🌱│gardening

[queen scarab]

How does the weed and weed prevention works? Is it a certainty that weed will grow or a possibility?

I think I like the plan with all crops, 3 apple trees, 1 blueberry and 1 chilli.
So I should invest into WeedPrevent from Zeki?

[floral talon]

Chance of getting weed without everything prevented

Weeding is also far less work then watering

[prime arrow]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmge

[opaque pumice]

one got cold

[crystal shuttle]

Happens to me all the time. 😂

[floral talon]

yeay thats normal

[twilit inlet]

you can also sell the weeds which adds up after awhile. any bit of extra gold is a plus

[twilit inlet]

usually if you go over it with the watering can it will fix itself

[floral talon]

Needs to be there on the growth tick to work

And whats wrong with that

[wary finch]

@slow flameformula is value/10+2, so for example grilled giant goldfish gets you 246 or 368 fertilizer dependent on quality of the grilled fish - don't put the starred version of it in a normal worm farm, because 6 trays cannot handle the output.

not on one account, I have 6 separate accounts.

@prime arrowyou can fix it with your watering can - just tap the can when you are on the spot.

@queen scarabthere is no benefit in having more than one, other than being able to do it all again. Or to calm down, when you get massively annoyed by top tier stuff not working or not working correctly - and the intro to this game is just brilliant, I love it any time (it's quite guided now though).

[light flower]

good evening, I'm just a newbie asking for a good layout to maximize money intake, and nice way to cook the ingredients

[floral talon]

What endgame content is not working then besides speedygrow?

[wary finch]

you know, I dislike for example, that they just ditched the boost from apples and berries, not because this would be reasonable, but because they aren't able to fix that - something that simple and they give up on it, this annoys me a lot.

[floral talon]

name one thing not speedygrow thats not working

[wary finch]

fertilizer randomly disappearing from certain spots, that bug which got fixed when I bothered them for a week start of the year with it, that bug is back now.

there are plenty of things not working properly, but when I start listing them now, I am getting very angry again and I just want to avoid that.

or the chat off option in settings -sometimes simply ignored. Chat in a whole is not decent for a social game, fonts not scalable, window not moveable or resizable, really hard to read, transparent background makes it even worse.

[cold blaze]

honestly the UI of the login page has always looked to me like it's meant to support multiple characters eventually

[wary finch]

yeah, but why isn't it implemented, I would rather buy from their premium shop if what I buy would be shared among several characters than just one.

but these prices are just too high for a single character - I could buy a complete game for what items cost.

[pliant geode]

ok question someone said something about not having to water crops except when replanting so i need to know how this is done please

[wary finch]

via companion planting of water retain plants (tomato, potato, nappa cabbage) or by use of water retention fertilizer.

[remote anchor]

does anyone have suggestions for a good farm layout that has every crop in it? and preferably one that needs little watering/fertilizers!

[light flower]

why every crop?

[remote anchor]

just because i like cooking loll i suppose i don't need every crop though 😅

[lucid furnace]

I grow every crop - but I switch it up based on what’s low

[light flower]

how do you transform it? is there a best recipe for money?

[slow flame]

People who don't farm for money, where's your income coming from?

[lucid furnace]

No clue - I garden for fun 🙂

My income comes from non starred bugs and fish and fertiliser I don’t need and excess worms and preserves

Sometimes I don’t touch the game for days so the garden doesn’t get touched until I next log in rofl

[remote anchor]

my main income just comes from fishing (star quality fish) and like selling random excess materials. i do turn most star quality crops into preserves and sell them though

[lucid furnace]

Most of the time I’m under 50k gold - I’ve never hit cap rofl

[wary finch]

that is normal for as long as you have things you want to spend money on

[light flower]

and what about people who farm for money?

[twilit inlet]

I always spend as fast as I make. I don't have a lot of time to actively play so I make most of my money from farming a few mins every 3-4 hours or during the day. I spend a lot of gold on materials most people would just farm such as bricks and planks. I'm on my second plot so the housing gets costly

I also buy a lot of furniture

[floral talon]

if u got only 3-4 growth ticks per day then il recommend bokchoi

[frigid forum]

I do a mixture of stuff to make money, which is why I love this game. I change up my garden depending upon my needs. I seem to run as much AFK as possible and varying what I plant. I tend to bug and animal hunt, mine, and fish to supplement my jam making and seed making. During the week, I tend to run large profit gardens or no weed/no water layouts so I can just log in to get the day tick and come back in two hours...and I can spend the weekday evenings exploring away from farm and getting my other income. If you can mine in areas no one really touches, you can find decent gems that way. Also chopping the out of the way big trees also can get you amber to sell. When I hunt, I can get the antlers and tails to sell, and I then convert the hides to leather to sell them for a little extra. Because I get more meat than I can cook, I glow worm mill them so I can get the good fish. Some of the fish can be 100 gold apiece before grilling them. And the bugs can be 30-40 a pop for the low-end. I like getting the green snails because you can make the buzz jars with them and get the rarer bugs...and those green snails are all over the place in Bahari. I hope this helps!

[floral talon]

bug hunting is only money if u use a honeylure aside from the unusual treasure catches but u probs dont wanna sell them most hte time

[frigid forum]

I should add getting the buzz jars do require milling stone for glass to turn into light bulbs and iron ore (if I recall correctly), but the stone is where you can find jasper. Oh, and many people will place honey lures around the flow tree groves, which happen in Bahari around in-game midnight. DuhScape is correct that bugs are the least efficient money-makiing unless you are selling the rarer items, but it's nice to know it's an option if you are leveling up your skills all the way around. I'm at the point that I have the weekly challenges turned on for all my skills, so the bugs are often done for that, plus I still lack some items for the vault quests so it helps to sell off any needless extras that doing those challenges accrue.

I'm not profit-oriented so my rarer bug items I'll save for that person who requests them. I've accidentally sold off the wrong items before, so I know how bad it sucks if I'm trying to get the rainbow butterfly again (after realizing after I sold it that I needed it).

[twilit inlet]

right now I do 5 apples and 4 blueberries, staggered so im harvesting berries/apples almost everytime i log in. then a mix of corn, potatoes and bokchoy unless i need something specific im running low on

I do sometimes leave my game running so I get more than one growth tick but im not usually sitting down to harvest right away. (chasing around a 2 year old all day lol)

[floral talon]

i cant leave hte game on tolong cuz my computer will turn into a oven stil trying to fix it

[frigid forum]

I try to log in every two hours, which roughly places you into the next day. It gives me a break from my daily grind.

[floral talon]

daily grind this game is grindy?

[frigid forum]

no, I mean the adult IRL daily grind.

[floral talon]

lys and that aqj utuber guy i have been concoccting some ijngenius mayhb eexploit

[west crown]

Newegg recently had a refurb MSI with a 13700F, 4060 Ti, 2x 1 TB SSD and 16 GB 4800 MHz RAM for under $1K. I wish I had bought two of them. My old computer was from 2019. It runs very cool for being a workhorse. It's amazing how computer keeps getting more efficient.

[floral talon]

yet software keeps getting worse

[violet helm]

I have harvested my tomato plants at least 6 times, they aren't dying. Is this normal? I didn't use any fertilizers.

IRL, my tomatoes are struggling with this heatwave. Maybe this is some kind of universal balance.

[floral talon]

4 6 8 10 are theri harvest days

if anyone needs to be gifted some apples blueberrys or spicy peppers let me know

[violet helm]

Yes, 4 harvests. I have harvested them 6 times already however. Just wondering when they die so I can replant other things.

[floral talon]

howd u do that

[violet helm]

Wish I knew! I didn't use any fertilizer, so I'm confused.

[floral talon]

hax

[violet helm]

Just checked them, now 7 harvests!? These nightshades are immortal!

[floral talon]

senpai teach us

[violet helm]

🤷

[wary finch]

hm, the low end fish is 100g each in the housing pond fished with glow worms. So you will always make good profit with fishing there, doesn't take long to catch one and if you are lucky and it's a giant gold fish, that is 1220g then, grilled (i.e. 2 of those combined) 2440g or with luck 3660g.

[floral talon]

hi lys have u seen my sneaky message?

[wary finch]

which one`?

[floral talon]

the one about instant fishing

[wary finch]

no, seems not

my new one, just a few hours old, has already her worm farm and is mainly financing herself with fishing, her garden has just 4 plots yet.

won't add more for now, need to create quality seeds first.

and get her a decent fishing rod, kinda hard to fish more valuable fish with a crappy fishing rod.

[floral talon]

so i had this idea of using hte 5x fishing next to someone boost and mayor hooktime boosters with max focus bonus and maybe u can then insta fish forever since u can buy two hookboosters per level eat some sushi and a fishers brew to never fial a catch and then profits

u might consume alittle bit to much medals but thhat can probs be easily offset by weeklises giving tons and tons

[wary finch]

hm, once I will have the exquisite rod I need nothing else, my muscle memory does all the rest.

i take fishermen's brew for ease of use and not having to interrupt reeling in when a fish jumps, but otherwise, I wouldn't need it.

but I fish just those fish, where I know their movement pattern resp. my muscle memory has adapted to those patterns.

anyway, back to palia.

[vernal niche]

Does anyone know or have a sheet of how much 1 seed per different crops produce per yield?

Like how much 1 apple seed yields total as well as per harvest?

[ornate crescent]

How (and from what), where can I craft a stronger axe to cut bigger wood?

[craggy peak]

Thoughts on this layout?

[floral talon]

on ur workbench after buying hte recipe

[floral talon]

amazing on the eyes and ez to reseed/harvest however it severely lacks harvest boosts or requires a ton of fertilsier for it its not 100% water retain so why the weedblock plants since u gotto go back to it every hour anyways
whats ur goal with it?

[craggy peak]

I always harvest boost everything haha. Overall goal is just to keep up the main ones I use. Extras go into jars for selling

[floral talon]

an exellent improvement thou have finall y awakened to the water retain superiority

[craggy peak]

Hahaha

[floral talon]

i am quiet shocked that u do not have tomatoes in there since it seemd your going for an everything garden

[craggy peak]

Not really an everything garden, just what I find I mostly use

[manic harbor]

do plants take longer to grow if they have weeds? or what do weeds do?

[pallid latch]

Prevent growth, well they suck up the water hence preventing growth

[manic harbor]

ooo ty i never knew they had an effect

[severe spade]

The way i just throw stuff into the garden wherever lol Gardening is my least favorite activity in the game

[wary finch]

@vernal nichethis analysis spreadsheet from Agajj might give the answers you want https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

it comes with an explanatory video to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

[lyric tiger]

You can't make lettuce seeds with lettuce? Bug ?

[severe spade]

No, not YET but Palia announced they have something planned for the seeds, possibly with the update next week

[lyric tiger]

Haaa okay. Cause I did plant seeds we received but could not make seeds with lettuce I harvested.
Looking forward to next update ty 🙂

I guess their textures need a update also.... LOL !

[severe spade]

I planted them all right away and was bummed I couldn’t make seeds. Then I was sad I planted them lol. I have the harvest just sitting in my inventory now

[lyric tiger]

Same 😄

[severe spade]

I heard that many of us did the same thing. Someone else mentioned they accidentally sold their lettuce seeds lol

[wraith tusk]

I wonder if they're increasing the plant limit in the new patch!!

[final urchin]

Hi! Can I ask what’s this? And how does it help in gardening?

[craggy zenith]

It's website for garden planning and sharing setups.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[final urchin]

Thanks!!

Btw, when or how do you get apple seeds lol

[craggy zenith]

you get some from questing

Zenki and Naio have quest with apple tree seeds as rewards. (relationship 3 quests) Or you buy them after level 10 with gardening medals

[hollow lava]

Hi everyone!! Is there a good layout for most/all crops (or crops that can be swapped for others with the same buff if needed)? I like cooking a lot and I need the variety, though money is also good lol
My skill is on level 12 rn

[modern siren]

Is there actually a use for starred cotton?

[west crown]

Not really. Sell it. It's worth more as cotton.

[modern siren]

Just as I thought

[west crown]

Here's one with apples, blueberries and 5 types of crops: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HBkCb.HTC.HTCbBkR-CBkCb.HBBTBBCb-C.HTR.HBkCb.HBkRTC-AAAAAAAAA-RCBkCbT.HCbBkCR-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkRTC.HTR.HBkCb.H-CBBCbBBT.HBkC-RBkCbTC.HTCb.HBkR.H

If you don't need blueberries this one provides more apples and requires less harvest boost fertilizer: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HBkCbTC.HTCbBkR-AAAAAAAAA-CbTR.HBkC.HBkRTCb-AAAAAAAAA-RCBkCbT.HCbBkCR-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkRTC.HTR.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-RCBkCbT.HCbBkCR.H

I recently switched to cabbage/tomatoes, bok/carrots and rice because you can sync up the harvest for everything except the tomatoes on every 3rd day. Also having too much bok choy and potatoes requires too many seed makers.

I used to try to optimize completely for money but @floral talon pointed out that you can sync your harvest dates and the additional AFK is worth it.

[floral talon]

Im doing my part

[agile nymph]

hi, i've been away from the game for a hot sec but i think i have most if not all crops unlocked, could somebody link me to a money making crop layout please

[hollow lava]

Ty!!

[floral talon]

Level whats ur goal for layout u mind watering fertilising?

[agile nymph]

my gardening is level 11 right now and i don't currently mind watering or fertilising because i'm fairly active

[craggy zenith]

I'm a newb so take it with a grain of salt. I'm rocking this setup I "borrowed" from a youtuber: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRWBkBkBkRBkBk-BkBkBkBkRBkBkWBk-WRBkBkBkBkBkBkR-WBkRBkBkWBkBkR-BkBkBkBkBkBkBkRBk-RBkWWBkBkRBkBk-RBkBkWBkBkBkBkR-BkWBkBkBkBkWBkW-BkBkRBkBkWRBkBk

[agile nymph]

this is really nice because i didn't really wanna have to grind for apple and blueberry currency, thank you so much

[craggy zenith]

Always making seeds and jars. I think bok choy is fast growing

want 150k-200k gold then i change it to something more for cooking and fun

[wary finch]

@final urchinsince the economy changes it is much easier to get spicy pepper, blueberry or apple seed because now Badruu provides one of those at the appropriate level for free.

@craggy zeniththat youtuber could be Aqajj, does that sound familiar to you?

[floral talon]

that one is only highest in theory and quiet alot lower for lower levels since u would actually benefit from quality ups its also extremely annoying to plant that setup

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
this layout contains some example patterns to make your own layout
water retain 100% harvest boost 100% and alot of quality up from whch u really benefit dont do potatotes/bokchoi since u cannot process it at all anyways cuz few crafter licenses

[agile nymph]

thank you!!

[floral talon]

second reason to use cotton is u still actually need a lot of it

[mint sandal]

Here's the one I made myself a few weeks ago after messing around for like an hour with the garden planner lol. It's 100% water retain, and with very minimal fertilizer use you can also get 100% harvest boost, and it includes all crops

[floral talon]

it passes good layout

[mint sandal]

Thanks

[craggy zenith]

Ill copy that after the next harvest. I have now 100k gold so enough gold that im not instantly broke again after couple of days lol

[wary finch]

@craggy zenithuntil you start expanding your house(s), that melts through 100k like sun light through butter.

[fringe rain]

You know speaking of weeks, I just realized I havent had any since the update or the previous one? I can't remember now I just know I dont get them anymore?

[floral talon]

weeks?

[fringe rain]

*weeds

[clear kindle]

what crops are you growing?

[floral talon]

howd ya glitch that and teach us

[fringe rain]

lol I only grow potatoes and then I put harvest boost fertilizer, but I did that previously and still got weeds so idk??

[floral talon]

theres apparently a maximum amount of weeds u can get htough

[fringe rain]

oh well purhaps thats it then

[autumn mountain]

Have they ever mentioned possibly increasing the 9 soil cap?

[gray ridge]

no mentions as of yet

[autumn mountain]

Bummer

[steel ore]

Does anyone have a plan that has every crop and multiple apple trees?

Omg I didn't know about this website. It generated exactly what I wanted. https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden

[floral talon]

that thing gave u a workable njot insanly crappy layout ?_?. dont forget to add the harvest boost fertiliser also it lacks some water retain to

[slow flame]

My funds are really low now. I need to figure out a good layout that yields good profit without waiting for preserves

[floral talon]

does that mean ur fine iwht wiating for seed colelctors?

[slow flame]

They're both about the same I suppose, I can wait if needed

[floral talon]

well without crop processing u probs just want water retain for lazyness so id recommend cabbage and potato cuz they dont have annoyingly many harvest times and can be chained with each other and combined harvest tiems of rice2xcabbage potatoe corn so u gotto do even less

[slow flame]

Thanks - You lost me on the last part though, not sure what you mean

[floral talon]

uhm so tomatoes are a bit better then cabbage in hourly profits but they also alto more works cuz more harvesting is needed to be done and rice is more profit then wheat and wheat more then corn but i like it if the harvest times of my crop line up neatly to save work cuz idc about htose 40coins/h differenc

[slow flame]

Makes sense! Thanks

[floral talon]

yopu can use this https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hpfor ultyamte afkness
or this
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb if you dont mind weeding

still weird that poeple make a setup with weedblock and water retain for afking but then they chose crops that differ so much inn gardening time they still gotto harvest and reseed 2/3 of the hours

[slow flame]

Is that calculating selling just the crops? Or is that with seeders and preservers?

[twilit inlet]

this is my layout atm. sometimes i put weedblock down when I wont be at my computer much. otherwise i dont mind weeding, its extra gold

[slow flame]

Money comes mostly from preservs I assume?

[clear kindle]

looks like it does, tomatoes, blueberries and apples to preserves and the rice and potatoes to seed

[twilit inlet]

yes and seeds, you can see that on the left

I also planted the trees and blueberries 1 day apart from eachother so I would be harvesting more often

but thats optional if you want one big harvest instead

[glass citrus]

I hope you don't mind I might change mine to more like yours. Mine was simpler in a lot of ways but you have better bonuses.

[mint sandal]

Feel free!

[mint sandal]

I made this one myself
#🌱│gardening message

[floral talon]

u can select it in the crops menu

[floral talon]

that still is a beautifull layout

[slow flame]

Just curious - How many preservers and seeders do you have?

[twilit inlet]

Right now I have 12 preserve bins and 4 seeders. 1 glow worm farm and 3 reg worm farm. I also have some smelters and sawmills out atm. I use the worm farms for grilled fish. I was doing 10 reg worm and doing apple jam to worms but im tired of emptying poop all day and just back to selling jams again

[final urchin]

hi, if it's alright for anyone, can i see your garden with seeders, worm farm, and preserve bins for reference? 😄 i'm growing mine, and just want to have a inspo ❤️

[final urchin]

this is marvelous! thank you for sharing

[steel ore]

Omg i'm going to have to use that. Thank you so much.

[mint sandal]

You welcome

[wary finch]

if you preserve or not doesn't really make a lot of a difference, if you play nearly all day (like being retired, working from home, study from home). Example: 9 apple trees harvest boosted by fertilization (lvl 25+ and all star seeds assumed here), yields 864 apples in 30hrs (this is playtime), 90 are required for replants, rest could be instantly sold for 74,304g - i.e. 2476.8g per hour of playtime.

processing them to jam adds 50%, but if it's worth the wait for someone playing a lot (don't really think so, even I preserved everything what can be put in a jar). It makes a lot of sense for someone not playing all day long, because offline hours are used to add 50% value to the produce.

[wary finch]

well, it's 50% more value, but when I said it doesn't make much of a difference for those with lots of playtime, I had this in mind: you will run into a brick wall anyway with this kind of income, there is the cap and it takes you just days to get there, with preserves you will just run into this brick wall even faster, and then what? buying crap you don't need nor want, just to do something with that money. It is at a certain point irrelevant, how much you earn, because it becomes a useless number.

[floral talon]

clearly the sensible thing to do is make a new character every month ...

[wary finch]

yeah I enjoy playing my new one.

[floral talon]

hey ur also a fire type

[wary finch]

oh ofc, wholeheartedly

[floral talon]

wait does palia actually have an accurate personality test system to tell who can get along?

and how did u even add that icon to ya name

[wary finch]

you can make it public in the settings on this server.

it is not a test though, you just choose it.

not that I would need a test to identify a fire type - they get things done which others try to avoid, they are risk takers and to the most part workoholics as well.

the successful self-employed type.

[floral talon]

and fire burns stuff down hehe

also what the characters say to me cuz fire type feels like they stare directl;y into my sould and aint predetimerned dialogues

[wary finch]

there are downsides to being a fire type ofc as well - like not being good at repetitive tasks, which don't provide something exciting, not necessarily a team player, sometimes impatient if people fail to see opportunities, which are so obvious to the fire type, then ofc having a problem with lazy people and so on.

[slow flame]

Idk if I’m fire type irl but I am in video games cause my power fantasy is being a go-getter eager to help my friends and not being overly critical

[wary finch]

rl doesn't always provide the opportunity to be what your real self is - in a game you can express it more freely, I guess.

[floral talon]

... firetype is like that in the game to ...

[twilit inlet]

i wish i could run into that brick wall of the gold cap LOL. I spend way too much

my plot value is 2mil+ at this point

[wary finch]

if you enjoy doing it, it is all fine

[floral talon]

i only spend 600k so far mostly on unlcoks

[wary finch]

as long as there is something to spend it on and you really want that, fine - but if you just start buying stuff to hoard it or buy coins to waste that money, that is imo the brick wall.

I rarely have played through games - well, Frostpunk endurance, extreme difficulty with hazards has keep me interested for more than 3000 hrs - but it is a game about clever management, which I enjoy.

[floral talon]

burn bright little ember

[wary finch]

most games are interesting to about mid-game, then most becomes routine and a grind and I'm losing interest.

[floral talon]

and many are way to overwhelming at hte start

[twilit inlet]

I don't hoard anything in storage tbh. I have two full villages each with 20+ rooms. so that is where most of the gold goes. I never have more than 100k at a time and thats with running jars and seeds full time

I dont do much grinding tho out in the world, i spend a lot on materials like ingots and bricks too

[wary finch]

yeah, lydia, because your rooms cost a fortune now.

[twilit inlet]

thats the thing though, most people who enjoy the plot building mechanics are never worried about the gold cap. thats the majority of the gold sink here so if you arent doing that there isnt much reason to try for making as much gold as possible

[floral talon]

im still not done unlcoking everyhting and i wan thtat 100million achivement

[wary finch]

that will take years

lets be generous, 70k per rl day, so 100,000,000 divided by 70,000 is roughly 1428 days. 1461 days = 4 years, so roughtly 4 years.

[floral talon]

nah im sure they add some money plant int he future plz do not caslc how many hotpot games that would be

[twilit inlet]

Lmaooo how many hotpot games 😂

But I was agreeing with you Lys. there really isnt a gold sink in the game apart from rooms and coins (which I dont buy because screw zeki coins)

[wary finch]

I'm not a gambler too

[floral talon]

zeki coins are for plush rolls

[twilit inlet]

no they're for carrot seed rolls

[floral talon]

i want my kitsuune plush

[twilit inlet]

I've only gotten the ranchhouse cottonbean plush from zeki, 2 of them

[floral talon]

at least ur zeki coin stash didnt half vanish when using it

[twilit inlet]

oh no, that sucks. I've never stashed more than 3 at a time but I swear I had one poof at one point

[white dune]

if I apply. let's say, 3 Quality Up fertilizers to one plant and then try to apply a Harvest Boost fertilizer, the 3 Quality Up fertilizers will be returned to my inventory bag. is this a bug? or must I apply only one type of fertilizer to each plant? I am reading I can stack up to 99 fertilizers on 1 plant. perhaps this is 1 Type of fertilizer? I hope this makes sense.

[wary finch]

you can just apply one type of fertilizer at a time

and like you experienced, if you apply a different one, you get remaining units of the former fertilization back.

and yes you can stack up to 99 units of the same fertilizer on a spot.

[wary finch]

so, day 3 for my new character - today's goal is transitioning from a bootstrap peppers layout to a peppers/blueberry setup, already prepared for the seamless bootstrap of apple trees at lvl 10+. I expect having this garden going, when this character will be just a week old. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-T.HPCbPBBCbBB-AAAAAAAAA-PAATAACbAA-ACbTABBABB-PAACbAATAA-ABBABBAPCb-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACbTA-AACbAATAAP transitioning will be done "live" at full production capacity with no pauses in between.

cotton production will be completed at this time and shut down completely. But as my character will be just 10+ but not 25+, I might have to quality fertilize the apple trees - or not, it isn't really relevant at this time, I can store a bunch of non-starred apples for later use.

Well, I need to hunt and do bug catching anyway, I can craft a lot of quality upgrade fertilizer in the meantime (as in now).

[reef latch]

looks normal to me

[craggy zenith]

you found the legendary apple treant, that walks around when you don't look

[wary finch]

I recognized something today, when moving around plots where something is planted on and change the order in which they are attached to each other, boosts are not updated immediately. To get it corrected, I had to leave and return to the housing plot to get it updated.

[craggy zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

I have no clue about gardening it seems 😄

[floral talon]

lys just plays the game in a special manner

[tight shore]

Hi, why am i not getting any flow tree seed from the statue?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp doing my first run with this thing yey

[floral talon]

flow seeds are much rarer or ur rng is awefull

[wary finch]

yeah, somewhat - 6th character does the "get financially independent and all crafters unlocked within 3 weeks from scratch" challenge

[floral talon]

lys is just into gardening only 100% crafters speedrun lmao

[wary finch]

not quite, I have to develop other skills as well and ofc I am building a house again

[primal sage]

is it more worth it putting the bok choy into preserve jars since it takes lesser time compared to seed makers?

[wary finch]

I put mine in jars

so far I have just 9 crafters, but ok, this is day 3 and it isn't over yet.

[wary finch]

will certainly give good results, but I see a lot of tedious work ahead of you with it.

it is automatic, but harvesting and replanting ... well you'll see.

[floral talon]

its surprsiingly doable to plantu just go in diagonals with each seed type (aside from midlane)
it be super ez if my character didnt stop moving while planting)

[gentle hull]

What would people say is good to plant at a level 5 gardener 👀

[floral talon]

duhscape reporting duhscape advice loading

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
this is a layout which shows aexamples of h ow to chain stuff so it buffs itself and the best beginner pattern

u always want harvest boost on stuff cuz +50% yield and in the beginnign you ened alot of cotton to make stuff out of and u actually still benefit from the quality up boost cotton gives

[gentle hull]

Ty

[wary finch]

yeah cotton garden was my first as well, 27 cotton plants, nicely boosted, yield 81 cotton, 9 required to create 27 seeds, leaving 72 cotton for the loom resulting in 36 fabric each harvest/post-process cycle. So 5 cycles like that create all the fabric required to build 30 jars later on - speed-run calculation 🙂

So if you really push it, you can get this done on a weekend

goes well with peppers as well, like 18 cotton plants supporting 9 peppers, both nicely boosted, creates a bunch of peppers for cooking later on and your cotton yields 54 cotton, 6 required to create 18 seeds, leaving 48 for the loom, resulting in 24 fabric for as long as you run peppers. Which will get less once you start creating blueberries starting at level 8 - but until the whole field will be blueberry and the first apples from level 10 on - you will have created most of the fabric you will ever need. (had to correct some numbers here)

So go for cotton - peppers and cotton are those plants, which you don't really want having to plant later on, when any of your produce will turn out star quality and you don't need the boost from cotton and peppers anymore.

[floral talon]

Id like to say combine early to get some star seeds stash

[wary finch]

yeah that is the beneficial side-effect, all the support plants providing the boost to cotton and peppers get quality boosted early on.

[dreamy zinc]

anyone know how to get regular blueberries? Any time I farm them i only get the star ones

[wary finch]

you can buy from badruu with guild coins, if you really need a non-starred one

but if you are level 38+, anything you plant will come out star quality, so this will not last.

[dreamy zinc]

how do people usually make a lot of cake then? I find it hard to gather the starred sweet leaf

oohh that's interesting i didnt know lvls had an affect like that

[wary finch]

that's the formula: 0.25 + (0.25 * useStarSeeds) + (0.02 * level) + (0.5 * hasQualityBoost)

[floral talon]

Lv25 all star seeds star produce only lv38 all seeds star produce only
They should just make star stuff giftable

[wary finch]

ah right, I forgot it is level 38+, true

[clear kindle]

not all items need to be star quality, so the person who is hosting the cake parties will tick off to use star quality items, but other items like sweet leaf may or may not be used

[twilit inlet]

^ this. if there is no star item available it will just use a non star version

and if there is anything you dont want a recipe to use you can put it in the lock box for safe keeping

[twilit inlet]

Yea I wish we can request or gift star items. I went to give someone fishermans brew last night and couldnt. feelsbad

[slow flame]

What happens to the crop if you ignore the weeds ?

[floral talon]

It dont grow but incase of rdy to harvest or unwatered it wouldnt either so if u never wanted to harvest/water a plant anyways u can just ignore it

[dreamy zinc]

Thanks Lydia and Lys, this helps so much!

[fierce beacon]

Best things to plant to make money?

[floral talon]

tryharding bokchoi

[acoustic current]

New Layout yay

[floral talon]

a better one like that has been around for a while though (it had tomatoes instead of cabbage although that dont matter) (and it had a few corn so no need for fertiliser)
also in ur example none of the water retain and blueberrys plants even have a need for fertiliser

[acoustic current]

Ok 🤷 dont really care for that just wanted to share what i like best
(Sorry if sound rude)

[floral talon]

u mind if i improve it for ya?

[acoustic current]

Yes i do

[sage glade]

What is this 😭

[floral talon]

a bowl u placed on it might be afood item

[sage glade]

Oh I did get a notification about soup when I was plantinh

The trouble is I can't remove it 😭

[floral talon]

mmove the soil rmeporarily then pick it up?

[sage glade]

Thank u idk why I didn't think of that 😆

[floral talon]

take care of urself

[sage glade]

Thanks u too

[floral talon]

unles it was soo obviouis tthat u overlooked it XD

[sage glade]

Haha

[hot edge]

do I sell tomato seeds or pickled tomato?

[floral talon]

jarred is better

[unkempt osprey]

Does anyone know if in the future the devs are planning on allowing more than 9 plots to grow stuff?

[half vortex]

trying to figure out if there's anything I can do to make this layout more effective. unfortunately I'm lazy and really like having 100% water retain

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbPORWCTSpSp-WCrWTPTCoCbCo-OPCbCWRBkCbT-PSpSpRPTPBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkPTPRBBP-TCbBkRCrCCbPO-CoCbCoTPTCrWCr-BBTCCrROPCb

[floral talon]

highly unlikely

[floral talon]

u can select some harvest boost in the planner on the spots that miss it since thats always worth having
bu tyeay everything gardens are way harder to design then other layouts

[half vortex]

yeah I just... like having a bit of everything but I also like... selling things so it's a tradeoff

[floral talon]

i honestly think it might be easier to design everything farms as not a single square sometimes well if u only go for waterretain and harvest boost instead of also wanting weedblock on it

[wary finch]

you will see in a short while, why it is unlikely - at start it might appear as not enough farming space for a good income, but harvest boost, having all quality seeds and a gardening level high enough to always get star quality produce, having all the crafters in place for an optimized post-harvest process is increasing the raw non-boosted and unprocessed produce value more than 3-fold.

[twilit inlet]

Id rather they not add more plots because that would mean rebalancing the gold value for crops. Id rather farm less crops for more than more crops for less

[clear kindle]

same here, i would rather keep my 9 plots of garden and keep the gold value as is

[wary finch]

dito, I've done the bootstrap now often enough to be able to say, this is not a problem at all, it just appear to be one as long as someone is brand-new to the game. It will ease out very quickly and be fine.

[wary finch]

I just designed one for pre-level 25, which has full water-retain, but cares for quality boost of vital crops via peppers and cotton (those 2, one doesn't really want to plant at lvl 25+ anymore) and is an everything garden with a shifted 9th plot on the right side https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-BkPTSpSpBSpSpB-PAABAABAA-ACrCoATSpAPSp-PTCbSpCoRSpAA-NNNNNNASpSp-PAATAAWAA-ASpSpASpSpATP-CoTBCoCbBOCT-BAABAACbPT-ASpSpAPTNNN

it is catered to what my new character will need in a bit, so not necessarily made for high money output.

i.e. 92.6% of the garden is used to create preservable produce, just 6 spots are "wasted" on others.

this garden will likely be run until passing level 25, then it will be changed into a 5 apple tree, 4 blueberry full water-retain layout (@floral talon you might recognize that character 6 has entered the dark side with it)

[wary finch]

this is the bootstrap garden my character is running on day 4 currently https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-RCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-RCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-BBOBBBkAAA-NNNNNNSpSpCo-CrBBWBBCrCBk-CrBBWBBCrOBk-CrBBWBBCrCBk-AAAAAACOBk-SpSpRCrCoCrNNN

shape and structure are chosen for ease of transition between certain stages of the garden

it doesn't feature any water-retain plants, because I will get plenty of those with the garden I showed before.

transition to the other garden will happen once I'll have created 6 star quality apple seeds

there are seemingly unnecessary boosts, like several of the grain columns, but those are there to stock up on grains, because I won't get a lot of those in the med-term future, so I have to stock up on them now.

I hope, what I want to suggest with it, reaches it's target audience - there is no such thing as a best layout for any situation and any skill level. It should be taken into account, when you will need what in which quantities and how and when those are best created, while you are still in the phase of bootstrapping your garden and crops/seeds in stock. This should be in focus, not quick money.

This said, any kind of garden will work somewhat, s6 has designed it in a way, that you can't really mess things up - so if you are not into min/maxing, just do as you please, you will still get decent results.

[slow flame]

Is the quickest way to get a lot of harvest boost fert with glow worms?

[wary finch]

normal worm farm is the same in regards to fertilizer amount for harvest boost.

formula is value/10+2, rounded down

and as feed grilled quality fish is ideal

ofc if you fish with glow worms you will get higher value fish

[slow flame]

I thought so - I have loads of glow worms (hundreds) but not enough harvest boost. Was trying to think of the best way to stock up on HB fert quickly

[wary finch]

in your pond are 3 types of glow worm fish, which are ok - the highest value fish is giant goldfish, next in value is cloudfish and the least of the better ones is nocturnal, stalking catfish

if you are lucky to get 2 giant goldfish, grill them and if the grilled fish turns out quality grade, that is a value of 3660g, resulting in 73 glow worms and 368 harvest boost fertilizer

that is about as good as it can get

[slow flame]

Perfect, thanks!

[floral talon]

Speaking of grilled fish i had a 100% 25/25 starred ones in a row using starred fish

[unreal iron]

Can I ask if there's a capped for the farming achievement medals?

[west crown]

Skill medals are capped at 2,000 for each skill. Personally I'm saving up for the well. Despite all of the descriptions in some of the more expensive skill medals purchases the well is the only item that isn't purely cosmetic (someone please correct me if I'm wrong).

[floral talon]

Yup that one aint the rest is besides resources and consumables of course

[west crown]

The anvil that "can change a lump of medal into anything!" doesn't actually do anything. Don't believe their lies. I wish they'd add a note that says "this item is purely cosmetic" to all of those so people didn't throw away their skill medals. You could buy a lot of silver bars instead of that anvil.

[unreal iron]

Wow, that sucks. Thank you for the advice!

[floral talon]

I still want one cuz they are cool

[drowsy breach]

I think bok choy makes more harvest boost with glow worms

[sleek delta]

Ich wollte Erde kaufen aber da steht kauflimit erreicht? Sind 9 mal Erde wirklich Maximum?

[west crown]

Ja. Sie können nicht mehr als neun Erde kaufen.

[sleek delta]

Bisschen Lahm um ehrlich zu sein....Danke für die Info 🙂

Ist es möglich Weizen zur Mehl zur zerkleinern und dann damit Brot zu backen in Spiel?

[craggy zenith]

Mehl und Weizen ist komischerweise getrennt von einander, aber Du kannst mit Weizen Teig und damit Brot backen für bestimmte Gerichte, aber Du mahlst es nicht vorher.

[sleek delta]

Dann wunder ich mich warum es dann die Mühle gibt xD

[craggy zenith]

Ist nicht alles so realistisch 😄 Du gehst halt mit dem Nudelholz über die Weizen 😉

[sleek delta]

🤣

aber erstmal lege ich eine Kartoffelfeld an denke ich

Chayne wollte unbedingt Kartoffelsamen haben, daher habe ich gleich 82 gekauft....einen zum verschenken und rest zum anbauen und verkaufen

[craggy zenith]

Am besten mixt Du das was du anbaust, die sachen buffen sich gegenseitig

[sleek delta]

OK Das Haus kann man bewegen die Mühle aber nicht? xD

geschafft

[uneven panther]

I don’t know if they patched it in recently, but everything I’ve read and heard from players so far suggests that the well IS purely cosmetic right now despite the description. If someone has it and can fill their watering can at it I would love to be proven wrong, but wanted to warn you about what I’d been hearing as a complaint.

[pallid latch]

quick question on harvestboost fert.
Is there a difference in putting the fert on the last day (before it fully grows to be harvested) and putting it every single day/stacking it?

[clear kindle]

if you only put the fertilizer on for partial of the growing cycle, it has a partial chance of working. it needs to be on the crop for every growth tick to fully work

[pallid latch]

cool

[clear kindle]

just tested mine, it still works. even picked it up (since it was down before the update) and yeah, can still refill my watering can

[slim saddle]

I'm able to use my well. Never had an issue.

[west crown]

I've never heard anything about the well being cosmetic or not working. Everyone I've spoken to has a working well. It'd be great to save 10 seconds every time I have to refill stuff.

[uneven panther]

Oh good! I saw a lot of complaints about it from like… nine months ago? So I assume it was a closed beta issue that got fixed. A problem coming into game as a newer player is a lot of those older conversations come up first when you’re searching for info.

[twilit inlet]

Ive been using the well to fill my can exclusively for the past 2 months. I cant remember the last time i used the little pond lol

[uneven panther]

I’m glad it works, clearly I should start saving for it

[twilit inlet]

its def worth it!

When I got it I was finally able to move my farm to the far end of my plot away from the pond

I mean not that you cant. Im just lazy lol

[craggy zenith]

What's wrong with a farm in the front? 😦

[twilit inlet]

nothing at all, I just had a good spot in my layout in the back corner

[craggy zenith]

THe only thing i don't like is that i can't build things around the pond

[twilit inlet]

I actually have the backside of a house in the very front with two paths around the house to the front ( which is facing the back of the plot).

[twilit inlet]

Ive seen some people do it over in housing. make a dock out to the pond with the new building blocks. I guess you can glitch them

[craggy zenith]

My plot looks like a mess, need to tidy it up soon

Still new and mess around with everything new i find

[twilit inlet]

Thats the fun of it! everyones plot starts off like that

[floral talon]

U actually can using the build blocks

[craggy zenith]

I had a random person invited that wanted to see my path design, I was actually embarrrased. My dresser was in the open. seeders everywhere. 😄

[craggy zenith]

I have to look into that then

[wary finch]

@sleek deltadu wirst feststellen in relativ kurzer Zeit, dass 9 völlig ausreichend sind, denn wenn du alle Möglichkeiten nutzen kannst (star Qualität, harvest boost und Einwecken), ist das mehr als 3x mehr Einkommen als am Anfang (vom Gefühl her also so, als hättest du um die 30 Felder)

so, day 4 still, 12 crafter unlocked so far, 18 to go, last 8 cost 200k, what do the 10 before cost? Maybe 140? That's 340k then, requiring about 140 ticks, so 2 weeks with 10 ticks/day, leaving 3 more days inside my target time of 3 weeks to expand my house - so yeah, I'm on track, that is perfectly doable.

[craggy zenith]

gardening machine.

[wary finch]

personal challenge, last time it took me 4 weeks, now I want to do it in 3.

I'm pretty certain, it can be done in 2 as well, but this is for another character then.

[craggy zenith]

Are you sure that you are not secretly a Galdur and that is your Oneness? 😄

[wary finch]

beep, beep, does not compute - please make another suggestion

actually my current fishing level is higher than my gardening level

[twilit inlet]

damn. I just got my fishing to 10 and my gardening is 60

I caught two giant goldfish on the plot pond, grilled them and turned them into glow worms as you said Lys

[wary finch]

since the economy patch fishing is a viable option to get you going pretty quickly, whilst you are still expanding your garden - and soil is much less expensive now and you get 2 berry seeds and 1 apple seed from badruu for free - this makes it so much more easy to do than before.

[twilit inlet]

I do appreciate how fishing is a one handed skill. I can hold something in one hand while still fishing

[wary finch]

that's how a real tea lover is thinking 🙂

one of the reasons I play nothing with a controller - how to drink tea with that thing blocking both hands?

[warm schooner]

Don’t forget to use the seed maker so you never have to buy apple or blueberry seeds 💅🏼

Also does anyone else feel like gardening is a little lacking rn? I feel like it could be way more optimized, especially if they introduced an irrigation system. It could be a cute quest involving helping Najuma develop it. I just feel like gardening is kinda lack-luster rn

[subtle depot]

Craving sprinklers

It would look cute to watch the sprinklers go off in the morning

[warm schooner]

Omg exactly! And like imagine an auto-fertilizer attachment like in coral island >:o

[wary finch]

a small garden like this isn't irrigated by sprinklers - drop irrigation (basically a water hose with holes in it) is more efficient, especially when powered by gravitation and water caught from rainfall. And apple trees are perfectly capable by themselves to get the water they need.

[ocean karma]

The only lacking in gardening I personally found is not enough soil, like, I want to make a plantation

[warm schooner]

Someone hire them for the palia dev team immediately so we can get proper and realistic irrigation!

[warm schooner]

Crazy wording but I agree, more soil plz! 🤣

[ocean karma]

Guess it's because I'm not native speaker

[warm schooner]

No worries it’s not necessarily a bad word, it just comes with some icky connotations

[wary finch]

I can understand that, born and raised in Germany, where the order of words is much more freeform than in other languages and adds meaning as well, which gets totally lost in translation, Without a rigid order of words in a sentence or a different one, a straight translation into another language might sound weird or sometimes out of place - but that is, where this is coming from.

order of words, that is where I really struggle with learning mandarin - like "I'm flying a jet aircraft as a copilot today instead of being it's captain" gets into an order like "I today copilot flying airplane not flying as captain of jet aircraft", it can be understood, but has a weird order.

[warm schooner]

As someone whose first language is English, I still struggle with word order and connotations and do not fault anyone else for it. I’ve also been slowly learning American Sign Language for years and the word order is so difficult for me to grasp 😭

[warm schooner]

By the way I hope I didn’t come off as rude when I said your word choice was crazy, the connotations the word has (which I don’t think are appropriate to discuss in a palia discord server 🤣) just threw me for a loop

[wary finch]

it was not meant as critic, just an explanation where this is coming from, in a different language one might think in a different way and express something in a way, which sounds a little alien in the target language.

[hot edge]

do I make potato seeds or pickled potato?

[wary finch]

pickle for profit, seed for replant seeds

[hot edge]

ty

[warm schooner]

Oh yeah I totally understand, I appreciate you sharing an outside perspective :3

[craggy zenith]

how many preserve jars do you have?

[wary finch]

depends on the character and how many hours I want to put in per day - most of my other characters run with 24 jars, 2 seeders, 2 worm farms, and 2 utility crafters (whatever else is required) so 30 crafter in total.

[craggy zenith]

ok i should make more jars

i have 3

[primal sage]

is 32k crafting license the last one we can buy?

[wary finch]

just if you can support them 24/7 - jars have a simple math behind them - they take a fixed amount of crop value and produce a fixed amount of output value, both are independent of the crop you put in, the difference is just in star quality or not - every jar running 24/7 will create an output value of 2700g with star produce and 1800g with non-starred produce.

yes

[primal sage]

lys, im currently using the farm layout from you, the one with 4 apple trees and cotton focused. Im gardening lvl 17 and have all the crafting licenses unlocked. Should I still stick with this farm until lvl 25 gardening?

[wary finch]

yes, because at level 25 you will just get star quality from star seeds and don't need to plant cotton or peppers anymore - so use the time now to create as much fabric as you need, later on you are not likely to ever want planting cotton again.

and I am ofc happy that it worked for you just as well as it did for me - all crafters unlocked at lvl 17 is wonderful.

[primal sage]

yes, it's a great layout thank you for it! i currently have 20 preserve jars, 4 seed makers, 3 glow worm farm, and a sawmill and smelter. Should i increase the number of preserve jars i have now?

[wary finch]

just if you can support them 24/7 - and that is a matter of how many playing hours you have on a daily basis.

3 glow worm farms are unnecessary - 1 is enough if you feed quality grilled fish to your worms - those are all in your pond, with glow worms go for giant goldfish, cloudfish or the nocturnal stacking catfish.

it might even be enough to feed them simple normal worm fish, like grilled mirror carps, if you don't want to use glow worms for this purpose.

20 jars well supported is 54000g per rl day - so you are well off with it already.

[primal sage]

how do i make sure i get quality grilled fish? I fish at my pond but i dont use any worms when i fish for grilled fish

what do you mean with this "with glow worms go for giant goldfish, cloudfish or the nocturnal stacking catfish." do u mean i should catch those fishes to make grilled fish?

[wary finch]

that is random, but you should go for quality fish and when grilling them select the fish you want to be grilled for as long as you have some better fish in your catch.

grilling combines the value of 2 fish into one -and has a chance to be starred.

[primal sage]

i think i made more glow worm farm cause a lot of the grilled fish i made didnt stack as one

[wary finch]

that is because you did not select the fish, so it took randomly 2 of them, which have then different value as grilled fish and don't stack.

[primal sage]

i fish in the pond at my plot but i dont get any quality fish tho

[primal sage]

ah i see

[wary finch]

without bait there is just one, cantankerous koi, you need to fish with normal worms or glow worms to get high value fish.

[primal sage]

oh quality as in high value fish, so i dont need to get like a star quality fish right?

[wary finch]

correct

because the glow worm formula is simple - value of the foodstuff / 50

[primal sage]

is it okay if i just use normal worms to fish to make grilled fish? or would you recommend glow worms? is mirror carp the best for the normal worms?

[wary finch]

so if you have for example 2 stalking catfish (value 200) and grill them you get grilled fish worth 400 or 600 (if starred) which results in 8 or 12 glow worms and 42 or 62 fertilizer units.

no the best for normal worms ist fairy carp, but the bulk of quality fish you will get with normal worms in your pond are mirror carps

fairy carp can already be 1080g as star quality grilled fairy carp - and that is 110/110 output in a normal worm farm and 21/110 in a glow worm farm.

[primal sage]

would it be best to fish with glow worms instead?

[wary finch]

yes because that is what gets you the most out of your fishing activity.

if you fish for 1 or 2 rounds with fishermen's brew you should get enough cloudfish to feed a glow worm farm with grilled cloudfish for 2-3hrs.

[primal sage]

im mainly getting scarlet koi by using glow worms in my pond, is that not a good fish?

[wary finch]

scarlet koi and the other one are the low value fish,which you grill and sell.

[primal sage]

ahh okay, thanks a lot for helping me out!

[primal sage]

how does fishermen's brew help btw?

[wary finch]

it expands the reticle so you have a little more leeway with keeping the fish in focus.

you can fish without it as well, it doesn't change the value or catch rates of fish at all - it is just easier to reel in the fish more quickly.

[dreamy zinc]

can someone sxplain fertilizers to me? If I have potatoes and harvest up fertilizer on all days, do I get more potatoes than if I only had fertilizer for one day?

[wary finch]

each fertilization adds a percentage chance for the boost to work, so if you put fertilizer every day the chance is 100%, with less many days it is less and might not work at all if you are unlucky.

[primal sage]

thanks again!

[wary finch]

if it works you get 50% more produce though, it is worth it.@dreamy zinc

ok party time in second life for me now, take care, ttyl

[ocean karma]

No offence, I totally understand the original intention. I would rather say it's helpful when ppl point out some of my mistakes as it is a way to get better

[floral talon]

pretty sure lys can handle rudeness

[fringe rain]

I believe I have discovered why I wasn't getting any weeds in my garden, I had a garden soil square in another plot that I hadn't been to in a while. I had an apple tree on it for decor, I just visited this plot and all the squares had weeds in it which I believe was preventing my other soils in my main plot from growing weeds.

[floral talon]

nice that way u can farm super afk but u do lose 11% of ur total tiles to doing that

[fringe rain]

True true

[floral talon]

potatoes and corn to go with cabbage and apples and since u blocked weeds with that trick it means only 2 harvest every 6hours so lots of time in between to not care or just harvest every 6 hours all in one go so afk

[paper horizon]

We need sprinklers sometimes I get annoyed watering my plants lol

[floral talon]

watre retain layouts though but yeay havign to water stuff everytime u plant it iss annoying

[paper horizon]

I don’t do all that boosting and what plants do what to what I just plant

[floral talon]

so u just single crop everrything?

[half iris]

best item to use for glow worms in the glow worm farm?

[floral talon]

grilled fish

[half iris]

really?

do you know how many glow worms per fish you get?

[floral talon]

output of wormers depnds on item gold value but 2 common glowworm fish turned into starred grilled fish is easily 6 a piece

[fast seal]

Just found out I could stack the harvest boost effect. Idk what the max is but I look forward to seeing the outcome of Harvest boost 48 potatoes.🐱

[floral talon]

thats not how it works

[wary finch]

I was not even meant, I just commented on the matter, because I know from own experience, how easy it is to use elements which make perfectly sense in one's native language, but sound weird in a foreign language - an example is "that's why", if this is directly translated to German as "das ist warum", this sounds totally weird to a german native speaker, because it would have to be "deshalb" instead. To learn appropriate phrases in a foreign language can be very difficult, even for someone with a high degree of proficiency in that language (C1 or C2) - there is always something to learn.

[lapis nymph]

Your English is fine and it wasn’t the order of words. It was the use of the word plantation, which has ties to slavery etc in more modern use. That’s what the person was calling crazy, not your actual sentence.

But the word itself is fine

Like banana plantation, etc ☺️ so don’t stress over it, and your English is great

[radiant thicket]

🤩 Well thanks for trying to learn either way ✨

Trying is better than nothing 😅

[wary finch]

Or take chinese - diàn nǎo is computer, diàn nǎo nào computer not working properly. But diàn nǎo nǎo which looks the same but is differently pronounced means computer brain instead. Now when you try to negate computer not working properly using "bu" in between both nao, this is not computer works properly, like one would expect, but computer isn't noisy.

[wary finch]

yeah it wasn't even me saying it, I just commented.

[dire kraken]

Hello, Ive been doing the bok choy layout harvest boosted with wheat and rice. it is producing more than i can process. anyone know if its better to sell the unprocessed or use less seeders for more preservers? Ive not tried to do any math D:.

[floral talon]

pretty sure the solution is even stupider stockpiele abit of the veggies for a day that u hit less growth ticks and sell raw if ur seeders cannot keep up 😉

[dire kraken]

that makes sense, Ive been capped at inventory since week 1 of playing X.X

[wary finch]

per jar you can process 40 bok choy per rl day, you can estimate from this, how to handle it.

[floral talon]

sell some stuff for iron chests and inventory uypgrades then

[dire kraken]

oh im at 10k cap. thanks for that number Lys

[twilit inlet]

Damn, I've never been close to cap and I've been playing for almost a year. I usually sit around 3k. I'm always using up all my materials, whether crafting furniture, rooms or selling stuff. I only keep 10-20 of each produce on hand, the rest is sold

[floral talon]

i already have more strategic stockpiles then just that

[dire kraken]

its mainly like 2k unprocessed bok, it just feels bad selling it unprocessed. I do hoard though, guess games let you do what you dont in real life sometimes 😄

[floral talon]

you can keep a few hundred unprocessed but the rest u canjust sell of into the bin directly

[wary finch]

takes 25 jars 2 rl days to process those 2k bok choy - produce value was 90k, processed value 135k

[floral talon]

u are using 30 seedmakers right?

[twilit inlet]

I always keep 30 of each single harvest seed and 10 of each multiharvest like blueberries, tomatoes, apples, peppers. and then usually 15 of the actual produce. as for other collectables im using as much as I collect so only have 10 or less on hand. wood and ingots, always low as im always building and dont have much time for grinding out endless mats

[twilit inlet]

Id take down all your stations and just do a 30 seeder over night to get through some of that. thats a lot damn lmao

[wary finch]

no 25 jars and that stuff is processed in 2 days, with seeders it takes an eternity

[twilit inlet]

you can do jars too like Lys said

[floral talon]

only that many i actually use more then that and sometimes sitll end up with not enough in stock

[twilit inlet]

I mean at that many bok choy just throw it in something. jars or seeds

[floral talon]

or sale bin
bu ti think u should just be like what crafter adds most value per time unit since those are the limit

[twilit inlet]

you could bin half that and still take time processing

you got the bok choy market cornered id say

[wary finch]

takes 100 seeder-days to process that,so 30 seeders would have to work for 3 days and 8hrs to get this done

[floral talon]

it dont necesarily need ot be done most value added per minute is production max of crafters anyways so it dont matter if u bin some

[wary finch]

processed value is higher than ofc 176k

but you buy those 41k more with 32hrs more, where all your crafters are blocked with processing this. Opportunity cost of this decision is 36k, so you make just 5k more with it compared.

[floral talon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Palia/comments/1akh2ll/updated_should_i_make_this_crop_into_seeds_or/#lightbox since crafters are the limitation and despite adding less total value then seed collectors on bokchoi jars do add more value per minute and since they by far cannot keep up anyways go jars

jars are 2.3% more value added per min and also easier to keep going 24/7

[dire kraken]

yeah ive been doing 30 seeders. but i think 30 jars is probably the way so i dont just sell unprocessed ones. Thanks!

[floral talon]

did the math for ya aslong as u cannot keep up with even jars then jars are better
once u can keep up a mix will be more seed collector based but yeay u also need seeds for reseeding and proces harvest boosting stuff(wether that be worm farms or barvest boost plants seeds)

[wary finch]

seeders can stop at 30/2/1 if you are unlucky, jars are by far more convenient to use.

[floral talon]

true reason to not use seed colelctors to much lmao

[wary finch]

or use 10 jars for that, then the job is done in 6 rl days,then your other operation is not choked by that.

[twilit inlet]

seeds are good if you are only doing a small portion of your farm. I do 5 apples and 4 berries, so I only have a small amount of potatoes and rice to seed so its easier to manage seeders

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp
im using this and surprisingly it doesnt get clogged at all since it has the right mix of seedcollectors and jarring

[twilit inlet]

I just pop my potatoes out when I need to make other seeds to replenish

[wary finch]

5 apples, 4 berries you are running just 2 seeders, I guess.

[west crown]

Is there a way to place more than 1 fertilizer at a time on a single square that isn't a tree or bush?

[floral talon]

if htere is let me know plz aside from clicking super fats using mousekeys but that has other problems like clicking 99times per computer tick

[twilit inlet]

right now I have 4 going but I had a backlog of potatoes somehow. I dont log in enough some days to need a ton of preserve bins out, i think i have 12 right now and 4 glow worm farms and 1 reg worm farms. I only have 27 crafting slots unlocked atm. I forgot to get the rest for a long time. maybe ill do that later

[west crown]

I had to switch some of my seeders to jars as I couldn't process everything I had. With the lack of new content the problem resolved itself: I don't harvest enough crops to keep anything going anymore.

[twilit inlet]

no you have to keep placing it. the tree and bushes still really only have 1 fertilizer considering you need 9 or 4 each day, 1 for each square it takes up.

[dire kraken]

thanks again, appreciate y'all!

[wary finch]

my youngest character (4 days old approaching her 5th day) is running this nursery, which turns out to be really nice during the bootstrap phase (she is lvl 10 gardening now and just got that apple seed) It is now an everything garden as well. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-CrCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-R.HCoCoTSpSpP.HSpSp-RCoCoWSpSpCrSpSp-R.HCoCo.HTSpSpCb.HSpSp-CrBBWBBCrCBk-PBBTBBCb.HOBk-RBBWBBCrCO-PBBTBBCb.HOCr-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q

[craggy zenith]

I like the non square design 😄 how long is this design "good"?

[wary finch]

forever, I'll show you my layout for level 25+ https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-T.HPCbPBBCbBB-AAAAAAAAA-PAATAACbAA-ACbTABBABB-PAACbAATAA-ABBABBAPCb-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACbTA-AACbAATAAP

the nursery is for getting star quality seeds of every crop and creating enough fabric for the future. It came to be from a cotton garden, transitioned then slowly into a peppers garden and finally into a blueberry peppers garden and now the apple tree was added on the right side. It's layout is made for easy transition, but it is as well quite profitable.

long before level 25 I will have all crafter unlocked and run with any cpmbination of crafters required.

[craggy zenith]

nice I forgot to get enough cotton so i have to stock up

gardening 19

[wary finch]

the last layout has an advantage,you can take out any of the apple trees and the rest of the garden stays operable - so you can occasionally farm something there for a little while and later replant thje apple tree there again.

[craggy zenith]

what do you cook/eat? You have no onions. Or just from the jars?

ah good to know

[wary finch]

but do not use that layout before level 25, it has no quality boost at all.

[craggy zenith]

I go for your layout one above for cotton

do you use star seeds`?

[wary finch]

ofc it is meant for all star seeds

[craggy zenith]

do you sell the non star ones?

[wary finch]

I have rarely any of those at all

but if they go in the bin, I don't want non starred stuff in my garden beside the initial seeds ofc.

[craggy zenith]

only problem is for me to cook with starred ingredients when i dont have starred forarging stuff

[wary finch]

you don't need those when you select use star quality, it will take non-star as well, if no star version is available.

[craggy zenith]

oooh!

life saver lys! 1000 thanksfor your help ❤️

[wary finch]

no worries, we help each other out and progress cooperatively.

[craggy zenith]

you help more 😄 a real gem

[wary finch]

one of the reasons I became an aussie in 2020 -the general australian spirit of mateship, we help each other out, it is not a cut throat society, we care for each other.

[floral talon]

aussies originated from convicted criminals i swear the justice system back then must have somehow only convicted innocents

[wary finch]

just a small amount were actually convicts, the vast majority came during the gold rush start of the 19th century and ofc as well in the first half of the 20th century after 2 world wars, hyperinflation, world economic crisis followed by depression made australia interesting to build a new future. Otherwise during the victorian area quite a lot from England came via a program, offering the fare to australia for 1 pound, but without a return ticket ... quite a lot took that offer.

Due to the gold rush in the 19th century, most of the large mansions and houses are either victorian style of georgian style, I like these styles a lot

Australia is officially just 236 years old, but we should not forget, that it has been inhabited by humans since about 65,000 years.

[floral talon]

well mostly

[floral talon]

ic so diverce

[wary finch]

about every 3rd citizen was not born in australia, we have people from all over the world here.

[civic ether]

Is the lettuce just a one time thing? I can't make more seeds?

[floral talon]

yes i mean dingding correct

[civic ether]

What's the point then? Hahah can I make anything special with it? Or just eat/sell

[floral talon]

ud better hold on to it just in case is my advice or eat/sell its relatively high value and lots of focus for a veggie although jarred stuff is already superior to it for food

[clear kindle]

odds are, that the update tomorrow will actually do something with the lettuce (i think they said something about it at least)

[twilit inlet]

I accidently sold my lettuce seeds lol

[frigid forum]

I was thinking the same thing about the lettuce. I believe they played a teaser with the lettuce. I mean we have the whole lettuce soup dialogue and the whole bit. It makes sense to eventually introduce it. I already grew my lettuce to crops and safe storaged them so I could crank seeds if their demands for unlocking it is unreal.

[harsh storm]

I’ve got a question are there pink Hydrangeas seeds in the game that we can plant?

[craggy zenith]

there are blue and mixed imo

[wary finch]

dev post said, that the lettuce got out a bit early, guess they didn't intend to include it already before the next patch

[slow flame]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-CrCbTCbBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-TBBCbBBCrCbT-AAAAAAAAA-TCbCrBBCbBBT-AAAAAAAAA-BBTBBCbTCbCr-AAAAAAAAA

Can anyone tell me if this is a good layout for farming gold? All seeds are star quality and I will make everything become seeds to sell

[brazen patio]

Best seeds to sell price value?

[floral talon]

Highest value is apples but ur better of turning those into jams

[floral talon]

No its gold output isnt on the high end and u have to weed and lots of harvesting times
However this is a great setup that needs weeding to get cake ingredients and cake making does make money so use that if u do cakepartys only id say

[wary finch]

the garden layout is ok, but you should preserve everything instead of seeding.

[slow flame]

I don't know how these cakepartys work, and my cooking level is low, I don't usually cook and I only use pickled tomatoes to gain focus

[slow flame]

I thought seeds were always worth more, but thanks for letting me know

[wary finch]

@slow flamehave a look at this analysis, it comes with a video to explain it - both made by Aqajj -spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841 - video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

your layout is made for cooking - cake parties and stuffed cabbage rolls as focus food (even there are no carrots in that layout).

[slow flame]

It's all very confusing 🥲 I just wanted a layout to make a little more money

[floral talon]

Dont worry we will teach u its just gonna take a while and i cant send layouts for just money rn since at work

[slow flame]

In this game, communication is very important, in addition to playing with friends, but I play with an average of 120 ping because there are no servers in my region, and it is very rare to find people who speak my language, so I play more solo

The money farm is just for buying things in the city hall and make well-decorated plots

[viral halo]

Hi all!! Is there a way to buy mixed hydrangea seeds and did they ever add the pink ones?

[slow flame]

I'm not sure, but you can see Auni's store. He sells flowers for medals, so maybe it's available in his store

[viral halo]

They weren't prior to the update today. Maybe they'll add it in? 😊

[slow flame]

It is quite possible

[wary finch]

ping 120, lol, australia to europe 360ms, to north america 240ms, 120 is kind of a dream ping for us.

[slow flame]

I imagine it is. I think developers should take a break from scheduled content in favor of working on the servers and providing more stability for players

[wary finch]

it is with every game like this, it is just the distance and routing which decides about it. Maybe Elon Musks skynet is faster, don't know about that or when it will be available here.

[frigid forum]

I can't tell you on the pink hydrangeas, but I think Auni only sells the blue ones in his guild store...the ones you get from the duskwing butterfly. If you have the mixed ones, water them every chance you get. Once they mature, you can collect seeds. The few they gave us during the bug event is turning into a decent amount for me...because I water 3 and eventually 3 seeds come out, then watering the 6 eventually makes 6 more seeds and then those 12 make 24, and so on. Like everything with this game, it seems like a matter of time, patience and grind.

[viral halo]

That's what I've been doing. I was just hoping they added a way to buy them. Maybe in this update!

[frigid forum]

I'm hoping so. I'm hoping they'll alleviate some of the imbalancing issues that RNG does. I'm frustrated with the vault bundles but I feel like I might be one of the lucky ones despite being so fed up with it. So many people have been going months trying to find things like gems and epic creatures

[wary finch]

@slow flamewhen you look at the globe from our perspective, you know why the ping is that high, those continents are not even on the same side of the globe with us

[trim plover]

Hello! Is there any crops buff chart of sorts I can access?

Like which crops gives what buffs ~ etc.

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/ the layout designer should answer lamost all questions

[clear kindle]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Crops

[trim plover]

ohhhh this is so useful

[trim plover]

thanks!

[floral talon]

if ur a beginner i can give u an instant crash course about everything farming it only takes a few minutes

[trim plover]

Please! If that wont bother you too much. I'm only 20 hours in

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb this is my example layout that shows how you can chain crops buffs and it has some pattrerns for beginners

play around wiht the layuout planner to see what each buff does abit

extra info beginners still need cotton and they actually benefit from quality up buff

at higher levels u arleady have star seeds so more star produce chance and levels increase the chance to so its almost 100% at that point ayways

go tell us when ur at the shoudl i ditch this or that into the seed collector or jarmaker crafter XD

[trim plover]

thank you so much! ❤️

[floral talon]

yeay jsut toying around with that thing is what htought me everything
the planner itself is already kinda fun feels like a fun lilttle puzzling minigame

[slow flame]

I only said that in the sense that I think that only having European and North American servers is a problem for the game, there should be as many servers as necessary for everyone to play without lag problems

[lucid furnace]

There are SEA servers if memory serves runs off to check blogs

[frail escarp]

Yeah the Asia Pacific server located in Tokyo, so it's kinda nearly almost off Australia's side of the globe still

[lucid furnace]

Ah there we go ..
They started off with US only
0.166.0 First Beta Patch - Aug 2023
0.171.0 added Europe servers (https://palia.com/news/patch-171) - Oct 2023
0.174.0 added Asia servers (https://palia.com/news/patch-174) - Dec 2023

Just give them time .. as with the Asia blog We continue with our goal of bringing Palia to as many players all around the world as possible. Welcome home!

[frail escarp]

Oceania Server 🙏

[lucid furnace]

And of course the recent .. changes .. may have delayed things, especially if cashflow is affected - servers aren't free after all

[floral talon]

but on the bright side new sealand and auistralia will survive a nuclear war cuz htey so far away from everything XD

[hollow tide]

Hi, I want to ask a question. after reaching level 25 of farming I started collecting only star vegetables, I want to know what happens after level 25 of the other skills?

[floral talon]

nothign as far as we know let me know if u find out that it does something

[verbal pike]

Hi everyone, what is your opinion on the most optimal way after harvesting. We have normal crop, starred crop then we have option to sell, make seed and make jam/pickle. I'm new to the game so a bit confused at what I should do

[floral talon]

u make ur own seeds (unles u get every farm tick available in or something and do bokchois then u buy seeds) so yeay normal poeple make ur own seeds and might aswell go for star ones at lower level its more star proiduce is more value produced at hgiher levels u cant get normal ones anymore anyways (besdies form zeki but then ur weird)

[floral talon]

u keep som eportion to make ur own seeds then wether u turn stuff into sheets(cotton only) jars seeds or cooking(cooking is only self use) depends a little on the crop

if u somehow produce so stupidly much that ur crafters cannot keep up then u sell unprocessed after a small stockpile

[fiery grotto]

hi which one layout for prepairing to cake partys are good

[verbal pike]

thanks so much

[floral talon]

do u start the recipe or do u add apples to it?

[fiery grotto]

ehh idk i never started it newbie on game, wanna quality apples i guess

[floral talon]

afk or only water retain? (water retain/harvest boost is assumed)

[fiery grotto]

afk would be good dont have much time per day :<

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HBkPPC.HCbCbBkCr-AAAAAAAAA-PCbCr.HBkC.HBkCrCbP-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkCrPC.HPCr.HBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CrCBkCbP.HCbBkCCr.H
should be the right link is the layout i made only decent apple one for afk thats not consuming a stupid amount of fertilsier if u need more apples in alayout it will come at a hefty fertilsier cost

mh unles i use hte cheat of no weeds growing but htat costs ya a soil)

[clear kindle]

love this style of garden. just plant and go no need to do anything with it

[wary finch]

on the not so bright side, most australians live in just 5 metropolis on the continent, it takes just a handful of warheads to kill us.

[floral talon]

u do have to keep track of when to harvest which is why i made it simpler by chosing crops which mostly line up

[floral talon]

no warheads are aimed there anyways

[clear kindle]

unless you're me and only harvest the apples

[long loom]

hello, is there all crops setup? I'm new to this game so i dont know where to place them yet

[floral talon]

on such a setup u only need water retain and harvest boost plants and let the other crops weed proof the apples by catching max amount of weeds

[clear kindle]

i tried that, had the 9 weeds and i think it broke my apples as they weren't growing

[floral talon]

uhm i do not do those myself but others do evyerthing gardens of mall setups or whatever they are called arent my hting i just stockpile a few crops and then go for simpler ones

[floral talon]

yeay why i wont use that XD to glitchy

[long loom]

ohh okay thank you

[floral talon]

most plants are rarely needed anywyas so u can go for slightly less everything and only what ur actually need a constant flow of but it depends on what ur going for

[long loom]

Okay. I think ill collect 10 pcs each for quests/cooking then check what is profitable to sell afterwards

[floral talon]

and u definitly have to keep some spares of each seeds so u dont get deadlocked out of a plant that isnt buyable XD

[long loom]

wait there is something like that? 😯

[floral talon]

and u definitly have to keep some spares of each seeds so u dont get deadlocked out of a plant that isnt buyable XD
^is not the case on everything gardens though then u only need enough for one reseed

[long loom]

im like new new lmao i dont know what's happening most of the time, im just doing my quests

[floral talon]

cant buy apples and blueberrys and u probs want to use star seeds and normal zeki seeds are quiet pricy so make sure to have some spares incase u forget to make more seeds

[frail escarp]

I am a mild hoarder that keeps like 30 of each seed just cause

[floral talon]

i thought 9 apples 91 blueberrys/spicypeppers and 81 of hte 1 tile ones was enough i was wrong

[long loom]

how many seed collector do i need for that? i have one now

[floral talon]

oh nul get more just make sure u got one of those for every amount of produce that u need processing into seeds till it overflows

[long loom]

I'm doing that star quality seeds in my seed collector, before i plant. I bought the remaining soil garden plots. 9x9

[long loom]

okay, i will do that. thank you

[floral talon]

ul slowly getr more crafter permits so take it ez for now and also some crops are better turned into the jar maker(outside of seeds for reseeding)

[long loom]

I think i have the apple seed now but not sure about blueberry yet

[dark moss]

Right now I have two but most of the people I have talked to have 3

[floral talon]

u can get 9 soils tops though

[dark moss]

I mean seed collectors my bad

[long loom]

i will note this, thank you for the advice

[floral talon]

u can place 30 tops and for some that aint enuff

[craggy zenith]

I hope servers are coming up soon. They get in the way with my farming schedule.

[wary finch]

my 5th character's pre-25 nursery will be converted to a pre-25 5 apple tree everything garden soon. Not that I would want an everything garden at all, but it turned out to be the best transition until level 25 with still lots of cotton in it. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-CbTPCoBBCoBB-AAAAAAAAA-CoCoASpSpASpSpA-AAWAATAAR-AAAAAAAAA-CrAACoAACoAA-ABBABBACoCo-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpCoSpSpCoCBkO

[dark moss]

I get that, I was just stating that most of the people that I talk to have had around 3, between doing other tasks and logging off the game for real life commitments it works for me 🤷🏻‍♀️ though I do see the advantage to having more if gardening is your area of focus

[wary finch]

s6 has heard you (just reminds me of a similar line in Avatar 1, "Ewa has heard you")

[craggy zenith]

800 Palians ahead of me 😄

[floral talon]

tom e it syas still offline servers are

[twilit inlet]

it said that for me too but still let me log in

last patch that message stayed there for 3 days hahaha

[frail escarp]

any miniscule chance that the lettuce got a hidden patch?

[left parcel]

Hi there, is it just me or can you not make star seeds from star spicy peppers?

[floral talon]

Just u

[left parcel]

I've put at least three sets of starred spicy peppers in my seed collector and I only get regular seeds back

[floral talon]

was the previous batch running unstarred?

theres also a hcance of it giving unstarred ones but that usually doesnt happen and is still super annoying

[left parcel]

No, i only ever put starred crops into the seed collector unless I don't have any

[primal sage]

lys, should i switched to this garden instead of the 4 apple tree & cotton focused one from your previous layout?

not sure if you rmb but i have all crafting license unlocked and i think im lvl 18 gardening

[gaunt cave]

Question, the well you can buy for medallions from Badruu. Can you use it or is it decor only?

[wary finch]

you will be lvl 25 soon, just stick with it, at 25 you can run any garden you like, because you don't need quality boost anymore

I'll show you something for level 25+, this is the bare bone layout for 100% water retain, the large empty spots is where 5 apple trees go, but they are all independent and you can use any of these spaces to farm something else there. then there are a few empty patches as well, which can be freely used for whatever - https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-NPTPBBCbBB-NNNNNNNNN-NNNTNNPNN-NPTNBBNBB-TNNCbNNNNN-NBBNBBNPCb-NNNNNNNNN-BBNBBNCbTN-NNNNNTNNP

so based on this you can run any kind of garden you like.

[low wharf]

I have a couple question. What plants do I sell? How much should I save to make into seeds? Are there any recommended layouts?

[wary finch]

well, 2 more free spots possible on the left side https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-NPTNBBNBB-NNNNNNNNN-NNNTNNPNN-NPTNBBNBB-TNNCbNNNNN-NBBNBBNPCb-NNNNNNNNN-BBNBBNCbTN-NNNNNTNNP

so it has 6 free spots in case of 5 apples put in those slots.

[wary finch]

I keep at least as many seeds as I would need for 2 replants of the garden, so if there are 27 cotton for example in a cotton garden, I'd keep 54, but if there are just 8 then just 16 seeds.

[low wharf]

What about the rest? Sell?

[wary finch]

process them if you can - preserving or seeding and then sell them

have a look at this spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

[low wharf]

That's some high level stuff!

[wary finch]

well, otherwise sell when you need money to do something meaningful with it. Just selling raw without to have a good reason for it is wasting possible profits.

[daring jetty]

yes, you can refill your watering can with it

[west crown]

To all the people who play with sound on: In the newest update do you crops make the "shimmering" noise to let you know they're ready to harvest? Mine are no longer doing that.

[floral talon]

only star crops are suppsoed to do that in the first place cuz hte game thought they were starred foragables

[west crown]

All of my crops are starred crops.

So not only did they not fix any of the bugs I care about; they've broken something I care a lot about.

[floral talon]

i mean im super glad they fixced it the noise pollution was annoying

[west crown]

They could make it so that it's an option. They could even disable it by default; I'd turn it back on.

[floral talon]

its sound effect aside how come u cant insta tell whats harvestable?

[floral talon]

lv 38 gardening reached only star produce exist now for me

[tribal geyser]

does anyone have low energy layouts that also make okayish money?

[wary finch]

I liked the audible clue about that something in your garden is still harvestable, which you missed.

But in the past it could be heard as well when switching from another housing plot back to the default one, even nothing in that garden was still harvestable

[frail escarp]

This is a perfect opportunity to further test the formula's accuracy, let me know if you encounter any non-star harvests 🫡

[craggy zenith]

Halp, what do I have to feed the worms to get QualityUp Fertiliser? I looked at the wiki, but all I get is HarvestBoost. 😦 I am running low now.

[blazing heart]

Feed them something sweet, it will do the trick

You can use cake, jam, sweet leaf etc

[craggy zenith]

Thanks, love!

[primal junco]

I think the courtyard is perfect for housing
all the fields.
The good smell of vegetables
wafts from the house.

[willow ridge]

whats a good endgame type of plot, all these spreadsheets are like another language for me, i dont understand what im looking at

[half vortex]

this is the one I'm using, if you are concerned about having all of the crops. if not I imagine one could put something together that is mainly water retention and weed prevention for minimal upkeep

ugh forgot to put the link

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbPORWCTSpSp-WCrWTPTCoCbCo-OPCbCWRBkCbT-PSpSpRPTPBkCb-AAAAAAAAA-CbBkPTPRBBP-TCbBkRCrCCbPO-CoCbCoTPTCrWCr-BBTCCrROPCb

[half vortex]

I would say it depends on your goals? if you're just looking to make money, or you want a bit of everything for cooking, or whatever

[willow ridge]

i wanna make money, ive been doing too many cake parties and its hurting me physically

so im trying to find something else I can do

[half vortex]

hmm tbh I don't know much about money focus but I make decent money with mine linked above if I process everything to sell (make preserves with some things, turn the others into seeds)

but I also have a ton of preserve and seed makers so that I can give each one a single crop type

[willow ridge]

I have a lot of machines so thats ok

[half vortex]

I figured out which to preserve and which to seed using this chart I found on reddit that compares the sell price of processed vs unprocessed crops

the money is slower because you have to wait for everything to process but it's pretty decent. I'm sure if you optimized your garden for the most profitable crops you could make more money yet.

[wary finch]

you are better off crafting it from bugs, meat and sundrop lilies.

[stray dagger]

decide your desired apple and blueberry plants and build around that. my sweet spot was 2 and 6 with two blueberries swapped out for peppers. its enough for solid jamming but not so much that you cant have water and weed up on basically everything. let me know if you want the layout. I harvest each crop all at once then replant before the next veg with two sets of reseed on standby in case I ever miss a replenish

only enough room for one of either rice wheat or cotton. that I sometimes swap out

[wary finch]

so, day 6 for my new character - I couldn't put in that many ticks yesterday, so I'm slightly behind schedule and just 18 crafters are unlocked yet. I run currently 10 jars, 6 seeders, a sawmill and a loom. So getting the rest of crafters unlocked can be done in 10-11 days, so I have still 4-5 days leeway to achieve my goal. I got the 100k earned achievement on day 5, so I did well enough so far. Day 6 is now transitioning to my 5 apple tree pre-25 everything garden layout - 3 trees are up already, the other 2 will follow shortly https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-CbTPCoBBCoBB-AAAAAAAAA-CoCoASpSpASpSpA-AAWAATAAR-AAAAAAAAA-CrAACoAACoAA-ABBABBACoCo-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpCoSpSpCoCBkO

it has still a strong cotton focus, because once I will have reached level 25, my production garden won't have any peppers or cotton anymore, so I need to stock up on both now.

that pre-25 garden is not a bad garden, but I will still have to go to a real production garden later on, because this one can just support 27.3 jars with non-stop production, so I would never be able to run 24 jars non-stop with this kind of garden, because it would require 21 ticks per day.

Well, the lazy version of the production garden is not really good as well, can support 33 jars, so running 24 jars would require 17-18 ticks - I guess I will have to use one of my high yield hands-on gardens (as in can support 41.17 jars, that is a real garden), if I really want to put in less ticks. Being lazy is expensive.

[fading island]

Do you happen to have a particularly high yield layout aimed at chili dumplings?

[floral talon]

what is needed for chili dumplings?

[fading island]

1x rice, 1x wheat, 1x hot pepper, 1x any

[floral talon]

is any also corn?

[fading island]

yup. Any veg

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Sp.HSp.HSpSp.HSp.HSpSpSpSp-SpRSpSpWSpSpRSp-SpSp.HSp.HSpSp.HSp.HSpSpSp-SpSpSpCrWCrSpSpSp-SpWSpWRWSpWSp-SpSpSpCrWCrSpSpSp-SpSpSpSp.HSp.HSpSp.HSp.HSp-SpRSpSpWSpSpRSp-SpSpSpSpSp.HSp.HSpSp.HSp.H something like this might work then

its just a 5min draft but u cant get higher yield then th is to my knowledge

[fading island]

That might work. Then just harvest boost the corner plants? I do need them to be star quality too, but can do ferts for that

[floral talon]

star quality does help alot cuz same effort to cook better chance at 50% better food

dont forget what i brought ya is just a 5min draft but i dont know if u want water retain or something at least its my max spicypeppers design that doesnt require stupidlymuch fertiliser (this design also sortof works on blueberrys or mixing those two hehe though it lacks waterretain or weedblock

[fading island]

I apprecaite it

[unborn sphinx]

hey! how many tomato plants do an apple tree need to have the effect of the tomatoes?

[fading island]

They need three water retention, it doesn't have to all be tomatoes.

[unborn sphinx]

thank you! ❤️

[floral talon]

apples need 3 water retention plants bordered to them or more to get that effect
3 not apple tiles harvest boost plants bordering em for harvest boost
rest is same as water retain but for hteir respective buff

[fading island]

For the fertilizers, I would need 4 (squares) x 15 (days) x 4 (cornered hot peppers) = 240. Does that sound right?

[floral talon]

yeay on that layout 16 per day so 16x15 is a number

[fading island]

thanks. I put off learning gardening, so now I'm trying to slowly absorb some more info

[floral talon]

also as a rule of thumb anything costing more then 16 fert per day is probs a bad layout but yeay 2x2 plants are hard to fit in 3x3

[fading island]

fert is free because of glow worms tho

[floral talon]

just play aorund wiht the layout planner then its super ez look what each mechanics does a little

[floral talon]

effort of applying and u could have just sold the fert for example but minmax what you want to minmax

[wary finch]

who needs 36 peppers per hour, that is what this layout is getting you

[floral talon]

u run it once then u got like 500+ peppers for a while
but yes the two of us have different design philosophies

[fading island]

Who doesn't?

[fading island]

I have no focus foods.

[wary finch]

ok, if that is what you want, I leave it at that.

[fading island]

I have no focus foods. I like making chili oil dumplings with friends.

[floral talon]

i mean if u want a different layout be very very specific with what u ask of me cuz im like a genie who gives u precisily what u ask

[fading island]

Nope, its fine. I'd love to get a few hundred chili oil dumplings :3

[floral talon]

u get enough peppers for 1728 of em im afraid lmao

[fading island]

[slow flame]

what are the best seeds to grow for money ?

[floral talon]

that depends on ur processing

[slow flame]

wdym? im pretty new still

[floral talon]

if u turn it into seeds with the seed collector or jar it how many crafdters u got to jar or seed hjow manmy growth ticks u can do in a day and then theres also do u want to manually water do you want to weed do you want the garden more afk what do you do with the produce turn it into foodstuffs or not

[floral talon]

just ell me your level and if theres a specifci crop u need and how much u want to tryhard (then il grab the best layout for you)

[slow flame]

i don’t mind about processing time, nor weeding really, just something to help boost my money early game

im level 5!^

[floral talon]

ic yeay then u definitly need one of the beginner layouts with full harvest boost cotton to quality up and get ur cotton and water retain since ur watering can is slow (and crops that dont take to long to process since u got veryu few crafters)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb this is an example layout containing lots of example patterns to make ur own layout

[slow flame]

thank you :3

[floral talon]

feel free to play around alot with the layout planner to figure out most of the farming mechanics
(ul also discover with the crop processing buttons what makes most money processing it into aside from cooking with it)

[wise hamlet]

Hey, how many plots can you get to grow crops?

[floral talon]

9 soils tops unels u somehow manage to cheat getting more XD

[wise hamlet]

OH MY GOD WHY UNEVEN

[floral talon]

to make the puzzling of layout more puzzly i assume
(or they just really hate poeple with ocd)

[wise hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-not-gif-25347564

[merry sonnet]

well u can make a square with a 3x3 layout

[vocal egret]

Hello my friends! I was directed here to find the answer/solution to my question.
I am having troulbe placing an apple tree here:

It is tilled. There is a visual glitch. The game still recognizes those middle tiles as tilled squares. Here is proof:

It is actually not recognizing the upper left two plots. This is what it shows when I try to place an apple seed there:

Help? 😦

[vocal canopy]

it isnt tilled properly

all the images uve sent show patches of untilled area

[echo rain]

one of your dirt plots is slightly unaligned

[vocal egret]

Sooo... I made a small tantrum and started dismantling my garden and disconnected all the plots. Flung them into weird corners. Reconnected it... Now it works... wth 😦
@echo rain your theory was likely correct haha

[echo rain]

lol i probs would have done the same

[wary finch]

yeah, the plot with the not highlighting tiles was not aligned correctly, marginally shifted upwards. Something like that can happen, when auto-grid align is deactivated.

[craggy zenith]

As a Palian economic genius, what to do with common fish? 😄

[wary finch]

grill it as well for a chance to get 50% more value and sell them (or keep them for now, and drop them in the farm, when you will be offline for several hours -better less good feed in it than nothing at all),,

[craggy zenith]

worm farm you mean right?

[wary finch]

yes

[craggy zenith]

thank you so much ❤️

[wary finch]

start of day 7, pre-25 everything garden has 5 apple trees now, but with 2 non-star quality trees and the initial one not yet in the final location. Will likely take all day to create those replant seeds, so this will be a low income day, but the garden will be in full production starting with day 8. I decided to go for this pre-25 garden https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-CbTPCoBBCoBB-AAAAAAAAA-CoCoASpSpASpSpA-AAWAATAAR-AAAAAAAAA-CrAACoAACoAA-ABBABBACoCo-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpCoSpSpCoCBkO

not much to expect from this garden, with 14 ticks it can support 16 jars and that's it - at best an interim garden until level 25. But it can easily provide the funding to unlock all crafters, Ok, one of the reasons that it isn't that high on the income side, is that it has still a strong cotton focus to create fabric (and to avoid having to quality boost the apple trees).

Everything is still on "go" for achieving the goal within 21 days, but it is questionable, if I will get the 1 million earned until then, will be very near to it, but eventually fail to actually get it in time.

[wary finch]

hm, that garden is easily convertible at level 25 to a lazy production garden though, still not that high on the income side, but it can be run with much less time investment like this https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-Cb.HTPTBBCrBB-AAAAAAAAA-TPABBABBA-AAPAATAACr-AAAAAAAAA-CbAATAAPAA-ABBABBAPCb-AAAAAAAAA-PBBCbBBCrW.HpCr.Hp to run it with 24 jars would require 17-18 ticks though, with 16 jars it's just 12 ticks.

[half vortex]

is there a weed block fertilizer?

[wary finch]

yes you can buy it from zeki's shop.

[half vortex]

cool I couldn't recall

thanks!

[visual drum]

i want to try this, but struggle to figure out hon much fertilizer i should put down?

[acoustic current]

I just put one in every crob
Put im no expert tbh

[visual drum]

Thanks!! i try it, so thankful for this 😄

[acoustic current]

No prob bob

[keen dome]

Why can't we put fish in the worm farms?

Actually someone somewhere else said grill them first

🙂

[twin oasis]

Fishing is the best money early game. A Goldfish from your home pond, no star = $450 gold

[floral talon]

Dont sell rare/epics so casually

[twin oasis]

True; but fishing without bait required, with beginner rod, it's possible to make good money (early play means not much room in storage or inventory, remember?)

I used to cook all the more regular fish, and sell straight from my plot.

(Cook on campfire)

[wary finch]

that must be the old price, because when I grill 2 giant goldfish the result is 2440/3660g, so the fish is actually worth 1220g. Some fish got really remarkable price increases with the economy patch.

[twin oasis]

I don't recommend cooking goldfish normally lol. But yes, prices on fish have gone right up.

[wary finch]

why not? grilled giant gold fish in it's starred version gets you 73 glow worms and 368 fertilizer.

it is a rare fish, that is true, but if you fish on a regular schedule, you will catch giant gold fish equally regular and it is for you just another high value fish to be grilled like all the others as well.

so we have fish and we have potatoes, so why don't we have fish & chips?

[sleek delta]

is it Possible that the Tomatoes have Bugs? because i seed they some days ago and still can gather they without they Deplenished and need to be seed again...need only Watering they....😅

[twin oasis]

Fried trout or Catfish are the closest...:-)

[blazing heart]

Tomato can be harvested 2-3 times iirc

[sleek delta]

in the Meantime i harvested it more then 5 - 7 Times from each of my Tomatoes xD

[verbal compass]

Just scrolled back but I’m having trouble finding my answer…

I’m level 22 and unsure what the best approach is to make coin. I can tend to the garden pretty regularly throughout my day, so input isn’t too much of a worry at this point.

So far I have had one or two apple trees going, a couple of blueberries (which get preserved), then a mix of tomatoes (to be sold) or cotton (to turn into seeds) along with a few other veg to get my stocks up.

I’m thinking I will change to 3 x apples and then predominantly tomatoes? Any advice would be super appreciated

[blazing heart]

Oof it could be a bug then 😅

[sleek delta]

yeah thats why i wondered maybe....because i only seed Tomatoes in my Garden (all 81 Slots) some special effect or so its happen

but so long i can Produce good Money with it, its not my Problem xD

so i spare Money for new Seeds and Produce with each Harvest around 2 - 3k 🙂

need anyway High Amount of Money for Bigger Backpack and Arrow Backpack 🙂

[blazing heart]

Well yeah it save times too that you don’t need to wait for new seed 😅

[sleek delta]

yeah only need to Watering it 🙂

tbh i dont know why this Bug its happening (Maybe because i plant only Tomatoes or maybe its have another Reason) im not Sure but need to say its useful Bug xD

27k now i have enough Money for my Backpack 🙂

The Biggest one cost only 25k....

but im sure...if S6 later know this Bug / Glitch they gonna Fix it for sure

because its gonna make the Game then to Easy and other Players can Finish Game faster 🙂

and that they dont want for sure

OK was Joy to early....need to seed new ones xD

after 10 Times Harvest.... i think they raise the Durability of the Tomatoes 🤔

[wary finch]

which won't hinder me to create a 7th character after this one and try to get up to speed in just 14 days, as in all crafters unlocked and eventually even the 1 million earned achievement.

possibly with a brute force layout at first - well, will be interesting to do.

[sleek delta]

Yeah, Good Luck with it 😄

[wary finch]

it's my 7th day and I have 20 crafters unlocked already, it can be done.

[sleek delta]

i trust you that you can do it 😄

[wary finch]

In my mind it is not a question of if, but just how to, I wonder what the least amount of days might be to get there.

it cannot really be much less than 14 days, because this requires already an average income of 71.5k per day and this is not possible within the first few days -so yeah, challenging.

[sleek delta]

Its not important if you be success, its more important that you try it 🙂

[wary finch]

I stick with Yoda - do or do not, there is no try.

requires possibly 17-18 ticks and pulling out fish for 2000 in every tick, then it can be done.

fishing would provide 490k, the rest then from farming, that's not a problem.

[stable ginkgo]

Have you logged on with an alt account yet Lys to get the bonus chance of 2x loot and give yourself that extra little bump in revenue?

[wary finch]

no, I'm not cheating, every character is on it's own.

it is not a problem, I made a quick calculation, it can be done with less than 17 ticks even.

but I will try one of your brute force gardens, your spreadsheet is a big help with that.

to get it done quicker might require to not focus on apples though, getting apples up to speed takes quite some time which can be avoided imo.

[wary finch]

this one could be up and running with 16 jars within 4 days at 15 ticks, providing roughly 450k within the following 10 days, 100k could be done within the first 4 days, leaving 450k for fishing, with 14x15 ticks, so per tick fish has to be caught worth 2134g -this is doable. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-WBBCoBBSpSpSp-CrBBCoBBSpCrSp-CrBBCoBBSpCrSp-CrBBCoBBSpCrSp-NNNNNNSpCoCr-SpSpSpCoBBCrBB-SpCoSpCrBBCoBB-SpCoSpCrBBCoBB-SpCoSpCrBBCoBB-SpBBCrBBNNN

result: all crafters unlocked and 1 million earned in 14 days.

[twilit inlet]

I caught 6 giant goldfish in pond in one day. Its a rare fish but it def drops more than other rares

[wary finch]

it has a sweet spot, if you get that,you can fish several of them in a row.

and it is worth a lot.

it is just a narrow window of about 30 ingame minutes, you get either several of those or a bunch of wetlogged chests.

3.30am, 5.30am, 6.30am were those where I had this quite often.

[wary finch]

maybe in september I might do that, it is kind of a grind, so not really in the mood to do it right after my current speed run.

August my parents will be here for a month - and it will cost me every effort to convince them, not to return to europe.

[stark river]

What type of mushrooms can I grow? I already have cave cap just wondering if I’m missing one

[nocturne cloak]

I think it's just the cave cap that's a growable mushroom yeee - though the Datura Flower and Baharricennia flower look mushroom-ish to me

Or like coral of sorts

[wary finch]

yeah, a lot like tropical bug catchers

funnel shaped, smell like rotten meat, inside is slippery and at the bottom bugs are consumed then

[floral talon]

... wth

[wary finch]

but I didn't find the pattern yet, when it is where -but when you hit that,you get either the top tier fish several times in a row or wetlogged chests.

[floral talon]

u sure its the spot cuz im also having some sneaky suspicions fishing isnt random managed to get a 9/10 streak on correctly predicting my catches alot of times

[wary finch]

I mean a timely window of about 30 ingame minutes, not a location.

[floral talon]

that could also make sense (and then it turns out we can aaccurately predict actual rng lmao)

[wary finch]

I guess it isn't totally random but has randomized patterns, just like the motion of the fish can be predicted and you can fish by muscle memory if you have caught a fish often enough (which feels like the fish would follow your motion and not the other way round, but it is just adaption to the motion pattern).

[hollow mauve]

I know grilled fish is for glow worms, but I still have no idea what to give regular worms?

[wary finch]

the same

[hollow mauve]

Ah Okies. Ty. I used the old system and am still adapting to changes.

[wary finch]

because grilled fish if you use quality fish, has a very high value and all the formula are based on the value of the foodstuff

what has changed though, there is no profit in it,if you are just selling those worms and fertilizer. The profit comes now from actually fishing with those worms.

[hollow mauve]

I am not really selling many worms at the moment but am fishing more because of hotpot

[wary finch]

an example, star grade grilled giant gold fish, value 3660g, but if you sell both worms and fertilizer they have a value of 3665g

so if you don't use those worms or the fertilizer, don't do it.

[hollow mauve]

Ok, so not a huge different there at least

Ty!

[wary finch]

it is basically a conversion of foodstuff into worms and fertilizer.

[hollow mauve]

Ahhhhh Okies. Too much math for me 😅.

[wary finch]

if you like fishing the changes are great, because you can create a whole lot of worms with your quality grilled fish and can fish as much as you want - but the profit comes from fishing, not from worm farming.

and a single worm farm is enough to do that as well

that star grade grilled giant goldfish gets you 73 glow worms and 368 fertilizer for example. you never before could get so many worms in a single hour with a single worm farm.

[pastel acorn]

whats the best way to make money off apples? should i like sell them as is, make em into jame or something else?

[clear kindle]

if you've got the time (overnight or going to be away from the game a long time), jam them. if you need quick cash just sell as is but don't recommend doing that often as you do get more for the jam

[pastel acorn]

i see, tyy ty

[raven summit]

Is there a way to remove a planted seed?

[clear kindle]

not sure what it is on pc, but switch is holding the x button while holding the hoe over the crop you want to remove. you don't get the seed/plant back

[raven summit]

cool

[nocturne cloak]

For PC you'd hold right-click :D

[raven summit]

thanks

[gentle badge]

Does anyone know if I can untill my garden? I've removed all my planted veggies and want to pick up the plots so I can move them to a different plot but they are tilled and won't let me. I've waited since yesterday (irl time lol) so I'm confused how long it takes

someone said it should untill on its own within 1-2 palia days but it's been wayy more than that

[gray ridge]

you can use the secondary action on the Hoe (opposite button used to click to till soil) so for PC instead of left clicking (primary button) to till -- right click instead.
if you're on switch...then it's somewhat same process, just find opposite button

[gentle badge]

I've tried that but nothing happens :c

[clear kindle]

it takes 48 hours for the garden to untill, unless they changed it with updates and not tell anybody

[worthy relic]

How do we get Lettuce? I have 2 but cant make them in new seeds

[clear kindle]

it wasn't supposed to be released when it did, we have to wait for an update to get "full" access to them

[worthy relic]

ooooh!

[brazen patio]

What are the best things to sell if you are not able to be on the game constantly?

[wary finch]

crop what grows quickly in large amounts, then put them in jars and let them be processed while you are offline

bok choy for example

it grows in 3 hrs - so 21hrs/week are enough to have a steady influx of cash every day after the inital day required to process the first batch.

have a look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

this is the spreadsheet explained in that video https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

seeding bok choy makes more money than preserving it, but seeders can unfortunately sometimes stop at 30/2/1 and you would have to check on those seeders -whereas they are quickly preserved and jars don't have the same flaw as seeders have.

for your calculation - every jar can process produce value of 1800g per rl day (star quality produce) and generates 2700g. With non-starred produce these values are 1200/1800g.

example star quality bok choy, value 45g each - 1800/45 = 40 bok choy per jar and rl day.

[wary finch]

for example like this pre-lvl 25 https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo-CoBkTBkRBkTBkCo

with 3hrs playtime per day, you need 1 seeder and 4 jars for the bok choy, all the rest is bonus produce for you to do whatever with it - but that bok choy will get you a steady income stream of 6682g per day.

you can make fabric from cotton and put tomatoes in a jar as well if you like. and if you use corn instead of rice, you could put that in jars as well, but they don't grow in 3hrs.

well you need 4 jars, because 99 are to be processed and you can put just 30 in a jar, if you can check on your jars in the meantime, 3 would be enough or eventually even just 2 (sometimes). 9 bok choy go in the seeder, and there is where eventually the problem is, because if an additional seed is created, it could stop at 30/2/1, leaving you with just 32 star seeds instead of the required 36.

[arctic hollow]

Hi guys.. how to grow non star quality crops? I need non star crops for cooking

[clear kindle]

if you are above level 25 you only get star quality crops from star seeds, and if you are around level 38 or higher, even regular seeds will start giving you star seeds.

you can click the button that says to use quality ingredients when cooking, if you have things you don't want it to use, put them in the lock box

besides, using star crops in cooking supposedly has a higher chance of becoming star food, not guaranteed still, but higher

[floral talon]

The use starfood should be the default

[wary finch]

so, day 8 for my 6th character - 5 apple tree everything garden has run it's course, I have enough of everything in stock, now I'll shut it down and it's time for the pre-25 6 apple tree strip, which will push me from 16 to 24 jars and up to level 25 - I will again put a timely distance of 2hrs in between those apple harvests, in order to have apples every other day - this will be the layout still with a strong cotton focus https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-CoAACoAACoAA-ACr.QAACr.QAACr.QA-AACoAACoAACo-AAAAAAAAA-Cr.QAACr.QAACr.QAA-ACoAACoAACoA-AAB.QAAB.QAACr.Q-B.QAAB.QAACr.QAA-ASpSpASpSpACoCo.H

[fading island]

You can move it even if its fully planted.

[floral talon]

But what if u got an apple tree on multiple soils

[wary finch]

then you can't

[fading island]

I was able to pick mine up as a group, although I can't recall if I had an offset apple tree.

[wary finch]

hm, isn't there a new option for a group of plots?

[fading island]

If you want to pick up the whole garden and move it, you should be able to regardless of where things are planted.

If you want to pick up and reshape individual plots, well, I don't know.

[wary finch]

you cannot move individual plots if there is something on it, covering tiles on 2 different plots.

[muted obsidian]

hiii any one have decent gold gardening farm layout? thank you so muchh

[sleek delta]

Do the seeds also boost themselves or just the neighboring fields?

[floral talon]

O buffed X is not - is plant
XOX
O-O
XOX

[sleek delta]

and himself?

[floral talon]

sorry but did i write a - and O at hte same spot
they dont buff themselfs XD

but u can chain em all cleverly like the example i will show you
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
the harvest boost plants show how you can chain same buff plants

[sleek delta]

i have another idea 🙂

[floral talon]

are you friends with frozenking?

[sleek delta]

this is my Plan 🙂

[floral talon]

you have been taught most hteres to learn

[floral talon]

thats a horrible layout il hanbd u something better ok its not that bad but it misses out on alot that can be imroved

[sleek delta]

?

[floral talon]

way easier to plant and more in sync harvesting wiht the corn and coton and everything gets harvest buff

i meanm its still not water retain or weedblock but its more for dieharding one croptype
also it has way more cotton in it (2/3 instead of 50%)

[sleek delta]

i made this Layout because its have much Star Plant to sell (High Amount of Plants and High Quality) 🙂

My Layout i calling Chessboard Method 🙂

[floral talon]

use it when ur happy with that but i merely pointed out its inefficiencys

[sleek delta]

i see it after test it, already buy 100 x Cotton Seed and 100 x Wheat Seeds (only need to wait until my Field is empty to start with my Plans) 🙂

[wary finch]

I'm tinkering with this brute force bok choy garden layout https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Bk.HBkBkBkCrWBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBk.HBkBkBkCrBk.HBk.HBk-BkBkBk.HWCrBkBkBkBk.H-Bk.HBkBkBkCrWBk.HBkBk-BkBk.HBk.HCrBkBkBkBk.HBk.H-BkBkBkCrWCrBkBkBk-Bk.HBkCrBkBkWBk.HBkCr on paper it looks good, but it isn't really practical, would require 21 jars, 7 seeders, 1 worm farm, 1 utility crafter with 13 ticks - now if we assume that wheat is used for cooking, this is an income of 4361g per tick - yeah, not bad by numbers, but an awful lot of work. (this is level 25+ and all star seeds)

[restive shore]

I use this, but I hoard apples blueberries and peppers.

[brazen patio]

Thanks everyone this was really helpful

[wary finch]

did you calculate how many looms or seeders you need for this?

the bottleneck is always in the post harvest process

I have stocked up peppers and berries as well - but in the end I might do nothing with those at all, why? because I have mass amounts of jam and eat that for focus, lol.

[twilit inlet]

It will depend on how much they log in too. I do apple and blueberry heavy but I don't log in for enough harvests to cause a bottleneck with the preserve bins. I did add 3 more bins to my setup to spread them out more which means more jams in the mornings when I first log on.

[floral talon]

anyone know something fun to farm i kinda went through all of the layouts i had and got bored of em

[wary finch]

true, I look at it mostly for maximized profits with the least amount of ticks, this is a different perspective

it's not brute force bok choy, but you know that yourself, I guess.

I might still do it when I start my 7th character, because I need a million income within 14 days.

[floral talon]

i gues i can toy with hte cheaty weedblock method and go for super ez afk mode farming

[restive shore]

I had a friend come up with the above for me. I always have a crazy amount of blueberries, apples and peppers. I don’t jam them like I should.

I only have 4 seed things.

I had over 500 apples yesterday when I got on for the first time in months and joined and did multiple cake parties.

[wary finch]

this is an aspect I haven't explored yet, cake parties.

[restive shore]

They are addictive. I’m cooking level 680 something

[wary finch]

holy cow

[restive shore]

I no lifed cake parties last year when I played heavily

I am an apple psychopath haha

[floral talon]

i still havent even managed to join one XD

[restive shore]

I use to host them too. Maybe I’ll do a beginner friendly one. They are addictive when you start doing them.

[wary finch]

I operate mostly with just in time processing, so everything incoming is outgoing very quickly again.

it has it's downsides, because I can never have a longer break or my jars would run empty.

with 24 jars every hour in which they are empty means missing out on 2700g.

ok, it would not matter past a certain level, because money is piling up and there is the cap.

just in time is pretty effective with my apples every other hour strip (trees planted with a timely distance of 2hrs between them). With this garden it is pretty simple -24 apples coming in, then my jars get a layer of whatever and a layer of apples, 48 apples coming in 2 layers of apples, so there is rarely anything waiting for long until it will be processed.

[floral talon]

i got a feeling most arent during eu times

[wary finch]

I have this time zone problem all the time when playing with european friends - their evening 7pm-midnight is either 5am to 10am for me or like currently 3am to 8am.

3am to 8am is ok, I can go for a swim afterwards or do fitness and then breakfast at 9am, this is ok, but the other is interfering with my rl.

[twilit inlet]

I do the same thing with my apple trees so im always harvesting every day or every other day

[wary finch]

with 6 trees you have it every other day.

[twilit inlet]

also I love logging in, realize its 5 am and then trying to speed harvest, weed, replant and water

[floral talon]

but hten u have to harvest more often

[twilit inlet]

my trees have gotten a bit off schedule due to logging in too close to 6 am sometimes.

[wary finch]

yeah, but it goes well with just in time processing like I said before

[twilit inlet]

at least with trees you dont have to replant after each harvest or water with waterretain+ weed block fert

everytime i see my rice im like didnt i just harvest you???

[wary finch]

yeah and when you want to shut down that garden, once the first tree is gone, the others will follow within 10 hrs.

harvest is always 24 or 48 meanwhile, so plenty of time to craft the replant seeds.

[twilit inlet]

i always take the first few harvest and make seeds. that way i never run out or gotta wait on them. always 5 in my inventory, 1 for each tree

[floral talon]

why multy harvest plkants need less seeds stockpile

[wary finch]

yeah, I have as well twice the amount of seeds required for replant in stock.

like when 48 apples are incoming, I might seed 40 and run just 8 through the jar array, and push 32 other crops through it meanwhile.

it's pretty flexible, but requires permanent management.

keeps the chest inventory low, I have rarely more than 4000 items (since we can have worms now in the ammo pouch)

[twilit inlet]

i never said i stockpile. I keep exactly enough to replant each tree. 5 apple trees so I have 5 apple seeds on hand

[wary finch]

i keep twice the amount, in case I want to run 6 or 7 apple tree gardens.

[floral talon]

yeay but u do need that many XD and if u seed something and wanna redo it right away after harvest a onestep plant needs twice the max amount u wanna plant in one go

[twilit inlet]

i was only talking about apple tree seeds tho. not regular. I keep 30 of each star seed, the max stack. 15 tomato, 6 blueberry/pepper and 5 apple seeds. i have never once ran out of seeds or felt i had too many. i have never once been over 5k inventory despite playing for over a year now

I dont understand what you are saying lol... i dont stockpile but I always have enough

[wary finch]

ha,you are as efficient as I with that

a good way to learn how to manage inventory and not hoard stuff, is playing a survival game, where anything you have to carry is a burden - then you learn how to manage your inventory

[floral talon]

its how to not be a hoarder

[twilit inlet]

I find that in this game I simply use up my materials faster than I can grind them so I've never been able to hoard

[wary finch]

you can ofc as well do a several day hiking tour in rl, this will teach you as well not to carry too much.

[twilit inlet]

as an avid hiker LOL

[wary finch]

australia is huge, once you go hiking you are on your own, so this is kinda survival situation as well.

just you and nature

we don't litter, so we have to carry all the garbage back home again as well.

[twilit inlet]

I live up in the mountains with not many people around so similar here. you get lost ur screwed and forget about cell service.

[wary finch]

I have a satellite phone for emergencies.

but getting lost can be a problem, you should take a gps with you.