🌱│gardening

[clear kindle]

all plants will go away after a certain amount of harvesting has occurred. with spicy peppers you should get 4 harvests total (the first harvest after 6 growth tics and then 3 more every 3 growth tics. if it disappeared before that, then you might want to send in a ticket to support

[misty cedar]

Okay thank you

[south hinge]

Does anyone know why my garden just perpetually has fertilizer on it? Is it a glitch?

[clear kindle]

if you have crops that give the same buff to the plant that has fertilizer on it, the crop buff gets used first. so for example, if you have weed block fertilizer on a tomato plant, but to the left of the tomato plant you have an onion plant (that gives weed block buff) the onion's buff takes priority

otherwise, it's a bug and should be reported

[south hinge]

Tysm but I meant the actual seed-texture itself. I haven’t thrown any new fertilizer on it in over six months and it’s still there

[clear kindle]

then it's probably a visual glitch if there's no actual fertilizer in that spot

[south hinge]

Ok that’s what I thought but I wasn’t sure. Thank you 🙏🏻

[clear kindle]

probably next time the tiles are able to be picked up, try picking it up and placing it back down to see if that fixes it

[mint sandal]

I could see that mystery 2x2 crop being some sort of grape vine or something similar

[lucid furnace]

Yeah, some sort of legume or vining crop ... and the 1x1s have been identified as potatoes and tomatos ..

[mint sandal]

We could finally be getting some legit lettuce though. They did say they accidentally released it early when they gave us 5 seeds for father's day

[neat vortex]

If it's perpetually not being used up (because of the companion buff taking priority), then it will stay there indefinitely unless the plant loses the companion buff, showing the pink granules and the animation that tells you which fertilizer it is. I actually am storing a few hundred HB fertilizer in my garden on crops that are touching my apple trees 😅 (see picture: the potato has the fertilizer in the soil, but doesn't show a number with the count, because it's getting harvest boost from the tree)

What does the animation look like? (pink swirls, bouncing brown dots, rising sparkles, or falling blue droplets?)

[south hinge]

So just to make sure I’m understanding: because I have plant buffs going on around my plants, the fertilizer will just stay there, ready and waiting, until the plant buffs are removed?

The animation is pink swirls.

[neat vortex]

Correct! It will stay in the soil and never deplete as long as that plant is getting the harvest boost buff from a neighbor. (The pink swirls are HarvestBoost fertilizer.)

[south hinge]

Gotcha! Thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

Sure thing! And in case you want to retrieve the fertilizer from the soil, you can put 1 unit of any other fertilizer on top of it: it will replace the existing fertilizer, which will hop into your bag. (Because that's how fertilzer granules work, right? :P)

You can inspect the tile and see which buffs the plant has from neighbors. If you choose a buff that the plant doesn't have, and use 1 unit of that fertilizer, then the fertilizer will be consumed on the next growth tick and leave the soil clear. :)

I keep a handful of QualityUp fertilizer around for just this purpose (no plants in my layout give quality boost), and I end up using it a couple of times a month due to misclicks. lol

[south hinge]

Not to be dramatic but you’re a lifesaver loll

[neat vortex]

I really can't stand having stuff moving unnecessarily in something I need to pay close attention to (like, if it doesn't give me extra information), so I completely understand

[frail sierra]

If you zoom in it kind of looks like there’s water drops in the air. I wonder if we’ll get sprinklers? Or am I crazy and are those not water drops 💀

[lucid furnace]

ooh good eye .. although it could be the swirly effect when you fertilise it, the apple tree in the video has that swirly effect.

[frail sierra]

No you’re probably totally right 😫

[lucid furnace]

we can always live in hope 🙂 but definitely a good suggestion option, so I will try and remember it after the expansion drops to see what additional stuff we get and whats still missing 🙂

[floral talon]

Anyone know what kind of irl plant is planted like that

[neat vortex]

In the video, the player had just finished watering the garden, which puts water droplets into the air as an effect

so I'd bet that that is what it was, but I'd be interested to be wrong!

[vital gorge]

string beans (pole beans)

[neat vortex]

That tracks! Hope it will mean more options for focus food for players who find eating meat or fish in-game to be uncomfortable.

Almost all of the most cost-effective dishes right now require meat (with steak dinner at the top)

[floral talon]

unles u party but yeay screw meat obsession

videogame food is far to carnivorious biased

[mint sandal]

True. I never realized it could be an issue for people

[prisma vale]

Me neither tbh. And people do cost/effective focus food?

[floral talon]

i eat all the cakes i get from cakeparty so economical so low effort kinda slow to make though and u waste a lot of focus but 0 cutting yey

[thorn oxide]

I wouldn't say I'm uncomfortable with in-game meat and hunting animals and stuff, since I know it's not real.
But it's definitely a plus to get more options that resemble my irl food

My first thought when I saw the wood construction was hops to be honest

but I looked at pictures and probably that would be too low for a hop plant?

[pulsar haven]

knocks in here

is there a spread sheet for pickling and stuff? like including money and focus perchance

is there anyway to better this by chance? like adding more onion and rice or using harvest boost fertilizer or something i wanna add a bit more but still get a bunch of apples heheh

[clear kindle]

courtesy of duhscape and ren

[pulsar haven]

is there any way to add more rice and onion by chance? idk how this works :3

[clear kindle]

this is a 100% harvest boost, water retain and weed block layout. so, basically a set it and forget it layout. i personally just harvest the apples and leave everything else in the ground, but more than welcome to harvest what you need for cooking/use. minimal harvest boost is used where the little fertilizer icons are at to get the 100%.

as far as getting more onion or rice (or any other crop outside of the blueberries and peppers), you can simply swap out like buff crops with each other. so if you want more onions, you can swap it in on any tile that has bok choy or carrots (either fully or partially just don't place the onions next to each other or you won't get the weed buff on them), same goes with rice and the corn. you can replace the corn tiles for rice (or wheat) if needed

if you are harvesting for profit however, the amount you get will change depending on which crops you have

[pulsar haven]

aaa this is perfect thank u so much this is what i needed i leave it up to the professionals for farming

[upper mist]

Who wants to grace me with their hard work and inspire me for my next garden setup

Looking for pickles/jam and as little fertiliser-use as possible

Oo and also a little bit of everything would be perfect

[floral talon]

I really should organise my qr code layout family

[neat vortex]

i.e., not wanting to mess with seed makers? Money or eating?

[upper mist]

Yeah emphasis on jam/pickles but some crops for seedmakers is fine, mostly for money but if it has a bit of everything I can cook too once in a while 😄

[neat vortex]

Hm, how's this one? #🌱│gardening message

Or there is a less-fruit one just below it

Obviously modifiable for whatever crops; I can do that for you to skew for jars, if you'd like me to/if you just wanna plant and go

[upper mist]

Ah that's perfect actually! Thank you 😄 💚

[barren sphinx]

this look ok for box choy max output?

[floral talon]

yup dont forget to harvest boost that rice though

[versed harbor]

I believe one of the articles about the elderwood update mentioned ||a mushroom that is able to substitute meat in recipes|| but idk how accurate that is i think that would be super cool tho!

[neat vortex]

Sounds perfectly plausible to me

[neat vortex]

Out of curiosity, how does this compare to Aqajj's 55 bok choy layout?
see here: #🌱│gardening message

Keep in mind also that as your bok choy production goes up, unless your playtime in a given amount of real time is pretty low, it will become increasingly difficult to have your crafters keep up with your replanting; so the on-paper numbers (which assume instant processing) may not jive with reality.

[barren sphinx]

i have no idea.

i dont harvest the rice tho just use it for the boost

[floral talon]

doesnt that sacrefice so muhc slots u might aswell not do a tryhardbokchoi layout ?

[barren sphinx]

i dont konw much about it, just wanrted as little work as possible for the output,.

maybe i dont understand how the plot simulator works

[floral talon]

wiht output i am going to assume u mean money
u can use the layout planner to select what u process stuff into (select seeds for bokchoi at least
(dont forget if u got a 3day plant and a 4day plkant to put days on 12 so you get an accurate per day gold production reading on it)
now if we substract 13rice and 3 wheat from ur layouts goold per day we probably end up with less then just a harvestboost water retain layout( WHICH are much less work)

and also far less crafter time since bokchoi takes alot of crafter time to proces into seeds

[barren sphinx]

i mean, im just harvesting and preserving ther bok choy so like, less to plant is easier right/

[floral talon]

easier planting is nice for sure
but watering weeding takes time to and i personally just want max coins per effort XD

[barren sphinx]

not sure whi i pur wheat in there lol

oh yeah, watering takes time bnut i suppose i dont mind. its like a casual thing anyway

[floral talon]

XD yeay some poeple like or dont care watering so then i wont count it as effort for sure

this is what a very lazy water retain harvest boost layout which is not that hard to plant and well cabbage u need to replant half as much as bokchoi for example

so u can get some feel for gold per growthtick

[neat vortex]

If you aren't harvesting the rice, then this will give you a clearer idea of the numbers: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HBkBk.HNBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HN-NBk.HNBk.HBkBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.H-Bk.HBkBk.HBk.HBk.HNNBk.HBk.H-BkBk.HBk.HBk.HNBk.HBkBk.HBk.H-Bk.HNBk.HBkBk.HBkBk.HNBk.H-Bk.HBk.HBkBk.HNBk.HBk.HBk.HBk-Bk.HBk.HNNBk.HBk.HBk.HBkBk.H-Bk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HBkBk.HNBk.HN-NBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HNBk.HBkBk.H

I put your layout into the garden planner, put HB fert on all the bok choy that were getting the buff from the rice, then took out the rice.

[floral talon]

wow i would just replace with corn and set amount of days to 3

[neat vortex]

That would probably be easier, yeah!

But it also gives you a proper % HB

(i.e., 82% of the bok choy in Stressicca's layout are harvest boosted, in case that's interesting to know)

Here's same treatment given to Aqajj's layout, again assuming you are not harvesting the grains (which will obviously waste more tiles):
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HNNBk.HBk.HBk.HNBk.HBk.H-Bk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HNBk.HBk.HNBk.H-NNBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HN-NBk.HNBk.HBk.HNBk.HBk.HN-Bk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HNBk.H-NBk.HNNBk.HBk.HNBk.HBk.H-NBk.HBk.HNBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HN-Bk.HNBk.HBk.HBk.HBk.HNBk.HN-Bk.HBk.HNBk.HBk.HNNBk.HBk.H

100% HB coverage doesn't make up for 10 fewer bok choy:

• 3724/tick for 65 bok choy in jars at 82% HB
• 3378/tick for 55 bok choy in jars at 100% HB
  not accounting for processing time

Now... I don't know how the math would work out for switching to processing them as seeds (needs more crafter slots) vs. using several crafter slots to produce HB fertilizer and planting a whole dang field of bok choy, then dumping fertilizer all over it lol

81 bok choy in jars at 100% HB (fertilizer) is 4975/tick, less 405g for the fertilizer, for 4570/tick.

But good LUCK processing that many, and to keep up with that much fertilizer, you'd probably need 2 glow worm farms filled with as many uncommon glow worm fish, grilled, as you can stuff in there. XD

(Or some pretty expensive fish stew, etc.)

[primal junco]

I hope that in future updates, Badruu will be able to give away seeds for crops that will improve the quality like cotton to.

[neat vortex]

Peppers do also, but they are annoying to work into a layout lol

[outer condor]

PALIA CAN WE PLEASE GET SOME AUTOMATIC SPRINKLERS BC IM TIRED GRANDPA😭

[dull lance]

Does anyone have a layout for cotton?

[compact kettle]

try my water retain build

lmk if you like my build or if it's bad i'm pretty new and thought it looked good

[outer condor]

I only plant apples and rice lol

[clear kindle]

if you're looking for a 100% harvest boost, water retain and weed block, try this layout from duhscape and ren. i use it and just harvest the apples, find it gives more than enough apples to make to jams for profit

[crimson ore]

Anyone know a sheet like this one with updated crops like "BokChoy" and "Pepper"?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10lX79D5rD1Cn6u2LLHkA1L9I0eUi3oTG8UB4y2D579o/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[severe python]

how many flowers are in game you can collect and how to get them? i found this one, but i have more flowers than are on this list

[thorn oxide]

23 flower buds can be achieved by bug catching
(https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Flowers)
The Mixed Hydrangea Flower is one you get from a quest called Founders Keepers

[severe python]

thank you

[mellow drum]

Hello, i have come back not played since last summer arround august, have they added any new crops or any QoL farming updates that may not be apparent?

[severe python]

is there anyway i can trade with people to share them?

[thorn oxide]

not that I know it at the moment

[edgy yacht]

Is there an optimal farm layout for maximising profit?

[neat vortex]

Yes, absolutely! You can request a flower type once you've acquired them once. (Most except the 3 newest can be bought using bug catching medals, if you are struggling with a particular one.)

The beauty of it is that someone can fill your request with a full-grown flower that has already given its seed, and it will come out on your side as a seedling you can plant and propagate. \o/

The Lunar Anemone is the only one you can't acquire right now, as it's only from the Luna New Year event.

[neat vortex]

One single optimal layout? No, because it will mostly depend on factors specific to the player.

However, there have been a few stabs made at it, though all require a fair amount of work for replanting at minimum, if not also daily watering and weeding.

Edit for 0.193: RIP beans, removed the bean-heavy layouts

Minmax Layouts

DuhScape's Linear Mostly-Preserves

AFK with bought fertilizer
#🌱│gardening message

• add a carrot or onion to the center tile of each plot for 100% weed prevention
• if using seedmakers, use wheat rather than corn; process all but tomato and carrot/onion as seeds:
  #🌱│gardening message

Fairy's Max Profit AFK

AFK with bought fertilizer
#🌱│gardening message
more bok choy, more fertiliser: #🌱│gardening message

Khan the Windseeker's Bullseye

cash crops version by Ren
AFK, medium-easy pattern
#🌱│gardening message

The Tryhard bok choy

manual weeding/watering, easy pattern
#🌱│gardening message

Aquajj's super duper minmaxed bok choy

manual weeding/watering
#🌱│gardening message

Lucas Dylan's rather poetic Three Lines AFK

AFK with bought fertilizer, easy pattern
#🌱│gardening message

Bok Choy Focused AFK by @supple stone Cysruleon Silverwind

AFK with bought fertilizer
#🌱│gardening message

These are focused PURELY on solo processing profits, ignoring potential cooking party profits, focus food needs, etc.

But, also, keep in mind that the potential a layout has on paper may not match the results you get in-game, depending on you. If you're out of the house for longer periods, then short-growing crops will sit idle, no longer gaining value once they're grown.

If you look at your garden and go "ugh I don't wanna deal with all that today" - same thing.

Meanwhile, apples only get middling gold per tile per growth tick, BUT they just keep on chugging... making them a good option to include for a more hands-off garden.

So, the "optimal" garden for profit for YOU is one that you're happy to keep up with.

[neat vortex]

You may also find this interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

[neat vortex]

These two posts miiight have what you are looking for?

Edit: note that fabric now requires TWO cotton each, which imo makes it more cost-effective to buy your fabric outright and plant something else

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

But it's basically guaranteed we'll be getting a couple new crops in Elderwood, so I'll be really curious to see how all this changes in a month :)

[crimson ore]

Perfect thanks, that is what I was looking for 👌😘❤️

[crystal wasp]

I know the well item is glitched (missing the water asset inside). But I was wondering if it's still functional? I wasn't sure if it still functions to refill the watering can, or if it's completely devoid of water lol. Thanks in advance

I figured I'd post this in gardening since I'm assuming most people use it as a gardening decor/tool.

[mint sandal]

It functions, we just can't see the water

[crystal wasp]

Awesome, thanks for letting me know! I wanted to confirm before I spent my tokens on the well or the gardener's growhouse item from Badruu. Looks like I'll be getting the well!

[rough silo]

I am confused by how fertilizer works, do I need to do it once per crop or once per day to gain the benefits?

[clear kindle]

fertilizer needs to be present at every growth tic for it to be effective. so if a plant takes three growth tics to harvest, you need three pieces of fertilizer to get the full benefit (the effectiveness goes down percent wise if no fert is present during a growth tic). the amount of fertilizer that a plant needs is based on how many tiles the crop takes up (apples take 9 fertilizer per growth tic as it takes up 9 tiles, peppers and blueberries take 4). you can stack up to 99 fertilizer on the crops so you don' need to keep running home to place it. also, if a crop gives a buff, the buff will take priority over the fertilizer. so if you have weed block crops, the crops that get that buff won't need fertilizer unless the buffing crop is harvested

[knotty pagoda]

Is there anyway i can increase how much soil i can buy, as i have got 9 plots of soil and it wont let me buy anymore from badruu

[sour elm]

No 9 is the maximum

[compact kettle]

noob question but if you don't harvest crops do they stay until you do or will they die

[floral talon]

they stay forever but unharvested crops is not a crop thats growing
unles u cause a timetravel bug with knapweed then they can ungrow very annoying

[floral talon]

they will unwater after being harvestable for one tick though

[compact kettle]

wait what now O_o they can ungrow?

its more so just to quality boost my apples without having to harvest the other plants

or "buff" my apples withmultiple buffs

[floral talon]

u can do that its just inefficient as ur wasting some tiles of ur soils

[compact kettle]

laziness >>>>> efficiency though

[silent otter]

are star seeds guaranteed star crops?

[clear kindle]

once you reach level 20-25 (guaranteed at level 25) yes, star seeds will only produce star crops, around level 38 with 50 being guaranteed even regular seeds will give you star crops

[silent otter]

oh wow
yeah i'm lvl 11 so that'll be a while

[floral talon]

depends on qualituy up and ur lv to but im sure star seed+ quality up is always starred

[neat vortex]

On my alt, I didn't find this to be quite 100 percent at very low levels (<10), but it was much improved

[floral talon]

interesting

[neat vortex]

They used qualityup pretty consistently, plus the Bullseye layout at first (until they got apple seeds at level 10) and still ended up with a fair chunk of unstarred stuff

So that formula probably needs a little tweaking

...although there is the fact that you can't access starred seeds (mostly) now until you unlock the seed collector at level 5

I understand why they made that change, kind of? But god that rankled XD

It was so irritating to have to go keep buying seeds

(and also to have to hold onto ALL of my crops until I got to level 5... though the MUCH cheaper soil plots made that a lot less painful.)

[floral talon]

restarting with gardening must be od then cuz u need to take awhile put in monye before it can make any

[neat vortex]

Yeah, pretty much

I didn't want to sell raw crops lol

[floral talon]

it feels so illegal to do so

[uneven stump]

so i set up a farm with 100% self watering .. and i assumed it would mean it grows by itself every hour ? but now i been sleeping for 8 hours and it dosent seem to have progressed 8 ''days'' ... how do it work ? xD

it only grows when u been online within that 1 hour ? or is it triggered by me visiting my plot within the hour ?

[clear kindle]

your garden only grows while you are online. when offline, it grows on stage then stops

and you can be anywhere, as long as you are in the game for it to grow

[uneven stump]

do i have to be online 0:15 every hour then ? or can i be online half past an hour and log off before the grow tic ?

[neat vortex]

If you are online at half-past the hour and then log off at xx:40, it will

1. complete the in-progress growth period from your last session when you log in
2. start a new growth period that will complete the next time you log in.

If you log in at, say, 10 minutes past the hour, stay online through xx:15, and then log off at xx:20, it will

1. complete the in-progress growth period from your last session when you log in
2. start a new growth period
3. finish the new growth period at the growth tick (xx:15) AND
4. start a second new growth period that will complete the next time you log in

In other words, if your online period straddles the growth tick at xx:15, you get 2 completed growth periods for the same 10 minutes of online time.

lol sorry I'm really tired and that took multiple edits to make it make even a little bit of sense...

(Obviously, if you are online for 10 minutes 3 times in the same hour, it's not going to count for multiple growth ticks...)

[uneven stump]

Ty for the very good explanation 🥰

[floral talon]

palian times 0600 growthtick (when you are online and one time after)
varies to your xminute of the hour depending on your timezone though

[runic plank]

Hello guys ! Do the party XP sharing work on gardening too please ?

[neat vortex]

Excellent point - if your timezone is on a partial-hour offset from UTC, it won't be at xx:15 for you

[neat vortex]

Like to count toward the accomplishment set for the growable furniture?

[runic plank]

...huh ???
No I'm talking about the Veggies@neat vortex

[neat vortex]

What XP sharing are you referring to?

[runic plank]

When you are in a party each member get XP from the activity that they do right ? It is the same when you you are at home and collect vegetables ?@neat vortex

[neat vortex]

No, the party buff only gives you:

• shared loot for your party member's loot-based activities: hunting, bug catching, tree chopping, mining
• a chance for double loot for those skills, plus fishing and picking forageables
  It does not affect XP gain at all, other than the fact that (obviously) if your party member does something that drops loot for you, you will also gain the XP from picking up the loot. (The double loot drops still give the regular amount of XP.)

The only other way that the party buff is related to XP is that XP you earn while within 35 meters of a party member (from any skill, including cooking, so I assume also from gardening) counts toward the series of accomplishments that award the Grow All Out furniture set.

It won't help you level your gardening faster if you hang out with your friend while they harvest their crops, sadly....

[runic plank]

oOoOOh I see thx !

[runic plank]

One last thing
If I have understood correctly
If for example there is a item that I am Looking for particularly and desperately
And my teammates got it will I have it too ?

[floral talon]

u collect the same loot if u both get the same bug/animal shot down for example or tree chopped
u need to be within 30m of ur party member to let ur teammates work count for u

[runic plank]

So it cannot work with the fishing activity ?

[floral talon]

nope

or foraging outside of trees but with trees someone else just chop ur tree for you wiht mining its abit weird

[runic plank]

Hm...too bad...
Thx for the info

[neat vortex]

Weird how? Mining has had identical loot for everyone who participates in a node breaking (i.e., the loot bag that appears at the same time for everyone who tapped the node before it broke in that specific instance - if someone breaks the node, then someone else who wasn't close enough to get party loot runs up and breaks it a second time while it's a ghost for the first person, then that's a new loot roll and will have different stuff.)

[south notch]

hmm... i like my layout right now, but i'll need to re-jig it when elderwood comes out and i've gotten the Weeding achievement lol... it's hard trying to get all the crops in AND get 100% water AND get a better weed block score tho.

[runic plank]

Good morning
Excuse me
What "WIP" mean please ?

[neat vortex]

It means "work in progress"

[neat vortex]

I wouldn't dare steal the fun of reworking a layout from you, but in case you're looking to keep something sorta similar, there's this silliness I came up with once when modifying the bullseye layout?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkWRORT-BkTP.HRCrTPOC-O.HBk.HCb.HSp.HSp.HP.HSp.HSp.HO.H-TRCPCrOBk.HTP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TPBk.HOCrTCRP-OB.HB.HPB.HB.HCb.HBkO-COTTCrRP.HTBk-PRORWBkOPCb.H

You could probably cram cotton in there somewhere if you tried really hard, but if you're closing in on the last weed whacker accomplishment, you're probably well past benefiting from its buff. I'd honestly suggest planting something else (cash crop) and just buying your fabric.

iirc bok choy produces more fabric per tile per growth tick than planting cotton does

[floral talon]

Wait so if i break it then a party member runs over who used to be far away and breaks it to i get loot twice from that rock or only once

[stuck carbon]

@floral talon I think only once. Now if you break it at the Sametime I know there's double the loot.

[south notch]

@neat vortex oh neat, thanks! def a layout to keep in mind~

[floral talon]

Yeay but thats one loot per person

[stuck carbon]

Ahh

[neat vortex]

Only once, because for you it is gone

[neat vortex]

there is a chance for double loot (green glowy effect)

[floral talon]

ok i now understand how it works with mining in every scenario back to making htis a gardening channel XD

[runic plank]

Where did you get that please ?

[south notch]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
it's pinned here in the channel! I just plugged in my current plots and adjusted them as I needed lol

[runic plank]

@south notch how do that's work exactly ?

[mint sandal]

My current layout is 100% water retain/weedblock and has everything but cotton, though you can easily replace some of the rice and use cotton instead. It's rice heavy but you can of course substitute some of it with corn and wheat for a better balance if you want.
#🌱│gardening message

[runic plank]

Do the placement really matter ???

[mint sandal]

Yes, placement matters if you care about the buffs crops give

[south notch]

thank you!! not me just collecting a ton of possible layouts lmao

[south notch]

try reading thru the guide pinned here!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit?tab=t.0

[subtle ermine]

I accidentally bought the gardening guild plaque thing again....UGH!!!!

[floral talon]

Poor thing u really want a bunch of wells but this only sets u back one week of medal farming

[subtle ermine]

I know. It just sucks lol

[rigid locust]

Please explain. I've been trying to get those wells foreverrrr.

[floral talon]

well to get the well we might aswell do weekly challenges that will unlock well past lv9(lv10 to be exact) which gives u 100medals per week
and you might aswell farm abit throughout the week getting u 10 medals per level
i hope you can say i have done well at asnwering ur question

[robust lance]

Me with level 4 gardening and everything else above or close to 10

[elder atlas]

does anyone have best layout to earn most coins? like what is the best thing to garden to get most coins out of it

[digital onyx]

Hi what is the best to plant to get gold?

[clear kindle]

@elder atlas honestly, the best layout is the layout you can easily keep up with. it all depends on your play style and what you want your garden to do for you. how often are you playing the game?are you growing for focus foods? find out what crops are needed and works with those. are you growing for cooking parties? again focus on those.

hang it, didn't mean to post so early.

any layout can make money, it's just what you are willing to do and how you play that will affect the outcome of it

[neat vortex]

well then.

[neat vortex]

cc @digital onyx
Exactly what @clear kindle said, but also, have a look at this list of layouts and see if any of them speak to your playstyle/general needs:
#🌱│gardening message

And also a general explainer here, which goes into the different crop options: #🌱│gardening message

Plus this analysis if you like to have the numbers: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

Keep in mind that this is all for SOLO PROCESSING and doesn't take into account the uses of the different crops in for-profit cooking parties — which will almost always earn you more gold per crop than processing them in crafters, at the cost of it being active labor.

[compact kettle]

how is crop growth affected by online vs offline time?

doe they even grow while offline?

[fallow plaza]

I think so!

[clear kindle]

they only grow one stage while offline, then stop growing

[neat vortex]

Ooh shiny, could you share the planner link, please? ("Save" button)

[surreal isle]

1 sec

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HBkRTCWRBkP-PBkRTCWRBkP-PBkR.HpTCWRBkP-WBkTPCRTBkW-WBkTPCRTBkW-WBkTPCRTBkW-RBkPWCTP.HpBkR.H-RBkPWCTP.HpBkR.H-RBkPWCTP.HpBkR.H

[neat vortex]

I really like the easy pattern of this, with the three rows of identical plots

[surreal isle]

And easy to maintain

[neat vortex]

Yes, other than bought-only fertilizer being a pain in the neck (at least, I find it a pain)

But this is a great option for the folks who don't mind it

[past hare]

i have a bunch of starred tomato and idk how to make more money with it than sell it? prosssing it wont budge the price. tips?

[clear kindle]

processing any crop will get more gold than selling raw crops.

[past hare]

not with starred?

starred apple 96, apple jam 96 and it take a hour

[clear kindle]

make sure that you are comparing starred crop with starred process and not normal. star apple jam is 144g

[past hare]

i havent got starred jams useing starred crops??

[clear kindle]

star tomatoes are 34g, star tomato seeds are 60g

preserved star tomatoes are 51g

[neat vortex]

Starred crops always produce starred seeds/preserves, with occasional bonus unstarred ones - it won't say it while they're processing, but they come out star quality

If they AREN'T then either something is wrong or perhaps they're putting you through a particularly cruel A/B test lol

[static epoch]

What do I plant to make money?

[visual hearth]

tomato

[neat vortex]

scroll up just a bit: #🌱│gardening message

[stray stump]

Where do I get pumpkin seeds?

I hate how we have to search for new stuff. I’ve been playing for over a year and never got that 😞

😞 thanks for telling me so didn’t have to do much searching

[warm heath]

what's the maximum capacity of a seeder and preserve jar?

[thorn oxide]

I don't know where Paliapedia gets that info from
But I have maxed all relationships and have finished all quets and storylines but never saw a ||magic skill or potion store.

Maybe that Potion Store was only during Halloween available?

I can't find anything on palia wiki about pumpkin seeds or a potion shop/potion store or magic skill
not even on the Halloween event||

[clear kindle]

can't unlock something that's not in the game yet. pumpkin seeds will become available after the elderwood update

[thorn oxide]

oh yeah elderwood update might be a thing then yes

[regal current]

absolutely could be a thing and hope it is lol

[thorn oxide]

do you mean how many maximum you can have on your plot or how much they can produce?

[clear kindle]

if it's how many items it can hold, it can hold 1 full stack of the raw crop up at the top, 2 full stacks of processed items, plus 1 in the third slot

[floral talon]

Thers a potion store now ?? And a magic dkill ??

[clear kindle]

probably in elderwoods

[floral talon]

Oh he was talking next update talk about spoilering

[neat vortex]

That site is a fantastic resource, but because of how it gets its info, be careful of spoilers and incorrect/incomplete info. Pumpkins aren't in the game YET, they are just showing on the seed collector by accident...

In the meanwhile, you may want to delete this message or at least hide it in spoiler tags :)

[warm heath]

how many veggies can I put in a seeder before it goes red and won't make any more seeds? same question for preserve jar.

[thorn oxide]

it can either hold 2 full stacks (30) and then one more process if all is either starred or non-starred

The best case it could have 3 fulls stacks with each 30 seeds/jars if one of the stacks was different from the other two. But not gonna lie, that won't really happen that often.
It's more likely you cap at 2 full stacks and then it stops in case it produces seeds/jars that couldn't be stacked in one last lost

[neat vortex]

The output bins for preserves jars and seeders stall at 61 items produced, because there is a small chance for the process to produce a bonus unstarred item.

For seeders, this means that the number of items that can be processed will vary by the ratio of input (vegetable/fruit) to output (seeds). For the normal 1:4 ratio, it's 16 items before it stalls.
For napa (1:6), it's... 10? 11?
For tomatoes (3:2), by the time it processes a full hopper of 33 tomatoes (one processing + 30 in queue), it's only made 22 seeds plus any bonus seeds, so it won't stall at all.

For preserves jars, which always have 1:1 ratios, they will run through the full hopper of 33 items without stalling.

(All of the above assumes you start with an empty output bin, of course.)

so yeah what Naicul said lol

[stable ginkgo]

Pumpkin seeds are currently unavailable to get. It was shown in the Elderwood trailer so we should be getting them on May 13th.

The only pumpkins from the fall events are the decor ones you can place. No game play mechanics use them.

[pulsar haven]

i tried figuring itt out by my self but im trying to do some extra farming

what can i swap with wheat, corn, tomato, and potato? like i want to make extra onions and rice would i swap wheat with rice to maintain the boost?

[neat vortex]

Yep, rice would sub in where you are currently planting wheat (or corn). All of the grains give the harvest boost buff.

If you need onions, those could be substituted for anywhere you are planting bok choy or carrots, the weed prevention crops.

[pulsar haven]

what can i swap w tomato / potato

[floral talon]

they both water retain and only other water retain plant is cabbage

[pulsar haven]

is there one that maximizes rice, onions, and apples?

[floral talon]

yes

[pulsar haven]

do u have it by chance or is it in the wiki

[floral talon]

idk to busy to check

[pulsar haven]

okaur no worries tysm :3

[neat vortex]

How many apple trees do you need?

[floral talon]

and do u need water retain on it

[cerulean plover]

can anyone help me with a set up that maximizes quality with only 1x blueberry bush and 1x chili plant? dont really care what the rest are (maybe heavy on potatoes) but i havent unlocked apple trees yet!

im willing to use any fertilizers i have to aswell:3

[pulsar haven]

preferably but its not a need :/

[pulsar haven]

prefer 4 or 5 but i really dont know building so idk if thats even possible-- the max that u can think if anything

[neat vortex]

In that case, the diamond layout DuhScape sent is pretty much what you're looking for, shiro.

Here's a variant with rice, though obviously you can swap around any of the same-buff single tile crops as you need:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HORPT.HPROBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkOR.HPT.HPROBk-AAAAAAAAA-TORPBk.HPROT-AAAAAAAAA-TORPBk.HPR.HOT-AAAAAAAAA-BkPROT.HORPBk.H

actually hang on

Edited that link to emphasize onions like you'd asked :)

You CAN do 5 apples, but you lose the harvest boost buff on them and would have to use fertilizer

[neat vortex]

For quality: are you willing to use fertilizer oops sorry you answered that but

• what level gardening are you?

[neat vortex]

Here's my best stab at it:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HT.QP.QBk.QB.QB.QP.QB.QB.Q-O.HT.QR.QBk.QP.HBk.QR.QT.QO.Q-Cr.QO.QT.HP.QBk.HP.QT.HO.QCr.Q-T.HP.QR.QBk.QO.HBk.QR.QP.QT.Q-T.QP.QCr.HO.QBk.HO.QCr.HP.QT.Q-T.QP.QR.QBk.QO.HBk.QR.HP.QT.H-Cr.QO.QT.HP.QBk.HP.QT.HO.QCr.Q-O.QT.QR.HBk.QP.HBkR.QT.QO.H-Sp.QSp.QP.HSp.QSp.QBk.HP.HT.HO.H

And here's the version that shows only where the HB fertilizer goes:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HTPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkP.HBkRTO-CrOT.HPBk.HPT.HOCr-T.HPRBkO.HBkRPT-TPCr.HOBk.HOCr.HPT-TPRBkO.HBkR.HPT.H-CrOT.HPBk.HPT.HOCr-OTR.HBkP.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HT.HO.H
...then you just put QU on everything that isn't HB fertilized.

And THEN, once you unlock apples, it becomes this very easily:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HTPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkP.HBkRTO-CrOT.HPBk.HPT.HOCr-T.HPRBkO.HBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkO.HBkRPT.H-CrOT.HPBk.HPT.HOCr-OTRBkP.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HT.HO.H

There is also the OPTION to make some or all of the grain tiles into cotton -- BUT since they changed the recipe for fabric to require 2 cotton each instead of 1, it now (in my estimation) makes more sense to plant cash crops and simply buy your fabric.

The harvest boost buffs and the grains themselves are much more effective for making gold than the QU buff, especially since by level 6 your star chance using all star seeds is already above 50%.

and to GET that much QU fertilizer... I recommend signing up for a cake party and feeding the cakes to a couple glow worm farms. Otherwise, you'll need to craft it.

[cerulean plover]

let me check for you, sorry—

[cerulean plover]

looks perfect, thank you very much! cheap too
i am level 8 currently and actually do have a lot of fertilizers in stock, been saving up and immediately refill when theyre done being crafted.
do the cakes produce more fert, and thats why youre suggesting?
i also dont have the recipe for cake parties quite yet, so i’m not sure if id be allowed to sign up for them?

[neat vortex]

You do not need the recipe to sign up for a cake party! and yes, cakes are sweet and high value, so they produce QualityUp fertilizer and in large quantities

[spark cedar]

Hi guys is there an ideal farm plot layout for crops to get most buffs? and also make decent consistent money? :) ideally at least 1 of each crop as I like collecting all of them!

I know theres a garden planner, anyone got some good ones I could copy?

[neat vortex]

"Ideal" is really going to depend on you and your playstyle/what your specific needs are, but maybe try this one on for size - the All the Everything cooking garden.
Cotton can be subbed in for any grain crop that isn't touching an apple tree or bush, but I recommend growing cash crops and buying your fabric instead.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOW-OCbTBBBkBBO-R.HBkT.HPC.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-CrOTPC.HPTOCr-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPC.HPT.HBkR.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTCb.HO.H-WOBkPT.HPBk.HOW.H

[neat vortex]

And here's a version with more cash crops and fewer trees/bushes:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HCbPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkCb.HBkRTO-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-T.HPWBkO.HBkWPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPWBkO.HBkWPT.H-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-OTRBkCb.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HCb.HC.H

[floral talon]

Note to self make a proper newbe guide

[spark cedar]

Thanks so much! 😊

[silent otter]

i'm hoping to find an afk layout that's good for just leveling up gardening as fast as possible really
i have all the crops, haven't really been decisive at all with which crops am wanting to focus on for cooking parties

but planting for quality boosts is a pain, so it'd be great to just push to lvl 25 and not have to worry about that and get all star

(i think it's lvl 25 where you get all star?)
is there any kind of google doc or spreadsheet with a bunch of layouts compiled?

[uneven stump]

its level 25 u get only starred if u use starred seeds 😄 level 50 u get starred even with non starred seeds 🙂 ❤️

[neat vortex]

Here's a guide on leveling gardening: #🌱│gardening message

TL;DR all crops give the same amount of XP per tile per growth tick, so choose a layout that you can be consistent with and that meets your needs otherwise

[neat vortex]

If you don't know what you want to grow for cooking parties yet, this one is flexible enough to let you grow all the things:
#🌱│gardening message

Alternatively, the diamond layout (4 apples AFK style) is good if you tend to spend a lot of time out of the house, since your apples will just keep chugging: #🌱│gardening message

Or, if you want to dump QualityUp fert on almost everything, there's Astrea's Cross Layout: #🌱│gardening message

(as a bonus, the cross layout produces mass amounts of grains, which are used a LOT for cooking, both for profit and for focus)

[floral talon]

Or just tryhard grow all the cotton ul ever need till 25 can work to xd

[slow flame]

I may just be dumb, but how do I add more dirt spots for crop plots

[manic meteor]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Soil#Costs

[slow flame]

Ah okay. Thanks!

[golden yacht]

Hi everyone! I hope you are all doing great!

I'm trying to min-max my garden with as little maintenance upkeep as possible while using only tomatoes and potatoes.

I find it odd though that this is the best (most profit) that I can achieve: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HP.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.H-P.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.HP.H

The weird thing is that in order to get to that profit level, I must plant no less but also no more than 3 tomato plants anywhere except on any outside row. Any ideas as to why adding more or less tomatoes lowers the profit amount rather than increases it?

Also, if you know of an even better pattern/method to get even more profit from gardening (again with no more additional maintenance), please let me know. Thank you!

[floral talon]

u chose a weird amountof days probs also potato to seeds should be more coins then tomatoes per day but yeay ur wasting like 400 coins per day on fert XD
and oh the crafter time

[floral talon]

u want harvest boost and water retain at minimum
and a not complicated pattern as that increases work
no fert is less work to

[golden yacht]

I can't buy harvest boost fert, I have to make it with worm/gloworm farms, right?

[floral talon]

yes but u can sell it for 5 coins each

[golden yacht]

This pattern is 100% maintenance free and quite profitable

Swapping out all of the weed prevention fert for harvest boost fert trades off maintenance free for another $8,000

[stable ginkgo]

For this situation if you’re going to have 3/9 tiles buff plant and only two crops. It would be even more efficient to do rows instead of split all over the place

[neat vortex]

Yeah, what Aqajj said - your layout with 3 spread-out tomatoes per soil plot is functionally identical to this one, which is much easier to plant xD
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H

Here is another variant:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H-P.HT.HP.HBk.HC.HBk.HP.HT.HP.H
because bok choy is shockingly profitable, especially processed as seeds

(you could also use onion instead of carrot and use the pickled onions as worm farm fodder, if you want it to be more self-sufficient, but at 81 HB fert per hour, you'd need so many worm farms... idk, maybe you could manage it with grilled fish or poke from poke parties or something)

Anyway, you're thinking about it, and that's awesome! Keep noodling, you're on the right track :D

[golden yacht]

I LOVE YOU MAN!! Too soon? ❤️‍🔥

[floral talon]

I actually recommend waterretain and harvestboost plants then buy tons of weedblock xd cuz weedblock plants need way more replating

[golden yacht]

Wait, some plants actually have harvest boost?

[neat vortex]

Yeah, all the grain crops, plus apples and blueberries

[golden yacht]

Yeah, I'm definitely wanting to prioritize the least amount of work/maintenance or profit.

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you?

[golden yacht]

18

[neat vortex]

Do you like cooking/want to join cooking parties for profit, or just want to garden?

[golden yacht]

This is genius, except what's the best (easiest) way to keep up with making that much harvestboost? I've just been using my extra left over star quality veggies, but I could do picked fish or whatever yields the most fert.

[golden yacht]

Not mad at cooking, but not really into it either. How do parties work?

[neat vortex]

Usually, they work by everyone signing up for one task/ingredient to handle, so you split up the work and the costs. It goes much faster and is obviously cheaper. For some recipes, like poke, you can use more expensive ingredients (epic fish) and the dish sell value can be pretty high

[neat vortex]

There's a Fertilizer Outcomes spreadsheet linked in the pins, but the short version is that the amount of stuff you get out of the worm farms scales with the sell value of what you put in. Because of rounding and stuff, some input values produce more value than you put in, sometimes by a lot.

Your starred veggies are almost certainly better processed into preserves or (for bok choy, potatoes, and anything that can't be jarred) seeds.

Unstarred tomatoes and carrots can go in a glow worm farm just fine, though.

@golden yacht These links may be of interest also:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

Keep in mind that processing time is also a factor, but that has a lot to do with your playtime to idle time ratio

[golden yacht]

I'm retired so I "can" get on whenever, but I don't want to be "strapped" to the game every 30/60/120 minutes. Ya know?

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I hear you. Companion planting can take that waaay down. Apples may be a good fit for you, too.

Have a look at the Apple Diamond layout and let me know what you think: #🌱│gardening message

[golden yacht]

Gotta be honest, I do love the way you get 100% no maintenance out of those configs!

[golden yacht]

Man, my brain hurts! I think this is my winner: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-O.HCbPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkCb.HBkRTO-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-T.HPRBkO.HBkRPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPRBkO.HBkRPT.H-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-OTRBkCb.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HCb.HO.H

It's a pain to plant but it's 100% maintenance free, only needs 20 harvestboost ferts and a great $$ maker.

[surreal isle]

Try this for max profit, easiest to maintain,

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HBkRTCWRBkP-PBkRTCWRBkP-PBkR.HpTCWRBkP-WBkTPCRTBkW-WBkTPCRTBkW-WBkTPCRTBkW-RBkPWCTP.HpBkR.H-RBkPWCTP.HpBkR.H-RBkPWCTP.HpBkR.H

[prisma vale]

Personally I do this. The different crops makes me happy in a way I can't explain XD
I've had to max out of crafting licensed though to keep up

It's a variant on this. I just took the cotton out and put wheat in since I don't need cotton anymore for anything

[neat vortex]

Do you have a planner link for this one?

[neat vortex]

Oh yeah, the All the Everything (less fruit version) :)

[neat vortex]

It's decent for money, but is more intended as an everything garden. To optimize it a little bit, plant blueberries instead of peppers (once you are stocked up on peppers, anyway) and sub in either tomato or potato for the napa cabbage. Peppers and napa are strictly utility crops for cooking.

Blueberries are honestly also pretty terrible as a cash crop unless you're hosting cake parties, but they're not as bad as peppers, since they at least buff their neighbors more usefully.

At level 18 gardening, you also benefit from using QualityUp fertilizer on any plant that already has water/weed/harvest boost from companion planting. But, personally, I would NOT quality boost your fruit and peppers. It is impossible to obtain non-starred ones after level 38 or so, and sometimes you need them to fill requests, handle cooking oopsies when someone forgets to check "use starred," etc.

[prisma vale]

Didn't make one, but I can go find the one I referenced

v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPBkPBBBkBB-CRCPTPBkPCo-BkPTBBPBBBk-CPCoRTPCPBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkPCPTRCoPC-BkBBPBBTPBk-RRRPTPCRC-BBBkBBPBkPT

[golden yacht]

Oh snap, I didn't even realize that I could change what I do with the crops! That changes everything.

[golden yacht]

Is there a limit on the amount of crafters I can have at a time?

[versed harbor]

Yes but you can increase it by purchasing crafting licenses in the town hall. I believe the max is 30

[calm iron]

is it very profitable to just have all apple trees?

i usually process them into jam but idk if its efficient given the time needed

[prisma vale]

It's not bad presuming you have gardening lvl 25 for 100% on starred crops

I further used harvest boost fertilizer to give you more apples btw

The code if you wanna see it ig
v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H

[calm iron]

is it 111,456 or a decimal?

[prisma vale]

111,456 😄

[calm iron]

thanks!!

[floral talon]

U can select just give link in the planner so its clickable xd

[prisma vale]

Oh. XD

[neat vortex]

They are middling revenue per tile per tick
citation: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

The way I reckon it, processing your crops is always worth it as it proceeds passively while you are offline - like printing money in your sleep

but some people like to use their crafter slots as extra materials storage instead, if they don't need to make gold anymore

Apple jam "prints money" at a rate of about 37.9g/hour, and will run for 30 hours without needing intervention

not to mention it makes your apples worth 144g each instead of 96

[neat vortex]

However, I'd also say that if you have ALL apple trees, you're missing out on the major benefit of what makes apple trees useful, which is that, if buffed, they will grow unattended for long periods. (Though, they still take less replanting labor than other crops.)

So, as always, it depends on you and what tradeoffs you prefer :)

But there are 4 and 5 apple layouts that are self-watering, self-weeding

(the 4-apple layout also harvest boosts the apple trees and most of the other crops without fertilizer)

[floral talon]

I cant wait
For elderwoods new crops days away soon hype intensifies

[neat vortex]

Gonna be a shakeup in here for sure :)

be hilarious if pumpkins were super profitable... you might get your wish for a no-buff profit crop, DS

[floral talon]

If it gets us 2x2 weedblock or water retsin it be super awesome to

[mighty horizon]

does harvest boost fertilizer stack?

*on crops?

because i re-planted some blueberries and got 20 fertilizer back, i noticed that i could continually click on a plot of peppers/blueberries and it would stack fertilizer continuously, is this a bug or feature?

[clear kindle]

you can stack 99 of a single fertilizer on a crop

[mighty horizon]

whoa, does it increase output?

because i have a couple hundered stacks of harvestboost that i could be using

[clear kindle]

no, same amount of output, just helps with how often you need to go back to your plot to place said fert. just remember the more the crop takes up space the more fert it requires every growth tic (1 space crops take 1, 2x2 crops take 4, and apples take 9)

[mighty horizon]

aw darn, here i thought i was about to be swimming in apples

[clear kindle]

also remember that crops that give the same buff as the fertilizer will take priority over the fertilizer. so a crop that receives harvest boost from either apples or blueberries will not need the fertilizer on it

[mighty horizon]

noted

[floral talon]

Glory to the fire evee

[zealous edge]

guys, I need your expert help here rq

Why does it sometimes say I have both quality boost and harvest boost on crops?
and... can I use more than one type of fertilizer on an apple tree?

google is of no help btw

[silent otter]

does the growhouse really grow crops? O.O

[silent otter]

different crops give different boosts
need 3 of the same kind of boost crop for apples
just 1 type fertilizer per thing but you can apply different one and get back the previous one you had on it
and can slap a bunch on at once for multiple days

[zealous edge]

I know the last 2 sentences, thank you so much !! 💜
but the second sentence you said,,, So different veggies give different boosts, even when it comes to quality and amount of crop harvest?

[zealous edge]

forgot to ping woopsie,,

[silent otter]

this will help explain better than i can, and folks have posted in this server too with different layouts that you can try out
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[zealous edge]

Thank you !! Here's what I was planning and oh my goodness
It'll be profitable for sure !! (I need the cotton for fabric, I'm running low lmao)

[silent otter]

awesome! also, crops don't give boosts to the same kind, so if you have 2 potatoes by each other they won't give their own boosts... idk how to word that well

[zealous edge]

Thats ok! But thank you :]

[zealous edge]

I'm actually following this person's layout but i wanted the apple tree and cotton lmao

[neat vortex]

You could probably weave some of the cotton through the rest of the layout :)

Have you considered Astrea's Cross Layout or the Bullseye?

[silent otter]

is the growhouse functional to grow things? or is it just aesthetic?

[neat vortex]

Just aesthetic. The well is functional, though!

The well and the hunting practice targets are the only guild furnishings that have functions

[zealous edge]

I had bullseye before this! But I got sick of it bc I couldnt learn it by heart gjdkfjdbf

[zealous edge]

Yeah I suspect i could put cotton along some borders or edges :]

[silent otter]

thank you so much, i've had an impossible time finding info

[zealous edge]

So this layout gives less money and is less simple to plan out, but it protects the tree in every way. I'll try it out! The tree is what takes the longest to grow and therefor needs maintenance even when I'm offline.

Edit: of course I forgot to attach a picture...

This !!

I don't need the onion for much, but I need it right now to protect the tree. And as you can see, most of it has weed protection regardless, besides the cotton and the bok choy, but tbh I don't mind fhgkhgh
a little bit of maintenance is just fun :]

there probably is a better way to do it but my brain do's't'n't have capability as of now

("doesn't" yes, i was just ironically shakespearing it up LMAO)

I just realized I mostly want that layout because when i first planted the tree I didn't have any particular layout in mind, so I planted it just all willy nilly... so it's actually one to the right as it is right now lmao...

So I'm mostly trying to make it grow even when I'm not around so I can get rid of it faster and plant it as it should be planted

[thorn oxide]

you know only one growth tick happens when you go offline until you come back online again?
So even with this layout, the tree won't grow 10 ingame days when you are offline for 10 hours

[zealous edge]

hmm,,

[thorn oxide]

it only saves you work while you are online, that you don't have to take care of it

[zealous edge]

then I guess it's whatever.
I go back every hour I'm online anyway :[

that's unfortunate. Then I'll just do what I originally planned

[thorn oxide]

yeah I wish it would continue to grow every hour while I sleep as long as it's watered and weed free. Sadly that's not the case

[zealous edge]

unfortunate :( thanks for the heads up ! Now I am sad But that saves me a lot of work and mental capacity as the first layout is 100% easier lmao

[thorn oxide]

sorry I had to break the news to you about this after you put effort into making this layout

[neat vortex]

Only if you rubberband your controller XD

( 🤫 )

[zealous edge]

nono dw!! it goes so fast to make I honestly just appreciate it! I may be sad that crops dont grow in my absence, but my original layout keeps my adhd brain from just straight up exploding from the mental capacity needed to think (or worse, remember) about where I place things

[neat vortex]

This may be far outside of your desired parameters, but what do you think of this variation?
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Co.HT.HP.HBk.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HCo-P.HT.HCoBkO.HBk.HRTP-R.HTP.HBkO.HBkP.HTR.H-P.HTRBk.HO.HBkCoT.HP-AAAAAAAAA-PT.HCoBkO.HBk.HRTP.H-R.HTP.HBkO.HBkP.HTR.H-PBkRT.HO.HTCoBk.HP.H-CoT.HP.HBk.HO.HBk.HP.HT.HCo.H

[thorn oxide]

don't throw me back to the time where I rubberbanded my controller and used a toothpick to keep a button pressed in all night for a game when I was like 14? XD

[zealous edge]

very nice !! But I think my exhausted brain can't deal with learning the patterns 😭

[neat vortex]

No worries then :)

[zealous edge]

as I stated here,, 💀 My brain isn't up for that challenge as of now lmaaooo !!

[thorn oxide]

If you ever want to try out new layouts later:
I went crazy trying to remember mine when I started.
Then I just switched from farming everything at once to farming only one type of crop, replant the empty spots immediately. Then switch to the next crop, harvest and replant in one go.

That way you only have to plant the entire pattern once and don't have to remember it every time you have to replant

[zealous edge]

yeaas,, I have kinda done that as well ! I've tried many different ones to try to find one for my personal taste and needs, but I seem to be struggling a bit, due to my brainfog and stuff :') However, I appreciate all your help guys I think borrowing your idea + adding some personal wants to it will work for now! in the future I'll definitely try other ones :]

[thorn oxide]

Hope you find something that works for you and pleases the brain

[neat vortex]

In case it's of use to anybody else, here's a breakdown of this one:

• Green block on outside corners: grain OR cotton top left/bottom right
• Blue block on 3 sides: grain/cotton top right/bottom left (cotton on the outside edge)
• Purple block on 4th side: it's just blue block with top-bottom and left-right crops swapped
  HarvestBoost fertilizer anywhere that doesn't get the boost from rice or apples

Even easier if you're not trying to grow cotton and sub in a second grain instead (uses much less HB fertilizer) -- though in that case you're probably better off with Astrea Moreno's Cross Layout, anyway ( #🌱│gardening message )

[zealous edge]

so,, is it always more profitable to seed everything? or is there anything that sells more per time and crop or maybe jar?

[graceful meteor]

each stall from goofy selling 99x seeds of each crop and jar you can't make only cook them at a cooking station

[zealous edge]

wait what...
the jars I mean by pickling them

[graceful meteor]

oh nevermind than i'm only getting confused

[zealous edge]

thats ok happens to the best of us ! And I'm the worst of us

[graceful meteor]

which jar do you mean to pick up than? to avoid confusement

[thorn oxide]

from what I learned here: Almost everything you can pickle is more profitable than making seeds. Except Bok Choy and Potato apparently.

In the long run apple jam seems to be pretty profitable, but yeah it takes a while.
The real money lies in cooking parties.
I think I raked the most gold in with an epic fish sushi party where I only brought the rice.
Rice can also be used in Sashimi parties for money or for Spicy Crab Fried Rice for focus food parties

So while rice alone as seeds is meh, the cooking is really good to get rich fast

[zealous edge]

I was thinking if some crops are more worth selling as pickled or if seeds are always better to sell :]

[zealous edge]

hmm interesting!
Though my pc seems to be getting too old, I can't apparently flip stuff in the pan because input lag >:( But everything else is apparently fine lmaaoo

[graceful meteor]

don't sell your crops you might need them for other quests and when you leveling up in cooking for reth

[zealous edge]

is bok choy and potatoes better as seeds then? and not as crops? (just asking to be sure lmao)

[zealous edge]

ofc ofc! I love to cook and so I always make sure to have like 10 of each left thank you for the heads up !!

[thorn oxide]

I bet it's not your PC, but the way the minigame of flipping is designed to function is not very intuative.

A lot of people struggle with this, because we start the minigame and click, when we reach the circle

But it doesn't work like that
You have to keep the left mouse button pressed and release it when it reaches the circle

[thorn oxide]

seeds and pickled items are always better than crops alone

[zealous edge]

omg what... that explains so much 😭 thank you !!

[thorn oxide]

I know right?
I went through multiple ruined recipes, before realising how weird this minigame is programmed

[graceful meteor]

you're welcome and i'm a real life salad chef and a pro helper in the kitchen with my mom/mother

[zealous edge]

thank you for the confirmation ! I might need to get more seeders (i only have 4)

[neat vortex]

That's correct.

If it can only be seeds: sell as seeds
Bok choy and potatoes: also seeds
Everything else: jar it

Math: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

[zealous edge]

that's so cool !!

[neat vortex]

Processing improves value in almost all cases. The exceptions are cotton into fabric (loses money BADLY now because fabric now needs 2 cotton each) and some sell values of items fed to glow worms (can lose up to 5g value due to rounding)

[thorn oxide]

from my 30 crafters you can have maximum, I almost always have ~10 seeders and ~10 preserve jars

[graceful meteor]

i'm making tasty salads that tasts very delicius

[neat vortex]

It is just a matter of whether it's worth the time taking up a crafter slot that could be doing something else

[zealous edge]

like I'd hella sell the cotton straight off if it wasn't because I need the fabric >:(

maybe I'll just start buying fabric lmaaoo

[neat vortex]

me personally, I grow cash crops and buy the dang fabric XD

[thorn oxide]

when you don't need to produce fabric anymore, make cotton seeds

[neat vortex]

bok choy grows more fabric per tile per growth tick than cotton does

[thorn oxide]

oh wait really?

[zealous edge]

guhdam... I had no idea !!

[neat vortex]

I think potatoes and tomatoes might beat it, too

[zealous edge]

I'll just sell the freaking cotton then

[neat vortex]

I mean, if you are already growing it And you need the fabric ...

[thorn oxide]

guess I have to swap out my increased number of cotton plants then
I used a layout that has a bit of everything and replaced 4x wheat, 1 bok choy and 1 onion with cotton for my increased demand.

Also: I think it may be capped at once per rl day, but romancing Jel alone for 3 fabric that he gifts you daily

[neat vortex]

XD

[zealous edge]

because I placed the tree all willy nilly before i had the layout, the cotton slots are only 6 rn ! and I have a few fabrics :] I have 70k, i can spend a few dimes on fabric... 💀

[thorn oxide]

I mean, who says no to free daily fabric?
Or a free daily meal from Reth, Nai'o and Hodari?

[neat vortex]

Fabric bok choy math: #🌱│gardening message

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/
^ these are without HB

Yeah tomatoes are 61.5 g per tile per tick, vs cotton-so-you-don't-buy-fabric at 57

[thorn oxide]

okay you already used the price you have to pay for buying the fabric from the Material Store at Tish's shop.
Just had to check that real quick

[neat vortex]

Yep

though cotton usually also goes in a grain slot

which means you end up not only not getting the grain itself but also losing the HB buff on adjacent crops (or needing to use fertilizer instead)

so planting cotton loses 7g per tile per tick plus 5g per tile per tick on adjacent tiles (vs growing rice)

not counting the possibility of using rice for sashimi parties for profit ofc

but the math gets wacky quick if you start considering cooking opportunity costs :P

[thorn oxide]

I think the layout I use from someone else is pretty good for my playstyle. Both in how much work I have to put into my garden as well as giving me plenty of rice for cooking parties.

It was just the cotton thing that threw me out of the loop now, since I need a lot of fabric

[neat vortex]

(all this assumes you don't benefit much from the QU buff, which is true past gardening 10 or so, when HB makes a much bigger difference)

[neat vortex]

For furniture, or?

[thorn oxide]

yep. I'm doing one of those what people call "Ikea plot"

I already decided to do more cooking and then buy a lot of the Dragontide and Bellflower furniture from Tish instead of running around to mine the palium in Bahari

[neat vortex]

Yeah, lol, there are definitely some items I always buy in the shop when I see them - mostly lamps and things needing ceramic and glass

and those moonstruck ones that need palium ore of all things

[thorn oxide]

oh yeah right Dragontide, Bellflower and Moonstruck are the ones

I reserve my grinded palium for Emberborn, since you can only craft these

[neat vortex]

Yeah, and wedding and curtains lol

Sometimes the cheapest way to pay for things is with money

[thorn oxide]

yeah irl and ingame can be the same sometimes: Money can't buy you happyness. But it often can save you time, leaving room to have time for joyful activities

[neat vortex]

savings in "ugh" payments lol

[zealous edge]

okay, another question (sorry :'))
Does different foods give different amounts of fertilizers from worm farms?

(I know different flavours give different types of fertilizers)

I want harvest boost, so I give them savoury foods. But does for example pickled foods give more fertilizers for less?

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854

star epic grilled fish is probably the best you can get as it gives 368 fertilizer and 73 worms

don't bother putting it in regular worm farms however because it actually overflows the crafter

[zealous edge]

1. Thank you !!
2. What in the actual world.,
3. omfg noted

[clear kindle]

it depends on which epic fish you use, the numbers i gave were for ancient fish, void rays would probably be better (66/333) as you can stay (hopefully) in the underground and fish for them there, last time i played a lot of people would spend time waiting for hotpot to start and would also fish giving boosts to the surrounding players. just make sure that when you grill, you are choosing what to grill, don't let the game choose for you or you could get less as a result

[zealous edge]

thank you for this!

[clear kindle]

welcome, also remember that those numbers are only for starred grilled fish (which is rng), it's less if it's regular, but still a lot

[neat vortex]

If you have extra epic fish lying around, you can also share them via cooking parties :D I would not grill epics or rare glow worm fish, myself, lol

[neat vortex]

If your goal is "more fertilizer for less" then it depends on "less what?"

• more fertilizer per gold input? (cheaper) - then you want to feed them your excess cheap stuff, 11g or 16g, which output 40g or 45g (respectively) of stuff in a glow worm farm. Sernuk or muujin meat unstarred, or oyster meat, morels, or green onion, runs for 30 hours unattended without stalling

• more fertilizer per time? Are you in a serious hurry/can't let farms run overnight? (with 81 fert per tick , you might be!) That scales with input value. Tops out at grilled epic fish, simply because that happens to be the single highest-value wormable item in the game, but there are plenty of more abundant/efficient options depending on your volume needs. Higher input values will stall as soon as the output bin fills

I supplement with pickled onions in a regular worm farm (9 fert/hr, +23g per unit) to make extra profit from excess onions and/or get cheapish fertilizer when I'm not hunting or foraging actively.

But arguably those same onions and epic fish could be taken to a poke party (contribute fish some rounds, onion the rest) and bring me home up to 2,982g each in 994g poke bowls

so again the math gets hilarious once you start taking cooking party opportunity costs into account

grilled common and uncommon glow worm fish also are easy for solo play

[floral talon]

friendly reminder whil egrillilng epic fish for worm food is an awesome meme its kinda aw aste of epic fish gril ur common oones instead

[neat vortex]

(the formula is basically that you get 50 percent of the input value in worms/glow worms, and 50 percent of the input value in the fertilizer, rounded)

but you can't get back half a glow worm, and minimum 3? fertilizer iirc

[static epoch]

Guys, is the land limit too low or is it possible to buy more?

Am I the only one who thinks the amount of soil you can have is too little?

[zealous edge]

It's only 9 patches 😭 i think we all grieve this fact !

So yeah 9 plots (that has 9 slots on it, in itself) is the maximum... freakin sucks but we make do with what we can

[static epoch]

If I ask, wouldn't they put eleven more solos in the next update? It's something the community wants.

There are people who play the game just to build houses and work with crops

I think it's something that needs to be improved in the game.

[manic meteor]

They have left it as 9 thus far to keep the economy balanced in game.
You can suggest it in feedback though like many of us have, they may eventually make a change since so many of us enjoy gardening.
They might just need to do some tweaking to the crop yields or something to keep the economy in balance.

!feedback

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

Looking for where to share your game feedback & suggestions for Palia?

• To share feedback directly with the team: https://palia.info/feedback
• To discuss issues with other players: #🦋│issues-discussions
• To read the latest Dev Updates: https://palia.com/news
• For bug reports, contact: https://support.palia.com

[floral talon]

9 gardening soils is balanced and its fine

what annoys me is that they are 9 times 3x3s grr this makes layout making pointlessly more difficult

[last quail]

Are there any good "starter" garden layouts? Like for those who's gardening level isn't high enough for the apple or blueberry seeds and such

[proven pulsar]

does the fertilizer have to be applied every day, or just once?

[proven pulsar]

ok. ive been in this garden planner for 3 hours, im officially waving the white flag and asking for help. 😂 🏳️
i would like to do a 3x3 layout that has 1-2 apple trees, 2 blueberries, 2 peppers. I'd like to be able to get like 4-6 cotton in there for cloth making, and a variety of crops for cooking...but 100% water retain and weed block.

[surreal isle]

You can spam fertilizer up to 100, for me i spam up to 20

[proven pulsar]

oh so itll be good for that many days?

[last quail]

Wonderful thank you!

[solar moat]

Ok I am no expert in the garden planning area but I tried my best. I was able to get a 100% water retain and weed block layout with one apple tree, 2 blueberries and 2 peppers but it only has 2 cotton and 1 rice. There are other people who are far more skilled than me at this but this is what I got. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkTBkCPSpOCbSp-OP.HpCSpOTSpCP-BkBBPBBTOT-CSpSpPSpSpTBkC-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCbCOPRTBk-CbPTBkCoCbOTP-PCoCBkCbOOTBk-CbPOTBBCBB

[surreal isle]

You are soo welcome!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TOWCoBkRPTCo-TBkCoTSpSpBkSpSp-PBkOTWCoCoRT-BkBBTBBPCoBk-AAAAAAAAA-BkORTCoTBBBk-RCoSpBkTSpOPR-SpTPSpBkOCoRW-BBRBkCoBkTPR

[thorn oxide]

Edit: Opps just saw you want a 100% weedblock
About cotton and fabric: Eliot convinced me with math to go for bok choy instead, make money of it and buy fabric from Tish's shop. It's cheaper that way

#🌱│gardening message

[proven pulsar]

why bok choy and not a different crop? is that the current cash crop champion?

[thorn oxide]

accodring to this yes
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

Important part is to make Bok Choy into seeds, not pickle them

[proven pulsar]

This was the best layout i came up with, but it didn't have room for cotton...but if i can make enough profits to buy fabric, I suppose it works??

also what are your guys thoughts on keeping vs selling/processing quality and normal crops? im always torn on selling/processing my quality ones vs saving them for cooking, and i can just never make up my mind on what to keep and what to sell

[floral talon]

lv25 all starred seeds starred produce only 38 unstarred seeeds only starred produce

[proven pulsar]

i only just hit level 10 gardening, so im a ways off from that

[floral talon]

we dont got that problem XD
starred cooking is always better as the most expensive thing in cooking is the effort to cook and it gives more starred chance of the dish

[floral talon]

you could use some cotton in the layout instead of weedblock if u start out u need tons of fabric anyways and u still benefit from the buff
but idk maybe u need those carrots and bokchoi and onions

[proven pulsar]

true the quality buff is nice and i could always weedblock fert things i guess

[thorn oxide]

My personal preference on that stems from my irl experiences and how it shaped me as a person.
So I keep a minimum of every seed around 15 (for apples, blueberries and pepper) up to 30 for other crops for replanting.
As well as I always keep a minimum of 50 starred ingredients in my chest in case of an unforeseeable impromptu kitchen emergency (except potatoes, since I put so many of them into the seeding machines that I have at least 100 potatoes in there even after I come back after sleeping)

Rice is something I keep a lot more, since I like to go to sushi/sashimi parties with it for profit.
The rest goes into jars and seeders

[floral talon]

like i cant recommend low level qualioty up layouts anymore cuz the tradeof makes it highly varied on person whats best

[proven pulsar]

i just want a set and forget farm, gardening takes up way too much time in my day cycles otherwise and i basically never get to leave my plot except for night time underground runs

[floral talon]

wel i just give options i gues weedblock is better for u and it keeps improving each level

theres also no rush in getting weedwhacker achivement anyways

[proven pulsar]

that's about what I've been doing - keeping 30 of most seeds/crops...seems like im on the right train of thought then

[haughty summit]

hello, does anyone have a good afk garden layout for getting cotton? been decorating a lot and keep running out of cloth

[proven pulsar]

Just read up a bit, I asked for something similar

[haughty summit]

okay i read it all, thanks i'll try going for profit with my garden then

[floral talon]

personally i just tryhard a round of cotton so i dont have to bother much wiht it again its terrible to fit in layouts

[haughty summit]

yeah i've been tryin with garden planners and its annoying haha

[clear kindle]

if i need cotton/fabric, when i'm done with the apple harvest, i'll just collect all of the other crops and then just plant 81 cotton x2 and then i should be good for a while

[barren sphinx]

so i submitted a report for 4 of my flow trees not giving seeds. not sure if anything will come of it or not but it is a bit frustrating considering those are the only 4 seeds ive got so far.

[neat vortex]

Was this the thing where they'd been mature for more than 5 growth ticks/still unwaterable and no seed?

[barren sphinx]

idk

[neat vortex]

wasn't sure if you were the same person who had mentioned that in here

[limber crescent]

Does anyone have any crop layouts with pumpkins yet? I just noticed we have seeds for them now!

[thorn oxide]

I'm pretty sure they are only available in a few days when Elderwoods comes out

[limber crescent]

Okay thanks!!!

[neat vortex]

There is only the recipe in the seedmakers, no pumpkins or seeds yet - they are an accident

[floral talon]

cant even make layouts with them yet as we dont know what their buf is going to be

[barren sphinx]

ok, so after a couple growth cylces i can water my flow trees again. weird. watering is buggy for me a lot anyway. get random crops that will show not fully watered after a relog.

[floral talon]

I mean i had to water mine 60 times for the grow 5 trees quest …

[thorn oxide]

my grow a tree quest was also buggy
It grew to mature, gave me a seed and still nothing.
I grew a second one, still nothing.
Funny enough when I put the tree in my inventory and placed it again, the quest was completed

[floral talon]

So thats ehat fixed it for md then

[barren sphinx]

hmm, weird. i figured they were just like any tree, maybe i dont understand how flow trees work

[thorn oxide]

I think trees in general and the watering can be buggy.
I noticed it often when they actually grow (making them also spawn on my current selected home plot, not where they were planted) that I often can't water them that day, although I last have watered them the day before.

or when they stand too close to each other, the watering bar seems to disappear?

[barren sphinx]

Oh, i do remember moving those 4 trees so maybe thats what bugged them.

[floral talon]

Tree growing is just buggy so im not bothering with it

[barren sphinx]

well, thanks for the feedback all. at least now i know just to wait it out

[neat vortex]

For anybody who might need it, the grow pattern on trees normally (both regular and flow) is:
Trees progress and need watering again at 6am Palia time.

Seed to sapling: 1 watering
Sapling to young tree: 2 waterings
Young tree to adult tree: 3 waterings
Adult tree to mature tree: 4 waterings
First growth tick as a mature tree: NO WATERING (free day)
Mature tree until seed: 5 more waterings

Total: 16 growth ticks

Source: a friend who hosted DAILY flow tree chops for several months, and yes, watered his trees every hour for 16 hours every day.

Well, I think maybe technically he usually would water every other hour, but once before the growth tick and again right after

[floral talon]

wait does this mean u can get more then one seed per tree?

[thorn oxide]

I think you have a chance of getting a seed when you chop it as well (normal ones, not the flow ones)
but when you got a seed from watering, then I don't think you can continue to water it next day

[floral talon]

First growth tick as a mature tree: NO WATERING (free day)
Mature tree until seed: 5 more waterings so these steps arent repeatable?

[neat vortex]

No, once it's been through all 15 waterings and gives a seed, it's done

[floral talon]

ok got it so one seed per tree so u can sustain and chance of getting another one when chopping

[neat vortex]

No flow seeds from chopping, though, only regular tree seeds from regular trees sometimes (same chance as chopping wild regular trees)

[floral talon]

so incase u ever wanna do flowtree partys on ur own plot hoard those seeds/place aton down XD

[neat vortex]

Basically, yeah

Or a few, there's not really a wrong number of trees for a chop lol

[floral talon]

i wann amake layouts with the new plants already

maybe i can make an even lazier one imagine that pure cozyness no fert needded or much replainting fully afk

[burnt sparrow]

there is nothing new here, always the same layout for 2 years ^^

[floral talon]

i have a library of 30+ ones but poeple always request the exact same 3 or something

[burnt sparrow]

It's sad, but it's enough.

[floral talon]

i still have to remake the entire how to garden guide but 0 mental energy to do it 😦

[thorn oxide]

just discovered a new bug for me
I was watering my crops when suddenly a flow tree from another plot plopped into view and got watered instead. Then it disappeared again and the crop's water meter took a moment to even react to the water again.

Checked on the other plot where my trees are growing: One tree actually got watered

That was weird.

[clear kindle]

known bug, trees on plots that are not in use at the time of growth, will actually teleport to other plots

[thorn oxide]

it was 3pm

and the tree only plopped in long enough to be watered, then vanished again and apparently went back to the plot where it is actually standing

[floral talon]

i mean tree limit is shared on all plots so they probs exist on all plots

[thorn oxide]

that would make sense. Still weird for it to be visually glitching into your view suddenly and then vanishing again 😅

[floral talon]

existing in multiple places of stuf check
time moving backwards checked
yey gardening in palia makes total sense

[foggy otter]

I think I’ve hoarded enough for now

[proven pulsar]

i officially got my first big girl 3x3 farm with apples and blueberries going

[floral talon]

ah the poeple who do cooking layout

though im not sureif poeple really need 2 blues/spicys thats the max set and forget cooking layout for sure

[proven pulsar]

i probably dont need two of each, but i like a symmetrical farm/reharvestable crops and they aren't bad money makers

[prisma cedar]

can i use this and swap out any certain crops for cotton?

or what is that tool you're using

[proven pulsar]

i guess theoretically you might be able to swap the peppers for four cotton each? but i was convinced to just grow for profit (especially bok choy) and just buy fabric, the numbers work out better that way i guess

[proven pulsar]

Palia Garden Planner, it's in the pinned resources

[proven pulsar]

is this like a well-known layout though? i just strugglebussed in the planner for like 4 hours lmao

[floral talon]

yeay i made it first XD

[proven pulsar]

oh wow that is pretty close

[floral talon]

its cool poeple can arrive at the same conclusions

this one was a request from someone so it was made for poeple who cook alot with peppers and berrys and apples

[proven pulsar]

im just kinda mad i didnt find it and suffered for hours instead we have a few differences but thats pretty dang similar

[prisma cedar]

thank you!! I want my garden to be bootiful

[floral talon]

if u dont liek making layouts i can make htem for everyone just need to beon see the message nto being flooded by other messages and ask some questions to make sure i get the right one for you/ur request actually makes sense

[proven pulsar]

she still growin but she do be lookin cute

[neat vortex]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but blueberries and peppers are on the bottom of the gold per tile per growth tick reckoning, unless you are hosting cake parties with the blueberries. HOWEVER, if you tend to put off replanting your single-harvest crops, but harvest your multi-harvest crops on time, then the numbers might be a little better on them than the strict reckoning by grow time. But you would need to delay the rest by a fair bit, iirc.

If you like the layout and it works for you though, no reason not to use it!

A layout that makes you miserable to work with is a garden you will avoid doing things with and will therefore make you no money at all XD

[floral talon]

thats why i need the new plants the layouts i like consume to much fert so i cant run em or they are to complex replant wise or take ot much replkanting or they take actual maintenance the horror

[thorn oxide]

Gosh I wanted to wait until the new crops are out to change my layout. But I got impatient since my old layout had too little weed prevention for my taste. (100% harvest boost, 100% Water retain, 28% quality increase and 33% weed prevention)

100% Water Retain
99% Weed Prevention (I'm going to drown that one tomato in the middle in Weed Blocker fertiliser )
67% Harvest Boost
(no other fertilizer applied)

One of everything except cotton, but someone could easily switch out the 8 rice, 2 wheat or 2 corn for a cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RPOCTBkBkPC-WTCCrPBkAAA-WPOCrTBkCPR-SpSpBkSpSpPRCT-AAAAAARTR-BkBBPBBTCR-PBkCTRBkBkCP-BkPBkPCPCbBkCb-CBkPBkRTPCBk

And I'm only loosing 1472 gold in 30 days compared to the old layout but save myself time weeding/using weed block fert and silence my brain that went crazy when I couldn't harvest all crops of one type on the same day, because one tile got paused because of weed

[neat vortex]

Yeah the desynced crops are just the worst

[proven pulsar]

It's not that I put off replanting but that I feel obligated to immediately do it and then I'm cranky about it because I'd rather do anything else...like I wanna be out in the wild grinding palium or something and then instead im stuck on my plot farming and somehow I always end up there for ages instead of going back out

[floral talon]

this is why i chose plant types that have lined up harvest times usually but now i just harvest whenever my apples are ready

[dark gazelle]

so i mad this setup because im lazy is there more profitable afk farm? i dont have fruit trees yet

[floral talon]

fruit trees ar emore of a less effort thing/needing it for cooking then a more money thing though

[zealous edge]

hey guuyys 🥲
Am i not allowed to plant stuff at my friend's plot after being given editor's permission? 😭

I can't do anything besides water and rake !

that's not an editor at all, that's barely a gardener 😔

[floral talon]

i think gardening is a skill poeple gotto do for themself at least u can help them out

[zealous edge]

very sad !! But thanks :')

[neat vortex]

Any visitor can water, till, and pluck weeds (the host receives the weeds, lol)

Editor permission is needed to water flowers and trees, or to chop trees

[floral talon]

How do the perms work? Like which ones exist and what does it do

[manic meteor]

Editor perms just allow your friends you trust to help out with flower and tree watering/chopping like Ren was saying, that way random people or ones you may not know very well yet can't just come over to your plot and just start chopping your trees or messing with your flower/tree stages you have planted.

[prisma cedar]

what does weed prevention do?

[manic meteor]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/WeedBlock_Fertilizer#Description
Prevents weeds from growing on that crop during that growth cycle so it doesn't dry out.

[prisma cedar]

also... is this an ok garden for my first try ?

I wanted 1. a large variety of crops 2. apples, peppers, and blueberries to have all 4 buffs. i think im going to try again with the 2x2 plants in the inner corners? regardless im having a good time figuring this out lol

[prisma cedar]

Oh is there a way to boost seed yield too? So you can have a 100% self sustaining farm without using the crop muncher?

Sorry if I am asking a lot of questions

[floral talon]

idk i cant see the % of each buff

[minor briar]

Is it better to make starred blueberries into jam or into seeds (in terms of gold)?

[floral talon]

jam only potato and bokchoi is better as seeds of stuff u can jar

[pearl mountain]

Do you think they'll come out with a patch where you can have as many crop spaces as you want past the current max allowed?

[neat vortex]

I seriously, seriously doubt it. As it is, gardening is very tightly balanced, since it's a very powerful source of passive income (especially when paired with crafters).

Unlimited crop tiles would also mean that players might feel obligated to RUN that many crop tiles in order to keep up with others. 81 is hard enough, and already takes more tending and replanting time than some players have to spend — even with companion planting buffs keeping everything weeded and watered.

But who knows, maybe they'll surprise us!

[neat vortex]

What DS said. The processing algorithm for excess crops* that works for most players (with exceptions on the far ends of the playtime-to-idle-time spectrum) is:

• Sell bok choy and potatoes as seeds
• Everything else that can be jarred, jar it before selling
• Remaining items, sell as seeds

Pickled onions can also optionally be fed to regular worms for a bit more profit (+23g/unit), if you don't have anything better to do with the crafter slots.

*Excess crops are the ones left over after you've made seeds for replanting and held back what you will need for other purposes, like cooking or crafting.

[neat vortex]

No, unfortunately. The bonus seeds from harvesting are random chance and can't be boosted. (You also never get bonus seeds from trees or bushes, as far as I can tell — only single-tile crops.)

The seed collectors do give you occasional bonus seeds, though, and once you're past gardening level 38, you can plant unstarred seeds and get all starred produce back without any buffs needed.

[neat vortex]

Could you share the planner link for this? Screenshot is hard to parse :) Use the Save button on the planner page.

[thorn oxide]

Sometimes I wish we would also get a bonus unstarred crop when harvesting every now and then
You know when cooking party accidently doesn't select star ingredient and then you're like: I don't have this unstarred!

[neat vortex]

For the home plot, there's four permissions levels:

• Owner (obviously can't be granted to anyone else)
• Editor
• Visitor
• No Entry (I think?)

No Entry players obviously can't even visit the plot; this is assigned automatically when you forcibly remove someone.

Visitors can water, weed, and till the garden, use cooking stations/campfires, access their own storage/safe storage from regular chests (but not the lockbox furnishing), shoot balloons/targets, & sit in chairs.

• If they weed the garden, the weeds go to the owner's bags, which is a hilarious mental image. If a visitor weeds your crops, neither you nor the visitor gets credit toward the Weed Whacker accomplishment series. If there is loot from tilling the soil, the visitor who tills it receives it.
• If a visitor cooks food by themselves on your cooking stations, then only the people who participate in the cooking receive the cooked food, even if it's left for the host to collect. That means that if you cook on someone else's campfire and then go home, the host receives nothing. (If you have left the server, you don't get it either; if you're still on the server, it lands in your bags.)
• Visitors may contribute to in-progress buildings.

Editors have all Visitor permissions, plus can move existing furnishing items and building components around the plot (but can't place or remove them). They can also water trees and flowers (but not gather seeds), chop trees and bushes, and destroy rocks and debris (including the sign at the front of the plot). Editors can also interact with all interactable furnishings (turn on/off lights, faucets/tubs, open/close cabinets, etc.)

• If an editor chops a tree down (or destroys a rock, etc.), the host is able to collect the loot from the tree even if they would not otherwise have gotten credit for it.
• Editors cannot plant, harvest, or fertilize crops
• Editors being able to move garden plots around means that they can disrupt garden buffs by accident

[neat vortex]

That would be nice, tbh. I end up buying what I can from Badruu, or getting them from the rummage piles

[neat vortex]

Oh, I guess there is also technically the View Only permissions set, which you are assigned when you visit on a home tour. That gives you some Editor permissions (turn on lights, open cabinets, etc.), but some Visitor permissions are missing: like you can't cook on a cooking station or do anything with the garden. You can still contribute building materials to in-progress buildings, though, which I find really funny

[floral talon]

i swear flow tree parttys are only possible in this game cuz hte playerbase is so nontoxic

[neat vortex]

I really feel like the community is the way it is because the game is designed the way it is. for example, with flow tree parties, there's no reason not to share, and only benefits for doing so, for the most part. But yeah, it does require trust, and I've seen more than one plot sign (technically debris!) meet its demise to someone at a flow tree chop 😅

[pulsar haven]

hello gardeners quick question are cabbage and bok choy inter changeable or

[neat vortex]

Nope. Cabbage is a 6-day crop that gives the water retain buff, synonym with tomatoes and potatoes. It's slow growing and only worth about as much as corn, so it's not very good for money, comparatively, unless you go very long periods between harvests (which bumps it up to "ehh it's OK.") Utility crop for cooking only.

Bok choy is a 3-day crop that gives the weed prevention buff, synonym with carrots and onions. It's fast, worth a good chunk, and, furthermore, nearly doubles in value in a seed collector. Prime cash crop.

[minor briar]

Thank you for this! This was very useful.

[prisma cedar]

I think I got rid of my planner but I can remake it

[prisma cedar]

@neat vortex https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OCoCrCoBBCrBB-BkCoTOBkCbCbOCo-CrOBkSpSpOSpSpCr-CoOCbCrBkCoPOW-AAAAAAAAA-CoCbBkWPOOCbW-TBBCoBBOCoT-WCbOOPCbBkCoW-SpSpCrSpSpCoCrCoO

[neat vortex]

Very ambitious to get all 4 buffs on the bushes and trees with only companion planting, especially with so many bushes. I'm honestly impressed that you managed it!

My personal approach tends to aim for 100% weed/water first, then go for harvest boost, then fill in the remainder with worm-produced fertilizers (HB if needed, then QualityUp after that). Lost growth ticks from unwatered or weed-ridden crops add up fast, and partially unwatered layouts require nearly as much work as fully unwatered ones, ime.

If your goals are more variety/casual utility (vs profit or intensive production), then I think you might find that four bushes is a lot. They're quite prolific, despite not pulling in much solo-processed income.

That's me, though; any layout YOU are happy with and that does what you need it to do is a good layout :)

[prisma cedar]

thank you for all the info :) I might rework this one to still have the bushes but go for 100% weed/water because I use the bushes for cooking a lot

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you, again?

[prisma cedar]

only 8

are there crops that give more xp than others?

[neat vortex]

No, they all give 4 XP per tile per growth tick (full life cycle length divided by number of harvests)

Here's a guide on leveling gardening: #🌱│gardening message

[shell basin]

Are apple trees glitched? Mine haven’t change in 3 IRL days

[burnt sparrow]

it exists 100%

Afterwards I add harvest booster fertilizer where it is lacking.

you can improve by removing an apple tree and shifting them

[burnt sparrow]

try to move some potting soil

[thorn oxide]

depends how often and long you have been online in these 3 irl days.
When you go off, they only grow on in day tick before you come online again.

[clear kindle]

also make sure that you have no weeds in your garden. there's a bug/working as intended(?) where if you have 9 weeds, the crops won't grow or grow in reverse

[thorn carbon]

If my friend is offline, can I water their plants for them? Or do they need to be online? Can I even water their plants for them?

[floral talon]

mate how do u intend to go to their plot if they arent online

and yes u can water them by glitching on tours

[thorn carbon]

So basically just no I thought you could visit friends plots when they're offline but I never visit so I have no idea

[floral talon]

plot tours thoughim not sure if that gets updated to the player but u can water stuff on tour when the player is offline ans weed it to i did it by accident but its tricky to pull of

[neat vortex]

I'd be willing to test this with you (another time), because if it DOES update to the player, that's actually kind of annoying

Usually if my crops are unwatered, it's for a reason, and I don't want anybody to "helpfully" desync the crops I'm trying to realign...

[floral talon]

my contraption to stop others from messing with my garden but weedblock didnt work

[floral talon]

unknown 2x2 crop is a ||type o f bean||

[narrow grove]

Any ideas how to optimize this? I mostly care about tomato quality and quantity

[slow flame]

I'd say put only tomatoes in the plots and whatever plots you have left fill them with whatever is left, it bugs my OCD otherwise

[barren sphinx]

wiat, nok choy kimchee isnt the way to go, just sell seeds?

[narrow grove]

wdym?

How will I get the crop buffs then?

[slow flame]

Idk it just bugs my OCD like that, I'm a noob

[neat vortex]

Do you need tomatoes specifically, it just trying to make gold?

[thorn oxide]

I get your OCD being bugged by this

But in Palia Gardening there is kind of strategy behind planting different crops to give each other different boost.

So if you plant only one crop only, you get the least out of it

[neat vortex]

Yep, unless you are producing bok choy faster than you can seed it, in which case you might want to preserve some of it instead

[barren sphinx]

i have like 19 preserve jars ruinning

guess i'll switch to seed makers lol

speaking of, time to water

[narrow grove]

money

more specifically, early game money

[neat vortex]

Hmm lemme check

How early? (what level gardening)

[narrow grove]

So far I got this profit

[narrow grove]

Three (3)

I found hunting a bit more fun so I grinded it a bit too much (I'm lvl 10 hunting)

[slow flame]

I'm almost at level 4 foraging myself

[neat vortex]

So you're still buying seeds, OK, that makes this relevant

[narrow grove]

what do the funny numbers mean?

[neat vortex]

from https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AfqsJjHJbN2WR3x1nYxeA2OP72GKNVfk2aO-4Geeiis/edit?usp=drivesdk

[narrow grove]

oh the best crop to grow?

[neat vortex]

While you are still buying seeds, best profit per tile per tick are, in order, bok choy, tomatoes, rice, potatoes

Can you craft quality fert yet?

[barren sphinx]

ok, im running 12 preserves jars and 10 seed extractors now and i'll see how it plays out. gonna run short on bok choy for the preserves pretty quick i think. thats ok

[narrow grove]

not yet I can't

[neat vortex]

Recipe buyable at level 2 gardening from Badruu

[narrow grove]

omw to buy it

[neat vortex]

And fishing level 4 gets you the Worm Farm recipe

Lemme get back to my computer, planner is a nightmare on mobile

[narrow grove]

give me a minute

I realized I have enough gold to buy more soil, let me update the layout

It's a 3x3 now

[neat vortex]

\o/

Okay, I've got some ideas for you to look at: #🌱│gardening message

They might need a little rearranging to emphasize tomatoes over potatoes

[narrow grove]

which of these do you recommend for early game or for someone who will probably make some mistakes following the layouts?

[neat vortex]

Hm, good question

[narrow grove]

I don't mind manual watering so the tryhard bok choy could work

[neat vortex]

If you would rather have something you can "set and forget," without having to come back every hour/every other hour to water and weed, I think Lucas Dylan's layout is the most straightfoward. It's three patterns, each repeated across a row of plots, arguably (arguably) a little simpler than the Bullseye, and higher revenue, at the cost of needing some store-bought fertilizer to keep it 100% watered.

Yeah, if you don't mind manual watering, that could definitely be one option. You can also modify that layout to incorporate tomatoes and/or potatoes, too

It's certainly the most straightforward, it's just a LOT of work

[narrow grove]

Any reason I should incorporate Tomatoes/potatoes? the XP?

[neat vortex]

If you'd rather be out hunting, fishing, questing, exploring, talking to villagers (very important in early game), then I tend to recommend AFK layouts, buuut that's me

Nah, XP is all the same per tile per tick for all crops

[narrow grove]

oh but what I'm reading here, they need to use the jar thingies right?

I don't have that unlocked yet

[neat vortex]

The table I shared above assumed selling the crops raw

the one with bok choy and potatoes at the top - and you will get the seed collector at level 5

bok choy and potatoes are best processed as seeds, and even tomatoes are better as seeds than raw (rice and wheat also seeds)

[narrow grove]

So from what I read, its best if I seed the crops instead of selling them manually?

[neat vortex]

Yes, once you unlock the seed collector, you can process the crops you intend to sell into seeds before selling them (after holding back what you'll need to replant your garden, ofc)

[narrow grove]

gotcha, thanks, will give it a try now

[neat vortex]

Awesome, have fun!

Really what matters is that your garden layout works with your playstyle, does what you want it to do, and makes you happy :)

[static epoch]

Does anyone know the best plantation to have endgame? to farm money

[surreal isle]

Try if you can improve this

[static epoch]

Do I need to plant in this order or can it be random?

[surreal isle]

Should be in this exact same order for the buffs

Need all seeds to be star seeds

[surreal isle]

Start with the bokchoi then carrots, then tomatoes,

Then potato, then wheat, then rice, you will get used to the pattern

Make sure to spam fertilizer up in the cells indicated, i am doing 20 ferts, but i heard you can spam up to 100

[static epoch]

Does fertilizer accumulate? I didn't know

[surreal isle]

Jam --> starred and unstarred tomato and carrots

Everything else goes to the seeder.

But once in a while, seed the tomato and carrots for replanting purposes

[surreal isle]

In this setup you need only water fertilizer and harvest boost, 4 cells and 4 cells, it is symmetrical so it should be easy to remember and spot where, press G while you are in the plot then you will see how many fert has been spammed

[static epoch]

Jesus, it's complicated, but I'll try to apply what you're applying. In the end, how much money does that give?

[surreal isle]

After all the seeding and preserving -- 4,348 gold per palian day or 130k gold per 30 palian days

[static epoch]

Very good, I'm going to try to apply it, I'm currently just fishing but I'm already saturated lol

[surreal isle]

You will get used to it, just follow the sequence of which seed to be planted first:

1. Bokchoi
2. Carrots
3. Tomatoes
4. Potatoes
5. Wheat
6. Rice

[surreal isle]

While doing the planting, passive gold from glow worm farm using mountain morels from zeki store,

[static epoch]

I apply 20 fertilizers then? Do you use it only once?

[surreal isle]

It will deplete from time to time, refill again later your fertilizer, but at least you are sure every plant will grow continuously

[surreal isle]

Come visit my plot IGN: Lucas Dylan

I am offline though but my plot is searchable and open to visitors

[static epoch]

I will look now

[neat vortex]

"best" will depend a lot on your playstyle and how much labor you want to put in, but some minmaxed options are listed here: #🌱│gardening message

Less labor-intensive options (at trade-off of less solo processing revenue) include the Diamond Apple layout (four apples AFK) and Astrea Moreno's Cross Layout, findable by searching the channel

Once you start getting into cooking parties for profit, though, it's a whole different ballgame

But that's not gardening-only revenue and also more active labor (vs gardening, which can be largely passive)

[dark gazelle]

why does mine come out lower?

[floral talon]

lower what?
if gold consider selecting what to proces into options

[dark gazelle]

i see now you can change to ust seeds

[surreal isle]

Use star seeds

[surreal quail]

hello! relearning palia after not playing for a while, and was wondering if anyone could help me with an ideal gardening layout involving all the crops, but is not too difficult to understand and set up? ☺️

[floral talon]

though its uinlilkely that u need 2 vpeppers and 2 blueberrys it does lack cotton though

[neat vortex]

Here are two additional "everything garden" layouts for cooking (one in the linked message and one in the message right after): #🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

note to self finish sorting the QR code layout family as they are superior

[surreal quail]

oh thank you so much!! ☺️ a few questions:

1. in the cash crop / less fruit version, for the blueberry and pepper, is it saying we could switch them out for any of those crops and it wouldn’t effect the layout? same with the any 2+ grains - like 4/8 wheat could become cotton in the wheat spots?

2. is it saying at the top that you don’t need fertilizer for blueberries but you need double fertilizer for the peppers?

3. is it fertilizer per palian day? and if we forget to put it on one day out of its growth cycle, it just won’t become a starred crop right?

sorry for all the questions; i’ve never gotten this into gardening and have never seen the planner before!

[neat vortex]

Blueberries and wheat/rice/corn all give harvest boost
Peppers and cotton both give QualityUp (quality boost)

So to replace the harvest boost buff from the blueberries, if you plant peppers instead, you would need to put down HB fertilizer on the plants touching the pepper plant that had been relying on the blueberry for that buff.

If you replace wheat with cotton, same deal: adjacent crops that had been relying on the wheat will lose their yield buff and will need fertilizer to get it back

[vast shore]

I found today by accident that crops are able to be dug up before they're grown. Has this been a feature for a long time or am I just slow? Lol

[neat vortex]

The whole layout as depicted takes 20 fertilizer per growth tick ("per day"), but you could remove some if the pepper bush were blueberries instead, or you'd need to add more if double peppers

[floral talon]

yeay its only useful if u make a mistake planting tstuff though

[neat vortex]

It hasn't always been in the game, but it's been in a looong time. I'm glad you know about it now!

[neat vortex]

or if in a hurry to layout-swap if something got desynced lol

[vast shore]

Those are both fair points, im glad I'm in the loop now 😅

[neat vortex]

One unit of fertilizer is consumed each growth tick ("Palian day"), but fortunately you can stack up to 99 on a crop (100 on bushes), so you don't have to have anxiously over your garden with a shovel or anything...

[floral talon]

honestly i reocmmend placing the fertiliser with an auto clicker ...

[neat vortex]

(consumed unless the crop is getting the buff from a neighbor)

It would REALLY help to have an option to place fertilizer in larger chunks

[floral talon]

well gn and im sure ren has poeple covered for the night and morning shift

[neat vortex]

but tbh I think it might be a subtle nudge toward needing less fertilizer XD

[neat vortex]

I am also probably going to bed rn, lol, long day - goodnight!

[neat vortex]

Have you had a look through Arenvanya's guide to gardening? (check pins)

[floral talon]

afk 1 apple full harvest boost should be possible with far less fertiliser tbh

[slow flame]

Hey guys. What's the best way to maximize crop profits now? Haven't played in over a year. Which crops should go to preservers/seeders?

[floral talon]

can u jar it jar it unles potato/bokchoi

[dark gazelle]

yea tying to make it a decent passive profit as well tho the tree itself doesnt need any fert

[neat vortex]

Hm, something's funky if you're needing weed and water fertilizer here... I bet you can get those to 100% with a little shuffling

[slow flame]

So jar everything except potato and bokchoi?

[floral talon]

exception is when urun out of craftrer time but normal poeple wont do that

[dark gazelle]

is there any better just straight profit farms this is highest ive made so far

[floral talon]

Yeay but ul run into crafter time issues

[neat vortex]

See what numbers it spits out with potatoes instead of carrots lol

then you'll REALLY have crafter time issues...

[barren sphinx]

what is this trying to tell me?

[floral talon]

Full inv

[barren sphinx]

oh, it was saying it wanted me to pick up harvest boost. lol

[surreal quail]

thank you for your help! i’m going to make the less fruit layout now, plus add wheat, cotton and carrots in there somewhere 🤔

[surreal quail]

i thought you could move crops, but you can’t, so now i have to go buy more of the ones i don’t have enough of 😩 i won’t have enough coins 😭 lol

[neat vortex]

(Layout in question: #🌱│gardening message )

Carrots can sub in for some of the onions or bok choy; they all give the weed prevention buff.

Wheat can go in for either the rice or the corn, as it gives the harvest boost buff also.

Cotton can go in some of the grain spots not touching a tree/bush. You'll need extra HB fertilizer to replace the grain's natural buff if you sub in cotton.

(If you only need cotton to make fabric, it is a more effective use of your garden tiles to grow cash crops and buy your fabric from the furniture shop cash register instead.)

[floral talon]

^unles u really need that quality up buff

[surreal quail]

thank you so much for explaining! idk why my brain is having trouble fully grasping it 😂 i really appreciate it! 😊

[neat vortex]

At this point my advice is "read Arenvanya's guide" (see pins) and "go mess around in the garden planner and see what breaks or doesn't" :)

[surreal quail]

for many making / profit, you’d recommend preserving the crops before selling right?

[floral talon]

jarring is best for everything but potato and bokchoi(unles those run out of crafter time thigns get complicated

[surreal quail]

oh okay thanks, good to know! so i won’t jar those two

[narrow grove]

ok you were right, I do need the afk layouts What exactly are the requirements to make one? I was looking at Fairy's and as far as I know, all need water retain, right?

(I also want to add my own detail to it so I can feel accomplished too)

[floral talon]

water retain and weedblock but 1000%harvest boost as a bonus is possible thought hte seeding becomes more tedious but lots of harvy boost plants are super desirable for various reasons anyways

keep in mind set and forget is truly afk
no maintenance is harder cuz u need lots of reseeding ... curse u slow growth tiime of weedblock plants

[narrow grove]

So its better if I 100% follow Fairy's guide?

[floral talon]

idk that guide neither do i know what u are trying to achive

[narrow grove]

Money while I do muh quests 🤑

[floral talon]

ic i think uneed hte 4 apple tree afk harvy bosot layout

[narrow grove]

that's early game right? (I'm barely starting)

[floral talon]

thenu dont need money u need to just farm XD (cuz low level and stuff)

[narrow grove]

Alr, I'l just set up something on the planner that I like and I'll go from there

[neat vortex]

Yes, seed bok choy, potatoes, and anything that can't go in a preserves jar. Jar for everything else.

[neat vortex]

Could you link this guide? I've never heard of it either

[narrow grove]

you sent it to me tho? 1 sec

[neat vortex]

o_O

[narrow grove]

Fairy's max profit afk layout

[neat vortex]

OH a layout

I was thinking, like. infographic, or a doc or something 😂 thanks for helping me out

[narrow grove]

[neat vortex]

Okay, now I understand your question a little better.

so it's better if I 100% follow Fairy's [layout]?
That layout is very tightly optimized for maximum gold per tile per growth tick while still being 100% water-retain and 100% weedblock. 100% water/weed means that you plant the layout, water it in, and then you don't have to do anything else to it until the first plants are ready for harvest 3 ticks later. That gives you about 3-4 hours of running-around time before you have to go tend to your garden.

If you want to get the gold numbers promised by that layout, yes, you would need to follow it exactly. Any crop substitutions are likely to reduce the gold value (though in my personal opinion, the fraction of a gold per day difference is worthwhile to have onions on hand).

It also assumed that you always harvest and replant on time, with no delays. (A delay in replanting your carrots, for example, takes them from being a 3-day crop to, effectively, a 4-day crop.)

You will also need to (ideally) process the crops before selling them, but if you're very new to the game/to gardening, it may take a while to work up to having the necessary crafter recipes and crafter slots.

Oh, and yes, you DO need to put the weedblock and water retain fertilizer on the specified tiles for it to be 100% weed prevented. If you would rather not have the up-front cost of buying fertilizer, I suggest using the other bullseye layout linked in that post. You can leave off the corner fertilizer on that one without too many problems, if you have to.

Bonus: if you are under level 10 gardening, it would also be a good idea to put quality up fertilizer on your garden on any tiles not already occupied by a different fertilizer. This will improve your chances of getting starred crops, which are worth more, and should be saved until you have enough to make star-quality seeds once you unlock the seed collector, if you haven't already. You can craft the fertilizer until you level your fishing enough to unlock the worm farm, after which I suggest getting yourself to a cake party (just one party should stock you up plenty) for an easy source of high-value sweet foods.

[narrow grove]

Reading this, DuhScape's words sound a bit more convincing. Optimizing at my stage in the game doesn't seem like a good idea, specially if I'm trying to enjoy and level up

I guess I can just aim for a full water retention and weed prevention layout

[neat vortex]

In that case, I recommend the bullseye :) It's the same pattern of 3 concentric rings, just inverted a bit.
Edit: this one: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTCBkCrRCRP-BkPTRCrRTCBk-CBkP.HRCrTPRC-TRBkPCrCBkRT-PTPRCrRPBkP-TRBkCCrPBkRT-CRPTCrRP.HBkC-BkCTRCrRTPBk-PRCRCrBkCTP.H

You can use wheat instead of corn if you like, and onions instead of carrots

[narrow grove]

Gotcha, I'll try it out as soon as my 45 tomatoes die out

[neat vortex]

omg haha

[narrow grove]

(I did NOT enjoy the idea of having to mix crops, so you can imagine how that went haha)

[neat vortex]

Ah... yeah unfortunately, if you want to take full advantage of companion planting, it sorta requires it

no monocropping in Palia XD at least not without a great deal of inconvenience

[narrow grove]

Stardew Valley players in shambles

[neat vortex]

Yeah, those seem to be the folks who have the most trouble with it, and also with the limited number of soil plots

[narrow grove]

This really takes a while. Is it really the best option to turn them into seeds?

[clear kindle]

depends on how you look at it, honestly. for tomatoes, you can use 3 tomatoes to get 2 seeds that combined can sell for 120 gold for 30 minutes, or you can get 1:1 preserve for 51g each for 27 minutes. so, your choice is that you can get 2 seeds but lose a tomato in the process for more gold, or you can wait longer and get a little bit more for 1.5 hours-ish

ah, those are for star quality the numbers i gave

[narrow grove]

gardenimg lvl 4

[neat vortex]

Keep in mind that unlike your garden, the crafters keep running even when you are offline

So they print money while you sleep lol
It's idle income.

But also if you do the math, I'm pretty sure the crafted seeds are still cheaper than the bought ones, even at star quality, for the ones you need to replant.

...and oh you must have started the game a while back, if you have the seed collector already. That changes everything! For brand-new players, the seed collector recipe got moved to gardening level 5.

but yeah don't sit there watching your seedmakers crank. Go quest or hunt or fish or something :)

[short radish]

hello! 😄
i am not seeing anything in pinned so i want to ask:
is there an updated version of late game most profitable (money) layout? or should we wait for elderwoods

[floral talon]

No becuz ehile i have over 30 minmaxed garden layouts none is objectively superior it depends to much on the player

[short radish]

thank you for replying!
i see, i'll just go with what i have now then

[floral talon]

I can hand u a layout or even make a custom u layout

[short radish]

that would be lovely, please
i just got 5 apple seeds, no blueberries tho, and the others i got plenty
would this work somehow?

[floral talon]

what foods do u wanna cook?
what is ur level?
how would u like to tend to ur crops? afk layout constant checking set and forget mind weeds and not watering or mind watering but not weeding?
whats ur goal with the layout also its ok to swap out layoluts i dont always run the same one somtimes i need a quick cotton run or something but ren said bokchoi into seeds buying cotton is cheaper apparently (but that just feels illegal)

[short radish]

i'm not picky about cooking, mostly soups to get me going
for now i am lvl 12 gardening
afk layout would be nice, but i don't mind tending to them regarding watering or weeding (i have time to check on them a few times a day - real time) - not watering is preffered if i have to choose
it is alright to swap some seeds sometime depending if i need something else
i was asking initially because i wanted to try the nappa cabbage and bok choy in my layout and did not find some update guide on them
hope this clears up a bit

[floral talon]

oh yeay for layout makers all 1x1 weedblock tiles are hte same plant XD
same for all water retain potato is a cabbge is a tomato cuz it dont matter for hte layout aslong as u have 2 seperate same buff types of same size

this but u can replace the weedblokc plants with cotton cuz of ur lower level

[short radish]

this was very nice of you! thanks for helping me 😄 i will be using this ❤️

[floral talon]

yw i think this one suits ur needds the most XD

[steel ore]

Anyone have layouts with every crop?

[floral talon]

with or without cotton how much of the larger ones?

[steel ore]

with cotton and atleast 1 of each large one

[floral talon]

you could replace the top or bottom half of this one so its 2 half layouts

otherwise idk cuz includign cotton to is super hard

[steel ore]

That's actually what I just did 😂

What should I swap out for cotton?

[floral talon]

according to ren other crops can easily sell for enuff to be better of buying the cotton

[steel ore]

I always forget you can buy it

[floral talon]

u still need that fixed or is it fine now

[steel ore]

Oh no. It's fine. I'll just buy the cotton. Thank you for the help! 🙂

I wonder if we will have new crops added. I know we have lettuce.

[floral talon]

i personally just run a dedicated cotton layout when it runs low and hten go back to a normal layout(which is max lazy mmin effort mostly decent coins and xp idk why i bother farming at this point but im to busy to bother with money cooking partys)

[steel ore]

Fair enough. I'll have the do the same.

[floral talon]

i hope they have weedblock and water retain 2x2 at least they showed on trialer its gonna be ||2x2s pumpkin and beans||

[steel ore]

They seriously need to give us more plots 😭

[floral talon]

no theyd ont

[neat vortex]

buying the FABRIC pls do not buy cotton from Badruu (unless you need raw cotton specifically for the, like, two furnishings that need it)

Cotton from the farm stand register: 180g
Cotton per fabric: 2
Fabric from the furniture store register: 190g

math ain't mathing on buying raw cotton lol

[shell drum]

Long shot ask but would anyone be willing to gift lunar anemone seeds?

[neat vortex]

Have you obtained them before/can request them?

[onyx shoal]

does anyone know what flower this is

[manic meteor]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Forget-Me-Not_Flower

[finite burrow]

does anyone know what the benefit is from getting cotton with star quality besides the selling price?

[floral talon]

Yes the selling price ok u cant do anything else with it besides pricier seeds which only have more selling price …

[finite burrow]

alright thank you :) was like.. should I even bother?

[placid hare]

There is a decor recipe that calls for starred cotton specifically

[finite burrow]

Oh thats good to know. Thank you❤️

[placid hare]

Found which one it is, it's the lily rattan cotton vase. For some reason the wiki doesn't say starred cotton but I've made enough of them that I swear that they need to be starred. Maybe it's just that I've only had starred cotton on hand though...

[finite burrow]

so it's literally one single item that u need it for that's it o.o?

[placid hare]

Yep. Just one. Lol

[floral talon]

i called the mystery crop correctly woot it was ||beans||

[thorn oxide]

I thinks it's the second.
I got ordinary cotton as a winning prize and could use it for the cotton vase as well.
(I have 1 normal one and 2 star ones and the recipe says I have 3/5)

[frail escarp]

Palia Garden Planner v0.3 - Save'n Time Update
Hi everyone, gonna slip in a planner update while maintenance is ongoing in preperation for the Elderwoods update! New crops will be added once possible

Changes:

• Crafter Timings — Crafters now have better time support
• In-Browser Saving — Planner codes can now be saved within the browser
• UI changes to fit all this in
• Setting Codes — Settings can now be included in save codes for sharing
• Harvester & Processor Overhaul — Harvester/Processor is way faster, heavily reducing lag when working with a huge last harvest day (like 1.8k days)
• QoL Changes:
  • Can now hide buff icons/color bg on cropTiles
  • New crop menu button on screen for mobile users
  • New widget for crop selection overall
  • Harvest days is now automatically set to the LCM
• Extra deets here: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/changelogs

⚠️ There's a few features I had to remove temporarily due to the overhauls, I'll be re-implementing them soon. I'll also be tweaking the crop details some more, to add more info where possible. In the meantime, feel free to test what's there and let me know if there's any issues I missed (definitely a lot). or any feedback you may have.

Happy Gardening!

[thorn oxide]

Thank you so much for your work on the garden planner
Tools like yours are such a time and live saver for old and new players alike

[neat vortex]

omg I'm almost equally as excited about this as I am about the actual expansion!

[frail escarp]

Honestly, the new expansion gave me some much needed pressure there was no way I'd let Elderwoods come before I made a new update

[zinc geyser]

What garden buff do you think the new crops, Batterfly Beans and Rockhopper Pumpkins, will have?

So far we have 5x Harvest Boost (Apple, Blueberry, Corn, Rice, Wheat), 2x Quality Boost (Cotton, Spicy Pepper), 3x Water Retain (Napa Cabbage, Potato, Tomato), and 3x Weed Block (Bok Choy, Carrot, Onion)

[warped yoke]

i think the new seeds might have water retain?

[zinc geyser]

I hope its either Water Retain and either Quality Boost or Weed Block. I would be surprised if either was a Harvest Boost considering we have so many crops with that buff.

[neat vortex]

Maybe this is my selfish perspective as someone long past level 10 gardening (which is about when Quality Boost starts being less valuable than harvest boost) but I sorta hope they aren't quality boosters. 👉 👈

2x2 crops are already a major pain to fit into a layout and keep watered/weeded; it would help if they would at least give a persistently useful buff to the crops around them.

Now that they made it easier for new players to get all 9 soil plots, level 10 comes relatively quickly.

[slow flame]

Hi. Someone have a picture about one garden for begginers?

Tysm

[neat vortex]

Sure! How many soil plots do you have right now? More is better, but let's work with what you have :)

(maximum number is 9)

[slow flame]

Oh dw about that im almost have the initial but. Probably im gonna get the nine fast. I like the gardening in the game

[neat vortex]

Okay, for 9 plots then! Is this for cooking, crop accomplishments, or making money, as the main thing you want?

[slow flame]

Yes. Make money.
My goal is create a house

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you?

[slow flame]

Very low 2-3

[neat vortex]

Okay, here's what I suggest: while you build up to having 9 soil plots, put this one on every plot:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1_CROPS-RBkPTOTPBkR

Then, once you have all 9 soil plots, you can either do this one... I call it the Bullseye
(original layout concept by Khan the Windseeker, crop tweaks by me)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HTOBkCrRORP-BkPTRCrRTOBk-OBkP.HRCrTPRO-TRBkPCrOBkRT-PTPRCrRPBkP-TRBkOCrPBkRT-ORPTCrRP.HBkO-BkOTRCrRTPBk-PRORCrBkOTP.H

(wheat instead of corn is also OK; the fertilizer on the corners is optional if you can't make it yet)

Or, if you are willing to buy some fertilizer, here is another option, originally made by Lucas Dylan, but I put in onions.
(Some may find the patterns on this one easier.)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.3_D-111-111-111_CR-P.HBkRTOWRBkP-PBkRTOWRBkP-PBkR.YTOWRBkP-WBkTPORTBkW-WBkTPORTBkW-WBkTPORTBkW-RBkPWOTP.YBkR.H-RBkPWOTP.YBkR.H-RBkPWOTP.YBkR.H

Technically, carrots produce a little more gold if you are ONLY gardening, but

• Onions are used for several focus foods, and also for epic fish poke bowl parties, which are a very good way to make gold.

• Corn allows you to join parties for fish tacos.
• Rice allows you to join sashimi and sushi parties.
• Wheat is used a lot in focus foods.
• Bok choy, potatoes, and tomatoes are cash crops.

Save your starred crops until you reach gardening level 5 and can craft seed makers, then use some of them to make starred seeds: enough to replant your garden 3-4 times, at first. After that, as soon as you can, plant only starred seeds.

Also, process whatever you don't want to keep into seeds before selling.

When you reach level 8 and unlock the preserves jar, put everything extra in the jars that can go in them EXCEPT bok choy and potatoes. Those are still better as seeds. :)

But, make sure to make your replanting seeds and save whatever you want to keep for cooking or other uses before you go selling stuff. :D

Once we know more about the new crops coming with the update today, this advice may change!

[neat vortex]

Here you go, posted some ideas for you :)

[slow flame]

Oh thanks so so much. For your time and pictured. Really kind

[floral talon]

Quality up is complely useless

[zinc geyser]

Yeah. Especially once you're gardening skill is high enough, you're more likely to get starred crops

[floral talon]

And lower levels dont understand gardening enuf to make actual use of it 😭

[opaque barn]

I'm hoping the new crops will have speed gro buffs, which we haven't gotten yet as a crop boost. I know it would be kind of overpowered, but they will be kind of late game acquisitions right? At least the game as it is

[floral talon]

No chance speedygrow is still bugged

[opaque barn]

It's bugged? How so?

[zinc geyser]

I was surprised to see that lettuce is not available in this update. Especially since we got a few seeds back as a login reward for 2024 Father's Day.

[floral talon]

Ikr like they forgot about them

[opaque barn]

I'm not sure I would like lettuce, it would be too easy for me to mix it up with napa cabbage when replanting

[frail escarp]

We'll get another batch of ghost lettuce for sure for sure

[opaque barn]

Unless they somehow made the model for it look super different. Like if it was one of the purply lettuces

[floral talon]

The bugged model rn is super pretty though

[neat vortex]

See above :)

They tried to fix it multiple times. I suspect the only reason it's even still obtainable at all is because one quest requires it if you choose a certain dialogue option.

[clear kindle]

not going to lie, i honestly think i'm going to come back and play palia for a bit which means i'm going to have to take down my garden and plant the new crops to get the achievements

[neat vortex]

You use the 4-apple diamond layout currently, right?

[clear kindle]

yep, and unless these pumpkins and beans are completely afk, i'm going right back to it afterwards

[neat vortex]

This should make them afkable, as they are 2x2 multi-harvest #🌱│gardening message

not too far off your current garden either

[clear kindle]

i don't need gold. the apple layouts got me up to 999,999 gold and i only spend 100,000 when i need to get rid of the gold for the next batch

[neat vortex]

(if you were looking for suggestions, maybe you weren't, sorry XD)

[clear kindle]

just wish they told us what they are buff wise

[neat vortex]

same...

[floral talon]

once i know what hte new crops buffs are i make some layouts gotto try to find out if i get something better hten me apple layouts

wait why would i have to wait to make those layouts im the master layout maker i can do that rn 😄 prototype experiment layout im on my way

mh depending on what hte buffs are i cna alter those apple blueberry layouts

making layouts without the garden plkanner havign the plants in em is way harder then i thought

[frail escarp]

I should've provided placeholders

[floral talon]

wait ur hte maker of layoutplanner i love that thing its the best

[frail escarp]

thank you i made it cause i was completely stupid at garden planning

now I got talented people like you and Ren doing the work for me

[floral talon]

awh tnx but i couldnt do it without ur planner infact i use that thing to figure out how the mechanics even work

[neat vortex]

Trust me, I would NOT be able to this manually; I am absolutely terrible at Sudoku and similar puzzles. The instant cross-checking saves my life regularly.

[floral talon]

i can do it manually its just an absolute paint o do it that way especially as i would have to manually science out how it works

[neat vortex]

I'd just use peppers as the placeholder tbh; that way nothing is relying on their buff (if you ignore QU)

[frail escarp]

If only we had the buffs though

Back with the Apple/Blueberry change, the planner was able to switch things up during maintenance so we could plan while waiting

[floral talon]

i can science it out tomorrow or the day after tops

science layout ready

one side is ferted to make the fert count the amount of days for me cuz i will forget nonstop
and then i can know the yields of with and without boost

i will intentionally keep almost everything empty to keep things simple

[frail escarp]

Won't be able to update the planner with the new crops immediately since it's late here. Will work to have them up within a day though so stay tuned

[floral talon]

il dump my info in here about hte new crops when i got it unless i get beaten to it so u can ask here for it

[mystic skiff]

Oh my pumpkin where are you. 😭

[slate kelp]

Hi, SpeedGro are fixed ? '-'

[floral talon]

why woudl they be

[slate kelp]

It's an existing fonctionnality but bugged

[floral talon]

i mean i read no patchnotes about em trying to fix it but they would have to reprogram alot fo gartdening and i doubt they will do that cuz it could corrupt stuff thats already planted

[obtuse solar]

what is this buff thats popping up while im watering

[floral talon]

the water progress bar?

[obtuse solar]

no up under my player name

[floral talon]

oh thats the bugged icon means something buggy is going on

[obtuse solar]

oh interesting

it was only while i was watering so ig there must be something going on with that

[floral talon]

ik its the icon they use when stuff is bugged cuz uhm long story

duhscapes report progress is being made in the elderwoods still no pumpkin or bean seeds obtained

[neat vortex]

Known issue mentioned in patch notes - it's leftover debugging something or other

basically dev-only stuff that got left in by accident

[obtuse solar]

oh i see, thank you

[shy ingot]

what’s the best to plant for coins? tomatoes?

[last pendant]

What's the time for beans?

[restive yoke]

Are there any new plot layouts including the new crops? 👀

[floral talon]

there will be by the end of the week rn i havent gotten any seeds so i cant send what they do to the plannermaker

[restive yoke]

Nice! In the case it helps, I have some ||Batterfly Beans|| so far which || boost harvest ||. I believe these are 2x2 (wouldn't fit in a single spot). If I get the other one I'll let you know

[mystic skiff]

So how do I got about finding this?

[restive yoke]

I just saw them, kind of like the flowers, and picked them up

[floral talon]

ty thats usefull info

@frail escarp kiya has some info a few messages up here

[mint sandal]

Do we know what buffs the pumpkins give? I see the beans have been found

[floral talon]

no info yet il play some more tomorrow XD might do questing first

[mystic skiff]

We're getting husbandry. 😭 I'm gonna be able to open my own grocery goods store with all the veggies and animal goods 🤣

[floral talon]

yey(but uhm will it be a seperate skill or not)

[mystic skiff]

I hope it's own thing more to level up, but Seems adjacent so it could be naturally fit together. I hope it means we can mill the wheat and corn, so I don't have to keep buying them from zekim

[floral talon]

i mean we do already have windmills so its kidna weird they dotn do anything windmilly

[mystic skiff]

Ooh if we get chickens do we feed them our veggy scraps. Omg it would be so cute. 😭