🌱│gardening

[clear kindle]

yep, which is why harvest boost is important on the apple trees and why preserve jars are the preferred way to make money off of the apples

[frigid venture]

i only have 3 apples from a request. i cant make a honey lure or seeds

[proud mica]

how do i get blueberries?

[manic meteor]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Blueberry_Bush_Seed#Obtained_From

[vernal osprey]

Does anyone know what harvest boost 18 means?

Okay that's what I thought! A friend was asking and I was almost sure that's what that meant lol thank you!!

[frigid venture]

I have to request apples 3 more times or attempt to get to level 10, and figure out how to earn medals before I can get a tree seed.

[neat vortex]

If you talk to Badruu once you hit level 10, he will hand you an apple seed

In fact, if you haven't been talking to him all along, make sure you go do that, lotsa free seeds for you :)

[neat vortex]

more options
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Apple_Tree_Seed#Obtained_From

[frigid venture]

ive been talking to everyone but it seems like it takes AGES

[neat vortex]

Gifts help speed things up! But I just mean that each time you level up gardening, he will have seeds for you.

[frigid venture]

why are apples so hard?

[neat vortex]

Endgame crop :)

[frigid venture]

makes sense

how do you get medals?

[neat vortex]

But ironically they're only middling for (solo processing) profit. Their major benefit is that they reduce the amount of replanting labor.

[neat vortex]

Upon reaching level 10, you can earn 100 medals each week via 3 weekly challenges (the gardening ones are super easy), and you also earn 10 medals each time you gain a level in that skill.

But like I said, you get handed an apple seed at level 10, no medals required.

[frigid venture]

ugggggh lol

[neat vortex]

If you haven't been given this message link yet, it might help? ("how to level gardening" tips) #🌱│gardening message
But yes, leveling gardening is slow. It's a persistence thing.

[frigid venture]

thats a lot, and thanks. this is more of a casual thing for me, i was just wanting lures for bugs and stuff

[frigid venture]

what yields the best for xp? like.. multi harvest crops like tomatoes? i dont mean like the crops yield different xp amounts

[floral talon]

ok so all crops yield the same xp/tile/growthtick

this means that u need a layout that keeps growing the most
water retain longer duration growing plants weedblock and synced reszeeding times help alot with that if u dont check back nonstop

im not sure if getting starred produce increases xp though

[frigid venture]

thats why i was thinking multi yield crops like tomatoes?

become a tom farmer lol

[floral talon]

it all the same but with tomatoes cuz they need alot of harvesting ur more likely ot miss a harvest though

[frigid venture]

does it matter when you harvest them?

[floral talon]

as soon as possible so u wont miss a growthhtick having htem idling and they can keep growing

[frigid venture]

thats fair. i dont get to play often though

[floral talon]

harvestboost doesn tmatter for just xp though incase u just want xp simplyfying layouts for xp alot/reducing fertiliser

[neat vortex]

no difference

[floral talon]

note to self make a max stickerpack layout

[frigid venture]

Just trying to grind to level 10 for apples. 😪

[floral talon]

oh no if only there was a place that could give you the best layouts and strategies for hte job

[past hare]

how much hydro do you need for the full apple cycle?

[floral talon]

tree lasts a total of 30growthticks times 9 tiles so 270 per tree

but u water it once at start and u dont care if at the last harvest its still watered so 252

[neat vortex]

but weeds will pause growth/"unwater" the tree, so you have to check on it unless you weedblock it

[floral talon]

^ that toi and if u miss out on harvesting it will unwater when it was harvestable

[neat vortex]

yep

[neat vortex]

For XP reasons, no, it does not matter. The XP won't degrade if they sit idle, or anything. But obviously plants sitting idle aren't accumulating XP by working toward the next harvest. This is more about making the most of the playtime you DO have. For you, multi-harvest may make the most sense if you can hop on for just a short time occasionally, as it will reduce the number of times you'll need to replant/till/etc.

(so, less of your limited playtime being used for replanting labor)

What level gardening are you right now?

[frigid venture]

5 I think? I'm not sure. And I'm not on at the moment.

[lofty nest]

this is gonna sound weird maybe but for some reason i am NEVER getting regular crops. i'm using regular (not star quality) seeds, i've tried not using any fertilizer, but for like 3 months now.. EVERY single crop is star quality

which is a nightmare for cooking -- anyone have any tips on what i'm doing wrong?

[harsh hazel]

Are you growing a bunch of cotton

[icy olive]

I just discovered this as well and came here to confirm LOL

[neat vortex]

Are you level 38 or higher? If so, it's all star produce from here on out.

[neat vortex]

For cooking, you'll just need to make sure to always check "use starred ingredients." If there is any ingredient you don't have any starred stuff for, it will let you use your unstarred (it will just check for eligible starred items first). Any starred items you don't want to use (dari, heat root...) can be placed in your lockbox.

If you want to keep unstarred backup around for the inevitable oopsies (when someone forgets to check the box), you can buy a few of each of everything except for fruit and peppers from Badruu's farm stand.

Unfortunately, the only way to get unstarred fruit and peppers past level 38 is randomly from the rummage piles or by requesting from other players.

[lofty nest]

oh yep that's 100% it.. i'm like level 47ish

that's obnoxious. yeah i've had to buy regular quality from zeki for everything but blueberries and apples, and i've been requesting those

[lofty nest]

i haven't seen the option to cook when i'm missing ingredients! usually the button's greyed out if i don't have everything

[floral talon]

Just only cook starred and when u want to preserve your starred foragabkes lockbox those

Maybe i should make a suggestion to make starred preferred default

[neat vortex]

You have to check the checkbox for "use starred ingredients" and then it should allow you to start the recipe

[lofty nest]

yeah but when i don't have ALL ingredients in star quality, i've never been able to select to start

and finding heat root or cloves and things in star quality is awful

[crisp grove]

Someone else posted about this on the Palia reddit months ago and we were all so confused because logically I can't figure out what's going wrong. Even if you don't have "all star ingredients" you can still (or should be able to) mix and match. Like for me, I make cakes all the time with starred blueberries but regular sweet leaf, I never have starred sweet leaf because it doesn't really spawn a bunch. I never have issues starting the recipe with starred blueberries and using regular sweet leaf.

I wonder if you're running into the issue where, you have SOME starred ingredients of something but not enough starred for the recipe -- remove your lacking starred ingredients from your storage (put in lockbox) so it pulls from your normal stash of the ingredients

[neat vortex]

Can you take a screenshot of this, please, the next time you see it? We've had a number of people report this issue, but haven't been able to get an idea of what could be going on

(note: I am a regular player, just very curious and wanting to help the folks running into this issue if I can)

[frigid venture]

what crafter do i need to make fertilizer?

[crisp grove]

You can buy some types fertilizer or you can get other types by making worms in the worm farms (so the crafter would be the worm farms, regular or glow worm)

[neat vortex]

"some starred ingredients of something" - this might be it, for those recipes that need 2 of something, like chapaa masala or apple pie. If you have 2 starred apples and 1 unstarred apple, you can't chop apples because the algorithm will look for starred version, find it, but then fail the "has enough" check. (You can still start the recipe, though; it will just give you the "you don't have anything, someone else will have to do the missing step" warning)

[crisp grove]

When I trying to mess around and replicate this problem a couple months ago that Synthentic described, this is what I thought people may have been running into and I experienced the same error you've described here, but the folks who have the error Synthetic is describing say they can't start AT ALL. Ran through the gamut of basics -- are you the right level, do you have enough stations, etc. It was always yes, so I'm hoping Synthetic can provide screenshots because the Reddit folks never did and it's hard to imagine this issue without visually seeing what's preventing them from hitting start.

[neat vortex]

Same!

Are there any recipes that need multiple of one item in the starting ingredients...?

[crisp grove]

I can't think of any right now... But I am very curious again and really want to see what the issue is lol

[versed swift]

Does anyone know how to get more soil plots? I currently have only four on my land, and I'm at level 10. The guild store says I've reached my limit, and I've also bought extra crafting licenses—but I'm not sure if that was necessary.

[whole atlas]

You can max get 9 plots of soil right now. Nothing more.

[versed swift]

Thats my issue, I only own 4

[whole atlas]

eh? You sure u dont have any soil plots in your chest?

I only got that message when i got the my 9th plot

[versed swift]

Yeah I'm sure, I've checked my storage multiple times :/

[whole atlas]

hmm... Ill use my trap card and summon @neat vortex Im sure if anyone knows, he will.

[kindred hamlet]

Have you logged out, closed client and logged back in to see if they re-generate? I know someone else had this issue earlier in gen chat

[versed swift]

I have restarted multiple times with no change :/

[kindred hamlet]

!support I recommend reporting it, the other person who has this issue has not updated us if they were able to resolve it

[compact coral]

Here's a link to the Player Support: http://support.palia.com/

[whole atlas]

I have an idea, but idk if it works. Try to verify your files on steam after closing the game.

[neat vortex]

I have some thoughts but in a fast-moving party rn, will check back in in 20 min if y'all haven't solved yet

garlic chopping waits for no man

[whole atlas]

Is there maybe a quest u havent done yet?

[versed swift]

Unless its a level 3+ villager quest with Badruu I don't think so

Alright, I did a fresh reinstall of the game and that seems to have fixed it! Thanks for the help :)

[whole atlas]

I mean, youre welcome? 😂 Didnt really do anything tbh

[versed swift]

Well you tried to help lol

[whole atlas]

Always 😄

[kindred hamlet]

Thank you for telling us it was resolved!! Now we can help others!

[compact river]

how in the [BLEEP] did that fix it.

i have a MIGHTY NEED to study palia's SPAGHETTI CODE.

[neat vortex]

I'm glad you were able to fix this with a reinstall! It looks like the store data had gotten glitched, since it wasn't listing the item name. o_O

For anyone else searching with a similar issue of not being able to purchase all 9 soil plots:

There are no unlock requirements - beyond being able to access the gardening guild store and having the gold - to purchase soil plots. They don't take up crafter slots, either, so you don't need crafter licenses.

Other times people have run into this kind of thing (when it wasn't the store glitched), some solutions have been...

• found the soil in storage,
• found them in safe storage
• they were placed on another plot or somewhere hidden on the main plot (you get a free second housing slot when you finish building your house).
• plots ended up glitched on top of each other, and had to be moved apart and then placed again.

But in all of the above cases, the store also correctly displayed the name of the item to purchase.

[harsh hazel]

I have a mighty need to own more than 9 plots 😭 I just want to fill a whole plot with plants I love gardening so much

[floral talon]

imagine having 100+soils XD

[crisp grove]

So much apple jam 😍

But so much watering. And so many fertilizer.

[floral talon]

i want to fill an entire plot with soils XD it would be soo cool

[floral talon]

uhm i would go for a lazy layout wiht that though probs gonna run into issues with producing enuff apple seeds

oh and of course the weedbug would then still exist so everything needs to be weed proofed even helper plants ...

[harsh hazel]

There’s a weed bug??

[neat vortex]

Yeah, if you have 9 weeds on your crops and it tries to spawn a 10th, your crops can regress (grow backwards instead of progressing)

Unless you interact with your garden (water, weed, till, or harvest) at least once per growth tick(?) or once before you log out... I forget

[floral talon]

seeing em ungrow themselves is so weird

[kindred hamlet]

That sounds like real gardening tbh. If there are too many weeds my plants start shrinking.

[floral talon]

player support was like YOUR SUPPOSED TO WEED UR WEEDS it aint gonna get fixed
and magic chapaa dust got sprinkled on it

[neat vortex]

lol yeah can you imagine if you could magically get to a certain amount of weeds in a real garden and then leave them on purpose so no more would grow?

[floral talon]

idk how real gardening works XD but thats how i run my actual garden eventually no more weeds will grow cuz they filled the entire thing

uhm i mean i run an eco friendly all natural low maintenance garden 😄

[kindred hamlet]

You can!! Dandelions are considered weeds! But if there is not enough soil space for roots, or ilnot enough nutrients in the surrounding area, the weeds will stop growing all together. They will steal nutrients from intentionally planted plants, but once that's gone, they have nothing to go on

[floral talon]

scorched earth for the win

[harsh hazel]

Ohhh okay yeah I garden daily

[neat vortex]

Interesting!

[floral talon]

weeds useless plants that are good at being plants

-creates max fert using layout for afk 6 apples- -runs out o ffert-

[stable ginkgo]

Ok I have a really crazy idea. I’ve heard Duhscape talk about the reverse growing of plants and don’t know how it works entirely. But is it possible you could harvest a multicrop plant and then have it reverse grow to get apples without having to wait 6 hours. Or once you harvest it does it go to the next cycle and can’t get back past that barrier?

Probably doesn’t work this way but thought I’d throw out the question.

[floral talon]

no it doesnt save that it grew if ur outside plot or am on it and leave but if u harvest it does save it sadly i would so exploit it if that was hte case

[stable ginkgo]

Darn it

[floral talon]

so yeay its a bug where having to many weeds ruins the auto save on it

i think it tries to spawn a weed bnut then goes over max alocated memory

strangely this only does not hap[pen if uy stay on your plot as it doesnt save it yet but does render the growth

[waxen yew]

What do you guys feed your worms? I don’t have a super meta farm set up going, but I primarily do blueberries, mountain morels, or sweet leaf. Morels and sweet leaf are so abundant, I’ll just pick any up when I see them, which slowly builds up a big stock pile.

[crisp grove]

Pickled potato or tomato, gives nice amount of glow worms and harvest boost fertilizers for low cost overall, both are easy to grow and don't take long to preserve

I'll also do excess Sernuk, Chapaa, and Muujin meat when I haven't kept up on my gardening in between apple cycles.

[lofty nest]

alright, so first round -- i only have the 1 pepper unstarred but have like 60 star quality. if i start a recipe unstarred i get these warnings, it won't let me cut up a star quality pepper, it acts like it doesn't exist

scenario 2 which is my usual (not produce but same thing) just a total grey button lol when i DO have star ingredients

i've /never/ been able to mix and match. every time i cook it's either all regular or all star.

[neat vortex]

I'm confused, so in the second screenshot on the catfish dinner, when you checked "use starred ingredients," the Make button looks yellow to me.

[lofty nest]

yeah, because i have all starred ingredients

but in the first screenshot what you guys describe to me is i should still be able to hit make and just use one in place of the other if i don't have all regular or all star?

but if i don't have all star, or all regular, my make button is just.. greyed out

[neat vortex]

For the first one, if you check "use starred," what happens?

[lofty nest]

i have all star ingredients right now so it'd go through fine

i'm not missing anything /currently/ -- i've been using all my requests for regular quality fruits i haven't been able to grow

[neat vortex]

I would also be curious what happens when you lock up all of your starred forageables (dari, heat root, sweet leaf, spice sprouts) and try this one again

Okay, here's how it goes when I try. I have

• zero available UNstarred onions right now
• 1 starred catfish
• I have unstarred tomatoes, but no starred
• all of my starred spices are in locked storage

Here's without "use starred" checked:

Since I have no unstarred fish and starred isn't checked, I cannot start the recipe.

Let me go get an unstarred catfish...

Okay, now I have an unstarred catfish

It will let me start the recipe without the checkbox for starred ingredients, but warns me that I don't have all of the ingredients, because I have no UNstarred onions. If I tried to cook this alone, the recipe would fail, because I have no unstarred onions to chop.

If I click "use starred," it swaps to the starred catfish I have, lets me use the unstarred tomatoes I have, and also uses my starred onions

[lofty nest]

yeah the warning was new to me, i'd only seen it today. in the past it's always been greyed, like if i cook with friends they would have to start the recipe

[neat vortex]

If I make the starred catfish unavailable (place it down as decor), then go back to the stove..

[lofty nest]

WEIRD, interesting.

[neat vortex]

With "use starred ingredients" checked, I get...

• uses my unstarred fish
• uses my unstarred spices and tomatoes
• uses my starred onions
  A-OK

[neat vortex]

Phoenixfire Relleno is a little weird because it does require TWO peppers (though they don't have to be prepped at the same time)

What you have to do there, if you only have one of each, is check "use starred." It will tell you you "don't have" one of the ingredients, because the game will find the one starred pepper you have and then stop looking, so it won't "see" the unstarred one.

But if you start the recipe anyway, it will force you to chop the starred one first, BUT then will let you use the unstarred one.

[crisp grove]

Sorry, all of Ren's replies loaded after I responded. They probably covered it already lol

Okay after reading it seems like the issue is the use of the starred ingredients button.

[neat vortex]

Expanded my reply about the Phoenixfire

To tie all this together, basically how it seems to work on the back end is that when you are going to start a recipe, the game looks for each ingredient, first in your bags, then in your storage.

• If "use starred" is checked, it looks for starred ingredients in: 1) bag 2) regular storage. If it finds starred versions of the ingredient, it stops.

• THEN if it finds ZERO of that ingredient in star quality, it proceeds to look for UNstarred versions in 3) bag 4) regular storage.

If "use starred" is not checked, it only checks for unstarred ingredients.

[crisp grove]

Yep this seems right to me based on how the ingredients pull.

It seems like the issue is resolved by 1) checking the starred ingredients box and 2) removing problematic/lacking starred ingredients all together so it doesn't try to "find" them

[floral talon]

ren im now looking up guides on weeds u can eat
my god if that stuff wasnt so gross we be doing agriculture wrong
not sure why youtube started to randomly recommend that to me

[neat vortex]

lmao I just realized we're having this in-depth conversation about cooking UI mechanics in the gardening channel, and yet it is still relevant

[crisp grove]

It is relevant lol! And @lofty nest, thanks for the screenshots! It really helped understand what was happening and why you and many others had the feedback they had to have "all starred" to do a recipe

[floral talon]

yes cooking is very relevant for what to grow

[neat vortex]

What's curious to me is the "warning was new to me" part

[lofty nest]

i've legit been playing since 2023 and i've NEVER had that warning before

it's always greyed out if i don't have all of the same type

[crisp grove]

So in the pics you shared, it's grayed out because you did not select starred ingredients which is what you did have enough of, and you were short regular ingredients

[lofty nest]

even when i did check starred ingredients in the past, is what i'm saying. i've literally never had that warning, the button has been grey if i don't have all regular, or all starred. there was never an in between

[neat vortex]

I wonder what changed this time?

[lofty nest]

i don't do much cooking anymore, i'm lazy and buy reth's bouillabaisse for focus and just turn all my crops into pickle/preserves for cash. i really just came here curious to know why i was only getting star quality crops regardless of my gardening methods lol

sorry to take us all down a weird side rabbit hole!

[crisp grove]

Once you hit lvl 25gardening (I think) it's all star crops mostly. Maybe some regular here or there

[lofty nest]

yeah that's what Ren said this morning!

[neat vortex]

38 with unstarred seeds, 25 with starred seeds

[lofty nest]

yeah i've been confused for MONTHS like ??? what am i doing it wrong, is it my hoe?!

[neat vortex]

XD

[crisp grove]

No it's actually very good bc this is a somewhat re-occuring complaint

And as Ren and I suspected, it's somewhat user error so it'll be easy to give ppl solutions for it

[neat vortex]

Yes, we've had at least three or four people come in in the past month or two, distressed that their unstarred crops are getting scarcer.

Personally, I think this part of the cooking UI needs help, and the back end might need to be updated to be a little smarter, too

[crisp grove]

Agreed on that. I kept wondering why I was losing dari cloves when making poke and it's because of that bag-search method.

[floral talon]

poeple wanting unstarred crops is more of a cooking problem gifting aside
in reality u always want starredcrops otuside of gifting just dont forget to click the allow starred button (whic really should turn into a prefer unstarred button) ...

[neat vortex]

ALSO I think the REGULAR WORKBENCH needs a gd "use starred" checkbox so you can't accidentally craft a gd starred Duskwing into a buzzy jar 😭

[neat vortex]

"just don't forget" is bad design imo

[crisp grove]

I think it does the very first time you ever use it and then never again

I remember clicking yes or okay to using starred apples for lures and then never again lol

[neat vortex]

Because we are human, and it's easy to forget, and then the recipe WILL fail if no one has that singular ingredient in unstarred quality

[floral talon]

my solution to not forgetting it is not owning enuff unstarred stuff so i cant start almost all recipes without clicking the box ...

[neat vortex]

lol yeah, locking your unstarred blueberries is a good move 😂

and unstarred fish

(if you're cooking fish for profit, I mean)

[surreal verge]

Is there a place to see all the different gardening layouts compiled in one place/document rather than scroll through the channel?

[clear kindle]

not really, the best you can probably do if you don't want to scroll through all of the conversations is to go to the search tab here and search in:garden has: image. still have to scroll through about 2,145 images but it's just posts that have pictures attached to them

[quartz fossil]

Could we start a thread for that? I just hopped in here because I had been thinking I'd like to post my layout as an option for people who don't want to come up with their own.

[floral talon]

On my own discord server i keep a library
Request what u need and il pull some from there xd

[neat vortex]

I've been thinking about some kind of gallery/database with tags and stuff (specify minimum percentages water/weed/HB/QU; whether any types of fertilizer are allowed; whether it accommodates trees or bushes and how many; etc.)

but I have no idea how one would go about doing that

[surreal verge]

I'd really love to see a layout that incorporates rice, potatoes and napa cabbage, if it's not too much trouble preferably one of those water retention layouts where you don't have to water them regularly. I know it's a really specific ask so no worries if you can't find it

[floral talon]

Without weedblock ow with?

[surreal verge]

Any will do! I haven't gotten the achievement for plucking 1000 weeds yet so I'm fine with weeds!

[floral talon]

change same buff type crops for the ones you want
thi sis literly thje first layout i ever made XD super ez request

[low remnant]

Does anybody have a garden layout that doesn't require too much care? Perhaps, something that doesn't require too much watering effort

[floral talon]

btw if ur low level u may want some cotton in ti aswell to help with quality up at low level is the best time to plant cotton as its buff is still usefull

[floral talon]

yeay i got like 30 of em

[surreal verge]

Woah, thank you so much! Also yeah, I'm still pretty low level, I haven't hit Gardening 7 yet, so I don't have too many star crops. Does the 100% water retention work even with unstarred crops?

[low remnant]

are they here in this channel ?

[floral talon]

yeay but unstarred is just 50% less moneys and less good for cooking

[floral talon]

no i save em on mny own discord server
gonna do something else will help again laters

[floral talon]

do u need a low level layout library?

[low remnant]

Ooohhh thank you :3

I'll check here in a sec. I actually wanted something apples to be honest

[floral talon]

i mean if ur more specific what u want i got one for that to or i can make it

[low remnant]

I'll let u know here in a sec. Just finishing a work call ahah

give me like 10 / 15 mins

[light seal]

ok so i know a tilled spot with no plant un-tills after 48 hrs... but is there any chance planting stuff and harvesting speeds that process up or is it still 48 hrs no matter what? have a dirt plot with one singular tilled space that wont go away and it's holding up my entire construction projects cause i can't switch it to a dif plot....

[crisp grove]

Is totally tilled or is there one little corner waiting to be filled out? Might be worth going over it with the hoe again just to make sure there's not a tiny piece missing from making it completely tilled

[light seal]

they are totally tilled ive been planting carrots in em to try and speed the process up but not sure if that has any effect on how fast it de-tills

[crisp grove]

Hmmm hopefully one of the garden pros comes in soon

[floral talon]

oh the famous invisible fertiliser

you have to plant a crop on it to see the invisible fertiliser

[light seal]

there was no fertilizer like i said i've been planting carrots for a few days now to try and clear it up

[floral talon]

oh so the problem is not that after 48 irl hours it hasnt reverted

nah its after 48 irl hours that it will revert to untilled unles it has a crop on it then u need to remove that first by harvesting or rclick hoe

[light seal]

ok so having a plant on it doesnt change the timer any... okies thanks for verifying

[floral talon]

u must however not have invisible feriliser on it if u want to pick up a soil though

[light seal]

ya im just waiting for the last two slots to de-till then so i can pick it up... rly wish they'd let us just de-till already

[floral talon]

nah tilling gives usefull items though untilling urself would be to OP

[light seal]

ahhhhhh hrm hadn't considered that

[floral talon]

it has finally happened i duhscape the gardening layout maker need this channels help on making a layout
maximum tryhard(water retain and weedblock not required) cotton (fert allowed only if its worth the bang for its buck so no 81 fert nonsense)
purpose of layout quickstockup on cotton/fabric if needed so other layouts do not need cotton weaved in

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCoCoCoCoCrCoCo-CoCoCoCrCoCrCoCoCo-CoCrCoCoCoCoCoCoCr-CoCoCrCoCoCoCoCrCo-CoCoCoCoCrCoCoCoCo-CrCoCoCoCoCoCoCrCo-CoCoCoCrCoCoCoCoCr-CrCoCrCoCoCoCoCoCo-CoCoCoCoCoCrCrCoCo

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these are the best ones i got atm

now back to making sticker farmer layout

[vast shore]

I wish there were seperate garden soil options for different types. Like the 3×3 for crops like normal, but then a 2×2 option for the bush types (Peppers & Blueberries) and an option like a 3×3 tree soil plot..

[floral talon]

Yeay we cant even make certain layouts minmaxed cuz of 3x3

[neat vortex]

The bushes definitely pose a pretty thorny challenge

And blueberries don't even have thorns 🙁

[floral talon]

and i want a commercial no buff giving plant pure moneys baby

[floral talon]

i present most lazy maximum stickers layout

[floral talon]

now to make one slightly less lazy .... and higher yield for other stuff

[quasi briar]

You will have 100% efficiency, since there is no crops to lazy the production

[floral talon]

its even fertless that layout above XD
but seriously no plants is faster untilling means more tilling and tilling is good stickerpacks

think il tomorrow test a way to place down fertiliser faster making more lazy layouts possible

[past kraken]

https://tenor.com/view/look-away-simpson-bashful-embarrassed-marge-gif-18295722249295258309

[floral talon]

are we sure harvesting dont give sticker packs?

[pulsar haven]

whats the best layout to get the most outta the crops like,,, harvest wise

[floral talon]

lots of harvest buff so its 100%harvestboosted giving 50% more

if ur lower level quality up can help to

[pulsar haven]

so like this one i need 100 harvest boost and star qual?

[neat vortex]

What level gardening are you?

[pulsar haven]

15

[neat vortex]

Alright, cool, so you still benefit from qualityup for sure

What crops do you want to grow?

[pulsar haven]

i wanna do like,,, all of them cause i like to cook :3

[neat vortex]

Awesome! Here is one possible option:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HCbPBkBBPBB-O.HTRBkCb.HBkRTO-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-T.HPWBkC.HBkWPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPWBkC.HBkWPT.H-CrOP.HTBk.HTP.HOCr-OTRBkCb.HBkRTO.H-SpSpP.HSpSpBk.HP.HCb.HC.H

This is a "some of everything" AFK garden layout, with an emphasis on harvest boost. It does use some fertilizer to get the harvest boost buff to 100%, but the apple tree and the bushes will still keep all 3 buffs even if you don't use it.

I also have a version of this with 2 apple trees, if you are interested.

You CAN sub in cotton for some or all of the corn, or the outer rice/wheat, but at your level, and especially since it's mostly for cooking, I wouldn't insist on it.

If you need starred crops particularly, make sure you use all starred seeds, which will bump your star rate to 80%. Optionally, you can use QualityUp fertilizer to bring the star rate up to 100%. QU can be crafted OR obtained in bulk by feeding your worms sweet things like blueberry jam.

@pulsar haven sorry forgot to ping you

[neat vortex]

For this layout, potatoes,and bok choy are in there as cash crops, since they aren't used as often in cooking (especially the bok choy), but are good money when processed and sold as seeds.

If you want a higher proportion of onions and/or carrots, the weedblock crops can be swapped around to make e.g., onions the 12-tile crop, instead.

Also, huh, TIL there is no "quality cotton harvester" accomplishment

[mint sandal]

#🌱│gardening message

[vast shore]

Speaking in terms of best money makers (hoping this will still qualify as a gardening question lol) which is better to sell - seeds or turn them into some sort of a pickled product?

[crisp grove]

It depends on the product, some items are more valuable as seeds per number of items sold and some are valuable as jams or pickled products per number of items sold. There's some spreadsheets/etc someone where in here.

[vast shore]

Ill have to do some digging 😊 thank you

[floral talon]

Jar except bokchoi/potatoe
cant jar seed
Cotton selfvuse fabric
Exception cooking/gifting/crafting self use

This assumes ur not constrained by crafter time when u are it becomes a massive excel sheet to answer

[floral talon]

today i learned oystermeat is for worms cuz its not needed for much other things

[mint sandal]

I did that the other day cause I realized I had almost 200 and not using them anyways

[neat vortex]

They are in the category of 11g/16g items that gain +29g in value in a glow worm farm due to output minimums and breakpoints

[floral talon]

and while u cant le oystermeats for that price theres is a excess

no way im cooking 103 oyster dishes lmao

[slow flame]

Is there a simple layout that makes decent money and is also afk-able for 9 plots? I feel like I'm constantly running in-between my crops every day trying to remember where I should put the potatoes and where I should put the carrots while referencing my schematic and it's all a bit much for me.

[urban prairie]

I specifically wanted a garden that grew everything, so what I do is I harvest all the potatoes and immediately replant them, then all the carrots, etc. Takes a bit longer, especially if you have to till, but I don't have to reference my layout all the time anymore

(But I'm sure other people can suggest easy and simple layouts too)

[slow flame]

Do you plant them in a certain order? Here's the schematic I'm following right now and it's... Well, it's a lot to keep track of I think.

[urban prairie]

I tried to sync up the crops at first, but weeds desynced them, so now I really just go around replanting everything that needs it every day without any particular order

[floral talon]

I do not approve that layout

[mint sandal]

It's normal to reference your plot for a little bit, it's after a couple replant that you memorize it. Here's mine. It's almost totally symmetrical so it makes replanting easier. It's 100% water retain/weedblock and you can 100% harvest boost with fertilizer if you want
Tou can obviously swap some of the many rice for more wheat or corn, I just need a lot of rice for my playstyle lol
#🌱│gardening message

[clear kindle]

and this is why i became an apple farmer. no need to worry about where things get replanted

[crisp grove]

#applegang, 9 trees, so many jams

[floral talon]

But then u have to like water and weed

[clear kindle]

4 apple trees, fully 100% afk layout

[crisp grove]

I don't mind, takes me 2 mins when I'm on the plot in between runs 🍎

Plus the jams keeps my bank account full. I don't really have to worry about making money otherwise.

[floral talon]

well then its perfect

[neat vortex]

oh, that IS a lot

[neat vortex]

If you like, you could do a one-plot layout and repeat it - maybe not even in a big square if you'd rather not

[slow flame]

Right? I think I'm gonna go for something much simpler in the future, maybe even water the crops myself omce I get a better watering can so I can focus on yield instead.

As I understand it, the final can waters 9 crops at once. That sounds pretty good to me if I can spend less time replanting this mess haha.

[neat vortex]

This one uses the top 3 crops for revenue plus onions (used in a lot of cooking) but can accommodate any single-tile crop.

[slow flame]

That one looks good! At least it has a symmetry that's easy to follow and memorize.

[neat vortex]

And then there are a number of layouts that build on that simple "same crop across" pattern

[neat vortex]

tbh this is always one of my priorities with layouts!

If it doesn't have a clear pattern to it, I can't hold onto it long enough to plant it

but if it can be broken down into smaller modules or another pattern, then it works much better for my brain

[floral talon]

id ont even know how to make a layout thats not a pattern

[slow flame]

So apparently apples are really good, right? And apparently they're really rare.

[neat vortex]

uhhhh depends

[slow flame]

I thought I would be able to buy them eventually, but reading the wiki article it seems like an endgame thing for max level gardening.

[neat vortex]

for solo processing, they are like... middling money

but they greatly reduce the work of gardening, and are key for cake parties

Well, not MAX level... you get them at/by level 10

[slow flame]

Since they're trees, do you not need to water them?

[neat vortex]

gardening endgame is level 38, max level is... 9999

[slow flame]

Oh lol, I thought max level was like 10 or something. That's reasurring to know I'll never run out of leveling!

[neat vortex]

They work similarly to other crops, but have to be touching 3 tiles that give a buff to receive it

and grow for 30 in-game days (4 harvests)

[slow flame]

I kinda dig the idea of an apple orchard to be honest. Maybe I should give it a shot!

[neat vortex]

sorry for wordy forward

on mobile rn, but this one uses the starter garden above (2 variants) plus apples

[neat vortex]

But all apples has its charms - just watch out for those sneaky weeds that like to hide in the trunk

[floral talon]

Huh i should alter mine a little to be essier to remember the pattern

Curse u ren urs is actually better then mine xd
But less afk due to crop choice

[neat vortex]

Yeah, just uses the ones that are easiest to see tbh

[floral talon]

But then why tomatoe they look like apples

[neat vortex]

because nobody is going to confuse a single-tile crop for a 9-tile crop in a layout

and they're easier to see than cabbage

[floral talon]

Uhm i confuse those nonstop xd

[neat vortex]

Also, you know how I feel about cabbage and carrots - so in the end it's purely personal bias XD

[floral talon]

I dont got carrots in any layout cuz they used to have bugs

Carrots used to not give xp
And are kinda useless xd

[neat vortex]

both of the ones you just linked use carrots, wdym?

oh, not the first one, sorry

[floral talon]

😮 i never noticed

[neat vortex]

lmao

[floral talon]

Carrot does line up nicely harvesttimewise with the rest

[neat vortex]

yeah, they do, and they're good for cabbage rolls

[slow flame]

So if I want an apple seed before level 10, do you know if they can be found in those rummage piles early?

Says on the wiki that they can be found, so I assume I can find them despite only being level 6 in farming, right?

[floral talon]

Its much faster to just go lv10 as the other ways are rng low chance or leveling bugcatching alot and then needing apples gifted or leveling villagers which takes super long

[slow flame]

True, but I figured I could go search while my crops grow anyway. I've never actually seen a rummage pile before, so maybe I've just missed them.

[floral talon]

Tiny chance at apple u need 10 for a seed poeple tend to not have many unstarred and u can only request so many
Just eat ur focusbar full and go garden

But u can still use daily zeki coin and rummage anyways as its used for getting some other things to

[neat vortex]

The villagers don't take THAT long to level, but with 9 soil plots and a self-weeding/watering layout, you will hit level 10 pretty quick. Just make sure you are spending your renown at the Phoenix Shrine (where you spawned in) to up your focus bonus % and of course keeping yourself fed as you garden, as DS said

But you might get lucky with the Lucky Box! Those can give apple seeds... very rarely. (1.15 percent chance)

Talking to villagers and giving them the daily gifts is a great way to earn renown anyway, so it does double duty

[floral talon]

Im am DS and i approve this message

[neat vortex]

This may be helpful: https://palia.th.gl/rummage-pile

There is one in Kilima and one in Bahari every RL day, resets at 4AM UTC (currently, that corresponds to midnight EDT)

[weak nimbus]

I have a question I can't seem to find an answer to!
Do I need a plant to fully grow in order for it to boost another one?
I could test it with my garden but I would prefer not to mess up my trees if that's the case @.@

[clear kindle]

the moment you plant a crop it starts to give the buff to the neighboring crops (top, sides, bottom). it will continue to give the buff until harvested. so you could leave crops in the ground (as i do for my apple trees so i just replant those) and have the buffs forever

the only time where the buff would be taken off of a neighboring plant, is if the plant that is receiving the buff (usually water buff is where i notice it the most and the receiving plant has multiple harvest) is left at harvest state for more than another growth tick. then you'll have to re-water, but if you're harvesting them and then replanting, it's not a big deal. also, you still have to water the first planting

[weak nimbus]

Oh that's brilliant thank you! That will make my planting so much easier!! I was always under the impression they didn't so I would wait until my apple trees finished their cycle and then plant any veggies I needed to top up after, then plant more trees
This will make topping up my veggies much easier

[clear kindle]

yeah, it's the way i became an apple farmer (4 apple trees with 100% water, harvest, and weed prevention). just harvest the apples and make them into jam sell the jams profit

[static nymph]

i have a question, how many times do i have to water a flow tree until it gives a seed back? ^^

[crisp grove]

I have heard it's the number of water cycles to maturity plus five more to get the flow seed, but I can't recall the exact number of water cycles it is to maturity right now.

[neat vortex]

Trees require 16 total growth ticks from planting the seed to getting a seed back. They progress on the same growth tick as the garden (i.e., they advance one step at 6AM Palia time)

• Seed to sapling: 1 growth tick
• Sapling to young tree: 2 growth ticks
• Young tree to adult tree: 3 growth ticks
• Adult tree to mature tree: 4 growth ticks
  The first growth tick after it matures, it cannot be watered.
• Mature tree to giving a seed: 5 growth ticks.

[static nymph]

tysm!!!

[thick pike]

Does anyone have recommendations on what plants are best to sell as seeds and what sells best for preserves I tried looking up online but the charts are confusing and I’m bad at maths 😅 I’d like to be gardening and selling more efficiently but don’t need to be min / maxing to the point of needing a spreadsheet. Any tips or recommendations much appreciated 🤗

[floral talon]

Jar except bokchoi/potatoe
cant jar seed
Cotton selfvuse fabric
Exception cooking/gifting/crafting self use
This assumes ur not constrained by crafter time when u are it becomes a massive excel sheet to answer

[thick pike]

Yeah not too concerned about craft times currently so this was helpful thanks 😊

[prisma vale]

Tbh
I jar everything possible except tomatoes. I make seeds out of those. Despite being done with bundle fishing, I still run my glow worm farmers for profit

[neat vortex]

Out of curiosity, why tomato seeds?

Glow worms CAN definitely be great profit, especially on the cheap stuff that almost triples or quadruples in value

[prisma vale]

Money. I think they're better when seeded?

[neat vortex]

Hm, I hadn't thought they were

[prisma vale]

I just chuck unstarred meat and rice in there 😂

Must've used something else though recently, I got a different kind of fertilizer

[neat vortex]

Probably something sweet

Hm, this is from PaliaTracker's Gold Profit tool, and it's calculating 40g per tomato (+6g added value) as seeds, and 51g per tomato (+17g added value) as preserves.
https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

My leaning for potatoes and bok choy is to seed them both, though. Bok choy nearly doubles in value as seeds, and potatoes are with 120g as seeds vs. 102g as preserves.

Bok choy can make more sense as preserves if you are mass-growing it and log a lot of playtime per IRL day/week, though, since the seeds take a while.

[slow flame]

If anyone has a blueberry seed to spare, I have a request up for one. I may have accidentally misplaced my blueberry and ended up one seed short for my layout.

Almost at level 10 now. Can't wait to get those apples going!

[slow flame]

I got one! We're in business again.

[floral talon]

i once forgot to make apple seeds again luckily still had enuff apples but that was a close one

[urban prairie]

Is there a well or something that we can build if we want to move our garden away from the pond but still have a source of water close by?

Or can I fill up my watering can in a sink like in Stardew Valley? Lol

[floral talon]

yes the well
wel its called the well

u can buy it with gardening medals

[urban prairie]

Oh, cool! I just started accumulating those medals, I'll have to take a better look at those stores

[neat vortex]

The well is one of the only guild medal furnishings that actually has a function :) (The only other ones are, arguably, the two targets you can buy with hunting medals, since you can use them for shooting practice - they light up/move when you hit the target)

[floral talon]

Apparently u can make player movers out of the dangling target

[slow flame]

Aye, I got my first apple seed!

One step closer to the orchard of my dreams...

[clear kindle]

just make sure you get harvest boost on that thing asap

[slow flame]

This should be good, right?

Not sure if I can do more for harvest boost here

[clear kindle]

yeah, for the first harvest of the tree to get you your next set of apple seeds (you need ten apples to make one seed)

[slow flame]

Yup! I'm just gonna go all in on this one tree and try to get at least 5 seeds for the next planting.

[floral talon]

so ur goal is to just keep that apple tree going right optimising the rest is less important as u didnt even fill most tiles in

[slow flame]

Yeah, I wanna get an orchard going later, probably with 5 apple trees and the rest will be setup to support them. I'll probably just plant some filler stuff around it for now!

[floral talon]

theres a better way but i have to do something else so cant remake that layout atm

[floral talon]

5apples can only have 2 buffs without fertiliser though
4 can have 3 without fert

be back in an hour

[slow flame]

That is the conundrum I've run up against, yeah. Do I want weed block, or do I want more apples per harvest?

Might be a good idea to start with 5 trees just to bolster my seed reserves and get some jams going, then move to a more afk-friendly 4 tree setup.

[clear kindle]

i find that 4 apple trees is more than enough, as each harvest will net you 96 apples between the four of them. i ran 12 preserve jars and 1 seeder to get my max money. used 40 apples from the first harvest to the seeder to get the seeds for next replant, then filled the first set of preserve jars with the rest of the apples, second harvest capped up the first set of preserve jars and then put the rest into the next set of jars, third set replant, and repeated step 2 again. then repeated the steps when the new trees gave fruit, making sure that the preserve jars were always capped off before filling the next set

[slow flame]

If you don't mind sharing, what did your setup look like? This is what I landed on for the 5 tree setup. Went for blueberries to make it easier to keep track of and replant. I also had to adjust some settings on the page so it reflects my level and seeds properly.

[clear kindle]

i used duhscape's setup

i didn't harvest anything but the apples, everything else stayed in the ground

(unless i accidentally picked up one of the other crops during apple harvest)

as i didn't harvest anything else, i didn't need the 9 spots of fertilizer

[slow flame]

Hmm, that is a tempting setup. Did you use harvestboost on the apples?

[clear kindle]

nope, the corn covered the harvest boost for me, the only harvestboost fertilizer was supposed to be put on the 4 outer corners, the 4 middle slots of the four corner plots, and the center spot of the layout. but again, i never used them as i never had to harvest them

[slow flame]

Oh, I thought the fertilizer and crop bonuses were additive. Are they not?

[clear kindle]

no, the crop's buffs will override any fertilizers placed down, the most apples a single tree will give is 24

if same buff

[slow flame]

Oh lol, that's good to know! No more wasting fertilizer.

I guess you could go for the qualityup fertilizer, right?

[clear kindle]

nope, gardening is the only skill that gives you a bonus as you level up. around level 20 (guaranteed at 25) you will only get star crops from star seeds, at level 38 (guaranteed at level 50) you will get star crops from any seeds you plant

[slow flame]

I'm only level 10 though, so I probably don't have that bonus right?

[clear kindle]

and unless they changed it, apples give 240 experience at each harvest

probably couldn't hurt to put some quality up fert on it to help get the stared versions quicker

just remember that apples will need 9 pieces of fertilizer per growth tic and they take 12 hours to fully grow

then 18 hours (6+6+6) until the next replant

assuming that you're playing long enough to get them to the next stage as well as harvesting on time

[slow flame]

Yeah that could be an issue. My worm farms haven't been around for that long yet, and buying thhe fertilizer seems counter to the goal of making money.

I think I'll just drop the fertilizer for now then, and go for star seeds asap.

Sounds like I've got a plan to follow then! Thanks a lot for the advice.

[floral talon]

i have such a setup for 4 blueberrys on the side the apples and blueberrys are afk harvetsboosted the one tile plants arent

[floral talon]

lv 10 its usefull to go for quality up still

edit use cottons to get that buff

teacup did u plant that middle single apple yet?

[slow flame]

Yeah it should be a few ticks along by now I reckon.

[floral talon]

ok good cuz ihave a qrcode shaped layout that buffs ur entire layout wiht everything with an apple optional blueberry optional spicypepper optional

also if ur real short on cash theres this ultymate profit cooking method XD

[slow flame]

Got my first full harvest from the 4 apple trees today. Feels good!

[clear kindle]

that first harvest is always great with apples

[slow flame]

It was a lot more than I expected too. Star quality apples give star quality apple seeds, right?

I got 41 quality apples, so that's perfect if so.

[clear kindle]

yes, for now, put the star crops to seed, and the regular apples to jam just to get you up and running, once you start getting more star crops condense whatever un-starred apples are waiting to be made into jams to fewer jars

[quartz venture]

Hey, does anyone have the unofficial best way to a relatively self sufficient farm..? I’ve seen it floating around in the server. But I didn’t grab the picture apparently

[floral talon]

yes we have it
and what u ask doesnt exist

so uhm what self sufficient do you need for YOUR needs?

[quartz venture]

Self Hydrate farm. I’ve seen it floating around before.

[floral talon]

for whcih plants do u need weedblock to? and harvestboost? u got the level yet to need quality up
u need apples blueberrys lots of corn/wheat/rice?

what do you wanna use your garden for

[quartz venture]

Profit mainly, but keeping it hydrated is always my main issue. So technically, just keeping it watered period is mainly what I’d benefit from.

[floral talon]

oh u need a not watering maximum coins layout
i assume ur not gonna self use the crop for some moneycookingparty then

uhm the uhm weedblock plants are most money though but il wip ya something up

[quartz venture]

I- okz

[floral talon]

is some fertiliser acceptable if not ur gonna get a dizzymaker layout one which u will get dizzy planting ...

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.HTRBkBkBkR.HpWP-WPTBkBkBkTRW-RWPBkBkBkPTR-TRWBkBkBkWPT-PTRBkBkBkRWP-WPTBkBkBkTRW-RWPBkBkBkPTR-TRWBkBkBkWPT-PTR.HBkBkBkRWP.Hp

5215+ per growthtick with full waterretain

[quartz venture]

It works, thank you

[floral talon]

u plant it diagonally VVV

[quartz venture]

Noted.

[floral talon]

u can even make mistakes in the pattern abit and it wont break depending on the type of mistakes with this type of layout XD

[quartz siren]

does star quality seeds often produce more star quality crops? just trying to figure out if i should focus on getting seeds for star quality more than just regular

sounds good thank u ciri!

[neat vortex]

imo this is alright if you don't get many growth ticks in a week, but if you play more often, that many bok choy will quickly overwhelm your seeders, forcing you to either make some into kimchi or sell it unprocessed.

especially since you've got rice and wheat in there, too

ime a more balanced crop distribution is easier to keep up with

[floral talon]

il burn that bridge when requester asks for it 😄 but ur probns right

requester asked for max moneys water retain and well im like a geni be very carefull what u wish for cuz u get exactly that

[neat vortex]

sigh

[floral talon]

good observation and analysis though

[neat vortex]

"max money" in theory/on paper and max money in practice don't always line up, is all I'm saying

[floral talon]

tell us when u need the layout adapted to take less crafter time to process it all
then i can tune down some crops that consume to muhc crafter time to process

[floral talon]

yup
but i assume person dont get that many harvests/growthticks in or will come back to ask for changes
(really lazy geni)

[solid cedar]

What item/food gives you the most harvest boost fertilizer? I've been using morels just because theyre easy but i'm trying to build my stockpile up, i have a lot of apple trees going at once lol

[floral talon]

Output is based on gold value grilled fish can be a great choice

[solid cedar]

TYSM!

[urban cape]

Does quality fertilizer turn all crops to star quality or does it increase a higher chance of getting star quality?

[timber eagle]

is it true that fruit seeds dont come in until your level 10 in gardening????

[urban cape]

i think Badruu gives like 1 blueberry and 1 apple seed when you reach lvl 10 farming

to get more you can either buy them from badruu or use a seed collector to turn your fruits into seeds to keep growing more

[timber eagle]

gotcha, im hardly on level 4 lol i have a long way to go! thaanks!!

[clear kindle]

you can also try to get lucky with zeki's mystery machine, has a chance to give an apple or blueberry seed, or you can complete friendship level 3 quests with ||badruu, nai'o and zeki to get fruit seeds (1 blueberry, 1 apple and 2 apple respectively)||

[night citrus]

Is there a specific way to grow crops ? I am trying to grow carrots and onions for now

[urban cape]

Theres like layouts that you can do to mid max the buffs certain crops give to other crops adjacent to them. That's all i know maybe others know more about it, I think there is a website that someone created to test layouts for the crops, I would search up palia garden planner

[night citrus]

Ohhh I see. Thanks a lot

[urban cape]

Does anyone know if quality fertilizer turns all crops into star quality or does it increase the chances of getting star quality crops?

[floral talon]

i dont know but ik what does

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
play around with the settings in the menu

ur level
star seeds or not
and quality up buff from either plants or fert matters

[urban cape]

so i want to only grow tomatoes to make tomato seeds to sell, does the quality fertilizer not give 100% star quality crops anymore?

[floral talon]

that depends on ur levela nd if u used starred seeds or not

and tomatoes get jarred for money

[smoky token]

Has anyone else had issues with crops not growing? It's been over 2 IRL days and I've been in the game itself for hours each day - they are stuck like this.

[clear kindle]

about how many hours a day? remember, crops only grow one tic when you are offline. and the apple trees require 12 hours to get to the first harvest

the only other time that i've seen crops not grow, is when i've had too many weeds on my plot, but it doesn't look like the case here

[smoky token]

I was on for about 6 hours today alone. :/

[floral talon]

you have encountered the to much knapweed bug
nothing grows when u have 9 knapweed on ur combined total soils
now im not sure if having nine bugs it out or the game trying to place nr10
but i has something to do with the progress saving erroring

player support sayus just weed ur knapweed 😦 ik u tried to strategically place em or u just didnt care abouit harvesting ur wheat

[smoky token]

Oof, that's so annoying. I've done it before and had no issues as it keeps the weeds off what I want to grow. But now that I know, I'll just keep one without weeds - thank you!

[floral talon]

your welcome theres alot more detials to it but making practical use of strategically placing ur weeds to act as a universal weedblock is not worht hte effort due to the bug i can give fuill details if ur interested

[smoky token]

It's annoying for sure. I'll just be sure to keep the weeds down. Ty!

[floral talon]

and done place one decorative apple tree soil somewhere else and forget about it as u cant farm anymore then after a while XD

cuz it gets 9 weeds on it
decoraters run into this nonstop XD

[smoky token]

Oh wow - I wasn't planning on doing that, but good to know.

[floral talon]

what should i garden now besides stickerpacks

[neat vortex]

Not sure, what are your non-gardening goals?

[floral talon]

Stickers and uhm money and uhm medals i also got massive stockpiles

[gleaming harbor]

Am I wrong for thinking blueberry seeds is the most profitable thing to farmi? Doing some math it seems if u have enough blueberry to supply 30 seed collectors it should be the most profitable thing to do. Is it impossible to supply them all at the same time and this is why noone has ever thought to do it?

[floral talon]

Pretty sure thats wrong
But i aint done the full math

Blueberrys are better of being turned into jam for money though

[neat vortex]

I've heard this idea before, too, but haven't looked into it deeply yet.

Supplying 30 seed collectors seems like it might be more blueberry plants than you can have in the ground? and how long will they run before stalling and/or running out? is always the question

(I do not have these answers yet, but am curious now)

[gleaming harbor]

ok, thanks haven't worked out all the detaiils for the planting part

Is there any ultimate setup for the production part of the farm? Anything like go all in on tomatoes for the best income or anything like that. Im curious in case someone is earning like 30 k a night or something

[neat vortex]

It depends a lot on your playstyle, because monocropping is very high labor (tending and replanting) as it doesn't take advantage of companion buffs

[floral talon]

Growthticks dont work like that though

[neat vortex]

There are bok choy layouts that have very high income on paper, but if you have even moderate amounts of playtime, they produce so fast that they physically cannot be processed into seeds (to sell) in time and will overwhelm your storage quite quickly - so it's good if your playtime is low, but runs into problems otherwise

(Or if you are inconsistent about watering, in which case they won't meet their targets anyway)

[gleaming harbor]

Is there a theory for the production side? Anything like preserve jars are the best if u can supply them?

[neat vortex]

Yeah, lemme get you the math 1 sec

[neat vortex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

• doesn't include using glow/worm farms
• doesn't consider output bin stalls (i.e., max unattended runtime)

[gleaming harbor]

Im currently looking for a setup tomake money overnight. I started with glow worms and buying the mushrooms at Zeky but i feel i can make a lot more with preserve jars. I just want to get a better ratios

[neat vortex]

Potentially also of interest:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

[neat vortex]

This is old data; the change to forageable sell values in 0.180 raised the buy price and closed the gap that made bought mushrooms worth it

Anything worth 11g or 16g will produce 29g/hr added value in a glow worm farm (total output 40-45g per unit), but if you're paying 22g each, that's only 18g/hr

Great if you foraged or hunted it yourself, but not the shortcut it was XD

[gleaming harbor]

ok ok, was online to little time to farm crops. Illl work on trasformig my glow worm farm into a preserve jars and seed collectors

[neat vortex]

Is your playtime low?

I bet we can find something for ya

[gleaming harbor]

last week i couldn't play much. It really depends. I usually play 1 or 2 hours at max.

[neat vortex]

You may be a good candidate for the bok choy, but only if you wanna spend your limited playtime gardening

What level gardening are you?

[gleaming harbor]

like 15

i've been palying for a month or so

[neat vortex]

Alright, so you have access to all crops but no 100 percent starred yet

[gleaming harbor]

Thats correct

[neat vortex]

I need a bit to get ready for the day, then I'll come back and sit down to see what might make sense

[gleaming harbor]

Thanks. For the moment i'll let u know i have a setup with apple trees but i am not satisfied, i hate to water and get the grass so i use the crop mechanics to get rid of those jobs. 25 crafters limit with 20 or so being glow worm farms.
My idea for the future would be to get a field of tomatoes, bok choi, potatoes and carrots to auto garden themselves until harvest. Then carrots in some glow worm farms to get quantity fertilizers to apply to all crops, tomatoes in preserve jars (small quantity into seed collectors to replant) and potatoes and bok choys in seed collectors. Let me know what u think about thisand if u have some advices

interested in a bok choy setup too but i dont know how they work

and willing to do a little gardening like water and grass if I get lots of money

[floral talon]

if u want money always get at least harvest boost
unles ur tryahrding get water retain to

[neat vortex]

Here, two options for you:
#🌱│gardening message

[gleaming harbor]

thanks, i was using a silmilar setup a shile ago

[neat vortex]

Nice thing about the bullseye is it doesn't need any fertilizer to get all 3 main buffs (water, weed, harvest boost), so you can dump QualityUp all over everything to increase your profits.

I started an alt account recently, just to see how things would be if you had all the info right off the bat (the answer: very interesting set of new challenges, lol!) I've also been using a variant of Astrea Moreno's Cross Layout so I have at least one apple tree, just in case. I was originally planning to use the apples to make jam to produce QU, but I ended up going to a cake party instead. So I (sloooowly lol oh god they jam up so bad) was putting the cakes through a glow worm farm or two; 81 fertilizer per growth tick is a lot. But worth it to get the guaranteed starred crops while I was very low level.

[gleaming harbor]

ok, thanks for the advices

i'll probably implement a bullseye style with collectors and jars

[floral talon]

downsides of bullseye is u get dizzy planting it
anbd it requires alot of harvest and replanting to keep it efficient unels ur set and forgetting

[night citrus]

Any tips on leveling your gardening skill fast? I want to unlock seed collector recipe.

[floral talon]

every crop is the same xp per growhttick /tile in the end
so keep em growing and such

[night citrus]

Fair enough. Thanks

[neat vortex]

re: dizzy, I walk the perimeter like a path instead of standing in the center

[neat vortex]

Here is more detail about what DS said: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

but the second point is true, however, low playtime means that more ticks between harvests (like with apples) will result in lots of idle crafter time, assuming I'm thinking about that correctly

It's hard to keep crafters busy with low playtime, regardless

You would probably need to do some individual math on what makes sense for you

[clear kindle]

which is why i've always said that the best gardening layout is whatever layout you can keep up with/ works for you and your play style

[floral talon]

i mean none of u use whatever max sticker and lazy afk xp layout i use so yes XD

[clear kindle]

not my fault you and ren made a layout that fit perfectly into my play style of not wanting to tend the garden every hour

[floral talon]

im pretty sure i actually have a better opne for you since u only harvest the apples anyways

[night citrus]

Thanks. The explanation is very detailed.

[neat vortex]

DS specializes in advice that unpacks like a pup tent, and I specialize in advice that unpacks like a suitcase you have to sit on to get it to close 😂

[night citrus]

Where can I get other fertilizer recipes ?

[neat vortex]

The only two fertilizers you can produce are made in worm and glow worm farms:

• HarvestBoost is from savory items (i.e., most forageables, meat, vegetables/grains, pickles, and dishes in the game)
• QualityUp is made from sweet items (i.e., sweet leaf, fruit, jam, and dessert foods)

For a full chart of what foods produce which fertilizers (and how much), check the pins for Arenvanya's Fertilizer spreadsheet.

The others can only be purchased.

• General store: WeedBlock, HydratePro (water retain)
• Gardening guild store, for medals: SpeedyGro (not recommended for use, as it is very buggy)

[normal lance]

... i see you s6 👀

[floral talon]

new crops soon

[grizzled basin]

Stopppp I'm excited

[crisp grove]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-chicken-klutzy-gif-11878231964866150720

[devout ember]

Need suggestions for my layout. I love cooking thats why I want to grow everything myself.
I will sell apple jams and potato seeds someother extra stuff i sell or is consumed in cooking.

[mint sandal]

Here's my layout. It's rice heavy cause that fits my needs but you can easily replace some of those with more corn and wheat, and also some cotton if you want. It's 100% water retain/weedblock, and you can 100% harvest boost it with some fertilizer as well

I use the rice in epic sushi/sashimi parties, turn almost all the bok choy into seeds and sell em all except the equivalent of 2 replants, the rest of the crops I throw in preserve jars and sell the finished product
#🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

Apples are middling for solo processing profit, but they're nice for reducing the amount of labor required to keep your garden rolling. Do you use that many peppers, or do you end up with excess?

[urban cape]

anyone know if your farming level affects the chance of getting star quality crops?

[floral talon]

Yes it does

[floral talon]

I want to make a pumpkin lettuce layout so bad

[arctic girder]

I foresee clearing my veggie patch before the update so I can grow like six pumpkin plants at a time.

[devout ember]

I do use them for preserves cooking and selling extras

Idk if i wanna go for having all profit farm or all of the vegetables farm

If i do go for all profit farms but need apple potato wheat and rice blueberry seeds and cotton for fabrics how should i go for it.

[floral talon]

Is its size comfirmed yet then?

[neat vortex]

I more meant to ask if you typically end up with lots of excess peppers after saving back enough to cook with, or if you need that many bushes to keep up with demand

(If you are routinely selling peppers that you can't even preserve first, then maybe those can be scaled back)

(I'm trying to get a feel for what about your current layout stems from necessity and what can be tweaked, so I don't recommend you a layout that is totally inadequate :) )

[floral talon]

unles ur die hard pepper provider in partys 1 plant is more then enuff unles u really hate gardening and never harvest it or something

[neat vortex]

Or unless you're mostly only online FOR the parties and not getting many growth ticks shrug

But yes, pepper plants are pretty prolific (says Peter Piper)

[devout ember]

yeah i do have alot of peppers what should i do?

[floral talon]

so muhc it becomes a storage waste?
or enuff of a stockpile to not thinka bout planting em for a long long time

[urban cape]

Do you know what level in farming I have to be in order to get 100% star quality crops?

[floral talon]

25 starred seeds no quality up
38 ^ unstarred seeds

[urban cape]

i have a long way to go

but thank you tho very much appreciate it

[neat vortex]

what do you think of this one? cooking-focused everything layout balanced with cash crops, includes cotton
#🌱│gardening message
Can be 100% harvest boosted with some fertilizer

[neat vortex]

In the meanwhile, QualityUp fertilizer is here for you XD (and cotton/peppers)

[flint flame]

Has anyone on switch noticed today when using the seed collector you have away of collecting pumpkin seeds now, but you don't have any seeds to grow them in order to make more?

[neat vortex]

Yeah, best guess is that the recipe is for an upcoming crop (i.e., not implemented yet), but was put on the seed collector accidentally in the live version, lol

[floral talon]

i mean i own lettuce seeds which u cant make at all soo palia being palia 😄

[flint flame]

I was wondering why because I used the seed collector last night and a few hours ago, and it wasn't there

[flint flame]

Yeah that's wild

[neat vortex]

It's been there since the patch; it's just all the way down at the bottom of the carousel, so unless you go scrolling you don't see it

[flint flame]

I did scroll, it wasn't there on my end until a few minutes ago

[neat vortex]

🤔

[flint flame]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-sus-bro-cat-gif-14584810346138711389

[floral talon]

well know we know they will add pumpkin later on sadly they wont make practically identicle melon plants 😦 mc moment

[flint flame]

They should make a scavenger hunt for recipes that have pumpkin in it!!!

[floral talon]

rip hween special items

i feel like they ment eldar woods to come out at hween since its so spooky themed

[flint flame]

Yeah and then the California fires happened

[floral talon]

that affected them?

[flint flame]

There office is located in California, where at idk but I think it had some impact on those that work at the company

[floral talon]

oh that explains like so much

[flint flame]

Yeah because elder woods was supposed to have been out earlier this year but it was pushed back

[floral talon]

good thing im completely not in a rush more like i have almost to much to do

[flint flame]

Lol same. I'm still trying to get maxed on all the villagers in relationships

[floral talon]

im gonna do my list items onc ei regain the energy to do em sooo much to doo so so much

btw anmyone know how to use numkeys in steamgames or if steam blocks that cuz i wanted to use it to insta spam fert placement suhc a technique would allow for more layout variation as the work effort of placing fert owuld decrease

i miss boredom so much

[floral talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_keys
can someone check if u can use this at all in palia as a way of clicking faster
holding 5 and + while having it on left mouse click used to insta click insanely fast for me but i cant use it at all in games now anymore

mh its not my steam thats blocking it maybe its my keybaord software

[vale estuary]

Does planting trees and flowers go towards gardening skill?

[neat vortex]

Nope, only harvesting crops grown in your soil plot grants gardening XP

[vale estuary]

Dang

[mint sandal]

Didn't they say in a blog a few months ago that they intended to release Elderwoods in Q2 of 2025? That's before spooky season

Weird, idk where I got that Q2 from but they do say early 2025, so def before october if all goes well

[neat vortex]

Q2 was from a shareholder report(?) from the parent company of Daybreak, who acquired S6, iirc

[mint sandal]

Oh, I see

[neat vortex]

Oh, also from here! https://palia.com/news/mini-dev-blog-zlc

[mint sandal]

That's the one! I knew there was a Q2 release somewhere, I went too far back in the blogs lol

[arctic girder]

I don't know what size the pumpkin will be, I'm just assuming a 2x2 shrub.

[neat vortex]

Apples have the pumpkins well beat on that front, no?

[covert wing]

Hello everyone! I’d like to ask if there is a website for tracking flowers. Even just a list of the flowers available in the game would be helpful. I personally have 18 types of flowers, but I know I don’t have all of them yet. I need to find out which ones I’m missing and how to get them. Thanks in advance for your answers! Please ping me if you reply. 😇

[prisma vale]

For finding the right bugs: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Flowers
This should allow you to track them. Never used it https://www.paliatracker.com/

[velvet swan]

Flower/Bug/Time/Location

Gardenia/Blue butterfly/Morning,Day/Everywhere

Tulip/Garden leafhopper/all the time/Kilima fields

Tiger lily/Prohound Stagbeetle/10% chance by breaking stone or copper in Kilima

Forsythia/Spotted Stinkbug/Bahari fields or forest, and Kilima fields

Roses/Kilima Night Moth/Evening, Night/ Everywhere

Grimalkintail/ Common field Cricket/ all the time/ Kilima and Bahari fields

Anemone flower/ Garden mantis/Kilima lake

Chapaatail/ Brushtail Dragonfly/ Kilima lake, Bahari rivers or ponds

Blue Hydrangea/ Duskwing Butterfly/ Morning, day/ Dragon shrime in Kilima

Baharricenia/ Bahari Crab/ Bahari Coast

Bluebell/ Spineshell Crab/ Bahari Coast, Flooded fortress

Forget-Me-Not/ Garden Ladybug/ Bahari Fields, 10% chance from foraging; Sundrop,heartdrog lily, Briar Daily, Garlic

Cave cap/Cerulean cicada/Morning or day, Bahari on heartwood trees

hemitomes/Common bark cicada/Morning or day, Bahari on heartwood trees

Datura/Lunar Fairy Moth/Evening, night Bahari fields or forest

Trillium/ Bahari bee/ 5% cutting heartwood

Bahari Nettle/ paper lantern bug/ evening or night, Bahari coast or forest

Veronica/ Garden Snail/ Bahari coast, forest

Fiddlefrond/ Inky dragonfly/ bahari rivers or ponds

Mixed Hydrangea/ Seed can be obtained through the Finders Keepers Quest, following fishing up a founders boot in the kilima valley

nandina/ Spitfire Cicada/ 3am-6pm/ bahari bay

pale paintbrush/ Brighteye butterfly/ 3am-6pm/ Bahari bay

pinky pompom flower/ Gossamer veil moth/ 6pm- 3am/ kilima valley

[arctic girder]

Ah, I only need two more flowers for my garden.

[crisp grove]

I want purple hydrangeas like the Daiyas have 🥺

[velvet swan]

the pink ones are not yet released, just the blue and mixed one

[velvet swan]

i also want em

[prisma vale]

Auni's Guild Store might be of interest. To you as well, @velvet swan

[digital wolf]

Is the 8 garden plot limit for each plot i have or is it across all plots?

[digital wolf]

Thanks

[pulsar haven]

guys ive watered my gosh dang apple tree everytime ive logged on and it still hasnt grown-- does it have to be like 12 consecutive ingame days to finally grow?

[neat vortex]

Yes, it takes 12 growth ticks to first harvest

[clear kindle]

it takes 12 hours to grow to first harvest, doesn't matter how it gets there, play one hour one day, 2 the next. but they don't grow when you're offline

[neat vortex]

(then every 6 days for the last 3 harvests)

[pulsar haven]

hm ok i thought i was like on the last harvest for a while now :/ so if i just stay on for 12 or 6 in game water cycles then surely it would grow, right?

[clear kindle]

you don't have any weeds on your crops do you?

[pulsar haven]

dont tell me this prevents it :(

[clear kindle]

yeah... if you're trying to do the whole "9 weeds to not have to have weed block" in your garden, they actually stop the apples from growing

[pulsar haven]

i didnt kno the weeds could do that <///3 that was my problem

[clear kindle]

yeah, and that's apparently not a bug, and is working as intended per s6 support

[pulsar haven]

i mean that makes sense like i cant just neglect weeding in irl gardening or something but dang </3

[floral talon]

if ur rice got to many weeds ur apples dont grow player uspport was like yeay ur just supposed ot weed ....

[clear kindle]

if you're looking for a fully afk 4 apple farm that has 100% weed/water/harvest boost (the last one needs to have the fertilizers to achieve) both duhscape and ren have a layout that fits, duhscape also has one that's a six apple tree layout

[pulsar haven]

is there a good layout for maxing out like crops? just so like im stocked up when cooking and such?

[floral talon]

u want an everything but cotton layout?

[pulsar haven]

that'd be nice :#

[floral talon]

i got quiet a few keep in min u only need one spicypepper realistically
maybe i should remake that qrcode layout and store it somewhere

[clear kindle]

and remember, any layout can be an "all crop" layout, just have to substitute like buffs for each other when needed

[floral talon]

^this one is more blueberrys and spicypeppers then what almost everyone would realistically need so im gonna repair my qrcode one

[pulsar haven]

will u link when u repair :D

[neat vortex]

Any layout that will accommodate at least one apple tree and one bush, at least

[pulsar haven]

me personally i am illiterate when i was reading all the boosts and stuff my little monkey head could no understan </3

[floral talon]

ok its sitll being worked on i swear i dont remember how its made

[neat vortex]

Here is another option (link to message): #🌱│gardening message

[pulsar haven]

the sYMMETRY

[neat vortex]

I find it helps with understanding the pattern, so most of the layouts I end up saving are pretty symmetrical (or at least have repeating patterns)

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOCAAOAA-CCbPACrRAOC-O.HC.HCb.HSpSpP.HSpSpO.H-CbAAP.HCbBC.HOB-APCb.HBCbOBCrR-PCrCCRCbOCrP-O.HCbPPCrRCb.HCO-COCbCrCrRPCbC-PROCrCrCOPCb.H

ok i found it but this hting is just way to ugly im certain oen with only 8 fert shoudl be possible

[neat vortex]

....you're not wrong

lol now I see why you called it a QR Code layout

[floral talon]

ikr it so looks like one

i mean its just bulleye with larger plants weaved in but still

since everything gardens are quiet more complicated il finish making a proper one later

this ones main advantage is way more harvest boost plants since u need those alot on cooking u can also grab my previous one and remove half of it

[neat vortex]

On my alt I ended up using this one for a while until I got my blueberries and peppers stocked up, based on @mint sandal's cross layout with some bushes thrown in

(I didn't actually use the weedblock fert, since they still needed progress toward the accomplishment; it's just there to make it easy to see which tiles are missing the buff.)

Cross Layout with Bushes Added

not 100% AFK but good for newer gardeners
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPRBkOWRWBk-OBkTPWPTRO.W-R.HBk.WT.HSpSpP.WSpSpR.H-PTOBkWROTP.W-AAAAAAAAA-P.WTORWBkOTP-RBBP.WBBT.HBk.WR-O.WRTPWPTBkO-BkWRWOBkRPT.H

20 damn grain tiles lol

[floral talon]

ren that one is actually not to bad at all

[neat vortex]

Credit to @mint sandal for the original layout, which is absolutely gorgeous:

Cross Layout

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.4_D-111-111-111_CR-T.HPRBkOWRWBk-OBkTPRPTWO-RBkT.HWOPBkWR-PTOBkRWOTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTOWRBkOTP-RWBkPOWT.HBkR-OWTPRPTBkO-BkWRWOBkRPT.H_D180L25Cr0.RS3-BkS5-TP2-OP2-WS2-PS3-CrP

Perfect for my alt's needs and also, miraculously, works with my brain?? since it's a circle... it's kind of linear XD

[floral talon]

ah the classic cross layout

[neat vortex]

good idea, edited in the label

[floral talon]

... am i now the name giver of each official gardening layout like this lmao

cross layouts are not to be confused with +plus layouts though completely different things

[neat vortex]

No, Astrea named it that.

lol I originally thought of it as a "crinkly bullseye"

[floral talon]

yeay winding around thats a trick i use alot to cuz its the only decent way to do thigns most of hte time

[neat vortex]

Yeah, the water-water-weed-weed pattern will get you far

[vale sand]

This is the layout I use

[floral talon]

@vale sand u can do this in browsers now adays

adn hten u select what part of the website u wanna screenshot 😄

[vale sand]

I didn’t know that thx

[floral talon]

mh i really should give another go at my qr code layout and chop my other everything layout in half / give it a name

[untold seal]

Organization master

[mint sandal]

Thanks! I'm still amazed so many people love it. Crazy thing is, I did it to fit someone else's needs rather than do it for myself

[mint sandal]

I don't think I named it, at least I don't remember if I did. I think people gushed about it and referred to it as such.

[neat vortex]

Upon searching again, you're right; though the first instance of "Cross Layout" per se was from you (others did refer to it as a cross shape before that though)

[floral talon]

Nice though ur missing the limited edition flowers

[untold seal]

I haven’t been playing long so im still working on my stocks

[floral talon]

U sadly cant get em anytime soon 😦

[untold seal]

That’s ok, I’ve still got a lot to do in this game so it’s gonna take me a long time to get anywhere near finished

[elfin hornet]

I was playing around with gardening layouts (I just started palia 2 weeks ago) what do you think about my layout? I was trying one to have all plants available.

[floral talon]

Way to much fertiliser alot of spots dont even need it

[neat vortex]

Not bad for just playing around! You've got these neat little water-water-weed-weed squares all around, shows a good start on understanding how things work.

That said, that double cabbage in the bottom center could probably be a "buddy, not a twin" situation (i.e., sub in a tomato or potato for one of them)

Agree with DS that you don't need HB fertilizer on EVERY tile - it doesn't stack with the companion planting buff from fruits and grains.

I also think that you could probably manage 100% water retain, if not also 100% weedblock, with a bit more tweaking, though 4 bushes makes everything more challenging.

If you shift the bushes inward a bit (so they have fewer exposed sides) you might find it easier to get them at least weeded/watered, but keeping their neighbors also all buffed is usually very difficult to pull off. Those 2x2 plants like to create odd corners.

That said, unless you're regularly hosting cake parties (blueberries) or focus food parties that require peppers, then 4 bushes is probably overkill, depending on your playtime. What if you cut it down to 2 bushes, and then you could swap between blueberries and peppers as needed? (or have 1 of each)

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkAAOAA-BkCbPARCrAOBk-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PAACbCrO.WBkRP-ACbP.HCr.HpSpSpRSpSp-CbRBkOCrCbBkRP-ORCbPCrRCb.HBkO-BkOPRCrRPCbBk-CbRORCrBkOPCb.H

qr code layout thats close to the theoritical minimum fertiliser usage to get 3 buffs on everything while including spicy peppers apples and blueberrys

theory sayus onlu one fewer fert could be possible(and we arent even certian thats it can be done)

[manic basin]

I made a horrible mistake. I'm new to the game and was planning my garden. I got my first apple seeds and wanted to get 4 apple trees with 4 blueberry bushes so i can constantly keep jarring them. The rest of the space is whatever crop I currently need (In this case, cotton and napa cabbage)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoAACbAACoAA-ACoCoAPCbABB-CoCbCoAAAAAA-CoCbBCoPBAAA-BBBBCbBBBB-AAABPCoBCbCo-AAAAAACoCbCo-BBACbPACoCoA-AACoAACbAACo

This was my plan and I planted it. When I planted it I saw something I cannot unsee now. Can't see it? Remove the apple trees from my posted planner. It's a hate symbol 😭 .

Anyway, I am now trying to refigure out how to fix this. I don't even care if it isn't efficient. I just needed to share my pain.

Reading the most recent posts here I think I'll cut it down to 2 blueberry bushes and not have this "windmill/spiral" approach.

[floral talon]

chill girl u tried to make it normal and its a something sqaured made of smaller sqaures so u always end up making that symbol in tons of games cuz its most effecient alot of times ....

now ur real crime is is that its not such a good layout 😄

[hollow umbra]

For ages I’ve been using a layout posted here that has all crops on it and has 100% water retention and weed prevention, and has the 1 apple tree harvest boosted without fertilizer. I really wanted more apples so I played around with layouts where I can still have naturally harvest boosted trees and 100% water and weed coverage. I couldn’t get 3 trees to work with all my conditions but I’m happy with this 2 tree layout 😊 middle space is empty just because I don’t want to water but you could fill it with whatever

[floral talon]

Decent that one is abit low on harvestboost though

[hollow umbra]

The only thing I care about harvest boosting is the apples honestly, and I prefer to avoid fertilizer because I don’t want to manage it

[floral talon]

i made this one for example but im not satisfied enuff with it yet

[hollow umbra]

It’s not bad but you can tinker with these layouts forever lol

[floral talon]

it sjust as an everything layout it has way to few spots for wheat rice and corn for example

also realistically almost noone needs 2 spicypeppers or 2 blueberrys

[hollow umbra]

This is the layout I have been using, I didn’t make it but just saw it posted here ages ago and I really like the balance of different crops. Just need more apples these days for honey lures

Wrong pic!

[floral talon]

mh gonna be hard to make a layout wiht more then 2 apples with blueberry and spicypepper tbh

but fermata if u want a custom layout tell me the requirements and il make one for oyu XD

[manic meteor]

Are you offering to make new layouts DuhScape?
If so you can make me one 😁

[floral talon]

of course what are you needing nostalgia

[manic meteor]

I've been using 4 apples, 2 peppers, 2 blueberries, 8 potatoes, 9 tomatoes, and the rest I fill in with whatever I need for focus food, which is
for my chili oil recipe. ( wheat, rice, carrots) and cotton for bombs.
I'll look and see if I've saved the one I've been using forever now.

[floral talon]

...
...
this will be hard

[manic meteor]

My potatoes I pickle for my worms.

Doesn't require much fert. Let me find it.

[floral talon]

ok im trying to figure out at which ratios u need stuff

[manic meteor]

Idc about weeds, I go home and unload often, I just require water retain

[floral talon]

oh wonderfull so i dont have to 100% weedblock as well
how many apples now these amounts vary alot per player
how many blueberrys normally poeple need 1 unels they start cakepartys but since u dont eat cake i doubtr it
how many spicypeppers 1 is enuff unels u attend tons of cooking partys that use em
how much cotton ?

[manic meteor]

It's this one someone posted long ago, but it only requires fert on the center 5 squares, and the apples.

[floral talon]

that layout is horrible cuz super high fert comsumption
(says the guy who invented hte fertiliser consumer 6000)

oh wait nvm old picture cuz it has speedy grow on stuff lmao

yeay u need a new one

[manic meteor]

The apples, peppers, tomatoes, potatoes, blueberries always remain in the same spots on that one, the rest I alternate with the other things I listed.

[manic meteor]

Yeah I told u it's old

Only the apples and center 5 require fert on that one since the change.

[rich nexus]

So I just picked the game back up after... I don't even know how long. What site is this?

[manic meteor]

It's an old garden planner someone made in the pinned msgs 📌 here for us
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

[rich nexus]

Yaaas thanks ❤️ although you say old, are the mechanics not up to date?

[floral talon]

speedyggrow got removed from worms and blueberry/apple give harvyboost now

[manic meteor]

Speedygrow you can only buy now from Badruu's Guild Shop.

[floral talon]

nostalgia be specific in how many blueberry and spicy pepers and apples u need plz

[manic meteor]

Oh I need at least 2 peppers DuhScape. Blueberries I just keep some on hand in case I need them and make jams and sell the rest so not a big deal.
Potatoes I need for pickling for my worms.

And wheat, rice, carrots, cotton to be alternated.

[floral talon]

ok but how many apples

[manic meteor]

For chili oil and bombs.

I run 4 apples.

[floral talon]

but do you need 4 apples?

or less?

[manic meteor]

They are my afk profit maker, and I make lures. Esp with plushie hunting atm.

Yeah I'd prefer 4, not less.

Let's see what u come up with 😄

[floral talon]

man its a good thing u dont care about weedblock cuz then it wont even be possible XD

[manic meteor]

Nah idc about weeds. I pull those daily in game 😄

And I watch the time before I log on

Peppers make it a pain I think, that's why I haven't bothered.

[floral talon]

peppers one and only purpose is to bully layout makers
i say just attent a cakeparty to get focuz food from the cake whcih i eat
yes i have my cake and i eat it even starred and all

[manic meteor]

But I hate cooking in game, so therefore the chili oil crops alternating with cotton for my bombs.

Quick and easy food, and back out the door again

Sadly I don't like cooking parties. They are a bit much for me. I just cook with friends at our plots.

[floral talon]

yeay then the pepper foods are better

[manic meteor]

I hunt and afk garden for most of my profit, and fish and bugs inbetween.

No rush DuhScape, just if you feel like it and have time and find something better than what I've been using.
Otherwise I'll just keep trucking with that one

[floral talon]

ok so im making a water retain harvy buff layout wiht cotton as flex plants so u can dump or occasional weedblocktype plants there if u need em

[manic meteor]

Alrighty sounds good. Yeah, one I can alternate the focus food crops with cotton.

[manic meteor]

I'll leave the peppers, apples, blueberries, potatoes, tomatoes in the same spots.

[floral talon]

progress so far

of course cabbage is basically potato/tomato in whatever way u want to plant it aslong as it has a buddy

at least its already better then the nonsense one u had before

[manic meteor]

Hey at that point, new, I was glad to see one posted ready made that was water retain and had everything I needed on it 😂

[floral talon]

yeay ud o need everything

at least u dont need large amounts of weedlbockcrops to go with ur focusfoods

[manic meteor]

Yeah cuz I'm not on hours at a time.

[floral talon]

5 carrots will land u alot of foods

[manic meteor]

I come in my free time after work for a bit and some on my days off.

[floral talon]

and since u always check ur plot no weeds 😄

[manic meteor]

Yeah I come home faithfully

I watch the time
I don't like things off cycle and dry and coming in little by little, in addition to not liking to water everytime I come home.

[floral talon]

some days i actively play and then i dont wanna bother weeding so mine are weedblock but i dont need weird plants like blueberrys and spiscypeppers cuz i eat candy eggs and cakes

so is the layout to your liking this way?
or do i need to tinker with it a bit more cuz i dont think it cvan be improved much

at least u can chill on teh fertiliser consumption now ...

[manic meteor]

Yeah I eat the eggs too, and I treat myself 10 of those chapaa masala each week from Reth's Guild Shop to stay off cap cuz I hate cooking and have multiples of his items I want already.

[floral talon]

i hate cooking to but i am the reason others get overwhelmed at cooking partys

instead of getting overwhelmed myself so one tiny cake party lasts me months

[manic meteor]

Yeah looks good to me DuhScape, thanks for making me one
I'm going to try it out when I have completed this next plot and move my garden.

[floral talon]

perfect

im not gonna save it though cuz its literly a nostalgia layout and i can look it up in this channel anyways

[manic meteor]

I saved it 😄

[floral talon]

anyone else have a layout request?

[elfin hornet]

I readjusted fertilizer after some tips! Better? 🙈

[smoky jetty]

I have a technical question. I have planted some corn and rice around my apple trees and blueberry bushes to boost the harvest amount. do rice and corn still provide the harvest amount boost, when the plants are fully matured and not harvested? (so that technically i could just leave those two and only harvest my blueberries and apples while leaving the rest alone?)

[floral talon]

if hte plant is there it provides buff
dont matter if it got weed on it is unwatered ready for harvest or never grows

[smoky jetty]

awesome! thank you so much ❤️

[floral talon]

yup its getting better

[rich nexus]

What's the best current fast money farm? Plan on being online at least once a day but hours per day will vary based on my work schedule.

[neat vortex]

For very low but consistent playtime, your best bet for fast gardening money will be a bok choy "tryhard" layout, as long as you don't mind spending your limited playtime doing gardening labor.

If you prefer more hands-off or are not great at keeping track of time (like me!) then a bullseye will probably work well.

I'll grab layout links for you in a little bit, if you don't find them in the channel first

Both options will require a lot of crafters dedicated to processing produce for best results

However, the fastest money is to participate in for-profit cooking parties when you can, if that is an option for you

[rich nexus]

I hate cooking 😂

[neat vortex]

Then gardening is for you :)

[rich nexus]

I DO already have a ton of crafters working

[neat vortex]

Perfect

[neat vortex]

Here, layout links in this message: #🌱│gardening message

[rich nexus]

Yaaaassss thannk you!! I actually run something very similar to the Tryhard right now so moving to that will prob be a breeze

[neat vortex]

You are the VERY rare player for whom that layout might actually be optimal lol (very consistent but very low playtime and hates cooking)

What do you do for focus food? Just go without?

[neat vortex]

to elaborate on your earlier question: the garden planner site is up to date on mechanics, it's just that the layout screenshot DS was talking about was from an older version, before the changes

[rich nexus]

I literally just picked the game up yesterday after not playing for forever hahaha. So as for food... haven't thought of that yet

All I know is I don't like cooking 🤣

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, all the other options will be a big gold drain D: Only 1-2 focus per gold eaten/spent.

Cooking together with other people makes it easier and much faster, but if you hate the whole thing then better to find other options; no sense doing something you dislike majorly in a game you play for fun, y'know?

What level gardening are you currently?

(and "just go without" IS an option some folks choose! you level up much more slowly, but you don't stop gaining XP)

[rich nexus]

I have to check tomorrow when I get home from a trip. But I think pretty high? I know it was one of the main things I focused on back when I was really playing

But yeah cooking is... eehhh... Now, given - I never did any cooking parties, so it's possible I'd actually enjoy those better.

[neat vortex]

Well, when you are back in the game, if you ever want to try out some group focus food cooking in a low pressure environment, poke me and I'll get some folks together :)

or for profit cooking for that matter XD

save some of your starred rice and wheat

[rich nexus]

Oh damn nice! Thanks much! 🙂

[rich nexus]

Level 29 (it's my highest level haha)

[neat vortex]

Nice! So you don't need to worry about QualityUp at all, as long as you plant starred seeds, good

[rich nexus]

Yeah I go for the quantity boost and just make sure to weed the damn thing once a day haha

[neat vortex]

I really want to do the math about how many seed collectors you need for (e.g.) each tile of bok choy per growth tick per RL day

I have kind of an intuited understanding of what MY garden habits end up needing (through trial and error), as well as, like.. half a spreadsheet about it

but it's calculated per full harvests (i.e., harvest the whole garden) per RL day

[rich nexus]

I forgot that the wheat takes longer to grow than the bok choy and rice... and it's messing with me hahaha

[regal wadi]

Best crops to put in perserve jars?

preserve *

[manic meteor]

We have this in the pinned messages that you can check out.
https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[pulsar haven]

meow did u ever update ur qr code one i forgot to chec k back BAHAH </3

[floral talon]

idk what u mean with BAHA 💔 though but i have finished some prototypes

QRCode layouts

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOCAAOAA-CCbPACrRAOC-O.HC.HCb.HSpSpP.HSpSpO.H-CbAAP.HCbBC.HOB-APCb.HBCbOBCrR-PCrCCRCbOCrP-O.HCbPPCrRCb.HCO-COCbCrCrRPCbC-PROCrCrCOPCb.H

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkAAOAA-BkCbPARCrAOBk-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PAACbCrO.WBkRP-ACbP.HCr.HpSpSpRSpSp-CbRBkOCrCbBkRP-ORCbPCrRCb.HBkO-BkOPRCrRPCbBk-CbRORCrBkOPCb.H

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkAAOAA-BkCbPARCrAOBk-O.HBk.HCb.HSpSpP.HSpSpO.H-PAACbCrO.WBkRP-ACbPBBCrBBR-CbRBkOCrCbBkRP-ORCbPCrRCb.HBkO-BkOPRCrRPCbBk-CbRORCrBkOPCb.H

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkAAOAA-BkCbPABBABB-O.HBk.HCb.HSpSpP.HSpSpO.H-PAACbCrO.WBkRP-AOBkCbPRRCrCr-P.HpRBkOCrCbBkRP-ORCbPCrRCb.HBkO-BkOPRCrRPCbBk-CbRORCrBkOPCb.H

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkAAOAA-BkCbPACrRABkO-OBkCb.HRCrPCbRO-PAACbCrO.WBkRP-APRCrCb.WCrRCrR-PRBkOCrCbBkRP-ORCbPCrRCb.HBkO-BkOPRCrRPCbBk-CbRORCrBkOPCb.H

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HPOBkCrRORCb-BkCbPRCrRPOBk-OBkCb.HRCrPCbRO-PRBkCbCrOBkRP-OPCbRCrRCbPO-PRBkOCrCbBkRP-ORCbPCrRCb.HBkO-BkOPRCrRPCbBk-CbRORCrBkOPCb.H

the orignal bullseye that i didnt make

ok duh layout maker has to go to sleep and should have been sleeping for the past lots of hours ...

[pulsar haven]

good night thatnk u for the gifts!

wait do i need to replant fertilizer every day or

[mint sandal]

1 fertilizer last 1 day for the 1 square you put it on, so yes, has to be reapplied. It's easier to just stack a couple at once so it lasts a couple days though, you can do that

And the bushes require 4 per days and the apple tree 9 per day since that's the number of squares they each occupy

[neat vortex]

Check the Gold Profit tool that Nostalgia linked for specifics, and also this for more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/

But the general algorithm for MOST players/layouts is:

0.1) First, make your seeds for replanting
0.2) Then, save back anything you need to use for cooking, crafting, etc.

THEN if you have excess crops...

• If it can ONLY be made into seeds, then seed it
• Bok choy and potatoes, also seeds
• Everything else, jar it

Pickled onions can be fed to regular worms (+23g/hr) if you need HB fertilizer semi-quickly and don't have raw meat/forageables to feed to your glow worms instead (+29g/hr)

The cash crop that is best processed in jars is tomatoes, with corn as the runner-up. The other top five cash crops are bok choy, potatoes, and rice, which are all best as seeds.

If you want to balance replanting labor with profit, then apples are also best processed in jars.

More info: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

[winter harness]

hi asking for help , what is the best crop for tilling much more soil ? i try carrots since they grew up fast but when i gather the crops soil stay same

[neat vortex]

The crops don't make any difference, unfortunately. Soil tiles untill themselves 48 real-life hours after they were last tilled, whether they have a crop planted on them or not.

Are you trying to move your garden, or something else?

[winter harness]

just trying to get a quest item

[neat vortex]

This one? ||to start the Masks quest||

[winter harness]

yes

[neat vortex]

Oof, yeah, good luck. ||My alt still hasn't found that one yet and they are level 40 gardening :x||

[winter harness]

i am level 53 😦

[neat vortex]

The only thing I can recommend is to plant crops that will be finished growing within 48 real life hours (based on your playtime patterns), or else leave your soil completely empty... 😬

[winter harness]

good luck to me i guess

thank you for the answer ahaha

[neat vortex]

Sorry I don't have a better one for you!

[median canopy]

might be a goofy question, but are garden plot slots cross-plot?

[neat vortex]

If I'm understanding you correctly... yes, the maximum soil plots is 9 per character. You can split them up over multiple plots, but you can't have more than 9 total.

[sick summit]

Hi guys, I'm trying to make a Max profit, AFK layout.

Constraints:

1. Use only Bok Choy, Carrot / Potato, Tomato / Rice, Corn
2. WB, WR Must be 100% (HB: higher the better)
3. No Cooking, just seeds & jars for sale (To keep the calculation simple)
4. Gardening level 25 ⬆️ or use ⭐ seeds (To guarantee Starred crops)

Objective:

Maximize Profit per day - fertilizer cost(1 fertilizer = 2 gold per day) (replanting costs are automatically calculated on garden planner)

So far I've got 4613 / day ▶️ https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HpRCrBkPTCrTBk-BkCRPTPCrRC-CrBkC.HpTPRBkTCr-RPCCTRBkPCr-BkPBkPT.WPBkPBk-CrPBkRTCCPR-CrTBkRPTC.HpBkCr-CRCrPTPRCBk-BkTCrTPBkCrRC.Hp

plz share if you have a better one 🙂 feel free to optimize mine!

[narrow marten]

As far as I heard earlier, you do not need starred seeds to gain starred crop past level 25 gardening. otherwise, it does sound good

[floral talon]

Its good

[sick summit]

Oh I got confused 😄 I'll fix it Thx!

[neat vortex]

A slightly different bullseye, clever!

You can use the regular one, too - you'll have to check the numbers against your parameters to see if it's optimal gold-wise, but it may be simpler to upkeep since it involves no bought fertilizer.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTCBkCrRCRP-BkPTRCrRTCBk-CBkP.HRCrTPRC-TRBkPCrCBkRT-RCrRPTBkRCrR-TRBkCCrPBkRT-CRPTCrRP.HBkC-BkCTRCrRTPBk-PRCRCrBkCTP.H

credit to Khan the Windseeker (mentor_kurt) for the original concept

[narrow marten]

I love min/max productions. I didnt know Palia has such a thing. I need to try both versions :D

[neat vortex]

Optimized the middle a bit more:

Bullseye - Cash Crops Version

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTCBkCrRCRP-BkPTRCrRTCBk-CBkP.HRCrTPRC-TRBkPCrCBkRT-PTPRCrRPBkP-TRBkCCrPBkRT-CRPTCrRP.HBkC-BkCTRCrRTPBk-PRCRCrBkCTP.H

[sick summit]

Your layout is 4584 / day, but as you mentioned you don't have to go to the store to buy fertilizers, so there are pros and cons for it 🙂

With the fertilizer cost included, my layout is 4613 / day (1 fertilizer = 2 gold per day)

Thx for the idea!

[neat vortex]

Where's the 4613 from, btw? My parameters give your layout 4879/day (versus 4861/day for the second one I linked)

Fertilizer costs for HB depend on how you calculate it - inputs costs (i.e., with sernuk meat 4 fertilizer is 16g minus the 25g glow worm, so better than free, arguably) or opportunity costs (could have sold the fert for 5g each if you didn't use it)

[sick summit]

Do I have to change Harvest Approximations "Days" option to 30? I used Auto instead.

[neat vortex]

I always recommend using 180 days as that is the least common multiple of all the crop grow times

no harvests cut off that way

[sick summit]

Thank you! That way I got 4879 - 10 = 4869 per day

[neat vortex]

powerful

[sick summit]

And.. with more effort, 5150 - 50 = 5100 per day is possible!
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-C.HpRCrBkPTCrTBk.W-Bk.WBk.WRPTPCrRBk.W-CrBkC.HpTPRBk.WTCr-RPBk.WBk.WTRBk.WPCr-Bk.WPBk.WPT.WPBk.WPBk.W-CrPBk.WRTBk.WBk.WPR-CrTBk.WRPTC.HpBkCr-Bk.WRCrPTPRBk.WBk.W-Bk.WTCrTPBkCrRC.Hp

This one you have to fertilize 25 tiles.. so That could be bothering 😦

[neat vortex]

Have you seen the Tryhard layout? XD

[sick summit]

May I? Haven't seen one XD

[neat vortex]

One version linked here: #🌱│gardening message

[sick summit]

Whoa... This one is amazing, but doesn't meet my constraints (WB, WR 100%).

[neat vortex]

Sure doesn't, but I thought you might find it amusing

[sick summit]

It's amusing LOL

If you change wheat to bok choy, you get even higher gold !

[neat vortex]

only for the first one, funnily!

Aqajj's layout manages that one extra bok choy while maintaining 100 percent HB

[sick summit]

Oh my bad. Wheat to corn!!

[neat vortex]

but that much bok choy in a layout (either) is really only practical if you have VERY low playtime to idle time ratios; otherwise you overwhelm your crafter capacity very quickly

[sick summit]

Aha..

[neat vortex]

It does work well for some cases, though, especially in the short term

[sick summit]

Thank you!!

[neat vortex]

Thank YOU for the interesting new layout \o/

[warm heath]

is there a place to see how many of a crop is harvested per harvest with harvest boost? like, "potato plant yields x potatoes per square per harvest"

[mint sandal]

Iirc, you get x1.5 the regular amount of crops. Don't quote me on that, am no expert on harvest boost effect beyong knowing it gives more crops lol. Ren or DuhScape probably know better. But I think that's the number they said previously

[clear kindle]

that sounds about right, as the apples (the only thing that i harvest) normally gives 16 but harvest boosted gives 24

[neat vortex]

@warm heath Astrea is correct: harvest boost is +50% crop yield when it procs (chance to proc goes up with # of growth ticks the buff is on the plant while it is growing, max 100% chance if it's on the plant for all growth ticks)

All single-tile crops yield 2 normally -> 3 with HB proc
Bushes give 6 -> 9
Trees (apples) 16 -> 24

[warm heath]

cool! ty for the info! and ty @mint sandal !

[sick summit]

Cash! (WIP)

• HB / WR / WB all 100% --> 100% AFK
• Bok Choy, Potato, Tomato, Rice, Corn only
• Raw Average: 5428 per day
• Fertilizer Cost: 29 WB, 16 WR, 8 HB per day
• Total: 5378 - 2 * (29 + 16) - 5 * 8 = 5298 per day

Layout
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPBk.WBk.WRCrBk.WRP.Hp-Bk.WP.HpP.HpRRCrP.HpBk.WBk.W-Bk.WBk.WT.HRRPP.HpCrBk.W-P.HpCrBk.WP.HpRBk.WBk.WRP.Hp-Bk.WR.HBk.WP.HT.WP.HBk.WR.HBk.W-P.HpRBk.WBk.WRP.HpBk.WCrP.Hp-Bk.WCrP.HpPRRT.HBk.WBk.W-Bk.WBk.WP.HpCrRRP.HpP.HpBk.W-P.HpRBk.WCrRBk.WBk.WPT.H

Anyone who has a better idea, feel free to adjust it and share it with us!

[sick summit]

Slight improvement from this one 🙂

[tame isle]

Im having trouble using this chan, I cant find any mention of a layout producting either glow worms or preserves. Or even both

[floral talon]

Just ask for what u want xd

[tame isle]

I would love a layout that gives me glowworms (so apples in the middle, right?) and preserves to sell. I think blueberries then? But Im having trouble arranging other plants for the bonuses like tomatoes for watering. Or should I use the fertilizers ?

[narrow marten]

are there items that are better suited for creating glowworms than others? or do starred carrots just fine?

[upper mist]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854 Im not sure how up to date it still is but if you're looking for what gives the most glowworms this might be somewhat helpful 🧐

if you download the guide you can use the filters

[narrow marten]

Thank you very much

[floral talon]

Gold value determines output with some sruff rounded up giving profit in item value as well or rounded down losing money
I use excess meats and shrooms and grilled fish for getting my fertiliser and worms

[tame isle]

Waaaaiiiit there is a glowworm farm?

I was wondering why my items were not producing glow worms for all this time 🤓

[floral talon]

Oh so thats why ur questions were like i need apples to get glowworms
And im like huh poeple worm their apples i mean u can but still that dont seem farming only as theres lots of options

[floral talon]

Yup wormfarm and glowwormfarm
Reg worm is more profit on some items due to rounding

[neat vortex]

In case you are looking for them, the recipes for these crafters are from the fishing guild store

[neat vortex]

Call this one the Seedmaker Army XD Nice work!

[tame isle]

Yep... just saw it. Felt a liiiittle like a dummy. Now I magically have glowworm

[floral talon]

feel free to ask for a layout now that u figured out how to get glowworms
sweetfood isnt glowworms in regwormers but it does give quality up fertiliser

[tame isle]

I tried to put apples in the center and to put every booster near it,but I have no idea what is important next for the glow worms? I ve seen that apple and blueberry jam gives 2 worms, right ? So I can try to put apples and blueberries ?

I tried something but it's kinda not working

[floral talon]

uhm a larger plant 2x2 needs 2 of hte same buff next to it to get that buff 3x3 needs 3

what do u want to farm and for what purpose
while worming some jarred stuff can improve profit(depends on items gold value) it does take alot of crafter time and u can worm ur trash meats/excess mountain morels or grilled fish anyways

for what purpose do you farm what crops do u need and how do you want to farm (and what is ur level so ik if u need quality up

[ionic abyss]

hi.
Can anyone give me some advice so that I can earn more I don't know anything about farming

[floral talon]

sure but maxing gold comes with an effort cost and craftertime cost
and getting more growthticks (0600 when online and one itme after logging out) in so just grow more plants (stuff only grows when watered unweeded and not ready for harvest)
harvest boost is up to 50% more yield so more money
star quality is also important but scales iwth lv (though there are buffs that improve it only usefull early)

now u got some clue how things work its of to how u play how tryhard uwanna be how much crafters u got and ur lv

[floral talon]

at lv 25 starred seeds is only starred produce at lv38 unstarred as well (and no theres no downside to getting only starred though its ungiftable unles u forget to click the allow starred button on cooking)

[floral talon]

u would still benefit from a layout with cotton and spicy pepper for hte quality up buff

this will be good at ur point in the game dont forget to weed though but uneed weedwhacker achivements anyways

i ggot tons of other layouts if u need osmethign else

[lost bluff]

Just got started & tried googling this but not sure... I grew some onions and harvested them but when looking at inventory, there's one onion that is starred and worth more focus points while the rest are regular..? I've noticed this with other food items. How did I grow one different/better than the others?

[floral talon]

Lv starred seeds and quality up buff affect it starred is better

[upper mist]

There's a quality chance that goes up with your gardening level, I got some explanation about this in my guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit

everytime a crop is harvested the total amount star quality vs normal quality is calculated through your gardeninglevel vs the boosts you used during it's growth

[lost bluff]

Amazing! Thank you very much!

[neat vortex]

For a good overview of the gardening system in general, see Arenvanya's guide (linked 2 messages up, and also in pins)

Gardening has two primary strengths when it comes to making gold:

• enables participation in a wider variety of for-profit cooking parties (where the big money is)
• as a source of passive income through processing produce in crafters before selling

My top tips for making gold:

• buy all your gardening plots ASAP (max is 9)
• invest in increasing your crafter slots and then keep them rolling (print money while you sleep!)

Companion planting buffs can allow your crops grow themselves when you're online. This helps keep things rolling as long as you harvest and replant consistently. (Some layouts sacrifice this for higher revenue at cost of more labor.)

Crops for for-profit cooking parties: rice, onions, tomatoes, corn (star quality only); also wheat and peppers, but less so.

Cash crops for solo processing: bok choy, potatoes, rice, tomatoes, corn/wheat; less so apples and carrots

General algorithm for solo processing (exceptions exist):
Bok choy and potatoes: seeds
Everything else that can be jarred: preserves jar
Everything that can't be jarred: seeds

Pickled onions can optionally be put in the regular worm farms for a little extra gold/for supplemental harvest boost fertilizer

[dire topaz]

how can i powerlevel my gardening? plant a bunch of trees?

[tame isle]

I recently got the lvl10 so I have the apples. I think I should aim for money? Ive read that tomatoes seeds and jam makes a good amount of money, but beside that I am clueless

[floral talon]

U can toy around with the garden planner to get some feel for it

[neat vortex]

Unfortunately, trees and flowers give no gardening XP - only things that must be planted in garden plots

This message has some tips: #🌱│gardening message

[neat vortex]

if you'd like the numbers comparing different crops, this post may be of interest: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/

[crimson ore]

Does anyone know a loayout to have ALL CROPS in a 9x9 fields, at least "water AFK"? 🙏
I don't mind "weed AFK" because i need to gather weeds for the "gather weeds" success 🤷‍♂️

I found some layout but, either they need to use fertilizer, they miss some plants to grow or need to water some part of the field...

[floral talon]

Yeay lots

[sick summit]

Maybe This is what you need...:)

@crimson ore

[neat vortex]

Can you tell me more about what your additional priorities might be with your garden?

(passive solo income, general cooking, hosting cake parties, sticky bombs...?)

[crimson ore]

Oh nice, thanks ❤️

[crimson ore]

It was only to have every ingredients for cooking, and i'm selling those i have in excess

[neat vortex]

Here is one possibility: #🌱│gardening message
oops, some of the onion or bok choy would need to swap to carrots ofc

HB fertilizer is optional

(but better yield/profit if you have it and use it)

[crimson ore]

Nice one, thanks too! I'll study those for my plot! 🙂

[crisp flume]

it doesnt make sense that you dont get gardening xp from looking after your flowers

[pulsar haven]

knocks against ur door lightly whats ur fave layout o: is there a bonus to like,,, two crop layouts?

[neat vortex]

two crop layouts? How so?

[pulsar haven]

honestly idk-- the one i have rn is like5-6 crops, is there one that focuses on like 3 at a time or does the way farming work just like,,, not do it

[neat vortex]

I guess that depends on what buffs you are prioritizing. Water retain, weedblock, and harvest boost are the ones most people need the most.

In order to have full coverage of a buff, you need at least 2 crops that provide that buff, because the same crop can't buff itself; it needs "a buddy, not a twin." So, that's a minimum of 6 crop types in total, just for those 3, unless you want to use fertilizer.

[pulsar haven]

aaah that makes more sense :/ which one do u personally like to use O:

[neat vortex]

ngl I use a kind of weird layout, because my brain struggles with the "garden cube" 9x9 that is geometrically optimal. It uses a lot of HB fertilizer.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-O.HPTBkW.HBkT.HPO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-O.HPTBkR.HBkT.HPO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OPTBkR.HBkT.HPO.H

But, this is "optimal" for me, and it makes me happy to look at it :)

[pulsar haven]

im laughing that makes so much more sense i forgot that it doesnt have to be the garden cube

[neat vortex]

XD

I mean, if you're really trying to maximize buff efficiency, and especially if you need to plant multiple trees AND bushes, the cube is the way to go

Buffing a 2x2 crop in a linear layout is a pain in the rear

But there's a lot you can do in general outside of the 9x9

[pulsar haven]

mrrrf ur right -- im just trying to maximize crops for when i uhhh go cooking parties

[neat vortex]

What kind of cooking do you like to do? Or do you just like to be ready for anything?

[pulsar haven]

well ive been joining parties so im trying to grind like corn, onion, tomato, rice, wheat?

[neat vortex]

Hmm, do you NEED fruit?

or peppers

[pulsar haven]

i mean apples and peppers are always appreciated-- bloobs maybe not so much ?

i see potatos, bok choy, and napa are all helpful to make more money

[neat vortex]

Napa is kind of crummy for money, tbh; it's purely a utility crop

[pulsar haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[neat vortex]

(it takes a very long time to grow for not much comparative return)

Peppers, same deal. Super useful for many foods! Not good to jar for money. XD

I mean, obviously if you have extra, more than you can possibly cook with, then definitely jar and sell, but yeah

[pulsar haven]

my sat cat explosion </3

but yeah i ,,, think im peaking around to try and find how i can optimize it all

[neat vortex]

What do you think of this one? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HOBk.HPT.HPBkOCr-O.HP.HTSpSpBk.HSpSpO.H-R.HBkT.HPO.HPTBkR-AAAAAAAAA-WOTPBk.HPTOW-AAAAAAAAA-RBkTPO.HPT.HBkR.H-O.HSpSpBk.HSpSpTP.HO.H-CrOBkPT.HPBk.HOCr.H
This is a modified version of my "all the everything" layout, just tailored to what you were saying you needed, plus potatoes and bok choy as cash crops for solo processing

[pulsar haven]

i am going to give u a big hug cause tailored to me

it looks good and actually matches with what i have still up rn (the apple trees lawl)

[neat vortex]

also, as a note, you can always plant the grain crops as a single type all at once if you went to a big party or something

The split isn't functional, just for, like, demo purposes; so shuffle them around as your needs change

[pulsar haven]

how much harvest boost fertilizer should i put?

[neat vortex]

If you DON'T need peppers, really, and apples only occasionally, then this one will pump out grain crops like nobody's business:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPRBkOCrRCrBk-OBkTPRPTWO-RBkT.HWOPBkWR-PTOBkRWOTP-AAAAAAAAA-PTOWRBkOTP-RWBkPOWT.HBkR-OWTPRPTBkO-BkCrRCrOBkRPT.H

[pulsar haven]

i was thinking abt it when i was first planting cause i used to have a lot but :/ i sold them herheheh

[neat vortex]

It stacks up to 99 per tile on single-tile crops, so I say stack it on up so you don't have to worry about it running out. Just make sure that to start each plant has enough to cover its full grow cycle.

so like, 4 on onions, 3 on rice, etc. etc.

If you need HB fertilizer quickly, you can fish up some stuff out of your pond, grill it, and chuck it in your glow worm farms. Gives you extra glow worms back and produces a fish worth of fertilizer every hour :)

If you want HB fertilizer cheaply and steadily, then you'll want anything worth 11g or 16g.

(sernuk meat, muujin meat, morels, oyster meat, green onions)

[pulsar haven]

ooh so chapaa meat isnt woth it

[neat vortex]

Alternatively, if you're going to parties that produce expensive savory food (like muujin Bahari), then that also works for fast (but expensive-ish) fertilizer

Chapaa meat is fine, it just doesn't push itself over the rounding threshold to give you 4 fertilizer instead of 3

so it's 15g input -> 40g output
instead of 16g input -> 45g output

I do still glow worm it if I have excess, I just prioritize the sernuk/muujin meat and the cheap forageables

I tend to save the chapaa meat for cooking

Eh, minmaxing - pretty optional at that point :)

Okay well I gotta head off to bed, but if you've got any other questions, just post 'em :)

[pulsar haven]

u r the best thank u <3 will let u know if i have other thoughts

[floral talon]

I like 6 ferted apples afk latout

[floral talon]

Just so happened to not be online when u were requesting layouts but ic ren got u covered

[ionic abyss]

it's okay ?

[floral talon]

Mix some rice in to cut back on fert usage

[clear kindle]

also, you will never be able to process all of that bok choy if you replant as you harvest which is what the layout is suggesting you do

[floral talon]

Making enuff seeds to replant csn be a bottleneck already lmao

[neat vortex]

Yeah, esp with that much fert you'd need more glow worm farms to keep up, can't even have all 30 slots for seed collectors

[neat vortex]

You may be interested in the Tryhard layout, linked here: #🌱│gardening message

[ionic abyss]

thanks for the advice

[floral talon]

Thrre are tryhard versions with a few more bokchoi but they are difficult to plantdown tuff pattern

[burnt sparrow]

after the same ideas come back again and again

[robust lance]

How can I get fertilizer that is not QualityUp or HarvestBoost? My worm farms only make those two so I have to keep buying HydratePro from Zeki 😭😭😭

[clear kindle]

the worm farms only produce quality and harvest boost ferts. you have to buy the weed block and hydro ferts. and the (broken?) speedy grow is from badruu's guild store

[floral talon]

Only zeki

Yes speedy grow dont exist and is so not worth it unles ur some lv highscore chaser

[robust lance]

so WeebBlock and HydratePro are Zeki, SpeedyGro is Badruu?

[floral talon]

yeay but dont use speedygrow its broken and only works like hafl the time and its super expensive as it costs medals

[floral talon]

weebblock lol it blocks all the weebs lmao

[tiny rampart]

My gardening skill is over level 100. Any crops I harvest will be star quality and any seeds I make from the crops will 99% be star quality. There's no real point in hoarding my star quality seeds, is there? I can just buy regular seeds whenever I want. And since I can't gift star quality stuff to people, it's not like I can give them to anyone. Best to just sell them all, I guess.

[clear kindle]

keep enough to replant as needed

[floral talon]

unstarred seeds from zeki are still more expensive then starred seeds u make urself

GREAT NEWS pumpkins are 2x2!!!

[tiny rampart]

Some I will definitely keep a small supply of.

[tiny rampart]

Perhaps but I'm wrestling with storage space. There are only a few crops I plant regularly so the rest are just taking up space.

[floral talon]

hey if u know ur not gonna use it why store it he said while not liking cooking and having 1k crops in reserve

there will be one more 2x2 crop aside from pumpkins added to eldarwoods i think its some kind of vine plant maybe grapes

[lucid furnace]

Screenshot from the announcement video garden portion .. spoilered for those that want to discover it for themselves. Looks like 2 1x1 crops and 2 2x2 crops at least.

[floral talon]

mh yeay i dont consider scrnshotting trailer materials count as spoilering
but good call imma spoiler tag stuff now

[neat vortex]

fun fact: the occasional unstarred seeds you get from processing starred crops are actually an additional, bonus seed! Free seed XD

Since over gardening level 38 you get back all starred crops even with unstarred seeds, I usually save the unstarred bonus seeds and plant them preferentially, since I sell excess seeds. Might as well be the ones that get me more money.

[floral talon]

yeay i plant those first to saves me froom having to make more seeds unles its stuff ur su ppsoed to turn into seeds for money then it allows me to sell an extra epensive seed instead of planting it

i so wanna know the new crops buffs