🌱│gardening

[twilit inlet]

I do have a plb but i usually carry physical maps. at least when I hike the region I live Ive mapped out a lot of it and have memorize many of the trails here

[wary finch]

yeah, I go for landmarks, which are easy to see - but once in an eucalptus forest, every direction looks just the same,lol.

[twilit inlet]

my husband is a park ranger so hes really good at navigation

[wary finch]

what kind of internet are you using up there? via satellite?

[twilit inlet]

yea we have starlink. just moved to it. its so much better than what we had

still not as good as my speeds from when i lived closer to civilization sadly. but we went from 2 mbps download to 150 mbps, (i had 900 in the city spoiled lol)

[wary finch]

that's the crux with living on a large continent, in some places are no services whatsoever (outback) or reduced speeds of just 5-25Mb/s. Aussie internet is still rather slow compared to f.e. south korea, holy cow, gigabit internet everywhere.

[slow flame]

Has anyone come up with a plan to grow every single ingredient on a plot?

[wary finch]

you mean an everything garden, I guess, because on a single plot is impossible with an apple tree requiring the space of a full plot.

[slow flame]

Yeah - Now I'm good for money I was thinking of growing everything... Maybe I'll just do big harvests of each ingredient. I don't mind the maintenance of weeding/watering

[wary finch]

this one is from Nero, pretty good layout https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.WCbBkAAAAAA-OCbTBBBkBBSp-RWBk.HpCPOSpTR-AAABkPCrOCbW-CCbSpOTCrCCoBk-SpBkCrWOPPCrCb-RWTPCBkT.WRW-PRCOCrRCbPO-CbRCTPOCCrW.Hp

there are plenty of others, but with this one you get low maintenance and weed protection all in one.

everything gardens are possible from 1-5 apple trees, so plenty to choose from.

[slow flame]

Thanks for this - I think 1 apple tree is fine for me. I'm going to give this one a shot and see how I get on with it, cheers !

[remote girder]

hi guys! how to get an apple or apple seed? i can't find them in stores

i really want to gift that damn apple to my beloved chayne

[mint sandal]

What's the best way to gring gardening medals? I need that dang well since I moved my garden to the back of my plot, but I'm missing about 300 medals for it. My gardening is at lvl32 rn

[twilit inlet]

complete all your weeklys and probably farm bokchoy? they are quick to harvest and you only get the xp on harvest, not for watering or weeding or planting

you do get a lot of xp for harvesting apples but Im not sure how the numbers crunch when compared to the speed of harvesting bokchoy. maybe Lys or DuhScape would know

[mint sandal]

Thanks, guess I'll try and switch my layout to the fast-growing crops and see if that helps. It really sucks that harvesting is the only way to level up the skill, weeding should count too imo

[gloomy wren]

How do I get gold/coins so I can buy a basic sawmill

[odd creek]

Hunting, chopping trees, fishing, etc and sell to make gold coins

[ripe pecan]

Any opinions on this layout for pure money making?

[wary finch]

@remote girderyou get an apple tree seed from Badruu at level 10 gardening.

Otherwise you cannot buy apples.

[wary finch]

looks like you got it all covered, nice layout.

@mint sandalwill take you about 3 weeks, you can get 100 gardening medals from weekly challenges each week, 10 per new level and there are additional medals for having harvested a certain amount of quality produce per crop type (100 quality produce iirc - one of the reasons why it is not a bad idea to run an everything garden for some time).

[mint sandal]

I already have all the star crops achievements so guess I'll have to rely on weekly challenges and leveling up. Any good layout idea for quick leveling?

[wary finch]

I found that most high performance gardens are very near to each other, so they are imo all about equally good

you know I calculate gardens over a span of 360 days, and they are mostly in the range of 900k to 1.1 million now since the economy changes (raw produce value that is), mostly nearer to 900k than above 1 million. At the high end is a bok choy focussed garden, but that one would be a pain to run, because it's labour-intensive.

[mint sandal]

I don't even know how to begin to calculate that lol. The layout I have rn I made with toying around in the garden planner for a while with 3 goals in mind: all crops included, 100% water retain, and as close to 100% harvest boost as possible naturally. I been turning a nice profit making preserves with the crops, probably could make more if I was tending to the garden more consistently
(Also the star chance stats aren't valid anymore cause my gardening is at 32 now)

[wary finch]

xp wise I suspect, that the xp gain per slot and tick is a fixed value. When you harvest apples, you either harvest the result of 12x9 = 108 spots or 6x9 = 54 spots in one go, that is why it appears to be higher, but I doubt it actually is.

[mint sandal]

Not sure I even understand what that means to be honest

[wary finch]

the one from nero with 1 apple tree might be what you want then https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.WCbBkAAAAAA-OCbTBBBkBBSp-RWBk.HpCPOSpTR-AAABkPCrOCbW-CCbSpOTCrCCoBk-SpBkCrWOPPCrCb-RWTPCBkT.WRW-PRCOCrRCbPO-CbRCTPOCCrW.Hp

[mint sandal]

For faster xp gain?

[wary finch]

ok I'll explain - an apple tree covers 9 slots, and it takes 12 days to the first harvest, so when you harvest those apples, you are likely getting the fixed value (my guess) per slot and ingame day 12x9 = 108 times in one go. next harvest ist 6 days later and you get 54 times that fixed value - I think that is how it is done and in this case it is not important what you harvest.

s6's design is overall very much balanced and that is why I suspect, it is balanced here as well.

[mint sandal]

Oooh, ok, I think I understand now.

[wary finch]

otherwise, as long as you don't have 100% xp boost from the phoenix shrine, you can improve xp gain by getting that boost up.

to the 360 days calculation, you just set the planner to 360 days 🙂

[mint sandal]

Oh yeah, no, both my focus boost and max focus are maxed so I'm set on that front

[wary finch]

I use 360 days, because then I have a large number evened out over a long time span. The raw produce value divided by 15 is the 24hrs value, from that minus what cannot be preserved I calculate the maximal supported amount of jars by dividing it by 1800g (for star produce). This I take then as reference, lets say it would be 34 jars. Now if I want to run 24 jars, I can calculate how many times I need to advance my garden every day, it is 24/34*24 = about 17 times - that is why I do it like that.

so with just a few simple computations I can estimate what it requires to run a certain garden.

[mint sandal]

That is impressive, ngl. So I guess I came up with a decent layout when I made this (changed the stats to match what am at now and the 360 days)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

Oh wait, shoot, how do I link the layout instead if empty page?

Found it
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTRBBWBBCr-CoC.HCoTP.HTPO.HP-RTCbWBBCrBB-AAAAAAAAA-TBk.HTPC.HPTBk.HT-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpCrSpSpWCb.HTR-PO.HPTP.HTCoC.HCo-CrSpSpWSpSpRTCb.H

[wary finch]

you see, 942k, like I said, most are between 900k and 1.1M, but mainly nearer to 900k - as is yours.

[mint sandal]

Nice

[wary finch]

the differences are not that huge to maximize that, but rather go for what suits your needs best and is not too labour-intensive - just for a nerd like I, who does speed-runs from scratch to all crafters unlocked and 1 million earned, it makes a difference.

[mint sandal]

Yeah, this one been treating me well, and I probably could make more money out of it if I bought more crafting licenses so I can make more preserves (I have 7 rn iirc). My inventory is so full if crops I am always dangerously close to the 10k limit

[wary finch]

more crafters come with the burden to advance your garden more often, so think about that twice, if you are really able and willing to put in so many more hours every day.

I fe can advance my garden pretty often, but what I cannot do, is play a lot - because I have a busy working schedule, but I am able to advance my garden up to 18 times per day, and sometimes I actually play a little more than just attending my farm.

This is as well why I am "playing" like this, I have no time to actually play the game as intended.

[mint sandal]

Hm. Yeah, what I've been doing so far is pretty much just fill my jars with what crops I have the most of and try and remember to tend to my garden every palian day as I play, topping off the preserves when I can

I'll keep all this in mind in case I ever wanna focus on money making through gardening tho, thanjs for all the advice!

[wary finch]

with my speed runs - currently doing it in 3 weeks, next character will do it in 2 weeks - just half a million comes from farming, the rest is from fishing, just to let you know.

a well running farm at level 25+ can provide about 450k per week, that is about what can be achieved but it requires a whole lot of time investment.

[mint sandal]

Dang, half a mil in 2 weeks?

[stable ginkgo]

Xp is 4 per slot per Palia day. You’re correct on fixed value Lys. @mint sandal

[wary finch]

takes about 16-18 ticks per day though.

ok great Aqajj, you put in the work again. you are awesome.

[stable ginkgo]

I was planning to make a video about xp layouts with the speedygrow but that is on pause while it is out of commission.

[wary finch]

drop it, speedygro is so bugged, you won't get reliable values.

[mint sandal]

Do you have one without speedygrow? I'd watch that for sure

[stable ginkgo]

It’s all the same without speedygrow. Doesn’t matter what you grow

[mint sandal]

Oh

[wary finch]

Aqajj missed his moment, here is his video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

[mint sandal]

Lol, thanks, ima go watch that

[wary finch]

this is the spreadsheet he is showing off https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

he is a spreadsheet guy, I'm an engineer, I use a white board (as well virtual), a calculator and my brain. Doing a lot by a quick educated guess, which is often very near to the actual result.

one can process quite a lot of bok choy, if one doesn't seed but preserves them. Iirc it was 13 ticks, 7 seeders, 21 jars, 1 worm farm, 1 utility crafter, income 56.7k per day, 396.9k per week, which is not bad for just 13 ticks per day.

this plus the excess of support crops, all together roughtly those 450k per week.

but that farm is actually a real pain to run.

[mint sandal]

When you say tick, what's that mean?

[wary finch]

tick tick tick, clock, hours put in per day.

[mint sandal]

Oh, ok

[wary finch]

but it is so labour intensive, you have to replant the whole field every 3hrs.

[mint sandal]

Dang

[wary finch]

the differences are really not that huge, take this layout which could be done by a newbie starting at level 8 gardening - 360 days value roughtly 860k, so as well near to 900k, and can be done pretty early on https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

[north ingot]

At one point someone posted a link to a spreadsheet of the worm farm output for each edible item. Does... anyone remember what it was and could you repost it for me?

my hero

thank you!

[prime arrow]

anyone here who knows what i should feed my worm farm for harvest boost feritilizers

[winter stone]

anyone know the best farm layout for leveling up

[finite briar]

This is some beautiful data

[wary finch]

@prime arrowbeep, beep, advice mode active - quality grilled fish - beep, beep, this advice has been given free of charge

the thing is, the output is value based, 2+value/10 rounded down - so you need to feed something of high value and that is quality grilled fish and if possible fished with glow worms.

you can get up to 368 harvest boost fertilizer per hour, if you feed star grade grilled giant goldifish for example. Now figure, how long it would take to get that with other feed than grilled fish.

[wary finch]

any because the xp gain is a fixed value per tile and hour - 4 xp (this is then raised by the focus bonus you have)

it is appled to you when you harvest for the whole amount of tiles and hours it took until harvest.

the whole farm design of s6 is pretty fair and balanced, there are slight differences, but not in regards to xp gain.

many said apples, but this is just a matter of that they acquire apples later in the game,when their phoenix shrine xp boost is higher already, so it feels subjectively better, but objectively isn't.

apple gardens are just less work and in this regard it can be said to be better as in more convenient.

[remote girder]

got it, thanks

[wary finch]

these formulae are defining the output of worm farms - normal worms and harvest boost fertilizer 2+value/10, glow worms value/50 rounded down with a minimum of 1, quality upgrade fertilizer 6+value/4

so all you have to do is use these formulae, you don't need a spreadsheet or table for that.

(I'm feeling like a physicist with it, explaining the world with just a handful of formulae)

[visual drum]

ok so this worked really well! did not have to water that much, but how are you suppose to do with the crops that harvest fast? do you pick them and set new ones?

[wary finch]

yes, otherwise your income would not be what the planner says it is.

take crop which you can harvest and replant every 3rd day - a full apple tree cycle is 30 days, if you would just wait you would miss out on 9 harvests on that 3-day crop, which again means the income from that tile would be 90% less than the planner says it is.

as a general rule of thumb, being lazy is expensive - don't do that if you can avoid it.

why are rich people rich? - because they care for 80-100hrs/week about raising their fortune, with 40hrs you get nowhere.

[visual drum]

Well i feel stupid now when you in such a good way explained it, thanks!!!!🤣

[wary finch]

no worries, @visual drum, like s6 said, any question is a good question.

[acoustic current]

Ye just pick and plant new ^^

[visual drum]

Thanks!!🙌

[acoustic current]

No prob and sorry just saw it was already answered

[wary finch]

it is not just money you would be missing out on, but as well xp gain, because xp is gained from harvesting, not from planting or any other gardening activities. Any harvest has an equal xp gain per tile and hour this crop has been using until harvest, but it just counts those, where the crop is actually growing, so it is in at least 2 ways beneficial, to harvest and replant as soon as possible.

[craggy zenith]

the only thing I don't like about gardening is to get the seeds out of storage. give me seed dispenser or a better storage interface

[wary finch]

I have my seeds in the upper row of inventory always ready to use - this costs that row ofc, but it is very convenient to do it like that.

[craggy zenith]

but you are a professional farmer 😄 I'm just a noob.

[wary finch]

it is as well practical, because I have in plain sight, what has to be seeded next this way.

[craggy zenith]

my garden behaves weird, some crops are out of sync for some reason. i

[wary finch]

you might have overlooked weed, especially weed in the middle tile is often hard to see.

[craggy zenith]

sometimes one tile is only 99% watered but i always double check after watered everything

[wary finch]

hm, this didn't happen to me yet, and I double check as well if all is watered and weed free.

[craggy zenith]

i always double check. i run always a second time over the plot

i hope they bring the sounds back that indicate harvestable tiles. idk if weed also had a sound.

[wary finch]

no weed had none, but I agree on the harvestable sound - maybe they removed it by accident, it had a bug though, when you returned from another housing plot to your default, it sounded there by no reason.

this is as well a way to "fix" bugs, by removing the feature -lol.

this is always a problem, when staff is laid off, which worked on stuff before. None of the remaining staff has an urge to go through legacy code of another person and the chance to mess things up any further is high.

[craggy zenith]

I hope they don't kill Palia, I just cleared the main quest for the first time and it has potential. The characters are also not bad. fingers crossed

[wary finch]

well, they look for new ways to monetize it. Have you seen the available surroundings for your housing plot, those are one way to do it as an example.

[craggy zenith]

To justify more monetization for the players they probably need more meat on the bones. 😄
I don't get why they don't do more micro(!) transactions things that cost 1-3 bucks.

[wary finch]

indeed, those prices are too high for a single character. If you would have several characters per account and cosmetics would be shared among them and be a little bit more on the affordable side, they would make more money - but like it is, not that many will actually buy cosmetics more than maybe once -simply because for that kind of money you could buy complete games as well.

not to talk about maybe offering 2 characters for free and any further would be buyable.

[craggy zenith]

btw do i put the rice and wheat into a seeder and sell that?

[wary finch]

I sometimes do and sometimes I just sell it off raw - depends on how busy my seeders are.

[craggy zenith]

ok, did it like that 🙂

[wary finch]

like currently I run a single seeder, so no time to put rice or wheat in it.

[craggy zenith]

i have two out, just filling up seeds that are getting low

[wary finch]

I handle this dynamically, from no seeder to 5 seeders, if I really have to push a bunch of reseeding processes.

[craggy zenith]

I'm just happy that I put gardening stuff into the bin worth 20k. feels good 😄

[wary finch]

I sell it on a daily basis (ingame day), for a steady flow of income.

[craggy zenith]

its overnight jars 🙂

[wary finch]

during my speed runs I have rarely more than 30k on hand, all is invested in some way.

[craggy zenith]

yeah I am running things slow 😉

[wary finch]

like currently I have to wait for my old garden shutting down, so it makes no sense to put out more jars currently and I am completing my house instead - and money is gone again.

[craggy zenith]

I am into the lore and quests atm

[wary finch]

this will be ongoing for another 2 days before my new pre-25 6 apple tree strip will be in full production, then I go up to 24 jars and complete my crafter collection.

or I just kill this garden, and errect the new one, but it hurts having to chop down healthy apple trees.

I was never a quester in my life, I do them, if I really have to, but otherwise I'm a free spirit, best in games, which let me do whatever I please.

[craggy zenith]

im nearly 25 and need another garden design soon to. I think i can cut back on cotton

i also like like the other aspects, it happes that I only had to hunt for 3-5 specific bugs or fish, because I got most of them on my way through the world without looking for them

[half vortex]

what does it mean when stuff in my garden has a lil pink swirly thing?

[wary finch]

this is the next problem, I am not a collector type as well.

[craggy zenith]

I think it means its buffed

[wary finch]

fertilizer on that spot.

[craggy zenith]

listen to lys not me

[half vortex]

oh now I feel silly. another question: is there a limit to the number of crafting licenses you can have?

[wary finch]

yes 30

[half vortex]

cool, thanks!

[wary finch]

the last 8 cost 200k in total.

[half vortex]

oof

well good to know haha

[wary finch]

so best to calculate if you really need them and can support them 24/7

I'd say for casual gameplay you don't need the last 8 for example.

even 22 might be too many, if you cannot put in a lot of hours every day or at least every week.

you can roughly estimate it like this - assuming star quality produce - lets say the raw value of your produce per ingame day is 2800g - and you can play for 4hrs/day - 4x2800 = 11200, now divide that by 1800 = 6.22 - so 6 productive crafters, 1-2 seeders, 1 worm farm, and maybe 2 utility crafters for whatever is enough - that is 11 crafters and you will be fine.

could possibly work with 9 as well, if you handle them dynamically. rl daily income about 16,200g, with most of it coming to be overnight in your jars/seeders. And that is not bad, because it is more than 4k per effective hour played.

this is quite clever designed actually (and Aqajj's graphs in his spreadsheet show this as well), because from a certain amount of hours played per day, you will end up with around 4k per hour from farming, if you have not the worst designed garden ever - pretty much any reasonable garden leads to that result.

[sly fractal]

how do you find or unlock blueberry bush seeds?

[vital stone]

I believe leveling up your gardening skill level to 10, then you can purchase them from Badruu’s Guild Store.

But there are also quests I believe, if I can remember correctly, that will reward you with some bloob seeds as well. Don’t quote me on this though.

[sly fractal]

oh okay tysm for the info!! :))) hopefully i can find the quest, only at level 6 so far for gardening

[limpid plinth]

current best farming layout for profit?

[floral talon]

depends on h ow many hours you play cuz its lower when ur crafters cannot keep up
and if ur gonna use the produce for cake partys XD

[zinc geyser]

I still heavily rely on the examples provided in this article https://www.thegamer.com/palia-best-farm-layouts/
I suggest using the Garden Planner that can be found in Pinned Messages if you wish to plan your own garden 😊

[floral talon]

if u need something more specifc u can ask llike ur level ur goal with farm unles its everything farm or blueberrys money how many times how afk u need it then i can hand uy the bestest layout

[north ingot]

I have a farm question, and maybe it’s asking too much. I’m trying to figure out a layout that has all of these qualities:

1. Low maintenance
2. High earning
3. Doesn’t place large crops across two soil plots (I’m mid-landscaping and want to be able to move the garden)
4. I can easily swap out some crops in order to grow any ingredient I need without throwing off the whole system.

Is this too tall of an order? I’ve been playing around in the garden planner for days and tying my brain in knots. I’m level 35 if that helps.

[floral talon]

But what plants do you need?

[north ingot]

That's kind of the issue. I don't really have a set system. I just sort of preserve everything and sell it. I like the idea of being able to grow anything so I can make any recipe at cooking parties, but I don't need to have a constant supply of all the crops, just the ability to easily replenish them as I use them.

[floral talon]

Ic so u want a flex afk garden?

[north ingot]

That sounds right!

[floral talon]

Il try to whip something up for ya

[north ingot]

Got any suggestions? I used to use an all crop layout which was fine, but I feel like there may be a better option

I used to use this one!

[floral talon]

Are you fine with stockpiling some of the less often used plants cuz its real hard to make afk ones with every plant or u would need water retain only or lots of fertiliser

[north ingot]

Yeah! That makes sense

[floral talon]

Also forget high earning anything is more or less the same

[north ingot]

Huh, that's good to know.

[floral talon]

ok so stockpile some cotton and peppers cuz their buff is useless you always want to have harvest boost cuz+50% yield and water retain and weedblolck is just to make afk(do keep in mind if u gotto harvest soimething every growth tick then its not afk even with water and weed)

[north ingot]

Solid, I'll check what I've got and maybe do a full cotton and spicy pepper garden before settling on a new layout just to stock up

[floral talon]

idk about u but i dont consume peppers alot at all and cotton u just need some 2/3only cotton garden every now and then to be good for a while or u can swap out a harvest boost plant every now and then to stock up on it

[north ingot]

Yeah, I don't use them all that much either. I should be good for a while

[floral talon]

this is an example of what patterns you can use to make it afk with how to weave in apples and bluberrys on a single tile this is what u wanted yes? at the cost of yield of other plants u can replace a corn for cotton every now and then and u can do spicypepers instead of the blueish berry

also ur obviously gonna lose some growth ticks on some tiles if u wanna swap out stuff for an apple or blueberry but this will happen no matter what i give u for flex layout

[north ingot]

This is super useful!

I'm gonna play around with this and see how it goes. Thanks for your help!

[floral talon]

yw

[winter stone]

Okay cause i have only apples growing right now, and my girlfriend and i were wondering if potatoes since it only takes a few days to grow, thats how you farm XP but thank you for letting me know!

[wary finch]

@sly fractalblueberry at level 8 and 9 1 blueberry seed each

[misty abyss]

Meanehile me just mass producing tomatoes that give me somthin every day with it rotating out so i plant some new ones every day, with sone wheat and other crips thrown in to always have star crops

Thats the system ive been using thus far

I sell maybe 70 percent of it cook with the rest

[clear kindle]

if it ain't broke, don't fix it

[clear coral]

are jams in worm bins still good? or should i just be selling the jams'

[final escarp]

This is what I do to minimize effort… idk if it’s the most profitable, but all I have to do is pull weeds everyday and we gucci. For the blank tiles, I fill in pairs of whatever crop I’m running out of, so that’s the flex part.

(Top three plots are apple trees, I just couldn’t fit the whole screenshot on my phone)

And I make a lotttt of cabbage rolls to keep focus up 😂

[misty abyss]

I dont worru ahout water or weeds just value and quality cause i can handle those 2 jus fine on my own

[floral talon]

im not sure if thats a profit thing as ur probs better of just dumping more produce into a crafter instead of the worm bin alone and maybe wormers even reduce value on jam

[misty abyss]

Oh and quantity

[floral talon]

is easier in straight lines but u do miss out on a lot of harvest boosts and fertilising is also work

[final escarp]

I end up swimming in quality and harvest boost fertilizer from the worm bins anyway, so that helps cover the rest!

[misty abyss]

I do center 1 quantity boost surrounded by thr crop i wanna grow

[misty abyss]

I just make quality seeds and i never have ti worry bout not growin quality keke

[final escarp]

Beautiful

Actually, I have a question… if a crop already has the harvest boost on it because of a nearby crop, does adding the harvest boost fertilizer double the boost? Or is it just a waste of fertilizer?

[floral talon]

the fertilsier wont get consumed

[final escarp]

Ah that makes sense

[slow flame]

What makes more money, starred potato seeds or starred pickled potato's?

[remote apex]

hey guys, looking for a layout that has profit but is also low maintenence, can anyone point me a new layout?

[floral talon]

unles ur seeders canbt keep up seeds but after that idk

[slow flame]

Yeah I thought it was seeds, you esentially get 120 per potato

[stable ginkgo]

In terms of value, potato seeds are worth more but potato preserves make more gold per hour

[slow flame]

Can't be an awful lot inbetween the 2 though?

[viscid socket]

I'm trying out this layout to make it mostly afk and still give me the things I want: some cooking ingredients for chili oil dumplings, some fabric, and then prioritizing some money making things. So far it's been decent, though it was tough to set it up properly. lol But I like that I only have 8 spots that would need weed fertilizer and they're all on the outside edges so it's easier for me to mark them with flowers so I remember where to add the fertilizer. 😁 lol

[stable ginkgo]

For Gold Per Hour? Difference of 700 selling only processed crops, 100 difference selling raw crops.

For value only, seeds are better by 800
You can play with the numbers at https://www.Aqajj.net/palia-notes

[wary finch]

when you come back the other day and see, that your seeder stopped at 30/2/1, because it had randomly created an additional non-starred seed, you know, why you should put everything what can be preserved in a jar. jars don't have this flaw.

Furthermore jars have an equal value throughput and can much easier be calculated, as well in regards how many you need and what income they will produce.

Especially bok choy, it has a higher value output with seeders, but in jars it is just another quickly preserved produce and isn't causing a mess like with seeders.

In the end it has just a higher value output in á seeder, if you don't calculate with opportunity costs. If you do it correctly, jars are the better option.

It is like that, in a jar you can process 1800/45 = 40 star bok choy per rl day - resulting in 2700g. How long does it take in a seeder? 40x72 = 2880 minutes or 2 rl days, resulting in 3520g. But you blocked a seeder spot for 1 day more. which could have created a value increase of 900g - so with opportunity costs you get 3600g with preserving it vs. 3520g in a seeder - preserving is slightly better. But this is not even all to it, because in a seeder you have created 3520g in 2 rl days, whereas with jars you put 1800g more value through your jar and created 5400g - faster money because you could process more. So yeah, preserving bok choy makes you more money faster.

[misty abyss]

I dont use fertilizer its not a cost ive bothered with <3

[floral talon]

fertiliser is more a thing u use incase u cant get all bufs on ur layout like on the corners for an afk cuz those can only receive 2/3 buffs u want otherwise

[misty abyss]

I dont mind not having water buff, waterin my crops is soothin an enjoyable

Weeding is easy since i harfest my crops every day i just spam the button while i run through em

[floral talon]

well then you technically do not needd water retain fert or anmy other fert

[misty abyss]

So i only worry about quality and quantity

[floral talon]

yeay quality stops existing at higher levels anyways

[misty abyss]

Meaning MAXIMUM MONEYZZZZZ

MAXIMUM QUANTITY MAXIMUM FROGGY POWER MWAHAHAHAHA

[wary finch]

Use 30 fertilizer units per week (as level 10+) and you get 30 gardening medals, those get you 150 speedygro from Badruu, worth 750g and the fertilizer costed you 60g - 690g is not much in a week, but it is 35880g per year - or you save those 30 medals for the gardening well.

it is not even important, that the fertilizer is actually used, you get the medals once you have dumped it on a tile - then you can retrieve it by dropping 1 unit of another fertilizer on that tile.

Speedygro itself is bugged, it might work sometimes, but most of the time it doesn't or not as it should.

Things like that drive me nuts, how can they neglect the top tier fertilizer.

[calm minnow]

what can you do with star cotton?

[twilit inlet]

This is why I seed potatos during the day while im logging in every so often to clear the seeders but then swap them to preserve bins over night

[wary finch]

@calm minnowseed it and sell or replant with star cotton seeds - and if you have just star cotton and want fabric, then put it in the loom, it is losing value then, but it is still better than having to buy fabric from Tish's shop.

[calm minnow]

alright thx

[clear kindle]

@wary finch sorry for both bothering you and pinging you, but do you have the math for the conversion for grilled fish to worms by chance?

[wary finch]

glow worms: value/50 rounded down, minimum 1

normal worms and harvest boost fertilizer: 2+value/10 rounded down, I believe

upgrade quality fertilizer: 6+value/4 - never tested that, because it requires sweet feed

@clear kindle

these are basically the same formulae as they used before the economy patch, just with a different rounding method and on different fertilizer.

I guess, s6 never thought about that throwing star grade grilled giant gold fish will overflow all 6 trays in a normal worm farm -lol.

[clear kindle]

i think it's also starred grilled void ray as well, had a grilled fish valued at 3,315 gold and it didn't run

[wary finch]

yeah, star grade grilled giant goldfish is 3660g

[clear kindle]

which is why i was asking about the math to conversion rate

[wary finch]

basically stay under 2980g then it should work, resulting in 300/300, the question is just, if it will be using the complete 6th tray or already stop working if 1 would be in that tray.

[clear kindle]

and throw those that are over that price into the glow worm bins, right?

[wary finch]

I would do that anyway, because you get the same amount of fertilizer in both cases.

I have just 1 worm farm, as long as I don't have a glow worm farm, it is a normal one, and once I have a glow worm farm, it is just that one and I retire the other.

you basically cannot run out of glow worms if you have at least a few at start, your grilled fish will always create more than you can use.

like star grade grilled fairy carp caught with normal worms, 1080g, is 21/110 in a glow worm farm, this is your start for example, first day you just fish with those 21, and you will get enough to get your glow worm amount up pretty quickly, never to run out again after a few ingame days.

[clear kindle]

yeah, i've taken to fishing in the underground waiting for the hot pot game so i usually will go for a full inventory of fish, grill them all and see what goes into the bins and then sell the rest

[wary finch]

I believe there is no fish worth more than giant gold fish, the other top tier fish are at most equally valueable.

[covert kettle]

@wary finch I fished up 5x cloudfish in ten minutes under one round of buffs.

Just food no 5x group buff

I really wish the river landscape would give river fish though

[wary finch]

yeah, cloudfish is glow worm pond fish. strange to fish that in a river.

maybe that is just a bug, and the river is by accident set to pond.

could as well be that you hit the sweet spot, did those cloudfish appear in a row right one after the other?

[bitter blade]

Have they changed how u can make harvest boost fertiliser in the worm farms?

[wary finch]

they changed from speedygro to quality upgrade fertilizer in a glow worm farm, which is obtained by sweet feed, every other feed will get you harvest boost fertilizer now.

but fish prices are increased, so it makes sense now to use grilled quality fish as feed.

[light iris]

I just sell it when I get over 100. It's just a cash crop.

[slow flame]

Reading some of your previous comments, you recommend preserving Bok Choy for a steady income... To have maximum efficieny, if i'm ONLY growing bok choy, how many preservers should I have out ?

[craggy zenith]

I heard seeder are more efficient for bok choy idk.

[slow flame]

Man idk anymore 😂

[craggy zenith]

Im looking at the prices and time.

If I'm not wrong Kimchi is better. Bok Choy is probably just worse then other things like blue berries

Seeds: around 73 G/h and Kimchi: 112 G/h

star quality ofc

[pallid latch]

There's some maths with Bok choy. I can't explain it but there's a video with charts, explaining it

[slow flame]

I just want to simply grow all the same crop all at once, I don't mind hourly watering/weeding and then making it some money from it even if it isn't the 'max per hour'... I just need some sort of passive income I guess

[clear kindle]

bok choy is a time thing, i believe. if you do seeds for selling, 1 bok choy makes four seeds, it takes 1 hour and 12 minutes to go through a cycle, but because it produces so much, there is a higher chance that the crafter will stop working while you are offline because the crafter can only run 13-14 bok choy before being full, preserve jars only take 36 minutes (half that time) and can be stacked the full 30 and left running for hours

so, looking at the prices for bok choy seeds vs. kimchi, 4 star seeds sell for 88 gold for 72 minutes (1 hour and 12 minutes), in that same time bok choy will run twice (36 minutes for 1) to make kimchi which sells for 134 gold (67x2 for star quality kimchi)

[floral talon]

for simple sake just combo cabbage 2cabbage with 1 potatoe in its mid with ur midlanes for harvest boost 2corn with rice mid

[floral talon]

if ur gonna do bokchoi u kinda dont btoher jarring them ur better of picking a different plant then (unels u way over produce anyways and wan thte convienence of jarring)

[restive plover]

okay, so i'm planning to use this plan (most profitable in my research), but I need some opinions on where to put SpeedyGro/QualityUp fertilizer on the crops that already don't get bonuses (aka some of the cotton and rice crops)

[misty abyss]

where are people finding this garden planner?

[dire kraken]

you can search palia garden planner on your searching engine, should pop up

ive been using this plan on bok choi, with 1 glow worm farm running, it feeds the tiles with fert. i didnt do too much math but it seems to be more profit than including rice and wheat in it for the harvest boost

i ran into a over producing issue with seeders so you would need to find a balance on how many jarring crafters you need based on your log in activity

[wary finch]

I gave my reasoning why bok choy should rather be preserved than seeded here #🌱│gardening message you can see, that there is not much difference between both methods, if you include opportunity costs. But when you preserve it, you can process more and get this way more out of one crafter slot, which makes preserving bok choy the better option (given that you have enough other produce to preserve to actually make use of this advantage).

[wary finch]

I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was based on harvest boosted star quality bok choy, requiring 13 ticks, 7 seeders, 21 jars, income isn't bad for just 13 ticks (4361g per tick), but I said as well, that it is a lot of work and most likely a pain in the ... to run this farm.

[clear kindle]

bok choy farms look like they're pita, since they grow so quickly (3 hours). i just don't think it's feasible to keep this type of garden going long term since you only have access to 31 crafters. think there's going to be a few times where you will have a lot of overstock of raw crops because of it

[wary finch]

that example with these numbers above is just in time processing - if you run this for exactly 13 ticks per day, you don't have overproduction (star quality seeds and star quality produce assumed here), unfortunately I didn't save the layout, but it was certainly none of those posted above, because that are brute force layouts rather than smart ones.

it was a bok choy strip, which had isles of corn-wheat-corn in between and required a few harvest boost fertilzer units on those bok choy, which these harvest boosting isles didn't reach.

I made this more as an exercise to see, if there is a reasonable bok choy garden -but as it turns out to just support 21 jars, and I go with my normal layouts for 24 jars, I didn't find it worth saving.

it has a high income/tick ratio though.

But replanting nearly the whole field every 3rd hour, so labour intensive.

[gritty vapor]

im sure its been asked but im a little late to the party, what can we do with the new lettuce? bc i cant make more seeds from it, i dont see any new recipes for it, so im not sure what its for? unless its for a future update

[clear kindle]

right now? nothing, it wasn't supposed to be released when it did. we have to wait for the update that was suppose to introduce them

[coral pecan]

How come every once in a while my apple trees only give me 16 instead of 24? I companion plant so they have harvest boost and water retain.

[wary finch]

ok, I can try to redo it from memory, I think it was like that https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Bk.HBkBkBkCrRBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBk.HBkBkBkCrBk.HBk.HBk-BkBkBk.HWCrBkBkBkBk.H-Bk.HBkBkBkCrWBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBkCrBkBkWBk.HBkCr

[floral talon]

Last harvest of an apple tree gets less

[wary finch]

no it doesn't

always 24 or the bug is back

River, do you speedygro fertilize it, then it can happen.

[coral pecan]

I do.

[wary finch]

that is the reason

because interaction of speedygro with harvest boost is taking one or the other, so not both work at the same time.

[coral pecan]

There are still mostly 24. I thought they fixed speedygro.

[misty abyss]

beholden

tis not aimed at profits entirely, i use alot of these ingredients heavily in quite a few ercipes

[wary finch]

ok, just quick checked it, this is the bok choy layout with 13 ticks, 21 jars, 7 seeders required #🌱│gardening message

theoretically can support 40 jars with non-stop production, but 7 seeders are required to make the seeds for it, then 21 jars take 21/40*24 = 12.6 ticks

wheat and rice is assumed to be used in cooking, corn is to be preserved as well. Otherwise is assumed to dynamically use your jar's capacities, not dedicated jars for certain crops, but optimal utilization of them.

and ofc all star seeds and star quality produce, so this is a level 25+ layout

the limiting factor here is not the amount of ticks (given that you do those 13), but the max amount of crafters, because you might want a worm farm and 1 whatever-crafter as well.

you can enslave yourself with it, by making the decision to actually run it 🙂

[wary finch]

operation itself is simple, at the start of your rl day, you sell everything your jars have produced, then you run your corn through those jars, while your garden is producing the next harvest. Each harvest you put 3x7 bok choy in your seeders, and 8x21 bok choy in your jars, and for replants you use the seeds your seeders have produced meanwhile.

in average that should be 70 seeds and you need 63, so good enough. Before you start that layout, care for enough seeds for the first replant, all following replants get their seeds during the process is running.

[merry sonnet]

leaving weeds now doesn't do anything huh? my apple trees aren't growing even if there aren't weeds on them, and all 9 weeds are on other soil

[floral talon]

Maybe it only shows 9 weeds tops ?_?

[twilit inlet]

I might switch to weedblock instead of water retain companion buff since I dont always top up fert and I end up having to water anyway when the weeds show up, defeats the point

[clear kindle]

yeah, that's what i experienced when i tried to do a weed plot, even with all the weeds on different soil plots

[misty abyss]

decent plot for cooking grows everything minus blueberry and apples, once i get there ill probs redesign

[floral talon]

i gues if u dont care about water retain or harvest boosting everything

[misty abyss]

I like watering my plants and this one is specifically to produce every single ingredient at as much quality as possible for cooking

Got growth boost on den pepper cash crops

[floral talon]

ah ur having mroe quality up level iissues yeay then it makes sesne also since ur using it for cooking rather then profit or crafter

[misty abyss]

Mhm wanted quality and variety

Don make alot of money but hella from the cooked food

[floral talon]

i still think u could manage to have quality up and harvest boost (2buffs are ez 3 gets annoying and 4 impossible but since u dont care about weedblock/water retain u only need 2 anyways but it be practically 3 cuz harvest boost quality up and others not giving bufff plant but used in cooking)

[faint condor]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.QT.QP.QCr.QBk.QCr.HP.QT.QP.Q-O.HBk.HO.HBk.QP.HBk.QO.HT.HO.H-P.QT.QR.QCr.HBk.QCrP.QT.QP.Q-T.WCr.HT.QSp.QSp.QCr.HSp.QSp.QT-Bk.HP.QBk.HP.QT.HP.QBk.HP.QBk.H-T.QCr.HT.WCr.HSp.QSp.QTSp.QSp.Q-P.WT.HP.QCr.QBk.QCr.HW.QT.QCb.Q-C.HCb.HC.HBk.QP.HBk.QC.HBk.HC.H-P.QT.HP.WCr.HBk.QCr.QCb.QT.QR.Q

This is what I use for my profit/ingredient farm

Can easily swap out crops with the same perk if you rely more heavily on something and generates me a ton of cash between preserves and seeds

[limpid sierra]

guys, is there a command to put fert in one go?

[clear kindle]

nope, just spam clicking

[slow flame]

I can't stop hoarding ingredients 😭 I've got 700+ apples for no reasonnnn and my storage is suffering so baddd😭💀

[elder tapir]

I cap myself at 100 for almost everything. 150 for apples and blueberries.

[slow flame]

I'm a bit of an addict it when it comes to collecting in games Lol I'll craft more storage so I get to keep my ridiculous amount of things 💀also maybe host a cake party one of these days 😆

[twilit inlet]

i cap at 15 for everything, and never have apples on hand, i process all of them into jars, minus what i make into seeds.

[wary finch]

you have not completed your inventory extension yet, a complete set of iron storage chests offers 10,000 capacity, you have just7875 in your picture.

[slow flame]

Ooo 10,000? 😯I knew I didn't craft all the chests yet but I didn't know that was Max storageee niceee that's alot to work withh

[wary finch]

basically 1 iron storage chest is missing.

[slow flame]

Oh really? Just one? 😆 Lolol my issue could've been solved so fast

[agile hearth]

Can I come over and plow anyone’s garden? I just enjoy doing it lol.

[wary finch]

well and some upgrades, but that one chest is missing in total

your issue is not easy to solve,@slow flame, because it is not inventory capacity what is the problem, the problem is you ... and losing the habit of hoarding stuff and getting to a reasonable asset management is not that easy. I know this by experience, I was a hoarder at some time as well.

[slow flame]

I had to craft three iron chests and upgrade another chest Lol but I'm finally at max now huzzah ✨ I'd been procrastinating crafting it 😆

[slow flame]

Seriouslyyy I am suchh a hoarder I've gotta let go and sell but I love collecting the fruit and veggies so much for some reason Lol

[wary finch]

hoarding and impulsive buying of stuff has the same basic reason - fear of missing out - it will save you a whole lot of money in your life and in games, if you can get rid of this feeling, that you would be missing out on something. This is a mechanism (fomo), which is heavily abused (fe. limited time offers, event sales). Try to get rid of it, then these predatory business methods won't work on you any longer.

[slow flame]

I'm not a hoarder irl 🤔but well I suppose if I had the means I absolutely would be 😆when it comes to video games I just keep collecting and collecting which is why I've been filling out so many requests everytime I hop into a new server Lol trynna get rid of all the stuff (my attachment to crops is hard to shake though 😭)

[wary finch]

an example of that is my second life inventory, which has near to 300,000 items, mostly fashion stuff - I am still buying clothes there, but by far not as much as I did before. You can imagine, that most of that stuff, I have not even tried once, because it is that much, that I could change outfits many times per day, never wear anything twice and I would not be able to wear all that stuff in 25 years. That is what fomo can do to you, even in a game - and this is all stuff which was in the end paid by real world money.

[slow flame]

300,000!? That's both amazing and worrisome 😭 I'm such a completionist in video games I love having everything

[wary finch]

ofc it is worrisome, and why I fought fomo and got rid of that habit nearly completely. But I am female, I can have as many clothes and shoes and jewelry as I want, there is always something missing and we are saying "I've nothing to wear" and it is true - from a female perspective - objectively seen it's nonsense ofc.

I'm not even the worst, there are people with inventories passing half a million items.

[slow flame]

Oh heavens no I'm somewhat of a designer and love making clothes and styling them - when people ask if I want to go shopping I have to be forced to go Lolol 😆

It's hard to have self control with the cosmetics in Palia though they're so cuuuteee

[dire kraken]

I too only hoard in games. wild stuff!

[slow flame]

Right? Like something about games tickles my neurodivergence and my brain says I need a thousand of EVERYTHING 😆

[manic tundra]

Yep seams about right xDDD

I am also of the neurospicy and only hord in games

[misty abyss]

sellll

[wary finch]

I can see that a lot of people buy those, but from my perspective there is nothing in the premium shop, which I want or would wear, even if it would be gifted to me -from my perspective it isn't cute, but kitsch. All a matter of taste, I would rather prefer something more casual and wearable instead.

[slow flame]

Reallyyy? Even the casual stuff in the premium store? That's fair though I really enjoy the quirky outfits like dressing up as a hotdog I find it hard to resist Lol

[wary finch]

I've seen in japan that a whole culture can be like this, their tendencies to cosplay, maid cafes and the like, they love this kind of stuff, but to me it is just kitsch.

this is not a critic, I tolerate other cultures as far as I possibly can (not every culture though, I'm against canibalism f.e.)

I liked the lunar new year outfit, but as it is a limited time offer (which I do NOT support), I didn't buy it.

This is basically what I wanted to point out, offers based on fear of missing out, and possible consequences if one gets in the habit to fall for it (like ending up with an inventory of 300,000 items like mine in SL, where I did not even unpack most of it, it's ridiculous that I even bought it). Being a collector, a hoarder and so, is falling for the same mechanics (fomo).

[slow flame]

Some people don't get into fashion and that's fair it can be alot and not for everyone - personally I love customization and looking silly but you're def right all things should come in moderation ✨

[raven summit]

Is it worth pickling before selling?

[wary finch]

50% more value

[raven summit]

I see. But does pickling add 50% more time?

[wary finch]

a jar takes a fixed amount of value per day (1200/1800) and creates an output worth 50% more (1800/2700).

[raven summit]

I see

[wary finch]

with these numbers you can easily calculate how many jars your produce can support.

the good thing is that jars and seeders work as well in your offline hours, so this is a good way to add value to your produce while you are offline.

seeders are not like this, that is a bit more tricky to calculate those.

@raven summityou should have a look at this spreadsheet from Aqajj, he put a great deal of work in collecting those juicy numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

it's a wall of numbers, but it provides all the information to make better decisions.

[slow flame]

I like pickling potatoes in bulk they grow fast too ✨

[wary finch]

I do the same with corn.

currently I'm setting up my 6 apple tree pre-level 25 strip (apple trees planted with a 2hr timely distance in between in order to later get apples every other day).This is for my 6th character, who is now 14 days and a few hours old. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CoAACoAACoAA-ACr.QAACr.QAACr.QA-AACoAACoAACo-AAAAAAAAA-Cr.QAACr.QAACr.QAA-ACoAACoAACoA-AAB.QAAB.QAACr.Q-B.QAAB.QAACr.QAA-ASpSpASpSpACoCo.Hm just in case someone wants to know, I run it currently with 18 jars, 2 seeders, a worm farm and a loom at 15 ticks - I have just 22 crafters unlocked yet, but this garden will provide me with the money for the last 8 (200k) within 4 days.

[compact rain]

Is there a way to untill soil?

[raven summit]

Wow, this is amazing

[wary finch]

after 48 hrs they get untiled by themselves.

[wary finch]

that just removes the crop, but doesn't untile it

[agile nymph]

oh, huh

[thorny cosmos]

It's a little hard to read for me, a lot of numbers, but, If i'm not wrong the best setup to make money is to apply the "bok choy, rice, wheat" layout and put the bok choy in the preserving bin?

[wary finch]

I msde a sample layout for bok choy for level 25+, it is operated at 13 ticks, with 21 jars and 7 seeders, leaving at most 2 crafter spots for something else. Income from preserves is 56.8k per rl day, or 4369g per tick (advances of that garden, hours played) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Bk.HBkBkBkCrRBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBk.HBkBkBkCrBk.HBk.HBk-BkBkBk.HWCrBkBkBkBk.H-Bk.HBkBkBkCrWBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBkCrBkBkWBk.HBkCr

[craggy zenith]

I am running this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-CrCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-R.HCoCoTSpSpP.HSpSp-RCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-R.HCoCo.HTSpSpCb.HSpSp-CrBBWBBCrCBk-PBBTBBCb.HOBk-RBBWBBCrCO-PBBTBBCb.HOCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q
at the moment.
I am over lvl 25 now. Is there a nice layout with a good variety, but less cotton?

And QualityUp fertilizer doesn't do anything after 25 right?

[wary finch]

ah that was my start up garden, I see - well this is the moment where a flight instructor would say "you are ready" and leave the aircraft for you to fly your first solo - it is here the same, you can run any garden you like now, welcome to your first solo.

[thorny cosmos]

Sorry if I ask obvious stuff, but, with level you mean the player level or the gardening level? also, what means operated at 13 ticks? thanks!

[wary finch]

gardening level - tick tick tick,clock, hours you put in to advance your garden every day -i.e. 13 times

[craggy zenith]

that's why I have trust issues!

[thorny cosmos]

and, how does the gardening level affect?
so, 13 times is 13 hours (ingame hours I guess)

[wary finch]

that everything garden from nero is very good imo https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.WCbBkAAAAAA-OCbTBBBkBBSp-RWBk.HpCPOSpTR-AAABkPCrOCbW-CCbSpOTCrCCoBk-SpBkCrWOPPCrCb-RWTPCBkT.WRW-PRCOCrRCbPO-CbRCTPOCCrW.Hp

[craggy zenith]

does lvl 25 mean always starred harvest or am I wrong?

[wary finch]

when you plant star seeds you will get all star produce now.

[craggy zenith]

ok

[wary finch]

and at level 38 any kind of seed will produce star quality produce.

@thorny cosmosthe formula for quality chance is this 0.25 + (0.25 * useStarSeeds) + (0.02 * level) + (0.5 * hasQualityBoost)

[craggy zenith]

Hm I liked your 4 blue berries and 4 pepper design. Have to look into a design around that and an apple tree

[thorny cosmos]

nice to know

[wary finch]

ok, I might have one for you then

maybe this - 6 apple trees, 4 blueberry bushes, some bok choy - if you plant the apple trees with a timely distance of 2 hrs you will have apples every other day without any long wait in between in future. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACrBkA-AABAABAABk-BAABAABkAA-ABBABBABkBk-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBABkBkA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA

it is in a strip for ease of installing it and as well for ease of shutting it down in an oderly way.

oh you wanted peppers as well, hm

this is not my design but it is using the same garden shape https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-01111_CROPS-CbTCoBkCBkRTCb-TPOCSpSpPSpSp-CrTBRPBAAA-BAABAACb.HpAA-AWBkACbPAWO-CbTCrPCbRWBkT-AAAAAAPTCb-BBPBBCbRCrP-CrBBCBBTPT

there is a lack of harvest boost, this would have to be patched with fertilizer.

missing out on those boosts is quite a loss - as all those boosts are multiplicative - leading to 3-fold income in comparison to an unboosted garden with just non-star produce.

but in general, "you are ready now", instructor is leaving the aircraft, welcome to your first solo. There is pretty much nothing beating the feeling of your first solo, being trusted to fly the aircraft on your own - enjoy the ride. (well, driving a ferrari at 340km/h on the german autobahn is equally good)

[thorny cosmos]

thank you for your help Lys

[wary finch]

@thorny cosmosif you try this layout, it can be pretty overwhelming, if you don't have the time or the crafters in place to actually run it - and before you start you need 126 bok choy seeds ready for the initial and first replant, because your seeders won't have the seeds ready for the first replant.

[thorny cosmos]

thanks, Ill start collecting seeds!! 🙂

[wary finch]

from each harvest you put 3 bok choy each in every of the 7 seeders, and 8 bok choy each in every of the 21 jars.

[misty abyss]

Try this its my cooking layout its just there to make quality crops of all types minus blueberry and apples

[misty abyss]

Bap

Just make seeds as you need them from your harvest

[wary finch]

that layout is special, @misty abyss, requires 273 bok choy seeds in average per rl day, this is not done with a cooking setup, it is a high performance garden for just 13 ticks per day, with more than 4.3k/tick income.

[misty abyss]

Ahhh

Ye my layouts arent for profit hehe theyre for leisure

[wary finch]

yeah, it is anti-leisure actually, having to replant nearly the whole field every 3rd hour.

7 seeders working nonstop to provide the replanting seeds, it is really operating at the limits.

[craggy zenith]

first try, probably bad: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11110_CROPS-CRCPBBWBB-CbRWTBBCBB-PCCbTBBCBB-AAAAAAAAA-OB.HB.HCbB.HB.HCrBkCb-BkSpSpPSpSpRCoBk-BkSpSpTSpSpPOCr-OSpSpTSpSpPOCb-BkPOCoCbCrCrBkW
I just started and tried to buff the important crops and filled the rest in with stuff so I can cook the meals I want

[wary finch]

that is not bad, you see, you can fly solo now 🙂

[craggy zenith]

thanks, maybe I need a crop rythm. atm I filled it in and only looked that I have everything covered.

[wary finch]

this was the one I used with character 2 pre-level 25 with the first apple tree https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-BBCrBBCoCrSpSp-CoSpSpRSpSpBBB-CoPCrRBBBBB-Sp.QSp.QPSp.QSp.QRAAA-NNNNNNBBCo.Q-CoSpSpCrBBP.QBB-BBBRSpSpCoSpSp-BSp.QSp.QRSp.QSp.QCoCrCo-AAAAAAPCrCo.Q-BBCrCrCo.QPNNN

[craggy zenith]

you dont mind watering

[wary finch]

yeah, much like this one came to be, how to change it while still having lots of berries and peppers.

I like watering my plants, it is a 2nd check for weeds and then I do a 3rd check when all is watered

[craggy zenith]

that's true

[wary finch]

and I follow the business rule "being lazy is expensive, don't do it"

[craggy zenith]

I think have to plan an alternative, thanks for the feedback

[wary finch]

great, trying redesigns is good, every such experiment will give you insights.

I was really lucky this tick, right before I would have had to chop the last apple tree from the former garden, it gave the last harvest "just in time", killing a healthy tree would have been painful.

[obsidian badge]

Thank you for sharing this cool website, and your plants ! I will work on mine, as I currently just plant wherever I see room 😪
But this website makes me want to improve it !

[wary finch]

the planner you mean, yeah, Aiden did a marvelous job with it, it has so many helpful features.

[sterile sky]

is watering different per grow all out item? i've watered my dining chair about 10 times with no seed, just got my stool seed after maybe 6 waters... 😄

[wary finch]

hm, I have not tried out growable furniture yet, maybe someone else can help.

[fiery grotto]

hi can anyone recomen apple x blueberries layout for cakes partys

[craggy zenith]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-WPO.HCrSpSpWSpSp-CWRTBBOBB-PBkCbTBBOBB-AAAAAAAAA-RCrBPWBCoRC-BCBBTBCbCoR-BCBBTBWCoBk-BAABAAPAA-ACrBkACbCbATCr.H
I thought about the garden, and I thought I replace pepper with berries. I can put them in jars as well and the have at least useful past level 25. Also I added a scond apple tree.
Lys approved?

[obsidian badge]

Whe do you mean "put them in jars" ? When can I do that ?! Ahhhhh I want my vegetables in jaaaaars

[twilit inlet]

you can craft preserve bins, i forget what level you get the recipe, id have to check

then you put the produce in the bins and make pickled or jam jars

[obsidian badge]

Ohhhh this is going to be so much fun ahah, i will probably expose all my jars in the kitchen ahah
Thanks for the answer !

[twilit inlet]

it requires gardening level 8 to get the recipe

sadly, you can place the star jars, its silly you can place star food and not the jars. but you could make like a storage cellar onto your kitchen for all the bins, that would look nice!

this is what they look like

[obsidian badge]

Ohh silly indeed... Thanks for the idea ! 😛

[carmine compass]

Is there any benefit to cultivating unstarred produce, besides for when the occasional fellow Palian requests some?

[craggy zenith]

i don't think so. I bought some normal onions for cooking because I didn't want to cook with all starred ingredients

but you can use the locked chest to save certain starred ingredients

[carmine compass]

Haha thanks I was just curious cause I wasn’t seeing much use to propagate subpar produce

[craggy zenith]

well before I knew the locked chest I didnt want to cooked starred meals, because it would use starred fish for example

[carmine compass]

Wasn’t sure if there was something I looked over and missed

[craggy zenith]

now i have my fish in the locked chest

[carmine compass]

Yeah fishies are locked away safe from the mongers blade

For today…

[craggy zenith]

would be even better if we had full control over these things.

[twilit inlet]

you can pick which fish you want to use in a recipe

[carmine compass]

I just want the switch and pc to have similar graphics 🤡

[twilit inlet]

you click the little icon and it lets you decide

[craggy zenith]

which one?

i think you can only click the starred check mark and if you want certain fish to cook

but not if the fish is starred or not

[twilit inlet]

you might still need the chest if you dont want to use star ingredients at all in a recipe but you can decide which one you want

if anyone needs a regular apple seed I can gift it. I got one from zeki (i normally only have star seeds which cant be gifted)

[rare raptor]

hi guys anyone got a great beginner gardening planner they could share? :))

[craggy zenith]

I am not good at this, but you have to tell what seeds you have and/or gardening lvl

[obsidian badge]

Hi there, I don't know if it's the best, but you can always start with this website : https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden
You check the plants you would want and it tells you the best way to plant them ! 🙂

But some here are very experienced with gardening, so maybe they can help you more precisely than this website will

[wary finch]

looks quite balanced to me - how does it feel to be "pilot in command" now, you don't need my approval, whatever you decide is ok, it's your garden and you need to be happy with it. And if you are no longer, change it, your garden only needs to serve your needs, there is no objectively best garden.

[wary finch]

my characters always start with a cotton garden - left column of a plot is rice-wheat-corn (harvest boost), middle column is cotton (quality boost), right column is either carrot-onion-bok choy (weed protection) or potato-tomato-nappa cabbage (water retain). You need a whole lot of fabric over time (for example for preserve jars) so it's good to farm cotton early on, craft log cabin furniture until you get the loom from Tish and then you can craft fabric from your cotton.

[craggy zenith]

just asking, if I overlooked something. 😄 I changed one or two things I had cabbages next to each other, so they did not buff each other.

[wary finch]

it's like with learning a language, actually, your fluency starts, not when you are flawless, but when you are still making mistakes, but you know those are mistakes and can correct them. Well, and when you are not afraid of making mistakes, even native speakers aren't flawless. Creating gardening plans is somewhat similar.

[craggy zenith]

you said something about apple trees. You plant them on different days to have always some apples to harvest? or is this only relevant when you have more than 2 trees?

[wary finch]

works with 6 - because if they are planted in a timely distance of 2hrs from each other, you get apples every other day, it is a steady stream of apples with no pauses in between anymore, every other day.

[craggy zenith]

ah ok, so i dont have to worry, tysm

[wary finch]

it is a matter of taste anyway, because you don't have apples piling up, which might be a problem, when you go offline for a while, because you might not have enough produce to keep your jars busy for that long. I just don't like having to wait for many hours until I have apples again, and this way I have them all the time.

I get either 24 or 48 apples every other hour, more often 48 than 24. With 24 jars that is optimal, if I get 24, I put a layer of whatever and a layer of apples on top, if I get 48, I put 2 layers of apples in my jars or I use just 8 apples and otherwise whatever in jars, and craft 4 apple seeds instead. I like it that way.

[craggy zenith]

because nobody could answer me in tech-help: Do you also have weird popping of low detail models with the blue berry bushes? if i walk a bit closer in the picture the left bush would instantly look like the right bush.

[floral talon]

i dont farm blueberrys though but when visiting others plot hell yes

[craggy zenith]

thanks, so its not just me

[clear kindle]

yeah, when i grew blueberries i would get a ton of visual glitches including where they look like nothing more than green blobs

[clear arrow]

So can anyone explain exactly how fertiliser works, i'm talking qualityup and harvestboost? Does it need to be applied to the crops every day of the growth period for its effect to work on harvest? or is it enough for it to be applied only on the last day before harvest? 🤔

[craggy zenith]

I believe for full effect you have to to it every day

[fierce glen]

What lvl gardening is it for when all crops harvested are gold star ?

[floral talon]

38

25 for all star seeds

[fierce glen]

Sorry what does this mean ? And thank you!

[fierce glen]

I’m tired of using the seed maker for gold star and want to just mass buy my seeds lol

[floral talon]

hangin there buddy ul get there

[floral talon]

starred seeds 100% star crops at 25 and at 38 all seeds can only produce starred crops

idk what levels it is for when u quality up crops osmehow though

[fierce glen]

I’m so close but it’s going by so slow 😭

[floral talon]

lv?

[wary finch]

not creating your own seeds will cut quite a lot into your income, I would think twice before doing that.

[wary finch]

take bok choy for example - 80 seeds costs you 2400g at Zeki's - you could create them in a day from 20 bok choy yourself, but now you are preserving them f.e. that is half a crafter day, getting you 1350g instead of seeds. And you have still half a jar day available, which is equal to a possible gain of 450g - totalling in 1800g.

[wary finch]

Now this is actually surprising me - because the effective costs of those seeds is just 600g, whereas it would otherwise cost you the produce value of 20 starred bok choy which is 900g - with bok choy it makes actually sense to buy them instead to seed them yourself, if you get star quality out of non starred seeds - i.e. level 38+

[rare flower]

anyone else have an issue where they picked up all their soil plots and now an area says there is something in the way and you can't put them back? nothing is in the space. yet i can't place

[marsh surge]

So here's what I'm looking at for growing apples and blueberries the easy way, unless someone's got suggestions?

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-COTPAATAA-PCOAOTABB-CrTPPCOAAA-OAABBPBBA-ABBTPOAAB-AAAAAABPT-POATCACrOP-AABAAOTOC-BCOPBBTBB

[restive shore]

I use this one, but I cook chili oil dumplings for focus food

[clever night]

Aqajj did an amazing spreedsheat 2 weeks ago to compare crops and calculate this kind of thing! Thinking it might be of interest to u 🩷 I'll link It if you can't find it, I'm not sure if this discord allows external links

[wary finch]

it does the spreadsheet is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

[clever night]

ooh so you did know 🥰

[wary finch]

yeah, I did not really pay much attention to level 38+, because I'm doing speed runs with my characters and that speed run is over before reaching that level. But I was expecting that buying seeds would be more expensive than seeding yourself, but then I calculated the benefits of having a crafter slot more to be used and was surprised, that it actually makes sense to buy seeds at level 38+ - at least with bok choy it does.

The problem with a maxed out bok choy garden is though, that you cannot really make use of it, because there is not enough produce to keep another 7 jars busy and run it at 28 jars instead of 21. So this is then more theoretical in the end - at least for a maxed out garden.

or you have to put in much more time to generate it than just 13 ticks.

this garden has a theoretical capacity to support 40 jars with non stop production https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Bk.HBkBkBkCrRBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBk.HBkBkBkCrBk.HBk.HBk-BkBkBk.HWCrBkBkBkBk.H-Bk.HBkBkBkCrWBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBkCrBkBkWBk.HBkCr so to run it at 28 jars requires 28/40*24 = 16.8 ticks -so 17 times every day.

revenue is then 75.6k per rl day, but now you have the seed costs to take into account as well,which are roughly 10.7k, leaving 64.9k income.

It is not even 9k more income for having to put in 4 hours more time every day -so imo not worth the hassle, despite it being better on paper, those additional hours are very badly paid.

trying to get the most out of it, is getting profits down from 4.3k/tick to 3.8k/tick, and you have no life anymore.

[tribal nebula]

heyo. just found out I can't pick up soil if I used the hoe on it (although there's nothing planted). Can anyone tell me if it clears out on its own or do I have to plant things and wait for them to grow in order to clear it ?

[glacial carbon]

it clears on its own after a day or two as long as it's not being watered

i wish we could untill it with a pickaxe or something

[tribal nebula]

Thanks ! Yeah that would be a good idea. Or just by right clicking with hoe (as long as there's no seed)

[rare raptor]

Hey Guys, i got star quality crops. Should i turn them to seeds and plant them again?

[wary finch]

yes, replant star quality for a higher chance to get more star produce

[floral talon]

Also saves alot of money on buying seeds

[tribal plaza]

Can you have farms on the additional house lot so you can have 18 farm soils?

[floral talon]

U still only own 9 soils total though u could spread em over ur plots

[prime arrow]

is this the most i can have? how do i get more planting space

oh you can only have 9 rip

[runic perch]

yep only 9
and you can get rather creative with maximizing the space and output

there's some helpful posts in the pins, gardening planner and gardening guide i highly recommend

[prime arrow]

thank you :D

[remote girder]

hey guys! i generated a layout and i don't understand what means poopies at the bottom and big poopie on the top left? 😄 like i need use all that fertilizers?

[clear kindle]

weed block, water retain, quality up, harvest boost. in order left to right for what each of the little symbols mean. the big one, i'm going to assume is the current buff on the crop, but i'm not completely sure, since you can only use one type of fertilizer on a crop at a time (though you can get those buffs from neighboring crops)

[remote girder]

i just don't understard why there is another fertilizers if i only chose HarvestBoost

[floral talon]

must be an update showing what crop got wich buffs

[clear kindle]

ah, that explains it far more, it's showing you what buffs are on the crop

so yes, the large symbol is your current fertilizer, and the small fertilizers are that apps way of showing your buffs

[remote girder]

got it, thanks!

[prisma vale]

Definitely! And ideally combine it with a star quality booster crop (cotton?) for an even higher chance. My garden is a little messy, so I also have harvest boosters in there too for more starred crops :D

[floral talon]

fridnly reminder to not use the random layout app is it sucks unles u randomly get a good layout or really struggle making one for the plants u need

[mint sandal]

Is it possible to make weed block and water retain fertilizer in worm/glow worm farm or can we only buy them?

[floral talon]

wormers make quality up form sweet things and harvest boost from the rest

[mint sandal]

So weed block and aqua fertilizer are buy only then?

[floral talon]

yeay but htye are cheaper hten the sell price of hte wormer ones anyways

[mint sandal]

I just wanna know cause ima need to use some on my garden and would've made them if possible

[floral talon]

well u got all the answers u need now

[mint sandal]

Ye

[rapid maple]

can the datura flower and baharricenia flower can be placed near the lake or pond?

[clear kindle]

probably not without using out-of-bounds glitching

[rapid maple]

how do i do that

[clear kindle]

that, you'll have to check out probably housing-decor channel. i've never tried it myself

[rapid maple]

ok

[light iris]

Every growth cycle, and you can put several layers on so you don't have to do it so often. Just don't go to 99, it will stop you from interacting with it.

[light iris]

Some of the plants have their own natural buffs like i think potatoes have water retain. I plant a row of potatoes next to a row of tomatoes and I don't have to water them unless I have to replant. Man it's a timesaver.

[floral talon]

dont forget harvest boost for the +50% yield

[light iris]

Absolutely!

[floral talon]

ud be surprised how many poeple dont know that exists

[light iris]

I knew nothing about that stuff at first and it really hurt my income.

[floral talon]

was ur level? i can hand ya the bestest layout for gains to ya

[remote girder]

oh thanks for that lifehack! i think i'll do the same thing to worry less

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb linkn to garden planner and the best beginner layuout patterns

[remote girder]

I see empty cells in this pattern. Don't I need to plant anything there?

[floral talon]

midlane is just an example of alternative way to chain companion(same buff) plants to make them buff themzelfs

again its not a layout layout its a layout with examples per soil of what u can do and whats best for beginners

cuz they still benefit from quality up cotton gives and they ned the cotton
full harvest boost and water retain is practically a ust int he beginning since ur water can is garbo

[light iris]

Oh no that time is past. I'm close to 200 on levels. But thank you!

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb this one is also nice for just water retain

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp

this is the ultymate afk strip

[remote girder]

thank you!

[low tusk]

im sure this has been asked before, but what's the best cash crop to plant, generally speaking?

i just want to spam it on my plot with maybe a few other plants mixed in for buffs, and then make big money after turning into seeds or preserves or something

[floral talon]

tryahrding bokchoi

[grave crow]

tomatos are good too

[hearty tree]

hey quick question. if i turn 30 carrots to seed and sell them do i get more money thatway?

dunnu really what im doin with farming atm ahaha

[floral talon]

carrots better of jarred though

[hollow zephyr]

You can basically mine money by planting a bunch of tomatoes and when you harvest them, split it and sell most of them and make seeds from the rest, then replant the seeds

[harsh storm]

You can also put them in the crafter, where they’ll be made into jam and pickled tomatoes (e.g) and make more money than just regular tomatoes

[floral talon]

Tomatoes are actually not great crops at all cabbage potatoe combo is superior

[harsh storm]

Didn’t know that thanks!

[floral talon]

tomatoes are 40coins more per hour realsistically over cabbage but ALOT more work to harvest muc more times and porocess cuz u need more tomatoes per unit produced in the crafter

[slow flame]

Can someone help me with a potato farm with crops that give harvest boost? I don't know how to do it 😂

[floral talon]

Hangon 5min

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb

ya midlane chain it like that though

[slow flame]

Thank you, I appreciate it

[astral prism]

is it true that when you get to lv 25 in gardening, is it guaranteed golden crops?

[floral talon]

with star seeds hell yes

[wild sleet]

do i get star seeds if i put star fruits in the seed maker

thank u

[fresh holly]

is there a pre-made where i can have at least one of every crop with harvest boost?

all at once

[runic perch]

sadly i only have one for water and weedblock and some harvest boost
but making fert is really easy since it's craftable

[fresh holly]

yeah i am too lazy to craft and spread fertilizer constantly is the thing lol

[runic perch]

you can stack them up to 99 so youd only have to do it once for a while if that helps lol

[fresh holly]

thank you! ill probably just steal this and not care about harvest boost

[floral talon]

thats a terrible layout

[runic perch]

well that's unnecessarily phrased harshly

[floral talon]

use this shape alittle so u need way less fertiliser

and a little bit of this one

[floral talon]

mh maybe its better then i think since it has a portion growth boost despite that not existing and i just look at the 43% harvest boost whcih is real low might be better if its updated for that so the picture is uptodate

[clear hatch]

What can you do with lettuce

[frail escarp]

Nothing yet

It's an unintended addition, keep them in inventory until they actually get implemented

[clear hatch]

I rlly want reths soup tho.

[floral talon]

dump it in your lockbox for all eternity till they add it to the game

[mint sandal]

I have one that is naturally 100% water retain and is 100% harvest boost with minimal fertilizer use, made it myself

[buoyant pulsar]

Similar Garden Layout
100% Harvest Boost and Water Retention (NO fertilizer)- Primary focus on all Star Cooking materials (No Cotton). Plenty of turn over for preserves (I use 8). I use Weed Prevention on every plot, optionally you can use Speedy Grow.

[pseudo whale]

Literally planting this now. Thank you!

[slow flame]

should i keep my tomato’s for seeds/half of them for seeds or should i just sell them all? not sure what’s the best way

[floral talon]

jar but ya keep some to reseed

[slow flame]

don’t have the jars yet, still pretty early game rn

[floral talon]

then seeds so u can sell for some money to buy soils with

[floral talon]

i approve

[floral talon]

is this also int eh correc tratio of what cakes need?

[mint sandal]

Does anyone have an all crop 100% water retain and 100% weed block layout that doesn't require fertilizer?

[vocal turret]

I'd love to know that too. I just dump fert on my water retaining garden to make is self sufficient, Ususally buy 500-1k ferts at a time

[floral talon]

thats generally not possible to 100% cuz u mis sout on harvest boost at the corners that way

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HBkPPC.HCbCbBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCr.HBkC.HBkCrCbP-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr.H

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp

[mint sandal]

I don't care about harvest boost

[floral talon]

lemme whip something up for ya then

[mint sandal]

Thanks! I been trying for about half an hour but I can't figure it out lol

[floral talon]

took 30seconds if no harvest boosting

also mostly super ez to plant

[mint sandal]

Is not all crops tho

[floral talon]

i do won der does harvest boost also affect xp gain ?_?

[floral talon]

u didnt ask for every crop lol

[mint sandal]

I literally did

[floral talon]

ok thats gonna take a little longer to make how many of each ya need?

[mint sandal]

At least 1 of each is all I need

[floral talon]

ur basically using it as ur fridge then XD

[mint sandal]

And thank you, appreciate the help

[mint sandal]

Yeah lol

[floral talon]

ok so heres the hting if u let 9 weeds on ur plot stuff stops getting weed as its max thats one way to weedblock evberythign but its glitchy

or should iuse the normal method which would reduce harvest boost lols

[mint sandal]

What do weeds do exactly? I didn't care about weed block before but I noticed that iften if I don't check on my garden daily some patches aren't watered despite my layout being 100% water retain

[floral talon]

harvestable patches iun their final stage stop beign watered and weeds normally just block growing but hsouldnt reduce being watered

[mint sandal]

Ooooh, that's a me problem then

[mint sandal]

The normal way please. I already have at least 150 of each crop from my current layout so harvest boost isn't really needed rn lol

[floral talon]

and done https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-TPCOCoOBkPCb-TBBPBBCoCBk-OTPCCoCTCbO-TPCOCoOCPT-CPTOROTPC-CBkCoSpSpPSpSpT-TPCOCrOCPT-TPCOWOCPT

your own spoecial layout tailored to YOUR needs

[mint sandal]

Nice, thank you!

[floral talon]

its mostly based around having th ose tiny self sustained modules per soil but u eed to border something for the 2x2 plants so u can very flexibly make a layout that way well aslong as u dont care about harvest boosting

[mint sandal]

I see. I think my problem is that when I try to come up with a layout I tend to go with symmetry, which doesn't work for everything, and when I try to force myself to not be symmetrical my brain just doesn't work lol

[crystal crow]

What app is that

[mint sandal]

The Palia garden planner

[crystal crow]

Ty

[mint sandal]

1st result that comes up when you search online

[floral talon]

its our layout planner tool its amazing

[crystal crow]

Is this good

[floral talon]

what are u trying to do with it?

cuz it seems like u jsut want super ez planting

[crystal crow]

Make jam and sell the fertilizer and i will make the apple seeds every tine

[floral talon]

so u just want money and ez planting then?

[crystal crow]

Yeah

[floral talon]

ok so the thing is ur setup u gotto water everything every hour weed evrything every hour and u dont get harvest boost at all besides for one lane of carrots and harvest boost is +50% crop yield which is quiet alot

[crystal crow]

Can you make me one with those crops

[floral talon]

i already have 😉

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HBkPPC.HCbCbBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCr.HBkC.HBkCrCbP-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr.H

its alittle bit of harvest fertiliser but nmot to much though

btw bear what is your level in gardening?

[crystal crow]

Idk

[floral talon]

u super duper new to the game?

[crystal crow]

Like i only have first trophic

[crystal crow]

How many seeds of each is this

[floral talon]

u can press I for inventory and the levels are also shown there

[floral talon]

literly shows in the top row of the brown rectangle XD

[crystal crow]

Ty

[floral talon]

can you tell me your level?

[crystal crow]

Why

[floral talon]

some layouts are better for lower levels but not for higher levels

[crystal crow]

I am level like 13

[floral talon]

cuz u still need tons of cotton and lower levels benefit from the quality up buff from cotton

[crystal crow]

I am level 13

[floral talon]

yeay thenuud still definitly benefit from the cotton layout though it requires some weeding thats ok since u need the whack 1k weeds ahcivement still

[crystal crow]

i’m gonna do the layout that has the link

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb

shows some ***examples ***on how to line the crops up for water retain 100% harvest boost and having some cotton to buff quality (which u really need to stock up on star seeds and get way more starred produce which is +50% more value)

[cunning pier]

is there a way to plug in how many seeds you have avail and get it to work out a layout from that? would b cool

[frosty thunder]

Hey all! I wanted to ask what's the fastest way to make coins while afk? Are tomatoes and potatoes still the play? I've been doing bok choy but it's been a fair bit too active for me and I'm getting burned out from it :/

[muted rapids]

I do potatoes, get the to star quality and then preserve them cause it sells for higher.

Can we use two fertilizers at once cause I want to put weed blocker and hydrate pro down?

[frosty thunder]

Apparently that doesn't stack

Do you just solely do potatoes?

[half vortex]

I thought star quality potato seeds > preserves?

ig if i was just doing like 2 crops and wanted to spend the least amount of time dealing with crops I'd probably make a checkerboard of tomatoes and potatoes so less time spent watering, fertilize whatever other property I want, then preserve the tomatos and seed the potatos.

just water every few days and check for weeds

ig doing seeds and preserves isn't as fast as just selling crops but

[frosty thunder]

I have no idea. I'm like 3 days old into the game. And when I did bok choy, I felt like I spent so much time in the garden. So wanna reduce that

[half vortex]

I feel like tomatoes and potatoes is worth trying at least. use fertilizer to get them to star quality so that you can get star quality seeds, and process or just sell the rest imo

i don't mind waiting for processing because I don't always have time to check in in a day so I'm not like...waiting on them?

but it's very possible someone else will come along and have more to say. I'm not a min-maxer or anything, I'm not worried about being the most efficient.

[hearty tree]

hey quick question!! can i put starred meat on glow worm farm and will the glow worm cost more money?

[stable ginkgo]

No, but you will get more product since the output is based on value input

[runic perch]

if you're selling raw output, usually regular worm farm is better because it produces more worms

but you can check the docs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?gid=19217145#gid=19217145

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?gid=1206330854#gid=1206330854

[floral talon]

Ur better of using star meat for cooking

[clear kindle]

grilled fish is the way to go for either worm farms

[twilit inlet]

So everytime I replant its making me put fert back down? It removes my fert thats there even if its the same crop (potaotes, tomatoes, corn, blue, apples) I never noticed this before, did it always do this? whats the point in stacking the fert then if I just have to reapply it every time I harvest

[floral talon]

u have to reapply it weird mine just stays invisible till i plant something again which is kinda strange on its own

[twilit inlet]

The fert stays visible for me after I harvest. it isnt until I put a new seed down that it throws it back into my inventory and makes me reapply. I put full 99 stacks on everything so what a waste of time that was

[near sage]

hey, does anyone know what time flowers can be watered? is it one time a day, or more? thanks!

[sacred zenith]

From what I’ve seen so far, it’s just once a day

[near sage]

and because I realized I was vague - is it once a calendar day or once a palian day? 🙂

[sacred zenith]

Every in game day 🙂

[muted rapids]

I use star meat in both farms to get the harvest boost fertilizer

[floral talon]

thats honestly a waste of star meat unles hunting is really ur hobby (and u thus have way to much of it anyways)

[muted rapids]

yeah i have a lot of extra

[misty abyss]

@wary finch Friend! I require a money settup for once, only request is no apples or blueberries

can be litterally anyting other than those

[floral talon]

uhm excuse me i also exist
u need only money or also water retain or any extras?

[misty abyss]

yis but me likey lys :(

and no water retain needed, just money i like watering

[floral talon]

no weedblock either?

[misty abyss]

i dont use fertilizers

I use ma elbow grease

[floral talon]

il minmax fertiliser in the layout i send others anyways

how many growth ticks do u get in per day?

[misty abyss]

no fert i jsut dont wanna use fert

and i dunno what growth ticks are ngl :D

[floral talon]

thats something super relevant
like how many times per day do you make your crops grow cuz they only grow during when ur online at palian 6am and if u go offline till the next 6am

and its relevant since ur crafters do work 24/7 so u need to balance it abit as some plants are way worse if ur crafters cant keep up compared to tohers hence im asking

[misty abyss]

i just afk at ma house

and every single i ngame day check on them

[floral talon]

this game dont got an afk kick wth
ok then il pick something thats less processing heavy for ya

u do harvest every time right since u also water every hour

this doesnt clog ur seed collecters since corn is apprently quiet a good money plant and it can be jarred just aswell
also since u dont care about water retain or weedblocking u can go full harvest boost plants ...

[misty abyss]

CORNNN

[floral talon]

im shocked byt hte results to (only potatoe and bokchoi can give more coin per hour but those cant all be processed on ur amount of growth ticks

[vocal egret]

Wondering what the new recommended garden layouts are???
There used to be a spreadsheet. Hmmm.

[floral talon]

i cant interpretate that spreadsheet though XD but i know from experience what works best and my god its not bokchoi or potatoes only

[twilit inlet]

I def get afk kicked frequently if I don't move my character.

[floral talon]

u dont sleep right?

[misty abyss]

whats sleep

[floral talon]

its the thing that u pass out after a while

[twilit inlet]

[vocal egret]

Hahaha. I tried the layout generator and it wasn't exactly what I wanted. Hmmm

[misty abyss]

i just drink liquid cocai.. I MEAN COFFEE lots of coffee

[floral talon]

theres no layout generator got it its a lie

[vocal egret]

What do you mean? There's one on PaliaPedia

[floral talon]

whats that?

nvm i found out palia pedia but their layout generator is quiet bad

[spare flax]

#🌱│gardening message

This one looks pretty good. Unattended layout for 4 apple trees

[misty abyss]

i say afk i mean i cook for 20 hours

[floral talon]

yeay thats then 20-21 growth ticks is quiet ALOT!!! u def need something thats not turned into seds enmass
(though some stuff can definitly be sold without processing once u overload theri capacity lmao)

[scarlet jackal]

does someone have good profit farm layout for gardening level 4?

[floral talon]

finally someone saying their level

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb

its example patterns to make ur own (patterns are optiomised for newbys since they benefit from getting quality up and they need cotton) (shows how to chain same bnuff type crops to))

[scarlet jackal]

yeah figured out that it would be niece bc only layouts i found quickly had apples and other stuff i dont have open 😭

[floral talon]

poeple tend ot be really bad in making things accesible for newer poeple
(so i made that layout basewd on what others made to be best for newbies but made it so that it does also introduce making ur own layouts a little bit)

[scarlet jackal]

thanks, that helps me a lot for now

[wary finch]

@misty abyssI'm currently quite busy in rl with no time to actually care about Palia and I'm pretty certain, that @floral talonwill find a good solution for you as well. As far as fertilizer go, once level 10+, using just 30 fertilizer units per week grants you 30 farming medals for this weekly challenge. You can even just dump them on a tile - tata you get the medals - and now you retrieve those 30 again by using 1 unit of another fertilizer on that tile. If that unit is not used, you can retrieve it again when you dump another 30 units on that tile next week. So these 30 medals per week are basically for free.

[copper valley]

wow i finally got the fetilizer glitch again since like the May update

[rain umbra]

Sweet leaf and spice sprouts will pull from non-stared when cooking. Some non-main items like that don't have to be stared. All my crops are always stared and I cook with non-stared sweet leaf/sprouts.

[slim pine]

Hi! I'm also new with a similar gardening level (3) and wanted to say thank you for sharing this layout.

You mentioned that cotton is needed for newbies. Are there any other crops that are must haves in the regular plot because they are a resource like cotton? I'm not min-maxing for profit and currently having something similar to what you linked but favour potatoes over cabbage and corn over rice because I just like them more. Thanks!

[floral talon]

Apples for honey lures and a little bit of everything but cotton to cook with but u can stockpile

Starred is best for cooking cuz more starred food chance and once u run out of a starred ingredient u auto use unstarred abd vice versa

[slim pine]

Thanks. It will be a long time before I get apples (or blueberries, my beloved ) but this is good to know.

[wild sleet]

what do weeds do?

[merry sonnet]

prevent water from getting to the crop so it won't grow

[wild sleet]

ohh

even if its beside a water retaining plant right?

[merry sonnet]

yup c:

[floral talon]

Sometimes they can be gifted to a villager and u cann em for extra money abd whack alot for an achivement but they mostly annoying

[mystic skiff]

I'm grinding for hotpot.
Do I have to keep returning into my plot every hour for it to grow or can I just come back say every 3 hours? I getting the obnoxious unable connect to game server bug whenever I got to another instance of the map.🤦‍♂️ and it's making a trip that can easily take one minute into a stupid loop of loading /reconnecting/restarting for 5-10 minutes.

[runic perch]

if you have water retention on everything they can probably mostly be safe (weeds will dry them out though so that's a risk unless you have max water and weed block going)

[floral talon]

Growth ticks every palian 6am when ur online then u get it and up to the next 1 time after u last logged in
Plants with weeds or unwatered or harvestable do nit grow

[twilit inlet]

nope dont need to be in your plot. just load up on weed and water retain and ur good

[mystic skiff]

Oh so as long as I'm online and the crops can water and weak themselves then they should still be growing correct question mark

And I don't actually have to return to my home plot everyone hour as long as I'm online right

[floral talon]

yeay but what is aid about growth ticks and not osmething preventing em from growing is still something ot keep in mine

[mystic skiff]

Thanks that gives me peace of mind. I have a water/weed farm already

[hazy wren]

Hey does anyone know if unplanted soil untills itself after time? And how long that may take? I’m trying to move my soil to a new plot. Edit: I’m playing on switch, is there a way to manually until it?

[floral talon]

takes 48hours after last tilt and theres a pplant on it after that time till that plant ggets harvested or removed away

[hazy wren]

Lovely, thanks!

[slim saddle]

@floral talon do you have a garden layout that's afk money making for higher levels?

[floral talon]

Yes. Il send it once i get online

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HBkPPC.HCbCbBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCr.HBkC.HBkCrCbP-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr.H
this one if for if u want apples

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp

this one is for pure afk moneys (u plant it by going in diagonals with each croptype(that isnt the midlane)

[quaint pier]

can someone tell me how many apple jams fill a worm maker thing

[clear kindle]

i used to just throw a full stack of 30 jams into it and just clear the bin out twice a day. but since they changed the output of jams from harvest to quality i just sell the jams as is

[runic perch]

yeah i thought about how it is probably time to stop ruling over my worms

[clear kindle]

did they nerf the outcome of profit for the apple jams, i felt like i made less with the apple jams to quality than i did with harvest boost

[wild sleet]

how do i use this calculator? do i replant the same on harvest days or do i have to wait until last day to harvest all at one go?

[floral talon]

tyhe gold per day thingy assumes u harvest once something is harvestable (it just a little weird one something like when u got two plants one every 3 days harvest and one every 5 days it can sometimes think production is one 3day crop harvest once and once hte 5day crop harvest making the average per day wrong thats why u should manually adjust the amount of days to like 30 or something)

[prisma vale]

I like suffering apparently

Aight final rendition

[floral talon]

what are you even trying to do?

[cobalt temple]

Where can I get blueberry seeds?

[turbid willow]

You get a few from Badruu's level 3 quest, otherwise the Gardening guild (skill 10)

[floral talon]

If ur newer u get em by leveling eventually

[drowsy breach]

Any way to get unstarred peppers for cooking? Should I just put in a request? (I only get starred from farming now)

[floral talon]

yeay so if u run out of unstarred ones u auto use the starred ones which u wanna do as much as possibel anyways since higher starred food chances (effectively mnore food for the same amount of work)

[drowsy breach]

Didn’t know it would auto use the starred ones! It just says I don’t have the ingredients thanks!

[prisma vale]

Tbh
I need to grow apples and blueberries, they're going out of the rotation as soon as I have a big enough stash. And I don't wanna waste space meanwhile so...
I'm not trying to do it efficiently to get gold, but I can already tell I'll have mixed up a few crops by the time of the first 2 grand harvest times

[floral talon]

could have just done this though

[prisma vale]

eh, true

[floral talon]

and the mid blurberry can be spicypeppers to

[exotic path]

How can I change this so I have more wheat, rice and cotton? I use a ton of those but I also wanna keep the 100% weed prevention/water retain

[floral talon]

im sorry btu im not specialised in everything farms

[floral talon]

bbtw once u got one bluerberry somehow u can request more and i can send some i need to get riod of my giftable ones anywyas

[cobalt temple]

Thx man

[floral talon]

if anyone is in need of unsatrred peppers blueberrys or apples feel free to tell me i need my storage space 😦

[slim saddle]

Tysm!

[tardy verge]

where do u get fruit tree

[floral talon]

leveling up gets u seeds from badruu if below 10 or something otherwise its more difficult
i can gift apples blueberrys and psicypeppers

[surreal mountain]

Anyone know any decent way to make harvests boost and quality up fertilizers? I uesd tomato causes they're all I grew.

[clear kindle]

two words - grilled fish

at least for harvest boost

[surreal mountain]

grilled fish for harvet boost. gotcha. trying to see about another fertilizer. any recommendation"

[wild sleet]

whats the pink arrow mean?

[mint sandal]

Correction: it doesn't auto use starred ingredients, you gotta select the option that says "use star quality ingredients". It doesn't matter if you have only 1 ingredients in the recipe that is star quality, the game will use starred for that one and regular for the rest. If you don't select that "use star quality ingredients" option the game won't use any star ingredients, only regular

[mint sandal]

Means you can eat it to regain focus

[drowsy breach]

That makes sense

[wild sleet]

thank you

[civic raven]

Which crop is the best for making gold if I'm being lazy and only grow one type?

[rare raptor]

guys is it okay to turn star quality cotton to fabrics?

[verbal compass]

Follow up question - do you get more fabric if you use starred cotton? Or is it the same end product either way?

[verbal compass]

Yes you can - I just don’t know if it gives anything different than the normal fabric like from un-starred cotton

[mint sandal]

Bit late but I managed to make one that has 3 of each cotton, rice and wheat. Doesn't seem like much improvement at 1st but they're all harvest boosted so you get a lot outta them. The layout came out with a decent harvest boost rating too, though there's only 1 corn in this (also harvest boosted), hopefully that's ok.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-OTPBkAATAA-CBkTABBABB-PSpSpOSpSpBkCP-PAAOTBCCbB-ABkTBCCoBTP-POTWBkCbRCT-PTBkSpSpCSpSpO-CoCrBkTWCPRO-WRPTCoBkCbTO

[mint sandal]

Nothing different, same output. Also you lose money by turning starred cotton into fabric since there's no star quality fabric, so if your aim is to make cash just sell it directly and keep some to turn into seeds to grow more

[wild sleet]

should i pickle everything before selling?

and should i use star veggies for it?

[craggy zenith]

I try to pickle everything. There are some arguments to put bok choy into a seeder and sell those, but I only heard about that. Starred veggies always first: It doesn't take longer so you get more Gold per hour.

after lvl 25 you will probably only get starred crops anyway (if starred seeds used)

[wild sleet]

thank you

[blissful scarab]

Do weeds have any effect on the crop?

[craggy zenith]

the crops stops growing i believe

[lunar hill]

I gotta expand my farm plots

Trying to hit level 6 so I can grow hot peppers and stuff like that

[spice thunder]

Heyoooo, I wanted to know if we get more money by selling pickled variants of foods or putting those pickled stuff into glow worm farms and then selling the worms and fertilizers we get from it

[floral talon]

Ur usually better of placing down even more crop processing

[restive sage]

does anyone have some farm gardening decoration and layout inspo?

the farm is needed for all crops, my garden level is 44 rn.

[floral talon]

whast an inspo?

[restive sage]

its short for
inspiration

[floral talon]

i dont do everything gardens 😦

[craggy zenith]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-WPO.HCrSpSpWSpSp-CWRTBBOBB-PBkCbTBBOBB-AAAAAAAAA-RCrBPWBCoRC-BCBBTBCbCoR-BCBBTBWCoBk-BAABAACbAA-ACrBkACbPATCr.H
My layout: Got everything with a light leaning towards apple jam and blue berry jam production

the decoration. (I used glitched rotated pillars though)

[floral talon]

how do u glitch that?

[craggy zenith]

desert plate on rotated shelf placed then placed pillar on it.

it's complicated.

[restive sage]

is it the same as the stairs glitch with the plates?

[craggy zenith]

probably yes

i'm new to this stuff

[stable quail]

is there some kind of best garden layout?

[floral talon]

nope but if ur specific in what u want of it we can provide the best one for YOU

[stable quail]

oh okay:)

[stable quail]

what is the best crop for money? like a garden made for moeny

[floral talon]

depends on how many growth ticks u get per day and crafters and if u can lkog in at hte righht times to 100% use the crafters

but if u wanna tryhard its bokchoi for sure (ultra tedious though)

[stable quail]

no i can't really i usually play for a few hours at a taime

[stable quail]

i think 1 tick? i dont understand what you mean

[stable quail]

bokchoy is best huh

how would a layout with that crop look like?

[floral talon]

theres one where u got one more bokchoi but its tedious to plant

[stable quail]

okay ill try to plant it soon

[floral talon]

ul soon find out why noone does this

but if u get very little play time in then its best

[stable quail]

i dont have too much tiem

[floral talon]

u dump everything u get into seed collectors and sell seeds

[stable quail]

sell seedS? is that a better way i always have been selling just produce and leaving enough for make more

[floral talon]

yes play around withh the garden planner to have some clue what the value increase is depending on what u sell as

[floral talon]

thats extremely inefficient

[stable quail]

wow i will never thought of that

[floral talon]

put those crafters to work all 30 of dem seed colelctors

[stable quail]

30 of them?>

[golden pawn]

Hey i have a question about farming ! I have a blueberry layout with other crops for benefits but of course my rice grew first do I harvest and replant the rice or will it ruin the buff? Do I wait till everything is ready to harvest? Does the buff depend on whether the crop is fully grown or not? (Sorry for all the questions haha)

[floral talon]

buff needs to be there from a existing plant on growth ticks

[runic perch]

you COULD let the rice sit forever and forever get the buff, even if it has a weed on it the buff stays

i was someone who let 9 weeds stay on harvest boosting crops so I wouldn't have to weed anymore and it kept harvest boost going

[floral talon]

apparently that bugs alot with apples is what i heard (but u coudl do a harvest boost water retain only setup then and just not harvest the plants ur not main going for)

[runic perch]

it depends, don't have them all on the same plot and it won't happen that bad
I did 6 apple trees with harvest boosting crops with weeds for a while and it mostly ran fine except if with growth boost fert but thats because growth boost fert is also very broken

oh and water retain fert also broke the trees LOL

[floral talon]

?_? 😮

[runic perch]

i just watered the trees myself and thats it

but it was fine doing that for several months

i was AFKing 30 to 40k a day with minimal work those were the days LOL but things are a bit different now

[floral talon]

apples got a nerf or osmething?

[runic perch]

they rebalanced everything so every skill is about equally profitable

though afk gardening is still easy gold with less attention (just gotta make sure you click something to not disconnect from game)

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111-11111_CROPS-CbBBPBBCbBB-RCbBRPBRCbB-BRCbBRPBRCb-BBRBBRBBR-CbBBPBBCbRR-CbBBPBBCbBB-RCbBRPBRCbB-BRCbBRPBRCb-BBRBBRBBR-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN

weedblock trick max afk blueberry

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CbAACbAACbAA-ACrAACrAACrA-AACbAACbAACb-AAAAAAAAA-CrAACrAACrAA-ACbAACbAACbA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA-CbNNCbNNCbNN

weedblock trick max afk apple farm (has 6 spare spots i havent found a use for)

was bored so made this in 5min

[runic perch]

nature's weedblock

i think funkeemonkee had a good one though let me check

here it is
credit to @wheat trellis

[floral talon]

awesome i love squares though if uneed to sometimes plant something on the side then mine is better but that one is awesome

[runic perch]

oh yeah sometimes needing cooking ingredients is why i watered my trees and did it like this

[floral talon]

though u do have to box in urfield so poeple stop weeding but how does one fix that

[runic perch]

that's been an issue we've had and we keep requesting to be able to have signs!!

another idea was a "gardener" permission

[floral talon]

or we could make a giant fence with building blocks but then how does one enter thyself?

[wheat trellis]

just shout at enough people that it becomes gen chat lore that you ban people who touch your weeds

[floral talon]

this why i commit the evil crime of tending to someone elses weeds and watering theri plants

[runic perch]

LOL I only had my plot open to friends and told them not to touch my weeds

[wheat trellis]

so did i but people assume they are helping by picking weeds - they end up getting individually moved to the no access list

[floral talon]

yeay im gonna block stuff of soon with the 100 large crates im gonna get

[wheat trellis]

no editing rights should mean they cant pick your weeds tbh - it should mean no interaction at all

but now i just put them in the prison with all the frogberts

[wheat trellis]

then how will you get in?

[runic perch]

open sesame

and then the gates open like moses parting the sea

[wheat trellis]

redstone in Palia?

[floral talon]

remove one carte and place it back each time its more about being able to block it of fast if someones on ur plot really or when ur inviting poeple over

[floral talon]

redstone was awesome

[wheat trellis]

most people can only join to plot 2 for tree chopping now days anyway

[runic perch]

whenever i play again im gonna build a shed shape around my hallway sign so no one can complete it lol

[wheat trellis]

but weeds are super helpful i love me a lazy farm

[runic perch]

lazy farming is best farming

[floral talon]

weeds be like: what is my purpose
players: u get strategically placed to block weeds from spawning
weeds: wt*

[floral talon]

i so hate the swear filter but i guess its necesary evil

[cinder dawn]

whats the best farm layout for leveling fast?

[fading island]

So the answer is "the layout that you'll tend to most".

[tardy verge]

how do u get rice seeds

[fading island]

Zeki's

[glass sun]

I'm a little confused I planted 3 trees and watered them before leaving to go out for dinner and I just returned but my tress are no longer there

[clear kindle]

check your other housign plots. apparently, trees like to teleport to other areas when they grow

[glass sun]

thats exactly what happened im moving them back

[clear kindle]

probably best to let them grow on the "main" plot and then transfer them when they are done growing

[drifting vine]

Is quality fertilizer something that needs to be put on every growth tick? Can you simply add it before you harvest to get the benefits? How does it work?

[clear kindle]

it needs to be there at every growth tick in order to get the full benefit of the crop, if you only place it once you may only get like a 25% chance for it to work for example. you can stack up to 99 to each plant so you don't have to worry about constantly fertilizing or you can place cotton (so you don't need to buy the fabric from tish's shop) to get the quality up boost until you are at a higher level (around level 15-20)

[obsidian badge]

Hi guys, I have a question concerning gardening.
I planned a specific organisation to try and optimise the plants.
But I was wondering, do you guys replant as soon as one crop is done ? Or do you wait until all is done and then collect everything ?
I am doing the first one as it seems so obvious but I was just wondering if it was the right thing to do.
Thanks !

[runic perch]

it's probably faster gold to replace, but if you want consistency and ease you could leave it for the buff
depends what you want

[obsidian badge]

Alright, I understand ! Sounds like I should continue my way then as I am looking to make profit for new furnitures.
Thanks a lot ! 🙂

[merry sonnet]

do weeds grow on fully grown crops?

[floral talon]

Waiting for all done is useless unles afk setup

[floral talon]

Yes

[merry sonnet]

ty

[frigid thunder]

Hi, new here, dont have a lot of crafters, no preserves jars yet since I'm only level 5 gardening, I have 5 seed makers tho, maybe I could add some more, but I want 2 layout suggestions (both for money and with boosts if possible), one without needing to water and weed, and one assuming I can water and weed every hour. also I don't have apple and blueberries yet. can anyone help

[kind imp]

As I level farming I get better chances at starred crops. Am I doomed to have to grow lesser quality seeds, if I want to gift people stuff?

[obtuse flicker]

whats an ideal afk set up

[floral talon]

Il send one when near computer

[kind imp]

I do 5 Apple trees, Tomatos, Potatos, & wheat. Doubles as an apple pie farm for glow worms & eating.

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HBkPPC.HCbCbBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCr.HBkC.HBkCrCbP-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr.H

[kind imp]

I use this one:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-WTWWPWWTW-AAAAAAAAA-TPTWWWTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPTWWWTPT-AAAAAAAAA-WTWWPWWTW-AAAAAAAAA

[floral talon]

excellent waterretain max apples one

[obtuse flicker]

Dope thank you

[dull maple]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTCOAACAA-TPCACOABB-PTCCBBTBB-OAABBCBBT-ABBTPOPTC-AAAAAAAAA-CTCSpSpPSpSpO-AAAAAAAAA-TCTBBPBBC

im trying out this one thoughts on it?

[hushed temple]

Hey so I think my gardening plots aren't working? I can't seem to plant anything even though I used my hoe to till the soil

[kind imp]

Thanks! It's all pretty hands off except for the wheat (I need this for my pies). I use weedblock fert to make it real "afk" and only need to come back every few IG days to harvest.

[floral talon]

idk what ur trying to dow ith it

[dull maple]

mainly afking apples and blueberries

so I dont have to farm every single day

[remote girder]

Hi! Send a screenshot

[dull maple]

or wait for a one apple tree 3 days before only getting 20

[floral talon]

but its not fully afk seems more like an everyhting garden to me

[dull maple]

how so?

[floral talon]

or did u not fill in the fertiliser

[dull maple]

im not picking up any farm except apples blueberries and pepper

im using quality and harvest fert

well then again im using star seeds only

does quality affect star seeds by giving more star fruit?

[fading island]

Can someone help me understand strategic weeds? I watched a video, but I don't understand.

[floral talon]

can only have 9 weeds tops so if u place em on plants u dont care about u can get ez afk farm

real question is how do u porevent urself from accidentally weeding

how to block me from accidentally weeding the rice plants? this is my imperfect solution so far

[runic perch]

the harvest buff stays so you can leave them on harvest boosting crops forever and still get a use out of them

[floral talon]

like what im doing rn buffing and weedblocking with the same 9 plants lmao

[runic perch]

yep lol

[floral talon]

i do need to more elegenatly block them of so i cant weed em anyone know how to do that?

[runic perch]

build a green house with a door lol

[floral talon]

what furniture is door?

[runic perch]

I personally was going to turn over and float a makeshift table, which is a door

[floral talon]

ic so u put a makeshift table over it to block it then?

[runic perch]

i was gonna turn them like this then put it like a door, yeah XD (this picture is from tiny dragon)

[floral talon]

il try that furniture as a blocking mthod then

[runic perch]

i suppose it might be easier to use a metal building block or something and pretend its a door
at least you can position them around without much struggle

[floral talon]

oh but i do nott need adoor i just need something that lbock me from clicking a weed when im tending to the other crops

[runic perch]

right i was thinking like itd be fun to build a little house around it and then have something that is more immersive XD like a green house

[floral talon]

but that still wont solve my problem XD

[runic perch]

lock your green house

[floral talon]

uhm but again my problem isnt others weeding it as i blocked my main plot but me tending to the other plants and misclicking potentially

[runic perch]

AH misclicking
HM
okay sorry for misunderstanding

yeah i did that a couple times hm this is just a thought
but maybe if you flick some small lights over them if you misclick you might just do the light on/off toggle? LOL

[floral talon]

small lights ok i might try tthat later

[radiant thicket]

Hi ^_^

Once plants are ready to be harvested, do they loose the buff given to plants around them?

[runic perch]

keeps buff, even keeps it with a weed on it

[radiant thicket]

Once ready to be harvested, the tomato plants are no longer keeping the apple trees watered.

I've been tracking it for a week to confirm.

[runic perch]

hm it could be being iffy, though if theres weeds on the trees it dries up the watering

[radiant thicket]

They seem watered with or without weeds, but I'll test further to double check that detail.

Thank you

[fathom trench]

So as someone starting out low level

What would be the best farm I could start growing?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb example patterns layout

[tardy verge]

is this good if i get 2 set of these?

[floral talon]

no but only cuz u dont 100% anmy buff

[fathom trench]

Dumb question... how do I actually get more crop plots?

[floral talon]

thats not a dumb question at all it makes total sense u wouldnt know

u buy more soils from badruu

[tardy verge]

do u still get the crops right and the crop buff like water retain and weed protection?

[floral talon]

u get em on some of the things but its more like whats the point of getting weedblock if ur not 100% it?
but ut layout does provide a larger variety of crops that what i would recommend beginenrs and that mighjt also be worth something

[tardy verge]

how about

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb

this is what im personally recommending but u may correct me if theres something bette rout there

[tardy verge]

there no weeb protection

weed

[floral talon]

yeay so i mean weedblock ijs only usefull if u 100% it anyways

[rare raptor]

Hey Guys, im looking for a great profitable farm layout. Im lv9 in gardening, could anybody share theirs?

[wild sleet]

I just got my first blueberry seed too, is it worth planting and making more seeds to farm?

Is there a layout that lets me put just that one seed 😅

[craggy zenith]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCBBOBBC-RCoCWTOCrCoC-RCoCWTOCrCoC-RCoC.HWTO.HCrCoC.H-NNNNNNNNN-WSpSpCoSpSpCr.HCoC-RCoBkWTOCrPC-RCoBkWTOCrPC-RCbBk.HWCoSpCrCoSp-CWCrSpBBSpBB
Here is one with 2 bbs. It's not by me.

[wild sleet]

Thank you so much

[runic perch]

there's a few ways to go profitable
I preferred apples to jam
so I did something like this for a while

ah but if you're not higher level uhh one sec, i'll get star quality in there

star quality up the trees and it's p good

but again it's just one way of many