[urban lily]

I'm excited for the loyalty club, I would definitely at bare minimum log in daily to get the coins, especially if it's the same price as the 425 coins to begin with.

[marsh depot]

Oh god this would actually make me laugh Imagine flexing a 9000 level cooking emote

[fiery perch]

Pay 5usd, get 425 coins via the "Zeki Loyalty Club" immediately, then you get 30 coins per day (if you login). which equals to 1325 coins by the end of 30 days.

[hexed cloak]

Pay $4.99, get 425 coins upfront, then 30 coins each day for 30 days if you log in.

[vivid falcon]

Okay, thank you for responding. 🙂

[urban lily]

$5 isn't bad for 1325 coins

[vivid oar]

Lmfao exactly!!! Cooking mastery emote first

[raven orbit]

They're adding free earnables, but not fashion like the cash shop. They're adding free stickers (we have no idea what those are yet) and thinking about doing free nameplates.

[pearl wave]

are they saying like, not enough customize = not good for palia or not spending money = not good for palia?

[hexed cloak]

But you have to wait a month to get the whole sum

[unique juniper]

I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of the loss if we don't log in for the day. I understand other games have this but it's a mobile game where it's easy to log in. I'm not always at my computer or switch to log in.

I always wanted a pass like this added and fully support a pass added but it's a gut punch if I don't log in for a day to lose it. Why can't it be retroactively claimed if we miss? People have school or work for example. This is supposed to be a cozy game not something that causes fomo.

[polar crown]

If you were already a player who spends on coins, or a player who already logs in daily anyway, it's a great option imo

[pearl wave]

ah okay

[cloud sluice]

Thank you for answers

[hexed cloak]

Yes, I'm actually excited for this

[brisk spruce]

because it's an incentive to login, unfortunately. it keeps their numbers high if people log in daily to get the full value of their pass, which looks better on their end.

[wispy lance]

Basically you can only customize your plot for free (and nameplate) because cosmetics are for cash.

[limpid root]

That's a typical gacha login thing tbh. It's to keep you logging in every day even if you do nothing.

[raven orbit]

To increase playtime metrics unfortunately. Plus anytime someone doesn't get the full value, they lose less money.

[unique juniper]

Yeah I know. I figured it's for log in metrics as most games do. It's super disappointing.

[urban lily]

It's been a hot minute since I've logged in, the loyalty pass would definitely incentivise me to log in and at least water plants and feed my worms

[vivid oar]

i dont THINK by the wording its going to be a streak, so if u miss a day u wont lose everything, just 30 coins that day but the next day u can get the next 30

[unique juniper]

Yeah I play a mobile gatcha game. But a phone is easier to log into than a computer everyday.

[hexed cloak]

Hoping for a mobile port eventually

[copper warren]

that's the dark pattern of it. logging in is good for metrics, which looks good to higher ups and investors. if you miss a day, they also don't have to give you paid currency, which means you are more likely to need to pay more in the future to make up for missed days.

[warm python]

I really just want to see them increase metrics by good content other than log-in incentives tbh

[copper warren]

i think everyone would

[raven orbit]

And accessibility so some of us can actually play the game

[marsh depot]

Yep, pretty much. I used to purchase diamond passes in Love Nikki and it was so painful missing one day of login. Though it was still somewhat better value for money.

[warm python]

god forbid

[brisk spruce]

I'll get my snowball fix one of these days

[unique juniper]

I play LADS which is infolds other game and they have WAY MORE login incentives.

[polar crown]

I recognize that it's a "manipulative" tactic meant to encourage you to log in daily, but imo there needs to be some amount of personal responsibility for players. You need to be able to look at something in the shop and go "this isn't for me" and not purchase it. If you were already logging in daily anyways, it's a good option to have. And if you weren't it's up to you not to be swindled to a certain extent (I am generally against corporate greed but I really don't think this decision is a bad one)

[copper warren]

i really strongly suggest people read up on this website and educate themselves on what a dark pattern is: https://www.deceptive.design/

[raven orbit]

Isn't it supposed to be coming in this patch for switch/everyone who it didnt get fixed for? I swear they said the fix would be

[warm python]

lmfkjashd I love that sticker

[brisk spruce]

I'll believe it when I see it

[urban lily]

I'm holding on to this game so hard TBH because it hits everything I want in a game. No combat, but can kill and catch food. Foraging. Quests. No combat. Dressing up, customizing a home. Still no combat. There aren't many games that can boast good graphics and all of the above. I love it so much and I'll be really sad if it ends up failing.

[raven orbit]

Guess I'll have to log in to see if it's still fixed for the people that the last fix worked for or if it retroactively breaks like a lot does

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[fiery perch]

thank u paliabot

[unique juniper]

I agree. I won't be buying the pass at least for now and see how it goes.

[raven orbit]

I hope they add more PVE in the elderwoods update, and hopefully some multiplayer content that isn't tied to being at one specific place at one specific time. We need more to actually do.

[urban lily]

I'm excited to have a cheaper option for more coins, and I'm excited to see what else in the store goes on sale and for how much

[copper warren]

i think everyone here would be sad if it fails. a lot of us have put in a lot of time and have strong attachments to some facet of it. i like it because if i don't wanna think for an hour, i can stand at a beach next to a random stranger, say absolutely nothing to them, and still benefit one another with fishing

[polar crown]

Yep I won't be purchasing it either bc I haven't felt the urge to log in daily in a long time. But when EW finally releases? Who knows, I'll probably be playing daily anyways and I'll be happy to have ZLC as an option if the game feels worth giving money to based on the EW content

[scarlet hazel]

i saw a pet that dug a hole and pulled something out. im not sure if that's an idle animation or if its gonna be smth actually p2w

[brisk spruce]

good advice honestly. it's better to buy things like this if you understand the tactics behind them and are okay with it in the instance where you buy it, than it is when not knowing about it in the first place.
best to make informed decisions

[marsh depot]

I would be genuinely sad if it fails but I'd know they cornered themselves into the situation.

[copper warren]

i have a lot of physical and mental health issues where some facets of this game are so low energy that i can do something for a good while in it. i went from being able to shiny hunt every day in many pokemon games last year (caught 757 shinies! almost done with my all forms livingdex, too) to barely being able to even pick up a game console. the switch is too heavy for me. my phone is too heavy for me even with assistive devices. they both hurt a ton. but i have an upright, lightweight mouse and can fish and decorate for a few hours before pain sets in. in this way, palia is a good game for me, and so it failing in this way is incredibly devastating when it's one of the very few games i can play without pain. (or having to talk to others; that's a whole other beast)

[red comet]

Can't you play with it docked? Or do you have a switch lite

[copper warren]

pro controller is too heavy, too.

to put my condition lightly, i can gently graze my hands with a breeze and it hurts.

[polar crown]

Also worth addressing the reason gacha games use daily login incentives is because they have lots of daily avenues to get you to spend money with things like energy or other time-gated stuff that they make you pay to bypass. But you can't pay to bypass any of the time-gated mechanics in Palia. So the only thing I can think of as an incentive to get players to log in daily is to keep them looking at the outfits in the premium shop. But they don't really release those fast enough that a daily log in would change anything.

Now combine a daily log-in incentive with a weekly rotating discount and I can see the dots starting to connect.

[raven orbit]

I sympathize. I was playing Palia for hours a day until all the content I had left required fishing which I can't do because of my disability and the pain the movement required for fishing causes. It's horrible when something you love becomes something you can't engage with the same way you could before

[thick wagon]

the kitsuu is cute.... but its probolly gonna be real expensive just like the other pets.. ;-;

[fiery perch]

I'm just wanting to say that I can understand, at least a little, of what you mean and are coming from. I have been dealing with similar with my hands and wrists- so, some stuff i used to do in the game..., I just can't anymore for similar reasons.

Just saying, you're not alone, and I can sympathize. Biggest of hugs.

[cinder temple]

That's where I'm at. That and the fact that the game often encounters fatal glitches that make it impossible to play as has happened multiple times over the past few years. So what's the recourse when this happens to someone who paid for this new system and can't log in through no fault of their own? I also squint at the thought of someone missing a day and falling short of the price of an outfit they want by a tiny sniff but having to pay for a full denomination of coins to purchase the cosmetic.

It just feels designed to created fomo and manipulate folks toward additional/unintentional spending by never fully providing what you need. "Well, it's only five more dollars. . ."

[patent gorge]

The snow bot needs to go, just take away the snow and say it’s another bug. Sad thing is , it’s believable.

[red comet]

I'd totally be down to write this in a feedback to them. Maybe guilt trip them

[marsh depot]

The snow bot warning was implemented by the mods because S6 had no statements regarding the flashbang and so, many players didn't know about it.

[thick wagon]

does the daily login currency scale depending on witch coin option you buy? or is it all just 30 a day if you buy the pass?

[copper warren]

i know i'm not alone, thankfully! i appreciate the empathy and i share it with you and the others who experience similarly or beyond.

[raven orbit]

Sounds like it's 30 a day assuming you login every day

[fiery perch]

I still just don't think the value of the Zeki Loyalty Club is all that great, too. I get theyre trying to be like "hehe 300% more value", which, yeah true. but that doesnt mean it is decent, esp when you compare outfit prices.

I know there are some outfits that are worth 850 coins, and pets are around 1275 [I believe?], but the value is still.. it just feels off to me.

Again, i'm glad theyre trying and this is a start, but it still just feels conflicting for me, at the same time.

[urban lily]

I think it's only available as the 1325 for $5

From what I was reading

[polar crown]

it's probably going to be a completely separate pack from the currently existing ones so it'll just be the flat rate of whatever they decide to offer. i can't imagine them doing multiple tiers

[pallid ferry]

I wonder if the Lunar quest will be available for those of us who did the Dragon Lunar NY last year, or if it's a one-and-done like the Christmas questline.

[copper warren]

the value is off for sure, especially when the value is artificial and they can control it. they COULD make the process of buying paliacoins cheaper, but they have chosen to do this instead.

[marsh depot]

I'm gonna guess it's the latter, but who knows. I'd hope I'm wrong.

[thick wagon]

agree with the way the shop items are priced you realistically will have to wait a month to buy ONE big item set THAT IS if you even have that much from the 5$ option

[pallid ferry]

Yeah I was disappointed that the Christmas wasn't repeatable.

[fiery perch]

I did math earlier in comparison to a gacha game that I enjoy playing, Star Rail, and it's just.. yeah. I dont know 😓

I get more value from that one, compared to this loyalty club one. And i think that's kinda.. telling, for me at least.

[marsh depot]

I was about to reply with this too.

[thick wagon]

and ill say it again pets need to go back to being 850 or whatever the ORIGINAL price was! pets should NOT be the same pricing as basically a full set of clothing!

[copper warren]

there's also gameplay in star rail c: (but also, mihoyo is Rich and can afford this kind of stuff. s6 isn't as well off, but part of that is their own failing.)

[raven orbit]

I didn't even realize they were the same price as outfits now...what?! That's absurd

[thick wagon]

me who just wants the little ferret and know kitsuu pet also be crying because thats hella expensive!

[marsh depot]

But the hat is new! /j

[fiery perch]

True. Love star rail

[copper warren]

i stay away from gacha games, but my friends dig it and genshin, and i can for sure see the quality in it

[urban lily]

What gets me when it comes to the lack of trading mats between players is that it could be as simple as implementing something like what Farmville has, you can sell a limited amount of things at a time for other players to purchase. I'd be buying glow worms out the window if that were an option

[thick wagon]

the hats/cosmetic idea only works if you can remove or add said cosmetic item on said pet..there should be no reason someone needs to REPAY for the SAME pet just with a hat!

[raven orbit]

Oh my I just checked and it's almost $25 CAD (for the ferret thing) that's wild

[marsh depot]

I do too but Star Rail is one of the few gacha games that is actually F2P friendly

[copper warren]

even a basic item trading system would be great if they don't want to have currency exchanges. let people put up items and ask for other items in exchange.

[lean berry]

y'know, I get that Palia needs money, but not even other F2P games charge for their premiums as much as they do

[thick wagon]

right?! like i DO have pets but thats the palcats from cloths and a fox >:{

[raven orbit]

I still don't get why they refuse to add trading. It's such a basic multiplayer game feature, especially ones that claim to be about community play. How can I feel community if I can't help/get help from other players??

[celest maple]

This patch/mini dev blog was one frustrating read

[thick wagon]

hell Wizard101 isent this bad! AND ITS Kingsisl we talking about

[copper warren]

so i've heard! i know my buddies enjoy it for that reason. i simply have tendencies towards gambling and avoid them for my mental and financial wellbeing. man i don't even buy blindboxes, and there's some balljointed dolls i would d i e for

[lean berry]

and you know what else is sad? FFXIV, a game that ISN'T FTP- their most expensive things? 4 seater mounts. and they're account wide, so multiple alts get them forever

[thorn oriole]

"q2 btw" after saying early 2025. Q2 is not early.

[red comet]

$25?! For a little RAT?!

[raven orbit]

right?! i could get a large pizza for that!!

[thorn oriole]

genuinely annoyed at how palia keep moving goalposts. dont give us release windows if you can't deliver at this point. I get you're desperate for people to stay with the game but it's getting rather pathetic now

[lean berry]

25 bucks in ffxiv would get you a whole outfit and at least three emotes/another smaller outfit

[fiery perch]

I'm honestly the same, and probably one of the reasons i've personally taken a break from Star Rail [and other games with similar mechanics] since I can't justify that personally.

It def is f2p friendly, just .. I uh, I know how I am

[red comet]

Seriously though. Pizza sounds much more enjoyable

[urban lily]

I only have the palcats for pets. I won't buy any that are stupid expensive, especially considering you can only display one at a time

[red comet]

I'm convinced this is all a money laundering shtick. Or just a money grab

[marsh depot]

I completely get that, I know if i could, I'd also be spending money on the game. Same reason I just decided to turn away from Palia (aside from, other issues altogether).

[copper warren]

it is what it is... i play livly island because they give so many free currency opportunities at all times and everything in it is purely cosmetic, but oh man i gotta step back sometimes before i spend even 3$ on something :')

[thorn oriole]

Honestly considering what Konami was like for years it's not that far out of the ballpark to consider

[raven orbit]

They also don't do anything...which could easily be fixed if they offered one free pet (cough cough s6 i will give you my quest idea for free its literally right here waiting for you) so they could add mechanics to it

[pallid ferry]

I only enjoy pets during cooking parties. Other than that, I feel like they get in the way, esp when bug catching

[marsh depot]

Most of us saw it coming tbh. I don't mind them moving the goalpost if they actually concentrate on fixing bugs first.

[copper warren]

the amount of times i've seen a pet and shot an arrow at it thinking it's a huntable animal is insane

[thorn oriole]

I've been shouting at clouds since early on in early beta and people thought I was mad

[copper warren]

"bro that's some dude's dog"

[lean berry]

atp, why don't they do what another online game has done in the past? there was this game that had a 'gold membership' thing that, all it really did was give you a bunch of premium currency + a more every month. Sure, you could also buy the currency and the 'more' seperatly if you want, and you could still play the game completely free, but this was a way to get the stuff on a discount AND support the game itself through this

[raven orbit]

Trying to do chappa chase while everyone has pets and the server kept desyncing was actually the most frustrating thing I've ever experiences so felt

[fiery perch]

If only there was a way to disable seeing other ppls pets [client side] for folks. Or even your own. When youre out and about. I feel like it genuinely would help.

[pulsar meteor]

this is palia, it'd be a 'odg'

[pallid ferry]

People who don't remove their pets during Chapaa Chase are chaotic evil

[lean berry]

The Zeki thing isn't even a 'membership' thing either, just a paid version of a gatcha's login rewards system

[red comet]

That would actually require s6 to do work and implement accessibility

[thorn oriole]

You know a games losing its playerbase when even mods are taking digs 🥴

[copper warren]

my favourite is when the server starts crumbling and i don't even see a player, just the little fella running around. it's free game until palia starts giving us leashes

[pulsar meteor]

i tease from a place of love, i've been here since pre-alpha and seen a lot

[thorn oriole]

The settings would have to work for that 😔

[thorn oriole]

I love the potential of the game but dislike the direction it's going but fair honestly

[raven orbit]

They'd have to actually implement the VFX toggle they were supposed to have and then convinently scrubbed from the patch notes 🤣

[lean berry]

Listen, they can add a toggle to get rid of extra bits of clothing that people don't want, THEY CAN ADD A 'HIDE PETS' OPTION

[copper warren]

they couldn't even do that C;

[thorn oriole]

I have news for you. They got rid of that

[lean berry]

WHY

[fiery perch]

They got rid of the ability for ppl to hide teh backpack on that 1 outfit? /gen

[thorn oriole]

They removed the patch notes setting where you could remove vfx

[limpid root]

It got scrubbed from the patch notes with no further mention of it since it didn't actually exist.

[copper warren]

easier to do nothing and backtrack than to admit something didn't work/didn't get added

[fiery perch]

Oh, I think Grauel was referencing the backpack toggle.

Not the VFX

[lean berry]

no wonder they ignored my 'flipping asymetrical face items' request I sent in

[red comet]

Patch notes are written by cats making biscuits on the keyboard. Or doing a big stretch

[thorn oriole]

I haven't logged into the game for months because it just makes me mad atp I don't know what's going on beyond the occasional dev update and trailer that shows up in my sub feed

[raven orbit]

The kicker is the VFX toggle only worked for outfits you yourself owned. It was effectively p2w accessibility 😩

[lean berry]

ok, so the backpack toggle's still there?

[fiery perch]

I could be wrong tho, but that's what i read. The backpack toggle is there.

But yeah, they scrubbed away the VFX toggle which still disappoints me. Esp since it wasn't something client side. It was for the outfit itself that you bought.

[thorn oriole]

That explains why they removed it

[fiery perch]

I saw ppl show it in #👕│outfits-cosmetics when they released it, so i'd assume it is?

[raven orbit]

They only removed it after it wasn't in the patch when it went live

[copper warren]

the only reason i know there's a human behind it is because they take the time to let us know "this is not a complete list" instead of expending all the energy to give us a proper, comprehensive one

[lean berry]

Good, then maybe my face accessories flip toggle one day could be a reality

[copper warren]

if it doesn't take me long to write on a notepad "i changed [thing] to do [thing]" when i finish that exact thing so i can copypaste it into a patchnote later, it won't take them long to do it either

[lean berry]

GUYS,

start badgering them in suggestion on the site for a face accessories flip toggle

/j

[copper warren]

intermission in my grumbling: cat says hello

[lean berry]

fair, but maybe if a bunch of people badger them...?

🤞

[thorn oriole]

Honestly I think they just need to recode the entire game cuz something's gone horribly wrong if adding anything breaks it

[lean berry]

Spaghetti code my beloathed

[raven orbit]

If the response (lack thereof) to accessibility is anything to go off of, unfortunatley not. But there's no harm in sending feedback

[thorn oriole]

I had enough of that with xiv

[copper warren]

it's 50/50 on if that would work since none of the feedback is publicly displayed, so they don't have to be honest about if they even got the feedback at all

[lean berry]

ffxiv is better coded than this tbh

and are far nicer, too. Which is sad when a AAA game is more transparent

[thorn oriole]

Have you seen their data handling? It's a literal nightmare.

[copper warren]

and makes huge bank because they saw the failure in the first version, and doubled down on making a far better second version

[slow sedge]

Where's that screenshot from?

[raven orbit]

There have been times when they've mentioned adjusting stuff (often nerfing) for player feedback, but like Altru said there's no way of knowing how true that is since there has never been a public feedback board aside from the discord channel they had once a long time ago.

[thorn oriole]

S6 was given over 100mil in investments just to lay off 100s of staff. There's obviously problems that are close to the top.

but S6 is not an indie developer. They've had investments and are owned by an investment firm now.

[raven orbit]

Though they're owned by Daybreak now which...if you've heard of them, not the best track record

[slow sedge]

Thanks!

[lean berry]

Guys, I do gotta say- how sad is it when a game that has the core mechanics of something I'd love in a cozy game... only holds my attention for a month before a MONEY HUNGRY TTRPG MAKER takes it from me? (Warhammer 40K people)

Like, how does this happen?

[thorn oriole]

They're not owned by daybreak, they are owned by eg7 which own daybreak

[raven orbit]

Sorry, I meant they were acquired by daybreak

[lean berry]

it's garbage all the way up, huh?

[thorn oriole]

still incorrect.

they are partner studios with daybreak. They were acquired by eg7

[copper warren]

yeah :c there's a precariousness in having a public feedback/suggestions board, but when it's posted publicly, you can at least hold them somewhat accountable to having acknowledged it or face backlash for not bothering to check it. they could have a disclaimer that not every suggestion will be implemented, but having a public forum for suggestions that allow players to give feedback (doesn't need to have active comments on the posts) allows players to 1. not have to send in repeated feedback in favour of a voting system like the bugs board, and 2. know that their concerns are shared with others and find community in it. it'd require moderation, but considering they have mods here, they could also have mods there

[raven orbit]

Tell that to Daybreak and S6's own press release 🤷‍♂️

[slow sedge]

Go ahead lol

[thorn oriole]

They say daybreak in press release because it's easier for the average Andy to understand, but it was eg7 that acquired them. Daybreak is wholly owned as a subsidiary of eg7

[lean berry]

Daybreak is a subsidiary, which means they're below EG7- it still counts

[raven orbit]

Yes. Semantics aside, the point was Daybreak (and by extension EG7) doesn't have a good track record

[thorn oriole]

like daybreak wouldn't be able to acquire them without eg7 saying yes to the deal in the first place. It's also likely why they laid off so many staff - because it was the only way for the game to keep running and for them to obtain security

oh I'm aware, they closed down freerealms and have run everquest into the ground

[copper warren]

poor everquest...

[raven orbit]

Everquest our fallen hero

[lean berry]

poor everquest....

[fiery perch]

Yeah, was going to say, either way, S6/Palia is part of Daybreak.

[copper warren]

could be worse, could have been acquired by gamigo

[lean berry]

or......

Nexon

[copper warren]

i had a real fight or flight reaction seeing that name; my friend was a mod for maplestory

[lean berry]

exactly

[lean berry]

I'd say spill the tea if we weren't on a palia discussion discord

[copper warren]

i couldn't if i wanted to; NDA ;v;

[lean berry]

understandable. Must be a LONG term one, oof

[copper warren]

i think there's a year or two left

[lean berry]

https://tenor.com/view/sneaky-plotting-evil-patrick-spongebob-squarepants-gif-3484138

I can't wait until so many NDAs are expired

[copper warren]

staying on topic, though, daybreak is certainly one of the lesser of the evils. maybe could even be called the mid of evils. not ideal but there could be hope.

[lean berry]

I do agree on that, but them being a middling evil is still No Bueno

[copper warren]

oh, no, they're not my first or even fifth pick for the dodgeball team

[lean berry]

I eternally say 'at least it isn't nexon' to keep SOME hope in my brain and heart for Palia

[copper warren]

daybreak would have to dig into the earth to trip over that low bar

i don't think they have the energy for that

[lean berry]

What about..... NCSoft?

is that comparable? 🤔

[fiery perch]

wildstar my beloved

[lean berry]

I had multiple trists with BnS

[copper warren]

it's about there, i think. guild wars is in my heart

[lean berry]

yeah, addictive but with MANY alarming issues

[fiery perch]

I enjoy GW2. I just dont have enough friends who play it rn. Usually rotate with MMOs.

[umbral lynx]

Someone say gw2

[fiery perch]

maybe

[lean berry]

I have an eternal subscription to ffxiv because I love them, so one could say I've sold my soul to an mmo already lmao

[copper warren]

summoned

[lean berry]

one day there will be a proper Warhammer 40K MMO and it will own my soul, too

[umbral lynx]

Gw2 is a good vibe solo or with a group they allow me to buy things I want or save and use in game though I'm a lil baby who use to play alot music in gw in a music guild

[lean berry]

but for now... ANYWAYS OFFTOPICS ASIDE

[copper warren]

i bought the original collectors edition of ffxiv, but lost my account attached to it :c i wish i had my cool tattoo

that said i absolutely still have a character in there who is a hot old man who works at femboy hooters complete with a suzaku "hotwings" tome

[lean berry]

YESSSS

[copper warren]

words i couldn't say in palia

[lean berry]

My main is a prettyboy elezen who wears nothing but skirts and gives Junji Ito levels of RBF all while being mistaken for a woman

also, goth

[copper warren]

s6 let me dress up for femboy hooters in palia, then i might give you money

[polar elbow]

I have an eternal subscription to XIV because in that game housing is a royal pain to get, limited in number+ will auto-demo if you're inactive for too long soooo chained for life LOL

[lean berry]

s6 give us no chest curvy tall body pls, we need our pretty boys

[copper warren]

my friends log in before demo every time

[lean berry]

along with our strong tall Mother body, too

my s/o has a FC plot that they have to keep not getting demo'd bc nobody else in the dang FC will log in but them

I am SO Glad Palia dont got auto demo stuff, shudders

[copper warren]

i appreciate s6 for giving palia a distinct look for its clothing, but i would just about die for more goofy options that let me make my boy look stupid without it being a mascot costume or whatnot

man, einar sniped you so fast i didn't even get a millisecond to see that

[lean berry]

I

wanna be a clown!

Like, with the face paint, nose and stuff

[copper warren]

ultimately i think what i want would require them to overhaul the cosmetics system into parts, though. i'm not holding my breath, but would like it if they did that before release

it may seem like an easy solution, but i'm fairly certain from a professional standpoint that it's not, knowing what i do about 3D modeling, coding, and their current code architecture (which i hate hate hate)

[lean berry]

I still dont get why they chose to make WIGS instead of adding them to the hair list

[copper warren]

i'm not entirely too fussy about it, but don't get why they can't add a wig section AND a hat section

[lean berry]

that would ALSO work!

lemme remove that AWFUL bow on the last long haired wig release

[copper warren]

animal crossing has the same problem; they have hair items that are in the helmet/hat category, forcing you to pick between hair you like and a hat/accessory you like

it might just be a matter of limitation within their current system

[warm python]

Ten min late but I love every femboy hooters character I see

My thighlander has a hooters costume too I had her put on at some club event alongside a bunch of other people, I'd grab the pic but I'm not at my computer but it was great

[lean berry]

URG. I can only survive so far with that word, 'limitation'. It's not that I don't understand it, it's just the UTTER LACK OF PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY. And I DON'T mean just here. IT's nice we have an OCCASIONAL dev speak here, but they aren't the whole team telling them stuff like with announcements.

[copper warren]

if they had a wig and hat category separately, they could even implement somethng that livly island does: splitting their hair options into the base hair and then the extensions on the back. it allows for extremely unique combinations of hairstyles since you can choose the basic hair style you want and then have whatever ponytail/bob/curls/etc. you want

[lean berry]

why can a AAA game make me feel more safe with where my money's going than an indie game

[lean berry]

Oh I LOVE that about that game!!

[copper warren]

livly does a lot of cool stuff, honestly, thanks to their layering system

[lean berry]

but, sadly, Livly IS a 2d game...

[copper warren]

gaia online does the same, but yes, 2d

[polar elbow]

Modular hairstyles are amazing in every game they show up in, they just need to show up in more

[copper warren]

still, it's very doable! they absolutely could do it, but it would take an overhaul

[lean berry]

Code Vein has modular hair! Real customizable

[pulsar meteor]

proven track record versus uncertain returns, that's always been the distinction between big studios and startups/ early access type stuff

[copper warren]

and having resources for them

[lean berry]

Maybe Palia will eventually have a... rebirth

[pulsar meteor]

we need your help, Warrior of Flow!

[lean berry]

YES!

[copper warren]

these two hair items are different but go together so seamlessly. imagine the possibilities...

[polar elbow]

I can't even begin how many times I've just wanted a nice long ponytail but all of the ones offered have a style of bangs that just do not fit my characters style at all

[lean berry]

mood mood MOOD

Or. OR. You want a fluffy LONG hairstyle and do not care if it clips. Just floof and length pls

[copper warren]

my current palia hairstyle matches mine, thank God. it's that curly shoulderlength style that has the one braid on the side that lets you have underside highlights.

[polar elbow]

Long ponytails are my typical video game preference because it gives you the best of both worlds, long hair + minimal clipping

[pulsar meteor]

irl i have the PVP Online Brent ponytail and I wish I could get it in game, but all we have is the big fountain one which doesn't work for me

[lean berry]

I have LONG hair irl, so I couldn't even look like my own self irl rn if I wanted to 😭

[polar elbow]

but man why can't any of them ever get bangs that look good >>

[lean berry]

modular bangs are needed

[copper warren]

god please.

[lean berry]

also, does Palia have like, orangey hair? icr

[copper warren]

i... think? maybe?

to be perfectly honest, i made my character exactly as he is now, and then never had a need to change it again

[lean berry]

I may not ever change mine, but still. In case I do, URG

[copper warren]

i'm about to log in so i could check

[polar elbow]

I'm pretty sure palia has had orange hair for a while, but we didnt have any good shades of blond until very recently

[copper warren]

i just started closing other applications and still had s6's core values page up... lord what corporate lingo hell that is

[lean berry]

sure, you can check if you wanna!

[copper warren]

yes it does

they have like... a true orange, coral orange, rusty orange, and a pale orange/pink

[lean berry]

like, THIS level of orange?

[copper warren]

not that level, but kinda close

[lean berry]

boo...

[zealous siren]

https://tenor.com/view/thinkorange-evacord-sussmeat-evangelion-discord-misato-gif-26478271

[copper warren]

it lacks fluorescence but is comparable

[polar elbow]

as for blond.... prior to the update that added two actual blond colors to the list, the game basically offered you a choice of:
white
grey
yellow-tinted grey
light brown
orange

if you wanted to be a blond-haired character prior to the recent update that added more shades+ hairstyles, you were forced to choose one of the above >>

[lean berry]

fairly close, but ye. If I decide to be my Marckus-y self, I may do it

[copper warren]

i just remembered i once joked about the palia costumes by telling a friend i could be a maid Cafe diversity hire if I couldn't be at femboy hooters

"why are you so obsessed with femboy hooters" because a hot old man in short shorts and a cropped tank top is hilarious to me

[warm python]

idk why i'm so amused that chat is apparently broken again

also damn idk where my hooters pic is cause I have like 2.6k shots in my gshade folder

[hexed cloak]

Relying on a third party service will do that lol

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[warm python]

found it!

@copper warren

[fallow saffron]

femboy hooters mentioned

not what i expected to see in this chat but i am here

[fallow saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/when-will-you-wear-wigs-ven-vill-you-vear-vigs-lord-of-the-rings-frodo-elijah-wood-gif-17930969

my gif

[celest maple]

Sooo ahhh, this loading chat wheel of doom huh? 😭

[warm python]

[livid lagoon]

Hmm, no idea what Einar complained for. Let me reread and see if I can fix it.

Oh, I missed a word when filtering my copy and paste. Oops.

[rare pine]

Seems like it's been an eventful day

[warm python]

A day has indeed occurred /nodnod

[loud axle]

That blog post read like a death knell... :/ Numbers are down, gotta get em up.

I'm all for a Battlepass but that wasn't... How I pictured it lol. I just want more achievement based gameplay that rewards you for doing stuff!

Looks like Elderwoods got pushed back as well, so they're trying to hold on until then.

[lean berry]

what... are stickers even gonna be used FOR?

[rare pine]

I expected the delay tbh

[lean berry]

I saw they're adding stickers as 'free collectables' and I'm just like- What use will these even BE?

[livid lagoon]

I wrote a big post on my thoughts re. the blog post elsewhere, but I'll save you the wall of text. But posting my trailer thoughts because it was funny.

• I wasn't there for last LNY, but seems it'll be very similar to what I've heard the last one was. They have the controversial Chapaa Chase. They seem to have the wishing tree thing. I don't see hotpot (which they have in Underground now anyway), and don't see any immediate signs of new minigames.
• We might have a premium outfit for you.
• Oh, and premium glider.
• Hey, did you see our premium landscape.
• Here's some new decor and semi-new decor, just a tiny bit of it.
• Did you see the person walking by the new decor in what is probably a premium outfit.
• Anyway, here's a premium pet.

[rare pine]

If it's like stickers in other games, it'll probably work like spray paint

[lean berry]

gross

[lyric night]

probably emotes in chat? which will then be displayed in the chat bubble as well

[lean berry]

so, useless?

[livid lagoon]

Ahh yes, I see something table-like there. Good catch.

Stickers could be emojis too, but I initially thought it was something similar to sprays you find in a lot of games. You have decals you can "spray" on the terrain that other players can see.

[loud axle]

Someone on Steam said the snow is gonna and pumpkins are back in? 🤔

[lean berry]

of all in-game free earnables they gave us...... it is stupid ahh stickers

I bet they're gonna look UGLY

[warm python]

They sure are

however they coded it must have had it automatically switch back to its pre-winter state which was fall or smth like that

[rare pine]

They loyalty club thing is interesting...

[fiery perch]

I feel very conflicted on the "Zeki Loyalty Club". I'm glad it's something in a sense, but also i feel like the value is not great.

[lean berry]

discount battlepass combined with a USUALLY free log-in reward system, paid edition

[rare pine]

Yeah, that about sums it up

[warm python]

idk how I feel about it either, I'd feel better if it wasn't something that felt less about helping players afford things and more of "we need to keep people logging in every day"

I dont really care much for the caveat

[fiery perch]

Going to copy paste what i said earlier:

I'm not sure how to feel.

I get what they were going for in regards to the ZLC thing, with daily rewards. And technically, yeah, it's a nice deal in the grand scheme of things. And I know other games have this...

But, I'm going to mention Star Rail. They have something similar. you get 300 crystals or whatever theyre called lol, [that most turn into jades], and 90 jades per day. thats about 2700 jades, plus 300 crystals, but let's go with 2700, just in case someone keeps those 300. With that 2700, you can still do about 16 pulls. Which imo isnt awful. Full value is somewhere in the 40 usd mark.

But with Palia, after 30 days... you get what, barely enough for one outfit? That seems very off to me. spend 5usd, get value that's a bit less than 15 usd. It feels a bit offputting for me. I'm glad they are at least trying to make it cheaper for some folks, but the value still seems off. I know they also mentioned rotating deals, but... i dont know.

And wanting to add, yes, I know there are some outfits that are 850 coins, along with some pets that 1275 I believe ... but, that still feels a bit minimal to me, just.. in comparison.

(copy pasting was just easier than retyping it all)

[celest maple]

Chats back!

Oh yeah, pshhh palia has taken so much of my money on the premium shop, between pets, clothes, and tool skins, i cant help it, its my guilty pleasure

[lean berry]

If it was a set 'buy this? You get THIS mount of coins per week/day, regardless of login bc you gave us money'

and if they did that? They could make it more than 5 bucks and I'd be ok with it. IT'd be like getting coins at a discount, but without all the GARBAGE you gotta go through to get the coins. That, or it gives you a discount on the premium items or something.

Just my two cents

[marsh depot]

For me personally the worst part of it are the stickers. It's almost like, taunting.

"We're giving more options to customise outside of paid cosmetics without really changing any of the core issues people have". It all feels like a band-aid.

[fiery perch]

band-aid sticker

[warm python]

I still have NO idea wtf they even mean by a sticker

[rare pine]

We don't even know what these mysterious stickers are or what they do so it's hard to get hype regardless.

[celest maple]

Imo at least its only cosmetics, we dont have to pay for expansion packs, we get entire free world updates, sure its expensive but its a free game and it costs money to have a team of developers and servers kept up 24/7

[lean berry]

THIS 💯

I don't need an in game sticker we want normal ahh in-game earnable outfits/ outfit pieces!

[marsh depot]

I don't get how they're meant to give us more "customising" either.

[rare pine]

They're like: look stickers!! That's cool right??

[loud axle]

I just do not understand why it is so hard to include a handful of earnable cosmetic rewards. They don't have to be super flashy. They can just relate to each skill as a way to say "hey you worked really hard at this, here's an outfit."

[lean berry]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-keys-jingle-gif-522398006157271314

S6 to us with stickers

[warm python]

In a genre of game like this, cosmetics kind of is a big end-game, so I don't really buy the "it's only cosmetics" excuse with it

[celest maple]

My friend bought a clothes set but she actually likes base cosmetics better, they have a ton of free options too

[warm python]

Furniture is cosmetic, would it be okay to paywall those too?

[lean berry]

as ffxiv-ers say, Glamour is true end game

[rare pine]

In another game I used to play, when you get to level 50, you get a golden skin for the character. That's the kind of stuff I'm into.

[celest maple]

Would you rather pay a monthly subscription to be over a certain level? Would you rather pay $60 for the game? Would you rather chuck $20 at every world update?

[lean berry]

S6 needs to give us a jingle keys emote with all this babying

[marsh depot]

Sure it's free but many of us have made the comparison of how many of the cosmetics in this game are the same price as a FULL GAME. Which I'm sorry but, I'd much rather buy an expansion pack at that point because it at least is more than just a cosmetic.

[celest maple]

Yes the cosmetics are expensive but you are like putting down the pure amount of free stuff the game gives us

[lean berry]

I'd rather pay a sub, yes
I do that with ffxiv

[fiery perch]

I get what you're saying. I do. In fact, I don't think it's the worst thing that it's limited to only cosmetics [which can be debateable at this point imho].

However, having earnable cosmetics would also be nice and help give an incentive [in my opinion] to even spend more money and get more cosmetics. It'd open up a lot, and even add more character expression-- which they also loosely addressed in the blog post.

[marsh depot]

And like many others have said before, F2P is not charity, it's a monetization scheme and if anything, can be just as predatory.

[loud axle]

That's not the point anyone is making.

What most of us are saying is that we would be more inclined to spend money if we had the incentives to actually play the game.

[warm python]

I'd rather play a game that lets me earn a hat for getting a certain skill level or show my achievements that are more than being able to swipe my credit card

[lean berry]

also, many games have done what you said and succeeded for it

[celest maple]

I get that, if you dont play the game why would you want to buy cosmetics, the point im making is that the free game needs a source of income to keep free updates rolling out, new worlds, new quest lines, all that jazz. If they made cosmetics free they would then need a different source of income

[warm python]

It doesn't have to be an all or nothing, is the thing

[rare pine]

There would be a lot less criticism about monetization if we had some juicy content to go along with it.

[fiery perch]

People aren't saying all cosmetics should be free. They're saying there should be both options-- earnable cosmetics with the premium shop ones.

[lean berry]

we. never. said. it. all. needs. to. be free.

We merely are saying some NORMAL stuff that's free ALONG SIDE the fancy premium stuff

[hexed cloak]

(Q2)

[celest maple]

Arent we about to get a giant new world?

[warm python]

They appear to think that it has to be an all or nothing, that the game will go under if they let us earn a hat, doesn't mean we have to like that

[celest maple]

Ok honestly, this one i get completely

[loud axle]

The game can still be free while including some earnable options. It's not a one-or-the-other or all-or-nothing scenario. In fact, most games include earnable cosmetics / premium currency because it increases player engagement and nets them more money in the long run.

[rare pine]

IDC about some content we're gonna get in the future. I've been bored for MONTHS

[celest maple]

Even DDV has a solid way to earn premium coins, they got a whole dreamsnaps to get thousands of free coins from

[warm python]

I've never seen anyone here claim everything should be free, just that there ought to be a healthy mix of more basic earnables and fancy cash shop items

[lean berry]

None of us are complainig on the front of 'we're getting a whole new area', we're excited about that. But free cometics are a whole different ballpark

[fiery perch]

If there were earnable cosmetics, things to work towarsd and a goal [like guild coins, skill-based ones etc], then it would end up having people, you know, playing more to try to get those. It would give ppl incentive to work on other skills, etc, and even work together more with other players depending on how it's done.

It'd also be a way for people to express which skill they prefer and have more fun with, if that's what they'd choose to do.

Or you'd run around, and be like, "omg that outfit is cute, where is it from?" "Oh i just lvled fishing to 50 and i got this shirt!" [or something], which might make that player be like omg okay time to go fish for ages to get that shirt

[celest maple]

My bad i got the wrong conception completely 💀

[marsh depot]

Precisely. I have said it before, but I would be more inclined to spend money in the game, if we had more incentives through earnable cosmetics. There's a reason why people have spent thousands of dollars and hours on games like League/GW/WoW/etc.

[lean berry]

we need this. Not some weird trophy we'll never display. Or, if you like the trophies, them ALONG SIDE a single free cosmetic!

[warm python]

People still spend money on cash shops in multiplayer games even if they can also get stuff for free or part of the basic sub. Trust me. My Mog Station receipts are proof enough of that lmao

Give players faith in the game/company and content to do and they don't mind dropping extra if they can afford it for a shiny

[fiery perch]

tbh it's easy to misunderstand in that way. We def are just saying having both options would be good, not one or the other!

We def understand that the team deserve to be paid! Just having both would be nice.

I use this analogy a lot: Tug of War. 1 side being free players, the other being ppl who pay. And atm it has been feeling like, "People who pay" are winning the tug of war, with free players landing in the mud.

[rare pine]

We also need our accounts backed up, because accounts can get nuked.

[fiery perch]

I just always want balance so neither side are fallin' in.

[celest maple]

Im like sitting at work rn, playing palia, its a very slow day, it usually is slow tho i work at a smoke shop, and putting half my check into the game once a month isnt something i wanna keep doing, i would like it a little better if i didnt have to pay 37$ on one outfit, am i still gonna? Yeah ;-;

Do i like it? No. But the outfits are too cute! This is my comfort game

[lean berry]

Though, I do understand Fay because hearing a lot of negitivity can make one upset, too. A lot, and I mean a LOT- of ffxiv players are loud about their distains (Viera/hrothgar hats coughcough) and it can be frustraiting to see constantly

[celest maple]

Ok. This is bs. I have spent hundreds of dollars on this game and now i learn theres a chance the accounts can just dissapear?

[lean berry]

actually, I think that only happened in the EARLY early times of Palia

[celest maple]

F it, im mad too now ):<

[lean berry]

I think they said they wouldnt do that anymore

[rare pine]

I don't remember what cause it but someone's account got nuked after the last LNY. Because they got an error the devs couldn't resolve

[celest maple]

I hope not! ;-;

[west marlin]

No there has been recent examples of people who lost their account, mostly now because they get their progress stuck and supports only answer is to reset them

[fiery perch]

Yeah, it's true. It's why I try to clarify and be clear on both sides.

Esp cuz a lot of the negativity is just critique and how we feel, even tho [a majority] people really do just want the best and things to just be better

[lean berry]

well, that's a bit different to normal nuking then

[west marlin]

The last person this happened to was only offered a 50$ credit which didn't cover what was lost

[rare pine]

Sheeeeesh

[celest maple]

😮 i had a tree quest i was stuck on for months, im not entirely sure if support fixed it or i completed it. But luckily i didnt get reset

[warm python]

man I've been on break from FFXIV for a while despite it being my baby of ten years cause people have been whipping themselves up into a frenzy since 6.1 and I can't even deal with them anymore LMAO but

[marsh depot]

There was the case of someone who wanted to reset their account and then lost access entirely, I don't know if they ever got a solution but that happened recently enough.

[lean berry]

yeah! I can see Palia has a LOT of potential and polish on some things, I just wish they were able to focus down on those and find the sweet spot with free vs monitization

[fiery perch]

They were just stuck in the void.

[celest maple]

I would be heated, let me go to my wardrobe and get pics of the sheer amount of cosmetics hold uppppp

[rare pine]

But yeah. There's no back up if something happens to your account. Just FYI.

[lean berry]

All I gotta say for my reason for hiatus is; Wuk Lomat hate....

[jolly idol]

So I honestly think these are all good first steps. They're not saying things won't change in the future, obviously because they are changing now. Weekly discounts are good, some kind of premium pass thing isn't bad, though it would be cool if it offered more than just "pay this, then log in every day to get an outfit for 20% less"

Stickers I could care less for. And I'm also not going to be logging in every day, I did that for close to a year and I'm burnt out on Palia mostly. But new players might get more benefits out of that since they're logging in every day anyway. And maybe if its not good enough and people are still complaining they'll change things again

[lean berry]

I DO think Palia gets a biiit too much constant heat for being such a young game

[west marlin]

I had to laugh at the wording of 'first steps' because some of us have been playing this game and saying this for more then a year now like we shouldn't be at first steps right now but it's better then nothing

[somber crag]

I had something to add to the convo.... and theeeennn..... I choked on my spit. All thoughts gone. But maybe reading this channel will jog my memory.

[rare pine]

It's better to get the heat during "beta" than a full release

[warm python]

Oh yeah that was my tipping point. I could rant for a while on the topic but it'd go too off topic here lmfkhasda but the way people acted about that character and the VA just had me go "yeah nah I'm gonna focus on another fandom/series now"

[lean berry]

a year I'd say ARE first steps for a proper large game, even if it doesn't feel like it

[marsh depot]

Reading this made me choke on my coffee

[lean berry]

yeah... and here I am! heeheh

[warm python]

ANNER NO you're my favorite don't die!!! (mood tho that happens to me more than I care to admit)

[somber crag]

Loooool, be careful! 🤣🤣

[somber crag]

Choking on your own spit is so humbling. It just hard reset my brain.

[west marlin]

Keep in mind it was in closed beta and alpha for years before that
And atleast from my time in closed beta I can't say they're been significant changes

[warm python]

meanwhile I went in the absolute opposite genre direction from cozy and got obsessed with the Alan Wake series LMAO

[lean berry]

Who else is on team "I'm on Hiatus from FFXIV bc of the Stupid Wuk Lomat hate train"?

[neat compass]

I used to agree with this. The main reason I've become increasingly frustrated with Palia is because I feel that I've seen things get worse rather than better. To me, it feels like the game has become less playable over time, and that makes me feel like they're misusing their time in beta if that makes sense. I can handle slow progress. But I need more progression than regression.

[fiery perch]

Idk, personally, I think a lot of the heat/critique is warranted. Been here since Closed Beta, and people are still falling through the ground and void. My wallpaper for my cafe is still busted and will forever be wooden paneling. And there's been some other stuff that's been a struggle for me to ignore-- but I am hoping some of that will change, considering they did at least acknowledge that their communication isn't the greatest.

[somber crag]

Sorry, not trying to derail. But pbbtbtbt I really did have a thought. 😪

[lean berry]

If it gets worse, maybe one day it can be...... reborn~

[fiery perch]

i'll patiently wait for your thought(s) to come back, Anner

[warm python]

Look out for a second red moon--

[rare pine]

Anyone who is on Switch can tell it's gotten real bad.

[lean berry]

putting this game on the switch and not switch 2 was a MISTAKE

[marsh depot]

Or on a gaming laptop.

[west marlin]

I say this every time I think of palia lol

[warm python]

It really does feel like it's caused more harm than good in so many ways

[celest maple]

If they offered me a $50 credit for getting rid of all of this i would sob, i would also probably contact a lawyer, AND PRAY

[lean berry]

I forsee the switch 2 migration through palia will be akin to the ps3 -> ps4 migration of ffxiv

[polar elbow]

Honestly if they wanted to go the whole "login every day to get bonus coins" route I would have preferred seeing something more along the lines of:
"get 30 coins daily, you don't lose any coins for skipping days but you just can't purchase another loyalty card until your first one is completely finished"
Instead of what was described in the news post which reads to me like "buy the loyalty card and if you can't login every day for the next 30 days you effectively 'lose' coins"

[celest maple]

You may have ended my spending issue with this game, the thought i could loose this scares the f out of me

[loud laurel]

We want you to buy more premium currency! Also you have to log in every day for a month! bruh this game..

[celest maple]

Thats a super good idea

[jolly idol]

Yeah, there's only so long you can keep saying 'its in beta so fine' for. Because it does behave like a beta game, and yet they got rid of all the communication and so ....what, we're supposed to just have the bugs that apparently they're not checking and "had no idea it was such a big problem about" ....like, how could you know if you got rid of the communication channels.

also they did emphasize for the first months that people should send in complaints, but obviously a lot of new players and people on switch aren't going to nor know that's a thing to do.....
Really they shouldn't even be making it just Discord to get things through, there should be a link right as you get to the log in page to somewhere people can send in stuff

[warm python]

I always have to remind myself when buying digital items for an online game that one day I will lose them, there will always be an end of service date, but preferably not like, an error that yeets me into the void lmfao

[lean berry]

some games become effectivly 'offline single player games'

[celest maple]

If it became dual where i could single player or multiplayer i would be estatic cuz my internet is TRASH, the smoke shop i work at, their internet is better than at home

[scarlet hazel]

ngl with how unprofessonal s6 is im surprised they haven't gotten sued yet at all. esp by the ppl who lost everything and barely got anything in composition.

[copper warren]

it's where i belong

[celest maple]

Free realms scarred me with that

[fiery perch]

*moreso just adding onto what youre saying

In general i struggle with the 'beta' excuse, since it isnt advertised as such anymore. Switch straight up doesn't have it say anywhere, even while loading [unlike Steam, that ppl try to argue when this gets brought up].

I think that's also one of the other reasons why I think some of the critique is warranted. Some switch players might just not know it's in beta. Bleh.

[lean berry]

I swear I've seen some not so subtle references to other IPs with some of their premium outfits

[sick wadi]

I don't see where you lost anything by buying the 425 coins. You paid the regular price, and any day you log in you get an extra 30 coins

[celest maple]

When i logged in on my pc i was shocked that its still in beta

[warm python]

isn't one of their outfits basically We Have Genshin At Home

[loud laurel]

it's just because the population is dying and they want a reason to get people to log in every day, and pay for it lol

[rare pine]

I appreciate your level-headed takes in these convos Valk.

[fiery perch]

Yes.

[scarlet hazel]

some are just blantant imo. palia is prob very under the radar for them to not end up getting hit with a lawsuit

[celest maple]

Also whats up with the lack of premium coins when you buy them on pc not going to the switch?

[marsh depot]

Boy do I have some news for you..

[lean berry]

yup. And the 'Warhammer at home'-esq 'armor' or military outfits....

[copper warren]

got that sunhaven "full release but we don't have an ending haha" energy

[celest maple]

Sunrise is taking too long!

[fiery perch]

The sun haven stuff that has been surfacing lately.......

[scarlet hazel]

palia wishes it had the conent sun haven has lol

[warm python]

Lmao I was starting to watch a video on Sunhaven before I crawled back to my computer

[marsh depot]

It reminds me so much of the Chucklefish fiasco from years ago.

[lean berry]

The moment FFXIV gets even more cozy content, Palia could be cooked I fear

[copper warren]

since i played from the start, i knew the horrors behind the scenes. stopped playing when their DLC catalogue - no matter how cosmetic - became something like a sims catalogue

[lean berry]

I hated that situation......

[scarlet hazel]

idk what the chucklefish thing is

[loud laurel]

"ItS BeTa!" bruh- they havent put out any meaningful content in months, just cash shop to capitalize on the players that are left and havent quit yet

[copper warren]

i got to the end of sunhaven's release story and i cannot express to you how much the momentum of doing ||both routes for the final boss|| and there was no ending was like running full force into a brick wall. i had to wait a month for an ending, and it was so subpar i just couldn't care anymore

[lean berry]

tthey 'helped' concernedape make Stardew

[brisk spruce]

this is waaay late so not pinging but this is true of tons of f2p games, warframe's endgame being called "fashionframe" for example ||don't mind me I'm just backreading||

[fiery perch]

this makes me feel a little better that i never continued the game. I got annoyed i couldn't place path tiles ontop of the little stair area on your farm, to match with the bottom one, not to mention other issues witht he decorating 💀

it made me sad so i just stopped to move onto something else.

[lean berry]

the ending fiascos of Mass Effect.....

[loud laurel]

not having an in game rotating clothing store similar to how the furniture store works is such a missed mark, but hey, GOTTA SELL MORE COSTUMES

[scarlet hazel]

i still love sun haven but ive also been running wild with my own story in my head about it

[marsh depot]

I'm pretty certain they only distributed it. But they worked on Starbound and it was found they were exploiting free contributors during development, many of them underage and given no compensation.

[fiery perch]

but yeah, with the stuff coming out with Sunhaven atm ... yeah, i def wont be recommending it to friends anymore haha 💀

fields of mistria all the way now [for me].

[lean berry]

there's one other cozy game that's IN GENUINE BETA that ACTUALLY HAS A RELEASED ROADMAP that y'all may like in the meantime; Fields of Mistria!

[fiery perch]

heh, Grauel. same hat

[copper warren]

it really sucks because you can see the passion and love that the devs put in, but the executives are so rotten you can't save it without extracting them

[scarlet hazel]

fields of mistria is so so good... i can't wait til i can buy the game

[neat compass]

I honestly don't hate the loyalty club system. You get your money's worth right off the bat with the potential to earn more by logging in every day. I think it's fair, it doesn't feel gross, and other games certainly use similar systems and it works just fine. However, I don't think the timing is great for this. I need more reasons to log in every day. What is the point in logging in every day to earn currency when there isn't any content that warrants me logging in daily?

In today's dev blog, they acknowledged the lack of content recently and cited Elderwoods as the reason why. A few paragraphs later, they introduced a loyalty system which requires us to log in daily to receive the max benefits. This is what frustrates me. The devs claim to be aware that we don't have enough content, but then they still ask us to keep coming back and giving them our money. I'm tired of them asking for our patience, our time, our support, our money, when they won't give us functional content or consistent, transparent communication in return.

[copper warren]

and yeah, mistria is such a wonderful game. i've followed the careers of most of the developers for over a decade, and the owners are the creators of pusheen. they have the money and business knowledge to back themselves up.

[lean berry]

woah wait, PUSHEEN? Okay I love them more now

[scarlet hazel]

i cant wait for the march update :3

[copper warren]

yep! i didn't believe it at first, but i did some small digging and found out that the Andrew and Clare are pusheen's creators!

[loud laurel]

"What is the point in logging in every day to earn currency when there isn't any content that warrants me logging in daily? "

thats exactly why, theyre not putting out any meaningful content updates...just premium content, so the population is slowing down.
I think its scummy because theyre basically like "We want you to buy more premium currency... AND make you feel forced to play the game every day for a month!"

[lean berry]

wait, that reminded me; GUYS I found out that we're getting a Makeship plushie of a Maji!

[marsh depot]

I'll be honest, a few months back, I would've definitely purchased it. But at this point, it just feels like yet another attempt to get players logging in to make up for the lack of content and bug fixes.

[scarlet hazel]

i wonder how many people wont be getting their maji plush on top of their chapaa holders

[lean berry]

now THAT is up to Makeship thankfully, not them

[copper warren]

yeah, the fault falls on madrinas

[scarlet hazel]

true. i doubt they'll hit a goal tho and if they somehow do, the numbers have to be inflated

[loud laurel]

Like this game is going to fail if they keep going like this, and thats really sad because it has such great potential and whats there is great, but the greed is going to kill it. It's going to get to a point where the games population is so dead that theres no reason to put out content updates, and try to squeeze as much money out of the premium store as they can before the game is abandoned

[copper warren]

eh! if the plush is designed well, it'll sell well.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, im conflicted on it for a few reasons. THe reason you said, and even tho it doesnt 'feel gross' i still think the value is strange in comparison to other games.

But that aside, i also dont hate it, just feel conflicted.

[copper warren]

generic blue asian dragon designs are huge hits with anything

[lean berry]

I may get it solely bc this is the kinda stuff they should have already been doing

WITH Makeship, consistently! Physical merch that delivers is always a great breadmaker

[fiery perch]

The plush? They will hit a goal.

[neat compass]

This is absolutely what I'm struggling with too. At face value, the loyalty system seems okay. But when you place it in a game like Palia (in its current state), it doesn't feel right.

[fiery perch]

Fun Fact: they did this before with a chapaa plush way back when

Im not sure why they didnt try to do it more often since then, personally, too. Esp cuz a lot of ppl seemed to like that chapaa plush.

[lean berry]

was it also makeship or some other plushie maker?

[fiery perch]

Makeship!

[bleak lichen]

Woah

[lean berry]

hope the previous scandal doesn't happen again....

[bleak lichen]

What’s happening

[lean berry]

but then again, my Purple: DC combo plushes came perfectly fine.....

Maybe they got better since then?

[rare pine]

My sister bought the game on Switch and it didn't fricken work.

[fiery perch]

Yeah, like. It's a good start, you know. But the value still seems off. Esp comparing the final coins you get [if you login everyday], compared to outfit prices.

and also when i can't help but compare it to other games that have a similar system. Just feels odd to me and like the value doesnt fit, but like. again, at least it's more than the 425 that you usually get, if you login at least every once in a while. I guess.

[copper warren]

i don't fault them for trying to fish for metrics, as that's the lifeblood of any game, but i agree that it's... not the way they should be doing this. they should have had more reasons to log in every day like many, many yesterdays ago, and make this just a bonus incentive for people who wanted to throw their support at the company

[loud laurel]

yeah the switch port is awful, its too weak of a platform honestly. My friend who only plays on switch cant see like 50% of the game

[fiery perch]

this is one of the things that a video brought up. The game on Switch [sun haven], is such a buggy mess and all that stuff.

[copper warren]

yeahhhhh. it's a mess. it was a mess on PC as it is.

[lean berry]

tbh they should have FREE daily login award system along side this paid one

[bleak lichen]

I mean at least it’s not like Wizard 101 where a paywall is REQUIRED to progress

[fiery perch]

the chapaa plush that was on makeship, back in 2023, if you were curious!

[loud laurel]

just the fact that theres no in game clothing store just so people have to spend real money on cosmetics is so gross

[lean berry]

advertise the extra stuff you'll get daily if you buy the premium WITH the free log in rewards

that's what all the F2P people do and it works!

[marsh depot]

And that's great! But for me and others who don't have incentives to log in daily, it's left us with mixed opinions.

[copper warren]

that's a reasonable practice if you have expendible income. i always tell people that if they want to spend money on a game, to only spend as much as they think the game in its current state deserves. pay proportionate to the fun you're having.

[lean berry]

it looks..... like it has a skin condition.... no offence to s6

[fiery perch]

It's most likely going to be, you pay for that month, then you can pay for it again to renew it the month after. that's how it works in other games.

[polar elbow]

I feel like there's ways to make the loyalty card better without introducing an element of FOMO to it (must log in every day or you lose out on the bonus coins)
I think that's why it rubs me the wrong way, even if it's marketing itself as "425 + daily bonuses for the next 30 days of logins, it's still, in a sense, got flavors of FOMO in it.... when the initial monetization blog's promises were all about not pushing FOMO as a sales tactic

[marsh depot]

Presciely this, I don't log in Palia enough nowadays to justify the $5 currently. If I started playing again, then sure.

[copper warren]

it's the dramatic differences in material; if the tan part was as fluffy, it'd look less like chapaa pattern baldness

[fiery perch]

This is def the other issue, too, yeah.

[lean berry]

it doesn't NEED to be fluffy, my LORD 😭
s6 in 2023 were terrible plushie designers

[marsh depot]

I do wonder if the players who are not fond of battlepasses in Palia are okey with the loyalty system or not.

[loud laurel]

nope

[lean berry]

Sadly, FOMO is the best marketing tactic. But I wish they'd be more... tactful with it

[copper warren]

it's half theirs and half makeship's. it's entirely possible that the fabrics they had for the plush were limited in colour and material. it happens a lot with plushmakers

[fiery perch]

But like, again, def a good start. And I at least do like that they addressed how communication stinks sometimes and they want to try to communicate more. Hopefully this actually ends up being the case and they do communicate more.

[umbral lynx]

everytime i see this thing i assume it is a joke

lil mans looks like he needs help

[polar elbow]

I would be fine with it if it was just "the loyalty card lasts until you've logged in for 30 days total" and not
"the loyalty card lasts 30 days whether you log on or not, and if you don't log on every day, you miss out on any bonus coins for those days"

[marsh depot]

FOMO can definitely work (look at HSR and Infinity Nikki) but in Palia it feels so out of place because they had first stated they would not have FOMO content and then the Umbral Owl happened.

[loud laurel]

we want people to play the game more because its dying, and pay for it! 🤡

[lean berry]

they have said a LOT unfortunately in the past.... a lot of thinsg they've gone back on

[copper warren]

ain't nothin like time sensitive purchases to make me feel at home in my cozy game :)

[lean berry]

if they time gate my goth spooky experience any more......

[fiery perch]

Yse, said it'd be back at some point, but it's still FOMO and will make people feel like they HAVE to purcahse something before it disappears.

[copper warren]

live, laugh, spend

[lean berry]

and then infected with mange.....

[marsh depot]

I'm aware, it still makes it some sort of FOMO and they said it might come back when first released and disguised it as a Black Friday sale.

[umbral lynx]

[fiery perch]

oh you mean the 'sale' where it was the same price as the other wols?

[copper warren]

it is, indeed, still fomo, unfortunately :c

[copper warren]

oh thank god for whoever created that

[fiery perch]

Aren't they still in the shop? Been a while since I looked /gen

[lean berry]

slams fists on table

when are we getting proper full face makeup? I neeeeed my face fully smacked with makeup!!!

[umbral lynx]

steal it use it i got the png somewhere if needed

[loud laurel]

next cash shop item incoming

[warm python]

something something clown makeup joke here

[lean berry]

tbh I'd be fine with it being in there, it just.... needs to EXSIST

[lean berry]

YES I'd adore that. Clowns4Lyfe!

[umbral lynx]

take one for the team and find out for us jkjk

[hexed cloak]

Yes they are. They never left actually

[pulsar meteor]

turns out neither did halloween

[fiery perch]

EVAN .... youre not wrong

[lean berry]

it's

eternal halloween!

[copper warren]

i would like scar skin items, honestly. i have a few facial scars and i love all of them, and i like when devs add them in (tastefully)

[fiery perch]

I read scar and immediatley thought of Scar the Lion from Lion King

[alpine cliff]

We're seriously getting a new way to spend money before Elderwoods?

[lean berry]

https://tenor.com/view/yui-cry-k-on-anime-sad-gif-17395998

[copper warren]

(tastefully is the hard part, any sort of skin cosmetics tend to toe a line between acceptable and offensive)

[lean berry]

his makeup/scar, too

[livid lagoon]

From what it says. Say you buy it on 25th of Jan. You immediately get 425 coins. You log on the day after (26th), you get 30 coins free. You log on the day after (27th) you get another 30 coins. Log on next day (28th) you get another 30 coins. This continues for a total of 30 days. If you fail to log in for one of those days, you miss out on those 30 coins.

[lean berry]

I don't think adding scars could be seen as offensive really? You could say you got it while hunting, no? Or cooking?

[loud laurel]

"we havent had a dev updats in 5 months, so heres some more cash shop content before elderwoods comes in 5 more months"!!! basically

[umbral lynx]

deserves to be put on the fridge

[copper warren]

i can think of quite a few ways it could get offensive

[lean berry]

just copy ffxiv's homework then, dusts hands off job well done

[alpine cliff]

I'm also full on assuming that the wedding decor will be RNG base, because why the heck not!?

[loud laurel]

killing their own game before its even popular, we hate to see it

[lean berry]

...wedding decor? WITHOUT being able to marry yet??

[fiery perch]

Oh right, the wedding decor. I'm ready for people to think that means you can marry NPCs [or other players.]

Like people thought when the wedding gown outfits released.

[lean berry]

I hope it's them preparing for that....

[copper warren]

it's in the teaser!

[lean berry]

wedding decor, located solely in Zeki's gatcha machine....

[copper warren]

i would be so mad

[alpine cliff]

I'm really getting tired of these updates.

[loud laurel]

you ain't the only one

[copper warren]

if it's in gacha or the hotpot wheel, i would collapse into myself and explode like a neutron star

[fiery perch]

I wouldn't have high hopes-- but the only reason I say this, is since there are wedding gowns in the premium shop. Unless they had wedding attire that is free... that would make that function a premium/paid thing :[

And they did mention they are trying not to do that kind of thing [game mechanics being paid for]...

[umbral lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-hello-i-like-money-interview-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10015058

not me forgetting that we cant just post gifs here free will style i aint fix that

[copper warren]

you can pinpoint exactly when daybreak got involved

[alpine cliff]

Good! Let the player count fall further. This is getting ridiculous

[lean berry]

again, steal FFXIV's homework! Make a free version and then have a NOT free version that gives you stuff to make it ~lavesh~ without all the extra hard work doing it yourself

[sick wadi]

Some people wouldn't be able to play at all if it weren't for F2P

[lean berry]

I'm of the mind of 'did it do well in another game? Let's see how our players like it as a test run' even if we hate it

hence 'free version' being included

[fiery perch]

What is this in comment/response to? /gen

[lean berry]

you'd get married either way, just the premium version would add some ~razzmataz~

[alpine cliff]

There isn't enough content to justify making two versions of this game. Nor does it match the gameplay requirements to justify paying for a paid version.

[loud laurel]

because why give it for free when people are willing to buy it

[fiery perch]

if it's in regards to what Grauel is saying, they aren't saying a premium version of the game. Theyre saying a premium version of a Marriage mechanic

[lean berry]

if we ever get one

it's a way to like, give both sides something. Don't care for a fancy shindig? Free version! Want some fancy stuff with it and have money? This way for premium!

[fiery perch]

I was going to say something about how they mentioned in the past, if something is free, they didnt want to make it premium, and vice versa.... but they already have gone back on that with emotes lol

[marsh depot]

Reminder F2P isn't charity, it's a business model.

[loud laurel]

their business model clearly isnt working, and releasing content for money is going to be the final nail if it comes to that

[copper warren]

i leave you all with this, and then stare longingly at the hotpot tables, too afraid to ask to join

[lean berry]

did. you not read the 'free' aspect

[marsh depot]

Not to mention the fact other games have gone the F2P route with more success.

[warm python]

lmfkjashdjkas I love this

[copper warren]

dril is a godsend

[loud laurel]

yeah 4k average player population ... like the numbers speak for themselves

its really a shame, because its such a great game

[lean berry]

I'd like to avoid doomposting, complaining is a smidge different than that

[loud laurel]

It not doomposting if its a literal fact

[lean berry]

doomposting can be fact, doesn't stop it from being what it is

[fiery perch]

that is only on steam, though. we dont know what the player count for switch, or the launcher, is. [i'd say and epic, but idk anybody who plays the game thru epic launcher]

only reason im saying that is because, i do know a handful of ppl who do play ons witch and only on switch.

i dont doubt the player count is going down on those platforms too, tho.

[umbral lynx]

switch players who cant load the game....

[vestal fiber]

Stickers........

[fiery perch]

i do find looking at numbers like that interesting in a sense, overall though. whether it's negative or positive

[loud laurel]

assuming how poorly the game runs on switch i would doubt its anything significant

[fiery perch]

yeah. like i dont think it's up that high at all. esp since i know ther eare ppl who cant load the game on switch or just get tired of the performance

[warm python]

honestly there's probably a dril post for every occassion

[lean berry]

dril is the everyman, all hail dril

[copper warren]

there is. i keep the dumpster dive one on hand for all purposes

[warm python]

I keep the budget one on hand for every time I spend a stupid amount of money on something I really shouldn't

[lean berry]

someone edit Dril's pfp onto the Emperor of Mankind's face and I'd bow

[polar elbow]

Steam charts is not good at telling you the active playercount for a multi-platform game, but it is generally still good at seeing overall trends in player count over time.

[vestal fiber]

I don't even know how stickers could be in terms of use but ugh. "Hey we keep hearing you guys want f2p clothing that isn't basic? Here is a sticker!!!"

[fiery perch]

yeah this is sort of what i meant with what i was saying, ty for explaining this better lol

[fiery perch]

im thinking it might be like sprays that some shooters have [like OW], or almost like an emote similar to what Fortnite [and also OW] has ...?

[loud laurel]

The game cant even load 50% of the items in the game on the switch, so I wouldnt consider that player population to be anything close to steam, and the numbers are dwindling there

[lime granite]

And the froggy outfit that was free when you did the switch link

[marsh depot]

Basically how I felt too. If the stickers are anything like the ones in Valorant I'm not gonna be happy.

[fiery perch]

I mean, I agree, but we're just saying it's hard to judge. Some people can only play on switch, even if the performance sucks. again, like. i just like seeing numbers when it comes to that. i find it interesting overall.

[fiery perch]

honestly will forever be sad by this.
and the froggy bucket. im still hit by major fomo from this bc i didnt know it was limited time

[snow grove]

They will prob be way worse, this dev team is worse than Fntastic

[lean berry]

The stickers thing DOES steam me, like... I get people loving stickers but... do they think we're either all babies or obsessed with that stuff?

[loud laurel]

I find it interesting too, and i want the game to succeed with my whole heart, but Steam being the biggest platform by far, and the numbers are in the 4ks.. Like if they keep with the same update style with just premium content every month, and one content update a year its not going to make it

[vestal fiber]

Or they might come with graphical glitches like the snowballs

[fiery perch]

Still think Stickers if they were in a Sticker Book, to track your collection [like the plushie book, which also says the rarity/how to obtain them, etc etc..] would of been cuter and a nice way to incorporate them... esp if you can share/showcase your "sticker book/collection book" with others, in game...

[marsh depot]

I just also don't see how they correlate with more customisation either. It's just another thing to collect.

[snow grove]

They added back the snowballs? Haven't played in a few months, been waiting for any new content but that's still 3 months away according to their blog post

[marsh depot]

This reminds me a bit of the ones that we had on Club Penguin, I think they were called "pins"?

[vestal fiber]

Yeah like I don't like stickers!! It's not my thing! And it's a completely different mechanic from what has been asked for!

[lean berry]

S6: Send us feedback on what you want!
Us all: Free non premium outfits!
S6: Aw, cute, you guys used the feedback section, here's some stickers~ smacks them on our faces

[snow grove]

To be fair, they still haven't fixed the constant crashing but yanno STICKERS!

[lean berry]

that's how I feel about the stickers....

[loud laurel]

heres some stickers, AAAAND more premium outfits!

[copper warren]

man thank god i didn't have major tasks to get done today, this is the most i've socialized in a while

[snow grove]

And a stupid version of a battlepass

[lean berry]

their AI skimmed 'more' and 'clothes' and the word premium, and ommited the 'non-' in it....

[vestal fiber]

I haven't used them but as far as I know yeah! But they came with a big flashing light glitch that still hadn't been fixed last I checked

[meager glade]

Just checking cuz I hardly play now, can we sell furniture back yet?

[loud laurel]

yeah that battlepass is literally "we want you to be consistent in playing the game because the population is dying AND WE WANT YOU TO PAY FOR IT" like bruh

[fiery perch]

no

[lean berry]

combining a discount battlepass with the usually-free log in reward system

[snow grove]

The best choice I made was moving off from this game, had good potential but sadly when Daybreak bought them I was prepared for this

[loud laurel]

theyre just trying to keep the people they have i guess

[meager glade]

Alright then, guess I’m still waiting to come back 😅 Thank you!

[loud laurel]

yeah its so sad

[fiery perch]

Valid. I just hope we can gift or trade furniture with friends one of these days.

Or de-construct furniture we've already made for some materials back.

[meager glade]

I spend so much resources and such on furniture, some kind of return would be nice lol

[snow grove]

We have go to a specific spot, at a specific time of day, and then you have pay premium to do it /s

[lean berry]

You know what the most common dev excuse for not being able to trade stuff is? 'it'll break the economy!' but WHAT economy here???

[copper warren]

localized ENTIRELY within the underground

[vestal fiber]

Giving them ideas shhhh (jk)

[snow grove]

I gave them plenty of ideas on how to improve this mess, they don't listen to us HA

[meager glade]

Hopefully they will cuz I do enjoy the game, but that’s killing some of the joy for me lol

[loud laurel]

I'm sure if you have suggestions on how to get people to spend more money on the cash shop they'd listen

[lean berry]

they need to MAKE an economy to be able to break it. Give us a marketplace to see what happens.

[copper warren]

i wonder if part of it is that they're trying to keep it "community friendly" and might fear that the request system would tank in usage if people could turn to trading for average items. or maybe are concerned that players will be able to burn through content too fast if they could buy/sell what they need and not touch the game much.

[snow grove]

What content?

[meager glade]

If they just let me sell back to the dang cat lol

[lean berry]

ffxiv showed us that supply and demand will always come first

[copper warren]

the vague dustings spread across 2 hours of interaction at most!

[lean berry]

a material takes forever to get but you could feasably get it yourself? Go do that bc it's EXPENSIVE on that market! Go also get some of that money, too

[snow grove]

Ah, you mean the 8 min fetch quests! I forgot about those

[lean berry]

then give us a money sink

[snow grove]

Gold becomes useless like 50% of the way in the game

[lean berry]

that's how an economy works in player driven ones, as far as I've seen

[lean berry]

hence a money sink

[copper warren]

i would even accept being able to sell furniture for the total cost of material sell price just so i don't lose out on something when i'm faced with the choice of what i want to get rid of so my brain can process the swaths of items i won't use

[snow grove]

That would require them working

[lean berry]

someone from Square enix needs to teach some of the people working on this game how to make an economy, I swear

[fiery perch]

My concept for trading:

Flea Market area. Neutral spot. Maybe used at the festival grounds when it isnt Maji Market time or something. Or some area in Kilima. In this area, you can have a stall. Your own stall.

This stall could be something that you create yourself with materials, but you can also decorate it. hey, maybe with those stickers..., maybe some other stuff. Either way, it can help show that creativity if you wish.

You can sell some items here or trade. These items, they could be at a set price [maybe a bit above Zeki's sell price, to compensate for time]. Coudl also be trading which is 1 item is equal to another, maybe if they wer ein the same rarity?

NPCs could also come over and look around, say random dialogue. "Ooh! This looks interesting!".

This would help with socailization, give ppl more ways to earn gold and do a skill they enjoy, and help with accessiblity since it'd be a way for players to get, idk a fish maybe, that they couldn't get before due to whatever reason they may have.

This would also be some sort of way to trade furniture and stuff, too.

[copper warren]

i would actually like this a lot.

[snow grove]

We have a gifting system already, just take all restrictions away from it

[raven orbit]

I think a common excuse people use to not add trading is "but what if gold sellers!!" or "what if people start paying real money for in game items" both of which are a non-issue really

[lean berry]

ohh, the Harvest Moon spin with npc buyers~~

[loud laurel]

theres like 0 reason why we shouldnt be able to deconstruct stuff we craft to get the materials or even some of the materials back

they just have so little content in the game, that if they took away everyone having to craft, they would just trade for furniture then have nothing left to do

[snow grove]

That takes away from grinding materials, they can't have people just getting them back for free

[fiery perch]

yeah, this is why i think maybe a set price would help imho. because then at least, there is no real 'competition' still. there is no "Auction house". it's just stuff ppl are wanting to try to sell and get rid of already.

[raven orbit]

I wouldn't even mind if trading required spending a bit of renown to do. We have plenty with no way to spend it anyways

[copper warren]

actually, RMT is very insidious and does do a lot of harm in the long run.

[lean berry]

also! we need 'repeatable' quests- Radiant Quests I think they're called? Just to DO stuff for stuff sometimes. Or NPC requests that are less... sporatic, like Stardew

[fiery perch]

and i like the gift system, and yeah if there were the restrictions lifted, it'd help. Def. but at least if there was a little flea market area, it'd still promote more socialization and feel more 'lively' [in my opinion, anyways.]

[loud laurel]

why release gameplay updates to benefit the game, when we can just throw stuff into the premium shop and make money before the game eventually fizzles away? 🧠

[lean berry]

they're moreso saying that they're dealing with an issue they don't even need to worry about having yet

[vestal fiber]

Or let us sell furniture to Tish to sell to other places for gold!! 🙏

[snow grove]

But what competition is in this game

[lean berry]

yeah, I figured that's what you meant

[fiery perch]

Flow Tree Groves /joking

[lean berry]

I am so glad I've not met those AWFUL people yet

[snow grove]

It's a whole non-issue. There is no way to get premium, progression is a joke anyway, gold isnt an issue for most long term players, there is 0 advantages given.

[loud axle]

(it's the second one)

[lean berry]

the moment it does? Sure, add extra protection

[polar elbow]

I could grow to like stickers as a concept if done well but it would really need to be done well
for example, something like:

1. rework achievements into a sticker book that can be shown to others outside your plot
2. completing an achievement awards a sticker design, which could be applied to multiple systems ingame, as a few examples/concepts:
   -apply to outfits in the form of sew-on patches (give jel some purpose outside of prem shop please)
   -ability to apply unlocked sticker designs to walls/banners as decals
   -create a custom nameplate using multiple unlocked stickers/achieves

[copper warren]

i wouldn't really say that, either. the moment when currency is transferrable, RMT is immediately capable. there doesn't need to be competition for RMT to do damage, it could be as simple as people not having to spend as much time in a game to get things done, which leads to terrible player retention, then worsening metrics, which leads to investors and executives starting to pull out.

[kindred pasture]

I don't collect plushies. I don't care about collecting stickers. I just want to finish the final quests for Tish, Reth, and Zeki

[fiery perch]

(Hi Roan, Appreciate u)

[raven orbit]

Meh. In a competitive game I'd agree, but in the case of Palia I don't. I don't see much point in trying to dictate what players do in their own circles in game. Someone choosing to potentially spend irl money for someone to get them materials in game doesn't affect me at all. /gen

[lean berry]

I hate that the stickers announcement is so vague....

[snow grove]

They would have to just say, nothing premium related will be gained. Done, Devs I fixed the issue

[rain wharf]

Yessss. This ^ I also want “jobs” where you have to gather more things, or even where other players can enter in a list and you can claim their list and gather things for them. Like instacart grocery shopping but in Palia 😂😂😂

[fiery perch]

well, at least we'll see what they are exactly tomorrow via patch notes. i guess

[snow grove]

What's sad is Fable 1,2,3 did jobs in games like this years ago

[raven orbit]

I worry that they didn't show them because they know it's going to be a let down

[lean berry]

and they have the whole minigame system for cooking they could use for it, too! Already built in!

[marsh depot]

Granted but they're really cornering themselves with the whole "no competition" aspect yet they still have such a tendency to nerf skills and not implement features that could actually enhance gameplay.

[vestal fiber]

The only way I could see stickers as customizable in terms of player customization is maybe the glider??? That's the easiest patchworky thing I can thing, other than being sprayable. But I really doubt they're gonna do that

[snow grove]

We saved the city!.....erm Game!

[rain wharf]

I’ve never played fable. I wish Palia had more options to help others. I just want to scavenge all the things for players and their weekly wants lol 😂 I’m already out of quests and I want more reasons to play lol 😂

[snow grove]

Grinding is the gameplay

[copper warren]

i want to be able to get more than one of the non-repeatable items by being able to ask an NPC to maybe make them for me, but having to collect the stuff to make them

[snow grove]

You were able to join another players game and assist them with quests, they had bartending, bard, shooting jobs and such after the main game to keep it somewhat fresh

[lean berry]

on my 'repeatable quest' idea, no S6, I don't mean me having to redo a friendship quest because you didn't log in my quest log that thing being finished....

[rare pine]

It would be kinda useless then cuz how much attention do people pay to gliders. I only spare them a glance at most.

[copper warren]

yeah, the tendency to nerf things is exhausting. don't take things away, improve things around it to balance.

[rare pine]

Did you say 10 more mining nerfs?/s

[lean berry]

stickers..... on your.... gear you use for stuff? Like hatchet, pickaxe, ect?

[vestal fiber]

I think sprayable is already useless if it follows the trend of other games

[snow grove]

I was just about to bring up the mining nerfs last year and how much everyone hated it

[lean berry]

unless the sprayable stickers are designs that are repeatable.....

[raven orbit]

I can't see it being something overlayed onto tools/gliders/clothes. That would have required them to go through every item in game and add slots for the stickers and I can't see them doing that - unless they already had stickers in the pipeline.

[snow grove]

They might be what mobile games do, we have 2 stickers 1 is A rank and the other is SSS rank and so much more cooler and red!

[pulsar meteor]

i think we've seen enough struggles with mapping textures to places, i highly doubt they would go with the 'sprays' approach. especially since as soon as you leave, there's nothing to tie it to you/ show off

[snow grove]

I should stop giving them ideas

[marsh depot]

Don't forget the cooking nerfs. Meant to be only cakes but they decided to just nerf cooking altogether. As if many people didn't already dislike it.

[lean berry]

...another 'eh' idea would be the stickers are yet another thing to add onto your plot that are varying in sizes, and akin to plushies, but wall decor

[brisk spruce]

I gave up on backreading, y'all talkin too much today /lh
but hello everyone

[snow grove]

Yo!

[raven orbit]

I think they're honestly just going to be something you select in a wheel and it pops up beside your character for a few seconds

[empty hawk]

Ah. So they still haven't fixed Tamara's cauldron I see.

[lean berry]

so, discount carpy emote stuff?

[snow grove]

And then they will make them into their premium packs and charge less (Im done giving them ideas)

[fiery perch]

pawmot what happened to you-

[raven orbit]

$15 for one chappa wave sticker please!!

[vestal fiber]

Premium stickers I can already see it

[pulsar meteor]

this seems the most feasible, even if i'm still perplexed by the whole thing

[copper warren]

olive oil :c

[snow grove]

That better be the SSS ranked sticker or I'm not buying /s

[rare pine]

That would make stickers redundant though, right? since we already have emotes(?)

[brisk spruce]

tomorrow will be the first update since mid december, here's hoping 🙃

[snow grove]

Yes, this is why the idea is stupid

[copper warren]

it could be chat stickers

[vestal fiber]

true

[rare pine]

When the chat is always breaking???

[copper warren]

they're just bigger emotes, really

[polar elbow]

basically, my concern is that stickers still won't be a way to persistently show off your accomplishments in a way that's actually visible
if it turns out to be what froggies described, it's just going to be.... really disappointing

[raven orbit]

the only reason I semi understand if it is that is because fortnite has them 🤣

[copper warren]

it would just make sense for them to add features to already tenuously working things

[snow grove]

99% of free to play games have them to bulk up their premium offerings and say, "Hey, you guys get 10 items instead of 6"

[fiery perch]

and hoping for snowballs to be fixed. 🙏

[empty hawk]

Unfortunately I got to Tish's quest for the potion right after the update that broke it, and at this point with all the work they've done putting the store above problem solving I wouldn't be surprised if the bug fix is $20 in the premium store.

[copper warren]

the number of times they've added clothing sets, but my avatar is constantly changing to default woman head on checkerboard texture missing default body model shows it

[fiery perch]

and at least, working on fixing the screen fully going white and flashbanging that wya, too. but. you know.

[brisk spruce]

if they're not I can't join LNY so... very much yes

[snow grove]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[marsh depot]

So... League of Legends emotes?

[snow grove]

At least they haven't released a $500 skin......yet

[raven orbit]

I don't play, but basically 🤣

[marsh depot]

Don't give them ideas

[copper warren]

they lock bug fixes 2 months in advance, sadly, so we wouldn't have gotten a fix sooner :c the idea of a hotfix is lost on them, unless it's like that server issue we had last month

[lyric night]

exactly that but at least they are not 4$ like in league I guuuesss

[snow grove]

At this point, I want a salary from them 💸

[marsh depot]

But you can/could earn them for free I gueeeees

[loud laurel]

500 dollar skin coming before any significant gameplay content update or a single crumb of bug fix - I'd believe it

F Palia, you coulda been great

[snow grove]

We still got 3 months before a broken Elderwoods though! Huh, does that tickle your fancy

[copper warren]

you're paid in gratitude!

[snow grove]

Damn corpo america gets me again!

[raven orbit]

I hope it's worth the hype, I'll cry if it's just two new foragables and one animal

[lean berry]

I hate that when you change genders in Jel's shop, it DEFAULTS your voice, and there's no preview for the voices in there either, you gotta either just ~know~ or... look it up?

[lyric night]

yeah it became their "throw at our players whenever we feel like it" thing

[loud laurel]

this bot does a better job regulating the discord than the devs do their own game... crazy

[snow grove]

Well from looking at other sites and their scrapped data, it's at least some more items than 3 haha

[vestal fiber]

Palium better be the base ore because it's so scarce whenever I go to mine it

[empty hawk]

One claw machine token, take it or leave it.

[lean berry]

looking at chat announce palium but it's just a tiny one. Every. Dang. Time.

[marsh depot]

Still better than what we get from Palia 🤷‍♀️ Plus, it's fun flashing them while playing arams.

[copper warren]

IF it's in 4 months; Q2 is anywhere from april through june (and could be pushed back again)

[vestal fiber]

Or it's a big one all the way across the map that despawns just as I get to it

[pulsar meteor]

but what if you could announce it with a chat sticker you got for mining a thousand nodes?

(is that how those work there? iunno)

[lean berry]

only way I see that being useful is if we get all the node sizes as stickers

[marsh depot]

As long as the chat isn't broken

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[copper warren]

and still no starred ruby

[lean berry]

watch us earn the palium stickers by..... mining a million palium nodes

[copper warren]

i'd leave the earth

[empty hawk]

Only if it's a community goal.

[copper warren]

i'd sooner asphyxiate in the atmosphere

[rare pine]

I expect the stickers to be a grindfest tbh.

[raven orbit]

Knowing them they'd make you have to be the first hit on the node for it to count 🤣

[lyric night]

it is yeah, never said otherwise/ didn't want to give the impression if that's how my message was received
(love the emotes that come with an annoying sound )

[lean berry]

Imagine getting a dead chapaa (amongst other dead animal stickers, but no blood) for the hunting stickers achievement(s)