💬│palia-discussions

[pearl wave]

Is fixing flickering issues and snowballs flashbangs in the works too?

[pallid ferry]

I haven't been able to replicate my screen whiting-out again (it's safe for me to test) for any bug submission. It was so random, I hope they find the cause for that one soon.

[granite crag]

I was able to replicate it by flipping thru home tours, after a handful of times it triggered for me.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[teal badger]

Me too !

[brisk spruce]

opening the home tour board a few times triggered it for me too. luckily I wasnt looking at the screen when it loaded lol

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[west marlin]

It's nice to see you post more WC. Now tell us....what do we do with the cursed honey you gave us.... 😂

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[left saddle]

I consumed it 😄

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pallid ferry]

You spread it on the lettuce.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[warm condor]

Hello! Is the item limit messed up for anyone else? Or do you have stuff randomly moved around? I will be 25 under the limit, then the next day when I log in I'll be 15 over the limit. Plus some of my machines, crafting table and modification bench keep getting randomly moved so they're floating out in front of my land.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[hard basin]

There's a list of items classed as "Global actors" which count towards your plot limit for all plots #💬│palia-general message
Stations and crafters are tricky indoors when they are not directly touching the ground, perhaps you have them on builder blocks?

[olive carbon]

I've been wondering if anyone's been testing the new items lately- I was curious if yardwork items night contribute to the global count but promptly forgot to test it lol

[warm condor]

Yeah, they're on building blocks. Is that a common glitch? And why does my plot limit change overnight by itself?

Like I will be under the limit, close my game, log in the next morning and the item limit increased by 40 when I'm not even in game?

[olive carbon]

Not only is it being caused by the global actors mortis linked, but the plot item counter is bugged too

[warm condor]

Ohhhhh, okay. I just wanted to make sure it’s not just me! 😂

[hard basin]

Simply go in and out of your plot so it can update to see the effect, this is what I usually tell everyone after their long session of building/decor time.

[warm condor]

The first few times it happened, I thought I had done something, but it is definitely happening. A few times, I have even deleted a bunch of stuff from my plot so I was under the limit, only for my item count to rise overnight.

I have tried going in and out of my plot as well as closing the game and logging back in. It stays the same.

I actually moved the floating stuff back to where they go, but they move again every time I go out and back in my plot. So weird. 😂

Oh, okay... I have a ton of trees in a separate plot. That's probably what's hurting me. Is that a bug that will be fixed?

[hard basin]

It doesn't seem to be called as a bug or is it? I'm not sure either ... Maybe they can increase the plot limit more in the future. Now we just ||suffer|| play with what we have

[olive carbon]

You're not sure and neither is support

[warm condor]

It doesn’t make sense to me that trees on one plot count towards the item limit on a separate plot, but I know nothing about how games are made/how they work. I've been playing since closed beta, but I just started decorating. 😂

[marsh depot]

Sadly this is one of the things we wish we had an offical statement on. We have no idea if it's a bug, intentional or if will ever be changed, and it's definitely made decorating somewhat frustrating.

Specially when every patch there seems to be items with bugged placement tags.

[west marlin]

[warm python]

Totally delayed response since I got lost in playing Raft yesterday (game pls I get why you don't have a proper pause but my kingdom for one anyway) but I just wanted to let you know that this is very appreciated! You know how much I grump and complain here so I wanted to give some kudos and props too. See I'm not totally 100% old woman yells at cloud >_>

[warm condor]

A few hundred trees later, my main plot item limit is down. 😂

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[devout crypt]

I don’t know if this is the proper place to post this, but I agreed to the new rules for trading plush, hit the correct reactions to be able to trade, and still can’t post in the trading?

[tired plover]

according to your profile you don't have the role - maybe the react role isn't working?

[devout crypt]

What do you mean by not having the role?

[fiery perch]

As Shooberino said, you don't have the "Trade Master" role. Which is the role you get via reacting to the message.

Just making sure, you reacted to this message, right? #🤝│trading message

It'd be the green checkmark. If you did, try un-reacting and reacting again.

And if it still doesn't work, you might have to just contact Modmail.

Oh, it says you have the role now!

[devout crypt]

That is the one I reacted to with the green checkmark. Thanks for your help 💕

[tired plover]

thanks ValkOrii for following up on my behalf!

[fiery perch]

Of course! I just know it can be finicky sometimes with bots and the auto role. There's been times in other servers, i've had to re-react for it to work.

Glad to help! 💕

[devout crypt]

I can finally post! Ya’ll are awesome!! 🥰

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[marsh venture]

if anybody knows how many proudhorned sernuks/disco deers/blue deers I need to shoot (obviously not alone) to get antlers, please share. I'm getting desperate I don't want to receive it any other way, I'd feel like I cheated if I did. So far I think I got down 3 and none gave the antlers... Is that this rare?

oh lovely.. i guess i'll suffer for some more time

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[dark moon]

You may get a plushie to reward your suffering

[marsh venture]

Yeah, well... I shot a muujin and got a muujin plushie this afternoon... Or maybe yesterday, i don't know. That was a good one i have to say. I hope I'll get to shoot some disco deer antlers soon tho.

Aww blue bambi

Sounds like some compensation

I'm not that desperate any more, thanks. I have a few stuff to look forward to this way.

[pallid ferry]

99.7% old woman yelling at clouds

I have like 6 proudhorn plushies. Meanwhile, ZERO elder sernuk 😤

[shadow steeple]

so many foods in the game, but which is the best to use for focus and why?

1,000 focus and 100% bonus

and thank you!!

[fair tendon]

I like to make mushroom dumpling soup and rice cake stir fry because they give a good amount of focus and aren't too difficult and don't require rare ingredients. But chili dumplings are fast to make a lot. Oh and pan fried dumplings are easy alone too.

[pallid ferry]

Solo, cabbage rolls bc you can get all the ingredients gardening and it’s easy to make yourself.
Group, chili dumplings or spicy crab fried rice.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[shadow steeple]

helpful!! thank you @fair tendon and @pallid ferry

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[late lark]

Random question, but does it mess up your relationship with another character if you have more than 1 romance going?

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pallid ferry]

Nope! In fact, it’s encouraged to romance more than one, since it’s currently the only way to get villager portraits.

[warm python]

This day's delay brought to you by FF7 Rebirth concert

...okay you ain't wrong

[bleak lichen]

What’s everyone’s take on the Premium Shop?

I for one think they’re reasonably priced, especially in comparison to huge grand slam games that support them, like Fortnite or Overwatch (yuck). I do feel like one set is overpriced a tad, but for a free game this cool, I could come to justify it and defend it. It is a pretty set, after all. 😄

[heady arch]

I don't mind the premium shop, but I'll give you my honest opinion.
The prices are akin to other games, you're right. Overwatch and League, for example, offer very similar prices.
But both of those are "finished" games with a lot more content, to call it that. You can spend thousands of hours in those games, while Palia is still very limited in the content it does offer.

If the game was fully released, with more content and most bugs fixed, I'd agree that the prices are fair. For the state the game is in, I believe they could do with tuning the prices back quite a bit.
That being said, I did buy a few cosmetics in the past, but will hold off on any more of them.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[bleak lichen]

I think you said it best. That being said, I’m fairly new to the game.

I grew up on Gamecube and Wii, so I’ll always feel a bit bitter about not being able to grind for certain things in games. I’d justify the higher prices due to the game being free though, UNLIKE Fortnite which incentivizes buying battle pass by the threat of missing out on a skin forever (Peter Griffin, Fallout Power Armor, Solid Snake).

[warm python]

I've probably written the equivalent of a thesis/professional paper at this point over the last year and a half about monetization in this game but

quick tl;dr before I go back to Raft, too much/too pricey for what the actual game offers, refusal to have even the most basic of earnable cosmetics is a huge turnoff to even wanting to spend money even if they have their own reasoning as to why

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[cinder comet]

Raft is a 20/10 game.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[fast sonnet]

Hey y'all.

I know things get pretty... Intense in here sometimes regarding the state of the game and all of the issues it currently has, but I'd like to take a moment to set that aside for a bit and extend my hopes that everyone on the team is safe and out of harm's way during this time of catastrophe. The fires are... Really quite bad right now and at this point I'm more concerned about everyone's safety than whether or not the game is perfect. Let's send our support to the dev team and all of the other people in affected areas. ❤️

[hexed cargo]

Trying congee

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[raven orbit]

For what you get, the cash shop (I don't agree with calling it a premium shop, premium implies there's an alternative when there isn't since fashion is paywalled) is fairly pricey especially for a game that is considered in 'beta' (my own feelings on that aside). My main problem isn't the pricing though, it's that there is no free alternatives. Your character cannot show off their skills or what they enjoy doing, they will always look exactly how they did when they first joined the game unless you cough up some cash (pretty expensive cash).

The difference between this and Fortnite is that while yes, Fortnite's skins are generally $20+, they have a plethora of ways for people to get the currency to buy them - like battlepasses, fortnite crew or their $5 packs that come with vbucks and a skin. They even give skins away for free sometimes. So while in theory a skin might be $20 retail, you can sometimes get it for less if you're smart about your purchases. There is also gifting abilities. With Palia though, none of that exists. There are no ways to get coins through gameplay, no way to gift, and there isn't a varied price point with things to the degree that fortnite has.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[warm python]

For real for real. I just wish there was a proper pause button lmao like I guess the engine is more assuming you're doing/potentially going to do multiplayer but man I keep having to exit to the main menu when I want/have to do something else for a few min

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pearl wave]

Am I the only one who actually thinks premium shop is unreasonable price..?

Especially when if you have to buy one thing, you're putting more money into the store.

And don't forget about the EU prices transaction

yeah it's true that we don't have to buy anything but still

[lyric night]

it's just the industry nowadays

[pearl wave]

I guess it's might be "reasonable" to others if you have the means to splurge money but, Nuh uh. I do not think it's reasonable

[livid lagoon]

Not alone in feeling it's unreasonably priced. I think the pricing is silly, and even worse because you have to buy entire outfits just to use part of an outfit. Some things are just extremely priced too imo. I also think the choices on what to lock behind money (and locking more categories behind money over time), with no ability to mix earnables and bought stuff, and with the limited currency options it's just... nah. I don't feel it is a good balance.

[pearl wave]

I don't think they thought it through with currency outside of USA either >.<

And if they did, that's insane tbh

[olive carbon]

Echoing what everyone else said here and also adding that I wish some of the profits from premium purchases could go back into the fund pool to like, fix the clothing? A bunch of the collars clip with all the hair styles, a ton of hats don't work with certain hair, the emotes clip into some clothing items, the pets even have clipping issues. If I'm paying top digital dollar for cosmetics I'd rather them be fairly polished, even and especially in a beta/in dev game that needs those dollars some won't spend due to these issues. Not to mention toggle-able vfx, which is it's own issue.

[polar elbow]

The price tag is too high for what the cosmetics offer you, simple as that IMHO
If I were paying that much for a single outfit, at the very least I would expect it to be fully dyeable in any color combinations I want, so that I could mix and match it with all of the other clothing options in the game. But paying those prices for an outfit that only comes in 3 predefined colors is a terrible value no matter how you look at it , and its even worse when you can't buy the specific pieces you want, but only the full set

[pearl wave]

Exactly, you're paying so much money on something that s6 didn't bother to check if there are clipping issues or not (I'm sorry but that is true)

I want to emphasize that people can do whatever they want with $ but keep in mind with that.

[livid lagoon]

Oh yeah, was gonna add something along what you said but forgot it along the way: It also feels iffy at the price for the quality level the outfits hold. With the extra doodahs and fx on outfits, the lack of customizability imo makes them more limited usage and therefore not worth as much.

[raven orbit]

A lot of the outfits being released now are also just accessibility nightmares re: the unremoveable VFX

[pearl wave]

stop releasing new stuffs until the cosmetics / pets are fixed plsss 😭

[pearl wave]

Oh and fix the prices

[livid lagoon]

But, but... money.
Adding new things to the store is probably the only thing we can rely on at patch. 😂

[pearl wave]

/j

[fallow saffron]

Are the reasonably priced cosmetics in the room with us

[polar elbow]

Yeah I'm also not a fan of the forced VFX influencing the price tag of most items tbh
It feels like most of the "plain" outfits I would prefer are priced wayyyyy higher just because they have flashy effects attached

[marsh depot]

At least in other games such as Infinity Nikki we also have the ability to make smaller purchases, have bundles available, offer 2x recharge on first purchase, etc.

Aside from still being able to earn the cosmetics through playing. Some cosmetics are paywalled yes, but the rest are earnable, which also adds to the rewarding feeling and enables for more playability and engagement.

[hexed cloak]

This outfit is the worst offender, flashy effects-wise.
||disclaimer: not my fish||

[pearl wave]

I was about to bonk you if that was too flashy sksks

[fallow saffron]

Free games giving away free cosmetics? But that’ll ruin the company! /s
^ in reference to what wc said
#💬│palia-discussions message

[marsh depot]

I did like this outfit quite a bit when it came out but I wasn't a fan of the color palettes.

[hexed cloak]

I wish there was an intensity setting for outfit effects. I would be fine with a less in-the-face effect

[marsh depot]

Free cosmetics? In this economy?

[hexed cloak]

Like, players with this outfit are visible from super far away lol

[polar elbow]

The problem is that the way palia handles VFX settings seems to be fundamentally broken atm, with the "low" setting actually making most effects like 5x brighter
it doesn't reduce the quantity of the VFX, it only makes the existing ones look worse
I can find the image I used to explain it if you'd like me to go into more detail on that topic

[hexed cloak]

But that's also not what that setting means. The "low" setting is supposed to reduce load on the GPU
I agree it shouldn't make the effects more annoying than they already are, but it's not an effects intensity thing, it's a performance thing

[pearl wave]

Is that why palia support misunderstood my statement about snowball / flickering issues vfx..?

They keep asking me to turn down my setting and I showed proof that it's didn't fix it

[polar elbow]

Oh I'm aware that's what the intent was, but low settings shouldn't be making effects more opaqueis what I'm getting at

[pearl wave]

Yeah, it's actually made it way worse

[fiery perch]

[It also isnt that clear, since most people won't understand what that means. Most people are going to imagine and think that is going to reduce how the effects are overall or turn it more minimal, and not as intense. Idk how they could of worded it any better tho.]

[hexed cloak]

Yeah, it would be confusing for people unfamiliar with how graphics settings work in games

[fiery perch]

Like, it genuinely made the snowball flash effect, on the Effects setting Low, to be waay more intense and it was ... shocking.

[hexed cloak]

Well making them opaque is one way to reduce GPU load. Maybe they should also make them less bright tho. Just making the color darker is less intensive than calculating transparency

[fiery perch]

Probably better term is Particle Density, or something. even tho, i still dont think it should of made things more intense/bright or anything, though.

Liquid Detail, Particle Density, etc etc. That would require other sliders tho since those are for diff things. [Since I know the Effects on Low reduced water motion on Palia]

[polar elbow]

Just copypasta'ing this old image I shared and using it to explain my point:
In this image, let's pretend we're looking at a red glow effect with white sparkles. The particle density in this instance is, let's say, "3". (one red glow effect, two white sparkle effects)

In most games, turning down the VFX would reduce load by excluding the white sparkles, so the game only has one particle to render instead of three.

In Palia, if you were to set the game's settings to low..... both the red glow and white sparkles remain, except the quality is reduced by making them more opaque???? which just makes the effect look worse and stronger than they do on high settings

[hexed cloak]

Yup. What they could do on low settings is make the color of the red glow darker to still achieve the effect of not computing transparency while not annoying the player.

[scarlet hazel]

yeah the low graphic settings in palia just dont do anything imo. except make certain things worse (looking at you mining and chopping effect...)

[hexed cloak]

Even on low settings the game runs like trash on low-end machines while also looking like crap.
Unreal Engine 5 strikes again...

[marsh depot]

Can confirm. Laptop player and the game was bearable enough to look at but only playable through the GeFroce/Nvidia app.

[scarlet hazel]

yep. on my old laptop i was lucky to move around and mine and such, but cooking was a nightmare to attempt. the chop minigame was always behind and i always ended up left with seconds to complete the meal

[marsh depot]

Meanwhile Infinity Nikki performs so much better and looks pretty decent on lower settings.

[scarlet hazel]

it was also so much brighter to where i had to use a screen darkener to play without hurting my eyes depending on the day

[hexed cloak]

I have my game locked to 30 fps and the chopping minigame doesn't register fast chops (e.g. green onion)
I have to chop every 2 bars for it to register

[scarlet hazel]

yeah. the chop minigame is designed really badly tbh

[hexed cloak]

Imo the minigame itself is fine but it's bugged on low framerates

[loud axle]

Wait they've released new things? /s

[pearl wave]

Sksksk

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[mossy nova]

what if the devs actually fixed the issue

[brisk spruce]

then I could actually play again. imagine?

[jaunty cedar]

theres a small area of this pond u can fish in, didnt know that!

[tribal pagoda]

I am having a pretty good time completing all the friendship quests. I like the item rewards so far too, except Badruu's loot cause like....tf is that? Lol but I think I'm a bit sad I keep hearing about various events or things happening between characters that I never get to see.

[polar elbow]

Like.... here's an ingame example: the image on the left is with the lower VFX setting. The image on the right is with settings on Epic.
There's ways to reduce load from effects without making it like.... that. >>

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[small olive]

So hey is the game stable yet?

[lyric night]

no patch, no change

[small olive]

Mmm of course.

[lyric night]

even tho the stable thing differs from player to player, for me personally the game was never unstable

[small olive]

Once Daybreak got their grubby hands on this game, it turned unplayable for me real quick

[fast sonnet]

Keep in mind that right now things might be delayed even further due to the fires in Los Angeles, their studio is not far from where it's burning right now so they might be dealing with that. This is not something within their control so we just have to be patient.

[warm python]

We're more than aware of that having happened in these last few days, it's very prominent in the news. We don't need two reminders in one day tbh, especially when most of these issues being discussed are longstanding.

What's going on is an absolute tragedy and I truly wish those affected team members health and safety. But that still doesn't mean we can't discuss/complain about issues the game has had for months, most of which ought to have been since fixed.

[fast sonnet]

It is annoying, and I agree, but not everyone is in the discord at the same time so not everyone may have seen that. You might not need the reminder, but it's still worth noting that things might taken even longer to be fixed for people who may not yet be aware. I have in no way, shape, or form stated that you can't be discussing things. If I thought that, I'd state that plainly. I myself am one of those people who have been very vocal about my frustrations with the issues.

Don't come at me like I'm one of those players that's shutting people down for being critical, because I'm not.

[west marlin]

It just comes off a bit as disimssive ig 🥺

[warm python]

I don't mean to offend but it does come off as a bit patronizing/shaming, even if that isn't the intention

[fast sonnet]

I apologize that it came across that way. And I'm not offended. It's a fact that things probably aren't getting fixed a while but I do agree that it sucks.

[warm python]

Until we're told otherwise, honestly we can only guess as to if/how the next patch will be affected, it's a pure guessing game until we get some communication. I do sincerely hope the team members are in the safe areas in the city though.

granted "it's a pure guessing game" is a pretty common theme here >_>; which is why I'm glad WC seems to be starting to improve things on that end but yeah

[fast sonnet]

That is something that they could be doing so much better about. I will never understand why the fired all the community peoples. At least we'd get a "hey we're on fire so it's gonna be a bit before we unbork our game"

[warm python]

Yeahhh usually when that happens in a live service game I see the company put out a statement like that, well at least the ones I've actively played (which tbf aren't a TON but)

fingies crossed we get a new CM sooner than later although I think there was mention of one needing to reschedule an interview because of the situation over there?

but fingies crossed. communication is SUCH a huge deal in online games like these

and what WC is doing lately is super appreciated but the poor dude is probably juggling so many hats right now, the CM part really has to go to a specialized person

[cinder comet]

Yes can confirm he said they’re interviewing and had to reschedule due to fires

[pallid ferry]

I don't expect to hear anything anytime soon. Last year they were pretty silent update-wise until the end of the month.

[west marlin]

that sucks i know what its like to live in the fire corridor 😭

[warm python]

Ye I recall seeing a screenshot of him saying that but I wasn't here when it happened so my sleepy brain was like "did I actually see that or was it part of a weird Palia discord related dream"

[west marlin]

lmao if you're dreaming of discord, im sorry for you

[cinder comet]

I can and have done many hurricanes but I cannot imagine fires

[west marlin]

west coast burns down, east coast floods

[warm python]

I have annoyingly vivid dreams every night thanks to my meds so it ain't the first time, I've probably dreamt of everything ever at this point

[pallid ferry]

Yep, at least hurricanes I've always had plenty of time to prep, and then the ease of knowing which way was a safe escape.

[cinder comet]

Mother Nature desperately wants to reclaim Florida.

[warm python]

oh maaaan last year was such a mess considering the clusterbleep the December patch rollout and state was then not a peep till late January

[cinder comet]

Ahh that update. The memes from it were so good.

[warm python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWeHIK3AhE0 headphone warning probably, I didn't put the volume as low as I ought to have

[pallid ferry]

It was also the time of the cooking glitches, where you could make pokebowls and cake WAY more than they were worth.

[brisk spruce]

yeah... that bug didnt last very long lol

[warm python]

neither did the century egg one

or the palcat one LOL

the palcat one lasted like...a few days at most if not sooner

[pallid ferry]

The cooking one was around for well over a month. The Century Egg one was down in less than a day.

it was stressful, always checking cooking parties to be sure they were doing legit, bc we never knew when the bans might be coming.

[brisk spruce]

oh sorry I was thinking of how long it lasted after everyone and their mother started talking about it, not from when the bug actually started I forgot

[scarlet hazel]

its a little confusing on what bugs get fixed super quickly, since some have been around for a long time, but anything that can make the game easier or get you gold quicker are patched super quickly most of the time. Or even bans handed out if anyone does them by accident or something. but im assuming its coding rather then personal preference. /gen

[old tree]

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[cinder comet]

I share this .. lovingly from a long time ago in memes.

[true moth]

Hello, if I can romance Hodari and his wife is 💀. Then why can't I romance Ashura too 🥺 ?

[brisk spruce]

same reason you can't romance Sifuu, some of them just weren't ready to move on when the game launched. they probably will be with time, I believe the devs said none of the adult romances are off the table

[cinder comet]

I would think canonically he maybe does not want to move on. I can’t fully remember his dialogue.

[hollow crescent]

||they actually have dialogue of him sayin "(his wifes name) would want him to move on"|| idk if its spoiler since its said but incase someone didnt see it yet

[brisk spruce]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Elderwoods launches with at least one new romanceable character

yeah I imagine there will be a new NPC, and when I say new romanceable character I don't necessarily mean that the character is new, just the romance quests

[pallid ferry]

There will certainly be at least ONE new NPC who lives in the Elderwoods

[brisk spruce]

I don't like that we got two updates back to back with new friendship quests and then they just stopped it's been at least half a year! gimme the rest

[lyric night]

the ones we got were probably the ones that were finished before the layoffs and then they had to start focusing their last ressources on elderwoods, at least that would make sense as to why we didn't get any after that

[loud axle]

What's confusing is that afaik most of the groundwork for it was already done before the layoffs so like... I'm hoping there's gonna be a lot of extra surprises in it.

Absolutely. It needs to be a pretty much flawless patch to save this game IMO

[fiery perch]

Roan

[loud axle]

Hiya! Just popping my head in occasionally. Hope you're well Ori!

[midnight grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuVq7KHf18Y

this video reminded me of palia

[pallid ferry]

I don't even have to click it, I saw it the other day. and YES

[dark moon]

Ashura is || attached to his wife. And regrets things aren't better with his son, he built the inn with his wife, it's his memory of her||

[lyric night]

reminds me of every live service game honestly and I hate that we live in such a weird economy atm

[fallow saffron]

Hodari and Ashura are voiced by the same person too

[old tree]

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[warm python]

I don't mind mtx as much if there's an actual proper game behind it and it feels like I'm paying for a bonus rather than a feature

not to say more than not mtx is overpriced but

the game's content itself is a huge factor as to whether I whip out my 💳 or not

[loud axle]

Honestly some people might not like it but I'm a big fan not of pay to WIN, but "pay to speed things up." I've always happily shelled out for the optional "monthly membership" for games I enjoy that give some sort of EXP / drop rate boosts.

[tired glen]

completely understandable.. how we value our purchases are different indivisually and i feel like your reasons are valid and make sense..

I also not big fan of pay to win which in this case im so glad Palia isn't..
while the how high the cosmetic price is another issue entirely, i personally quite like with how the premium shop now are only cosmetics (clothes, pets, landscapes, poses) that has no actual advantages in how we progress in the game itself

[loud axle]

The problem with that to me is that Palia's entirely gameplay loop culminates in cosmetics. That's all the game really is - a dress up / dream house simulator. So paywalling cosmetics may as well be paywalling the game.

Honestly I have no issue with some stuff being cash shop exclusive either, though. It's the fact that a game all about showing off your character and housing plot doesn't even let you earn any kind of cosmetics through playing that game.

[polar elbow]

My main issue with the way palia's premium shop is handled is its all or nothing position on paywalling entire categories of cosmetics. I've no issue with a premium store on paper, but... when too much is paywalled with no earnable alternatives, you wind up with no goals to work towards through actual gameplay, and therefore no incentive to keep playing the game.

As it stands right now, 99% of Palia's earnable rewards boil down to:

• home decor
• something that is used to obtain home decor

and if decorating houses doesn't appeal to you, there is effectively nothing else to work towards.

[tired glen]

I see.. I'm just a casual player so im happy enough to explore around and farm or hunting with no actual goal aside from destressing for real life

so I have fun despite not really into house decor either..
I hope the elderwood patch will come soon and appease a lot of players with its content

i think appease is not a correct word to use.. umm.. satisfy? aa im not sure im sorry english is not my main language,, im trying my best to convey my thought without being rude.. im sorry if it offend anyone

[pulsar meteor]

the general state of community sentiment is to the point that 'appease' is still totally accurate, heh ❤️

personally i think there's so few knobs on the character dress-up it wouldn't even qualify as a sim on that front. so yeah, if you're not into house decorating and don't desperately love one or more of the game skills, there's not a lot here for the long term experience

[tired glen]

ahh true true.. i know someone that play just to fish in Palia because its relaxing for them..

[pulsar meteor]

but i found two or three outfits i like and don't mess with that aspect too much, but gardening. i could (and have!) do that for hours on end

[tired glen]

omg same! my gardening is the highest out of all skill hehehe watering in Palia is so satisfying for some reason

and i love how vibrant the leaves looks after being watered

[old tree]

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[polar elbow]

for me, it's not so much the inability to earn more dress-up outfits that I have issue with, it's that there's no way to show off your accomplishments to others while out in the world. A player who's a long-time veteran is still stuck looking exactly the same as a player that just started. The only ways to set yourself apart if you're a F2P are nameplates, and those are so few in number that they don't really help the situation tbh

[pulsar meteor]

yep, the planting/ watering/ harvesting is just so satisfying, most fun subsystem i've ever found. i keep hitting cap on gardening medals haha

totally fair. plenty of times playing World of Warcraft i'll see someone in an epic outfit parked on an incredible mount somewhere, and i have to go look up what it is/ where they got it and see whether i can chase it down. Palia doesn't really have that at all

[tired glen]

oh i can understand this in a diff perspective actually..
as in, when i was first start playing i love the game enough and dont mind buying the bundle on sale at that time.. I was still a newbie with copper tools but some people would ask me for things thinking im not a newbie just because of my cosmetics -- which they are themselves also newbie is why this happened..
not for long and some explanation solve it, but it was slightly tiring to do as a switch player

[polar elbow]

this is what's missing. That moment of "woah, that person looks amazing, I want to look like that!" and then making it a goal to achieve that look for yourself
Every time I see someone running past with an outfit in Palia, it's just like "meh, cash shop"

[pulsar meteor]

yeah, they don't seem too interested in facilitating that. there's a bit with the housing of like 'wow, how did they do that' with some of these builds, though half of that is just abusing the heck out of a red present XD

[tired glen]

actually talking about it now, having a set of outfit that is only obtainable as a trophy for finishing the bundles or main story or befriending everyone would be a nice goal to have indeed

[loud axle]

That's essentially all anyone really wants or is asking for. It'd be nice to have some earnable cosmetics that show off your time and dedication to the game - such as leveling skills a bunch, or through other "special events" in the game. Like there's no reason there couldn't be a hat you get from turning in a bunch of tickets in the Maji Market.

[polar elbow]

A lot of people would be satisfied with just getting earnable skill-themed outfits- being able to "look like your job" as a way of showing off your accomplishments in said job is something that IMHO should not be paywalled
That + a hat or two for events is all I want

[pulsar meteor]

shame we never got that pancake hat cosmetic the one guy was spamming daily for

[tired glen]

ohh clothes that looks like our job sounds nice indeed!
but then most people would be walking around like chefs XD since there's so much people with amazing cooking skills

[pallid ferry]

I bought 2 outfits- one just for antlers, and the other just to have a better colored daily outfit than what’s available when you start off. There’s a LOT of things I’d like to buy, but generally it’s just for the pants of one and the hat of another, which isn’t worth the cost just to mix and match my ideal outfit together.

[tired glen]

yeah i still wish they would let us buy per parts

[polar elbow]

this too . Inability to buy pieces of sets + extremely limited color palettes for outfits makes many outfits feel not worth it.

[pulsar meteor]

(for what it's worth the Cadet pants go amazing with almost everything so you'll get plenty of mileage there)

[warm python]

what

[pallid ferry]

And unless they add a “disable self VFX” in the settings, I doubt I’ll be buying coins in the future. Bc tbh I hate the special affects on every other outfit

[scarlet hazel]

pancake hat??

[pulsar meteor]

oh back in 2021 there was someone who posted daily 'day xx of asking for a pancake hat cosmetic in palia'. made it to like 70 before he was asked to please stop haha)

[scarlet hazel]

oh. rip

[pallid ferry]

Is that the one with the skirt and the great tall boots?

[scarlet hazel]

yeah i wish theyd add in community thought up cosmetics but it seems like they just add... whatever the heck the cosmetics team ends up coming up with

[pulsar meteor]

yep!

well the skirt comes off the top, i believe, which i don't much use. (that's the disciple top, for example)

[pallid ferry]

Not the boots I’m thinking of. But good boots!
Honestly any bottom that doesn’t give the female model cameltoe is a win.

[scarlet hazel]

i wish there were more outfits that looked good on the male bodies too. a lot of the cosmetics are geared heavily towards female models

[olive carbon]

Hehe. Moose. Has antlers. Heheh. Heh.

[pulsar meteor]

i would have easily doubled my spend if they would also apply to a fem alt they won't let us have either

[pallid ferry]

The Hero outfit, I like the male outfit better, but wouldn’t have been able to get the female hair. Sooo I bought neither.

[pallid ferry]

Hate the outfit it came with, but the antlers were a must.

[olive carbon]

I've come 🤏 this close a few times myself

[pulsar meteor]

i'm in trouble if they ever put out a giant peki suit

[cursive hawk]

I have been feeling very discouraged and tired of struggling to make money in the game

[pulsar meteor]

it's an incredibly slow start, yeah 😦 if you've made it as far as silver and/or gold bars, maybe try requesting a few of those to pop in your sell chest?

[lethal granite]

peki when

[cursive hawk]

No silver or gold bars yet

I can't even get more than 1 of anything

Food is too expensive for me

I only have 12 coins now

[pulsar meteor]

rip. i'm not sure what the current low-level best money is, but feel free to not buy upgraded machines/ recipes right away unless you're actively using them; and sell as much as you aren't using of the materials, you can always get more

just doing loops with the pickaxe in Kilima and mining everything you can (stone included) you should be able to get a few starstones to sell

[cursive hawk]

I do sell everything

Even food

[pulsar meteor]

but it's a rough period we all had to fight through before it suddenly just gets better

i wish they'd take another look at how it's balanced, not a great intro experience for new players

[cursive hawk]

Then I have no food when my energy bar is low

[pulsar meteor]

it's not the worst thing to let the focus run out - it's not like energy in other games, here it's just bonus experience, and not a lot until you upgrade it

[cursive hawk]

Oh

Good to know

[dusky flint]

Honestly, scour the #1143270926394335282 channel and try to get a free roll at a cake party like jelly or oven, that's the best super early money you'll get! Usually somewhere between 65k and 75k depending on how well the party goes!

[barren nexus]

I think just hunt sernuks in the southern part of kilima? You should be able to make 12K before your bow breaks

[old tree]

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[tired glen]

dont buy food.. cook them.. easiest way you can also fish/hunt and grilled that for early on food

[cursive hawk]

I need to upgrade my bow and arrows

[tired glen]

if you still online by the time i get home, i can help you hunt

[cursive hawk]

I stink at hunting and fishing

I will keep the camp fire cooker so that I don't not a recipe to cook meat

I do have a stove but that seems like it's just for recipe purposes only

[cursive hawk]

It's 2 am now and I don't know how long I want to stay awake

[tired glen]

each cooking station has diff recipe it can work on.. grilled meat/fish is using camp fire yes

[cursive hawk]

I am going to sleep now. I will talk to you later today

[old tree]

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[old tree]

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[old tree]

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[pallid ferry]

The early game things to invest in are axe and pickaxe upgrades and crop plots. The first two are needed to collect better resources, and gardening is just easy slow cash. For focus, just use the sernuk meat to make grilled meat or watch the #1143270926394335282 channel for anything mentioning focus food. If you stay in Kilima Valley to gather items to sell, you can turn them in at Zeki's register rather than go all the way back home.

[old tree]

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[dry swift]

We need to start the pancake hat posting again in his/her honor.

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[delicate roost]

Just putting this out there as warning to anyone thinking about ordering the Madrinas coffee to get the pillow plush codes:

THE CODES EXPIRED! THEY HAD TO BE REDEEMED BY DEC. 31, 2024.

I have written to Palia support, but haven't heard back yet. Will update with more info when I do.

[olive carbon]

You might also want to reach out to Madrinas support on this too, if I recall someone's post about this in #🦋│issues-discussions they ended up needing to contact both

[scarlet hazel]

Was the code never suppose to expire or did they say anything about it?

[olive carbon]

Just a quick question for the sake of curiosity- did you try the code and it indeed is registering as expired in game??

[delicate roost]

I don't know. I mean, I realize most things have expiration dates, but it would have been nice to have that stated somewhere on their site, since it existed.

[umbral lynx]

to expand on this, it isnt labeled anywhere that the codes are limited only
'For a limited time you can get yours in the Palia Cozy Snuggler Chapaaccino Bundle and unlock two limited-time EXCLUSIVE stackable chapaa pillow plushes in-game!'
from the coffee video junk
which again no start or end date listed anywhere on palia site or whatever the coffee people are called

[delicate roost]

Yup, tried to enter both codes I was given. It wasn't until after I tried that I noticed the very small print on the cards stating redeem by 12/31/24.

[umbral lynx]

im gonna call them maddie cas i know its mad something but if you are called maddie im sorry i just dunno this coffee peoples name and it looks about right

[umbral lynx]

ey ey how small we talking i do love a bit of good support spam

[olive carbon]

Limited time but with a fun added mystery factor as to when that time is over

[umbral lynx]

cas im assuming the code cards are business card size? at best and ngl who the ... erm ... snuggles! can read that with good vision and alot of us are pro glasses weareerers

ngl it takes 2 secs to write 2024 limited offer but they are still selling the snuggler that cant hold a cup its sold with ... so in theory it should still have a active code which s6 should be able to turn on and off at will instead of timegated codes

wait wouldnt money bags crabs be a good time to show up rn

ops that was mean i guess? but wouldnt this be more of his area since money?

[delicate roost]

@umbral lynx rather small, yes... about half the size of this font.

[umbral lynx]

i was summoned for mischief

[olive carbon]

I have a feeling it might be a madrinas centric issue(?) but the lack of clarity within the s6 cross-promotion is also equally as glaring an issue

[umbral lynx]

yeah maddies might be to blame like maybe they were meant to refresh the codes for 2025? but forgot? im not super sure on that company as a whole since ew coffee sorry not sorry but they seem to have alot of colabs so ehhh but the fact no where lists it correctly both should be to blame. s6 for not talking about it for 19 days and same for the cofeee maddie people thingy company

but tbh pretty on brand at this point

[scarlet hazel]

Communication wires are iffy again it seems

[west marlin]

I'm sure S6 will give you the stuff manually

[umbral lynx]

yeah but like im sure they could at least post hey hey kids we here the codes have some issues we gonna look into it but i guess not?

[scarlet hazel]

Dunno

[umbral lynx]

hear not here god my english is getting worse daily you all need to shh me more

[scarlet hazel]

Communication is hitting a silly bump once again

[pearl wave]

First off, why the expiration date in small print

[fiery perch]

It's okay. It isnt really coffee anyways. it's mainly just sugar that's flavored like coffee There's also other stuff im kinda like meh on, but anyways--

It could be Madrina's issue with the codes being expired now and stuff, like youre saying. But who knows. Still sucks that nobody has mentioned a start or end date for the codes, etc etc, baically like youre saying

[fallow saffron]

Can’t hold the cup?

[pearl wave]

Well capitalism is so freaking weirdo for not making that clearer tbh smh

[olive carbon]

It "respects social distancing boundaries" aka it doesn't hold the cup, just sits like, really up close to it

[scarlet hazel]

Wonder how this will go tho. Hopefully an announcement or something.

Tbh I don't know why anyone would drink such sugary coffee

[umbral lynx]

yeah it chips the snugglers paint and is a tight squeeze alot of users reported

but still looks cute hugging other things so

[fallow saffron]

Was it supposed to hold the cup? /gen

[scarlet hazel]

The snuggle looks super cheap imo..

[umbral lynx]

the paint job on the teeth haunts me when i close my eyes

[fiery perch]

it apparently has some weight to it and isnt the cheapest plastic but idk

[pearl wave]

If I were to get it, I'm just going to treat it just like a stuffie, where it's just sit on my desk or something

[umbral lynx]

i know factory job but let me be fussy personal tastes

i hope s6 or the coffee people address it soon since it isnt cheap and rip those who got lost in shipping

[fiery perch]

the advertisement shows it like this

[scarlet hazel]

Didn't some ppl not even get their snuggles and coffee too?

[pearl wave]

I wonder if s6 thought it ok to make it seem like it's to hold cups but in reality, it's just sitting there closer to cups

[scarlet hazel]

Idk if the shipping is just bad or they ordered too little or what. But... If people haven't gotten their things even to this day they should be getting a refund

[umbral lynx]

i know maybe a handful of eu people who didnt get it in time for christmas which they tbh were fine with its dec things are always messy its cool but the import tax on top of the price tag and now a expired code oof i feel bad anyone who is younger and ordered it with christmas money

[fallow saffron]

If it has the word “snuggle” in there, I’m honestly gonna assume it “snuggles” the cup ngl /gen

[umbral lynx]

like for me i expect like to add a extra month to shipping as it sits in oslo for like a month

[fallow saffron]

“Community funded”?

[fiery perch]

It was a community funded thing. People had to preorder enough for them to actually be made

[pearl wave]

S6: "oh I know, let make it seem like it's can hold cups!"

And didn't expect people to actually try to force it to hold cups

[fallow saffron]

Oh okays ty!

[pulsar meteor]

fwiw i doubt Madrinas is printing codes/ cards as they go - it's likely still the same stack that was created when the production run was done, and expirations on those kinda things are normal. that does seem like a surprisingly short redemption window though; hopefully either the redemptions still work or support can grant them directly

[umbral lynx]

i like what people do with theirs its more fun then trapping it to a cup 😄

[fiery perch]

Idk how it actually looks in-person, but if it looks similar to the image, i think it's fine. [I do agree tho when I hear Snuggler, i expect it closer, though. Moreso just saying, at least it'd look similar to the advertisement image!]

[pallid ferry]

That's not a snuggle. That's a Junior High Slow Dance.

[scarlet hazel]

Lol

[pulsar meteor]

remember to leave enough space for Maji!

[fallow saffron]

[fiery perch]

I mean, yeah. But it's still unfortunate that the redemption window is so small, like youre saying. Sucks even more because there are definitely people who have bought this just for the codes. 😖

[umbral lynx]

i hope they can fix it for people in a timely manner

it seems like a simple 1 2 3 thing but i think marisol here has been waiting abit :c

[delicate roost]

Didn't really think they were doing anything sneaky. Just wanted to warn others that there would be hassle because of expired codes and they wouldn't get the plushes without extra effort.

[pulsar meteor]

do the code cards even mention Madrinas? part of me wonders if they were originally made for some other promotion that never happened

[umbral lynx]

i think they are branded as coffee brand x palia

[pearl wave]

oh gosh this is like honey all over again

[umbral lynx]

looks like it?

[pulsar meteor]

oh yep that's clear then, nvm

[umbral lynx]

assuming here that graphic might not be what users get? though i think someone sent a picture once i wasnt really a fan of spending like $120 to find out

[pulsar meteor]

wouldn't be the first time the promo image didn't match the final product >_> but nah it seems straightforward enough, i didn't pick any up either

[pearl wave]

Is people trying to act like codes still works and is using madrinas or madrinas is still selling codes past the expiration date?

[umbral lynx]

but if s6 decided to reuse those irl plushie patterns id consider it

[delicate roost]

The card you see in that image, behind the pillows, is a picture of the code card front. The code is on the back.

[pulsar meteor]

as far as i know, Madrinas is still selling the 'coffee' and including those code cards, which apparently expired at the end of last year

[umbral lynx]

ya know idk if anyone has told you this today but you are amazing you know that?

[pearl wave]

I'm sorry, did palia didn't bother telling madrinas to stop?

[umbral lynx]

it could be something as simple as they just have old cards and waiting for new ones

[pulsar meteor]

i doubt they're making more, just clearing out the inventory already created. it's like getting cereal boxes for a promo campaign that ended, they won't go pull them

[pearl wave]

Well I hope they make it clear that if anyone buying the old codes, they won't be getting the chapaa ones then

[fiery perch]

If they're not making more and they're clearing inventory, then they def need to take it off the website at least. [unless im misunderstanding what youre saying lol]

[pulsar meteor]

and if support will do the redemptions manually via ticket for the cards which have expired (which i'd heard someone say they did recently) then they're still delivering what was expected, just a bit more hassle

[umbral lynx]

its the time gated part that messes with my brain since they seem to have overflow like i would of assumed they would of gone the route of turn on code .... ok sold out turn off code to stop any more being made

[fiery perch]

That's what really sucks about this. It's still being advertised on the Madrina site

So hopefully, if this is truly the case of that was how "limited/exclusive" the codes/pillows were, they'll stop advertising the code itself. Because that blows.

[pearl wave]

That's freaking scummy if they letting the codes being made over again

[pulsar meteor]

the way i'm used to these runs being done is they did the presale, doubled the sales figures for ongoing demand, and did the run of 10,000 (or whatever) all at once. fulfilled the preorders and are just selling through the remainder

[umbral lynx]

yeah tis a easy fix at least hopefully

to save on poor support panic moding it god i feel for support sometimes

[olive carbon]

Update: the poster over in #🦋│issues-discussions still hasn't received any news about their order but if anyone wants to keep tabs on that it's over there in that channel. I think they'll update when they get more info!

[pearl wave]

If people actually messaging the support, I wonder if the support team goes, "wait it's still selling, this isn't supposed to happens"

[umbral lynx]

Fern news desk and help desk

[tired plover]

I have screenshots I took of the entire scenario too if anyone is interested in them

[umbral lynx]

It sucks it's happened to you guys

[tired plover]

the biggest "issue" is that Madrina's didn't have a line of text that said "In-game promotional codes expire Dec 31st, 2024" on the website

as of last Friday they were still advertising them as addons to purchase (I haven't checked since)

[pearl wave]

I hope someone did message madrinas to stop doing that

[tired plover]

this was the only place I could find the expiry information - after the box was already in my hands

[fiery perch]

It's still advertising now. Checked not too long ago.

[pulsar meteor]

did it throw an error when you tried to redeem it?

[tired plover]

"this code has expired"

[fiery perch]

Marisol earlier said it did.

[pulsar meteor]

oh i missed that part, apologies!

[umbral lynx]

What butts hopefully the support agent is contacting s6 to get this all fixed for ya'll

[fiery perch]

[tired plover]

I would assume this is a pretty common thing in businesses that work like Madrina's - they have a bunch of "sponsored" boxes/merch/etc. they must have codes expiring all the time. I hope this was just an oversight

especially on a "longer" promotion

[umbral lynx]

Hiccups happen for all we know the update codes got lost in the mail to but I mean you have proof of purchase, I just think the current support team can't gift items and need s6 approval hence the time wait

[fiery perch]

It's just them still advertising the code that sucks. I also hope it's just an oversight, and it gets fixed for both y'all and on the site itself, if they don't have any plans to make more codes.

[umbral lynx]

I still hope if they do another collab they opt for the turn code on and off option over time gated to save themselves some hassle long term

[west marlin]

That's so sad

I was going to buy it just for the plushies but 💀

[dry swift]

Good afternoon everyone! Did S6 make another oopsie poopsie today?

[stiff locust]

Hi guys, do you have a lot of SpamPot too? Because I have and it's so annoying, it's almost only spampot and some nights I can't play at all because it's all full of spamming, do you know if there's schedules or something?

[umbral lynx]

There's groups and such for and not for spam pot. But I just server hop to find what table I'm looking for most the times sinxe they annoce it early most the times (and if ya not a no ing ya tables start doing it before 6pm)

We gonna pretend those typos ain't there

I like both but sometimes I just wanna spam to coins and other times I wanna play for real reals

[stiff locust]

Yeah, I can understand but some nights (in game) I couldn't even play normally because they were literally at every tables

So I just quit ;-;

[umbral lynx]

Never give up it's worse then maji is happening (the night market) since no one is in the underground so it's a small server pool and you can loop...

[stiff locust]

I wish I could 😭

[umbral lynx]

You could always nab a few friends or even strangers who enjoy the natural flow of hotpot and steal a table all for yourselves (before anyone says it I mean steal as in go into the area before 6pm and grab a clearly empty table and inform people that hey this is for regular hotpot with friends who will also be standing at the table)

[loud axle]

Debatable - since at first glance seeing patch notes linked I thought it was patch notes for the next update until reading the post. 😛

[stiff locust]

Shhh, my friends just ignore my messages TvT like...They don't answer

[dry swift]

All my friends quit 🤷

[umbral lynx]

if the next patch does fix the flashbanging id come for some classic hot pot (sadly rn due to the unsafe state of the game ive been avoiding it since i didnt wanna get like hurt and have a negative time with it)

[stiff locust]

More bug than dc...

But yeah, I guess!

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[polar fractal]

We still dealing with the snowball issue? That's crazy.

[fair tendon]

It is

[plush hearth]

Is it a known issue that quest 4 and 5 did unlock for me when i reached lvl4 on hekla? And if not how do i report those? I may be blind but i failed to find a bugreport chanel or anything

[olive carbon]

!support linked below is how to submit bug reports but yes, this has been an issue since around the time her level 5 was added, if I recall correctly

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[plush hearth]

ah, okay, thank you very much <3

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[marsh venture]

So... A few days ago i was whining here a bit about the disco deer antlers. Well.... Today is a special day. I got one. And to top it, I finished level 4 friendship quest for Hodari and he agreed to be my shepp. I am officially Palian. And i am super hyped and should sleep but i probably won't for another hour or so.

[rare pine]

Record the cutscene if you can. there's no way to rewatch it.

[marsh venture]

I couldn't record it. But it was really cool

I wish they had an option to rewatch.

[rare pine]

I regret not recording mine every day.

[marsh venture]

Yeah well... They may add it as an option later. Anyway, it was good and i really feel good about it because i worked quite a lot for this one.

[frigid frost]

anyone else get flash banged from time to time? I thought this was just my switch but it just happened to me on PC xD

[late nebula]

Yes it’s been happening

[marsh depot]

I haven't been on for some time but I didn't expect it to be that bad

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pallid ferry]

The shepp cutscene was super rewarding

[celest maple]

Hey, this is really bad for an MMO right? I also don't think it's generating sufficient revenue from just 4,000 players, and it also looks like they're losing players too. Is Palia going to die?

[cursive hawk]

Please join my party

[celest maple]

I hope whatever happens they pivot towards a single-player focused game, with DLC and whatnot if their business model is failing Q_Q

[tired glen]

every mmo has up and down moment, currently its more of palia down moment as most people waiting for elderwood to be updated in.. when it does a lot of people will be more active again for its content

i don't think its anywhere sign of Palia going to die..

[signal kayak]

it will probably entirely depend on how well the elderwoods update is, because it needs to be near flawless to bring back the older players. i haven't played palia since september and even with the elderwood update, i may not return as i've found another game to give both my time and money to right now

[celest maple]

Yeah, let's hope it's good enough. I know the bugs alone are making people quit. If they don't fix that, and just add more content on top of the bugs they haven't fixed then i really see the game spiraling down.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[celest maple]

Let's hope so Q_Q

[warm python]

Steam isn't the entire playerbase (there's the PC launcher and switch) but it's the only metric we have, and it's been decreasing steadily other than two boosts in June and September. I'm curious to know what the numbers of the playerbase as a whole look tbh

I imagine there'll definitely be a spike when Elderwoods come out, though how much/for how long is yet to be seen and will heavily depend on the quality/quantity of it

They really gotta knock it out of the park with it

[signal kayak]

yeah, elderwoods will definitely make or break palia, when you've only got (soon to be) 3 maps for your player base to explore, you need to make them to the point where people will have a lot to look at and do or it will get old really fast. and none of the fluff that they have been doing for the past few months like plushies and rng drops

[loud axle]

It's been a pretty steady decline over the last few months. Even if we're generous and assume Steam only accounts for about 10% of the playerbase, yeah 40k average players isn't great for a F2P MMO.

But financially it seems okay. The problem with Palia is that it's putting lipstick on a pig... On a surface level, the game looks great and is fine for players for a few weeks or months during which people are likely to spend money, but after that people end up leaving. Doesn't really matter to S6's bottom line for awhile as long as they're getting some new players in to squeeze some cash out of as they've already got your money whether you quit or not.

Their current cash model, with its exorbinant prices, isn't concerned about player retention and getting people to spend more over a longer term... It's very clearly set up to get a bunch out of you quickly before you see the game's not complete.

Like others said, I fully expect Elderwoods to be a make-or-break moment for the game in terms of retaining some of the veteran players. If people waited for 1.5 to 2 years since open beta launched for an update that takes a couple days to completely exhaust the content of... I don't imagine it's gonna be a good look.

Though that also begs the question of if S6 will try to do a "slower drip" of content as well releasing a couple quests and such each month rather than dropping it all at once.

[delicate roost]

Updating my issue...

Support was very quick with their reply! I have my pillows already.

Everyone is very willing to correct any problem with the codes... but still a heads up that you'll have some extra hassle to deal with if you've placed an order and haven't received it yet. Let's hope they change the expiration date on those cards!

[small olive]

Honestly that is absolutely the case for me and my friendgroup of 8 players lol

We hit the backwall and then there's just NOTHING for veterans, if this patch comes out busted, we give up

[loud axle]

Yeah, there really needed to be more end-game repeatable content that actually engages people and encourages parties and groups. I gave so many suggestions of world events and such like meteor showers or bug swarms that never made it into the game that I think would have been a good "grind" for end game mats.

[loud axle]

Some repeatable instanced dungeons would have been cool too. Pavel mines should have been a place you could go with a group of friends to solve puzzles and collect resources. 😦

[celest maple]

Those are really good ideas, i guess they just don't really care about their playerbase all that much

[pulsar meteor]

they care plenty about the player base, but that doesn't by itself result in completed code

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[pallid ferry]

There’s also a bunch of people avoiding the game for this health reason ⬆️.
Until there’s a decent fix for it, many people have been unable to play since the Winterlights update for fear of triggering seizures.

[arctic comet]

I actually wasn't aware of the bug until I joined the server. I've been playing since mid-late December and have had various snowballs thrown at me out of nowhere. I had some fall on me from the sky (I'm guessing a visual bug?). Thankfully I never got the flash effect from it and had managed to avoid it. Haven't seen any snowballs since then tho.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[lethal granite]

hopefully that means people aren’t using them without making sure everyone around them is ok with it!

[tired glen]

im thankful no one has been throwing snowballs at me at all

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[celest maple]

this doesn’t seem like they “care” i hear tons of people making that same complaint, and it doesn’t sit well with me

as well as just how buggy the game is, and how long it takes for certain things to get resolved

it’s like every time i login there’s some new bug, and the code is not only “complete” it’s just straight up broken

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[slender crown]

S6 had pretty nice customer service before they fired everyone last year.

[arctic comet]

Their employees are likely strained from not having enough people to do it effectively anymore. I had a very lovely and pleasant person help me with my name change yesterday (got an instant reply) and they were very kind.

As well, if people aren't giving them enough support monetary-wise then they can't continue paying their employees nor paying to run their game servers if they're hosting it on 'rented' servers. Bungie for Destiny 2 was hosting the game on servers they were renting out from third-party companies as an example of that.

I personally know very little about S6. So I'm not saying they're free of being guilty for anything, I can't say that as I don't know them well enough, but I also wouldn't put fire and pitchforks at them for certain things they can't control. Like how the economy can affect their income and being unable to pay their employees.

I just think it's better to try to be more understanding about certain things, but definitely be upset when they can control it and still choose to make a terrible decision. And everyone there may be more stressed than we know or realize, which can lead to bad decisions being made unfortunately. I just hope they can work things out soon!
(Sorry for my really long ramble!)

[signal kayak]

problem is is that there is nothing for the f2p only players to look forward to in the game. if you like to play dress up with your character, you're stuck with what was available at the beginning of character creation which isn't much if you're the type that believes "clothes make the person". simple solution would be to have either earnable outfits for milestones (like a bug catching outfit for hitting level 100 of the skill) or allowing players to craft their own clothing (maybe animal crossing style, though may have to have some form of filter on).

when game was first announced, the community wanted to have access to pets. well, we got them. behind a paywall. there are no free pets for those that are f2p. it would have helped to have given a side quest for all of the pets that came/come out and allow the basic of basic color to be a reward for the the quest and then charge for the other colors. this would also allow the pets to be more than just something that follows you around and actually make them do things like maybe pokemon's pick up ability where, depending on the type of pet, you'd be able to get an item from them (the dragon could collect an ore once a palian day and the longer you have that pet with you, the rarer the material) and a lot of people are looking at the game that way too, they don't want to open their wallets because of how the f2p aspect is being handled

could they change this in the future, of course, game is still "in beta" after all. but they need to pivot sooner rather than later before it's too late and nothing will bring the older player base back

[arctic comet]

That would be something that can be suggested to them. I feel like maybe they're worried that if they give away too much stuff like that for free, that the shop stuff may lose it's value and they really won't get any income to support the game then. But the community sees it otherwise from what you're saying and the community will actually see it as more valuable and more worth it. So it's kind of a stalemate unless they can be convinced that the shop items won't lose value.

[scarlet hazel]

Tbh what WC said about their monetization I couldn't really care. It just felt... Really off to me.

And giving some things away while also having a shop is how f2p games keep running. It's been that way forever. Going against that formula has not gone well for palia from what I've witnessed.

They just don't have renewable purchases. That's what's making the monetize system not too great. The only renewable things are coins

[marsh depot]

Just wanted to chime in, but I can definitely understand some people feeling like S6 doesn't care about their playerbase due to the snowballs issue remaining in the game after an entire year, which poses a genuine health threat to players with photo-sensitivity. And yes, I know they rolled out a "fix" but it doesn't work for all players and now random actions like opening up a menu can cause a flashbang too.

[scarlet hazel]

Which... Doesn't go anywhere except towards outfits, pets and toolskins you prob already bought. With almost all of the items being a one time purchase, it's really hindering just how much money they can make from both new and old players

[arctic comet]

Yeah prolonging the fix for that sort of thing is a very questionable decision.

[scarlet hazel]

If they'd add in some kind of renewable purchase, even if it causes a stink, they could be making way more money

[marsh depot]

I agree on that it felt really off, specially the "players who don't value our cosmetics at base price" because the prices are very much high compared to other F2P games that do deliver free cosmetics.

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah. Tbh it felt like he was shaming others for being poor, having no disposable income or on disability. It left a bad bad taste in my mouth

I wish s6 would just listen to shop feedback. It could end up helping them in the long run

[arctic comet]

As someone who's having to resort to art commissions for income (as I can't get a job due to mental disabilities and physical health declining), that's very upsetting to think about.

[marsh depot]

Not to mention it also felt to me like shaming players who live in countries with higher exchange rates, the prices are simply not accessible or represent entire day's or weeks of salary. I get it, gaming is a luxury, but players should not be shamed for wanting more accessible options.

Not to mention the current system is not rewarding at all. If S6 offered some form of earnable cosmetics in game, I feel it could potentially drive people into spending on the game.

[signal kayak]

worked on me for infinity nikki, not going to lie

[young plank]

Spending 60 dollars for 1 skin that only gives like 3-6 colors, a pet and a plot background just seems a little much for me. Thats a whole brand new game! do you know the amount of stuff i buy in infinity nikki cause for the same price i can get MONTHLY things to redeem so the 60 bucks is worth it for me.

[fiery perch]

I can understand that the economy is a struggle. No matter where you're at, esp with prices going up and up. But that is also another reason why players get really frustrated at the current prices, esp with the fact a lot of players, feel like the game ends up too repetitive after a while or with little to no content.

Not to mention, you pay for full outfits and not specific pieces. That would of helped that a lot, too.

And like sylvablade has said, if you want to "dress up your character" or make them feel like "you" ... you can't really do that unless you pay. It'd be different if there were earnable cosmetics, even if it was only rooted towards specific skills. Then you have goals, and accomplishments that you can show off [without needing to go to someone's plot.] It'd also give more incentive to do specific things imho.

And for a lot of players, if you have more things to do and play more in a game, the more you are like "Huh, you know, I am going to give some money and buy an outfit or a pet or something."

And the pet thing is still very saddening. They could of easily made a f2p pet, just one or two, then the pets in the shop could of just been skins for said pet. Idk, there's a bit imho that could of been done to help relieve some of that feeling that players get.

[raven orbit]

I think the lack of feeling like the game cares is in large part because accessibility as a whole has been ignored. It took us so long to get the brightness sliders, a basic accessibility feature in any game, and they don't even work the way they should to help issues. We still don't have any way to trade items between players when it's been shown that the lack causes disabled players to not be able to complete anything requiring items from skills they can't do (the biggest of which being fishing) - the issues with fishing have been known since beta began and continued well after soft launch. So it's not just the snowball flashbang that is causing the feelings, they've been here for a while /gen

[marsh depot]

Same here. Also because they have better deals on their bundles.

[fiery perch]

I dont even want to call them brightness sliders. They're gamma sliders and they dont help everyone. Pls i just want brightness & contrast sliders separate and not just 1 slider that's together.

[signal kayak]

infinity nikki took only 4 days to get 5 usd out of me (and then an additional 60 plus 50 that's not spent yet) that palia took 6 months to spend just 10 usd

[young plank]

it took me 2 LOL

[marsh depot]

It took me a week but they're still tempting me with the newest outfits

[raven orbit]

I was about to buy from Palia but the reddit AMA / monetization blog came out that day. As soon as I read they would be paywalling all fashion I decided they wouldn't get a cent out of me.

[marsh depot]

I was willing to see how Elderwoods turned out to purchase something. But after WC's statement, I'm never spending money on this game again.

[arctic comet]

I feel like they should do that, as someone who can't look at bright lights for long without getting a headache (and Palia has given me many headaches).

[young plank]

To be honest i used to spend an upwards of 60 bucks every month or so towards palia. i have since stopped that roughly 6 months ago. I refuse to play a game that openly saying "Hey screw your quests and your relationships with players! But uh... you got the cash for this new outfit that doesnt even look good"

[raven orbit]

Same! I get migraines from bright colours. I was so excited when the slider came out...until I realize it does literally nothing.

[pallid ferry]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. I'll pay $10 five times for different items before I'll entertain dropping $30+.

[fiery perch]

Genuinely something we've been wanting for ages. I'm glad the Gamma Slider is there at least, because it does/has helped some people, but then...

I just hope that accessibility gets more of a priority eventually & worked on and towards.

I also get headaches and stuff when things are too bright, or if it's contrasted too much. It's why I don't like that it's a "gamma slider", because i can't adjust both accordingly. I know there's Reshade, but not everyone has access to that, because they might be on switch.

I'm sorry that you deal with the same. Biggest of air hugs

[I see Roan typing ... Morning Roan! ]

[loud axle]

This is the biggest thing I don't understand.

What they're selling are pixels. There's no finite number of them and it costs nothing to produce mass amounts.

They are losing so much money by not taking the "less is more" mentality. People are so much more willing to spend $50 on ten different outfits at $5 a piece rather than $25 on two outfits.

[pallid ferry]

If I had to pay $10 for each individual pant/top for an outfit, and another $5 for the hat/hair accessory, I'd have a whole lot more cosmetics in my wardrobe.

[young plank]

Palia is on my last nerve. I feel like if elderwoods doesnt provide what im lookin for in a game i will be 100% uninstalling on elderwoods patch day.

[loud axle]

Morning Ori 🙂

[raven orbit]

It wouldn't be too bad if they offered a way to get the cash shop currency like Dreamlight Valley does with their whole dreamsnap thing. But with no movement on a lot of player concerns and the playerbase growing smaller each cash-filled update, I don't see that ever happening.

[fiery perch]

I remember when I saw you could preview pieces in the wardrobe, and I felt silly when I realized that's just a preview and i couldn't actually buy pieces individually. I was like, "omg finally" .. then realized you still have to buy the full pieces when I checked the "cart" or whatever it is. I still hoped it was at least a step towards that.

[scarlet hazel]

I wish they'd just listen

[loud axle]

What I've been saying for going on four years 😭

[marsh depot]

They're very much thinking of short-term gains over long-term ones. At least, that's how I view it based on their stance on "free dripping" cosmetics.

[signal kayak]

same with the diamonds of infinity nikki, exploring the world for chests, completing quests and challenges, all of them give rewards that includes some amount of diamonds to use towards the limited banner, and they (the devs) seem to regularly give out diamonds as thank yous for supporting the game (or when their update doesn't work as intended like yesterday). you don't have to spend money on the game, as everything can be completed totally free

[narrow narwhal]

Listening isn't the same as just doing the things you say. I know that's not the answer anyone wants to hear with legitimate complaints (and these are 100% legitimate complaints) but we are listening. There's more at play here.

[narrow narwhal]

If we did limited availability gacha banners, we'd give free currency too. With outfits always available and direct purchase, it doesn't work the same way. There are definite tradeoffs here.

[hexed cloak]

I just want to thank you for no gacha in Palia

[loud axle]

There have been some limited time items in the cash shop though - are we expecting those will come back around as a seasonal / yearly thing?

[scarlet hazel]

But if the monetization keeps going like it is, your just losing money instead of making it

[loud axle]

The Umbral Wol, for instance.

[raven orbit]

I think most people here understand that you can't do everything, but the lack of communication about what you can or what you are listening to adds to that feeling. I'll bring it up again because I'm personally affected, but the fact that many skills still remain inaccessible to disabled players with no alternative to allow those players to collect the items they need to complete quests or bundles where those items are needed. This has been talked about since day one of closed beta with no movement.

So surely you can understand how it appears that you aren't listening? /gen

[narrow narwhal]

It's tough because the gacha model legitimately benefits a lot of players. It allows you to make things earnable in a way that doesn't cannibalize sales from your high spenders, because the ceiling of spend is astronomically high. Smaller %s of spenders, higher spend per spender. Tradeoffs are things like limited availability and a gambling thing that people have different feelings on. Our model is meant to make things more up front and make monetization apply to a wider group of people. These things are true, but tradeoffs being that if you can't afford to spend at all, you won't get the content at all.

[scarlet hazel]

Yeah accessibility is such a huge problem in the game. It feels as if that front is not even thought about most of the time

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[scarlet hazel]

The brightness sliders don't work the way they're intended either. It just makes it worse (for me)

Like, if we had things that made it easier for those with disabilities to play or do skills, it'd only benefit everyone. There isn't an economy to ruin for thinking about disabled players. And it being blamed on the economy being ruined feels really off to me

[narrow narwhal]

We're exploring different stuff. The Umbral Wol will come back at some point. The feeling of exclusivity, while not my favorite thing to support broadly, has its role and a lot of people love it. We want to explore making items that appeal to a lot of different people with a lot of preferences, so we'll try stuff. It isn't and won't be the norm though.

[carmine gyro]

I'm surprised a Palia Pass (Battle Pass) wasn't implemented early. Cheaper cosmetic, a few free rewards, and encourages playtime.

[scarlet hazel]

Until there are ways to buy premium currency with in game golf, I'll never understand why the economy is such a worry

[hexed cloak]

Personally not a fan of pets because it's just a useless obstruction on your screen

[raven orbit]

The whole thing too is that if the lack of trading excuse is "well people might misuse it to bypass certain things" then surely the question should be "why would our players rather bypass this thing than play it?"

[narrow narwhal]

I've never meant to imply anything about the economy being the reason why we haven't supported disapled players as much as we should. We don't want to exclude anyone. The only thing I'll say is that every feature takes work, and that work comes from a feature we won't do instead. There's only so much time in a day for a dev to make changes to the game, that's all.

[narrow narwhal]

We'd love one, but it's a LOT of work.

[raven orbit]

So we can only expect accessibility once everything else is done?

[marsh depot]

What multiple people have been saying is that we'd be more willing to spend multiple smaller quantities of money in the game as opposed to spending a larger sum on 1 purchase.

You can still pander to big spenders while having your prices be more accessible to other players. Specially those that are outside of US/EU and with different currencies or exchange rates.

[scarlet hazel]

If there were updates or smth on how it's going or progress post, it would help a lot. As of right now it feels like s6 just doesn't care about disabled folks at all

The big disconnect of communication is just digging the hole further down

[narrow narwhal]

No certainly not. And it's not like we haven't done anything for accessibility, but there are a lot of needs across all palia players. Some experience game breaking bugs, some are upset with a lack of content, some can't play due to lack of accessibility, etc. etc. We can't focus all on one group or another.

[raven orbit]

The problem is there's been little to no focus on accessibility though. There have been brightness sliders that don't function as they should and a fail safe for one temple

[scarlet hazel]

And the fact that the brightness sliders don't even work as intended really and are gamma sliders instead

[narrow narwhal]

I hear this. We're going to be talking soon about ways people can get stuff at lower prices. It won't solve the problem, but can get closer towards what you're talking about. An issue is that it's hard to give some folks the opportunity to spend less without also cutting the spend from current spenders, and the balance rarely works out to more revenue (unintuitively, I might add).

[raven orbit]

I get you have to pick and choose what to do, as I'm sure everyone else does. The problem is just that accessibility is rarely, if ever, one of those things. As exhibited by most of the accessibility problems people have had since beta through soft launch still existing while being added to with every update still existing

[scarlet hazel]

And more not accessibility friendly things getting added too

[rare pine]

There are a lot of things holding me back from buying stuff in this game, but the biggest one is fear my account will get nuked for some reason or another and I lose everything.

[narrow narwhal]

Super valid

[carmine gyro]

I hope you've seen some success from the patch sales, though hopefully a bit more range in the future and expansion to other skins/pets.

[signal kayak]

would it be plausible to focus on one thing at a time? i don't think people would be overly upset if you said that the next update would focus solely on fixing bugs/glitches to help make the game more stable, no (or a few) new items or such, just bug fixes. then the next month's update would be new items/quests etc., followed by another group being focused on like accessibility?

[narrow narwhal]

Super fair perspective. I don't believe those prices make sense for a lot of people right now. Part of the model we have is so that if you don't feel like Palia is worth the spend, the outfits will still be here waiting for you when we do earn that from you.

[livid lagoon]

There's a lot I could have said, but I'm just gonna say that as always I'm disappointed with the policies and outlook on things, and how this is managed. I see a lot of "listening" and "validation" to the criticism, yet it always ends in a "but..." and then having things refuted in one way or the other. So yeah, no point for me to go into any thoughts on it I guess.

[rare pine]

This too. But I am fond of the masks, especially the wooden one. I've never cared for the full outfits cuz they're expensive and too restricting.

[scarlet hazel]

Focusing on one thing at a time would greatly reduce the issues that keep cropping up

[loud axle]

Is the target launch for Elderwoods still early this year WC or are the fires affecting development time?

[narrow narwhal]

In practice this isn't that true - we've put out some patches that were more focused on bugs than content, but we get met with "wow there's no content here." Not saying that that's wrong, but the folks who are upset are the ones in the conversation typically, so focusing on just one group's needs is like playing whack-a-mole. Usually we find it best to make a little progress on everything at once, but with some extra focus in certain areas at times.

[pallid ferry]

I'm waiting on the action of S6 fixing the flashbang issues so players don't have to risk their health. Seemed to me like a no-brainer priority.

[rare pine]

Also, some of the pricing doesn't make sense to me. Why are the masks (some of them) 666 coins? Why that number and not something more... round(?) or a price that makes more sense with the way coins are sold. I hope I'm making sense here

[narrow narwhal]

I think that's because there's a lot behind the choices being made - these aren't decisions made lightly or without massive amounts of experience, data, and reflection, and not all is or can be transparent. The usual path is to just never discuss the things we know we won't be able to change or don't have a change ready yet - I'm hoping adding some color is better than nothing. But that might be worse.

[ivory vessel]

"cozy" and "rush to grind a BP" don't go together IMO so i personally hope it stays the way it is now <3

[narrow narwhal]

That one was just meant to be a little sillier for the spooky thematic. We wanted to price it in that range regardless so going from 675 to 666 or so seemed fun to the dev team. Same with the 999 palcat representing 9 lives of a cat.

[livid lagoon]

Sounds like the response here is pretty much exactly what I'm saying it is, and that indeed you are confirming that there isn't much point in us delivering criticism and feedback then.

[narrow narwhal]

That's part of why it's so much work. If we did a battle pass, we probably wouldn't want it to work exactly like fortnite's, for instance.

[fiery perch]

I'm just wanting to put my input here, i think it can work depending on how it's done. The example I gave like this, in my post here:: #💬│palia-discussions message

That way it can reduce fomo and not feel like a rush

[carmine gyro]

Oh god no, Marvel Rivals new battle pass feature is a better step in the right direction where it doesn't expire.

[fiery perch]

Yes and no. Marvel rivals you have to buy the bpass for it not to expire. it felt very sneaky to me. [I still love the game tho.]

[narrow narwhal]

I mean, for certain asks, sure. For instance, if your feedback was that Palia should be a box product game where you pay $40 to get access, all I could say is that I understand you want that and we won't be making that change, as it would impact too many people who we want to support who couldn't play then. And we've gotten this feedback a lot. And that's our only response. But the feedback is valid and I wouldn't discourage anyone from sharing. (sry hit enter too early)

[pallid ferry]

A battlepass for Palia IMO would look more like the current Twitch rewards- some hunting horns and whatnot.

[hexed cloak]

I hope this also means that you won't be moving to a mandatory subscription model like other MMOs

[narrow narwhal]

We have a design that we feel pretty good about, and it definitely shares some qualities with what you're describing. But it's not currently being worked on because honestly there are so many things to do and monetization features are not the focus. We're doing some very small scope ones to make things a bit better for folks but that's a BIG project and we're not willing to commit to a big monetization product right now.

[somber crag]

Interesting, interesting... do you mean you have until a certain date to purchase before it does expire? I'm genuinely curious because I was thinking about biting the bullet and trying it (as an OW player).

BP structures are very interesting to me. I do wonder what it would look like in Palia.

[narrow narwhal]

We will not be.

[lyric night]

yup u have to buy it in the season its available and can then finish it whenever

[narrow narwhal]

Exactly. We have higher priorities to support players than battle pass.

[ivory vessel]

i get the point and i appreciate the heart you put in that, but palia is still a game i wanna play to chill and relax. and that means different things for different people. maybe you just open your game and water your crops and move some furniture around once a day, or maybe you spend hours hunting, or maybe you only pop into the game every couple of weeks to get a login reward cuz you've gotten through every quest available - it would be impossible to keep up with even the simplest of passes without changing the way one plays. and personally i think the concept of a series of daily quests already means a type of grind. maybe i hate fishing but hey my daily says i gotta fish - it's just an example (plus i mean we already have the weeklies). stuff like this takes away the chill vibes, in my opinion.

[pulsar meteor]

for another anecdote, i've done two battle passes in Pokemon Unite. both times I went hard for a month to get it done, then didn't touch it for three or four afterwards because i was sick of it

[fiery perch]

I can understand that! I was moreso imagining things that people would already be doing, not something that would make it feel like you'd go out of your way. And, just saying for me at least, with the feeling of it never expiring, it would feel like [to me] I could go at my own pace. I do understand that it's different for other people, and I do get where youre coming from!

[rare pine]

I was about to say this. It doesn't have to follow the same model as other season passes

[fiery perch]

I don't think a bpass belongs in the game right now though. I just always bring up my idea/concept, since it does tend to become a topic every once in a while.

[narrow narwhal]

Yeah these are some of the design challenges we face with Palia. Trying to maintain a cozy experience while people have such strongly different reactions to the same systems can be very challenging.

[livid lagoon]

I assume that was meant as an example, as I at least have never suggested that. But everytime I see a suggestion here from anyone regarding pricing structures, all I see is "valid point" and "get why you'd feel that" promptly followed by a "but my data say no". Every time I see someone provide feedback and get a response, I always see it refuted. I can dig up some feedback I had from a discussion a short while back, some that are actually substantiated in the real world because it has made people who were on the cusp of spending choose to not spend, but I'm 100% expecting it to be refuted particularly based on some of the things you said earlier today.

[narrow narwhal]

I think there's a version that if I could snap my fingers and magic into existence, would be great from palia. But if I'm magicking stuff into existence there's a ton of stuff I'd start with before battle pass.

[carmine gyro]

What kind of wizard are you then? /s

[marsh depot]

Same here. Precisely the feeling I'm getting.

[ivory vessel]

different players will always have different reactions to things, though, you can't please everyone...

[dry swift]

Hey everybody! How's it going today?

I see we are all having a civil discussion about pricing structures. I, too, like money!

[somber crag]

Very true. I guess that's what makes the whole 'bpass' conversation hard, 'cause I know a lot of players wouldn't like it... but the point would be that it's optional. You wouldn't have to opt into it if you didn't want to subscribe to the dailies/challenges. My partner and I are a good example of that in OW, since I will often by the bpass if there's at least two skins I want, but he never does... yet plays with me.

[narrow narwhal]

It's possible. And we could be wrong about any of this. All we can do is try our best to do what we feel is best to make the best Palia we can, for years and years and years. Part of that process is gathering feedback and thinking critically about what needs reevaluation. But thinking critically is not the same as blindly following the feedback. Our responsibility and commitment to you is the former, not the latter. :/

[ivory vessel]

OW bp is another joke, bring back loot boxes 2k25 lol

[scarlet hazel]

It's really hard to trust that since communication still isn't the greatest on what's being taken into consideration and what's thrown out

[dry swift]

I could see a battlepass being good for the game if there was an option to buy into it with ingame gold, too for dedicated players. But what would we even put on it? Cosmetics? Guild Tokens? A firm handshake from Reth?

[narrow narwhal]

As someone who was deeply invested in OW at launch, the "bring back lootboxes" sentiment is wild. If you could tell 2016 WizardCrab that we'd be seeing that today he'd never believe you.

[livid lagoon]

Can never please everyone is 100% true. It just ain't possible. But there's also a balance to be reached, and it seems the balance is very, very off here.

[somber crag]

Fully agree with you on it being a joke, but I am blissfully unaware of the ✨ before times ✨ because I didn't really start playing until OW 2.

[narrow narwhal]

Trying to improve.

[carmine gyro]

A hand shake from Reth? just put that straight in the store for $50.

[ivory vessel]

oh /same/. me and my friends used to joke, this one's gonna be a boring 3 whites 1 blue LOL but that was still a better system IMO. we had the chance to get everything, just depending on luck. still, i understand that the game being F2P now they need other ways to make bank... and that's a whole other conversation

[narrow narwhal]

❤️

[pallid ferry]

Lettuce.

[dry swift]

Loot Boxes? Once Human flashbacks to $500 car skin intensify

[narrow narwhal]

Anyway, I gotta go back to development in a minute. Game's not gonna make itself. 😄

[carmine gyro]

I just like more frequent roadmaps like the Elderwoods one, every 6 months at least.

[wispy lance]

Quest events would be nice and at the end if you completed some tasks you earn an outfit and some other things. It wouldn't need to be super awesome outfit even printed shirts would be nice 💜

[pulsar meteor]

also worth remembering, a strong sentiment in here isn't necessarily a representative sample; i'm sure S6 has plenty of analytics about how many people buy coins at which price points, how many back away from the transactions, and what the effects of smaller buys (masks, glider/ tool skins etc) has on the overall purchases, and adjust accordingly

[dry swift]

I feel like rather than adding more quests in the game, we need to do something with Guilds/Communities first. Guilds have so much potential for task systems/earnable cosmetics, upgraded tools, new recipes, etc. but the only purpose guild tokens serve at the moment is "Good job, here's a piece of furniture." I'm not even going to get started on communities because we know they do nothing for the game in their current state.

[livid lagoon]

That may not be your intention, but it feels like my words are being twisted here to some degree, as in adding sentiments to what I'm saying that I'm not expressing here. This part in particular:

But thinking critically is not the same as blindly following the feedback.
I've never in any way implied that. What I'm saying is that it feels like practically NO feedback is being genuinely taken on board, which is very different from that.

I'm not oblivious to the fact that you're a company, and companies need to make a profit. Profit has to come from somewhere. But again, potential paying customers and former paying customers feedback does not truly seem valued here. It very much feels like indeed the things we had a vague, short talk a few days ago re. false data applies to S6 as well.

[fiery perch]

I know this was said a while ago, but been trying to gather my thoughts on this and put it into words.

I can understand that there are folks who get upset if there's no content, I get it. [Although I'm not sure what you mean by, the ones in the conversation typically, admittedly.]

But, I'm sure there's also a good handful of people who would be okay with a patch that was dedicated to bugs. Like, really go in and fix bugs and glitches. As long as there's communication that is what is being worked on beforehand-- instead of dropping the patch notes on the day.

I know there will def be people upset over it, like people have mentioned, can't please everyone. But it definitely would probably help some players play the game more, I'd imagine. Not only because it would feel more communicative, but also because it would really look like some bugs/glitches were getting squashed.

That said, I do understand that it can feel like playing "whack-a-mole", especially because, again, it's hard to please everyone. You can't do it. And it can definitely feel like you gotta do a bit of progress on everything at once. And maybe I'm alone here with this thought [genuinely], but I do think being communicative & talking about what the patch is going to be focused on, could potentially help with that feeling. Again, potentially.

[raven orbit]

I hope accessibility is at least touched before the Elderwoods release this year.

I think disabled players would like to be able to play the game, and do things like bundles, before such a big update.

[ivory vessel]

please take the time to fix the cauldron bug, i can't keep telling people it's broken and no one has an ETA like five times a day <3 breaks a girl's heart

[young plank]

Honeslty alot of things can improve but in till you as a company are willing to listen to the users that take time out of their day to sit and play. I feel like palia is on a downward slope towards the iceberg. There is more to life then pushing costumes costing 30+. The sheer amount of stuff lacking and also the sheer AMOUNT of bugs from palia as a whole as well is concerning. You WILL lose alot of players on "Launch day" if this doesnt go well and when i say something from my gut i am 90% right

[raven orbit]

Many disabled players have already left

[livid lagoon]

If Steam active player stats are fairly representative for the other platforms it is available on too, then the downward slope is well on its way.

[dry swift]

Fixing bugs is great and I honestly can't fault devs for wanting to fix their game, but the "content" updates we get are usually a few potato pods and plushies, a new piece of furniture for plots, and some new premium store content 🤷 I wouldn't really call that content.

[fiery perch]

I mean, I agree. I don't really count that content, personally, but I know some players do at least.

[lethal granite]

i just want a game that isn’t actively harmful

[dry swift]

If it's because S6 is focusing all their dev time on Elderwoods to make it the best update yet than I can understand that but it would help if it were communicated more clearly.

[fiery perch]

I really hope the issue with the flashbangs, whether it's via snowballs or the sporadic white-out screen, gets fixed soon 🙏

[lime granite]

Hard to stick around when major accessibility needs for disabled players are somehow never the "focused on" group for updates

[narrow narwhal]

10,000%

[ivory vessel]

there hasn't been many bug fixes as of late, either...

[narrow narwhal]

Aight I gotta bounce. See y'all later.

[young plank]

See you agree. So why the wait for new content other then to fill your pockets and run?

[dry swift]

I guess either way, whenever there is some controversy in here I feel mostly indifferent to the future of Palia now; which is not a good feeling to have about a game you put 1,000 hours into.

I feel like many of us have tried to give our feedback, have tried to help in our own ways through legitimate channels and after being ignored for well over a year now we just decided to move on with our lives. I don't like being apathetic towards Palia, but I feel like S6 did this to themselves.

[loud axle]

I really do wonder what the current dev numbers look like. The team's definitely much smaller than it was but I wonder what the exact makeup is - if they only have two or three engineers left, it explains a lot.

[ivory vessel]

and actually take the feedback. no use having a CM here just for show

[rare pine]

I thought this would've been my "main" game for a while. I was so young and hopeful.

[dry swift]

It just doesn't make much sense to me either if S6 is a small team for them NOT to accept more player feedback or seek help from players who have experience with development and would be willing to volunteer their time. Plenty of other titles allow it to happen it and mostly turns out great when you crowdsource.

[fiery perch]

I honestly am a bit at a loss for words, admittedly, lol

[raven orbit]

I hope after a community manager that an accessibility consultant is the next hire /gen

[dry swift]

Games thrive because of their players. I think too many companies forget that.

[loud axle]

I definitely programmed a couple quests back in the day for Ragnarok Online when I was a "volunteer" mod. 🤣 I say it in quotes because we didn't get a regular paycheck or anything but they gave us their in-game "premium" for free

I don't know exactly how everything works but I am very good at taking an example and copying it

[marsh depot]

When I started playing and I saw the early signs of it, I was concerned we would have another EA type of situation in our hands. And sadly, that's pretty much how I feel regarding the game and the company nowadays. Very little accountability and poor communication.

[somber crag]

Y'all don't need me to thank you for good discussion, but I'mma thank you for it anyways. ❤️

[dry swift]

I think S6 developed themselves into a corner, where they started with extremely lofty goals that were probably attainable with their initial team. Then when the layoffs happened twice, they were suddenly put into an impossible situation. The devs like WC are probably doing the best they can with what they have but they're probably overwhelmed trying to balance both content creation AND communication AND finding a way to make revenue.

[somber crag]

I appreciate y'all continuing to share your feedback in constructive ways.

[pallid ferry]

Sometimes we put marshmallows on the ends of our pitchforks.

[young plank]

And devs that are experienced wouldnt have let a game get this bad in state anyway.

[livid lagoon]

I only half agree. As with all things I think it's about balance.

If too much can be earned, then of course there's not gonna be an interest in using the shop. If too much is locked behind money, then there is not enough in the game to keep people interested.

But even with a good balance of what is and isn't locked, wrong pricing or bad quality of products do have an effect as well. I've mentioned it before in here so I won't drag it all up, but there are people ready to pay, wanting to pay, but because the threshold is way too high it ends up with them never doing it.

The incentive vs cost is way off.

EDIT: In hindsight I realize I may have misread what you said... I'll leave this here though as general thoughts.

[dry swift]

It just seems pretty obvious S6 is way over their heads when you see the quality vs. the quantity of updates. Every new update feels "flashy" and "cheap" to me and it's not hard to find cracks in the game.

[loud axle]

A lot of the GlassDoor reviews' advice to management was to listen more to the dev team and stop trying to micromanage :/

[raven orbit]

Not to mention the fact that the outfit vfx are inaccessible and there's still no toggle to not see them /gen

[loud axle]

I can never blame the devs because I know so many of them truly were / are passionate about the game and want it to be successful.

[marsh depot]

Definitely so. They bit off more than they can chew and created this situation for themselves. Which is also why they need to start rebuilding that lost trust with their playerbase.

[dry swift]

Nothing against you guys, it just feels like whenever we're having this discussion we're always just running around in circles and getting nothing productive out of it since nothing seems to change after. But I'm glad we're at least passionate about the future of the game. Anyways, time for lunch 🙂

[young plank]

Yet when other games let the players give active feedback and they improve on it instead of saying "Well things are hard" it just proves my point. You have active players spending hundreds of dollars on your game and you cant take the time to sit down and push a bug patch while your still working on elderwoods. (this isnt meant towards you but my gripe towards the company)

[rare pine]

Feedback only flows one way. Downwards.

[livid lagoon]

I'll just reiterate something quickly: A lot of people (being guilty of this often enough myself) occasionally use the word "devs" to mean two different things. The actual coders and the "company developing the game (which includes and more often refers to management and how it is managed as opposed to actual developers)".

Yeah, and generally it should indeed mean that, but I've seen it happen regularly (and again, I'm guilty myself) where people type things up quickly and say devs. After all, you see a store front and it says "Developer: Singularity 6", which I'm sure is a reason why devs is also used to refer to the company as a whole.

[hidden trail]

Palia's biggest hurdle IMO has always been its own management.

[loud axle]

For sure. But I think it's better than nothing at all as sometimes we do get new voices added to the conversation, and it's a lot better to keep talking about the problem rather than just sweeping it under the rug.

I am very worried that, with the holidays over, the snowball issue is once again going to be ignored and forgotten about until it pops up again next year

[fiery perch]

This is my huge concern too, especially since the event is ending on the 20th.

[fallow saffron]

I’ve thought the same exact thing :(

Also if Palia is still here a year from now

[signal kayak]

still think it will fully depend on how great (or bad) elderwoods will be. elderwoods will probably need to have an almost absolute flawless execution on release date to keep palia afloat. but, honestly, not even sure if that would be enough to bring some of the players (including myself) back to the game. which is sad when i've spent 3,235 hours in the game

[loud axle]

I might check it out but until there's player trading and some actual community / party activities I don't see a reason to play actively.

[fiery perch]

This and more accessibility. Altho, honsetly, unless Gales gets some way for me to bypass it in a accessible way, I wont' be able to do the main story in elderwoods anyways, soo... ..

But i'm hoping theyre working on it still, since they were testing stuff out with the last temple/questline stuff.

[livid lagoon]

This. I want to give the benefit of the doubt, and now that we're finally seeing some presence of S6 (even if I often disagree with the sentiments shared), I want to hope this is an attempt at turning a new leaf.

But it's just hard to trust that any real change will actually happen.

[hidden trail]

I think we're at the point that there's so much pressure on the elderwoods update that it's unlikely to live up to expectations esp given what we know about the layoffs and how thinly the staff has been stretched for so long.

[livid lagoon]

Yeah, I have a really bad feeling about Elderwoods. Definitely seems like a make or break, and considering the time spent on it and how thin the updates have been (and as such, leading to expectations about content) I think it is set up to fail.

[warm python]

idk as long as whole features (and yes, I consider cosmetics in a game like this features) are paywalled I just have no urge to come back. It's disappointing that it feels that they think that doing underwise will put the company under (again) but

I mean on top of...all the other reasons but

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[loud axle]

Yeah, it really seemed like an okay model at first but when most of the gameplay is cosmetics and how your house looks it really feels like fully paywalling outfits, plot skins, pets, etc. is paywalling content in a way.

We might not have the exact numbers for how the game's doing playerwise and moneywise, but it just seems from an outside perspective that the current model isn't working.

[dry swift]

I'm going to go out in a whim here and say S6 probably isn't profiting given that WC himself has said that they're working on hiring more staff yet we haven't gotten any news of them doing so.

You would think that if S6 actually hired more staff we would get some news about it since it would be a positive since the 2 rounds of massive layoffs.

I almost wonder if S6 constantly shilling the cash shop and putting new premium stuff in there is just Daybreak prodding them and asking "Why aren't you guys making enough money? You need to find ways to make more money or we're going to put you in maintenance mode/cut funding." And this is S6's only feasible way they think they can respond.

[pulsar meteor]

even before the cuts they were pretty mum on hiring, we'd occasionally get a blurb like 'we are over 125 employees now!' but never more granular, so that part at least isn't surprising to me

and there were plenty of complaints about a seeming over-emphasis on the premium store well before the acquisition

[dry swift]

You would think with Daybreak's money though they could have put a slight brake on it though, ya know?

[pulsar meteor]

i wouldn't, no

if they are cashflow negative, i can't see any reason why they'd scale back on trying to increase the revenue. the lifeline from daybreak is more about giving them the runway to get to cashflow positive, not letting them slide on carrying their own billables

[narrow narwhal]

We hire people all the time. Someone just started yesterday. It'd be a bit odd to announce it every time I think. We only talk about the CM here because it directly impacts the experience folks here have.

In general, there are lots of stuff happening all the time that may or may not make sense to talk about broadly.

[dry swift]

See now, knowing you guys are hiring people in general would be nice to know. Since I imagine I'm not alone in thinking that S6 is operating on a skeleton crew since the layoffs.

[west marlin]

Sorry Jan in accounting, I'm sure we're just as excited to know you got hired as the future cm

[narrow narwhal]

That's fair - I can see that. Yeah, we're hiring!

[dry swift]

And honestly when it comes to Palia, even the bland news would be better than what we've been getting.

Any communication is welcome communication.

[west marlin]

Can you tell us what the deal with the honey is

I really want to know 😂

I was actually just coming here to check in and see if we got an answer

[dry swift]

Also, maybe not now, but after Elderwoods drops; assuming it's going to save the game. I'd love to see S6 implement more player suggestions into the game. I see so many great ideas on the Discord that undoubtedly would enrich the player experience.

[unborn furnace]

Speaking of ideas to enhance player experience. I was thinking, it be awesome if Palia added some mini-games. I saw this penguin tower defense game that feels like it's got some League of Legends: Turrent Defense vibes, and it's super fun. Imagine it with hunters vs. chapaas instead of monsters and penguins

[loud axle]

All of it culminates in your housing plot, though. You place your fish and bugs in tanks to show off on your housing plot, or you use them for quests or bundles to get... more furniture for your housing plot.

[dry swift]

How did you get a gif in here? What witchcraft is this??

[loud axle]

Mobile keyboards can include gifs in here.

[scarlet hazel]

i honestly would love a hunting update that adds really easy to hunt creatures or smth. not th annoying stuff that is the muujins

[unborn furnace]

I guess it's because it isn't a link

[dry swift]

I'd like to see more QoL hunter updates as well, like giving us the ability to combine slowdown arrows with dispel arrows. Making something like honey lures for hunting, etc.

[loud axle]

But yeah Ciri I would definitely love to see more to do with those skills.

A repeatable instanced dungeon like the Pavel Mines is something I keep dreaming about with cooperative puzzles, high-end resources, and new huntable creatures, bugs, and fish

[dry swift]

The housing plot is a nice way to show off your achievements, but at the end of the day the stuff outside your plot should be fun enough too that you actually want to grind it out for the housing decor.

You know what's not fun? Mining for 8 hours trying to get quality starstones.

[astral flare]

i envy your patience

[dry swift]

Potions with boosts would be fun, ways for solo players to actually make decent gold would be fun, ranching would be fun, guild contracts/outfits would be fun. pokes Palia with stick Do something!

Hunting Magic muujins for hours to try and get a plush when all plushies are now tradeable is not an incentive.

[lyric night]

u get a decent amount of gold as a solo player ever since they did the economy update with patch 180
its extremely easy to get gold nowadays

[astral flare]

there should have a channel to share ideas /gen

[dry swift]

How so? Is it with farming/preserving jars?

[opal cypress]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[hexed cloak]

!feedback

[opal cypress]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[lyric night]

preserve jars are always passive income no matter if u are solo or not

just playing the game yields enough gold
bcs I get lost and can't focus on one thing I just run around and collect/hunt everything I see

[dry swift]

But is it comparable to how good starstone hunting was when it first came out? Because that honestly felt like the closest thing solo players got to cake parties.

[scarlet hazel]

kind of. apple jam sells for a ton. but the speed at apples grows makes it far far slower then starstones when they came out

[dry swift]

Starstone mining and bug catching during chopping/mining used to be great until they nerfed starstone rates, then they also nerfed spawn rates for ancient beetles/centipedes which made no sense at all.

[lyric night]

that is not beatable probably, bcs it was permantly spawning pal with getting a few starstones back then
but starstones were also not rly good design wise in the beginning
the change they did was okay imo (even tho it was a tiny bit too much)

now everything just yields the same amount of gold no matter what u choose to do bcs they buffed every skill (except for starstones of course they got the nerf)

[dry swift]

Well, isn't that kind of boring then when everything yields the same amount of gold?

Honestly, it's like S6 hates having a currency in their game without them actually telling us they hate having a currency in their game. They act like gold will destroy the game's economy when there is no economy to begin with.

[lyric night]

no, bcs a player can choose what they want to do

[dry swift]

Fair enough. I guess if I want to enjoy loot there are always other games to choose from.

Not like gold really has a use a few hundred hours in anyways.

[pearl wave]

Why are we talking about outfits when s6 is not fixing flashbangs / vfx issue rn. It's very clearly that s6 don't care about accessibility

[dry swift]

We talk about the flashbang issue all the time in here. It's just like anything else we discuss in here. Nothing ever gets done about it and if we're lucky, Wizardcrab comes in, does a little dance, then leaves.

We've beaten every issue in here with a stick so many times, the stick is now a stump and the issues are a fine paste. I don't know what else we can do at this point.

[pearl wave]

Yeah, it's didn't help that LA have fire issue going on and it's not even over. But the game actually got so much worse while s6 is dealing with the issue and it's didn't freaking help that WC is acting nonchalant about it

[olive carbon]

#🎭│palia-memes message very relevant hime meme!!!!

[west marlin]

[dry swift]

Where is the lie?

It reminds me of that meme "S6: One like on my post and I will put another outfit in the shop!" S6 liked their own post "Say no more fam!"

[pearl wave]

I'm just frustrated and disappointed that WC just comes in here and is acting nonchalant about any issues regarding flashbang/ vfx and other bugs.

I'm just worried that every time we bring up outfits, other bugs. stop releasing the dang premium outfits and fix the flashbang, I haven't been able to play palia for months due to this

[dry swift]

At first I thought WC and S6 were actually working to address the flashbang issue, but I'm really starting to think now that they could just be trying to sweep it under the rug until it comes up next year.

[west marlin]

To be fair, I think it's different people who make the costumes and fix things, so they can do both at the same time

[pearl wave]

And the next year and year after that, it's makes me angry :(

[pearl wave]

Alright but my point still stands with how WC's behavior of lately in here

[west marlin]

That's fair, I hope they are prioritizing fixing the flashbang effects too it impacts my friends they can't even play

[hidden trail]

It's not even just the snowballs... All these premium outfits that have sfx have the potential to cause pain or worse to players with photosensitivity etc. They don't have a way for players to protect themselves from seeing those outside of not playing

[barren nexus]

@dense shadow Hi! Moving this here so people can continue trading.

Most of us would not feel the need to call out people who lie in trading chat if only we were given the 2 things that were promised before the creation of the new channel. (See 1st photo)

The wiki is quite confusing, since Palia has its own tagging of “rarity.” See 2nd and 3rd photos for better infographics you can use instead.

It would be great if both mods and seasoned traders worked together to keep the trading channel safe from scammers. 🙂

[dry swift]

It definitely does feel like WC is dismissive of any and all feedback we have. Even with the employee thing he's like "Oh, we hired someone yesterday. They're not a CM though so we thought it wouldn't be important to mention." like that would have been nice to know!

[pearl wave]

I know and I appreciate that WC saying that but, it's really didn't help since there nothing he can do and we need real answers

The sad part is, I don't think this issues will be fixed due to LA's wild fire is going to continue in few days with another windstorm and this isn't the time and place for WC to continue making excuses (regardless if it's the excuse or not), there gotta be a line somewhere.

[dry swift]

I just don't see how you can have 0 communication with your community, not address a major graphical bug that has been out for months that alienates an entire section of your community, all while pushing new shop items; and then wonder why people are quitting or refusing to spend real money on your game.

[pearl wave]

Thank you, exactly

[west marlin]

Maybe there are deleted posts but it looks like someone was saying they felt ripped out trading 13 pods when the offered 10 correct me if I'm wrong but that dosent seem like a case of rarity which is what you are allowed to discuss

[dry swift]

"Huh, there sure are a lot less players on lately and all my friends have quit; but this bumblebee dress sure is cute on my masculine character. Game must be good."

[west marlin]

weird to me you can't even say 'that trade feels like a rip off' about your own trade but technically the rarity isn't part of it

[dry swift]

We should just go back to having 0 trading at all in the game because it's "cheating".

[pearl wave]

Question, I'm aware that this is a small team but surely there someone who does deal with this type of stuffs and is actively fixing it? Or WC is basically saying, they are not really working due to most of staffs being in LA?

[west marlin]

Even the attitude on the reddit is shifting towards frustration about bugs which is shocking because reddit has historically been extremely hostile towards critisim of the game

[barren nexus]

It was an issue of consistency, not value.

In a deleted post a trader offered 1 limited for every 3 pods. When my friend met them in the UG they said “price change now it’s 10 for 1”

Less than 10 mins later the trader asks for bids for Sandi. Someone who did not see the original post bid for 10. Trader asked for 12 instead. We called it out. We got timed out.

[dry swift]

I'm sure as other plushies get rarer too the scamming will only get worse lol

S6 be like: "Oh no!... we have to hire a moderation team for our rules now."

[west marlin]

I don't know enough about trading to say for sure, but the rules say you're allowed to tell someone the rarity of an item, but it's up to the traders to decide if - despite knowing the rarity - is fair to them personally

[tired plover]

it's pretty interesting that we're having this same exact conversation like 7 days apart. Seems like it's top of mind for a lot of the community who plays this game

[pearl wave]

Because nothing is being done.

[dry swift]

Yep. We just keep going around in circles every week. We just add more topics to that circle because nothing gets done about the previous topics. Fun, right?

[west marlin]

The rules did change tho now obviously I can't say if they're actually being fairly enforced

But it did go from 'no discussion' to 'you can inform people of the rarity'

[barren nexus]

The whole trading discussion with WC ended with two solutions everyone was happy with. None of these were implemented.

[pearl wave]

I don't know what rules you mean but if it's not regarding in game fixing, I don't really care about trading if im going to be frank

Trading isn't really a big critical bug fixing rn

[west marlin]

The trade channel rules sorry I thought that's what you meant

[dry swift]

I mean, trading definitely isn't the biggest issue, but I think technicoler's feelings are valid.

[pearl wave]

It's ok! I'm glad that the rules are there and I'm happy for mods. But I was referring to nothing being done in game

[west marlin]

These are great idea I just don't know if they address what happened today it just sounds like someone upped their prices

[dry swift]

There are so few things in Palia to actually care about anymore anyways so it's nice to see when a player does actually care about something.

[pearl wave]

Of course, everyone are valid

[west marlin]

Yeah the traders are probably some of the most dedicated palia players they deserve to be treated well tbh

If they want to retain players I suspect the ones farming plushies all days should be high priority

[fiery perch]

it did seem like the person, that the trade offer was to, was responding how they felt about said trade & they got a .. i guess, warning? about the rules. so it did seem a bit weird.

But idk, looks like some messages got deleted so might fo also missed something

[pearl wave]

I hope the scammers are getting the punishment tho, nobody deserves to be slapped in the face when they keep doing that behavior

[west marlin]

You should be allowed to comment on your own trade, that's so weird

[dry swift]

I doubt S6 actually enforces most of its rules except for chat/spamming-related offenses.

[west marlin]

Like what are you expected to just ignore people if you don't like the offer? You can't tell them you think it's unfair?

[fiery perch]

yeah, like again i might of missed something cuz looks like some messages were deleted lol, but idno

[dry swift]

You could probably run a bot in Palia and it would never get detected, too.

[scarlet hazel]

hopefully but i have doubts. i have a potato pod i dont need but im not bothering with trading cause of the weird rules going on. like calling out scammers is offensive

im just tired

[hexed cloak]

Just trade it in the underground without using the Discord trading channel

[dry swift]

Same. I'm done fighting S6 so instead I just don't log in or spend money on their game. Hoping others do the same until they actually do something to want us to come back.

[scarlet hazel]

i dont wanna deal with ppl constantly leaving the table over and over til i find someone to take my single potato pod

[scarlet hazel]

there will always be whales that will happily spend sadly. so i doubt that would do anything

[late nebula]

Just put plushies in your inventory and forget about it. That’s what people did before trading came out

[hexed cloak]

My advice, don't stand there at the table waiting for someone. Call out in chat what pod you have

[dry swift]

That's fine then. The whales can whale and I and many others can find games we actually enjoy.

[barren nexus]

It’s more than just a price change. It felt like a bait. Vulnerable players are likely to just give in to a bad trade once you’ve already made your way to UG and are excited to get your first Nox.

[late nebula]

I’m a whale that just bought 2 skins. Oop- 🫢

[west marlin]

I guess but giving them the benefit of the doubt is it possible they changed their minds or just didn't feel good about the first offer?

[late nebula]

I also don’t get how people just trade without knowing any of the plushies. Or maybe they just don’t care.

[dry swift]

I imagine a lot of it is probably younger kids too since that's a demographic this game is aimed towards.

[fiery perch]

Some people might think they have similar rarity

[scarlet hazel]

with how many plushies are in the game, im not gonna remember all of them just because some have some kind of value

[dry swift]

There's also not really an "official" trade guide out there so it's still the Wild West.

[scarlet hazel]

and the fact that there are plushes that cost irl money that you can have ingame too

[late nebula]

And it’s an offer. You don’t have to accept them. Just move on and find what you want. Don’t have to talk to that person.

[barren nexus]

Sure. But why can’t we call it out or clarify without getting timed out?

[pearl wave]

Keep in mind that most people don't have discord and they might not know the worth of it

[west marlin]

I'm not a mod but it might have come off like you assumed the worst of them or were being unkind?

[fiery perch]

And yeah, that's true. And I think that's something that a lot of people can agree on. But it should also be fine for said person to mention why they may find it unfair to said person, if it's at least done in a civil way

[scarlet hazel]

well im just not gonna bother with trading regardless. its just a mess, like a lot of mechanics in game are rn

[thorn hearth]

But there are infographics that have been made about what plushies are obtainable where and how easily to try and help people make informed decisions and they banned them.

[scarlet hazel]

if things could just get refined and have clarity in how they function, things wouldn't be so messy as they are rn

[west marlin]

Couldn't tell you without seeing the actually comments tbh but I wouldn't assume someone who said that was trying to scam vs just getting cold feet about their trade

[fiery perch]

Like, "Hey, I don't think this is fair because of this and this. Maybe we can figure out something different" or "I saw you trade x and y differently not too long ago, can we do a similar trade? This doesn't feel fair to me because of this."

But again, as long as it's civil and not people being outright rude to eachother

[pearl wave]

Are we sure that mods are banning the ones who voicing their views when there might be deleted messages? That's just seem like wrong tho

[dry swift]

It's almost like we wouldn't have to have this discussion right now if S6 had just implemented the changes they said they were going to implement.

[pearl wave]

We don't know at this point

[scarlet hazel]

with how ppl got muted for just speaking in a thread, its hard for me to say really. its all just odd and off feeling

[west marlin]

I don't think anyone got banned, they just got muted afiak

[late nebula]

I know 2 people that got muted in that situation. And the scam has been happening for awhile and mods never did anything about it. So they were just mad

[thorn hearth]

Several of my friends got muted for 24 hours because they spoke out

[pearl wave]

I think this could have been bought up in modmail if that the case but shrugs idk

[late nebula]

“ Just use mod mail” 🤗

[tacit dock]

My understanding is there were a few people that got completely server banned. I could have heard wrong though.

[pearl wave]

Ok well if you not willing to use modmail to discuss the issues with mods then idk what to tell you.

[west marlin]

I'm just trying to look at it from a netrual perspective, and I don't see how someone offer 10 in one trade and then deciding to do 12 instead is scamming in this specfic case

[dry swift]

They were at first afaik then it got reduced to mutes.

[west marlin]

Well the first time around, yes, I saw someone say slurs, so some people did get banned. But I mean this situation right now

[fiery perch]

Yeah, I dont rly view it as 'scamming'. just something that is unfair and that how someone might feel about it valid [as in, feeling like they were going to get ripped off, etc].

But there could be more to it than that. idk

[west marlin]

Which is totally fair, I think the wording is important because 'scammer' implies negetive intent

[dry swift]

I mean, at the end of the day, it's like bartering in real life. If the other party changes their offer at the last second you still have a right to say yes or no. Not saying what the other party did was right, but if you then decide "no" that's on them.

[pearl wave]

I'm not choosing sides, there just might be a scenario where we don't see where and why mods punished users for what reasons.

But I doubt the mods will discuss the moderation punishment so this will have to be fixed directly at modmail.

If the mods genuinely punishing the wrong ones then, how is that going to be fixed without bringing it to their attention?

[west marlin]

To answer your question, you need to talk to WC privately
It is the only way

[pearl wave]

I did noticed that some people just refuse to talk to mods due to their dislike, I don't know :/

[tired plover]

I think this is how S6 feels too. I think it's why we don't see rules about it changing very much.

But I think the problem is, if it's going to be bartering in real life, we also have to be able to yell loudly about the thieves who approach us. If we can't self-police, we also need rules for trading

[pearl wave]

Yeah :/

[dry swift]

I agree. We should be able to call out scammers as we see them, too.

Unfortunately, I do not make the rules. 😦

I think S6 just has the stance of trying to avoid chat drama ingame by all means necessary.

[tired plover]

what if we flip the script. don't call out scammers, simply reply to the user opposite of them in the trade with "I think you may find a better deal elsewhere!"

[west marlin]

Yeah I think that's agreeable, and with the new rules you should be allowed to say even 'that's a one is one plush you can't get anymore'

[pearl wave]

I think this is it

[dry swift]

It does feel kinda bad that players have to police trades though.

[tired plover]

at least that way we're encouraging the player to get a trade in their favour, rather than being negative toward another user

[pearl wave]

Isn't that going to fall under the rule of "don't discuss the value"? I'm not sure how this will work

[west marlin]

Not if you stick to the rarity facts

[dry swift]

Then again, isn't scamming in any game with ANY kind of trading just an issue with MMOs they have never been able to solve?

[warm python]

I guess a lot of this comes down to "The moderators have to actually do what WC said they'd do"

[pearl wave]

True

[west marlin]

[marsh depot]

Takes me back to the "Trimming addy in GE" days

[pearl wave]

Yeah, I do feel bad that mods are getting slammed when it's might be WC telling them to

[west marlin]

Wheres that infographic. Wiki link is nice but is hard to understand

[dry swift]

Just make an ironman account where you can't trade. EZPZ 🙂

[carmine gyro]

Doubling plushies

[tired plover]

I never said anything about the value of a plush or anything, and the wording can be adjusted accordingly.

We just shift for "inciting a witch hunt"

to

"Encouraging a user to understand the rarity of their plushies"

[warm python]

I'm confused because I'm saying that WC came up with solutions and the mods have not put them into place

And if they did I don't think we'd be still discussing/debating the situation as much

[barren nexus]

I don’t think anyone called this specific person a scammer. Again, we just asked to clarify. All I asked them was “Is this a genuine offer?” - Nothing rude or mean.

[pearl wave]

Ah ok that's makes sense

[dry swift]

It is rather funny that we're discussing the logistics of digital stuffed animals.

[scarlet hazel]

its super weird really

[warm python]

That's what happens when so much is locked behind 💳 honestly, stuff like this becomes hyperfocused on

[west marlin]

Then yeah I don't see the problem

[pearl wave]

I think it's come down to finding the right person who will do the true trading

[dry swift]

In an alternate universe, palcat plushies become to Palia what Partyhats are to RS3 and are worth thousands of irl dollars. We're all arguing on a runescape discord about how terrible the game is.

[barren nexus]

digital stuffed animals that are currently being sold for REAL MONEY

[pearl wave]

Isn't real money trading illegal

[scarlet hazel]

yes

[tired plover]

which has never stopped 1 person from doing it

[warm python]

I have Raymond in boxes, bids start at $10

[dry swift]

Not gonna lie, buying palia plushies for real life money is a bit cringe.

[scarlet hazel]

someone tried selling plushies and smth else for irl money. idk if they succeded or not

[pearl wave]

What the heck

[west marlin]

It would be really nice if the mods clarified or gave us an update

[fiery perch]

Either way, it'll be tough. I know there's at least the wiki, at least. But I know not everyone can click on that link, and having an image probably would make it a bit easier to view for some.

But also, i know the in-game rarity for plushies is not really accurate. Like the Nox plush [which you can no longer obtain] is uncommon lol

[tired plover]

people have been buying currencies in games since RS Classic in 2001 - RWT from outside websites (Ebay and Etsy included) is rampant in Runescape, WoW, Minecraft Servers, etc. etc. - it's everywhere

probably since EverQuest in the 90s even

[warm python]

RMT is unfortunately something that can never be stamped out in a game aside from moderating mentions of it in game and on official platforms, that's just the way of things and how it's always been

[dry swift]

Oldschool Runescape my beloved.

[hexed cloak]

In most games it's against the ToS, Palia included

[scarlet hazel]

just clarification for anything would be amazing. im so tired of vagueness in everything. please. more bluntness

[carmine gyro]

Unless the companies themselves do the selling

[west marlin]

One of them was pinged so they know

[tired plover]

right, I'm not saying it isn't - and yet it still happens en-masse. Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean people aren't successfully doing it

[warm python]

Since when has that stopped people lmao companies do banwaves if they detect it and people STILL do it

[west marlin]

Please tell me people aren't rmting palia 😩

[barren nexus]

I pinged a mod on the day the new channel was created. like directly replied to them announcing it here. Never got back to me.

[tired plover]

it's part of the reason the WoW Token ($20 = 1 month gametime or like 180,000 in-game currency) exists - because Blizzard wanted a cut of the RMT

[warm python]

Again not defending it but it's just a fact of life, it will always exist and all companies can do is try to mitigate it

[dry swift]

I remember back in early beta when bots would advertise gold-selling sites for Palia. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.

[west marlin]

Yeah I noticed that, even tho they say to come her to discuss it but then you get no discussion

[pearl wave]

I don't mess around with rmt since that's just invasions to my eyes, I think it's just come down to people having to says to themselves, "is this worth trading with this person?"

[warm python]

THAT WAS THE FUNNIEST THING lmao I was like bruh

[west marlin]

I remember that lol I hope they got no business

[dry swift]

Those gold selling sites mostly just exist to steal your payment details and account details anyways so they're not worth it.

[marsh depot]

I remember those too

[dry swift]

PSA to never RWT in any video game, ever.

[fiery perch]

oh same lol, it was funny to see how fast they left/stopped too

[hexed cloak]

Does that even work in 2025? You need an OTP to confirm basically any online transaction these days

[barren nexus]

They also said moving meta discussions on trading to here was just temporary and they’ll create another space for it…

[dry swift]

Yes it still works, I always see people complaining about how their Runescape accounts were "hacked" when I 100% know it was them providing details that they shouldn't to strangers over the internet. Also, scammers LOVE to social engineer now.

[tired plover]

this is one of my biggest frustrations - there aren't very many proper channels to have discussions about large systems or mechanics

this channel is a wash of everything - it's useless if the conversations are separated by weeks of other content

[hexed cloak]

I was talking more about payment details than game accounts but yeah

[tired plover]

I genuinely hope the CM hire fixes this gap though, for what that's worth

[warm python]

I am very very confused as to why my last message says it contains content blocked by this server....

[wide hound]

For the word giveaway.

[west marlin]

You know I was hopeful until I remembered the other CMs never really talked to us either, like they mostly talked to private groups of people like streamers or shepps but not to us generally above and beyond 'I don't know I'll look into it'

[warm python]

[dry swift]

At least the CMs were fun to talk to.

[west marlin]

I'm still going to be hopeful but there would need to be a change in general communication for it to be impactful

[warm python]

FFXIV has to put out messages over and over to be careful of scams because people make fake squenix websites and link people to them making it seem like there's a gil you know what (huge red flag but) or even a fake forum sign-in page to discuss something in the game

[dry swift]

This discussion is a nice distraction from the fact that I just shoveled a foot of snow out of the driveway and now we just got another foot of snow 🙃

[warm python]

There are things I really wish could change around here tbh and I'm concerned with the lack of implementation of trade channel changes that were mentioned but I don't want to risk getting in trouble

but I do hope there is some change for the sake of people still actively playing the game and using this place, the only real form of communication outside of tiny randomized in-game instances, for communication

I may be more of an observer who would like to return one day but knowing a bunch of y'all who are still in the trenches, yeah

[west marlin]

I do hope the people who came here asking for clarification got them via mod mail and weren't just ignored I don't really know what else to say for them 🥺

[warm python]

This

[dry swift]

I just wish some rich oil tycoon would give S6 a million billion dollars, and S6 would know exactly what they need to do to make the perfect game and that they would finally start listening to their players and everyone would dance around and high-five.

Actually, I changed my wish. I still want Megaman Legends 3.

[warm python]

stealing your wish so I can get a Xenosaga remake

[dry swift]

I've never heard of Xenosaga to be honest, but you can have my wish since Capcom hates Megaman anyways.

[polar lodge]

i thought its possible but nope. cant buy steam gift cards with steam balance. have to use extern payment.. sad.. maybe another workaround? only thing i know is to buy a csgo skin for around 55€, wait 7 days, send it to my gf, wait 7 days, sell it on market for 50€. done. but dont want to do this xDD is there a way to login to her palia account with my steam account? so i can purchase it with my steam.

[dry swift]

That question is very question.

[warm python]

It's one of my favorite JRPG series, the gameplay of the second one kinda blows but overall I love the games. it's trapped on the PS2 tho, not even a port

[dry swift]

Ah, MML2 came out for the PS1 in 2000. 😢 MML1 and 2 are both great games but it's kind of a meme at this point that 3 will never happen because Keiji Inafune and Capcom had a "little" misunderstanding.

[warm python]

Just a "little" one...

[dry swift]

I wonder how many Palias there will be in 5 years.

[old tree]

Due to varying VFX settings among players, snowballs can cause a flashbang effect, so please refrain from throwing snowballs at known or unknown players without their consent. It may trigger seizures, migraines, or nausea in photosensitive individuals when hit due to the flashbang effect.

[loud axle]

Listen if I had $30 million...

[dry swift]

Go on... I'm interested.

[loud axle]

Just feel like I could make what I wanted Palia to be. Kind of wish I had taken more programming classes in college lol

[dry swift]

I feel like $30 million in the MMO industry isn't much.

[loud axle]

In the grand scheme of things maybe not but to get a solid foundation / game built up and going?

[dry swift]

You would probably be better off making your own game from the ground up at that point.

[signal kayak]

could totally see it, depending on how you'd plan on paying for things in the long run

[dry swift]

That way you could actually use a monetization model that made sense 🙂

I used to think mediocre games were "great" games when they were free. But is a free game actually free if the quality is lower than a game of the same genre, same premise that costs $30 and then you have access to everything? What about $50? What if the real cost for sticking with a lacklustre "free" game is actually your time being wasted? I'd argue that's much more valuable than an upfront price.

[hexed cloak]

I don't feel like Palia is wasting my time. I don't think any similar game exists

[signal kayak]

there is always a price on time, it's limited, and once it's gone you can't get it back. so, one has to decide if the time spent on doing something is worth the value that you get out of it. is it worth to spend $50 on one activity that you get some pleasure out of, or would it be better to have 10 different experiences at $5. but, that's a question and answer that is personal to each single person

[barren nexus]

this is why Infinity Nikki shookt the cozy gaming community (gacha aside)

[hexed cloak]

Sadly I tried it and it wasn't my thing

[signal kayak]

infinity nikki is just on another level for me

[barren nexus]

u r welcome to jump into this life again anytime ❤️

[marsh depot]

And that is great, but it also doesn't mean it's not the same for other people. I enjoyed Palia very much but other games definitely filled that hole Palia wasn't. Stardew Valley, for example. Great game, still gets updates, and you only pay once for it.

[dry swift]

And while Infinity Nikki is not my kind of game, I'm glad that it exists as an alternative for people who have felt like Palia isn't quite doing it for them anymore. And what concerns me is that while Palia is just stagnating, there will be other Inifnity Nikki's out there and the few loyal players that are left in Palia will leave for good because they realize they can do better than what S6 and Palia have to offer them.

[marsh depot]

My exact same sentiments. I enjoyed Palia, I truly did and I wanted nothing more than for the game to succeed. But after the constant disappointments, I got burnt out and moved onto other games. I still hope the game makes it, but there need to be some serious changes and at this point many of us aren't willing to or are interested in waiting anymore.

Which is a shame because many of us recognised the potential in this game.

[hexed cloak]

I don't think there is any other cozy game that's as social as Palia

[dry swift]

Runescape is pretty social and can be pretty cozy.

[barren nexus]

This is why I went back to Palia because when you finish IN content the world feels too big for one player. So I just juggle both

[pearl wave]

that why i love stardew valley!

[dry swift]

I think Palia's community is one of the best. But is a great workplace with amazing coworkers and terrible management tolerable enough to justify staying?

[hexed cloak]

It's not perfect, yes there is room for improvement, but that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing

[marsh depot]

I can think of plenty other games that feel more social than Palia honestly. But you do you.

[dry swift]

All comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. Maybe if I didn't have so many time constraints I could see Palia as worth my time. But I only have 2-3 hours a day I can really focused game and I feel as a player like S6 does not respect my time as many other multiplayer games out there.

[marsh depot]

The community is one of the greatest for sure, but it's also because at this point it's the community making it that way, because the current "multiplayer" mechanics in the game (such as the communities and party system, and the very limited server sizes), aren't quite great currently.

[hexed cloak]

I don't play other games, certainly not as much as I used to

Palia has had the vast majority of my gaming time since I started it. I just don't have the motivation to play other stuff

I did try Infinity Nikki because it seemed promising but wasn't for me sadly

[dry swift]

I now play video games based on how much potential dopamine I will get. In Palia, that would have to be through trying to get pirate furniture, plushie hunting, hunting for makeshift furniture. In OSRS that would be through Player vs. Monster activities, clue scrolls, and raids. I can tell you with 100% certainty that in 2-3 hours of play a day I will get much more dopamine out of raiding than fishing.

[marsh depot]

I definitely get more dopamine doing runecrafting than fishing in Palia

[hexed cloak]

I just like doing stuff that doesn't require much brainpower
So yes I love fishing

[dry swift]

Fair enough, I'm maxed so I forget RC exists sometimes 😄

[hexed cloak]

Not 50 yet actually
But I'm working towards it

[dry swift]

See, now that's where we differ. I like engaging content where I feel like my time invested gives me returns. I love upgrading gear, learning how to get better at difficult content and challenging myself as a player and a person.

Palia does not have any of that. You can have palium tools in less than a week.

[hexed cloak]

I'm tired of challenging games, Palia is a nice change of pace

[marsh depot]

I was joking, RC is the bane of my existence I'd much rather do herblore

[dry swift]

Off-topic, but I found Bloods/Souls to be very chill. Especially after I got my shadow.

[barren nexus]

Well the only one who can decide if something is worth your time is you. And sometimes the answer will change when your own context changes 🙂

[hexed cloak]

This.
Palia is not for everyone's taste, just like any other game.

[dry swift]

And IF Elderwoods is as good as players hope it will be I will absolutely give Palia another try. But until then...

[marsh depot]

Noting this down for when I get on the osrs grind again. I was doing the minigame (can't remember the name) and it was more or less fun. At the point I'm in I was just leveling for quests.

[hexed cloak]

Ofc Palia wouldn't appeal to the hardcore crowd, that's not the target audience.

[dry swift]

The funny thing is, Palia doesn't have a target audience. It's everyone and no one.

[lyric night]

genuine question: what was the reason u picked up Palia?
when u are looking for difficult content and challenging urself in games

[dry swift]

I thought it would be a nice "retirement" game from MMOs. And it was for a while. But you know what they say, old habits die hard.

[fiery perch]

I read it more that they were moreso interested in goals/accomplishments, things to work towards, which for a handful of ppl, it doesn't feel like Palia has that

[hexed cloak]

One day you will get tired of challenging games and look for something calmer

[dry swift]

Gotta get those souls for my shadow somehow. #ironmanproblems 😂

[dry swift]

That's what my irl hobbies are for. When I get burnt out from grinding video games I just go back to baking for a bit.

[polar elbow]

Exactly this.
I wanted a "cozy MMO" where my friends and I could just chill and hang out as we worked towards common/shared goals.
However, the only earnables are effectively isolated to your home plot. The home plot that you cannot share with others in a solid, meaningful way.
I didn't join a cozy MMO just for every single earnable to wind up being something isolated to an instanced area that can't even be accessed unless I'm online, I wanted more shared goals where my friends and I could all pool our efforts together to accomplish something bigger.

[dry swift]

It still baffles me that S6 does nothing with the Guild system when there are so many possibilities for guild outfits/contracts or other ways to make the game fun and engaging and to set goals.

[hexed cloak]

I assumed you stopped playing before house tours came out?
It is by no means a perfect feature but it's something

[fiery perch]

I thought there would be things to work towards when I first started playing in closed beta. And that the little we got at the time, it was going to get expanded upon. Community goals/boards, etc etc. But doing that with/while hanging out with friends and others, and that interested me!

It just doesn't feel like it has much there. esp with how limited the character expression is [for me, since it's all essentially paid for and nothing earnable]. Just want something that feels meaningful to work towards, that i can properly showcase instead of having ppl come to my plot-- whether it's via house tours or otherwise.

I definitely think there could be more in that regard, even now, if those things do end up expanded upon. I know they mentioned way back in the past they still wanted to do something with communities, but that still isn't the case rn.

[hexed cloak]

I will agree on this because I really want a fishing outfit
Gotta let the world know I'm unhinged

[dry swift]

Ah, house tours. AKA, reddit 2.0 where everyone just spams for upvotes.

[hexed cloak]

Well yes and that's one of the issues with it

[marsh depot]

Also, I don't know about anyone else, but having so many things locked behind RNG definitely did not feel rewarding to me.

[dry swift]

You mean like having to play hot pot for 30 hours for pirate furniture?

[fiery perch]

House Tours honestly annoy me because it somehow feels competitive but also not competitive. Idk how to explain it.

It can feel discouraging, and I don't like begging for votes or what at least feels like to me is spamming it. I dont' feel like it's a good way [personally] to showcase what I may of collected, and it doesn't really give me the motivation to try to work with home decorating, either.

But I also have other reasons why my motivation dropped for that, and that is bc of bugs/glitches that happen while decorating sometimes

[marsh depot]

Only to get a full inventory of fireworks or ingredients. At that point I'd rather do RC until level 99.

[fiery perch]

With so many locke dbehind it, no. A little bit? I don't mind and I enjoy it in some regard. But the way Palia has it, has felt really... idk the right word. Defeated at times? Like the hotpot wheel.

[novel zinc]

"unable to connect"

[marsh depot]

Stardew Valley's RNG system is different because it's already predetermined when you create a new save.

[dry swift]

Players want validation for their accomplishments so it doesn't feel like their time is wasted, yet like Tarina said, the only way to showcase said accomplishments is to show other players your house because there are virtually 0 earnable cosmetics aside from nameplates and fishing bobbers.

[polar elbow]

AFAIK house tours make a copy of your plot. You can visit them, but they're not actually your plot. If I'm at my house, and someone visits the home tour copy version, I won't be there.

Aside from that, home decor being the only form of earnable severely hurts my motivation to actually make a nice looking house. I wind up feeling compelled to make my house into something that effectively amounts to a trophy room, instead of feeling free to decorate in a way that just has good vibes, because there's no other way to show any of that off.

[fiery perch]

I still wish there was a way to trade in [even if it was with just Zeki] duplicate things you get, for something else. Or having a seperate currency via the hotpot wheel or the zeki ball thing, that you can accumulate overtime and trade in for something that you want, too. That way it can still at least feel like you're working towards something.

[dry swift]

The cool thing about MMOs like Runescape and Guild Wars are that you can wear your accomplishments.

Or sometimes you can even have a cool pet that follows you around, other players look at it and say "Wow! That guy must have done this content a lot to have unlocked this pet! I hope I can have that some day."

With Palia it's "Wow! That guy has a $50 outfit. He must have swiped his credit card 3 times to get that one!"

[signal kayak]

and most of them don't look good as is or completely takes people out of the game if they are role playing

[marsh depot]

The hotpot wheel definitely ruined hotpot for me. I don't mind there being some RNG in game, but when it's to the point you have to either spampot or grind for hours on end to get a single thing.

[dry swift]

I'm just waiting on the $100 whale outfit in the premium store.

[signal kayak]

correction, everything looks awful in switch

[dry swift]

Then we can have a pod of whales with potato pods.

[marsh depot]

At ths point, I wouldn't be surprised there was a $250 dollars one in the future.

[fiery perch]

Still would of loved if we started off with our default character, maybe some clothing options that are a bit more 'modern' or something. whatever is 'modern' for the humans of palia.

Then slowly you learn more about the Palia/Majiri culture, even Grimalkin, etc, and while doing that, you are also learning different clothing recipes. Maybe some you learn from exploring, story telling, or even from quests ors omething similar.

Maybe even finding some random sketch or drawing, that's a bit incomplete in the wilderness, that you end up taking to Jel and get his input.

That way, slowly over time, you can get your own character 'expression' for your character, while it still fitting in the world, having earnable things, etc.

Even telling about what your character may remember and introduce different clothing styles with everyone else, too.

[half pendant]

the sheer insanity of the skilling system and the modernized version that palia presents. i'm more towards looking for something similar, but much more visceral and uncomfortable now.

[dry swift]

I love that we're basically a community pillar of Kilima/Bahari, and yet we don't get any shop discounts, Villagers never visit us unless they need something from us, guilds are basically just glorified furniture shops with a few consumables.

[half pendant]

also, yes, give me a sewing minigame or knitting minigame and give me education on how the threading styles and knitting patterns were made.

or rediscovered.

[halcyon lance]

is it better to sell the fish as is or should i cook them then sell them?

[dry swift]

You mean just like the Community System which was made redundant by the discord threads?

[dry swift]

If I remember correctly, I think cooking the fish and then putting them into glow worm farms is good money.

[half pendant]

also there was a community goal with the insect-a-palooza event. i wish for more of that.