🌱│gardening

[slender barn]

huh

ah i see

[final badge]

Is there a crop that gives more exp or which crop gives the most exp? like im tryna level up quicker

[floral talon]

All the same per growthtick per tilesize if constant growing and harvest reseed

[final badge]

alright ty

[clever pewter]

What are the best 100% weed and water retention farms for apples?

[alpine yarrow]

for apple trees i have four i keep constantly growing while i use my other plots for farm and i only keep zeki store fert on them for water retention at max.. growth never stops cause they stay hydrated always.

Not saying its the best strat but it works well for growth and watering apples for me.

[floral talon]

Depends how many apples how much fert

[slender barn]

what if speedygo used?

[floral talon]

uhm tat will everytime it procs twice it will skip a growtstage which is useles on most crops uhm think that works best on apples
but i warn u the thing is glitchy doesnt work well with harvest boost and very expensive in medals

[sage patrol]

Do we need to keep heartdrop lilly if we have romanced all ?

[hollow marsh]

you can gift them to the npcs once a week if you want but otherwise you don't need to keep them

[covert kettle]

How many days does it take for freshly tilled soil to untill itself?

[clear kindle]

48 irl hours

[covert kettle]

So it's faster to grow carrots?

[clear kindle]

yeah, might as well keep your crops going while you wait for them to untill

[floral talon]

Just dont start with apples or something as that might take way longer

[drifting osprey]

Anyone available to help me. Looking for knowledge as its power.

What veggies do I sell as seeds, what do I sell as crop?

My inventory is taking a beating because I have so many.

[clear kindle]

bok choy, potato, beans, rice and wheat turn into seeds, everything else put into jars, cotton is better for self use in a loom, pumpkins should only be grown if you are cooking with them or you need the quality up/achievement but should be jarred as well

[drifting osprey]

Do you only jar starred vegetables?

[clear kindle]

as you play, you'll get only star veggies, follow previous message though make sure that you take a few of your crops to seeds for replant

[floral talon]

Peppers should only be grown for cooking to

[drifting osprey]

Okay thanks guys.

[fierce willow]

what process makes the most gold? 🙂 like what crops? apple jam or bok seeds? - just getting back into palia and dying to decorate

[hearty glen]

"here's the optimal way to plant your garden"
Ok but I want a pretty garden that I don't have to water, have you ever thought about that?

[floral talon]

We can make less optimal ones for poeple to for easier planting or aesthetics

Im avsilable to make layouts next year

[hearty glen]

I'm playing around w the layout planner rn! It took me a moment to realize I could put the plots in different positions than 3x3 lol

I basically have it w five plots in one row, and four plots on the next and the middle spot is open for decorating

But I'm also Lazy and don't want to water every day so I'm trying to play around w layouts that work lmao

[floral talon]

For ur pretty layout u can make decor versions of the crops to

[hearty glen]

True! I may adjust my plan a bit to incorporate those so I'm still growing but can have it look fuller

Thank you!

[supple wraith]

Happy New Year!
I caught it a bit late, because usually I don't pay attention to levels so much, but that is a tad crazy.

[fierce willow]

does anyone know the best gardening layout for profit please?

[clear kindle]

for straight profit? bok choy, either a full field of them with harvest boost on each plant or with rice/wheat/corn strategically placed around to provide the harvest boost buff. needs to be babysat for water and weeds and you need all crafting licenses to process everything to seeds, keep in mind that only 16 bok choy can be processed in the seeder before it gets clogged.

[dawn marsh]

Yeah, what sylvablade said. Definitely a seed collector hungry layout to do. If you don't want to have to worry about weeding or watering, then #🌱│gardening message is a pretty good option for still focusing on profit but with less maintenance, and provides harvest boost to all crops (you just need 4 fertilizer for the corners if you care about 100% harvest boost). It also spreads out some of your processing between seed collectors and preserving jars, so seed collectors won't eat up quite as many of your crafting licenses.

[fierce willow]

thank you both sm ❤️

[glad python]

are we ever going to need all the flowers again? I have so many in my inventory that I dont use.

[floral talon]

No clue we dont know what the next bundle will bring sadly enuff

[glad python]

fair enough! lol

[floral talon]

U could place 30 of each in pots on ur landfill/flower plot and grow em up for seeds when bundle uses it then harvest replant and use the fully grown ones that dont give seeds

[clear kindle]

you can also throw all of the extra flowers onto other plots for storage, grouped together so you can find them easily and then use the sign (the one you can write on not sure the name of it) to mark which ones are where

[floral talon]

oh yeay right pots arent even necesary

[flint venture]

hi i’m new and i wanted to create a farm pre-apple tree that would produce the most profit via preserves and seeds with 100% water retention. what do we think? it looks rlly chaotic lol

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-CbCoPPBkOCoCrB-CbCoBkCrPCbBBkB-PCbPCrCoBkBCrP-BkCbBCrPCoCoBkB-BCoBCbPBkBCrB-BCbCbCoPCrBBkCo-PCbBBkCoCrPCbP-BCoBBkPCbCoCrBk-BCbPCrCoBkPCbP

[floral talon]

not to bad for a newby 👍

[flint venture]

thank you!! i’m hoping it brings me lots of moneyy :)))

[floral talon]

and if u ever need pointer on how to imrpove it feel free to ask
not that theres that much to improve on it

[flint venture]

yes!! let me know ! as long as it retains all water without ferts i would love to know how it could be improved

[floral talon]

ok so what u do right is that u got good quality up coverage which u need at ur level
100% water retain
harvets boost pretty high but it aint 100%
weedblokc is not that usefull if 39% of ur plants can still get weeds on them

its also a relatively complicated layout making replant abit more difficult

but yeay i would go for in ur shoes water retain harvest boost 100%
and quality up on everyhting that aint cotton 100%exlcuding the cottons
corners u can cheat abit by using some fertiliser only 4 spots is not htat much anyways

[slender barn]

idk where to ask this, so ill just ask you if you dont mind xD. What should i buy? Artifact or treasure tracker?

[floral talon]

mh lemme see treasure trackers tacks those one time chests
u can do it later theres no way u wont run past everything dozens of more times anyways
artifect so u can get more points faster

and dont forget to ask anyone to trade all their artifacts away since they got no use for it

[flint venture]

ur rightt!! how do weeds affect the crops? i figured that since water was still being retained and bc i wasn’t using ferts that the weeds wouldn’t matter

[slender barn]

but i needed artifact first right?

[floral talon]

yeay the things u get ur buy stuff in that twinsisters shop with yes

[worn narwhal]

If I wanna grow cotton, cabbage, bok choy, potatoes, and tomatoes, how should I plant them for the water retention?

[flint venture]

purely for what you asked, this is what I generated using this link: https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden

based off feedback i got on my farm, this one has 2 main flaws: 1) it would be difficult to replant and 2) it doesnt have enough weed protection. i wish i could help you more but im kind of new 😓

[mint sandal]

Added carrots to 100% the weed protection, but you can also use onions instead or a mix of both depending what you have available
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTCBkCoCoCCoP-BkPCbCoCoCoCbCBk-CBkPCoCoTCbCoC-TCoBkPCoCBkCoT-CoBkCbCoCoCoCbTCo-TCoBkCCoPBkCoT-CCoCbTCoCoPBkC-BkCCbCoCoCoCbPBk-PCoCCoCoBkCTP

[viscid remnant]

Any tips how I can pick up a crop plot again? I removed all plants but Always says its not empty..

[mint sandal]

Has to be untilled iirc. So if there's still at least 1 tilled square in it you won't be able to pick it up. I might be wrong though, I haven't moved my garden in like a year

[viscid remnant]

And i guess then i can Just wait for days for those to disappear? 😂

[mint sandal]

Yup

[covert kettle]

Yeah it kind of is. But your better off planting carrots in the filled spots. At least you get some progress along the way. Otherwise waiting is like 2 Irl days.

[sterile eagle]

How do you get the glow worm farm to make more than one at a time?

[manic meteor]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?gid=19217145#gid=19217145

[slender barn]

grilles fish huh

is it bass only?

[clear kindle]

the rarer the fish, the more you get back, so you'll get more out of uncommon fish grilled than you would common fish. but you need to make sure that you actually go in and pick which fish to use and not let the game chose for you, just to help get stacks of grilled fish together easier

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854

this is a better showing of the fertilizer outcomes. at the bottom is a tab for all of the grilled fish, just keep in mind that the chart is based on using the same type of fish. for example, two star quality void rays grilled together will net you 66 glow worms and 333 hb fertilizer. it actually won't even go through the regular worm farm because it overflows the farm

[slender barn]

huhh? each fish 33 glow worm? damn

[clear kindle]

each grilled fish, yes. but again it needs to be the same two fish that you grill together

[slender barn]

i see

thanks

[twilit belfry]

Guys i made a 6 soil farm for my first time do i harvest everything or only the tomatoes

[slender barn]

well, everything?

actually, why you consider not to harvest?

[floral talon]

Dont gril ur maws unles flex

[slender barn]

emm even if i want to i can't, haven't fishing for one yet

[floral talon]

ment like make sure u select ur fish

[delicate vault]

I wish they can add sunflowers 🌻

[worn narwhal]

What's a good farm if I want to grow a lot of cabbage and bok choy but want it to have water retain? Like what crop should I put in there and how should I place them? I mostly just want cabbage and bok choy.

[floral talon]

whats ur gardening level?

[worn narwhal]

10

[floral talon]

mh i think u still need a few cycles of quality up
it stops being usefull at 25 ur gonna need tons of fabric for self use anyways
it becomes gradually less usefull over hte levels though so u can stop earlier il get u a layout for quality up first

could get u one simpler aswell though mostm inmaxed one XD

[jolly yoke]

are tomatoes the most profitable crop to just grow and sell for gold? or even use for worm farms? or is there a better/faster option?

[flint venture]

this is what ive seen mentioned a couple times, though im not the expert just figured id share

[jolly yoke]

I mean I've been straight growing tomatoes, using them in worm farms, feeding my animals, and selling the excess, but... I'm not sure if there's better options... 😅

[slender barn]

i think bok choy better

any apple and blueberries layout guys?

[clear kindle]

the apple trees and blueberries (can swap blues for beans if want to) are afk water/weed/harvest. the other crops would need tending to if you want to harvest them or if you like the aesthetic of the full crops but other wise can be ignored as the water retain plants can have weeds on them without any problems to the weed "bug"

[slender barn]

ah thanks, need this for bundle, ill see later. maybe change to everything ultimate layout shared before

[rain cape]

What do weeds actually do anyway

[floral talon]

Stop a plant from growing and unwater it
9weeds cause a bug where nothing grows

[rain cape]

Hm. Gross. Ty

[clear kindle]

what do you mean?

[subtle ermine]

Can we have full gardens on more than one plot?

[crisp grove]

If you split up your soil tiles among your plots you could

[silver kite]

Hi is there a faster way to use fertilizer? it's quite annoying that you have to click 100 times to use 100 fertilizer on a 1 block crop.

[floral talon]

Autoclickers only way

[worn narwhal]

Is there anywhere I can substitute for onions and tomatoes?

[mint sandal]

Carrots, bok choy and onions are all interchangeable cause they're all weedblock crops. Tomatoes, potatoes and cabbages are too becuse they're all water retain crops. Just remember that 2 of the exact same crops can't buff each other (carrots and carrots for example) but 2 of the same buff category can (like potatoes and cabbages)

[floral talon]

Ty astrea for anwering in my stead

[mint sandal]

Ofc, my pleasure

[median brook]

Freaking finally, this took forever T.T

[covert kettle]

Is there a page or something somewhere with a collection of gardening plots that are all 100 weed and 100 water?

[pliant socket]

anyone know the best layout that maximizes rice and weed prevention/water retain?

[mint sandal]

Depends. You care only about rice and having 100% weedblock/water or you also have some crops you want included in there? If it's the former you can try this, which is just a slight modification of the cotton layout I made recently (#🌱│gardening message) If it's the latter then we'd need to know what else you want included

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTCBkWRCRP-BkPCbRWRCbCBk-CBkPRWTCbRC-TRBkPWCBkRT-RBkCbWRWCbTR-TRBkCWPBkRT-CRCbTWRPBkC-BkCCbRWRCbPBk-PRCRWBkCTP_L50

[pliant socket]

yeah im mainly just focusing rice idc about other crops tbh id only be cooking for sashimi parties, ive spent way to long wasting time with bean burgers </333 lol

[mint sandal]

Then this layout should give you more than enough rice for that And yeah, I went to both types and epic or rare sushi/sashimi parties are definetely where it's at. Though I will still go to a burger party here and there to replenish my focus food stash

[pliant socket]

ouu yes that makes sense why people mainly go for focus food, i have over 400 starred tomatos bc ive only been focusing tomato farms, i did my first sashimi today and the profit difference is insane, i usually get 100k for 100 bean burgers (2 hours) but i got 200k for 50 shashimi in 30 minutes, absolutely in shock

thank you so much for the layout and help !!!!

[mint sandal]

Ofc!

I also have a compilation of my everything gardens if you ever look to change your layout to cook a bigger variety of recipes. I used some of those back when I was going to sushi/sashimi parties once or twice a week and was getting by fine
#🌱│gardening message

[copper hinge]

can we put multiple fertilizers at a time on a crop?

[hollow verge]

as far as I know, you cannot! but if you accidentally put a different fertilizer down you will get the old one back (or at least, I did once, not sure if that was a glitch)

[copper hinge]

yeah that's what happens. seeing all the images here made me think that we can still put multiple fertilizers

i don't know if adding multiple fertilizer works or not. it shows the older one being picked up but idk if it is a visual glitch or something. still confused about it

[hollow verge]

if it happens every time it wouldn't be a visual glitch. I would assume if you've tried multiple times and it happens every time that no, you cannot put multiple fertilizer types

[clear kindle]

you can only ever have 1 fertilizer type down on a crop at a time. the layouts that you see that show multiple buffs on the crops and don't have the little "poop" symbol on them are getting the buffs from the crops surrounding it. if the crop has a "poop" symbol on it that means that the crop is receiving the fert buff

[copper hinge]

i hope i'm understanding it correctly. the multiple fertilizers on a crop that i'm seeing is buff from another crops?

[clear kindle]

correct. all crops have a buff that they will give to other crops, but not the same type of crop. for example, if you have an onion planted next to a bok choy (both provide weed block buff) the onion will give the bok choy weed protection and the bok choy will return the weed block to the onion. however, if you have two onions together they will not buff each other, so it must be different crops.

rice/wheat/corn/apple/blueberries/beans will all give harvest boost buff
bok choy/carrot/onion all give weed block
potato/tomato/cabbage give water retention
peppers/pumpkins/cotton all give quality up

these are given in a plus (+) formation so they do not give crops in a diagonal spot any buff. also, keep in mind that the 2x2s and the apples will need 2 or 3 (respectively) of the same buff to get the effect of the buff. for example, if you want water retain on an apple tree, you will need to have 3 water retain plants touching the apple (not necessarily in the same row)

also to note. crops take priority when giving buffs to other crops. so if you are trying to put down weed block fertilizer on a crop that's next to either onion, bok choy, or carrot for example, the fertilizer will not be used at all

[copper hinge]

thank you so much for clarifying in a summarized way! i got the picture now 🙌

[clear kindle]

welcome, feel free to ask if you're unsure about anything else

[brazen willow]

Does anyone have a good money making layout? Im trying to have another way of money besides hunting lol

[vague niche]

I’m relatively new but I did a little research on this and what was recommended was farming tomatoes and fishing with glow worms, and selling the products from both

[wraith rivet]

hiii!!! does anyone have a good layout for the veggie chili recipe? its my fav recipe for focus + exp so im tryna mainly maximize my amount that i get (also an apple tree snuck in would be good)

[noble valley]

Sharing this in hopes it either

A) Helps someone
B) draws attention from someone smarter than I in palia for their tips and input

This is a setup im trying so that my fiance and I can make celebration cakes and veggie chilli (the two things for 1000 focus people) reliably and consistently.

Again any input is good input and hope this helps people (:

-we are both level 25 in gardening so we get the star quality , this in turn gives star quality food that hits that 1000 focus threshold

-still includes a lot of apples for jamming for the consistent money

-other things that can be made with small additions of meat or wild greens: bacon stuffed mushrooms, chappa masala, crab gumbo, cream of mushroom, cream of tomato, creamy carrot, fried catfish dinner, hot hounds, loaded potato soup, phoenixfire relleno, Ramen, sernuk noodle stew, steak dinner, steamed fish, stuffed tomatos, apple pie, blueberry pie, crab pot pie, elderwood pie, mushroom quiche, quiche caleri, spicy honey baked muujjn, bean burger, chapaa asada tacos, fish tacos, flowtato fries with ketchup, petit fives, and poke bowl

-we buy cotton at the store to avoid growing it-- see no point in raising quality or having a steady supply of it unless we start furniture making to the extreme.

Edit: I need to rework this ! I forgot the freaking wheat , check reply to this message below.

[noble valley]

^^^

[wraith rivet]

ooo ill def try this after my crops finish all their cycles!

[noble valley]

Happy to help -- ive run this for about a week or so in game so far and its weed blocking potential actually is nice.

You just have to remember to water your tomatoes daily but the rest of the garden is pretty self sufficient.

[worn narwhal]

Sorry to bug you again, but could I use something in place of the cotton?

[mint sandal]

Cotton is the only 1 tile crop with the quality up buff. If tou don't care about that buff, you can replace it with litterally anything else. If you want to keep that buff then you gotta either use quality up fertilizer or find a way to accommodate either spicy peppers or pumpkins, or both. Those are 4 tiles crops

[worn narwhal]

Thank you!

[noble valley]

This is my updated version that includes wheat. My bad yall i didn't realize it till I ran outta wheat

[fickle inlet]

oo this looks good.. i'm going to see about using that as my layout lol, i want to start gardenmaxxing

[covert kettle]

If you put harvest fertilizer on something that has the harvest buff already, does it still consume the fertilizer even though it's a redundant buff?

[clear kindle]

crop buffs are prioritized over fertilizer. so the fertilizer would not be used

[covert kettle]

Ty

[jolly chasm]

In what app do you plan this?

[wraith rivet]

this is the website!
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[jolly chasm]

Aahh thankyou! I am quite new and havent really picked up gardening yet. Think i am lvl 3 or something. Do you guys have any tips? Bc i saw that gardening can make passive income for you hahaha

[wraith rivet]

i personally at the start just did my farming when i would come back to my plot after like a day of just doing whatever (usually mining/hunting) - just so i could water, weed and harvest any crops! its best to level up or progress until you can get apple seeds since they do become very good for passive income, just make sure you also get the seed collecter and preserve jar recipe the second you get the chance since selling processed materials will get you more than selling raw!

[vestal wasp]

Hey I have a question, do we have a mill in the game? Like a way to make my own flour basically

[hollow marsh]

no you can only buy flour

[vestal wasp]

Dang that's a bummer.

[noble valley]

They need to make it so all the items purchasable through zeki are able to be crafted/made.
The oils, sugar, flour and etc can be made using cooking or a mill of some nature.

[wraith rivet]

why does it keep doing this?

[mint sandal]

Because there's a chance it could produce an extra unstarred jam and it doesn't have space for that

[wraith rivet]

wait starred fruits can produce extra unstarred jams? i had no idea that was a thing

[cerulean gulch]

In theory theres always a chance to produce unstarred goods so it always need a free slot, just incase.

[exotic harbor]

what do i put in the worm thingy to get the fertilizer that prevents weeds?

[meager ridge]

WeedBlock Fertilizer is only available in the store

[exotic harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-crying-gif-15896901980625544793

[meager ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hero6-baymax-there-there-there-youll-be-okay-gif-4184945

[night merlin]

is it possible to have a 9x9 layout with every crop type and 100% water retention and weed prevention? i’m not interested in profit, i just want my farm to operate itself so i can always have what i need for cooking and making fabric and stuff

[wraith rivet]

i would say yes, i think you would just have to play around with placement on palia garden planner

[umbral python]

i have a layout with 100% water/weed but missing cotton

i dont recall if i saw it here or elsewhere, but here is a link. so credit to whoever posted first 🙂
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HOBkPBtBtBkBtBt-PCr.HPTCTPBkP-BkOT.HBtBtPBtBtBk-CBBTBBP.HBkP-AAAAAAAAA-BBCBBTPBkP.H-Cb.HO.HT.HPm.HPm.HPPm.HPm.HBk.H-CBkCR.HPW.HCCb.HC-T.HO.HCb.HPS.HS.HBk.HS.HS.H_D360L75

[night merlin]

here’s one that includes cotton (only 1 but its better than nothing lol)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PCCbTBkSWOS-TOCSBkBtSPBt-CbPOBtWBkBtRT-PCbBBkCBTAA-BCbPmBCPmAOT-PmBkCbPmOPCbRW-CbAAOAACPT-ACrOATPBkCCo-BkPCCTBkOCbR

[night merlin]

@umbral python if you want more cotton, you can replace the wheat and rice here and it stays at 100% water retention and weed prevention

[mint sandal]

I have a bunch of them that I made
#🌱│gardening message

[mint sandal]

Pretty sure that's mine

[umbral python]

then credit goes to you 🙂

[magic palm]

quick question if the crops that are buffing lets say the main crop if they get weeds or don't get watered will the main crop still get the buffs?

[clear kindle]

yes they still provide the buffs

[magic palm]

awesome thanks

[fringe mauve]

Is anyone else amazed at how much money you make from Gardening and Ranching. I am continually nearing the gold ceiling and keep having to go buy stuff to bring it down. I have even tailored my starter plot to reflect this, I have a preserve and seed kitchen, a storage barn, just building a farm shop/bakery/cafe :). Also looking forward to looking at the suggested plots in here 🙂

[magic palm]

gardening in this game is crazy 6 hours before i can start harvesting is insane not to mention apple trees which is like 12hours? safe to say i hardly make any money with gardening unless 9k gold is considered good after 4-5hours.

[clear kindle]

gardening is meant to be passive money. you're going to make the most out of doing other skills (hunting, mining, fishing, bugs, party cooking). the reason behind this is that the crafters run while you are offline while the crops don't. so, the object is to harvest/replant your crops put them into the crafters and then log off and come back for gold.

[magic palm]

tbh with the amount of time crops take it should grow while offline add in a sprinkler system and it would make sense for those timers not to mention every cosy game has 1 thing in common farms and here it feels like it takes a backseat.

[sage hare]

say i'm doing a basic "make tomatoes into preserves for gold" route. Is it best to actually take the star tomatoes and make more star seeds, and then make preserves with what's left? Or does using star seeds not make that much of a difference? or am I thinking about this wrong - could use some guidance

[fringe mauve]

At level 25 gardening if I am right all seeds, regardless of if their star or not produce starred crops. However up till that point I tend to make sure in storage I always have double the amount of star seeds I need for tomatoes for instance, I keep a base number of 100 in stock, and then all others are "pickled" and either sold or fed to animals.

At present I make at least 20k a day just from the inital crops when I log on, presevrves and my ranching crops.

If I can play more in a day, a couple of hours you get a lot more money as each day ticks off....

[sage hare]

ok, so distilled down plan should be (as I am only lvl8) turn all starred crops into seeds until I have a sufficient back stock of star seeds. After that turn star crops into preserves.

All plain crops become preserves regardless

That sound about right?

[fringe mauve]

Yes, that's how I do it!!, your stocks don't even have to be the same number as mine as I tend to keep stocks for cooking parties and if I have surplus which when you get into the cycle, especially if you play a lot, I put in my worm farms to sell the surplus worms and fertiliser....

Additionally flowers/blooms when you place them on your plot they grow and produce a seed. Thus duplicating, selling them as well brings in some cheeky gold, same with trees 🙂

[sage hare]

I'll probably keep to a stock of 60, that's about 2x replanting the whole garden for each. Thank you so much @fringe mauve . really appreciate the input

[fringe mauve]

My pleasure, happy gardening!!!

[fickle inlet]

I like that this has harvest boost too lol, maybe I'll switch my layout around (trying to start optimizing to join cooking parties)

[umbral python]

does leveling up result in higher crop yeilds?

[clear kindle]

no, it's just a higher chance to get star crops when harvesting, around level 20 you'll start to get nothing but star crops from star seeds and around level 38, even regular seeds will give you star crops

[umbral python]

Thank you

[stuck gull]

From your other comments, are you doing tomatoes into preserves for gold? Starred tomatoes for starred preserves?
Also are you doing a full plot of tomatoes and watering every in game day, using boosts etc? Im trying to learn how to min max my gardening for the most passive income haha

Currently im trying an afk bok choy farm, putting it into seeds and selling those, but im not sure thats the best gold p/h?
Ive also just realised im lvl 26 gardening so i dont need to boost the quality of the bok choy with other crops right? They will always be starred? So many questions and considerations haha

Edit: im using other crops around my bok choy so i dont have to water or weed them. I think i probably dont need to quality boost them either

[fringe mauve]

Firstly these are my daily preserves, 2x tomatoes, apples, blueberries and potatoes. Surplus rice goes into the glow worm farm. All manure other than a 100 is sold and all worms/glow worms over 300 are sold. Those are the base limits I keep.

I feed my ranch animals tomato preserves and each day I replenish my stock of 100, the rest are sold. I continually grow in my plot, tomatoes, potatoes, wheat, rice, corn, beans, blueberries, apples, cotton, onions and carrots. I keep 350 apples in stock, 350 blueberries, 200 rice, and 200 tomatoes. Everything else I keep 50 and replenish when I need the rest are sold either raw or made into preserves.

Ranching stuff is also sold once per day, again I keep a stock of the stuff I am gonna need, milk, eggs, fish for buff food. Altogether this gives passively consistently about 20k a real time day, which adds up when it's passively gained. As for watering and weeding, I have a buffed watered configuration I got when I first started that suits me well. I still have to weed, but very little watering.

As for the level 25 thing, that's what I was recently told, however I can't really comment as I am level 102 now as I garden throughout a play session. However @clear kindle above mention that it's around level 38 that regular seeds give starred crops so have an experiment. I do know that I don;t ever get un-starred crops now and haven't for a long while.

However I also only use starred seeds as it's so easy to bung em in the hopper and I like to see them smoking away. Production makes me happy, it's my ASD. I know some people will disagree that this is a lot of money, however when you are gathering and playing at the same time it adds up. Recently I have noticed it as I am building heavily and despite the fact I keep buying lots of stuff, the income for this keeps topping it up!!.

Also if you are new I can't recommend joining a community enough cooking parties for profit are your friend in this game early on, look for profit sushi/sashimi/fish stew parties that use *maws/giant goldfish it makes an obscene amount of money for just over an hour of your time and usually the outlay of 60 rice. 🙂

[compact river]

gardening is passive income
every time i log back in, i have to reset the recipes on my crafters.

[fringe mauve]

Gah that sounds nasty?, How so, I tend to leave my preserves makers stocked with the full 30 resources?. If it's only a quick log-in it ensure I have preserves to harvest when I come back and if it's a longer play-session every garden harvest I re-stock the hoppers?. I am assuming yours aren't working this typically?

[compact river]

nah. they just stop working if i log out and log back in most of the time. then again, i only come on the game every so often, so it probably has something to do with accumulated offline time. i wouldn't blame the devs in that case, player retention's important, but man, it's inconvenient.

[stuck gull]

That sounds like a full time job! Haha thanks for sharing :)
I dont do ranching as i find it utterly boring and theres alreadt so much to do in the game, i dont feel like im missing out. Gardening/prcoessing is fun, Im gonna experiment with different things and see how it goes !

[stuck gull]

Yeah Ive been part of a community for a while where we do regular cooking parties including legendary/epic sashimis so im not too short on cash, im also building a lot atm so i was just curious about how to also max my garden/processing on top of the mad profits from the cooking parties :D

[fringe mauve]

Good luck, I find that if I do my harvesting and fill my hoppers first job, I only need to check my gardening plot and re-fill hoppers when I come back to the plot for the inevitable inventory purge. However you are right, there is a lot to do in this game!. I am also building at present which is why I realised how much moohlah I was generating. Those yardwork pieces when bought in bulk are expensive and I kept wondering why I kept nearing the money cap. My Husband was like, leave off the preserves and harvesting then. I was like are you mad!! no I'll just buy more stuff!!!

[stuck gull]

Haha for some reason i hate coming near the gold cap!! I have a whole bunch of maws poke bowls sitting in storage that would take me to well over the gold cap, they're just sitting in there like gold in a bank :D
But back on topic, im quite looking forward to getting my passive income factory going! Thank you :)

[rocky thistle]

Good evening!
I got into the game yesterday, so I'm as poor and not experienced as one can be.

How do I join communities and find cooking parties?
I'll still need to learn and master a lot before joining other real players ofc, but just to know where shoud I look for it in the future

[fringe mauve]

Hey there Eva, first of all welcome to Palia, I am quite biased, but I do think it's a great game. Communities that suit you can be found on Bahari Bay Stables side bar here...https://discord.com/channels/809856101326913567/1267631845013721158 most communties run a vast amount of events not just cooking, but cooking parties tend to be the easiest to join as a starter as you just usually have to stir something like rice...or chop a tomato. Don't feel like you have to rush this game, everything comes...I haven't been playing a year yet, and my playtime is sporadic due to a full professional life and being a SEN parent. However I have made it to level 416 so far just taking it steady and enjoying myself. This game really is all about just quietly living your little life!! (hugs)

[rocky thistle]

Thank you so much for answer!
I didn't have accses to the channel, guess I didn't tick something right.
No rushing is my motto🤭

Good luck with your kid! Best of wishes and lots of strength ♥️

[fringe mauve]

No worries, feel free to add me and if you need something I can help with I am more than happy to help!!

[pure yew]

Is there a faster method to apply fertilizer to a square? My thumb is about to fall off using thousands of harvest boost ferts ☠️

[true phoenix]

Does anyone have a layout for fast lvling gardening skill please?

[supple yarrow]

Would also love a layout that would help with leveling please.

[rigid raft]

Maybe a stupid question but… does the grow all out gazebo grow on its own of am I supposed to do something? 😅

[noble valley]

Supposed to water the center of the gazebo, you should see a watering bar appear in the middle.

[noble valley]

**had to remove and rethink wording, apologize if anyone was tagged by me and sees nothing

[clear kindle]

nope, the thumbs get a work out. hopefully in the future they could put something for it

[sour socket]

So I've been looking at the various afk layouts that have been shared (here and on reddit), but while they usually have 100% water/weed coverage, usually they don't account for how long each crop grows. It means I found myself kind of wandering around spending a lot of time figuring out which spots needed replanting.

Does anybody have any tips or layout suggestions for minimizing this? I'd rather water more frequently than solve the replanting-puzzle constantly

Edit to add: I don't really care about maximizing income, I'd rather just max convenience while ideally making sure I have at least a little of every crop coming in for whatever I end up needing them for

[clear kindle]

the best tips i can give is to either harvest and replant the crops as they become available i.e. harvest and replant the potatoes and then move on to the next crop that's ready and continue on until all crops are harvested or to change into a layout that you only harvest one or two crops which makes tending the garden extremely easy

[languid hazel]

Before I sell my seeds, is it better to sell all my non start seeds and just keep the star seeds? I’ve noticed that when cooking everyone always prefers star ingredients

[clear kindle]

always replant star seeds first then if you don't have enough of those then the regular seeds. as your level progresses this will be a far easier task as at around level 20 you'll start to notice that you are getting nothing but star crops from star seeds and at level 38 even regular seeds will give star crops

[languid hazel]

So then it just depends, I should just keep a few just in case

[clear kindle]

if you don't think you'll have enough star for replant, yes would keep a few

[median nova]

How do we get flow seeds to plant flow trees on your plot? Because I got the item that dispenses seeds but after over a month, it only gave normal seeds (no flow). So how do we get those?

[languid hazel]

I’ve heard it’s given randomly more like a “luck” type of thing but I mean anyone can correct me if I’m wrong please do because I too am questioning that

[cedar cedar]

it is by luck, I’ve gotten some and other times the regular tree seeds

[worn narwhal]

What's a good farm for cabbage, bok choy, potatoes, and onions thats water retaining? I don't know what to put in there and how for harvest boost.

[floral talon]

^

[quick mist]

Garden does not want to tile XD

[covert kettle]

Apple trees, just straight up nine apple trees and keep your food full.

[clear kindle]

All crops give 4 exp per slot per day of growth. Regrowing crops give exp based on total grow time divided by number of harvests on each harvest

[clear thunder]

hi i just found this layout and I wanted to try it out.. for the fertilizers per day... does that mean that I put the green fertilizer on day one then the one with leaves on the second day so on? (im the one who drew the numbers)

[clear kindle]

no, the layout doesn't say that it uses any fertilizer (no numbers by them) so you don't have to place any fert if you don't want to. that being said, you can only place 1 type of fertilizer on a crop at a time, crop buffs take priority over the fertilizer so placing harvest boost on a crop that is next to rice/wheat/corn/apple/blue/beans is never going to be used, and you need to apply the fertilizer for every stage growth of the plant to get the full effect of the fert if it is used

[craggy pumice]

hi, just wondering is pumpkin seed seasonal? or I still can get them? thank you!

[clear kindle]

can still get them

[dry yacht]

question: i'm trying to reserve one dirt plot to hold weeds. (i prefer having a gardening section with two sides of 4 plots each, so the extra is gonna be hidden lol) ive got three weeds on a dirt plot already, how can i advance that? i know its possible, just dont know if im making it harder on myself somehow

[clear kindle]

well, for starters, it's just going to take time for the weeds to appear where you want them by checking/weeding the spots that you don't want them going. second of all keep in mind that having 9 weeds will prevent the garden from growing

[dry yacht]

the whole garden or just the plot with the weeds? because i know that. since the dirt plot is going to be hidden i dont really care about that plot being unable to grow.

if 1 out of my 9 dirt plots cant grow im honestly okay with that

[clear kindle]

the whole garden

[dry yacht]

what?? thats a terrible feature ew

[clear kindle]

there was a time that you could have the 9 weeds for infinite weed block, but somewhere they silently patched it out

[dry yacht]

dang thats not cool

[clear kindle]

now, you can have 8 weeds on your plots with no problem, stopping the plants that are on those from growing like normal, but once you have the nine it causes the problems

[tough vortex]

Does anyone know if we can see how many days are left for a crop to harvest? i thought there was a way before but i forgot

[covert kettle]

Seed hoppers hold far more now

They also stack much higher in your inventory

Be careful when selling, it'll dump 100 at a time now.

[supple stone]

The seeds stacking to 100 is actually huge. Means that seeders can process a whole stack without stalling, which is pretty great

Far more friendly to players who might not play every day

[floral talon]

O my phoenix i completely forgot the relevance for the crafters

[stable ginkgo]

Me too DS! I was thinking yesterday wow, I don’t need to hold 3 stacks when replenishing the garden. Totally forgot about the seed makers! This is awesome!

[floral talon]

This is revolutionary

[supple urchin]

Does anyone know how long the Carrots and Tomatoes finish growing?

[floral talon]

carrots 3
tomatoes 4 2 2 2 (10 total)
growthticks

[supple urchin]

Oh sweet thanks

[spark marsh]

Dang u been at the grind that's a lot

[rigid raft]

I’m level 104, I’ve just been planting randomly but I like to keep stock of all the kinds. How can I find a passive layout/does anyone have one already?

[coarse badger]

Just re-getting into the game. Need to make some money, badly, and I know that this is probably the best way to do it.

My question is, is it better to have all 9 of my plots in one lump, or is okay to put walking paths and stuff between them? I want to make sure that water retention, harvest boost, etc. are optimal.

[hollow marsh]

for optimizing everything they all need to be lumped togehter

[coarse badger]

Thank you!

[supple stone]

This post has links to compilations of layouts for both everything gardens (all are 100% water/weed buffs but some need more fertiliser) and more afk gardens, is this the sort of thing you are looking for?
#🌱│gardening message

[rigid raft]

Yes I’m looking for an everything garden with buffs! Thank you!

[stuck finch]

so question from someone who is new at what level will you have all 9 plots for gardening

[ancient ledge]

hey guys, my question got lost in general but when doing the bloom, how does the sprout plushie drop? Is it bonus loot from looting the plants? Or will one of the plants you're watering turn into a plushie?

[mint sandal]

You can get all 9 at level 2 iirc, assuming you have enough money to buy them all from Badruu's shop

[rich lichen]

I can tell you for sure that you don't have to actually water the plants to be able to receive the lil sprout plush. I showed up late to Bloom yesterday after everything had already been watered, started plucking flowers and got the plush.

[mint sandal]

So it's a bonus while picking a flower? Like, you don't just see the plush sitting on the ground?

[rich lichen]

Correct - that being said, my game is buggy as heck being on the Switch, but I did not see a plush sitting on the ground. Just regular flowers

[mint sandal]

Well I'm on switch too most of the time so I assume I'll see the same thing as you Thanks!

[prisma vale]

Yess, sometimes when I chuck a whole stack of bok choi in there, it would stall at like, 3 left 🫠

[supple stone]

Really? Even 6 seeds per cabbage would give 180 per stack of 30 cabbage, which is less than 2 stacks of seeds now, so it shouldn't stall...
I'm assuming you emptied the output before putting in the Bok Choy?
Or are you talking about how it would stall before?

[prisma vale]

Before, yes! Not anymore

[supple stone]

👍 Yeah, it's a fantastic QoL change tbh

[prisma vale]

Wish they would do the same for preserves honestly. That's still a massive pet peeve of mine since it stops at 61 TvT

(2 stacks of 30, after it made no. 61 it won't do anymore until you empty it)

[supple stone]

That's the same with seeds though. After 2 stacks of seeds, it stalls.
Yeah, it's a pain as it means you can use less of the output as extra storage, but it's not terrible imo

[supple stone]

Also, just to actually compare it with seeders, preserve bins are still generally better.
If you put a stack of a crop that gives 4 seeds per crop (a large chunk of them), or even cabbage which is 6 per crop, then put another stack in without emptying the output first, it will stall before processing that 2nd stack.
Preserve Jars on the other hand will never stall until you then put in another item after that 2nd stack is done

[covert heron]

Same, happened to me and I was surprised!

Pretty sure I got the sprout plush from just a regular sundrop lily in the Bloom event.

[midnight yew]

I'm on PC, it dropped from a regular sundrop lily for me, I saw it on the left side of the screen with the flowers (not on the center of the screen like most plushies).

[rancid narwhal]

Hai.
Who knows the best apple farm layout please! 🍎

[floral talon]

we have many depending onwhats best for you HI eliza
how much apples u need how muhc effort is ok wiht u for hte farm u want lazyness profit side crops

[rancid narwhal]

I need them for lures so I need lots of them

But I’m kinda lazy but idm grinding for abit

[floral talon]

oh max apple u need it afk aswell? fertless?

[rancid narwhal]

Idk I would prefer afk

[rancid narwhal]

Merci

[floral talon]

without fertiliser u could afk 4 apples max

now htis hting consuems ALOT of hb fert so if u need to know hwo to produce enuff for that let me know

[floral talon]

i do wonder how can u have sufficient draognbeardpeat to not run out of that waaayyy faster then apples

[rancid narwhal]

That’s called switching server 100 times a day and grinding for it for the whole day

[floral talon]

hardcore for sure

[rancid narwhal]

Yes it’s very sparse 😔

Or you can buy it from guild shop too

[floral talon]

not my precious medals with which i buy stupid amoutns of skill guild furniture that i dont use

[uneven cairn]

hey, so can someone tell me if its just me but ALL of my crops are starred quality when i harvest them. like even when the seeds aren't starred and i dont fertilise them at all. so now i have like no normal quality crops which i need for cooking as i dont have that much starred quality for a lot of the foraging stuff

[floral talon]

Star chance increases per lv u also do not need starred foragables to cook with ur starred produce

[rough void]

Someone told me once you hit lvl 25 you get starred crops

[uneven cairn]

how would i do that tho... sorry if im being stupid but when i start a recipe without the normal crops it shows this when i try to select the starred

[floral talon]

U need to check the allow starred checkbox
If u do that and u run out of starred it will then select unstarred

Ur not being stupid i cant believe its designed like tjis and they still havent changed it

[uneven cairn]

tysm

[floral talon]

Also becuz of how this works u sometimes have to lockbox some stuff so u can select the right thing
Example u only got starred daricloves but want to use unstarred spice sprouts for a any spice step
Then u need to put it innthe lockbox so u can select the spice sprouts

[mint sandal]

Can't you select which spice you want to use just like how you can select which fish you can use in recipes that are "any fish"? If you're cooking a bunch it'd definetely be easier to just lockbox the daris but if you cook just one or two, it takes like 2 seconds to hover over the spice and press select to choose whic one to use. At least I know we can do that with fish so I assume the same would be true with spices

[floral talon]

my example was u only got starred spice as dari clove and u dont wanna use that for any spice

[mint sandal]

Yeah, that's what I mean. Isn't there an option to choose which spice you want use just like how you can choose which fish you want to use when in "any fish" recipes before you start the recipe?

[floral talon]

if checkbox allow starred
u got 1 starred spice
3 types of unstarred spice

u can only select the starred spice till its out or lockboxed

[supple wraith]

it depends on the recipe. Some demand a certain spice. Duh meant that if you do not want to use the starred version of it, you lock the starred in the box and the game will then use the normal, even, if you selected "Cook with starred" - the system is....strange to say the least.

[mint sandal]

Ah. Makes sense. Don't mind me, I just woke up, brain is only half awake

[mint sandal]

No, they meant 2 different kinds of spices. They said if you for example have starred dar but wanna use unstarred spice sprouts then you have to lockbox the dari so the game will let you use the unstarred sprouts

#🌱│gardening message

[supple wraith]

hmm...it still depends on what you are cooking. There are recipes that demand a certain ingredient, so you cannot choose what to use. Others will let you choose, like the kind of meat or fish or spice you want.
But yes, either way, if you do not want to use your starred versions of anything, you store it in the lockbox.

[mint sandal]

I know, but we were both specifically talking about an "any" situation

[minor crater]

It only lets me buy 7 plots, how are you managing to get 9?

[floral talon]

what is ur lv it should go up to 9 total soils eventually unless u run into a bug
maybe u have some in ur inventory storage lockbox/another plot

[minor crater]

ah yes possibly why then, im only level 5 started the other day, any reccomendations for leveling up quickly? Im basically growing choy all 7 plots then selling those but i heard you make more from the seeds? i buy the seeds at the store so probably not making too much profit

[clear kindle]

you should be able to buy the seeder recipe from badruu's store. use that to make your own seeds, save enough to replant, and then sell all the rest

[floral talon]

i mean if u just keep doing what ur doing anyways youd ont have to bother getting in a layout for 7 soils asu unlock 9 soils quickly enuff anyways XD

[minor crater]

Okay fab, i need to make enough for the seeder yet

[floral talon]

u can do it

[dire yoke]

has the new seed bag sizes changed whats most profitable to sell or is it still bok choy kimchi

[floral talon]

it only changed the amount u can chug into a seeder before it stalls whats most profitable is still the same but it has now become more reaalistic to make full use of the seeders for stuff like beans bokchoi potatoe

[cloud kite]

not sure if anyone wants this but ill put it here anyway. its a 4 apple tree self sustaining farm. as long as you keep all the other plants there, just deal with the apple trees. should produce 96 star apples every harvest

[floral talon]

convergence of design moment XD

[cloud kite]

Nice!! 😂

[floral talon]

wanna play spot the difference XD

[cloud kite]

XD I'm down

[floral talon]

mh fert usage difference is large

[cloud kite]

Yes it definitely is. I tried to get the most I could lol.

[floral talon]

mission accomplished on that then

[cloud kite]

Well said 😄🤣

[covert kettle]

I feel I have to admit, that gardening really is my calling in this game. Never would of thought, but I hit level 300 tonight, and I have to admit that I'm feeling it with a new house and plot build centered on the garden.

[primal sage]

hey, i havent played in over 2 years. this was the farm layout i was doing for max profit: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb

is this still the best layout for profit or is there a better one?

[primal sage]

i also saw there were 2 new crops added, pumpkin and beans, not sure if i should be including that in the farm layout now

[covert kettle]

it depends if you want to afk with weed prevent and water retain or go for maximum earnings, but basicaly bok choy is the way to go and potatoes

I just had a thought, can a dual sense edge controler be used to fertilize, without having to pres the buton 100 times?

[primal sage]

i think afk one would be more suitable for me

[lofty marsh]

Yeah I find this so annoying. I don't want to waste lockbox space just so my starred spices aren't used in random cooking. Just let me select which things used starred, or let us choose to prioritize unstarred but use starred if we don't have it.

[rough plank]

Did they change how many times you can harvest tomatoes from one plant? I just harvested the ones I planted the other day and they disappeared. This was my first harvest from them.

[floral talon]

4 2 2 2
10 days total 4 harvests total
the game can always have memory issues(this is so annoying) or u are confused

[spring abyss]

finally unlocked preserves jar.. if I use starred potatoes would it make starred preserves?

[covert kettle]

yes

[floral talon]

Thought its more money per potatoe to turn em into seeds
But turning into seeds takes longer

[drifting pendant]

There's so many guides on this and I just feel overwhelmed.

[desert forge]

I dont suppose someone could help with a layout that has 1 apple tree and the 2x2 crops? the main purpose for now is keep quality up while i grow crops to make more apple/blueberry seeds

I am not great at this designing business 😄

[drifting pendant]

Is there a reason im seeing alot of suggested layouts ive seen dont include cotton?

[floral talon]

buying ur own fabric is cheaper hten growing it (aside form the beginning)
and the quality up bvuff becomes completely useless at lv25 for starred seeds nad 38 for unstarred seeds
so fgor most poeple including cotten makes 0 sense

[floral talon]

that makes total sense its overwhelming for beginners but we can always help u out

[drifting pendant]

Im not a beginner but I've restarted recently and only just recently learned about crops buffs and placements

[rancid narwhal]

What is the quality up buff from lvl 25

[floral talon]

hi eliza
how have u been
quality chance is 25% +2% per lv
+25% for starred seeds
+50% for quality up

hence all starred seeds only starred p[roduce lv25 and for unstarred seeds lv38

[rancid narwhal]

Hi dude I am good ty! Hope you too 😄 and oh ?? I never even knew that but I never really garden much, TY

I’m just curious now because I’m mass producing apples now for lures

[floral talon]

suffering from janurary atm it will be over soon SOON

[floral talon]

u can use the starred produce for everything but gifting aslong as poeple dont forget the allow starred checkbox during cooking in case u have to know that to

[rancid narwhal]

Wait Wut do u mean for everything

[floral talon]

u can cook wiht it craft furniture with it and gift em to villagers and u do not need to have starred foragables to cookw ith em

[rancid narwhal]

oww, didn’t even know, thanks;D

Can I just do 9 apple trees and water them everyday

Wil I get more apples that way then doing the other layout

It’ll just be more work I guess

[floral talon]

i mean without harvest boost u get a third less produce

[rancid narwhal]

Omg is that the one I need to purchase from zekis store

I don’t even use any fertiliser or whatever on my crops

I didn’t know if was a third less

[floral talon]

well like u normally get 100% produce and with harvest boost everytime it grows onit u get 150%
but substracting seeds cost its slightly better then a 50% buff
but its not htat hard to always have harvest boost

uhm eliza how about i give u a water it urself but it has full harvest bvoost and weedblock apple layout without fertiliser?
or full waterretain harvestboost apple layout without fertiliser?

[rancid narwhal]

Can u give me one that is the best

[floral talon]

i also have 6 afk apples with fertiliser
it really depends what would u like the most

[rancid narwhal]

Wait I think you told me about the 6afk Apple one the other day when I posted

But that won’t get as much apples right

[floral talon]

theres variants without the fertiliser that still get harvest boost but then u have to water or pluck weeds if u dont want to produce so much fertiliser
or u can just ignore hte fertiliser

[spring abyss]

ive been spoiled by unlocking preserves jars aaa

im afraid to sell any raw veggies or fruits now

problem is i dont want to keep paying to unlock the crafting stations. im considering a second plot just for certain stations. is this something people do LOL

[floral talon]

the cap is across all plots so it snot like at a cap of 6 u can place 6 per plot nope its more like if u place 3 on one plot the second plot u can only place 3 and then all theo thers 0

[spring abyss]

dang they were thoughtful with this. thank you

[floral talon]

when i started out and was low on crafters i swapped out the smelters and sawmills etc when i wasnt using em just to be bale to proces all veggies

[spring abyss]

that's what i was considering yeah, like ive made enough lightbulbs atm ill tuck one of the smelts away

[floral talon]

coudl alwyas atend a mawshimi party or 2 to get most of hte crafter slots

[halcyon cypress]

Just so you know you can only have weeds on 9 spot of your garden so if you let it grow on water buff plants you don't need weed buff plants
That way you can upgrade to a weed free, auto-watering 7 apple tree layout

[supple stone]

Sure, but you run the risk of crops reverting their growth randomly.
This doesn't affect everyone who uses the 9 weed technique/exploit, but some people get crops very out of sync because of it.
Due to this, that 9 weed technique/exploit isn't generally recommended here

(Also, some people aren't a fan of irregular layouts that aren't 3x3 squares, which I believe 7 apples would need)

[floral talon]

Tried it but knapweed bug prevents it from working

[upper solstice]

What's the most bushies you can get on a plot with 100% water/weed and 1 apple tree? Been trying to get 8 and am losing the will to live 😂

[remote steppe]

Are blueberries good? 🫐 I just unlocked my first seed. I don't have preserve jars yet

[floral talon]

not really but u do need some for various things and as a larger plant they are less work

[slow flame]

Made my first garden layout and I’m so proud ^_^ would love some thoughts

It’s pretty focused on cooking parties and daily needs; I have beans and potatoes for feeding my ranch animals (preserved), apples and extra blueberries for cake, And pepper, wheat, and rice etc. for other focus foods

My goal was complete water retention as well as high harvest and quality boost because I’m not level 25 yet! I also added weed block over the entire plot because I hate weeds 💔

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTWWCoBPTB-CoTWBPWBTCo-CoTPSSTSSW-CoWCoPmPmPPmPmT-AAAAAAAAA-TBtBtPBtBtCoRCo-CoBtBtTBtBtPWR-WTBCoPBPTCo-BTPBCoRWTP_L50Cr0.TP-BtS-AP-PS

Right now I have way too much onion and bok choy in my inventory so I came up with this but I’m sure I’ll switch it up again soon haha

[floral talon]

the harvest boost could be higher but for no fert such a high variety of crop and quality upping everything its quiet good

i wouldnt even bother perfecting it unles u make it for otehrs as the effort to improve it by that time u could just hit lv25
and hten ditch the cotton making a whole new layout

[slow flame]

Yess my main priority was harvest boost on the “important” crops, especially ones like the pumpkins that drop so little each harvest

[floral talon]

yeay pumpkins are brutal

[slow flame]

I’m excited to get rid of the cotton right now it’s a means to an end 💔 but this layout is just to grind out these next 10 levels

[floral talon]

if u end up cycling out of that layout and are close to it
just grow a few hardcore cottons

and at the end of cycle close to hitting 25 u might wanna not replant or harvest some of the larger crops

[slow flame]

Ooo yess I recently learned that even if they’re fully grown the plants keep their buffs until harvested

So I’ve been more patient with harvesting

[unreal solstice]

how can I level up gardening fast? I want to reach 10 so I can get tree seeds

[floral talon]

Up ur focus boost
Keep em watered weed free
Keep growing stuff

[unreal solstice]

what do weeds do to my crops?

[floral talon]

they unwater em and that stops em from growing
and if u have 9 weeds total u get weird ur crops traveling back in time bugs

[unreal solstice]

oh lol thanks

[unreal solstice]

well, I don't like waterning or weeding, so I made this

lazy layout

and I'm sure I'll use the quality up fert from the glow worms... too bad I'm missing on harvest+

wait i can actually improve it a bit

muuuuch better. but i think this is as good as it gets

hold on a sec... the fert u get from worm farms improves harvest and not quality??

[floral talon]

dependso n what u dump in

[unreal solstice]

or really? the wiki says that the only way to get qualityup is to purchase it

[floral talon]

quality up crafting bench or sweet stuff in wormers
harvestboost savory wormers and medals
weedblock water retain zeki
speedy grow medals only

[unreal solstice]

TIL...
I see. well, I still don't have access to any reliable source of "sweet stuff", so I'll probably have to stick to purchasing qualityup ones if I want to boost my crops

OR I could do something like this

[floral talon]

u stop needing it at lv25 with starred seeds though

[unreal solstice]

starred seeds? I didn't know those produce starred crops every time

[floral talon]

depends on ur ***GARDENING ***lv

[unreal solstice]

ah. I'm gardening lvl 8 and character lvl 50 or something

[upper solstice]

No tree but I got 8 bushes hahaha

[unreal solstice]

I think this is my best 1x1 only's

[neon smelt]

Yes every quality boost you put on a crop it’ll be star. You can craft the quality fertilizer. All you need is star Bugs, meat and sun drop lilies

I love gardening I’m level 16 now. Once you hit level 30 you won’t need to make any Quality Fertilizer anymore cause then everything you harvest will be Star

[spring abyss]

I want to understand these planners so bad. I just hit level 9 in gardening and the number crunching is so hard for me the more seed collectors, preserves jars and glow worm/worm farms I get the more I dont know what to do with anything lmao

I was so much happier when I was all haha harvest time! sell sell sell the raw produce LOL

[unreal solstice]

I wanted to make my dream 9x9 plot. lots of apples and berries so I can produce jam. what do you think? my goal was to make it 100/0/100/100, or at least 100% water retention and weed prevention, but i couldn't...

which one of the two do you think is better? is it worse to have the middle tree subject to weeds, or 4 tomatoes?

oh look I actually did it wtf?

I hate how asymmetric this is

perfect!

[floral talon]

may i offer a suggestion for lazy idc about production layout?

[unreal solstice]

sure

[floral talon]

something like this for evenb easier planting i can also make one without fert

[unreal solstice]

what are some really good crops to grow, money aside?

like crops that are needed for the best recipes, if any

[vagrant steppe]

Dude im saving this, i needed a layout for apples so bad and this is awesome

What kind of fertilizer is it on it?

[clear kindle]

weed prevention since it's not getting that from the crops it looks like, which you will need to go and buy from zeki. if you drop one apple tree (use 4 instead of 5) you can get a completely bush/tree lazy layout.

[slow flame]

I go to cake parties strictly for worm food!! It makes sooo much fertilizer

[rancid narwhal]

@frozen quartz

[unreal solstice]

how many fertilizers does it take to boost a 2x2 and 3x3 crop? crop? 1 & 1 or 4 & 9?

[unreal solstice]

I'm glad! ♥️ it's one of the first layout I made. I can see future me making lots and lots of jams, so I wanted to maximize apple production, and I threw in the mix some blueberries too. here's an updated version which might be slightly better if you don't feel like harvesting as soon as anything is ready every time, and would rather wait

wheat and cabbage take 1 extra day, so more profit

you can also swap tomatoes with potatoes but I don't think it's better

speaking of fertilizer, is the only way to get weed prevention fert buying it in a shop? or can you mass produce it?

[unreal solstice]

now, I've seen a lot of layouts in this channel focused on apples, but they often just include 3 to 4 apple trees. why? isn't 5 optimal? and you get 4 berries to boot!

[rain slate]

Mass production via building worm farm via workbench

[unreal solstice]

ohhhhh awesome! I didn't know worms could make that type. what kind of ingredient?

[rain slate]

But not 100% sure if that's just booster or prevention

@unreal solstice ^^Hopefully that helps

[unreal solstice]

it does! is that a sheet or docx file?

[rain slate]

I just googled weed prevention palia lol

[unreal solstice]

ah that's AI...

[silver forum]

you're best off checking the wiki! AI is notoriously unreliable

[supple stone]

4 and 9

[supple stone]

Easier stacking of buffs without fertiliser. If you want to use a load of fertiliser anyway, you can get 6 apples into a layout
But you have to buy Weed and Water fertilisers, the only ones that Glow/Worm Farms produce are Quality Up and Harvest Boost

[unreal solstice]

6 apples?! I have to try that...

[supple stone]

Depends what you mean by better.
Potatoes are the highest profit water-retaining crop. Then tomatoes, then cabbage.
Tomatoes last the longest without needing to replant (10 days), but you have to go back and harvest at days 4,6,8,10. Potatoes you can plant and just go back after 5 days, Cabbage go back after 6 days

[supple stone]

Want to try and work it out yourself, or do you want a link to a layout?

[unreal solstice]

wouldn't mind a link, ty

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

And the bonus is you can use Worm Farms to produce all of your Harvest Boost fertiliser for it too

[unreal solstice]

very nice. is 6 apples more profitable than 5 apples and 4 blueberries?

and why cabbage over tomatoes?

[unreal solstice]

yeah that's really handy. and you only need to purchase a handful of other types of fertilizers for the other crops

oh and I've also noticed the onions. better than carrots?

[supple stone]

Apples are more profitable than Blueberries per space, but the single tile crops are more profitable than both (except Cabbage which is between Apple and Blueberries, profit-wise)
So yeah, 6 apples will be more profitable.

Duh likes to use Cabbge and Tomatoes in his layout plans as Tomatoes and Apples look kinda similar otherwise. So, easier to tell what everything is at a glance this way. If you want profit, just use Tomatoes and Potatoes.

Onions and Carrots are very close together in profit. Carrots are a little better but need replanting more often and Onions are used in more cooking dishes, so most people tend to choose Onions

If you're interested in profit rankings of the crops, have a look at the table in my post here #🌱│gardening message

[unreal solstice]

hey @vagrant steppe, @supple stone here might have showed me a better layout than the one I made for maximizing apples, if you're interested!

[supple stone]

Well, thank DuhScape, it's his layout 🙂

Just remember, Apples aren't the most profitable crop (about middle of the pile) - but they are the most convenient one

[unreal solstice]

yeah seems like it. at least you can make jam out of them

[supple stone]

I mean, some crops are best off seeded for profit, so them being preservable isn't necessarily the best thing anyway

Especially now that they boosted the seed stack size

[unreal solstice]

I see

thanks for all those links

[floral talon]

I just harvest my apple layout for the xp and cabbage can be left growing for longer so i harvest all every 6 cycles

[unreal solstice]

that makes sense

what's the best way to use apples for money then? jams, seeds, or raw apples?

[supple stone]

For apples, it is jams - you were right, DW
Raw crops are never the best though

[floral talon]

It my point im super close to gold cap so i stop caring about money
I just want more cow plush

[unreal solstice]

alright thanks much ♥️ it's great that a single crop can give me most of what I need to make it sustainable and resell it. a portion of it goes into the seed maker, some will turn into fertilizer, and the rest will become jam for selling

now it's just a rush to gardening lvl 10

[floral talon]

Apples in worms dont make harvestvoost though
But i gues quality up is usefull to u

[unreal solstice]

they don't?!

awwww

[floral talon]

If its sweet quality up
Savior harvest boost

[unreal solstice]

damn... I'll have to use another crop to make harvest boosts then

are potatoes considered sweet or salty? lol

and is your layout able to sustain itself with harvest boosts, or do you buy them?

[burnt sparrow]

It reminds me of my first year playing the game ^^

[floral talon]

I um have a reserve of 1000 fishes left to grill
And a constant stream of meats and foragables from just playing
And u could dump ranching stuff in there to

[ornate pier]

Hi guys! I'm wondering if anyone has any layout they recommend that includes beans and bok choy but it doesn't have apples or blueberries

I'm trying to upgrade my level on farming while selling some stuff/keeping other for cooking

[slow flame]

Bean burgers for harvest boost and cake for quality up… thank me later

A single starred cake or burger is enough to fertilize my whole plot

[floral talon]

That does for d u to cook more though making it only for the chefs among us

[spring abyss]

Does anyone have some time to maybe help me plan my garden plot? I'm mostly farming for preserves and seeds, water retention, harvest boost and profit is the most important to me

I'm getting so overwhelmed with the garden planner thing trying to figure it out

[floral talon]

anything specific u like to grow?

somethign like this?

[spring abyss]

I typically grow potatoes, spicy red peppers, batterfly beans, tomatoes for water retention mostly and preserves, cotton and just started growing blueberries a bit but not sure of them Lol

That looks good wow. I knew I should get into bok choy Lol

[floral talon]

uhm what is ur gardening lv?

[spring abyss]

I just hit level 9

[floral talon]

oh then for more money u need quality up on ur layout

i got a more complicated one but uhm u dont need weedblock yet cuz the whack 1k weeds achiement

[spring abyss]

Should I prioritize qualityup over harvestboost fert or can I apply both?

[floral talon]

that simpler layout i showed u has both but no weedblock

i mean u could quality up the cotton but thats kinda stupid

[spring abyss]

Is that because if I get a bunch of star quality cottons it'd be dumb to spin fabric?

[floral talon]

and uhm quality up is better htenn harvest boost when ur low lv and still need to get some starred seeds but after that harvest boost keeps beating it more and more

[floral talon]

yeay and u need so much cotton its always best to loom it into fabric cuz that prevents u from having to buy fabric which is even pricier but once u dont need qualit y up anymore cuz ur gardening is higher lv making u always have starred crops anyways ur better of not growing cotton at all and producing and processing something else to sell and then buy the fabric

[spring abyss]

Oh alright, true. Are beans and spicy peppers worth it iyo?

[floral talon]

spicy peppers not much but its used in cooking
beans uhm i think they are a total paint o make a good layout for though

[spring abyss]

ty for this advice

This gardening crunching is more math than I've done since highschool lmao

[floral talon]

andi mnot even the one who makes spreadsheets out of it

[spring abyss]

Those are Harvard level to me, thesis level help to the community tho

[floral talon]

not really its more of a u either get it or dont
and i never find the mental energy or time or reason to b other wiht learning spreadsheeting ... always 1 of the 3 is missing

[spring abyss]

Same I have little free time

[floral talon]

be happy u were not here when we were discussing matrix formula and players playtime rosters for scenario optimalisations ....

anyways if poeple wanna minmax to hardcore i tell em to save the effort and do a mawshimi party instead

[mint sandal]

Played around in the planner last night and made this. 100% weedblock/water retain everything garden, needs 21 hb fert to get 100% harvest boost
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HBkCTAACAA-TPBkABtBtABtBt-C.HS.HS.HTS.HS.HCbBk.HP.H-BkAAP.HBkWT.HOR-AOCbPBk.HPCbOA-CrOT.HRBkP.HAABk-P.HBk.HCbPm.HPm.HTPm.HPm.HC.H-BBABBABkPT-AACAATCBkP.H_D360GtL75Cr0.AP-BtP-SP-BP-PmP-CrP-RS-CbP-PS-BkS-CP-OP-WS-TP

[floral talon]

did u know if u minmax the fert with the same crops 17 hb fert required is the minimum

but nice to have one of these with double apples
though the amount of singletile hb crops is quiet low(chefs among us would use so much fo those)

[mint sandal]

Yeah, I have good layouts with lots of grains already, I was just playing around with this one. Originally I had the pumpkins against the bloobls and the peppers against the beans so they were naturally buffed but I couldn't get the 100% water/weed like that so I switched it around a bit. I pribably could improve this though

[floral talon]

😮 i checked my layout library and apaprently 13 fert is hte best

🤣 to think i stole one of tarinas layout to only now realise i had a better layout months before her lmao

[mint sandal]

Oh yeah, look at that, I just made another everything garden and 13 hb ferts was the best I could muster with 2 trees while keeping 100% weedblock/water retain
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-R.HPBkCTBtBkPBt-OP.HCb.HBtSSBtSS-Bk.HPR.HCT.HCCrPBk-AAAAAAAAA-WBkOCbP.HCbOBkW-AAAAAAAAA-BkPCrCT.HCR.HPBk.H-PmPmBPmPmBCb.HP.HO-BPBkBTCBkPR.H_D360GtL75Cr0.AP-BtP-SP-BP-PmP-CrP-RS-CbP-PS-BkS-CP-OP-WS-TP

[tulip vigil]

i think ive made a good self sustaining cotton farm. feel like theres room for optimzation though. any feedback?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTOCCoCoORT-CTPCoRCoPOC-OCTCoCoPTRO-TWCPCoOCWP-CoWCoCCbPCoWCo-PWCOCoTCWP-ORTPCoCoTCO-COPCoRCoPTC-TROCoCoCOPT

There was indeed room for optimization lol
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-PTOCCoCoORT-CTPRCoCoPOC-OCTRCoPTCoO-TCoCPCoOCWP-CoWCoCCbPCoWCo-PWCOCoTCCoP-OCoTPCoRTCO-COPCoCoRPTC-TROCoCoCOPT

[clear kindle]

question? why do you need a cotton farm? are you low level that you need the quality up? genuine question

[wise tendon]

hey anyone know how to level up gardening faster? i used parties for cooking and bug hunting but my gardening is just so slow

[supple stone]

The only way is to log in and garden more.
If you log in a bit before in-game 6am (quarter past the hour for almost all timezones), you can get 2 days worth of growth in a short amount of time (log on, harvest/replant, wait for 6am, harvest/replant, log off if wanted, do the same for gardening just under 2 hours later.

As always, try to make sure your focus bar has enough for each harvest (harvesting apples especially), and with on increasing your focus bonus if it isn't maxed yet.
All crops are the same for exp (average out at the same exp per day) but a lot of people prefer apples because you don't need to harvest them as often
#🌱│gardening message is an example of a 6 apple layout, but it needs a lot of fertiliser

But you absolutely can grow anything you want, my only advice would be to have full water/weed buffs coverage for the most convenience

[floral talon]

Wow thats tarinas one rotated 90degrees

[mint sandal]

Oh, fr? I don't think I've ever seen hers before, I just played around with the placement of the trees and bushes to try and get as much natural hb buff as possible for a bit and ended up with this. It's so funny how people keep ending making the same or extremely similar layouts over time. I guess it makes sense though

[floral talon]

XD so funny convergence of design moment

[unreal solstice]

why can I apply fertilizer to my single tiles seemingly infinitely?

[supple stone]

You can place up to 99 fertiliser on a crop.
This means 99 clicks to max out the fertiliser on a single tile crop
2x2s use 4 fertiliser per growth tick, and also take 4 fertiliser per click of the mouse when applying fertiliser. This means 25 clicks are needed to max out the fertiliser
Apple trees (3x3) need 9 per growth tick, use 9 per mouse click applying fertiliser, so 11 clicks to max out.

[unreal solstice]

Ahhh so you can "store" multiple fertilizers on a tile so you don't have to replace it on every harvest?

[supple stone]

Precisely

[unreal solstice]

that's handy

[supple stone]

Just, it all has to be the same type of fertiliser.
If you try placing a different fertiliser, all fertiliser that was in the soil is returned to you inventory

[unreal solstice]

hey again, I'm reading the wiki and it says that all of the crops (e.g. carrots, onions, cabbages) have a higher "value" in gold compared to their seed version. Am I missing something? why do I want to convert them to seed rather then selling the whole crop if it's worth less? the conversion rate is 1:1, isn't it?

woop nvm!

[vagrant steppe]

Thats such a good way of phrasing it and i had no idea you could do this

[unreal solstice]

and why is bok choy the best crop for selling? doesn't it take an incredibly long time to turn it into seeds compared to most other crops (thus less money per hour)?

[covert heron]

It grows the fastest, so you can harvest a lot and have lots of seeders going. That said, I do tend to pickle it and eat it, rather than turn it into seeds for money.

[clear kindle]

bok choy is considered the "gold" crop by us because 1 bok choy turns into 4 seeds (88g per bok choy) they grow in three growth tics (about 3 hours) and the seeders run while you are offline. so you can put down a field of bok choy with harvest boost, wait the three growth tics for it to be harvestable, put all of that into seeders and come back to it if you have to do other things in real world

[covert heron]

I forgot about the number of seeds it produces. That's great compared to some plants!

[supple stone]

Seeding is always more profitable than selling the crop raw. So is preserving the crop. Some crops just gain more from seeding, some gain more from preserving

[ebon oriole]

Okay idk where else to ask this, but is it more profit to make and sell honey lures or sell gold bars and apple jams. (Time isn't a factor here)

[rich lichen]

I would say sell excess gold bars & apple jams. I'd keep your honey lures for bug hunting

However the gold bars go for about 750 ish gold, and the apples & moss go for less than 100 ish each, so the honey lure is technically worth more slightly than the standalone items since it goes for about 1k.

[ebon oriole]

ty! my question wasnt about what i should do, but about what made me more profit lol. dw i checked it myself

[unreal solstice]

what's the size of a seed stack?

[unreal solstice]

bok choy takes 3 ticks to harvest, but my layout kinda revolves around crops growing at 6 ticks interval, so if I want to maximize my laziness, I could just gather everything every 6 ticks even if something has grown in the meantime... that being said, I'm trying go figure out if in this case bok choy is still better than carrots, given that it takes an 1.5 hours to seed vs like 20 mins

I like cabbages here because they grow in 6 ticks, so it's synced with apples

[supple stone]

Was increased to 100 recently. Huge quality of life change tbh

Bok Choy will still be better than Carrots even accounting for only harvesting every 6 days. Almost twice as profitable. Carrots are best preserved rather than seeded btw

[unreal solstice]

gotcha. thanks for lmk

[unreal solstice]

that means I can run a seeder with bok choy almost indefinitely, as in it won't pause before 34 hours and 10 mins ✨

that's when it reaches a full seed stack if my math is right

oh and if I collect only so often, are potatoes still better than tomatoes?

[supple stone]

I honestly am unsure what the time before stalling would be, but 34h seems low to me
Potatoes are going to be way better than tomatoes, and are better than cabbage even though cabbage grows in 6 days not 5
The benefit of tomatoes normally is that they regrow. If you aren't picking them at days 4,6,8,10 day, you really hurt their profit margin

[unreal solstice]

the math was if 4 bok choy seeds take 1h 22 mins, that's 82 mins. a stack is 100, so you multiply by 25. that's 82*25 mins = 2050 mins, or 34 h 10 min

[supple stone]

You can have 2 full stacks before it stalls

[unreal solstice]

oh!

[supple stone]

So 68h then

[unreal solstice]

even better

[supple stone]

But, if you put in a stack of 30 Bok Choy, it will finish that before stalling as that's 120 seeds

[unreal solstice]

okay I think I'm all set then :) thx again ♥️ I'll reach gardening lvl 10 today for sure

too bad this layout I made with love won't ever make it in my plot lol... the one made by duh is objectively better

[unreal solstice]

okay so one seeder will run for 41 hours before needing me to interact with it to replace the input

[supple stone]

Remember that you need multiple Apples to make a Honey Lure, this essentially removes any profit you get from making and selling Honey Lures. Especially if you use starred apples as there is no starred Honey Lure.
Honey Lures, if used, can generate far more profit, due to the bugs and silk you can catch, but if you sell the Honey Lure, it's pretty worthless.

[supple stone]

Most welcome!

[ebon oriole]

yeah that screenshot didnt post for some reason- 4 star jams+ a gold bar is 1336 gold which is quite a bit more than lures sell for

[supple stone]

Yup, you're also buffing the Lure's apparent sell price by 60 due to not including the Dragon Peat (unless that was included in the screenshot that didn't post)

[ebon oriole]

for how i play currently dragon peat really doesnt count

[supple stone]

For profit it kinda does though, as you could sell it on its own

[vagrant steppe]

Its okay, its making my plot

Im not really looking for most profit or anything like that, i just need the apples tbh, and im too lazy to go water them every single day

I dont even fully care about the weed prevention tbh, I just want them to grow without me having to baby sit it cause sometimes i forget to pay enough attention lol

[unreal solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/plsdontusethistaganywhereelseitswaytolong-gif-3024798123645349367

it's apple time

so I'm guessing the first apple seed I'll be able to buy will be a regular one. once I harvest, if i use a quality up fertilizer, i will get starred apples. do starred crops always result in starred seeds when you convert them?

[mint sandal]

Starred crops always give starred seeds, yes. But starred seeds don't garantee 100% that you'll get starred crops until you're level 25 gardening, so you might want to continue buffing your crops until then. Starting at level 38 gardening (iirc) is when even regular seeds are guaranteed to give starred crops

[unreal solstice]

thanks. should I use harvest boost or quality up on my apples until I reach 25?

[mint sandal]

Depends what you care about the most. Do you want more apples or do you want starred apples?

[floral talon]

replace the weedblock plants with cotton or harvest boost plants and just pluck the weeds

[unreal solstice]

just concerned about the money for now

[floral talon]

if u replace all those weedblocks with cotton put hb on apples
uf replaced with 1 tile hb plants put quality up on the apples

[mint sandal]

True, especially if they still don't have the weed whacker achievement

[floral talon]

gotto whack those weeds yaknow

[mint sandal]

Exactly

[unreal solstice]

Hmmm I think I'll stick with regular quality then. I don't feel like weeding, and I guess I'll pass on the achievement...

[delicate raft]

Wait so can I stack unlimited harvest boost fertilizer on one plant and still multiply my rewards?

[supple stone]

You can stack up to 99 fertiliser on a crop, and each in-game day 1 will be used up for each tile the crop sits on.
So not unlimited, no.
If harvest boost buff is present for every day that the crop is growing, you are guaranteed 50% higher yield. You can't get more bonus yield than this. It is either 50% bonus or no bonus.
The chance at getting the 50% bonus is just the percentage of in game days the crop has the buff for while growing
For example, an onion takes 4 days to grow.
If the harvest boost buff was present for 3 days, you have a 3/4 chance (75%) of getting the higher yield.
This is calculated for each crop individually, when you harvest it.

Make sense?

[unreal solstice]

why are my apple tree soils displaced lmao

[clear kindle]

visual glitch, just water them and it will fix

[supple stone]

Happens frequently when they cross soil plot boundaries, like these are. As Sylva said though, just visual. Watering/harvesting them or an adjacent crop will sort it out

[haughty folio]

What is fast. Food to do glow-worms

[south girder]

Does anyone have any of the xtra glowimg mushrooms from the halloween decore i could have i have plushies and other things plus pods willing to trade never got one so was looking to see if anyone would be willing to send me one

These are what im talking abouy ?

My in game name is missbonkersmomma

[supple stone]

For fast glow worms you want high value foods.
If you go to cooking parties, bean burgers or fish dishes made from epic/legendary fish are good.

I tended to just recycle the fish I got from using those glow worms to make more though - grill any fish you would have sold and chuck them in the glow worm farms

Now, I get over 200 glow worms a day from just Ranching produce... But I need 11 Glow Worm Farms just to process all the produce I get

[supple stone]

Maybe try #🤝│trading ?

[supple wraith]

these can't be traded they are decor items, not plushies, you can buy them from Ashura though for guild coins, as many times as you can afford.

[lofty ridge]

does anyone have a plot with pumpkins i can look at? ive been trying to make a plot with pumpkins bc i find them cute lol

[honest oasis]

Hey! my farm is empty, im ready to do the 6 apple trees that auto does its thing, but i get confused with the fertilizer and where from the photos

[floral talon]

lemme know if u need more explanation then the picture

[honest oasis]

Thank you!!!

[lofty ridge]

question, for these setups, you you harvest the other crops and regrow them whenever theyre mature?

[floral talon]

U could but personslly i just wait till cabbage is done or often not bother at all

[lofty ridge]

bc i think replanting them too frequently gets annoying quick lol

[floral talon]

After a hundred lvs u kinda stop caring xd

[lofty ridge]

yeah, i just started playing 10 days ago lol

not there yet xd

[trim pike]

how does one get apples?

[floral talon]

apple trees

[trim pike]

which lvl?

[floral talon]

9 or osmething

[weary verge]

I have a question if anyone knows the answer. If you are level 25 gardening, do all of your crops become star quality regardless if you there are quality boosting crops or fertilizers?

[floral talon]

wiht starred seeds yes

ur gardening lv gradually increases star chance
star seeds also has flat bonus

[modern veldt]

Heya, i play palia so long, but now i question myself... does the buffs from crops stack? i allways place weed/rice beside apple/blueberry, in my head its stack, but is it so? xD

[floral talon]

no it either has harvest boost or it doesnt have it from its neighbours u dont get 2x harvestboost by overproviding it

[modern veldt]

okay well iam dumb 😄 ty 🙂

[floral talon]

no becuz u asked

[modern veldt]

after playing it for 1 years and doing it so.. 😄

[floral talon]

u were dumb not anymore XD

[unreal solstice]

finally! my first apple harvest <3

[unreal solstice]

btw, I know how I can fix this glitch now, but I'm not sure, how can I prevent it altogether?

happens they cross soil plot boundaries.

what does this mean?

[clear kindle]

when a crop is partially on two plots

[covert kettle]

If you layout your plots in a line I think you can get 7 trees iirc?

[clear kindle]

but you lose out on the buffs

[lofty ridge]

i hope they buff the quantity of rockhopper pumpkins you get per harvest :(

[supple stone]

With Duh's layout, you can't prevent it.
The only way to prevent it is to have an apple tree only on one soil plot
For example, the top left apple tree in Duh's layout is in columns 2 and 3 of the top left soil plot and column 1 of the top middle soil plot.
In order for it to not visually bug out, you need to either shift it one space to the left or 2 to the right.
However, doing so will lose you the ability to get all the buffs on them

[floral talon]

The knapweed bug ruins that unles u use tons of fert

[unreal solstice]

will a starred apple always turn into a starred apple jam or seed bag? if not, should I still use starred apples over regular ones?

[unreal solstice]

what's that?

[floral talon]

if uhave 9 weeds total stuff grows super glitchy if at all

[supple stone]

So, you can't have more than 9 weeds in your garden.
For some people, this means they can have 9 weeds present and will never have to worry about more showing up ever again (as long as they don't accidentally pick the weeds).
However, it's also buggy. Lots of people who try to use this as a method end up having some plants LOSE growth progress sometimes (also throws the plants way out of sync)

[floral talon]

the reason that u cant have more then 9 is the game cant save the gardens growth when trying to spawn more in ....

[supple stone]

Yes. And it is best to use starred apple seeds for sure

[unreal solstice]

but why would it not work to do a 3x27 field instead of 9x9? couldn't you do something like

R A A A P A A A ...
R A A A P A A A ...
P A A A R A A A ...

R = water retain crop
P = weed prevention crop
A = apples

allowing you to put down 7 apple trees maybe?

[floral talon]

cuz that still only lands u 6 apples

[supple stone]

You'd also end up needing to buy a bunch of weed/water fertilisers for the non-apples

[unreal solstice]

Hmmm yeah

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1_CR-OBkOCbPCbA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HOBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbPCbA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HOBkOA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HCbPCb-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkOA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HCbPCbOBkO go check

[unreal solstice]

yeah I see now

[floral talon]

^ this is how to get 6 apples trees without fert akf hb
wiht 6 tiles left but yeay glitches

[unreal solstice]

btw how many glow worm farms do I need to place for having all the harvest boost fert I need?

[floral talon]

i could do it with 1 for a long time but depends on how much growthticks ug et per day and what u chuck in the glowwormer

[unreal solstice]

Ahh yeah that's true. but wait, do glow worms produce more fert depending on what you feed them?

[floral talon]

oh yeay it also depends on whether u can run that wormer 24/7 or if it runs out of a item stack nonstop

[floral talon]

grilled maws meme XD
vs random excess meat

output depends on the items gold value

[unreal solstice]

huh I didn't know that... and iirc I need to feed them something that is NOT sweet if i want the HB

so maybe I could feed them vegetable preserves I make from my other crops

[floral talon]

put in ur ranches excess eggs and milk
the meat u get from hunting
the mushrooms u wont ever use

the fish u got no use for can be grilled on the campfire do slect em th ough dont wanna grill ur maws unels its for flexing

[unreal solstice]

ooooh yeahhhhh ranching...

well...

lol

[floral talon]

i dislike that skill so much

[unreal solstice]

yeah I'm so uninterested

btw TYSM @floral talon !!! I've just harvested my first set of apples and made so many <3 so ty for the layout and all other people around here in the channel for the help :)

[floral talon]

i cannot take credit for the 6 apple layout as its to simple to claim pretty sure loads of poeple invented it at the same time
but happy ot help

[supple stone]

I'm not going to comment on Ranching =3

[floral talon]

u got ur own channel for that 😉

[supple stone]

Indeed haha (also, with the depth I go into Ranching, a whole channel is almost needed...)

[pure atlas]

Did they nerf what harvest boost does to apples? I had 72 fertilizer & it only gave me 16 apples, normally gives me 24… it’s been working, but haven’t harvested since the update

I checked to make sure I did have harvest boost for sure on again after & I did.

[clear kindle]

was the fertilizer on the apple at every growth tic? unless you encountered a glitch, fert needs to be present at every stage to be 100% effective

[pure atlas]

I keep 99 on my apple trees obsessively

It’s the only thing I care about being fertilized 🥹

[pure atlas]

I’ll continue to monitor after this next harvest cycle & see to make 100 percent sure.

[clear kindle]

probably a glitch then. it's the reason that i don't bother with fertilizers and let the crop buffs do everything for me

[unreal solstice]

I don't mind having to use fertilizers every so often... I typically put 99 of the needed type on just those 12 tiles

besides, I mass produce hb, so...

[umbral python]

hb?

nvm , im guessing harvest boost

[pure atlas]

I’ve got so many with my bean burgies lol

[unreal solstice]

is there a formula that shows how many glow worms and HB fert you get from feeding an item with a value X into the farm?

nvm I think I foudn it

[unreal solstice]

I was doing some math to figure out what crops are better sold as seeds and which ones I should turn into preserves. but the outcome is not what I expected. I knew that bok choy is the best seed to sell for gold, but here my spreadsheet suggests that onions are almost 2.5x as good

can you spot anything weird?

ah I think I found it hold on

okay no, this is even worse

this is making bok choy look like the worse crop to sell as a seed... what's going on? the previous pic was incorrect because the production time column was wrong

basically the result is that if you have 10 apples, you can turn those into 1 seed after 142 mins and sell it at 1050. that's 7.4 gold per minute.

bok choy, if you have 10 you can turn them into 40 seeds after 3280 minutes and sell them at 880. that's only 0.27 gold per minute...

what am I missing?

or is that to be expected? is the standard calculation that proves that bok choy is the best based on how many you can harvest in your 9x9 soil, as opposed to apples?

[unreal solstice]

and btw it's also telling me that apples are better off sold as seeds, while all other crops in my layout are much more valuable as preserves...

take a look at the file if you want. I'm confused.

[clear kindle]

apple seeds - 10 apples to 1 seed is 1050g (starred), 10 apples to 10 preserves is 1440g (starred). you need to keep in mind that the seeders and preserve jars run while you are offline while your crops only go one stage when offline, and apparently with the new update the stacks are bigger now so those same seeders/preserve jars can run longer.

[unreal solstice]

this is true, but you can see in the file that I've calculated not only the final production value, but the production value per minute. it's 7.4 gold per minute (seeds) vs 1.9 (jam)

and IIRC both preservers and seed makers can take 30 apples at most as input? right?

[unreal solstice]

so if you put them (30) in the seed collector, it would be done producing 3 seeds in 7 hours, 6 mins, for a starred value of 3150 in total. If you put them in the preserver to make 30 jams, you would end up getting 4320 gold total, which is more, true, but it would take 38 hours!!

Again, if my math is right, Jam becomes more profitable to sell than seeds only if you collect and sell less often than every 27.7 hours

[supple stone]

Yes, Profit per hour is different to profit per in-game day.
This would matter if you were playing 24/7. Also if you haven't unlocked many crafters yet.
But the moment you log off and crafters start to catch up, profit per hour is less important. Because if the crafters ever run out of things to process, that means you've started to lose money.
And considering you can have to to 30 crafters, you can have multiple seeders working on the same crop.

[unreal solstice]

my assumption was that we collect more often than every 27.7 hours

[supple stone]

So you're assuming how many growth ticks per day?

Because working out how long something runs for means little if you don't produce that much on the first place

The majority of players are offline enough during a day for a good number of crafters to catch up to them, even going the highest total profit route (which as you say, is less time efficient)

[unreal solstice]

True, but i don't think that's entirely correct. Again, if you only collect every 27.7 hours, you're still limited to placing 30 apples in each of those crafters, regardless. Right?

I haven't tested it personally, so I'm not sure how many cycles in a day my apple harvest allows me to do

[supple stone]

There's at least 6 hours between collecting a batch of apples, 12 for the first harvest

They grow slowly

But yes, they do need a lot of preserve jars

[unreal solstice]

I see your point. if you don't play enough, you're gonna be short on apples, so you might prefer jam because given enough time it ends up netting more.

[clear kindle]

i run 4 apple trees, with harvest boost i get 96 apples per harvest, i place as many as i can in the preserve jars and let them run, then top them off at each harvest with more apples.

[unreal solstice]

can you guys confirm 30 is the max you can fit in both of those crafters?

[supple stone]

The layout you are using doesn't really need that many other crafters though, so you can afford to go heavy on the preserve jars.
Optimising your Gardening profit is essentially a balance between how much you play, how many crafter slots you have to play with and the layout you go for.
It's generally easiest to just say 'this is generally what will make you the most profit '

[supple stone]

Yes

[unreal solstice]

okay I see. I've been playing a lot in the past few days, so I hadn't considered being offline being so detrimental towards the growth rate of the apples

[supple stone]

I wouldn't see it that way.
Your offline time allows your crafters to maximise the profit you get from your online time

[unreal solstice]

yes, if it takes you 2 real life weeks to do 12 growth ticks, then jam is probably better

[unreal solstice]

counter point: you don't maximize the profit of the crafters by being offline. it just doesn't require you to be online

[supple stone]

I previously calculated that you could get something like 6-10 hours of playtime a day with even Bok Choy and Beans (this was when Beans were king of maximum profit but very long processing time, just after they got introduced), and still be able to process it all.
From memory, Apples aren't as bad as Bok Choy for processing requirements, and Bok Choy is better than Beans used to be too.
So you should be able to manage a fair amount of playtime and still process everything

As Apples have a long 12 growth tick period with no growth, you may need to store some of the apples and process them later, but that's the benefit of having storage

Anyway, bedtime for me. Hope what I've said helps a bit
Good luck working out how you want to set up your crafters

[unreal solstice]

having more apples than I can process sounds like a dream lol

[pure atlas]

It’s absolutely a glitch, it’s doing the same thing 💀 where do I need to report that

[clear kindle]

!support

[compact coral]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[pure atlas]

Appreciate it!

I just did a bug report

[unreal solstice]

speaking of bok choy, wasn't that crop supposed to net more gold when sold as seeds rather than preserve?

even if we don't consider yield per hour and stick to the total amount of gold on final collection, I'm fidning that 30 bok choy turn into 2640 gold as seeds, or 2010 as preserves. it's pretty close

however, seeds take around 10x as much to make. but probably not an issue since I don't get to harvest a lot of it

onion seems to be the only instance of preserves netting more gold than seeds, regardless of time. 1800 vs 2010. sound about right? napa cabbage is exactly as valuable in the form of 180 seeds or 30 preserves.

[floral talon]

go on ask ur question

[unreal solstice]

what question?

[floral talon]

oh u just wanted to say that got it

[unreal solstice]

just trying to double check with you guys that the assumption is correct

[floral talon]

wait a second since seed stacks increased now
it could be more convenient to seed the equally valueble jarred as seeded so u dont have to partial run one for reseed/swap it out wiht jars nonstop

[unreal solstice]

now I'll calculate if turning preserves to fertilizer becomes more valuable for selling than the other two options, I guess

[floral talon]

yes now if only someone could teach me spreadsheets next year when i finally got the time for it i shoudl really make a nice what to proces stuff into sheet ...

[unreal solstice]

it's extremely easy, you can learn it in 5 minutes. you don't have to know coding or anything

[floral talon]

must be the problem that i do know coding 😉

[unreal solstice]

you can also use free softwares like LibreOffice Calc or OpenOffice (better), so you don't necessarily have to pay for Excel

[floral talon]

think google sheets cuz u can share it easier but for now i got enuff projects on my todo list XD

[unreal solstice]

if I understand this correctly, then yeah I would assume this would be better

it should just save you some time

[floral talon]

yeay i mean in before it was like it stalls out super fast
but now it could last longer idk havent remathed it
or it could be seed is slower or faster now which i dont know

[unreal solstice]

it takes 164 real life hours to turn 30 bok choy into 120 bok choy seeds, using a single crafter

[floral talon]

sucha big difference in before u could only chuck 15 in or it would stall XD

[unreal solstice]

what's the new output capacity now?

max amount of seeds produced that can stay inside the machine before it jams?

[floral talon]

200 or something sinc estack size is 100?

[unreal solstice]

ah cool. so yeah you'll never overencumber it for sure

[floral talon]

idk if the bonus unstarred seeds wil clog it faster

[unreal solstice]

well, it takes 164 hours to get 120 seeds. so to get 100 it's almost 150 hours still.

that's a loooot of time

my plan is to sell the seeds of my crops, but keep some crops to make preserves, which will be fed to glow worms to make sustainable fertilizer

[floral talon]

wormers do have this round oputput up or down thing so it oculd be unprofitable but u would have to look it up

and wormers are SOOOOO SLOW!!!

[unreal solstice]

yes, I know the formula now, so I have to find the best crop for it now

how many slots do glow worm farms have? 4? can't remember, can't play rn

specifically, the output slots

hey guys look...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/htmlview
looks like worm farms are better than glow worm farms for gold?! this could be huge @floral talon

[floral talon]

yeay they do on some items but they do stall faster
and i personally dont wanna bother thinking about which wormer i put my trash items into XD
i dont worm gardening stuff though

[unreal solstice]

right, it stalls faster

[stark arch]

The gardening system is so much more involved than I realized xD

I’m still having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that bok Choi is better than tomatoes haha

[weary verge]

Same. I also love the convenience of not having to reseed as often with tomatoes 🍅

[stark arch]

I realized right after making that comment that it takes three tomatoes to make two seeds xD

[short hound]

Any of yalls have a good farm layout with blueberries and peppers with full afk ?

[fleet parcel]

Hello! I've not peppers, apples and blueberries yet.
I'm searching a layout that requests the less possible interaction to make a bit of money.
Someone have some or have tips? Thank you

[coarse tartan]

hi, I've been using this for quite a while, depends how much of which crops you want.. you can ofc put beans/pepper/pumpkin instead of the blueberries and you can use tomatoes and cabbage or potatoes

[pure atlas]

This is the one I used when I first got started

No water/weeding at all

Plus it gives a nice bit of rice for sashimi parties

[fleet parcel]

@coarse tartan @pure atlas thank you both i will try them.

An other newbie question.
The 3xe terrains must be attached so it will became a big 9c9? Or could have a bit of distance and they work the same?

[pure atlas]

They gotta touch to get the full effect, sadly

It’s why there’s no spaces in the gardening planner,to maximize buffs

[coarse tartan]

I have them separately now. but before I had that layout. I'm not on rn, but when I am I can take a screenshot and send you my current layout

[unreal solstice]

@floral talon @supple stone I'm happy to tell you I may have just found a new meta for farming gold via gardening

TL;DR: don't stop at producing apple jam. put all of your apple jam into glow worm farms and sell fert + glow worms

it only takes 10 more hours if you use 3 glow worm farms per apple stack, or probably ≥ 2 days if you use 1 and keep emptying it

[supple stone]

I wouldn't say that's a new meta.
I'll explain why when I have more time

[unreal solstice]

as in it's not new or it's not meta?

[floral talon]

kaelyr wanna know the extremely high money meta?

[unreal solstice]

mining and cooking?

[floral talon]

no mining is for star stones and kitsuu plush

cooking mawshimi $_$
bring rice and up to 480k coins per hour

[unreal solstice]

oh yeah I dont really find cooking very fun though... plus that's active money making. I was looking for a passive income via gardening

you can still do both

[floral talon]

well u need to garden rice for it XD

well my point is if u put in alot of effort to squeeze more out of ur garden u hit a point where attending one mawshimi party can justify beign lazy with gardening for hte rest of the year

[unreal solstice]

yeah I guess that's true...

[floral talon]

it mostly ends up that way cuz dimishing returns on gardening per effort

[supple stone]

Both.
Worming preserves is a known strategy, it's just not generally worth the crafter slot.
You might gain an extra 20g per preserve if you worm them (some it's a little less, some it's a little more). Glow worming tends to be worse than that. Apple jams gain 15g when glow wormed.
If you buy Mountain Morels from Zeki and Glow worm them, you gain 18g for glow worming them. Get them through foraging, it's 29g profit for glow worming.
If you get a bunch of cheap 9g mushrooms from the EW and glow worm those, that's 31g profit.

So yeah, not really worth glow worming the preserves imo
The exception is when you really don't want to do anything except garden, then you might want to squeeze extra profit out of your crops. But at that point, why not put more Bok Choy in and get extra profit that way?

Most seeding/preserve options gain you 35-40g per hour of crafter time, for reference (if you use the more optimal of the two for that crop)
The other crafters tend to be better (but you need to actively go out and gather the mats to put in them)

Also, worming Apple Jam can't be considered meta as Apples are very mediocre for profit. They're convenient, but that's not what meta refers to. Meta means 'Most Effective Tactic Available'
Which, for gardening, is pure Bok Choy farms.
Bok Choy sold raw is only 10% less profitable than Apples preserved, from a gold per space per growth tick perspective. You generally won't sell much raw, but that should give an idea of just how profitable Bok Choy is. Even it's worst option is almost equal with Apples best processing option.

[supple stone]

For efficiency, get more buffs in. Tomatoes give the water retaining buff, just not to other tomatoes. If you made each tomato have at least one potato next to it, they'd all be water retaining, meaning you only need to water when you first plant the seed (or if you miss a harvest day). You can also get quality, yield and weed buffs too.
It's possible to have a layout where everything except the corners has 3 buffs on it.

For value...tomatoes aren't bad, but I hope that's harvest boost or quality up fertiliser? I personally don't care much for quality up, but early on it is as good as harvest boost fertiliser (you just don't have very good choices of crops that give it as a buff). Harvest boost means an extra 50% yield, which is absolutely excellent.
Water/weed buffs also help if you don't make it back to the farm while questing or doing a different activity, which if you otherwise would have missed watering/weeding the garden, can equate to more profit

I also wrote this post a while back, which still has useful info in it: #🌱│gardening message

That help at all?

[lapis axle]

Thank you so much and yes it does help a bunch !!! I was really wondering if I had to put other veggies next to my tomatoes and if the veggies had affinities with others that I wasn't uware of

[floral talon]

welcome to this channel

[supple stone]

Water buff - Tomatoes, Potatoes and Napa Cabbage
Weed buff - Bok Choy, Carrots and Onions
Harvest Boost - Rice, Wheat, Corn, Blueberries, Beans and Apples
Quality Up - Cotton, Spicy Pepper and Pumpkins

It's helpful to have 2 different crops from the same buff type next to each other so both get the buff
Bear in mind that 2x2 crops need 2 tiles of an adjacent crop with a particular buff in order to get that buff (for example, to give Blueberries Harvest Boost, it would need 2 Rice, Wheat or Corn in the 8 tiles around it - or 1 Bean crop, as long as the Beans had 2 adjacent tiles)

(And 3x3s, ie Apple trees need 3 tiles of the buff in order for it to activate)

[lapis axle]

Oh well I still don't have apples yet so I guess I will be sticking to "beginner's veggies"

[fathom mantle]

This is the set up I use, which was pioneered by my Dad. I add Speed Grow fertilizer during the growth period of the apple tree so it starts giving fruit sooner, but otherwise, this is exactly what I use. It nets me plenty of crops on the daily so long as I make sure to keep up on the seed stock.

If you don't have apples yet, you can use the center plot to stock up on wheat, rice and/or cotton, as you will need a lot of those for different recipes down the line!

[coarse tartan]

@fleet parcel this is my setup rn. I might put blueberries to the apple trees instead because I found out that way both will still have full water retain. then have more space on those 3x3 and use them for more pumpkins or smth else (for example full cotton for fabric making)
also the 'middle' one is rn just for full rice/wheat/bok choy, but yea, that one needs watering.

[unreal solstice]

anyone else having this visual glitch?

[hard stratus]

why do my berry bushes have nothing despite being around all of these?

[clear kindle]

the 2x2 crops need two of the same buff in order to get said buff. so you would need two water retain crops touching the blueberry in order to get the water retain buff

apples are the same way but need three of the same buff to get the benefit

[hard stratus]

ah... dang it

[umbral spoke]

okay genuine question - am i using fertilizer wrong?
i'll put it on my crops and a day later all of it's gone and when I hit examine, there's no fertilizer on them... am i missing something? i'm so confused haha

[soft hatch]

The garden uses one fertilizer per square per in-game day. So for example a carrot or any single tile crop will use one fertilizer per day, a blueberry bush will use 4, an apple tree 9.
You can place up to 99 fertilizer on each crop so that you do not have to add fertilizer each day.

[umbral spoke]

oh my goodness thank you so much

i'm not sure if the game told me that at the start but i have a genuinely awful memory so thank you so much for explaining !!

[white trench]

does anyone know if theres a way to make smth to fill my watering can so i dont have to runn aoll the way across my plot

[soft hatch]

There is a well available in the gardening guild store, but it's 1120 coins I think, so quite a grind!

[white trench]

oh thx. i was gonna try and use the fountains you can craft, but i havent cashed in all my coins so i shouldnt have to grind for long

[barren temple]

I’m looking to change my garden to a more high yield/income layout, what is everyone’s favourite crops for this? Is it just tomatoes everywhere and water and weed a lot?

[short hound]

Anyone have a good layout for blueberries and hot peppers fully afk?

[fathom mantle]

I deliberately saved up for that! It's made my life so much easier! I also have my worm bins, seed makers, and one chest all nearby for easy access!

[knotty pagoda]

What is the best crop to grow? I grow a mix of things so I can make food, but in terms of best sell price as thats my primary way of making money since I enjoy gardening, what are some of the best ones to grow?

[golden socket]

Pumpkins. Can them for maximum value

[golden socket]

Here you go. Someone else dropped this last week

[knotty pagoda]

I didnt even know you could preserve things

I played the game in beta then stopped playing for ages then played again then stopped playing for ages, so just started playing recently again so a lot of new things i am unaware of

[golden socket]

The game's still in Beta, tbh

[knotty pagoda]

But thank you for the info this is very helpful

[golden socket]

You're welcome. Have fun

[golden socket]

Oh wait, I just remembered! Apple is a close second in price, but you get more per harvest. I'd recommend canning both of those.

[supple stone]

Pumpkins are the very worst crop to grow for profit, even if you can then for maximum value. The yield is too low compared to other crops for the high individual sell price to be able to compensate

And apples are middle of the road for profit

[supple stone]

When you consider the money made per tile per day of growth, nothing comes close to Bok Choy.

The image shared by Revas talks more about which of the crafters is more efficient for each crop.

There's a table in this post that shows the ranking of different crops if you are able to process everything with no backlog before the next harvest (for most players who don't play a ton, this is manageable) - #🌱│gardening message

If you can't process everything without backlog, then the image Revas shared becomes relevant

[supple stone]

For pure profit, nothing beats Bok Choy. However, I'm too lazy to deal with pure profit setups (full try-hard Bok Choy needs harvesting every 3 growth ticks, needs a ton of crafters and a ton of fertiliser, with manual watering and weeding).
In the link I just posted above, there's another link to compilations of various layouts including profit-oriented layouts that are mostly water/weed proof

[supple stone]

This is an unusual request. How many blueberries and spicy peppers are you looking for?
And for what purpose?
For stocking up for cooking parties maybe? They're both rather low value crops for processing yourself otherwise
Still, if you just like the look of the crops, that's totally ok.

[short hound]

to keep for cooking

i need mostly blueberries tho so

as much as possible tbh

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message
Switch the blueberries and beans around
Replace 1-2 of the outer 2x2s with peppers (some harvest boost fertiliser will be needed next to them)

So that would be 1-2 peppers and 6-7 blueberries
Though if you went for 2 peppers, you could fit in 7 blueberries actually - just rather than having 4 beans in the middle, 3 beans and 1 blueberries, then have the outer crops be 6 blueberries and the 2 that connect to the inner blueberries would be peppers
Does that make sense?

[short hound]

Could I have a visual if possible

[supple stone]

Maybe when I'm at my PC, it's essentially just the layout I linked to but you swap around the 2x2s

Not a fan of doing layouts on mobile, just takes way longer

[golden socket]

Yeah, I didn't consider crop yields until after I said it 😅 I was going purely by that chart someone else made.
I appreciate you weighing in.

[supple stone]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Cb.HO.HSP.HBk.HSSSB.H-SCb.WBSPBB.HBk.WBt-BOCb.HBBkPBtBB-SSB.HCb.YOBkBBBt-B.HCbBtCbP.HCbBtCbBt-BtBBBkOCb.YBtBB-BBBtPBkBCb.HOB-BtBk.WBtBPBBCb.WB-BtBBBBkPBOCb.H_L50Cr0.BtS18-BP3-CbP2-BkS4-PS2-OP
7 Blueberries, 2 Peppers. Needs 18 Fertiliser per day.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-Cb.HO.HSPBkSBBBt-SCb.WBSPBBtBk.WBt-BOCb.HBBkPBtBB-BBBtCb.YOBkBBBt-BtCbBtCbP.HCbBtCbBt-BtBBBkOCb.YBtBB-BBBtPBkBCb.HOB-BtBk.WBtBPSBCb.WS-BtBBSBkPSO.HCb.H_L50Cr0.BtS18-BP3-CbP2-BkS4-PS2-OP
6 Blueberries, 2 Peppers. Needs 13 Fertiliser per day.

Though I still wonder why you'd need so many Blueberries.
If you're hosting Cake Parties, you need Blueberries to start the recipe, but these layouts would produce far too many Blueberries for you to use via hosting.
If you are attending Cake Parties, generally hosts ask that you bring Apples for the frosting as that increases the profit that everyone gets. Even for other recipes, not sure you'll ever get through so many blueberries

[spring abyss]

I hit gardening level 10! I have four apple seeds.. what's the best layout for profit? I mostly do preserves and seeds, some cooking for glow worm farms

[pure atlas]

This one is pretty good but it does require tending. I like no water no weeding but personal preference

Also depends if you need quality up as well

[spring abyss]

Thank you! I mostly care for water retain as I'm away often, and quality up. Harvest increase and weeding is a plus but not as necessary as I have fert for harvest or quality 💖

[supple stone]

Do you want to grow the apples, or are you just looking for optimal money? Apples are convenient crops, but they are not the most profitable

[spring abyss]

I think I want them mostly for preserves and possibly pies when it get the recipe, for selling and glow worms!

[supple stone]

There are better options for glow worms in general, but it is a convenient source of them.

Follow the links in this post to the afk/everything garden compilations, both have lots of full water/weed coverage with apples
#🌱│gardening message

[clear kindle]

this layout the bushes and trees are afk. you can swap out the blueberries for beans as both give the harvest boost buff, but beans are worth a bit more in gold. if you only harvest the apples and blue/beans then you can ignore the rest of the crops unless you want the aesthetic of the grown crop (or you want to harvest them)

[spring abyss]

Excellent thank you!

[spring abyss]

What would you say is best for glowworms? Thank you!

[supple stone]

Depends. Do you want fast glow worms, low effort glow worms or high profit glow worms?
If you want glow worms quickly, as the number you get depends on the value of the item put in, you want high value items. Foods from profit-based cooking parties or grilled fish work well for this.
If you want lower effort, then if you use the glow worms for fishing, using the fish you would otherwise sell to grill and glow worm is essentially recycling the fish. If you Ranch, the stuff you get from the animals is slow but reliable glow worms (and tends to be good profit if you were to sell it). Of course, using jams is still a low effort option.
For maximal profit if you want to sell the glow worms, animal produce, cheap forage or meats/shrooms from hunting

[floral talon]

im working on a improvement

[spring abyss]

I'm a mostly solo player and I'm wanting to use the worms to fish and sell the fish/grill em etc. I usually give my eggs to my reg worms.

Thank you so much to lay it out like this; it helps a lot

[supple stone]

Eggs are much better glow wormed - 40g worth of stuff glow wormed, but 30g when wormed
Honestly, I would suggest trying to put the fish you get from using the glow worms in the glow worm farm (after grilling), see how that suits you (used to be what I did when I actually fished much - now I kinda just Ranch and Garden)

[spring abyss]

Thank you 🥹 Ill give it a shot! reg worms just excess forage?

[supple stone]

Anything low cost (maybe <60g? ish?) is better glow wormed. Anything higher cost is almost always better wormed, but due to rounding there are a few exceptions.

[spring abyss]

Thank you 🙂

[supple stone]

Actually, Brightshroom is best wormed, so maybe I should say anything <50g or so

[spring abyss]

Oh really I thought those were best glow wormed! Okay

[floral talon]

@clear kindle ?

[covert kettle]

What was that six apple trees afk all buffed x3 layout?

[knotty pagoda]

What do i do with skill medals? I just got level 10 in gardening and am now getting skill medals

[supple stone]

Whatever you want. I personally recommend the well as you can draw water from it. One of the few skill medal decors that actually had a function

[supple stone]

#🌱│gardening message

[knotty pagoda]

A well would be very nice, where would I find the place to purchase the things?

[supple stone]

Badruu's guild shop

The well is expensive, will take some time to save up for it

[knotty pagoda]

Alright thank you, I do farming a lot so that works for me, I get it being expensive.

[supple stone]

And to be clear, the guild store is when you speak to Badruu, not his veggie shop on the farm

[knotty pagoda]

Alright thank you very much

[drifting pendant]

Not sure if I should put this question in here or in fishing. What's good to put in the worm bin?

[wide night]

I use bean burgers

[supple stone]

Anything really. Higher the value, higher the number of worms and fertiliser you get out.
If you mean glow worms, #🌱│gardening message

[drifting pendant]

Im fairly early game still.

[supple stone]

I was always a fan of grilling whatever fish I found for my worm farms early game

[floral talon]

Exces fish grilled exces foragables and meats

[proud cosmos]

any idea how to fix this

[floral talon]

u cant

[austere monolith]

Hi! Just wanted an opinion on my layouts. I’m trying to maximize profit and also have enough excess crop to save for cooking so I want to try to grow everything. I set it up as single plot layout (not all 9 connected) because I play on switch and it’s kind of hard to not mess up when trying to see the plots😅 First one is a common recommendation from online but I tried just throwing the last two together myself. I plan on applying fertilizer as well and I’m not too focused on weed prevention or water retention.

I also just unlocked the preservers and have 5 or 6ish seed collection on my plot rn!

If that help with opinions or ideas

[floral talon]

do u intend to only use one soil or use seperated soils for deccorative reasons?

[austere monolith]

I’m using all 9 soils but just not connected as one big one, because it’s easier on my eyes until I can get it on pc

If that makes sense😭

[floral talon]

would a ez on the eye 9 soil layout laso work?

its looking quiet decent btw

[austere monolith]

It could. My issue was I did this bokchoy/rice/wheat layout I saw on YouTube and messed up so bad because of how scattered everything was and the mechanics of the switch didn’t help because they aren’t the best

[austere monolith]

Thanks!

[floral talon]

il show u the very most complicated one XD
and hten a simpler one

[stark arch]

What’s with the garden planner money system? I have a layout but my yield isn’t anywhere close to the number it spit out for me:(

Sorry if this has already been asked, I tried looking through old messages but couldn’t find what I needed

[floral talon]

show layout plz

[stark arch]

Sorry, wrong button xD

I’m using starred seeds for about 80% of these and still not making the same amounts

[floral talon]

it has the total listed production for 60 growthticks

of constant replanting when something is done

[stark arch]

Right, that’s what I do too!

[floral talon]

also thats a outdated layout we got way better ones now

[stark arch]

Ooo I’d love some help getting an updated layout going!!

[floral talon]

ok lets start with understanding hte layout makers buttons
as that was what u were orignally asking about

and uhm i pposted the best 2 low level layouts a few messages above already in picture form wiht links even

[stark arch]

I basically just want to make a bunch of money off of selling produce xD

[stark arch]

I’ll take a look at those, thank you so much

[floral talon]

u need these settings to have the easiest time comparing layouts

[stark arch]

Dang I did not realize the planner had that much detail in it, that’s so cool

[floral talon]

ok so a growthtick which the layoutmaker thing calls per day on older scrnshots
is when ur online at 0600 palian time and one time after at 0600 after logging of

so if u log in at 0559 u probs have to harvest replant super fast XD
cuz stuff dont grow whne harvestable

but if u log at 0559 and nothing was harvestable from ur offline tick and then logout at 0600
a growhttick passes and u then get the offline tick if u dont login before hte next time its 0600

making sure u didnt th ink u were getting rowths in when u werent as they are not 24/7 realtime growing

[stark arch]

Oh geez so make sure to harvest before 6 then

[stark arch]

No bok Choi? I thought that was a good one for sales

[unreal solstice]

unfortunately, it seems that you can't prevent this glitch from happening right now. it happens when a crop is placed between multiple 3x3 soils. you can only temporarily "fix" it by watering the crop

fertilizer should work too

[unreal solstice]

I have one with 5 apples and 4 blueberries. this was from when I didn't know cabbages were better than tomatoes

[clear kindle]

it's good, but with my layout, you don't need to worry about fertilizer at all, especially if you just want to harvest the apples and blue/beans. so it doesn't cut into your profits to have to buy so much weed block

[unreal solstice]

didn't realize yours was based on not caring about non-apples/berries.

[clear kindle]

yeah, it's a good layout if you are doing a lot of cake parties (as you need blueberries to start and apples to get the highest out of it), but i've always enjoyed doing other things than babysitting my garden every hour. so after i get the aesthetic of the grown crops in my garden, i just forget them for the bushes/apples

[floral talon]

And replant and water and pluckweeds

[floral talon]

U dont need its buff as much and u dont have the crafters to proces it wel anyways

[floral talon]

I also made a 5blueberry 4 apple one with little fert even without fert it dhould be more jam then the 4 and 4 one

[drifting pendant]

I noticed a lot of people's layouts don't include peppers. Im guessing there is a reason. What is it?

[floral talon]

there buff is useless at higher lvs and then that makes getting the afk + harvest boost perks harder to put in the layout
2x2s are super difficult to place welll into layout making the layout way more complicated
peppers are poor money
pepeprs do have a use in some dishes but most poeple go to a large cooking party anyways(if they even bother to keep their focus bar up) so even if something does take peppers u basically only need one person to bring any

[drifting pendant]

Ok.

[floral talon]

i mean if u do need a peppers i can help make alayout for that in alot of hours

most poeple dont need many and maybe run one plant at a time in a subsection for their regular layout to stock up

[drifting pendant]

I figured I would plant them for now until I start getting more blueberries and then later apples.

Also are there certain foods recommended for livestock?

[floral talon]

I would personally recommend jarred veggies as cooking for ur animals will take alot of work

[drifting pendant]

Some of these layout charts look like sudoku boards especially with crops alternated.

[floral talon]

they are very simple onmce u realise that each buff type crop needs a buddy tog et its own buff

[wintry plank]

hey yall. found this online for best way to lay out the garden for minimal watering/weeding. however this layout involves crops maturing at different times, so people said they prefer to plant one crop (i.e., onion) at a time in the "gaps." im still new to palia and gardening so was wondering what they mean by the gaps? im assuming they means crops that dont provide some benefit (i.e., cross watering)?

[floral talon]

i got no clue what they mean by it either

[rotund meadow]

Hi I got suggested to come here, I am a little confused with farming. When this picture shows this value of gold. If that for fully harvesting everything and selling in the shipping bin or do I have to make jams and preserves? I have this exact layout and dont seem to be making anywhere near this value?

I dont understand the growth cycles and everything. Once I fully harvest every plant and replant all, I havent made anywhere near 194441

[clear kindle]

so, for starters, you see where it says 90 growth tics? the total is for that number, selling just raw crops (as the layout does not show any seeds/jars in the produce section) so in other words after 90 growth tics (1 palia day/hour) that is the grand total you would have made just harvesting and selling the crops raw. it is always recommended to process the crops into either seeds or preserve jars depending on the crop though it looks like most of this layout would be better put into jars for processing. remember though, crops only grow 1 stage while you are offline and then stop growing until the next time you log in

[rotund meadow]

Why do we measure in 90 ticks?

[clear kindle]

i believe it's because it gives a more accurate total as all the crops are counted for all of the harvest that they can provide, along side replanting.

[rotund meadow]

so 90 ticks is 1 palia day?

not making anyway near that gold

or 1 tick 1 palia day

[clear kindle]

1 tick is 1 palia day (6am is when the garden updates itself in game), which is 1 hour. again when you are offline, the garden grows 1 more stage (1 growth tic) then stops

[grand vector]

Trtying to find a full water retain and weed prevention without the need of fertilisers.

[supple stone]

I think this is one of the best options, but it only uses single tile crops #🌱│gardening message
Once you start putting in the larger crops, it becomes more difficult to juggle all of the buffs (would be easier if you didn't care about Harvest Boost), but equally, I can't really give other suggestions until you give more info about what you would be looking for in the layout

[ivory pond]

can someone eli5 why some of my plants with water retain retain water and others dont?

[floral talon]

which plants dont? show scrnshot or something for context

[ivory pond]

Apples retain but blueberries don't. They all have boosts from plants around them

[floral talon]

do the blueberrys have 2 water retain plants next to them?
if htey are harvestable and a growthtick passes they will get unwatered

[ivory pond]

Idk if that's just how it works never paid attention to it

It's sylvas layout I just alternate beans and blueberries depending what I need

[floral talon]

2x2s need to border 2 tiles to something of a bufftype to get that buff
additionally when harvestable and a growthtick passes all plants will unwater themselves

[ivory pond]

Ah oki thanks

Then why don't I have to water apples

[floral talon]

the unwatering is only annoying on multyharvest plants though u dont notice on once and done plants or when its their final harvest anyways

[ivory pond]

Do apples not unwater themselves

Cause I harvest blueberries and apples and I only have to water blueberries xd

[floral talon]

not if water retained usually
but blues and apples dont have the same harvest times

[ivory pond]

Oki

[floral talon]

also i made a better sylvas layout >:D

[ivory pond]

The one with 5 2x2 or something? I saw that recently

[floral talon]

still have to slightly tweak it so u can grow a few extra crops afk

well in hindsight i have to fix the thing

[spring abyss]

I have a bunch of starred apple preserves and a few apple pies.. Idk a good balance between selling or giving to worms. What do you think?

I mostly plan to sell worms. Im hating fishing lmao

I'll fish enough to make grilled fish but that's about it

[floral talon]

Worm with exces crafter capacity not sure of starred jam is wormed for profit though it will give quality up
Can also worm exces meats and mushrooms

[spring abyss]

Thank ya, I heard at some point in gardening I wont need quality up as much since starred crops will be more likely, yes?

and do only sweet foodsd give quality up?

[floral talon]

Sweet quality up
Savory harvestboost

+2%point chance of starred per gardening lv
Lv25 starred seeds no unstar
Lv38 unstar seeds no unstar

[sacred meteor]

anyone have a quick link to like the best apple farming set up? i dont like farming so ima just do it to make apples for lures, so anything w the most apple profit/ self water is nice

[floral talon]

GUYS I FINISHED A NEW LAYOUT!!!!
@clear kindle u specifically might be very interested in it

[drifting pendant]

I need a layout for just getting blueberries. Anyone have ideas or recommendations?

[slate kelp]

Hi, have the pleasure to show you an greatest layout for your garden !

[floral talon]

thats a surprisingly good one actually