🌱│gardening

[floral talon]

depends on ur level and if ur using starry seeds u can check the lv slider in that website to to tell you the odds

[cursive venture]

I'm lvl 25 gardening and only use starred seeds

[clear kindle]

if you're using star seeds, you don't need quality boost, only need the cotton for your own use, but it's a buff you no longer need

[floral talon]

u have been helped

[cursive venture]

Perfect

[clear kindle]

expensive to keep up, you'll be spending around 8,000 gold+ to keep up with that type of layout. remember, the apples take 9 fertilizer each growth tic.

not to mention that you could lose fertilizer to a bug

[cursive venture]

heh? a bug?

[clear kindle]

i've had it where i would place a complete stack of fertilizer on my apple trees at seeding, all at the same time, and sometimes when i come back after a while, the fertilizer will be different, some of the trees will show the correct amount of fertilizer for the time spent and others will show a lot less. (example, had it where three trees said that i had 81 fertilizer on them, correct amount for how long i was playing, but the other two showed 56 fertilizer on the trees)

[cursive venture]

Ohhh I see, I mean I dont need the fertilizer since I check on my garden every day anyway and yeah you're right, I dont want to spend so much money to keep it up

I care more about watering and harvest boost

[floral talon]

sylva dsoes a appletree thats harvestable continue to use fert?

[clear kindle]

if you have the weed whacker achievement (picked 1000 weeds) this is a layout duhscape made that i'm using

[clear kindle]

it shouldn't, but these were trees that weren't yet ready for harvest

[floral talon]

ok cuz i wondered this for hte longest time

[clear kindle]

it's just like fully grown crops don't use fertilizers either

[floral talon]

not even weedblock or water retain 😮

[clear kindle]

nope, because once the crop is ready to harvest, even the water retain (the darker soil color) goes away

[cursive venture]

I do have the achievement

[clear kindle]

though, not sure actually about weed block

[cursive venture]

I'm gonna test this garden anyway and see how well it runs

cuz I'm after the apples, I turn them into seeds and sell it

some will say its not the most efficient but it works for me

[floral talon]

i think il stop going for lazy jam farm and just go for ferted max apples

[cursive venture]

I bought 800 HydratePro fertilizer, WHY, because I can

[floral talon]

wait till u run out of storage MUHAHAHAHA

[cursive venture]

THen I have 100% harvest boost and 100% water thingy

[cursive venture]

laughs in 6k storage

[floral talon]

-cries in 10k nnot being enough-

[cursive venture]

Damn, how do you fill all that

[floral talon]

insects a few of each plus all rares and epics till i hit 30 of em then its one stack to sale bin rare and epic fishes couple hundred thousand coins of grilled fish cooking ingredients 30 of each produce in reserve enough seeds to make every layout soem fert that amount swings back n forth furniture materials and starred gems

[cursive venture]

Damn okay, pretty smart

[odd cipher]

You will be surprised what you wanna keep if you been playing this game for a long time because you have to keep one of everything lol. It’s the battle at 10000 when you keep having to make choices about what to get rid of and or put items into crafters for extra storage. The battle is real!

[cedar yacht]

96 apple jams left to go until i can sell my batch

then it should be about 126k or so

[floral talon]

big moneys screw those tiny payouts

[proud fjord]

how many days does it take you to collect that many apple jams?

[minor ember]

Preserves are my fav money maker! Well done!!

[floral talon]

yes jar is great

[cedar yacht]

from apple tree making start? or starting when putting in my jams?

also, inbetween i also sell preserved onions, and sell a lot of bok choy seeds, and glow worms from star quality tomato.

so i got a decent amount of money sources

[proud fjord]

I’m just curious.. I’ve been selling bok choy seeds almost exclusively because I thought that was the best money maker but should I be diversifying? I think I have about 15-20 seed makers and only 2 preserve jars.. I grow mostly bok choy with a bit of tomato (which I preserve) and potato (which I use in the worm bins). I’m just kind of winging it though.. not sure if I have the best set up. 🤷‍♀️

[minor ember]

I have 3 preserve jars. I sell mostly preserves and worms & fertilizer from my worm farms. I'm almost done buying things at this point. I have more gold than I know what to do with so production is at a minimum. I put about 40-50 jars in the shipping bin the other day and got something like 17k gold. I do that once or twice a week.

[stable ginkgo]

Bok choy seeds are the best value per tile of all the plants. Bok choy preserves are the best for fastest gold per hour.

[floral talon]

in the end farm what suits u best theres a reason i have a super weird layout rn (which il definitly replace by max pple with lots of fert use cuz i have infinite fert anywasy

[proud fjord]

thanks Aqajj.. I’ve looked at your spreadsheets (super helpful, thanks!) but I get a little mind-boggled trying to figure out the best scenario for my plot. I usually log on twice a day to empty/refill the seed collectors, harvest plants etc.. I use harvest boost fertilizer and I’m level 26 with all starred seeds. would it be more profitable for me to switch to bok choy preserves instead of seeds? I had thought from your sheets that seeds were most profitable but maybe I misunderstood..?

[stable ginkgo]

i used to run the seeders logging on about twice a day, i don't know the production rates for seeds/preserves off the top of my head, but you can always start with seeders and if you find that you have a ton building up, switch over some to preserves until you reach an equal point. but since you're not playing much seeders are nice because they take so long

[floral talon]

seeders take long but they only run half the capcity though how long can bokchoi seeds run before they need player interaction?

[stable ginkgo]

like 15 hours I think

[floral talon]

so for poeple who hopin once a day bokchoi might actually not be that good since they easily miss like 6-7 hours of processing time interesting
if they are not gettign many growth ticks either which is what we think bokchoi works best for

[clear kindle]

i always assumed that bok choy was best suited for the major home decorators. the ones that have absolutely no problems hanging out on their plots and moving/crafting furniture with short runs out to get materials or some other quick task. that way, the player could be at the plot moving the bok choy around to the various crafters that it needs to be in.

[proud fjord]

ya.. that makes sense.. and that pretty much describes my play style. I spend most of my time puttering around my home plot.

[clear kindle]

and apples are great for people who have no life outside of work and just stays on their computer or switch (most of the time both) for the entire day to let them grow as you can afk the game just by moving a bit every so often

[void granite]

using quality boost on star seeds is no use right?

[echo hill]

Can anyone recommend a good plot for growing mainly rice, but also spicy peppers and blueberries?

[floral talon]

Depends on your lv

[cedar yacht]

time to sell

and this on the side

[humble vale]

Unfortunately, if you place your garden on top of the lake, you still need to be watering them x)

[floral talon]

wth how did u and what plot is that

[humble vale]

it's the newest landscape, on my mainplot 🙂 just floating the stuff 😄

[waxen belfry]

[humble vale]

First I was considering building a skygarden.. but ended up experimenting lakegarden

[floral talon]

nice

if u cancel the anchor would it go back to the same exact spot on beginning of the plot?

[humble vale]

everything will go back to where it was if you just cancel place it and upload the plot

[patent gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/witchcraft-hunchback-of-notre-dame-frollo-animated-gif-19403567

[patent gyro]

But what a great idea!

[stone frost]

heyo, im "new" to the game, gardening lvl 7, does anyone know whats the best layout for that level? i wanna min-max stuff but im bad at it

i found this one and im attempting it, not sure if things changed in last couple of updates
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP-PRPTCrTPRP

[floral talon]

Decent but put cotton on the corners of each soil to make it for low levels

[stone frost]

so cotton instead of potato?

[floral talon]

like each soil top left button right for example so u get more quality up

forgot to mention not on every corner only 2 opposing

[stone frost]

ah ok, thanks!

and uh... another not so smart question:
do i harvest everything or just specific crops?

[floral talon]

idk u can keep ap lant unharvested if u dont feel like it or u can harvest and replant when something is done or wait till an entire field is done and harvest replant whatever u like

[uneven fulcrum]

Hello, is it possible to still have seeds from the plants you already got seeds from ? (Idk if that makes sense)

[floral talon]

u mean the not garrdening plants? NO
the drop em only once to my knowledge

[uneven fulcrum]

Yes I was talking abt these ones
Okay good to know ! Thanks

[slate kelp]

Hi, finded a garden very cool for organizing cake party or not.
Need 19 vs 9 booster per day in game.
left 2 fert water on 2 tomato in left picture.

[floral talon]

what also i made the one on the right although i heard others invented it around the same time
i can make cake layouts no problem already own one that makes the blueberrys and apples afk incase u dont wanna harvest the rest

mh the one on the left is every interesting indeed but i dont think u can ditch the fert much more then that

[floral talon]

im gonna try to tinker with the left one when i can

[stone frost]

question if i understand this correctly:
placing cotton boosts quality of the plants around it, as if i planted the star seed, correct?

[floral talon]

It boosts quality chance of adjacent

[waxen belfry]

How do you make Apple Jams?

Newbie here.

[upbeat pivot]

by using preserves jar. you unlock it on lvl8 of gardening.

[waxen belfry]

Thankiess!

[frigid inlet]

Is there way to obtain apple before planting the tree?

[floral talon]

yeay but planting tree is way easier (all those methods are rng or begging after havng unlocked honey lures)

[frigid inlet]

Know some methods? I need fruits for petit fives xdd

[floral talon]

zeki coins rummage piles give a small chance at em DUDE JUST PLANT THAT TREE and be patient or make someone else bring the apples to cook that dish
i hope im not being to subtle 🙂

[frigid inlet]

Okey.thanks

[floral talon]

yw and if ur impatient on petitfives quest see that quest as an introduction for cooking with someone

[patent gyro]

I completed that quest early on into me playing by asking around on the server chat if anyone could cook with me. I think you get apples and the apple (and blueberry) seeds as rewards from completing some quests/friendship quests but I think it's Level 3 frienship for Badruu and Level 4 for Nai'o - can't remember who else gifts them

Or if you're level 10 on gardening you can get the seeds from Badruu's guild store with the medals - to get there just keep your focus bar filled and garden for a few days, also visit the phoenix and dragon shrine to increase your focus and focus bonus to help you good luck

[floral talon]

they changed things in an update that u get seeds till lv10 so u get it form that now

[spare nexus]

whats a good avg daily inc from your garden?

[floral talon]

4k/palian day (counting processing stuff to)

palian day being ur growthticks ofcourse which dont count nonstop

[spare nexus]

apologies i should have added soemthing in that...whats a good daily income for someone new that is below lvl 10

[floral talon]

also 4k per growth tick but ustruggle with processing due to beign low on crafters

or maybe cuz ucant qwuality up everything 3500

[spare nexus]

ok mhmmm i see, my plot needs a bit of work then

thank you for the info 🙂 very much appreciated

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

[stone frost]

thats a lotta farms

[floral talon]

have ur pick XD

[stone frost]

im interested with second one

[floral talon]

or get inspired and realise theres practically only 4 farms with effective cotton usage ...

[stone frost]

i tried making some adjustments and got this one
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRPTCrTPRCo-CoRPTCrTPRCo-CoRPTCrTPRCo-CoTPWCrWPTCo-AAAAAAAAA-CoTPWCrWPTCo-CoRPTCrTPRCo-CoRPTCrTPRCo-CoRPTCrTPRCo

[floral talon]

second is great for getting a bit of everything when gettign started

[floral talon]

if that works for you remember layouts are all about being hand tailored to suit you

[spare nexus]

Sorry for the quality of the picture but this one was my first slightly decent attempt at it, 2.1k daily avg

[floral talon]

u can improve the harvest buff on that by giving rice their buddy

also u can scrnshot in browser with rclick scrnshot then u can select parts of the website to scrnshot

[spare nexus]

Oh thank you for that tip. I wasn't aware of that 🙂

[floral talon]

dead to phone scrnshots

[spare nexus]

Yea I tried to use clipart for it but for some reason it wanted to have a fit 🤣

Thank you for your help DuhScape 🙂

[stone frost]

k another question now, and i think im done with bothering:
when is the good time to ditch cotton?
i have some star seeds but, for example i only have only one apple seed rn, non starred, it would benefit from cotton, as for others i ranked up 30+ starred seeds

[floral talon]

lv 25 with star seeds u have 0 benefit
u can use the slider on that layout maker website to c what levels affect things how much
lv38 unstarerd seeds always star produce
but yeay at like lv24 ur star chances with star seeeds are like 98% or something so u could chose to stop cotton abit earlier i just dont reocmmend cuz u rgonna need so much cotton anyways to make everything

[stone frost]

gotcha, thanks a lot man ❤️

[inland forge]

Is turning your tomatoes into seeds still the best profit for them, or should I be pickling or selling outright?

[stable ginkgo]

Depends on what you’re looking for. If it’s value per crop, preserve them. If you’re going for the most money as fast as possible, seed them.

[floral talon]

if ur not having crafter capacity issues its the fololowing
bokchoi potatoe seeds
the rest jars
unles no jar version cotton=selfuse for fabric

what i said will be bestest for almost everyone but aqajj has valueble insights for more hhardcore farmers

[inland forge]

oh so don't bother with tomato?

[floral talon]

tomatoe jar it

unles u farm like really much in a day then crafter time becomes more important and u wanna turn it into seeds in stead but thaat wont be the case for most pople

[inland forge]

gdi I've been doing it the other way around, lol, tomato seeds and potato jars

ty for the info

[floral talon]

i mean u can jar potatoes but thats more for if u just dont wanna seed em or if u get a ton of harvest per irl day ...

[lusty shore]

Sorry, I have a question: how do you get super fast fertilizer? I started growing blueberries but it took forever before I could harvest them...🤯. As always, thanks to whoever answers me.🙏

[clear kindle]

the speedygrow fertilizer is now only available from badruu's guild store (so you have to be level 10 minimum with 10 guild coins for 50 fertilizer. it was taken out because there were bugs with it not working as intended i believe, it wasn't working when partnered with harvest boost buff. not completely sure because i never used speedygrow

[floral talon]

Its to bugged to use for getting more produce
Medals are also to valueble to buy ir for xp speedrunning xd do just dont use it unless ur chasing leaderboard positions xd

[lusty shore]

No no, I don't care about the ranking (I didn't even know it existed 😅 ) but it's just that certain plants take a long time to grow🤯 .

[floral talon]

For impatience dont bother just learn to cheese growthticks xd

[minor nymph]

Did they nerf apple jam again? a stack only gives 4k now?! I swear it gave upwards of 8k last time I sold

and what is the best thing to grow/process/sell rn for maximum profit?

[floral talon]

depends on to many factors but i suggest tryharding bokchoi if u want hte mostest money per growth tick

[light iris]

Worms love tomatoes. I get a lot of Harvest boost from them and worms

[floral talon]

u can jar em first aswell ... and its sitll not THE tiems i recommend for worming

[light iris]

What do you recommend? I also use meat, they seem to prefer chapaa, because its free. I am only after Harvest boost at this point because I'm level 337 so everything is starred.

[floral talon]

tomatoes are still the worst wormable crop for that htough cuz with tomatoes u get lots of harvest of lower value items like its literly the wrost one u could chose of the jarrables
pick something like apples jar it then worm that jam if u wanna do gardening stuff

u can also grill fish and dump cooking partys food in or buy mountain morels or osmething from zeki and use those

but if ur happy doing tomatoes go ahead just saying its not efficeint XD

[light iris]

I see, I tried morels but I didn't get a good yield. And I stopped putting pickled stuff in because it didn't change the yield enough to justify the time. All my 3 apple trees go for jam and with the potatoes I get close to 40,000 a day. I have a lot of preserve jars. That way I use the extra tomatoes to feed the worms and sell the excess worms (I have 2 reg. and 5 glow) and Harvest boost. I'll check that out on the potato seeds, thank you for the tip!

[floral talon]

wel like do u want ur wormers to profit or produce max fert and worms is kidna the thing

and how do u farm that u need so muhc fert XD

[light iris]

I use the Harvest boost Every time every day. Guarantees 3 of every plant every harvest and 24 apples per harvest. I used to have to buy it from Badruu and it was too much but now I have extra, probably too much.

[floral talon]

show layout

[light iris]

I don't know how to do that but I have potato tomato first row except cotton second to last my blueberry bush pepper bush another blueberry bush then rows of potato tomato potato to keep everything watered, then 3apple trees in a row, down at the bottom I keep the 5 total cotton its all profit unless I need fabric and I had to work out potato tomato to keep them watered. I do have a weed problem though, but I just sell them or give them to Caleri or Najuma when they ask.

Oh yeah, I don't Harvest boost the blueberries or peppers because you have to replant so often it gets expensive. I mostly just grow them for recipes but they are ok on profit for jarring.

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[light iris]

Thank you! I'll check this out, I appreciate the tips. I've been sidetracked with so much other stuff that I haven't been focusing on my garden.

[floral talon]

a good garden that suits ur needs makes life in palia way easier

[light iris]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HBBT.HBBP.HSpSp-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HSpSpP.HBBT.HBB-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HCo.HT.HCo.HCo.HCo.HP.HT.HCo.H-P.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.HP.HT.HP.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H Huh, I copy and pasted this I think I messed it up. It has my garden on it, it's so cool thank you! now I can try out that other layout I wanted to try!

[floral talon]

yeay so u need so muhc cuz ur garden is for poeple who want to very easily seed but that is really inefficient though fert wise
and i mean really inefficient
so if u need a better layout lemme know

the stuff adjacent to blueberrys and apples doesnt need fert though

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PB.HB.HTB.HB.HP.HSpSp-PT.HPPT.HPP.HT.HP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HSpSpPB.HB.HTB.HB.H-P.HT.HPPT.HPPT.HP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-T.HCoTCo.HCo.HCo.HP.HT.HCo.H-P.HT.HPP.HT.HPP.HT.HP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H
now its your layout but with fertliser fixed at least

[atomic glen]

I have over-researched and confused myself lol - every video seems to conflict the last and the websites are not helping at this point I'm over thinking- 🤔 lol - what is the best thing to do with my darn apples? Make seeds? Make jam? I now have 17 regular apples, 15 star apples, 1 apple tree grown, and 1 stared apple seed - I don't want to waste them

[inland forge]

I also have this question. Additionally, how many preserve makers and seed makers do I want on my plot for maximum efficiency?

[floral talon]

as many as u can without having to sacrifice something else oyu need

at peak i ran 30

[inland forge]

thanks for the info ❤️

[feral tree]

for corn is it more profitable to throw them into preserves, seed maker or just straight up sell them after harvest?

[minor ember]

I do seeds or preserves. Mostly preserves because that is more gold.

[feral tree]

gotcha ty!

[floral talon]

J A R

[proven scaffold]

What’s the most efficient way to grow cotton? Is it just to fill the entire plot with it or is there a special thing to do

[minor ember]

I use the same no water, no weed layout and have for a long time. I would check out the garden planner and look at what boosts each crop has and decide if you want any of those to help your cotton along better.

[proven scaffold]

What layout is that?

[minor ember]

I got it from someone on here. This is what I use and don't plan on changing it anytime soon. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PCOTOCrOBkP-TPTRCRCbBkCb-OCPCrOTPBkO-BkBBCbBBPSpSp-AAAAAAAAA-BBBkBBCbSpSpP-OSpSpCTWCoCbC-BkTBkCPCOTO-SpSpOWTCCCbCo

[proven scaffold]

There’s only 2 cotton plants

[minor ember]

Yeah, I don't need a lot so that works for me. People post their ideas in here all the time. You can scroll up and look at the ones others have posted and see if they will work for what you need. Or you can play around in that planner and see what you can come up with.

[proven scaffold]

Makes sense. I’ll take a look later on.

[glad steppe]

guys what's the best 9x9 layout for maximum profit? is going 5 apple trees worth it? or 1 Apple and focus on potatoes? or some mix? pls someone halp mee

[floral talon]

1 lane cotton 1lane harvestbuffs 1lanecotton

[floral talon]

Depends on lots of factors best tryhard is 2/3 bokchoi with harvestbuff plants in between

[cedar yacht]

i like how often i can sell my seeds

my layout is chill relax

5 apple trees, with tomatoes, onions and bok choy in between to give buffs

harvestboosted apple trees and bok choy, and water retain boosted tomatoes to make it fully automated and fully boosted

[proven scaffold]

What would yall say is a good setup for trying to level up fast in gardening

[barren spindle]

What gardening level again that guarantees star crop even with non-star seed?

[humble granite]

Best use of apples?

[floral talon]

25 without quality up

[floral talon]

jam cake partys or jam>worm(not sure if glowy ones)

[floral talon]

depends what is your level for low level or high lv its different
but i can get u ur perfect xp layout no probs

[humble granite]

I'm lvl 142 with 36 gardening! I've been selling apple seeds but i'm not sure if it's the best use for them

[floral talon]

bokchoi potatoe only things u seed that can be jarred the rest just jar

[floral talon]

your total level is not relevant but 36 gardening isnt low level
so for just xp u can ditch harvest buff and waterretain weedblock with optional weedblockfrom fert and just go for apples so you get more growthticks in if u forgot to tend to your plants every plant gives the same xp/tile/growth ticks so you want stuff to grow as much as possible

[humble granite]

sweet i'll add a lil sticky note, thanks!

[zinc garnet]

does it matter the order I harvest crops or do they keep their bonuses after being grown?

like if I pick up the quality boosting plant, do the surrounding plants that are also ready to harvest lose that bonus?

[floral talon]

they need to get boosted when they grow at growthtick. so if done growing it dont matter inbetween growth ticks it dont matter if u replant

growthtick is it start of day in palian time
but only counts when online and 1time after online

[proven scaffold]

I’m half way to level 6 rn. I’m trying to get to level 10 for blueberries and apples

[floral talon]

just keep using those low level layouts

[lucid cobalt]

Someone said that after a certain level of gardening your crops all come out as star quality. If so, what level is that? anyone know?

[clear kindle]

level 25 guaranteed star crops from star seeds, level 38 (guaranteed level 50) star crops from any seed

[lucid cobalt]

Got it! Thank you!

[heavy oyster]

whats the purpose of Stared Cotton? does it do anything different?

[manic meteor]

Not for fabric or bombs etc. but the seeds and cotton itself sell for more. That's about it for now.

[cursive venture]

I'm pretty proud of my garden, all those apples from 1 harvest

[proven scaffold]

Are there any decent set ups that don’t include Apples/bkusbeffies. I haven’t unlocked those yet

[floral talon]

low level layout needed?

[proven scaffold]

Yeah

[floral talon]

Send em when i can

[floral talon]

Here be low lv

[honest sierra]

Hey! ^^ I'm pretty new to the game so I was wondering, how come there are no weed prevention plants on the setups you've linked? Are those plants not worth growing?

Also, should I be looking to make a 9x9 gardening plot?

[floral talon]

Cuz newbs cant be bothered with tons of fert need quality up water retain and harvestboost
They also need weedwhacker for ez renown achivement
They can be if fit in ur layout

[floral talon]

Straight lines (apples can Lshspe) or square best

[honest sierra]

Ahh I understand, thank you! So far I am running a straight line with everything in the middle having 4 bonuses and everything on the outside having 3

[floral talon]

shape wise u generally want stuff with less corners cuz corners only get 2 buffs so that leaves straight lines(Lshape with apples) and one giant sqaure if that makes sense
new guys need tons of cotton to make their own fabric and benefit from its buff XD
and how cnau faram without waterretain and harvest boost(harvestboost can be ditched if u only want xp though)

[honest sierra]

Thank you for summing that up so nicely ^^

And I prioritise harvest boost and quality boost where possible but I sadly don't have access to giving cotton that buff yet since I got no access to spicy peppers yet (and aside from that, apples and blueberries too) :(

[floral talon]

oh cotton doesnt need quality up it goes straight intot hte loom

[honest sierra]

Oh awesome, there is no HQ fiber?

That's a relief

[floral talon]

nope so starred cotton into loom is negative profit XD

[honest sierra]

I guess I just sell it then \o/

[floral talon]

then again i think cotton is only worth farming for self ues as fabric but im to lazy to do the math at least cotton fits horribly in eevry layout if u dont need quality up as its then useless buff

[floral talon]

cotton into seeds is profit for star to though
but you need so muhc cotton to craft everything ul run out even if u farm it the whole time as quality buffer till lv25

like im still sometimes needing more

[honest sierra]

Yeah, I am gonna keep growing it since I need it, I'm not at the "Just farm for money" stage yet I think unless it's more beneficial to buy veggies from somewhere

Currently just level 5

[floral talon]

buying stuff is at least twice as expensive as making it urself

[honest sierra]

indeed

[floral talon]

so make your own seeds

[honest sierra]

I almost feel like I need more than 1 seed collector

[floral talon]

and fabric unles u need like 5of something cuz it isnt worth the bother of remaking a llayout for that lol

[honest sierra]

There are so many plants that I need seeds for

[floral talon]

i used 30 at peek but now its not worht the effort for me anymore

[weary grail]

This is perfect 👌 I was stressing trying to get every crop planted, tysm ❤️

[echo hill]

Hello all, could anyone recommend a good layout to get Cotton, Wheat, Corn, and Onions please? Thank you

[floral talon]

Excellent addition to the cakeplot collections

[wise garden]

How long do trees grow?

[weary grail]

Anyone else issues with the crop plots? i have a stray tomato plant that wont go away.

[floral talon]

i mean tis multy harvest but should vanish after 3 harvests

[echo oriole]

I'm only level 12 gardening, but I want to be able to generate materials for cake parties (probably chili dumplings too) while also being able to make a little money with seeds/preserves on the side. When I play I'm back at my plot once a game day anyway so being water and weed free doesn't matter as much as star quality produce. Here's what I came up with to hold me over until I'm high enough in gardening that using star seeds guarantees star produce and can switch to a more afk-friendly setup. Would appreciate any input on needed changes.

[floral talon]

U can grab an afk one and replace all the weedblock with cotton for example though that wont give u spicy peppers

[floral talon]

Does its job though none of the weedblock or waterretain have a buddy plant

[gloomy ingot]

how can I get blueberries? I checked the wiki but i am way below lvl 10 so i cannot buy for these medals yet, is there another way?

[deep umbra]

Badruu level 3 friendship quest, rummage piles, or get lucky with Lucky Box.

[gloomy ingot]

thank you 🙂

[spark bane]

i got bluberry seeds when i reached level 8 from badruu

[past night]

new around here and just recently started looking to optimize my plants. I'm trying to stay away from fertilizers but would love any feedback!

[floral talon]

its abit difficult to read how good it is without fert filled in on spots that miss out on the essential buffs like water retain

but is ee you made an everything layout and those are super hard to do fertless/low on fert

[past night]

I don't plan to fertilize so how does having fert on the spots missing buffs help?

sorry I'm new to this and not fully following

[floral talon]

then i can see from the picure which spots dont have water retain without fert

[past night]

with water retention and weed prevention fert

the little corn far side doesn't get weed prevention cause it'll need both ferts ;-;

[floral talon]

i approve of this layout

[past night]

no suggestions?

[surreal rain]

wonder if i can figuer out a layout for like. potato, with water retention. so i can just . leave it to grow.

[floral talon]

nah i dont specialise in everything layouts (only everything but that)

[floral talon]

... thats not the most complicated ones but if u need help feel free to ask

[surreal rain]

lol i mostly make potato to sell.

theres this. that makes for like. no need to do anything gardening. but shrug it gets to be a pain sometimes with seed makers

[floral talon]

wth is that abomination

which buffs do you need?

[past night]

shouldn't the far end be another boost line instead of weed prevention

[surreal rain]

lol water retain, weed prevention.

[floral talon]

std layouts are usually more like this

[surreal rain]

wish there was a way to bust out apple trees with both but pfff i doubt even possible..

[floral talon]

parle anglais?

[floral talon]

no harvest boost or quality up needed?

[surreal rain]

naah. star seeds. 😄

[floral talon]

harvest boost is just 50% more produce only ingnored on xp layouts

[past night]

I was going more for profit and little interaction, especially on the apple trees and bushes and whatnot.

[surreal rain]

i'm not that concerned about xp at the moment. , i'm only lvl 20 in gardening. almost entirely by potato and cotton

[floral talon]

ur close ot getting 100% star produce from star seeds then and not needing quality up

[surreal rain]

guessin them giant things are lettuces ?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-O.HOCrPCbPCr.WCrO-CrOOPCbPOCrCr-CrCrOPCbPOOCr-OCrCrPCbPCrOO-OOCrPCbPCrCrO-CrOOPCbPOCrCr-CrCrOPCbPOOCr-OCrCrPCbPCrOO-OOCr.HPCbPCrCrO.W
most afk potatoe the onions and corn represent buddys of harvestboost plants and weedblock plants

[surreal rain]

like oooo ...something i havent planted yet

[floral talon]

?_?

[surreal rain]

lol apparently they are nappa cabbage ..forgive

[floral talon]

well i made u a max afk potatoe layout enjoy

[surreal rain]

Tyyyyyyy

[floral talon]

it also shows all the ways u can chain 1 tile plants to get buffs on em

[surreal rain]

just gotta buy like. 6 more nappa cabbage seeds. 😄

wonder if i should put them all in a line like that or leave as huge square

[floral talon]

i recommend going for corn potatoe 5 day harvest time
bokchoi carrots rice 3days cabbage 6
so harvest times arent constant otherwise theres no point in making it afk

most layouts be like we are afk and hten need to be harvested once per growthtick anyways ... -facepalm-

[surreal rain]

it'd just be nice to like. plant and water and go to bed and wake up to things to harvest. or something

[floral talon]

set and forget layouts for overnight not logging out

[echo oriole]

Thanks! The weedblock and watering plants are just there for seeds/preserves and a bit for cooking as opposed to actually doing their jobs.

[warped terrace]

I need some good garden layouts with corn, apples, bok choy, lettuce. Something like an afk farm.

[lilac cloak]

would this work in a 9x9

[floral talon]

Yeay but u would need more fertiliser

[lilac cloak]

gotcha okay thanks

[bold gate]

gasp italian crops!!

[surreal rain]

GhASP

[quasi jackal]

is the seeder worth the 1k gold? im worried when i put my crops in i wont be able to sell them after kinda like the worm maker

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrWBkWBkWBkWCr-BkWWBkCrBkWCrBk-CrBkBkWBkWCrCrCr-WCrWBkBkWBkCrW-BkCrCrWWBkCrBkCr-CrWCrWBkWWBkCr-BkCrBkCrWBkCrWBk-WCrWBkCrCrBkWCr-BkWCrBkBkBkBkCrW

[floral talon]

u can and how would u even get seeds again without it XD

[quasi jackal]

been using this setup with out the bttom row

[quasi jackal]

very trueeee hahaha cant be buying them boys 🙂

[floral talon]

its a recipe u can craft 30 of em (actually more but ucan only use 30 max) they save u tons of money by not havign to buy zeki seeds alone and u can sell ur produce for more

agent ur new to farming right like brandnew need low level layout?

oh and u need seeders to get starred seeds

[quasi jackal]

oh yea hahaha only lvl 5 i heard boc choy might be the best idkkk loll

[quasi jackal]

alrightttttt you talked me into it lollll

[floral talon]

harvets boost gives you +50% produce if used right
quality up makes more chance of getting starred produce which is 50% more valueble
but at higher levels u dont need quality up anymore as u get higher base chance of it

that layout u send doesnt work well for low levels cuz u need the quality up

[quasi jackal]

ahhhh okay okay

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbPCoCrRCrCo.HpCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb.Hp
Lane maximum star quality for only 2 water retain fert can swap water retain with harvest boost aswell if u prefer other fert
lots of fert version of low levels not very practical for most

take your inspiration from these and feel free to make ur own thing

[quasi jackal]

DANGGGG THANKYOU!!

[sly canyon]

Are we not able to make weed block fertilizer anymore?

[floral talon]

you never were zeki exists

[quasi jackal]

what is the most useless crop i wanna use it for worm making lolll

[floral talon]

tomatoe is more work

[floral talon]

just dont farm that one XD

[floral talon]

dump trash meats in worms or grill ur fish stuff like that is best unles u wanna put ur apple jam in

[quasi jackal]

bet bet thankyou

[floral talon]

grilling fish does have some finer details but just lockbox ur valueble fishes and ul be safe

[slate kelp]

How that tomatoes need more work ?? You don't need to replant/water seed so often than other vegetables.

[floral talon]

they got super annoying harvesting times and u need to top up the processing more often cuz its like 3for one jar so u can only get 11 jars per topup unlike the rest which is 31

also more effective harvesting effort per growthtick

but many poeple like harvesting more and stuff im just saying htey are technically more work

[floral talon]

processing of hte produce happens in the seedmaker or jarmaker adding fert is somethign else XD

[slate kelp]

Finded anoher with only 15 fert with the little coton ^^

[proven scaffold]

What does growth boost do

[floral talon]

+50% produce

[proven scaffold]

Does a larger plant (like apples or blueberries) need one week prevention per square it takes up to work or just two per plant

[floral talon]

xtiles per growthtick

[proven scaffold]

Could you translate that in simpler terms

[floral talon]

times tiles per growthtick

[proven scaffold]

So an apple tree would need 9 weed prevention surrounding it and a blueberry would need 4?

[floral talon]

oh i thoguht uw ere talking fertiliser
apples need 3 of a buff on its sides to get it blueberry/spicypepper2 and 1tile plants 1

[proven scaffold]

So I only need one tomato next to a blueberry to get the water retaining buff and need 3 tomatoes next to an apple tree to get water retaining?

[floral talon]

2tomatoes for blueberry 3 for apple

[proven scaffold]

Awesome

[clear kindle]

though i would do 2 tomato plants and either potato or cabbage between them if you're looking for water prevention

[floral talon]

yes gives plants their buddy so they get theirr own buff but this was example

[proven scaffold]

What does harvest boost do

[floral talon]

+50% produce

[proven scaffold]

Does harvest and growth are the same?

[floral talon]

wtf is growth

[proven scaffold]

It says blueberries are growth boost

[floral talon]

no they arent they are harvestboost

[proven scaffold]

Thoughts

[floral talon]

no comment i dont want to get banned

[proven scaffold]

whats wrong with it

this is my first attempt

[floral talon]

mh 1st time u didnt do that bad then

[proven scaffold]

is it bad for aomeone with experience

[floral talon]

im sorry u tried ur best

[clear kindle]

i mean as long as it works for you and you don't mind tending to it every hour that you're online it's a good layout to me.

[floral talon]

im finishing fishing weeklys rn will commend and help after

[proven scaffold]

I don’t really mind. I was trying to get a little bit of everything

[clear kindle]

i'm not good with everything layouts though. i'm the type that if i need something specific i'll just wait until my apples are done then plant the entire area full of what i need

what's your level?

[proven scaffold]

In general or of farming?

[clear kindle]

farming

[proven scaffold]

7

[clear kindle]

ah, yeah, definitely need the cotton for a bit more

[proven scaffold]

Wdym

[clear kindle]

once you reach around level 25, all crops from star seeds will be star quality, around level 38 even regular seeds will give you star quality crops. once that happens cotton will be a "useless" crop as far as giving buffs to other crops, it would only be needed if you are in need of fabric and don't want to buy it from tish's store

[storm sandal]

hiiie, just started playing and I don't really know what I should be planting. anyone got tips?

[floral talon]

check here for lower level stuff

[wheat night]

Would would be a mid max gardening plot for best $$

I’m level 12 atm and have apples

[floral talon]

oh do you really want THE max money mid level garden are you sure?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-RCrCoBkCBkCo.HCoR-CoRCrBkCBkCrCoCo-CoCoRBkCBkRCrCo-CrCoCoBkCBkCoRCr-RCrCoBkCBkCoCoR-CoRCrBkCBkCrCoCo-CoCoRBkCBkRCrCo-CrCoCoBkCBkCoRCr-RCrCoBkCBkCoCoR.H

[wheat night]

Yes pls I like the shmoney

Ty!

[fair flicker]

Gotta go buy some blueberry seeds because i only have star quality blueberries and not normal ones

[floral talon]

why would u even want unstarred ones XD and u cant buy em unles medals but thats a waste

[fair flicker]

Because i remember that one day i wanted to make a dish in game that had blueburries but i only had starred ones...the problem is i didn't have a couple of the starred ingredients
I couldn't make an unstarred dish tho cuz i don't have unstarred blueberries

[floral talon]

check the box for allow starred it defaults to starred unles u dont have it then it tries unstarred in that order lockbox ur rare starred foragebles if u dont wnna use them

more starred ingredients more chance of starred meal which is 50% more valueble anyways and the effort in making it is almost he tentire cost anyways

[fair flicker]

Ima check that later

[floral talon]

only reason to want to garden unstarred is so you can gift stufff or if u keep forgetting to click that allow starred

[grim shuttle]

Is there no way to revert back or pick either one? What if I need regular apples or blueberries? Do I simply request them?

[clear kindle]

can't revert back, and there's no reason to have regular crops anyways unless you want to gift them to other players. dishes made with star quality ingredients give a higher chance (not 100%) of getting star dishes. and the way cooking is set up is that you can click on the little box that says "use star quality" to use the items. it will prioritize star quality ingredients but if they are not available, then it will use the regular ingredients instead. just make sure to either have enough of the star quality items to continue through the entire cooking process or put the star quality items in the lock box before starting

star quality crops produce star quality preserves or seeds which are also more money than regular crops

[cedar yacht]

96 more to go until sales time

[clear kindle]

love doing that with my apple jams. such good money

[humble sequoia]

how much do you make from this :O i have so many apples but havent put it to use yet

[clear kindle]

well, each jam is 144 gold as they are all star quality. so, if my math is correct, when they have a complete inventory it will be around 172,800g from selling all of those

[cedar yacht]

not yet completed though

though shouldnt take too long

in 5 or 6h

[native flax]

as a new player, I feel like a starving Victorian era child just by looking at this

[cedar yacht]

everyone starts somewhere and finds a way they enjoy making money eventually. i been playing since closed alpha

[floral talon]

Join an epic fish party make sure to have enuf onikn/rice

[cedar yacht]

cake parties and poke bowl parties those make more than what i do

but what i do requires little to no effort, and no other players

[native flax]

I've been doing hunting mostly but fishing might be a good altrnative. thanks

[cedar yacht]

farm layout

stuff just grew, easier to show: the big 3x3 squares are apple trees, 5 of them. then i got tomatos and onions up and down in each patch, and bok choy in the middle

everything is weed protected, and i added separate water retain fertilizer onto the tomatoes so everything's also water retention'd. furthermore added harvestboost to everything else

bok choy seeds i sell, tomatoes go in the glow worm farm, and onions and apples go into my preserve jars

whenever i get around to it, glow worms also make a tidy profit, sold a few stacks for 15k today

[floral talon]

Thats cooking xd epic fish partys is cooking but u still need farming for it to participate

[lean anchor]

How long does this take you

[cedar yacht]

give or take 5 or 6 hours? i got lots of preserve jars

got two stacks left to make as we speak

so thats each barrel twice, and got 16 barrels

each apple takes 1h16m to turn into a jam, so 2h32m to get 62

[cedar yacht]

but if you mean the entirety? idk, i dont count

i just wait until i got 480 apples to fill all my preserve jars with 30, meanwhile i use em for onions aswell

and given i harvest 120 apples per time i pluck my 5 trees?

[floral talon]

Its ok to play gardening as sn idle game

[lucid shuttle]

I make my gold gathering lot of iron and then smelting it overnight into bunch of ingots and selling those

doesn't make much ,but was good enough to help me build the house the way it currently is and will help me furnish it too

[floral talon]

thats not the best money making method but if u like mining its fine
best money making is gardening+cooking partys(epic fish partys)
then comes fishing

and whatever u do gardening is just free money on the side

[cedar yacht]

its sales time

and made my money, also bankrupted zeki, but eh

[floral talon]

he sells it to bahari city for double though

[midnight jetty]

Anyone have a good everything layout?

I had one somewhere that was fantastic and had water retention for everything and I can’t remember or find it

[dawn thicket]

dang, wrong link

[floral talon]

Thats low on harvestboost but still quiet good

[dawn thicket]

dang, i should have checked the link, i copied the wrong thing, that wasn't the one i made, and i lost the actual link, i'll redo it, one moment

[dawn thicket]

here is the correct link: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WRATPASpSpA-AASpAASpAAR-SpTWSpPRAAA-SpSpRAAAAAA-PTPTCoTPTP-AAAAAARSpSp-AAARPSpWTSp-RAASpAASpAA-ASpSpAPTARW

[floral talon]

thats not even an everything farm

[dawn thicket]

then i did not understand the assignment

[floral talon]

i guess

[minor osprey]

For beginners, what is the best plant I could start with?

[clear kindle]

fast growing crops with harvest boost, water retain and cotton for quality boost to start getting star crops asap since they are worth more. cotton can be for self use instead of buying fabric from tish's store. still need to check the layout every hour that you are online to get the weeds, but there's an achievement called weed whacker that you need to pick 1000 weeds to complete. once you have that, you should be at a higher level to with more crafting license to look into a more afk layout along with starting to think about what you want your garden to do for you and what type of focus food you want to use

[minor osprey]

is that wheat, bokchoy, cotton, potato, and corn?

[clear kindle]

rice, corn, cabbage, cotton and potato

[minor osprey]

oh thanks

[honest sierra]

I might switch my layout to this 😮 Just to level my gardening faster

A question. Shouldn't I alternate some of the rice with wheat, or does it not matter?

Since farming this way doesn't give any wheat, tomatoes, etc.

Do cooking recipes never call for a specific veggie?

[snow hemlock]

They definitely do, but quite often they'll give you a choice between two or three types of veggies

[honest sierra]

Ooh, I see! So I'd be safe going only for those 5?

I do already have a stockpile of some of the others since I wanted to be safe 😅 But it's still good to know

[snow hemlock]

This garden layout looks pretty good in terms of profit, but even without other veggies there's still a lot of food you'll be able to make. Most food will only give you focus, and that'll obviously change per dish, but you can always cook with a friend who has other ingredients to make other dishes. For example, me and my partner cook together and I have a ridiculous amount of foraged materials like mushrooms and spice sprouts and meats, while he has alot of veggies and other ingredients

You can always do a run of a certain ingredient, harvest it all to stockpile and then go back to your layout if need be

There's really no right or wrong answer to how you do it, just depends on what you want to prioritise

[honest sierra]

This is a very good point, and also super sweet how you two synergise your ingredients like that :D

[snow hemlock]

Like currently my plot is almost exclusively bok choy which I turn into kimchi and sell, which is pretty profitable but I'm not as invested in my farm as some people are (my partner has a full layout done up in a spreadsheet)

[honest sierra]

This is very good advice, thank you!

[snow hemlock]

You're welcome! There's definitely people more knowledgeable about gardening here than me but you'll find what works for you eventually!

[bold gate]

The higher your farming Level is, the higher the chance to get star quality crops, so the cotton falls off the higher your level is. Approximetely at lvl 25 all your crops will always be star quality no matter what and you never need anything to boost it.

[minor osprey]

Thanks!

[pliant nymph]

anyone have a layout that isn't just the usual? want to switch my layout cause i got really bored of the usual 9 soil grid.

[floral talon]

what do you want?

[pliant nymph]

something with apple trees and blueberries. i dont have weed fertlizer to use tho

[floral talon]

are u only interested in the apples and lbueberrys or also the rest

[pliant nymph]

id need to do weed block and water retain unless there is a way to keep weeds from growing on everything

[river maple]

Someone shared this on the Palia Reddit, has apples and blueberries and 100% Water retain and weed prevention

[livid ibex]

quick gardening question: whats the most "effective" farden you can make using anything except apple, blueberry, and spicy peppers
if you wanted to get super technical with it

[gloomy gust]

does apple jam sell better than kimchi? cause I'm gonna need to switch out my crops

[clear kindle]

star apple jam sells for 144 gold each, not sure what kimchi sells as i have only ever harvested apples

[gloomy gust]

90.... it sells for 90.... okay, I go plant apples then

[clear kindle]

just be aware, apples take 12 hours to get to your first harvest, and then 6 more hours until each harvest after that. depending on your setup, you might honestly make more kimichi in the time period of the apples

[neat vortex]

Something like this, maybe? if you're looking for non-9x9 layouts
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-Bk.HOCbTB.HB.HCbB.HB.H-P.HTO.HBkCr.HBkOTP-CbPBk.HB.HB.HOB.HB.HCb-O.HBkTPR.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPR.HPT.HBkO.H

[neat vortex]

This can also be laid out in a straight line if you don't want the L-bends on the ends

[neat vortex]

For your specific needs and gameplay, what makes a garden "effective"?

[livid ibex]

I’m going for profit per harvest rn

[clear kindle]

if you've got the time and crafters bok choy harvest boosted with rice/wheat/corn apparently makes good money, they're quick crops (3 hours until harvest) but can wind up having an overabundance of raw crops since the seeder takes 1.5 hours and the preserve jars take 36m (iirc)

[dawn thicket]

what about this? i tried to do -bit of every crops -full water retention -two apple trees and -every buffs on apples and berries

[floral talon]

seems decent

[neat vortex]

Clever! Would you mind sharing the planner link? :D (use the Save button)

[dawn thicket]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbPRTAAOAA-CTPASpSpASpSp-WTOBkPRCTCr-BkAATCoBPBkB-ATBBCbBBPA-BBkPBCoTAABk-CrTCRPBkOTW-SpSpASpSpAPTC-AAOAATRPCb

[neat vortex]

Thanks!

[minor osprey]

anyone has a layout with tomatoes? with no fruit

[floral talon]

i mean on mine i can swp potatoe/cabbage for em in that case i got like 30 of em so whatexactly do you need so i can grab the right one

[minor osprey]

a layout with tomatoes, potato, and corns in it would be great

[floral talon]

what buffs would u liker on it u need quality up still? fert use?

like this?

[minor osprey]

qual up

[minor osprey]

but that's great

[floral talon]

so ur level is?

[minor osprey]

7

[floral talon]

oh yeay then il change it real quick

somethign like this hsould do

you might wanna swap the tomatoe with potatoe so u can run through it in straight lines to harvest tomatoes sinceu harvest those more often

[minor osprey]

Thanks

[fair flicker]

If only my apple trees grew quicker i'd plant something new lol 😭

(i'm gonna buy fertilizer later)

[tribal blaze]

We've decided we're a rice farmer.

[fair flicker]

This reminds me of when i farmed cotton and got a loooot of it lul

[floral talon]

Give it a buddy next time so it gets harvest boost

[tribal blaze]

Rice already gives harvest boost.

[dawn thicket]

my understanding is that a crop doesn't receive boost from its own specie, so full rice won't do anything, for example, this layout full rice vs same layout but with some wheat mixed in: much better yield with the wheat:

[tired steeple]

Can confirm, you have to rotate crops to get the boosts.

[tribal blaze]

We see. Thank you~

[floral talon]

correct but for ez planting we usually do rice wheat rice for example

if ur low level dont underestimate qulity up from cotton sot he rice and wheat u harvest is 50% more valueble as well

[fallen latch]

can somebody explain me in child language how the harvest boost fertilizer works? (the one u get from the worm machine by giving meat) coz i have my apple tree, all alone with no buffs, and i applied the fertilizer on the tree like 4 times? i had "harvest boost 27"..and when i harvested the apple tree it gave me 16 apples. i dont really understand the mechanics of how much fertilizer to apply and timing

[neat vortex]

The simplest way I can think to explain it is this:

• For every tile that a crop sits on, one piece of fertilizer is used every Palian cycle ("day") that the plant grows (i.e., at 6AM Palia time, the daily growth tick).
  • For example, tomatoes take 1 fertilizer per Palian cycle; apples take 9, because they sit on 9 tiles (a whole soil).
• the "Harvest Boost 27" -- the number shows how many pieces of fertilizer are stored on the plant. 99 is the maximum for most plants (blueberries and peppers hold up to 100 pieces).
• HarvestBoost gives you a CHANCE at a +50% yield bonus: if the plant normally gives 2 of its crop, if the buff applies, then you get 3 (2 + 1 bonus); with apples, normally it's 16, with the buff it's 24 (i.e., 16 + 8 bonus)
• Every time the fertilizer is used by the plant, it makes it more likely that you will get the yield bonus. If the plant has fertilizer to use for ALL of its growth ticks until harvest, it adds up so that you are guaranteed to get the bonus.
  • For example, potatoes take 5 days to grow. If a potato plant has 1 piece of fertilizer on it, consumes it, and never gets any more until it is done, it will have only a 20% chance of getting the bonus, because the fertilizer was there for 1/5th of its growing time. So it will probably give you 2 potatoes, but maybe it will give you 3 (with the bonus).
  • On the other hand, if the plant has the fertilizer to use on all 5 days, then it has a 100% chance of getting the bonus yield.
  • In short, HarvestBoost is a stacking buff.
• Apples are a little tricky! They need 9 pieces of fertilizer for every day that the tree will be growing until it can be harvested next. Apples are first harvestable at 12 days, then every 6 days after that (18, 24, and 30 days). You can only stack up the fertilizer to 99 per tree, even though it's on 9 tiles (so that only covers 11 days if you don't come back to add more.) 27 fertilizer would only cover 3 days before it runs out.

Basically, you will want to put the fertilizer on the plant as soon as you plant the seed, and then keep topping it off as it gets lower. I also like to use fertilizer counts to keep track of my tomatoes so they don't jumpscare me when they go poof XD

[fallen latch]

ohhhhh oh my god i now understand the physics behind it. you're a very good teacher

so this means that the max i can get, if i do, it's 50% more. so even if i could put 10k fertilizer i wont get more than 24 right?

but if i want a guarantee that it will happen i have to make sure that the tree is fertilized everyday, either i put 9 fertilizer every day or all of em at once

[neat vortex]

Right, it's either +50% yield or no bonus at all.

It doesn't scale up between the two, it's either/or

[neat vortex]

Yep, you got it! Since your apple tree isn't being watered by anything, the best way to do it if you're only going to fertilize once per day (but then you have to store the fertilizer, lol) would be to fertilize, THEN weed+water, so even if the growth tick catches you, the tree won't pass through the growth tick without having the fertilizer on it.

But if you ask me, it's better to stack it up at least a little bit so you have some insurance and also so that the fertilizer is in the ground and not in your storage lol. One apple tree needs 270 fertilizer over its life cycle, and that's a lot of storage space, even if you keep it in the output bin of your worm farms.

By the way: any extra fertilizer just stays on the tile(s) even after the plant is harvested, and it isn't consumed if the plant is getting the same buff from a neighbor, either. It doesn't go away unless you replace it with another kind of fertilizer; then it all comes right back up and into your inventory. :)

(Multi-tile crops also will give you the fertilizer back when you plant anything where they were, and then you have to re-apply it)

[fallen latch]

thank you so much you explained it so well i could cry xD and yes i was already considering at this point to stack up fertilizer and refill if once i see the number go low

[neat vortex]

\o/

I honestly start getting a little nervous if my apple trees get below 80 fertilizer or so, haha, but I also have a self-watering, self-weeding layout and am prone to zoning out for hours... :x

[floral talon]

tnx for doing my job ren

[neat vortex]

Your job! 😂

[floral talon]

yes farming coach for newbs and experienced

[neat vortex]

I seem to remember when I was coaching you 😉

[floral talon]

yeay so long ago but u mostly coached me at cooking XD now im the layout maker unles poeple demand everything layouts then i tell em to go ... the.... ....

i really should figure out where my super good everything layout is

[neat vortex]

I still find it hilarious that we arrived at (functionally) identical layouts on our own (the 4 apples AFK layout). Do you have a 5-apple one now?

[floral talon]

i think ibeat you to inventing htat one wiht 2 day difference XD
im using a 6 apple one wiht fert now i also got an afk 4 blues 4 apples for if u only farm those thigns
5 apple i dont see the point of that can tu just go 4 fertless or 6 with fert instead?

[neat vortex]

shrug Someone in another Discord asked if it was possible to have the apples on the outside corners instead, for visual reasons, so I came up with one. No blueberries, though.

[floral talon]

i mean the X shaped 5 apple ones can only get afk and harvest boost if fertiliser

[neat vortex]

Yeah, no HB without fertilizer

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.HpA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HO-BkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-OA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.HpA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HO.WA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.Hp if fert i use this

gotto do something with my full tray of fert every day man that one glowworm farm produces so much

[neat vortex]

Oh geez store-bought fertilizer XD I absolutely cannot with store-bought fertilizer, personally

[floral talon]

i mean i dont harvest those 6 plants im like meh

[pulsar haven]

is there any way to get more places to farm <///3 also can u only put one type of fertiliser on a plant? idk how to use but the weeds are annoying me </3

[floral talon]

they are super usefull if ur not a hermit

[neat vortex]

Alas, am hermit

[floral talon]

yup only one type of fert but plants can buff each other to

[neat vortex]

But my garden is extra-weird already to deal with my personal idiosyncrasies, so XD

[pulsar haven]

is that how urs works? sorry im looking at ur link and im like trying to understand it 😭

[floral talon]

are oyu new to farming if so i gotto breakdown the answer to you

[neat vortex]

I feel like I should link Arenvanya's guide more often XD
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit

[pulsar haven]

im not super new i just havent learned how they buff each other and stuff

[floral talon]

ok so adjacent plants give buff plant can not get buff from same type

theres a bunch of buffs quality up is for lower levels only though
harvest buff more produce yey
water retain no having ot water yey(unless annoying exceptions cuz game is coded weirdly)
weedblock ( no weeds can spawn)

OMG i finally managed to make an everything farm that works again

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.HP.HO.HBk.HSpSpO.HSpSp-BkCbPAAAAAA-OBkCb.HBBPBBO-PCbBkCrWOBkCbP-AAACrCb.HpBkAAA-PCbBkOWCrBkCbP-OBBPBBCb.HBkO-AAAAAAPCbBk-SpSpO.HSpSpBk.HO.HP.HCb.H

yo ren check this out it snot high on fert(almost fertless if no spicy peppers ar eneeded)

[pulsar haven]

wait im looking atarenvanyas guide and the crops have effects on each other? not just the fertilizer?

[pulsar haven]

ok it turns out i really misread this part LMFAO im so sorry </3

[floral talon]

yeay they buff each other thats were most buffs should come from its not applied diagonally though and not to except same plants
but we usually buddy a plant wiht its own buff type so they buff each other example tomatoe potatoe both water retain now they can both have it without fert

[floral talon]

i suck at explaining it properly probs

[neat vortex]

Oh dang, not bad! I managed a 2-apple, 2-bush version, but not four bushes.

[floral talon]

it has 0 cotton though

[pulsar haven]

no i just totally missed the "adjacent plants" immediately LMFAO

[floral talon]

but i like how low it is on fert this is like the minimum possible for 3buffs and spicypeppers

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I think you might be right

[floral talon]

i do miss my 9 fert with cotton aswell version sight

[neat vortex]

Peppers are a pain no matter which way you slice it

[floral talon]

unless you slice em for focus foods then they are godlike XD

[neat vortex]

ROFL yeah they kind of are in most of the really good ones!

So somebody has to take the fall and plant the damn things... at least they're prolific

[floral talon]

at least fully harvesting 2 harvest boosted ones is like 100+ of em

[neat vortex]

Exactly, incredibly prolific

[floral talon]

and u can do that with a weave in garden design(duhscape patented) aswell

[neat vortex]

Weave in like swapping plants in and out for their same-buff (or same-footprint) versions?

[floral talon]

do you understand now how to get buffs on stuff?

[floral talon]

std line slayout where u can strategically dump plants at certain spots without affecting the layout at all

so you aeffectively have an adaptable layout

[neat vortex]

I'm gonna share this with my community, because I know some folks would like the flexibility of being able to grow lots of blueberries on short notice. :D (will credit you ofc)

[floral talon]

ty ren most important on credit is that theres no stolen credit

[pulsar haven]

yes ty!!!

[mint sandal]

I have an everything 100% water/weedblock no fert farm layout with 2 apples, 2 bloobs and 2 peppers. It only has 1 cotton, 1 corn, 1 rice and 1 wheat though, but I'm still proud to have managed to come up with that a while back. Also it's symmetric cause I hated myself that much that it had to be lol, but it looks good when all grown so

[neat vortex]

Ooh, garden planner link?

[mint sandal]

I'd have to remake the whole thing, it's been months so I don't have link anymore 😅

[neat vortex]

No worries, mind if I remake it and post?

[mint sandal]

I may have posted the link here before though, lemme check. I know I've shared that layout here before

[mint sandal]

Feel free

[mint sandal]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-OTOCCbCBkTBk-AAAAAAAAA-PTPBkCOBBR-CCoCBkCrBkTCbT-PTPOCBkWBB-BBSpPTSpOCBk-SpOSpSpCSpTCbT-SpBBSpTPBkCO

[neat vortex]

Oh, there you go :D Thanks!

[mint sandal]

Np. I know it by heart so it's not too long for me to put it back in there haha. And now I'll be able to find the link if I share the layout again here lol

[hearty tiger]

are you supposed to loose stamina when you water stuff? I can't tell if that's a bug or on purpose

[floral talon]

stamina? game has focus which is like a xp boost bar and durability on tools and water in the watering can

[snow hemlock]

Expanding on the above, that's correct! The bar in the top left hand corner is the Focus bar, and that gives you an XP bonus whilever it's full. You re-fill it by eating food, and every action you do that uses Focus will deplete it, so that's watering your plants, mining, chopping down trees, fishing ect. You can also increase that bar and the amount of bonus XP it gives you by spending your Renown (earned from achievements and leveling up) at the two shrines in Kilima villiage

[neat vortex]

Watering plants does not grant XP and doesn't consume focus

[hearty tiger]

oh yeah I meant focus lol

[neat vortex]

For gardening, you gain XP when you harvest your crops

(so it consumes focus)

[hearty tiger]

oh ok

I noticed I watered like a hundred trees and lost no focus

[neat vortex]

Yeah, nope, trees don't give experience for growing them, only foraging XP when you chop them down :)

[light sage]

Question, the wiki says you can put one type of fertilizer per square, for the apple trees blueberries and peppers, does that count as one square or can you put multiple fertilizers on those plants?

[neat vortex]

You can only put one type of fertilizer per plant ("per square" is not entirely correct)

[light sage]

Ok that's what I assumed but I figured I'd ask anyway. Thank you!

Oh also do I only need to put one fetilizer per plant per day? Or do the apple trees actually take nine?

[floral talon]

they take nine bvluberrys and spicypeppers take 4

[light sage]

Thank you

[neat vortex]

Yeah, it's one fertilizer per tile per day for their footprint. Fortunately, they will TAKE 9 (or 4) at a time when you go to fertilize them XD

[dark grail]

Hello, I need some tips on gardening. I'm trying to make an easy pattern that makes good money.
what do you think of this one. I just started it at home
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PAATAAPAA-ARAARAARA-AAPAATAAP-PAATAAPAA-ARAARAARA-AAPAATAAP-PAATAAPAA-ARAARAARA-AAPAATAAP

[neat vortex]

Are you planning to go to cake parties with the apples or jam them?

[dark grail]

jam for money

Maybe getting some xp as well for cakes, but I already have a few hundreds ingredients for Muujin bahari dish

[floral talon]

Center not wateretained u can improve that

[dark grail]

Well to me, it is the only downside to that.
But compared to the easy set up, the money, low seeds/ingredients + no fertilizer needed...
I want an easy, low work thing and that you don't need a whole plan to read to get it through.

Maybe I could put only 4 apples and try to water 100%

[clear kindle]

still love my 4 apple, 100% water/weed/harvest boost layout (minimum harvest boost fert that i don't use) layout

[floral talon]

Yw

[floral talon]

The apples can only get two buffs from other plants if placed in corner consider placing thrm as a +

[dark grail]

Btw, I have a question. How many days max can plants grow without you be connected ?

It seems even without weeds, plants does not grow if you're not logged in, is that so ?

or it seems they only grow once....

[floral talon]

Grows when online at palia 600 time and once more if logged of so ut not screwed if logging in at 601 and logging out at 559 for example

[dark grail]

ok thanks

Can you maybe show something that is easy to reproduce, earn a lot of gold and that requires low work ?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.H-A.HO.HpA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.H-A.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HO-BkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.H-A.HPA.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.H-A.HA.HBkA.HA.HCbA.HA.HP-OA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.HpA.HA.H-A.HCbA.HA.HPA.HA.HO.WA.H-A.HA.HOA.HA.HBkA.HA.HCb.Hp
what i use rn

[dark grail]

Ok, well it is far to be convenient since you need to have 600 harvest boost + 600 (other fertilizer for both watering and weed protection). The grid itself is simple, sure ...but it earn 30k less than my basic yet lacking garden :/
I could have agreed for the harvest boost fertilizer since I have plenty but that is way much worse.

[floral talon]

u do account for processing right

[dark grail]

it's day 300 not 30

[floral talon]

bro only look at profit per day ...

[dark grail]

I put the regular setting for your and it says 95k

[floral talon]

well in this picutre it doesnt account for processing but normamlly put it in like that

[dark grail]

no, for 30 days

[floral talon]

... remake the layout in paliplanner thingy put processing in and the days to 30 then

[dark grail]

mine you mean ? or yours ? Cause I did it for yours minus the fertilizers

[floral talon]

yeay everyhting is like 4k unles u turn stuff into seeds like potatoe bokchoi

[dark grail]

btw how do you switch from 30 to 300 days harvest on the website ?

[floral talon]

click on the

---

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shaped button

you can also click what u turn stuff into there

[dark grail]

Ok thanks.
So, here it is with the turns :

[floral talon]

yey u found the buttons

[floral talon]

now this is also 4 apples but afk and harvestboosted

[dark grail]

Yes, and my pattern need some work but earn a few 100k more

There is no magic perfect solution I guess. It rely on the purpose you're after

[floral talon]

urs barely makes more though

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HBkCbPC.HPCbBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbPCr.HBkC.HBkCrPCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkCPCb.HPCBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrBkCPCb.HPCBkCr.H

[neat vortex]

For a fair comparison, I always recommend setting the time to 180 days because that's the least common multiple of all the grow times. With 30, some of the harvests get cut off and not counted.

[floral talon]

tnx ren

[neat vortex]

Also, "profit" is highly dependent on what you are doing with your produce and how consistent you can be with maintaining the garden. If someone else'e "perfect, efficient" layout fills you with dread, then you won't replant it often and your profit drops to 0 😂

If it doesn't allow you to grow what you need, or requires resources you can't or don't want to spend playtime to keep up with, ditto

[floral talon]

here we make the best layout for someone specific

or at least i do unles they are to demanding or cant provide details

[slate kelp]

Hi, update of the best layout i think, with only starred seeds :
(i've changed napaa cabbage by potatoes for better gold)

• on Paliagarden.app including level 25 to have 100% chance of harvesting star vegetables
• including the best performance with the machines
• Less work to maintain quickly when you happen to be late to harvest/replant/water
• Good rent
• Possibility to organize cake party
• Sell yours HarvestMax 5 gold and buy WeedBlocker/HydratePro for 2 gold
• 1 coton available for your furniture

Tips : Launch your seeds from center of the garden
Caught inside in face of the side of squares for plough to release more quick.

If any suggestion, say me please.
Question : Are the gold/XP ratios equivalent ? Response xp ratios are hte same per tile per growhttick

[floral talon]

can you grammar your question at the end plz?

and on the layout its a nice one interesting choices 15 fert only its ognna be real hard to reduce that amount
you got duhscapes professional opinion approval (puts stamp of approval on it)

[brisk wind]

Not sure if this has been addressed. But I am unable to place soil on a different plot of land. I have emptied it and untilled but it will not let me place on the new plot. I was able to place 3 of them but the rest say "Somethings in the way." I have checked my other plot (where I am moving from) there is nothing in that space. So not a virtual issue. Please help or direct me to help. (Posted in gameplay help channel as well)

[floral talon]

Never tried moving it but that message is normally when its colliding with something

[clear kindle]

is one of the statues nearby? the kitsu or silverwing ones? they tend to have a huge footprint for some reason. i think some other decorations do as well

[brisk wind]

Thank you. Yes I picked them up and that fixed it.

[mystic skiff]

Recommend? my garden is almost done rotating, have other game commitments so I'm too busy to go and til the soil every time I log in (bokchoy lol) but I'd like to still passively make gold every other hour to harvest them. On my breaks

Requirement :

• Straight or L
• don't have to constantly till and replant (so stuff like apples and tomatoes?)
• 100% self watering

Weed control would be nice but only onions are the ones that aren't 3 days. 😭

[clear kindle]

something that i used to use before the current layout. if you want it in a straight line, can take the bottom two plots and rotate them to get the water retention. worked best when you could just put apple jams into the worm farms to get harvest boost fertilizers

[neat vortex]

This might be some interesting data for you... (based on the concept from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/ )

Keep in mind, this still assumes that you replant the 5-day crops on day 5, the 6-day crops on day 6, etc. etc.

Bok choy is still DAMN good even if you only harvest it every 4 days

(these numbers do assume harvest boost, but just divide them by 1.5 to get the non-boosted number)

Lemme see what it would be to replant every 6 days...

[neat vortex]

And here is the version where you replant everything at 5 days and at 10 (to line up with the tomato cycle):

The conclusion: potatoes are very powerful lol

[neat vortex]

If you would like a self-weeding, self-watering linear layout that uses all the replantables, here's this (can swap in peppers for blueberries, either all the time or as needed):
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkT.HPW.HPTBkO.H-Bk.HOCbTB.HB.HCbB.HB.H-P.HTO.HBkCr.HBkOTP-CbPBk.HB.HB.HOB.HB.HCb-O.HBkTPR.HPT.HBkO-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-OBkTPW.HPT.HBkO.H-OBkTPR.HPT.HBkO.H

And obviously you can swap out the companion plants for their same-footprint equivalents, to match whatever your wants are.

If you have crafter slots to spare, it could perhaps be worth it to double-process onions into pickled onions -> put in worm farms

[mystic skiff]

Ooh this is a cute layout never tried it before tq

[clear kindle]

it is a good layout but for me and my style of play, too much work. though i do kinda miss having the long layout like that

[mystic skiff]

Yeah I could do that. Ive been fishing a ton, and when I get back to playing regularly Id want to fish some more be nice to have a stockpile of glow worms ready

[quasi jackal]

ive been using this and its getting some solid gold, does anyone have a better idea for fast cash? im lvl 8 Gardening

[neat vortex]

They're only really profitable in regular worm farms, alas

[mystic skiff]

Darn

[floral talon]

if u dont mind watering this but with faster plants but this is basically the best for ur level

[quasi jackal]

what plants are you thinking?

[floral talon]

bokchoi

[quasi jackal]

instead of cabbage?

[floral talon]

yeay but it will break the combo

water retain and quality up and harvest boost are way more important at ur level

[quasi jackal]

so i should find a new set with bokchoy in a line

[floral talon]

there isnt any

you need water retain more then weedblock by alot and need quality up and +50% croptyield from harvestboost

maybe u can get something that uses tons of fert

bokchoi also takes way more crafter time to process

[neat vortex]

What DuhScape said, basically. Napa cabbage is only good if you are out of the house for long periods or if you need it for cooking (both spicy crab fried rice and stuffed cabbage rolls need it) - but of course you can weave it in in place of your potatoes every so often if you need to restock

[quasi jackal]

what would be the best bocchoy setup?

thankyou gents @floral talon @neat vortex

[neat vortex]

You can tile this one any way you want, if you like. can sub in cotton for some/all of the rice, too; not sure if it would meet your needs exactly, but it's one possibility

[floral talon]

that oen is to start getting cooking mats or somethign?

[neat vortex]

Just a very very basic afk plot

and compatible with a linear layout if you put them all in a row repeating

[quasi jackal]

cooking isnt a major issue rn i stick to 2 or 3 dishes my main goal is GOLD meh want thy GOLD lolllll

@neat vortex @floral talon

[floral talon]

ok if u just wanna tru hard it replace all water retain wiht bokchoi in ur layout then but sure its a ton of work and u dont got enough crafters to process but you asked for it

[quasi jackal]

lollllll ill do small version to start I shall update you if i hate it or love it, I appreciate you guys

[molten cloud]

OK! so when I sold a bunch of my extra flowers a wile ago, I realised flowers can offer some extra passive income. So I started gathering all the EXTRA seeds that I would get from bugs, and instead of just adding them to the bin I would start growing them for seeds and then sell the plants.
It's not a lot, and I water the flowers only when I remember, but for gardeners out there that REALLY enjoy watering and stuff like this, they could turn flowers into some sort of income.

These are the flowers I managed to gather over 2 weeks I think, maybe 3. (I don't specifically go hunt for insects, it's just random drops)

Going to post this as well, for gardeners that want to do "extra" gardening.
(yes it won't produce as much as gardening, but it's something extra to get instead of just tossing the flower seeds into the bin)
I plan on gathering 1k seeds see how much those will make

[floral talon]

Does that give foraging or gardening xp once they are done? And make sure not to sell the seeds they give but the planted down fully grown depleted ones instead

[neat vortex]

No XP whatsoever, alas

[neat vortex]

I did this for a little while, too. It's fun if you really like watering and planting!

Flowers sell for 13/15/16g each, stack to 30, and need two rounds of watering to yield seeds, right? Flower limit is 1k as you said, so up to 16k maximum per full replant of 33 1/3 stacks of seedlings (on one plot; guess you could have multiple) - though imo 500 is probably the max without running into annoyances about the seedlings and flowers getting mixed up in your backpack (visually indistinguishable, have to try to plant to know which is which).

A full sell bin of 24 stacks of flowers at max value (gardenias and hydrangeas) would be 11,520g.

You can definitely bunch the seeds VERY close together, so watering can be very quick. I guess it depends on your tolerance for the tedium of replanting how sustainable it is as an income source.

But even if you stick to 500 at a time, that's up to 8k gold... not bad for a side gig, maybe? 🤔

Time for daytime honey lures in Maji's Hollow? XD

[floral talon]

Or u can do 1k per plot xd but to much effort to farm flowers

[neat vortex]

The only issue with 1k per plot is that you have to then pick up the flowers before you can plonk the seeds down, and then they get all mixed up in your bag :(

Though I guess you could probably come up with some kind of system to get around that if you wanted

[molten cloud]

Yeah, it's some hassle with them especially when you will reach higher numbers. But some people enjoy watering so much they would probably like to do this just for fun and the idea of gardening not necessarily for the cash.

A better method for cash would be flow trees probably. 😊 Just wanted to leave his out here for flower enthusiasts.

[neat vortex]

Yeah! It's always good to have options :D

Especially in early game when gold is hard to come by

flow trees are a LOT of work all by yourself tbh - 16 days of tending to get about 10 flow wood (11g each, 13g each as planks) + ~8 regular wood per tree. But if you're part of a group of people who help each other water and then do group chops on a rotating basis, it can be some nice extra income, especially if some of the folks in your group really need the flow wood.

[neat vortex]

By my reckoning, the best garden produce to stuff in a glow worm farm is either pickled corn or napa cabbage kimchi. They both get 2 glow worms apiece and produce harvest boost fertilizer, with a reasonable value increase/cheaper input-per-output. But I recommend the corn, unless you need your grain tiles to definitely be growing something else; napa takes a long time (6 whole days!) and replaces either tomatoes or potatoes, which just isn't worth it, in my opinion. But if you end up with excess napa somehow.... there you go.

[floral talon]

Napa is way better then tomatoe

[neat vortex]

Oh, how do you figure?

[floral talon]

6 days of not having to collect or reseed make it very little work

And tomatoes harvest times dont line up with anything else most the time making them terrible for afk setups

For selling tomatoes are more proces effort aswell cuz of how much u can dump into a crafter at a time output value wise compared to the rest

[neat vortex]

I guess that depends on how "AFK" you are, really

and how much playtime you're cramming into an RL day, of course

But it's true, if you only want to even look at your garden once in 5-6 hours of playtime, here's the ranking:

i.e., you plant your seeds and come back six growth ticks later to harvest and replant, and don't touch any of the multi-harvest plants until then

[floral talon]

Or if u go weedblock waterretainnthats kinda pointles if ur harvest times are 2 3 4 5 6 days like then u still gotto come back nonstop

[neat vortex]

Oh, yes, this is assuming already that you're not needing to worry about weeds or watering

That's why I did that whole comparison above of different "un-ideal" tending patterns :P

This is also why I find the screenshot-measuring contests with "how high can you get the gold per day on the garden planner" to be a bit silly

because that number is a fantasy, truly; most players are not going to WANT to tend their gardens "perfectly" because that's a lot of damn work

I get pretty close some days, but I'm a total homebody and don't have the energy for anything else half the time besides sitting and watching my garden grow

However, most people I know are in and out of their houses while they're online, and sweeping through the garden to pick tomatoes is not a hardship

[neat vortex]

and "crops I can multi-harvest without replanting" was what Power Padam was asking about, besides, so napa cabbage fits that bill less than tomatoes

Either way, as with ALL things gardening... the answer to "what is better" is "it depends (mostly on you)"

[floral talon]

Im just pointing out the completely overlooked part of tomatoes being more work then poeple think xd

[clear kernel]

If I have time to log in several times a day to water/harvest and refill the seed makers and preserve jars what should I be planting for maximium profit, I have seen so many different approaches and excel sheets that I'm just confused at this point lol.

Also atm I have 3 preserve jars, 1 worm farm and 2 seed extractors.

[floral talon]

are you gonna tryhard it?
what is your level?
mind watering? mind weeding?

[clear kernel]

Hey DuhScape, yeah I'm tryharding it, lmao.

Lvl 10 gardening.

I work from home so I don't mind logging in inbetween work to water and weed like every 2 hours.

I just have been grinding tomatoes for a couple of days and feel I'm not getting too much gold.

Also for the tomatoes I'm running them through the 3 preserve jars and then selling them.

[floral talon]

ok so tomatoes have recipes in crafters that are like 3 for one jar or osmething making them very awfull to process overnight
i rtecommend ditching tomatoes for cabbage personally XD but il get you super tryhard lowlevel layout right away

u will have issues processing cuz ur new and dont got muhc crafters but i got just the fix to print money liek crazy

[clear kernel]

Lol,

For now I'm spending all my money on crafting permits, I think I'm at 15 at the moment.

But yeah honestly I want to ditch tomatoes asap.

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-BkBkCoRCrRCoCoBk-CoBkBkRCrRBkCoCo-CoCoBkRCrRBkBkCo-BkCoCoRCrRCoBkBk-BkBkCoRCrRCoCoBk-CoBkBkRCrRBkCoCo-CoCoBkRCrRBkBkCo-BkCoCoRCrRCoBkBk-BkBkCoRCrRCoCoBk

https://paliaparty.app/?ref=paliatracker.com
attend cooking pertys where they cook epic fishes u do overprep stuff of rice or onions or whatever which u do have to farm first i suppose

should jumpstart ur crafter permmits XD

[clear kernel]

Thank you king, going to set that layout up asap.

For the cabbage, wheat and corn, am I selling that as preserve or as seeds?

Also thanks for the second link, didn't know that was a thing

[floral talon]

ifu can jar it you rjar it unles potatoe/bokchoi
cotton is self us as fabric ur gonna need so muhc of it

[clear kernel]

What do I use the fabric for, like specifically related to crafting?

Also sorry for all the questions

[floral talon]

quests gifts to villagers u also even use some cotton for those things and comping ur furniture XD just making one of each alone(this is already 25+levels of putting cotton in stuff)

[clear kernel]

Oh I see, thank you, going to try that out.

I appreciate it Duhscape

[floral talon]

you also farm cotton as low level cuz it gives more star quality other produce cuz thats there buff but at hgiher levels it will always be starred

[clear kernel]

Oh nice, didn't know that, just started playing like a week ago, lol.

[floral talon]

yeay plants give buffs to stuff adjacent to em but they cant buff themselves or same plant though so cotton dont buff cotton but in case of cotton you dont care cuz its al going in to the loom regardless where star quality doesnt matter

[clear kernel]

I see, should I use the gold starred cotton for seeds? so that it produces the gold starred seeds or it doesnt really matter?

[floral talon]

i mean you need SOO much fabric but you could do that i geuss
eventually ur high enough level that you get nothign from tis bnuff so u stop including it in your layouts

star cotton seeds is decent money
cotton is a good money plant onc eu get starred ones that is and only star produce but like i said its buff to other plants becomes useless

[clear kernel]

Nice, going to go harvest what I have left and install that layout, thank you DuhScape, appreciate the help.

[floral talon]

anytime bro

[worn wave]

Hi!
I just visited Tish's plot and I'm wondering if these are flowers that we can obtain and if so, how?

[floral talon]

u kill bugs u get flowers or buy em from auni
also furniture like plant pots ocme with build in flowers often

[worn wave]

yeah but I've caught ALL the bugs and these were not in pots, I'll have to check w Auni

[neat vortex]

no, not yet. They were in the list of flowers in the original patch notes, but it was a mistake and they haven't been implemented yet (nor have pink hydrangeas). Tish has the devs hookup lol

[floral talon]

Mixed something flowers were a login reward once

[worn wave]

No fair😭

Hey devs
Both flowers in the pics are so pretty, I need them😕

[neat vortex]

those are mixed hydrangeas, neither of the flowers in the screenshots

[floral talon]

yeay but they are some of hte gl getting em ones

[neat vortex]

(And the hydrangeas are now a quest reward)

[floral talon]

wut which quest?

[neat vortex]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Mixed_Hydrangea_Flower

[floral talon]

ah ive done that quest at least yey

[neat vortex]

If you've done it and don't have the flowers, you can put in a request with support

[slate shale]

I've just found out gardening layouts exist and I want to try optimise my crops instead of just putting them all together, I looked through guides on how to and I'm rather confused and wondering if theres any garden planners for early-mid game?

[prisma notch]

Hi! Most people use this website to preplan their garden! Happy farming!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[clear kindle]

there's also a few layouts that people have made if you scroll up, the best layout though is one that works for you and not every layout is a great match for you or your play style

[terse wyvern]

why on earth are we limited to 9 garden plots tho?????? we all this space and different veggies and so forth yet 9 plots, what is the actual development decision for that haha

[livid ibex]

question: if im farming purely for cash at the moment, is it more effective to sell the crop I have as is, or to turn the crop into seeds and then sell the seeds im not using for the next crop?
my garden, in case that changes the answer

[clear kindle]

it is always better to process the crops into either seeds or preserve jars, and good luck with that much bok choy

[sonic ember]

I'm about to head to a sashimi party and have mostly starred rice while only regular is needed for the recipe. What's the best call here when it comes to the starred rice? Put it into the seedmaker? Cook it into something else and sell it? Buy regular rice for the party? Anyone care to share their thoughts?

[neat vortex]

Between using your home-grown starred rice and buying rice: use the starred ones, always. That goes double if the sashimi is a for-profit party and not just for buff food.

I'll grab numbers, gimme a sec

1 starred rice in a seedmaker = 64g (for the 4 seeds)
1 unstarred rice bought from the farm stand = 105g
1 round of sashimi (3 dishes) with CHEAPEST fish = 90 to 135g (i.e., buff food)
1 round of sashimi (3 dishes) with top-tier rare fish = 555 to 831g (for profit)

The only exception is if for some weird reason the hosts are REQUIRING unstarred rice (using unstarred fish and don't want to click the checkbox?) which would be kind of weird as most players simply don't have unstarred rice past a certain level of gardening

Sashimi (and sushi) with high-value fish are some of the best possible returns on your investment for starred rice

[sonic ember]

Thank you! I appreciate you weighing-in so quickly, I'll go ahead and cook with it at the party as it is food for profit!

[sonic ember]

Thank you for the maths! I feel a lot more confident now ^_^

[sonic ember]

I brought home BANK from that party, thank you, Eliot, for the confirmation just in time. The host was using starred rare and epic fish and asked the OPs to bring just regular rice. I was concerned that I'd be wasting the starred rice if it didn't increase the value of the dish. I don't know if my starred rice affected the price at all but we all took home around 80k in profits so at this point I'm just glad I had enough rice to participate in all rounds, starred or not!

[grave owl]

How do I get tree seeds? I need 3 for a quest

[neat vortex]

They drop from medium and large-sized regular trees out in Kilima and Bahari. You'll need at least a Standard Axed (copper) to chop medium trees, Fine Axe for large ones; or for someone to party up with you and chop them for you :)

[grave owl]

Sorry for all the questions, I'm new, and thanks for answering too! But do you know how can I get a copper axe?

[neat vortex]

You can buy the recipe for the upgrade from Ashura (foraging guild store); I forget what level foraging it requires.

[grave owl]

Thank you!!!

[quasi jackal]

is there any benefit from canning your food for profit?

[neat vortex]

Produce run through a preserves jar gains +50% in value, so... yes. (In the case of potatoes and bok choy, seeding them is better, as long as you can dedicate enough seed collectors; corn and napa cabbage are neck-and-neck.)

[quasi jackal]

im still a bit confused im sorry, if i put an onion worth 45 gold, when i put it in it says a canned onion is worth 45 gold aswell?

i should prob read the wiki too loll my bad ren loll i appreciate you

@neat vortex

[neat vortex]

Make sure you're not looking at the unstarred price for pickled onions :) which are +50% over unstarred onions

[frosty veldt]

another day, another 8000+ clicks learned to just hold my mouse and roll fingers like its Tetris but still ridiculous

[floral talon]

Wth is ur layout

[proud fjord]

you can also get 3 trees seeds as a gift from Kenyatta if you level up your friendship with her (chat & give gifts)

[floral talon]

Poeple who dontvgot it are better of just levelingvgardrningvthese days though

[neat vortex]

will leveling gardening get you acorns, pine cones, etc...?

[neat vortex]

I hope this means they FINALLY fixed the "if you put 99 fertilizer on all 9 tiles of a soil plot, it becomes uninteractable" bug :D

[frosty veldt]

never experienced that so probably

[frosty veldt]

full water harvest boost with anti weed fert 100% all 3

rice corn and can interchange some wheat, but gna be for sushi and fish tacos maybe something else idr all the recipes only been here a month and just started cooking fish dishes

[clear kindle]

why don't you use a layout that already has all of that with just the crops instead of buying and placing 8000 fertilizers down? just curious

[frosty veldt]

cuz i couldnt think of a way to add weed proof 100% that I liked

and scrolling thru bunch of others didnt yield me any results

[neat vortex]

Fair! You do give up tiles for the weed block crops

[frosty veldt]

it was like 16k gold to 99 the entire thing with anti weed

[neat vortex]

oh lemme find you the bullseye layout....

[frosty veldt]

thats nothing imo

im only interested in growing crops for fish food parties cuz they make me lots of muny

[neat vortex]

Bullseye layout (100% weed/water and 100% harvest boost with 4 HB fertilizer, optional) #🌱│gardening message

At least the weedblock only needs to go down in 99s once and then you can just top it off every couple in-game days

[frosty veldt]

maybe will try thanks

[floral talon]

oh right poeple usually ask bout apple seeds its just a habit to respond with just level up

[neat vortex]

I had apple seeds from friendship quests long before I hit level 10 gardening, but I spent a lot of active time on talking to villagers and daily gifts

but it's nice that you get the apple seeds right at level 10 now instead of having to grind medals for them, if you aren't so go-getter about the relationships

[floral talon]

to many apple seed questions its always like hey im lv 0 but i want apples for no * reason so whats the not leveling way to get em (got this like 100 times or something

and hten im like why you even want apple seeds if ur not even doing farming nvm just ask someone to help you out wiht petit fives in the cooking channel

[spare fossil]

Can i have 9 garden squares on each of my plots or only 9 total no matter what?

[floral talon]

total

[spare fossil]

a phooey. ok TY for the quick reply

[floral talon]

quickwarning about spreading out ur soils if you got 9 weeds in total on all your soils for example a decorative apple tree on another plot that u never tend to thatget the full 9w eeds
nothing will grow cuz bug

[spare fossil]

gotcha, thx for the knowledge. I just feel i dont have enough garden squares to really make use of the plots I have. Perhaps they will increase it in the future.

[floral talon]

it s just way better to only have them on one plot cuz of easier to go through em all and prevent getting knapweeded

[neat vortex]

What are you wanting to get out of your garden? Maybe we can help with some optimizing :)

[ocean crystal]

Hey I'm new to gardening and I would like to know a simple strategy to making gold. Any tips?

[floral talon]

simple u say oming right up

[ocean crystal]

Thank you I only have 2 soil plots purchased atm

[floral talon]

some pattern like this it waters itself
and quality up and harvest boost is applied u need quality up early game

[ocean crystal]

So do I apply the fertilizer to all the crops

[floral talon]

thisone is fertless

[ocean crystal]

Ah I see thank you so much

So after I harvest is it worth to turn into seeds?

Or where should I go from there?

[floral talon]

cotton to fabric potatoes seeds rice can only seeds and cabbage jar onceu unlock it

[ocean crystal]

And corn sell as crop?

[floral talon]

cotton > fabric (for self use)
potatoe bokchoi > seeds
the rest > jar
cant be jarred > seeds

fabric self use only though

[ocean crystal]

Ah alright got it thanks a lot for the help

[floral talon]

some thigns are technically break veen between jar and seeds but jar is slightly more or osmething and far less effort

[ocean crystal]

Do you know what level I can start jarring stuff?

If not I can just go look

[neat vortex]

Napa and corn are both just as good as seeds, so since you probably don't have the preserves jar yet, seeds it is. Keep enough starred seeds to replant twice (and use them for replanting, I mean). I think the preserves jar recipe is level 6? but yes do look it up.

[floral talon]

u can buy the recipe for jars soon enough from gardener guy

[ocean crystal]

Gotcha thank you

[spare fossil]

I only have one income, apple jam. I have been hoarding sweetleaf to do a cake party but have so far not been invited to one. So I am struggling to make anything viable without doing the jam. How do I find a cake party to help subsidize my income? I have 150 sweetleaf and I can stir really well! 🙂

[neat vortex]

Check #1143270926394335282 for listings, #💬│lfg-chat for folks advertising for a missing role. Also parties will often permit OP (overprep) sweet leaf to get more people the cakes! You can also check the PaliaParty.app website itself for public party listings coming up soon. Some parties recur weekly (or more often), so you can be "a regular" that way if it works for your schedule and sweet leaf gathering pace :D

Apple jam is also really only middling as far as gold per tile per growth tick unless you are out of the house for very long stretches (or only able to literally peek your head in on your garden periodically without touching anything). It's good in that it doesn't require much from you in terms of replanting work, and jam gives you plenty of time before you have to reload your jars. However, if you log a fair bit of playtime and come home regularly/are willing to replant every so often, you may find other crops more lucrative, especially if you can use them to make your layout self-tending ("AFK layout") so you miss fewer growth ticks.

Either way, gardening is best as mostly-passive income, and if you have the time and energy, it makes some sense to have a few active-play activities you enjoy that can bring in money as well. (Strictly as an example: even just relaxed fishing with no bait in your home pond can bring in more than you might expect — no-bait fish from ponds are worth 36g each, and the uncommon fish is 100g. It only goes up when you start fishing with bait and/or in hotspots, and some high-value glow worm fish are very very useful for for-profit cooking parties, as well.)

[spare fossil]

thank you kindly for your gracious reply. It was very helpful. Appreciate you! 🥳

[neat vortex]

Would you be interested in possibly diversifying your crops? We could see if there is a layout that would work with your playstyle.

[final prawn]

How do you get more soil?? I only have 4 and it says I've reached the limit I can buy

[neat vortex]

Was the last one you bought 3,000 gold?

[final prawn]

I don’t remember

[neat vortex]

Make sure you search your storage and make sure you don't have them placed on some other plot? If that doesn't turn up the other 5, I'm not sure what could be going on, and it's probably a job for Support.

Because the limit is definitely 9, and afaik there isn't a gardening level gate on any of them? (and in that case it would tell you that that was the block)

[final prawn]

I don't have any other plots, haven't gotten around to making another

and I searched my storage, not there (almost full tho, how do I upgrade that if possible???)

[clear kindle]

you can buy the recipes to upgrade your storage from tish's cash register in her store (not the one when you talk to her)

[final prawn]

Thank you!! ✨

[clear kindle]

they do be expensive though

[final prawn]

I need the storage, I have so many tomatoes

I sold three stacks and still have more

[neat vortex]

You get a second plot for free when you finish building your house, iirc :)

[final prawn]

Oh??? I didn't realize

There was nothing there ;^;

[final prawn]

I am an idiot, found the rest of my soil

[neat vortex]

Oh wow, where was it?

[final prawn]

In the back of my plot, I guess I just placed it down and forgot about it

[final prawn]

Is there a specific crop that you can grow to level up your gardening skill faster?

[tidal galleon]

Nope but all i did was spam tomatoes

[floral talon]

no they all same xp per growthtick per tile
so grab stuff that keeps growing the most in case u miss ur maintenance

[tidal galleon]

Gets you level 11 very quick

[floral talon]

xp layouts do exist though

[quick hound]

hey friends 🌿 so I’m trying to calculate the best layout/ profits with farming and it’s overwhelming having so many graphs and calculations from other people not recently so I’m unsure if the data is accurate. anyway I’m doing my own calculations and I’m wondering how much produce do you get from each crop? with and without harvest boost. is it correct that say for example one potato or tomato plant will yield 2 potatoes/tomatoes per harvest and 3 with harvest boost? i’m also wondering about apples - I usually always use harvest boost and believe I get 24 apples per harvest (keeping in mind it does take up 9 squares) I understand tomatoes and apples can be harvested more than once, that’s not my question - my question is what is the data for the amount of produce harvested from each plant? many thanks in advance 🙏🏻

[neat vortex]

Those two numbers are correct. Single tile crops give 2, apples give 16. I don't remember the numbers on blueberries and peppers (and for some weird reason the wiki does not have that info.) Harvest boost gives +50% yield when it procs.

[quick hound]

so 3 and 24 with harvest boost yeah

[floral talon]

u can use the layout planner to extract info to

[quick hound]

thank you, I just wanted to confirm ☺️

[dull trellis]

Hey everyone I was wondering if anyone knows what the best plants to grow for profit are?

[sour eagle]

I constantly grow cotton lol. It has helped me level up my gardening as well 🤣

[dim coral]

i love apple blue berry and tomato farm then turn everything into jam then sell it you make alot of money that way

[dim coral]

the more preserving jars you have quicker the money you get

[neat vortex]

This is a big "it depends," unfortunately.
Do you plan to attend cooking parties (which foods), or mostly process your crops at home?
How much playtime do you log each week vs time spent offline?
Do you tend to spend long periods (more than 2 hours) out of the house, or are you at home a lot?
What level gardening are you, and how many soil plots?

[still lintel]

I also use the cotton and tomato method. Also apple and blueberry seeds selling.
I also use the cabbages to turn it into kimchi and sell them off.

[neat vortex]

Growing (and processing/group cooking with) ANYTHING is better than not growing anything XD so more than anything it's important that what you grow works for your playstyle.

[dull trellis]

@neat vortex right now I have 5 soil plots mostly full of tomatoes and potatoes I hop on everyday and spend 3 hours or more gardening and questing to let things grow.

[neat vortex]

Cool, that's a nice start! Sounds like you might already have your crops mostly getting the water retain buff, if not all of them, if you're planting the tomatoes and potatoes together?

[dull trellis]

Yep I also have rice and wheat mixed in sometimes

[neat vortex]

Good stuff

Have you had a chance to read through Arenvanya's gardening guide/played around with the garden planner website?

[dull trellis]

Not yet I just kind of been going with what I heard so far .

Or advice on YouTube

[neat vortex]

nodnod Sounds like you're absorbing things already! To get the most out of your garden, getting a handle on the companion planting system (which it sounds like you're working on) is definitely a good way to go.

Here's that garden planner; there's a link to the guide right at the top. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/
(If you're already watching YouTube videos, a lot of it may be familiar.)

You may also find this chart useful: https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1avq7jo/which_crops_should_i_plant_for_maximum_profit/
(Make sure you note which crafter type is used to process each crop.)
A couple of caveats:

• This assumes that you are always harvesting/replanting immediately and never waiting; for various amounts of delay, that will change the rankings, but this is where things top out
• also assumes you have access to the preserves jar
• ONLY is based on solo processing your crops and does not take into account the possible profit from using crops at for-profit cooking parties; for example, bringing spicy peppers, corn, onions, or wheat to a muujin Bahari party; blueberries or apples for cake parties; onion or tomato overprep at an epic poke bowl party, etc. That's a whoooole 'nother set of math.
• bok choy produces very fast and processes very slow, so it CAN overwhelm your crafters if you log a lot of playtime — BUT it sounds like you won't get more than ~1 harvest per RL day, so that shouldn't be an issue for you, assuming you have enough seed collectors

[dull trellis]

I just need to get me a preserving jar and I’ll be able to make more money.

[neat vortex]

Several, probably, lol

[dull trellis]

So about the same amount of as I have of seed collectors lol.

[neat vortex]

How many seed collectors are you running currently?

[dull trellis]

I’m running2 but I have 5

[minor osprey]

can I get help on the layout of my garden

is this alr?

I mainly need wheat, onions, peppers, and blueberries

but I only have like 1 seed of blueberries

[rocky pivot]

Plant it, do you have a seed collector?

[minor osprey]

Yep

[rocky pivot]

So here's how I maxed out my blueberries, I planted, and harvested them and just kept duplicating the seeds and replanting them

[minor osprey]

Do I need to be lvl 10 to get apple seeds?

[proud gale]

sorry can i ask how you see this menu? im a new player and i only have a small farm right now, do you have to get the harvest machine?

[rocky pivot]

No, you just have to get Badruu's friendship to a certain level

[proud gale]

oh okay, thank you

[rocky pivot]

Oh, I'm sorry, I was responding to the question about blueberries

[proud gale]

oh haha xd thats okay

[rocky pivot]

This, I don't know how to do either, but I know that once seeds are placed, it shows the boosters when you examine the garden. I've never used that map though, looks like it would help a lot

[proud gale]

yea i know to press G and see what boosts the plants get but that menu seems very helpful to know haha

[minor osprey]

This is an online website called Palia Garden Planner

[proud gale]

oh! thats a cool app, ty for letting me know :D

[rocky pivot]

Yes, thank you very much

[proud gale]

hi, can i just ask which plant i should be buying/ growing to get the most profit??

[floral talon]

dpeends on lots of factors but since ur new u probs want a cotton and harvest boosted water retain layout

[proud gale]

okay! nws, thank you :D

[floral talon]

feel fre to request layouts here to

[proud gale]

ty! im upgrading my house atm but the farm will be the next thing to fix :D

[floral talon]

farm makes money th ough

and furniture materials through cottong>fabric

[proud gale]

ahh okay, ty for the tips, ill have to go get some cotton :D

[floral talon]

BEGINNER LAYOUTS!!! see tread

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
example patterns for low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-Co.HSpSpCb.HSpSpPCrCo-CoAACbAAPAA-ACrPAWCbACr.HpCo-CoBBCbBBPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo-CoCrPCbWCbPCrCo
weave in low level

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCbWCrPCoWCbSp-CrCbCrCoP.HCoSpCb.HSp-WCbCoCoPCrSpCbW-CrCbSpCoPWCrCbSp-SpCb.HSpCrPCrSpCb.HSp-SpCbCrWPCoSpCbCr-WCbSpCrPCoCoCbW-SpCb.HSpCoP.HCoCrCbCr-SpCbWCoPCrWCbCo
example with spicy peppers but uses fert

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-RCbCoCrPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR-R.HCbCoCoPCrCoCbR
more cotton

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoCrCbPRCoCbCrCo-PCrCoCoRPCoCrP-CoCrCb.HpCbRCoCbCrCo-CoCrCbCb.HpRCoCoCrCb-PCrCoCoRPPCrCo-CoCrPCbR.QCb.QCoCrP-CbCrCoPRCoCoCrCb-CoCrPCoRPPCrCo-CbCrCoCbRCoCoCrCb.Hp
more cotton nr2

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbPCoCrRCrCo.HpCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb-CoCbPCrRCrPCoCo-CoCoCbCrRCrCbPCo-PCoCoCrRCrCoCbP-CbPCoCrRCrCoCoCb.Hp
Lane maximum star quality for only 2 water retain fert can swap water retain with harvest boost aswell if u prefer other fert

[mint sandal]

It destroys a seed/plant, but idk about untilling

[manic meteor]

Correct ^^ untilling just takes time. Keep planting items and harvesting them until it becomes untilled, that's our only option.

[neat vortex]

Alternatively, you can just empty the plot and wait 48 hours; the planting doesn't do anything to speed it up (but can delay it, of course, if your plants aren't ready when the soil untills itself)

However, if you have fertilizer stuck in the soil, you'll need to plant something to consume it. If you've got a big stack on there, just replace it with some other variety of fertilizer (just 1) and the big stack will go right back in your bags.

[floral talon]

can just let fert sit there forever right

[neat vortex]

Unless you want to pick up the soil, which is why people usually want it to untill...

[floral talon]

but ucan pick it up with fert aslong as untilled

[neat vortex]

Can you? 🤔

[floral talon]

yeay

[neat vortex]

I thought it had to be empty, huh

Wow, TIL! Next time my soil untills itself I'm gonna test it out, because boy howdy do I have a lot of fertilizer down lol

Thanks :D

[floral talon]

if u do gotto get rid of it can also dump one quality uyp fert on it XD

[neat vortex]

Yeah, I wanna see what happens to the fertilizer if you pick up the soil

Does it just go poof? Does it stay put? Does it end up in your bags...?

[rocky aurora]

Hi all I am new into Palia and gardening

[floral talon]

Mifster macmif heyo

MIF!!! for what purpose would u need a l ayout and what is your playstyle and level?

i have a large and refined collection of layouts to suite your every needs

[neat vortex]

Well, I dunno what to say about this....
(plot has 90 HB fertilizer on it from the apple tree I had planted on it, lol)

no dice with this one either

[limpid trench]

Try sacrificing an apple tree seed. Plant one, then remove it after.

[neat vortex]

Can't plant it unless you till it again, right? And then would need to wait another 48 hours.

[neat vortex]

In which case this procedure would apply, anyway, to get the fertilizer up

Oh, I see what you mean, because planting the apple seed would make the fertilizer come up

actually, lemme test this with a carrot seed... edit: nope, fascinating! Planting a carrot seed in either (a) one of the perimeter squares or (b) the center square (where the stack of fertilizer is) does NOT pull up the fertilizer (which makes sense, because really only the multi-tile plants do this... otherwise it would be impractical to stack your fertilizer in the soil to 99 on single-tile plants. BUT I didn't know that the game considers the fertilizer to be only on the center square of the apple tree! Now I wonder which tile is the default one for the 2x2 bushes...)

[limpid trench]

Planting a seed will take the fertilizer back. Planting an apple tree covers the whole plot. You do not need to wait for 48 hours, use the tilling tool to take the seed out of the plot (removing and destroying it).

Hold right click on the plot, wait for 3 ticks.

[neat vortex]

But you can't plant the apple tree seed until you till the whole plot?

and then you have to wait 48 hours for it to untill itself

[limpid trench]

You have to till first, yes.

[neat vortex]

The question was whether you can pick up a soil plot, untilled, IF it has fertilizer down :)

And so far as I can tell, you cannot, unless I'm missing something

But, sure, I'll sacrifice an apple tree seed for science :D

Tilled:

As expected, apple tree seed removed the fertilizer:

Seed removed:

Can't pick it up, of course, because it's tilled:

[limpid trench]

But at least you got the fertilizer out. 😂

[neat vortex]

Yeah, but that's not too difficult! Easiest way I've found is just to replace the fertilizer with 1 of another type (qualityup, whatever) and then plant something else on top of it and let it grow for 1 growth tick to consume the one fertilizer. Then you can either let it finish growing, or just destroy it

And doesn't involve throwing out a thousand plus gold when you're going to have to wait 48 hours anyway lol

Example:

[livid ibex]

Gardners will look at this and just say "Hell Yea"

[neat vortex]

(focus check XD)

[floral talon]

Mh interesting so u cant tnx for checking ren

We can send a bug report about it

So they could make it into picking up returns fert

[still lintel]

So uhh I am not the smartest person alive
Anyone got any idea if this could be improved? I mostly plant apple, blueberry, tomato, cabbage and bok choy.

[floral talon]

Yeay u have to learn how plants buff each other first

[still lintel]

Yeah, i figured 🥲 Its messing w my brain a little

[floral talon]

A plant gives its buff to an adjacent plant(not diagonally) it cant buff same type plant cabbage next to cabbage for example
Solution to get water retain on cabbage place it together with a different same buff plant like potato

We shall getto what buffs to get on stuff next

[still lintel]

OOOO that explains a lot
Thank you!!

[ivory bone]

3 of a buff need to surround an apple tree for it to make a difference, so I usually plant those in just a little to get plants on every side of it. Blueberry bushes and spicy pepper plants need 2 buffs to count. I.e. If you want it to retain water, you need 2 potatoes/napa cabbage/tomatoes to touch a bush or 3 to touch the tree. I would also recommend alternating them and not having them planted side by side. If you plant a spicy pepper plant next to a tree, then that counts as 2/3 for quality boost, so you could plant a single cotton plant on another spot to get the tree quality boosted. Same with blueberries. They would count as 2/3 for harvest boost, so you could add one rice/wheat/corn for the third.

I prioritize weed prevention and water retention above harvest boost and quality boost because I don't have to worry as much about maintenance while they grow. You can also always use fertilizer to aid in that, too.

[zenith summit]

when putting fertilizer down is there a way to not have to click on the mouse 98 more times to put 99 fertilizer on each plant? Like hold the mouse button down or something/

[floral talon]

no gl clicking 99 times

[neat vortex]

The best alternative I've found is to either bind it to a keyboard key in the keybinds (it's "use item") or to temporarily bind it to your scroll wheel maybe...

[zenith summit]

ok that is way better than mouse clicking. Thank you. Dev's need to make it where we can just hold down the mouse button to add more. Have a nice day.

[floral talon]

i want ot ad an entire stack at a time XD

[zenith summit]

That would be awesome. I did bind it to a key and that went much faster but still annoying.

[floral talon]

my solution is to only fert apples ... the way i have to work around things XD

[neat vortex]

I know we link this all the time, but... https://palia.info/feedback
Do let the devs know! Feedback survey is very short and goes right to them :)

[zenith summit]

just did

so I will break down the math 9 plants per row, 81 plants total if not planting blueberries, apple trees, or peppers. 99 fert per plant is over 8k mouse clicks

or key strokes of bound to keyboard

[neat vortex]

ayup

[zenith summit]

that is terrible

[floral talon]

i have filled in feedback regarding this and fert on untilled soils issue

[mystic skiff]

What determines if the soil needs to be tilled/hoe after a harvest?

And It doesn't seem to always give you loot when you till a tile.

[neat vortex]

Soil gains the "needs to be tilled again" status 48 hours after it was last tilled. If it has a plant on it, it will show as untilled when the plant is harvested.

[neat vortex]

and yep, the loot is random; you only get something sometimes.

[floral talon]

the silver ore does contribute towards precious ore achivement

[mystic skiff]

48, irl hours?

So I can plant/harvest as many bokchoy as I want and only need to actually till every 2 irl days technically?

[neat vortex]

Yup

If you find it to be otherwise, please report back, of course :D

[open snow]

do you still get garden buffs if the plots are not snapped together? i saw a plot design that was super cute but still wanted to focus on buffs if possible. im not trying to have them far apart but still spaced out

[neat vortex]

Sadly, if there is space between the plots, then the crops across the gap aren't touching each other and can't buff each other. Sometimes it even happens that there is a very small, hard-to-see gap between two soil plots, and even that one-small-square difference will prevent the buffs from applying as intended.

[open snow]

mmm i figured that would be case but wanted to make sure, thank you!!

[cobalt falcon]

Hello! I made a quick chart to show which crop is better processed as seeds or preserved! I already assume there is something like this but just incase someone is looking for a quick glance guide, here you go! This focuses on if your only intent is to generate gold by the way!

[slate kelp]

Hi, there the best layout i think, with only starred seeds :

• on Paliagarden.app including level 25 to have 100% chance of harvesting star vegetables
• including the best performance with the machines
• Less work to maintain quickly when you happen to be late to harvest/replant/water
• Possibility to organize cake party
• Sell yours HarvestMax 5 gold and buy WeedBlocker/HydratePro for 2 gold
• 1 coton available for your furniture

Tips : Launch your seeds from center of the garden
Caught inside in face of the side of squares for plough to release more quick.

If any suggestion, say me please.
Question : Are the gold/XP ratios equivalent ? Response xp ratios are hte same per tile per growhttick

[livid ibex]

2 questions:
1: is there a way to speed up the time it takes for a Seeder to turn a crop into seeds?
2: I'm trying to figure out how many seeders I would need to turn an entire crop into seeds so I can sell them by the time the next crop has finished growing
right now I'm putting the math together based on the Palia garden planner, but how long does it take for a crop to fully grow in game? assuming I water and weed each in game day

Bok Choy and Rice specifically

[bitter osprey]

Hello everyone, I simply wanted to share my crops layout for whomever has only 1 apple tree and 1 blueberry bush. While waiting to be able to get more fruit seeds: I know it's not the best layout out there but I did my best with the outcome I wanted

[floral talon]

We indeed got better ones but not to bad

[bitter osprey]

@floral talon Thank you. I only have been playing for about 3 weeks and I work 40hs. So if you have a better one for someone that only has 1 of each fruit tree and are willing to share I would be very grateful 😊 I simply want to make lots of effortless money for a few days. Than I will change it to have more variety for upgrading my cooking skills

As all the ones I found online had barely any quality, mostly harvest and water retain

[floral talon]

At higher lvs 25 quality up becomes kinda useless so that is why but yes i do got better

[bitter osprey]

I'm pretty new so I don't have access to other fruit trees yet. How do you know your level?