🌱│gardening

[subtle pier]

ok

[alpine lagoon]

This is mine rn, its 100% water retain and 100% harvest boost, it requires a little harvest boost fertilizer in just 5 spots https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.HPTPBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-TPT.HBBPBBT-AAAAAAAAA-TPTPT.HPTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TBBPBBT.HPT-AAAAAAAAA-BBTBBPTPT.H

but im above level 38 so everything i grow is starred

[subtle pier]

ill try

[subtle pier]

kind of like this one. that you have tomato blueberry and apple

i can't digout the soil to plant apple. should i just leave it empty

[alpine lagoon]

what do you mean dig out?

[subtle pier]

like apple needs 9 spaces. in those 9 spaces, i have tomato already planted

4 spaces occupied

[alpine lagoon]

you can right click with hoe to remove if you want

[subtle pier]

whattttttttttttttt

[floral talon]

ya sitll need a layout?

[subtle pier]

im gonna try Damian's layout

it has potato tomato blueberry and apple. the one i need

[floral talon]

oh that one is perfect for cake makers who dont mind weeding nice nice

@alpine lagoon gj on that layout

[subtle pier]

i just wanted one with blueberry and make jams and sell

i dont know about cake

[floral talon]

i snuck in an extra blueberry bush

[alpine lagoon]

tyty, yeah i cook petite fives(when im not being lazy and eating apple jam) so it works out, and weeds are just free money. Also i thought about another bush but i use the pickled potatos for my glow farm so i went with more of those.

[floral talon]

u not doing jysses trick for infinite glowworms? fish with glowworms make grilled fish outof it put in glowworm farm tons of glowworms

[alpine lagoon]

interesting, ill have to check that out

[floral talon]

i currently just put junk iotems in my glowworm th ingy XD just o clear storage but then i get more storage in use due to fertilser which i dont really use interesting

[alpine lagoon]

yeah thats the good part about that layout im using now is it only requires harvest boost on 5 spots and i had been storing 99 fertilizer on all of the single spots so i had to sell over 3000 fertilizer earlier to clear space.

[tranquil ginkgo]

how many ticks are you logging in for each day Duhscape?

[floral talon]

idk 12 or something most are due ot insomnia

[wary finch]

I'm still waiting for my last tree standing to finally give up, otherwise everything is ready to start with the strip. And then another 10 hrs to full production, it takes ages.

[tranquil ginkgo]

so not during the day?

[wary finch]

there is not much left, @tranquil ginkgo, with probably 8 work hours,if he cannot log in during that time, leaving just 4hrs to sleep, bare minimum without to get seriously sick.

[wary finch]

I found that it is better (for me) to calculate on a weekly basis, at least when figuring out how many seeders are required, how consistent they can run with which crops and so. 14 ticks would be 98, but 98 is a pretty uncomfortable number, so I cheat a little with using the numbers 96, 99 and 100 instead, to get full cycle amounts for every used crop type other than apples.

[tranquil ginkgo]

I need to have my pc beside my work computer lol

[wary finch]

Especially when speed boosting bok choy, the number 99 is better suited, 21 times boosted, using 42 ticks and leave 57, which is then 19 normal cycles. Together 40 cycles a 12 bok choy, so I need 480 bok choy seeds per week - and those take a seeder how long - 120x72 = 8640 minutes or 6 rl days.

so 1 seeder isn't fully utilized with this job and I can use it for 1 day per week for something else.

If I use it that way, that is - I could as well run 2 seeders with bok choy for 3 days and have then those 2 seeders for another 4 days for something else.

And this is what I want to figure out right now, what is the best utilization plan to minimize the amount of required seeders.

Apples, no number does fit in a week, but it does in 3 weeks, 300, 10 full cycles in 3 weeks, in which I need 50 apple seeds, those take how long to seed? 50x142 minutes = 7100 minutes or not quite 5 rl day in 3 weeks. As well not worth reserving a seeder for it, this can be weaved in.

[floral talon]

i joined the dark side plz forgive me

[stable ginkgo]

Welcome!!! The Dark Side welcomes you!!

[floral talon]

imagine the gainz if speedygrow was still decently obtainable from worms

[stable ginkgo]

This was something I had secretly made for when speedygrow was fixed. I'll leak it since it's further away now.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.SRWBkB.SB.SRB.SB.S-Bk.SBk.SBk.SBkR.SBkBkWBk-WRBk.SB.SB.SBkB.SB.SR-W.SBkRBk.SBk.SW.SBk.SBkR-BkB.SB.SBkB.SB.SBk.SRBk-RBkW.SWBk.SBk.SRBkBk.S-RB.SB.SWB.SB.SBk.SBkR-BkW.SBkBkBk.SBkW.SBk.SW.S-B.SB.SRB.SB.SWRBkBk.S

[wary finch]

with not that many ticks this is not bad thing to do, apples take long to grow and can be frustrating for someone with not much playtime, then that bok choy garden is not a bad idea, just seeding it? really?

[floral talon]

yeay i was to lazy to put fertiliser in so i put harvest boost strip inbetween but otherwise its full 81 bokchoi per rotation and what cant be turned into seeds goes straight into the sell bin

[wary finch]

how much do you make with this per rl day with 12 ticks?

[floral talon]

the growth ticks that can be turned into seeds make 5800+ those who dont make 3700 and its 4200 minimum per tixk on average i think

[wary finch]

you said 81 bok choy per 3 days, correct?

[floral talon]

thats for if i would use fertiliser for which im to lazy

[wary finch]

you overestimate your income - 81x4 (for 12 ticks) x 88 (if all could be seeded and you would not need any seeds for replants) gets a revenue of 28512g, and that is 2376g per tick.

or you do more ticks than you think you would

this is why I calculate stuff, because it is so easy to make wrong estimations with fluctuating revenues all the time. This happened to me as well, but basing decisions on wrong estimations is not desirable.

[floral talon]

im getting at least 3700 even without turning into seeds

[wary finch]

because you gave me the wrong numbers, you have 54 bok choy there which give you 162 bok choy every 3 days, not just 81 as you said. you see you get double as many as you said you would, that's where the difference comes from.

[floral talon]

uhm ok then il make a setup with harvest fertiliser cuz im not going to do 81 bokchoi without fertiliser

[wary finch]

which fertilizer?

[floral talon]

if 81bokchoi u use harvest

[wary finch]

you have already harvest boost on those bok choy

you want to do all spots being bok choy?

ah now I understand what you mean by this

is a high result dependent on how many you can actually seed

[floral talon]

imagine if u could speedy grow this $_$

[wary finch]

well in the strip case it just gets me 7 cycles more per week, with what is currently possible, that is one lousy cycle per day, which is getting me this.

but it is good that you are exploring the dark side, sharing experiences can benefit all.

[floral talon]

the 81 bokchoi is only 300 more coins per day if u subtract fertiliser value and ur probs gonna lose even more of hte diffeerence if u cant process it all

[wary finch]

yeah, solutions like this require careful planning otherwise one is ruining the effect by overproduction and not being able to process everything.

so now I just have to drop an apple seed in those free spots every other hour and then the strip will be in full operation.

and I wont ever have to wait for apples longer than 2 ingame days.

otherwise there is not really much to do compared to before - this should be an easy to run performance garden

my worms got a nice meal today, grilled fairy carp followed by 2 star quality grilled mirror carp.

that's 52/52 in average per hour in a normal worm farm.

[wary finch]

@floral talonif you do 12 ticks and 81 harvest boosted bok choy, you can process them all, just not seed them all, but you can run 23 jars and process them all within a day. Let's check this, so you need 4x81 seeds with 12 ticks. You get 4x81x3 bok choy (972) 81 are required for reseeding, leaving a produce value of (972-81)*45 = 40095g which feed 22.275 jars, income is then 22.275x2700g = 60142.5, fertilizer value 4860, so this garden would make you about 55,282g per day.

more than 4600g per tick with 12 daily ticks.

but ... it gets you nothing else but money.

[wary finch]

Now let's see how long reseeding takes - 81x72 minutes = 97.2hrs, 4 seeders would be 96hrs, so it would take occasionally a 5th seeder. And here the bottleneck starts, because we have now 23 jars and at least 4 seeders, leaving just 3 crafters to 30, basically 2 worm farms and a utility crafter, for example for that 5th seeder from time to time.

And what kind of fish is required to get those 972 fertilizer units every day? Let's assume 2 farms, so each has to create 468 in 24hrs - or 19.5 per hour, practically 20, which means each worm farm requires grilled fish with a value of 180g every hour. Or better fish, then you don't have to catch that many fish.

So yeah, it's possible, but a whole lot of work as well and requires 30 crafter licenses unlocked.

[wary finch]

And now you can frame this and put it on the wall and forget about it again - much too much hassle.

[wary finch]

finally, "the strip" is complete and initialized, endless stream of apples starting with the next tick, every other day providing apples in a repeating sequence of 24-24-24-48-48-24-48-48-24-48-48-24-24-24 without any long wait in between anymore - same amount of apples, just more evenly distributed.

[wary finch]

just that it freaking doesn't, even it was planted together with corn, corn completed 2 cycles, so it is clearly day 10 and the tree has no apples yet - this means basically, a tree can fall behind schedule by no apparent reason, another annoying bug, which ruins timed gardens.

[mystic skiff]

can someone please give me an apple layout rec? i still have water fert so i dont need potatoes and tomatoes, so just harvest boost and maybe some anti weed i need a way to store gold.

and managing the bokchoy industrial complex is tiring with 26 seeders. XD

[wary finch]

my strip has this - and no, the bok choy in my setup is for the jar, not for seeding (beside for replants ofc)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACCrABkCr-AAAAAAAAA-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACWABkCr

[mystic skiff]

thats a pretty layout. but idont think my plot can handle something that long. ill check if i can make room

[wary finch]

it is made for speed boosting those bok choy 21 times per week with the speedygro bought from weekly challenge medals.

well, it is made for 14 ticks per day and 24 jars

I don't really like the shape as well, but it is for this purpose simply really good.

[mystic skiff]

what's your # crafters set up looking like with this?

i assume u just chuck everything into a jar except wtih the replants

[wary finch]

24 jars, 3 seeder, 2 worm farms, 1 utility crafting spot left

yes, and ofc the wheat is for cooking

[mystic skiff]

i hope they add a milling stone one day loll. i could use those for all the cooking parties i attend

[wary finch]

simply because jars have a fixed throughput and outcome, regardless of what you put into them, if they run star produce for a day, the outcome will always be 2700g per jar and rl day.

[mystic skiff]

thats a great setup, minimal upkeep. and i dont need worms so i can use glass/furnace

wait can we put starred jars down as decor/ for storage?

[wary finch]

that setup is for 14 ticks per rl day though.

[mystic skiff]

14 ticks?

[wary finch]

for advancing your garden 14 times every rl day.

it would normally require more ticks, about 17, but due to the speedboost of 252 bok choy per week, it goes down to 14 ticks.

[steel ore]

Does anyone have a good layout with 4 apple trees and one of every crop?

[wary finch]

252 bok choy take 4 speedygro more than you get with weekly challenge medals, but this should be compensated by level increases.

good layout as in what, Caity?

what is a good layout for you?

[steel ore]

Just something that stays watered and has every crop and 3/4 apple trees

[wary finch]

ok, then it is not mine, I don't care about that at all.

[mystic skiff]

oh you mean, the bokchoy is there to get the guild level up fast, so can get medals. then you use the medals on teh apples? like that?

[wary finch]

no, not on the apples, on the bok choy

[mystic skiff]

leave the apples alone, but use the sppedy on the bok?

[wary finch]

with 500 fertilizer you cannot boost several trees, one would consume 180 per cycle.

that gets 7 cycles more per week - 12x7x3x45x1.5 = 17k and a bit more revenue per week

21 cycles speed boosted, 19 cycles normal, in total 40 cycles, which would normally require 120 ticks, done in 99 - which is about 14 ticks per day then.

might not be for someone not used to workloads of 100 hours per week though 🙂

[floral talon]

@wary finch if an apple tree misses a growth tick its usually cuz some weed was invisible in the trunk

[wary finch]

my layout has 100% weed protection

now lets see if it has apples now and when the next tree gives apples, should now be on the next day then

again no apples, that tree is bugged

well, if this continues, I go and play a game which actually works, I am so frustrated with these bugs.

[floral talon]

Its cuz u use speedygrow on ur layout its buggy

[wary finch]

I have not used it yet, I do those 19 normal cycles first

there is no excuse for that, these are core game mechanics

[tranquil ginkgo]

Ah wonder if thats why my apples are being weird too

[wary finch]

now it gave apples, at day 12, the others seem to be as well 2 days behind - it is day 12, because it gave apples together with carrot and bok choy, which have cycles of 3 days.

the 2nd tree, which is planted with an offset of 2 days is now at day 10 with no apples.

when I shut down the everything garden it was as well weird, those trees did not end their cycle at the expected times - I thought maybe I made a mistake, when planting them, but now I am certain, that this is a bug, I put care and attention to plant these trees at the exact right time.

but none of the normal crops are delayed, that is so weird.

[sterile sky]

heyyyyy 🙂 how do you remove soil tiling??

[wary finch]

by waiting, there is no other way currently -some say 48 hrs

[tranquil ginkgo]

Same as mine Lys ive been waiting to shut down my final 2 trees and theyre way behind

[wary finch]

yes, something is really weird, but if all have the same delay, they would at least stay in the timely pattern I want -still this is messing with the results.

where those the 2 trees on the right which didn't want to shut down?

when did we get the hot fix, wasn't it this week?

[stable ginkgo]

monday, the 10th

[wary finch]

yeah, this week, thx Agajj

so this is likely related to the patch, now we need to find out, if all have these delayed times on apple trees

I would like to check this, but I'm exhausted, I need a break first.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Its the 1st and 3rd one in the 4 apple tree plot

[wary finch]

well, I know the reason now - when you look at the seed bag it says now "days to harvest: 12"

so either that is a mistake by s6 or an intentional nerf

basically the routines are performing like they should, but the parameter controlling those have changed, maybe just by accident, who knows.

[primal sage]

can’t remember but did someone mention that bok choy should be placed in the seed maker to sell instead of selling bok choy itself as the seeds are more profitable?

[wary finch]

if you seed them they gain nearly 100% extra, but it takes 72 minutes to seed one bok choy

in a jar it is just 50%, but it is there very quickly processed

[primal sage]

what would you suggest?

i just did the farm layout of yours, the one with 4 apple trees and cotton focus

[wary finch]

i personally put them in jars now

[primal sage]

i only crafted one preserve jar atm

but should i be using apples in the preserve jar instead of bok choy?

[wary finch]

ah that layout has just 1 bok choy, those 3 you are getting, I would seed them and keep the seeds

that is what I did and now where I run the strip those come in very handy for my new layout.

[primal sage]

ah okay, so for that layout, should i save all the apples and cotton i harvest for preserve jars? and sell the rest of the crops as it is? (except for bok choy)

[wary finch]

cotton goes into the loom to make fabric

star cotton you seed, normal cotton in the loom to make fabric

and then replant with the star seeds

and apples for the jar to make jam for sale

[primal sage]

i should save the star apple seeds for the seed maker too to replant right?

or should i use the star ones in the jar too, not sure if it affects the outcome

[wary finch]

the star apples yes, but you need 10 apples of the same quality to make 1 seed

takes 142 minutes to craft 1 apple seed, so do that early on

[primal sage]

alright i will

so are the rest of the crops good to sell? i think ill only save wheat for food recipes

[wary finch]

I put my apple seeds always in the lock box, not that I accidently sell them (because they look so similar to tomato seeds)

i would preserve them, it is not important what you preserve, because a jar running all the time will create an output of 1800g with normal quality produce and 2700g with star produce per rl day.

this is just how jars are balanced, they take a fixed value as input and produce a fixed value as output.

[primal sage]

oh i thought people mainly only used apples in preserve jars

[wary finch]

yeah, guess why - lazy layouts and they want to run a farm nearly afk - that is why

[primal sage]

i currently only have 1 preserve jar tho, my cotton crop hasn’t grown yet. Do I just save all the crops to preserve in the future? 😂

[wary finch]

hm you can as well sell some of it for now to get the money to buy crafting licenses, that you can craft more preserve jars -but when you have no cotton yet, you don't have the fabric for jars, right?

[primal sage]

i requested fabric to make my first preserve jar 😂

[wary finch]

that is ok, the request system is there to create kind of mateship.

[compact gale]

how rare is the flow tree seed

[primal sage]

so when you used to use this farm layout, you saved almost all of your crops for the preserve jar?

[wary finch]

I created that layout to get all crafting licenses unlocked and earn this with adding more and more jars and preserving all I possibly could

[primal sage]

would earning gold be kinda slow since i have to wait till all of them are preserved?

[wary finch]

you don't have to wait, sell something of it and use the money to create more income

[primal sage]

alrightt thank you for your advise

[wary finch]

@compact galeyou are not ignored, I just have no clue how to answer this

btw what do you guys think about the new big harvest house - I built it and I am not happy with it.

I wish I could just give it away to someone who likes it, but unfortunately we cannot do that

because it will rot in my inventory, such an uninspired something, I cannot even find words for what I think it is.

well, well, well, the one to blame is I actually, apple trees always took 12 days to harvest, I just recalled it incorrectly - oh my, sorry.

[alpine lagoon]

I like it, i think it serves a different function than the regular one. You have to really make it your own and that takes a while to find out.

[fringe osprey]

So I'm not big on logistics and stuff but this is my current layout, I'm not using any fertilizer and I'm only harvesting the tomatoes while the other crops are just for their boosts (quality and harvest bonus, plus water retention).

I wanted to know if there was anything I can do to improve upon it, I'm only gardening level two so far so I haven't unlocked apples or blueberries?

[floral talon]

Do harvest cotton u need hundreds of it at some point later on for the rest its perfect for you

[turbid locust]

what's the ideal seed collectors and preservers to have?

[clear kindle]

no one can easily answer that, as it depends entirely on your play style and garden layout.

i have 12 preserve jars, 2 seeders and one each of the worm farms. but i also only harvest my blueberries and apples and leave everything else in the ground for example

[floral talon]

I mean currently im doing 28 seed collectors 1glowworm 1whatever i need at the moment
But yeay depends on the player

[turbid locust]

that makes sense..currently have 3 preservers and 3 seed collectors..testing out which one will help me get more gold..

[wary finch]

@alpine lagoonok, I will give it another chance on a different character, for my currently acitive one this house is just too big for what I wish my plot to look like.

[wary finch]

indeed, nutcases like us operate with 29 crafters for profit and 1 to do all the rest -lol.

[alpine lagoon]

i get that, the plot i have the grand harvest house on is called "the big house" and it is absolutely massive, filling the space is an ongoing effort.

[wary finch]

I left a whole lot of the default forest intact and I could just have the grand harvest house with 2 large in the available space - and this doesn't look nice, it is like putting a mining truck into a standard car park - at least it feels to me like this then.

[fading island]

Thank you for this! I just greatly dislike watering. It's not about profits for me :p

I just got it planted

[alpine lagoon]

You are welcome! I thought i didnt mind watering until i setup the garden like this. It is so easy to manage and the money is still good imo.

[fading island]

Any money is good money 🙂 I just want the variety so I can make all the different dishes.

[alpine lagoon]

I only cook petite fives so the fruit is all i really need, then occasionally ill grow corn and other stuff just to replenish incase im cooking with someone else and need that stuff

[fading island]

Why petite fives?

[alpine lagoon]

They are super simple to make especially with a friend and if theyre star they give 600 focus per.

[long slate]

This quote is taken from the Palia website "This statue has a 25% chance of producing a "Flow" infused see every real time day.".

[floral talon]

I get normal acorns 100% of the time …

[alpine lagoon]

i have gotten 4 flow seeds in about 1 month and a half

[tranquil ginkgo]

I started designing mine yesterday with it included and dont actually mind it with the rooms ive attached

[floral talon]

lys i hit the sell item bin limit ...

[alpine lagoon]

Heres a low level garden layout for new players who are wanting to money make, you can run it with or without fertilizer, is 100% water retain and pretty high harvest boost on whats important. It can be seeded or jarred and still bring in good money https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Co.HTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo-CoTCr.HTP.HTCr.HTCo.H

[wary finch]

that's a nice one, even without fertilizer it would be a good starter layout.

[alpine lagoon]

It actually seems to work out better if you do potato as the main crop receiving the quality boost and then seeding the potatos.

[floral talon]

poeple wh o just start out do not have the p[rocessing capacaitry by far for potatoes though

[alpine lagoon]

truu but even just selling all as crop its almost 2700 gold a palian day on average.

[tawdry rapids]

Can we safely put the flower seeds in our main storage without them disappearing???

[alpine lagoon]

I dont recall ever losing flower seeds in storage.

[spice elbow]

man, it has been a hot second since i got a new flow tree seed...

[hexed ridge]

flow tree seeds? Like it legit grows as a flow tree? Ive never seen a flow tree seed!

[spice elbow]

yes there's an item that will give you them, kinda suprised it han't become common knowledge at this point

[hexed ridge]

Im still really new to the game. so so much to learn! lol

[spice elbow]

it's an advanced player thing. you have to progress pretty far to obtain the item, but once you do you will get a random tree seed every real life day, and it had a chance of being a flow tree seed

[hexed ridge]

thats so cool! thanks! 😄

[spice elbow]

it's just been a while since that happened, all the seeds in the last few days were normal so i can only get more seeds when the flow trees are fully grown. i've had people come over to my plot just to cut them all down before

although pro tip

if you hate cooking then what you can do is chuck some potatoes in a preserves jar, and then get 202 focus points for each jar consumed if it's a star level preserves

[hexed ridge]

oh heck yeah! thanks for the Tip 😄 Im still fairly low level in cooking so im sure thats a ways away for me. 🙂

[tranquil ginkgo]

Lys is planting apple trees 2 ticks apart still the way to go? im about to restart

[sterile sky]

anyone know how to untile soil?

[tranquil ginkgo]

you cant un-till it, only plants

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgoI do it like that and really like the distributed apple harvest, but due to that I made a mistake with the length of the initial growth days, it is not always apples every other day - but most of the time. For really every other day it would require 6 apple trees - but I doubt that I would make more with 6 trees - well, I'll fiddle a bit with the planner and will see.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Thanks Lys, ill stick with the 4 then

[wary finch]

I can fit 6 apples on the strip, no problem, even with a berry bush as well, but the raw average is slightly lower than the 5 tree setup - anyway, I play around a bit more with it, maybe I find something I like.

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgothis for example, 6 apples, 4 berries, some bok choy to be speed boosted as well, little bit of corn, this could, planted with a 2hrs distance in between those apple trees, really be "apples every other day" after the first initial growth, subsequent growth cycles wouldn't have a long wait anymore. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACrBkA-AABAABAABk-BAABAABkAA-ABBABBABkBk-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBABkBkA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA

I might do this, when my current trees end their cycles - I would really enjoy a steady apple stream every other day.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Ive been doing cooking parties so mainly need BB and Apples eg 50-100-200 per party

[wary finch]

yeah, I thought the same, berries and apples are good to have

this is the repeating sequence: 24-24-48-48-48-24-48-48-48-48-48-48-24-24-24

[tranquil ginkgo]

ideally id need 100 per RL day of either, i tried a 200 cake cooking party today and it took way to long, 4 RL hours but came out with 150k gold, spent around 15k on ingredients at zekis

im trying damiens? 3x3 apple/BB based one now to test, but might move to a strip too, gets more apple trees in it

[wary finch]

smile and relax, you won't see 100k or half a million or even a million gold no longer as hard to achieve - I'm at 780k earned and it's my 21st day, I will complete the million easily before being 4 weeks old, and the 10 million are as well not too hard with about half a million income per week.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Heres what I have done with the grand house, dont know why the camera makes it look stretched out when the pavs clearly square lol

I havent started decor yet as been spending the gold on crafting licences etc mostly

[wary finch]

it is a fish eye effect, caused by the field of view setting

my plot is not that empty, I left most of the forest intact.

[tranquil ginkgo]

I kept the rest compact, ill plant trees back around once ive sorted the buildings out, still in planning stage

[wary finch]

bbs, quickly rake in some money, next apples are up

we can replant trees, but not bushes, that is why I care for the legacy forest as it initially was.

[tranquil ginkgo]

i not long cut most of mine down, i was going to retain it too but i got lazy when i needed wood and stone lol

[wary finch]

you can simply buy bricks and the 2 normal planks from sifuu's - if you don't want the hassle with sawmill and smelter.

So far the setup with 24 jars, 3 seeders, 2 glow worm farms and a utility crafter seems to work well.

and for medium term even 27 jars, 2 seeder, 1 glow worm farm would work as well

27 would be good to quickly process a bunch of berries.

[loud basin]

I only have 6 squares for gardening and was wondering what you guys think of this as a plan.

[floral talon]

I think its bad unles u really want tonplant same crop in a lane

[loud basin]

I ended up doing a more complex one. I want to get a lot of cotton and a variety of the other crops that I can use for cooking or selling

[wary finch]

alternate potatoes with tomatoes, not the same kind side by side, they don't give each other boost, if they are of the same kind.

as well onions with carrots

[loud basin]

I made an updated one. I just want to get cotton for fabric and other veggies for consumption and sale

[wary finch]

I show you my cotton garden for newbies, all plots are the same so it works for any garden size

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-NNNNNNNNN-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC

it has this shape just because I like it that way.

you can put these plots as well in a strip, then just the left-most column would need weed protection and the right-most harvest boost, both can be done with fertilizers - but you can use the garden as well like it is, you get enough produce, it is not that important, that a few carrots and onions aren't optimized.

[loud basin]

gotcha

[wary finch]

this will give you a lot of quality produce, when you seed the star cotton and replant the star quality seeds. non-star crop put in the loom for making fabric.

[hasty monolith]

guys how hard is it for the galdur statue give a flow seed? its been WEEKS and i still dont have one..its been really frustrating and i'm starting to be hopeless and just stop accepting the gift from it 🥲

[clear kindle]

it took a long time for mine to give me a flow tree seed, it eventually did though

and if you want to know, since i got my statue, it's only given me 9 flow seeds.

[floral talon]

They only give acorns (in my case)

[sterile sky]

can someone anyone pls tell me how to remove tiling from soillll

[floral talon]

Tilted soil reverts back after 48

[sterile sky]

ughhh, thanks @floral talon

[floral talon]

Having a plant on a 48 h spot will make it revert on last harvest of that plant/ when removing plant

[devout canopy]

I'm not sure if something is bugged for me or it is the case
Does growing trees and flowers (picking seed) give any exp towards gardening? 🤔

[floral talon]

No clue never checked it

[wary finch]

from my experience it doesn't, but it might give experience to chop down that tree and pick up the loot - picking up the loot is where xp is gained.

[paper trail]

Anyone know what bonus the lettuce gives?

[neat vortex]

Wow, they really did give us lettuce seeds, lmao, what the devil... I thought that was a typo

[paper trail]

stealth drop of new crop

[neat vortex]

Per Paliapedia, at least, it doesn't seem to give a buff at all...

[paper trail]

wow...

[neat vortex]

Methinks this was an error

[sterile remnant]

Welp I already planted mine. No take backs LOL

[neat vortex]

Does it give a buff?

[steel ore]

Lettuce? O.O

[unkempt field]

Ok, so I am not the only one confused by the lettuce! It comes in the father's day gift from S6. News page in game. Description says nothing about buffs. I did plant some so we shall see.

[frail escarp]

Any max profit layout that uses the new lettuce?

[clear kindle]

we know nothing about the lettuce yet, it takes six hours until the first harvest, we don't even know what buffs it gives, so people with certain layouts might not change out until we know what the buffs are

[nocturne island]

The crop has only existed for an hour

[misty ridge]

Does anyone know which of the plants give quality boost currently? My memory completely failed me unfortunately.

[stable ginkgo]

Oh no!!! Im not even home to test the lettuce AAHHH!

[frail escarp]

Cotton & Spicy Peps

[misty ridge]

Thanks! I knew I forgot something, was confused by having a quality boost cotton without fertiliser...

[neat vortex]

answer thus far is "nope, no buff at all"

Though, interestingly, the seeds have the same sell value as potato seeds

[tawny ore]

i don't think i'd mind if it didn't give a buff, personally. might make them more willing to add other crops in the future if they didn't have to worry as much about what they might be displacing

[ivory cave]

They don't even have a texture file....

[tawny ore]

the little ghostly sprout looked interesting when i planted a couple (and didn't look like any lettuce i know of, heh) so i suppose we'll see in a few hours

[misty ridge]

Looking forward to them as well.

Added speedgrowth fertilizer to them, I'm impatient...

I just remembered... Did anyone else recently try taking fertilizer out of their worm box with a full inventory, and got taken 2 but added only 1?

[floral talon]

There wil be another lettuce? Then again idk tge differences between cabbage and lettuce

[frail escarp]

Looked it up for you! Turns out the differences are mostly non-visual

[floral talon]

<- just buys leafy stuff in supermarkets

[floral talon]

Mh will be hard to tell what u planted if two crops look so similar

[neat vortex]

What do you mean by "got taken 2 but added only 1"?

[frail escarp]

Hello! This message is a just-in-case notice to anyone inquiring about if/when the [ Garden Planner] will add the new lettuce. I will not yet be adding them until all of the following occur:

1. An official announcement regarding the state of lettuce is made
2. At least 12 hours have elapsed as of this message (cause I'll be asleep when they're harvestable for the first time).

They seem to be in a heavily unstable state right now and may be removed, so you won't see them on the planner till they've been 'legitimised'.

[misty ridge]

Took two from the worm box, but I only got one in my storage box... I started at 96, took one five times, noticed they were going in twos, thought I had enough for four plants fertilising twice, turns out I only had five in my storage. Ended up with 86 in my worm box.

[neat vortex]

h-hm that don't seem right

I haven't noticed this, but I generally right-click to move things in chunks rather than single-clicking, so that might be why

[half minnow]

is the state of lettuce where Reth is from?

[floral talon]

Insert canada flag with green instead of red and lettuce instead of maple leaf

[frail escarp]

O lettuce! Our home and native plant

[covert kettle]

Switched to growth boost

Theyv appear to have water retain buff

[opal sentinel]

A user in another server I'm in planted one lettuce in a spot in their garden where it would only grant a buff to one crop if it gives anything and it gives nothing.

[covert kettle]

Well that's an apple tree on the other side so..

[nocturne island]

And potatoes and cabbage which are buffing each other

[covert kettle]

Oh duh I too excited she's right

[nocturne island]

I'm not a he

[floral talon]

😂✅

[covert kettle]

Always being right is never enough.

[stable ginkgo]

Do I need to sign any paperwork to move here?

[floral talon]

Oh no he started a cult

[lucid furnace]

that's never happened before here .. shudders at the memory of the great Moth vs Butterflies cult war

[covert kettle]

Call it The Father's Day Massacre.

[vital lagoon]

what the heck is lettuce and when did they add that

[floral talon]

lettuce gives no buffs

[covert kettle]

Smoke up Johnny

[tawny ore]

we don't know and apparently a few hours ago XD

[vital lagoon]

LMAOOO..Im looking at it like "...this isnt napa cabbage seeds"...

[vital lagoon]

Noted I will not be planting these LMAO.

[tawny ore]

i planted two and saved three, so far there's no way to get more seeds

[vital lagoon]

well if they dont add some buffs or recipes....we wont even need em

[covert kettle]

Someone will probably have some by 4:20

[floral talon]

seed collectors dont even got a recipe for lettuce though neither does jarmaker so i doubt those lettuce do anything for now might just a be a temp item as a gift

[vital lagoon]

LMAOO. Im sure theyll add it all in here...its a cute idea for fathers day tho.

[lucid furnace]

I logged in .. grabbed the goodies and immediately went to sell the non starred and went .. 'wait a minute we don't have lettuce yet' .. checks storage, nope .. immediately plants lettuce

[floral talon]

same i do wonder if lettuce is astayer though instead of only 5 seeds that u cannot turn its produce into more of

[lucid furnace]

It's probably a pre-cursor to the next patch with the rest of the functionality .. easy to add items than update the game on the fly

[lucid furnace]

I planted all of them and buffed them with harvest boost .. it can sit in storage until they add the recipes

[frail sierra]

I hope they add them in officially at the end of the month with this next update

[forest osprey]

I'm glad to see i'm no the only one who sold my lettuce seeds lol!

[floral talon]

il keep some in spzre to send to those like u

[left sun]

i also sold my lettuce seeds.....

why did they not specify those are new?? like, i'm not crazy right? those haven't been available until this login reward??

[floral talon]

look guys i can only compensate a few of ya (once they allow gifting cabbage nr2) so stop selling stuff without looking at it dont sell of those second cabbage type seeds

[tawny ore]

you're not crazy, they haven't been, and so far there's no way to get more than the first set :/

[left sun]

its not a big deal if i dont get them from ppl, so no worries i'm not asking. its just a little silly they offered it randomly without mentioning its a new item in the announcement.

[tawny ore]

(we think they either tagged the wrong item, or didn't realize we didn't have them yet when they set it up, there's been a lot of... churn at the studio lately)

[left sun]

i bet!

[clear kindle]

still think it's a bit weird that they released a crop that doesn't have it's proper texture nor does it provide any boosts or have access to make more of them nearly 2 weeks (most likely) from the next update

[zealous sonnet]

You can ask them if you sell it like me

[clear kindle]

and as a surprise as well

[zealous sonnet]

But for now no recipes nothing you can do with lettuce

[merry ferry]

Hello friends, I am very new to the game. This is my first week. I am into gardening, but I don’t know optimal gardening layout for crops. They each give different bonuses, what are your favorite garden layouts? Currently I am a 2x2 square garden plot which has 36 slots. I am interested in adding an extra two soil plots for an extra 18 slots

[clear kindle]

honestly, right now, just focus on getting crops into the ground and harvesting them. you can worry about optimizing when you understand your game play style (i.e how often are you playing? what do i want my garden to do for me? etc.)

[merry ferry]

Thank you! Will do.
Right now tomatoes are my favorite. 🍅
I also enjoy cooking, but selling the crops is a good source of income for me.

[clear kindle]

you need higher level of gardening to get the seeders and preserve jars (level 2 and level 8 respectively) and you'll need to unlock your crafter license which cost a lot of gold to really get into getting the garden to be your passive income. all of the crops have achievements that give renown to harvest them, and weeds give a little money as well

[tawny ore]

personally, i like to start with something like this - repeat it in the plots so the next row gets buffs from the last row. and then it gives you a little bit of everything for cooking
[wheat][rice][corn]
[potato][tomato][cabbage]
[carrot][onion][bok choy]

but yeah, until you get more plots and machines, the only real optimizing is making sure every crop has harvest boost, it's an extra 50% yield

[clear kindle]

i would argue that once you've reached level 10 gardening (by harvesting crops) then you can start to maybe play around with what layout would work for you. the layout that evan just showed is a good start up. you get access to all of the basic crops outside of cotton which i would probably add somewhere into that to see about getting star quality crops which is better for money

[tawny ore]

i keep forgetting about cotton 😢 i kinda miss needing it tbh

[merry ferry]

Thank you very much for your help, friends.

[tawny ore]

but yeah, you could easily run a line of it down every third tile so everything has that, but IIRC it's only 50% more likely to give quality crop, so it's not quite as lucrative as harvest

[clear kindle]

still, 50% is 50%, it will still net some star quality seeds for replacement crops (hopefully) which will get the achievements a bit faster. thus getting renown a bit faster, thus going to the shrines to increase focus which in turn help get more experience when harvesting the garden. and getting to the higher levels faster thus getting more star quality crops from harvests

[lucid furnace]

Yeah, I used cotton for quality boosting in the early days, now I just keep my cotton stocked up for cloth making or grow to sell.

[floral talon]

cotton early days is nice cuz u actually benefit from the quality up and u need cotton

[forest osprey]

more plots of soil is needed

[floral talon]

ya tel me i want like 100 of em

[covert kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/digibyte-cartoon-doge-lettuce-hands-gif-21426882

[bleak abyss]

lettuce hype. i hope we at least get a patch to make more seeds for it soon while they work on recipes

[terse wren]

Does speedygrofertilizer and the speed boost from crops stack?

[covert kettle]

No

Crops trump fertilizer iirc

[terse wren]

Ok thank you! 💚

[floral talon]

speedy grow got removed from worm farms and speed buff from blueberrys and apples cuz its bugged th ough u may find ways to make it work also theres no crop that grants speedy buff

[mystic tree]

but what if i cant read? how was i supposed to know?

[floral talon]

im sorry u failed 3rd grade elementary

[mystic tree]

thank you. sympathy is always appreciated 💚

[floral talon]

btw just add me when turning lettuce into seeds is possible and il gift u some lettuce seeds

[mystic tree]

wait. thats cute, thanks! sadly i will forget though, i also did not learn how to remember things

[wary finch]

a plant that does nothing - not something new, apple trees and blueberries did nothing for long, even they claimed to speed boost things.

[floral talon]

lettuce doesnt promise anything 😦

if anyone still needs normal apples or blueberrys i got lots of em

[sweet oxide]

???? o.o

[clear kindle]

yeah, the lettuce does nothing and has no recipes to be used for, including seeders or preserve jars yet. it also has broken textures

[keen dome]

We have lettuce? Where was I?

[waxen sun]

anyone have a good garden layout for profit including every type of seed? :)

[keen dome]

I have to get lettuce seeds now

[twilit inlet]

I sold them too by accident lmao

[unreal tangle]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that was about to sell the lettuce seeds and then was like "Wait a minute... this isn't Napa Cabbage." 😄

[neat vortex]

I am very late to the question, but it's one worth asking! Even new players can benefit from companion planting; maybe even especially. You've got a lot to do and not much to do it with, in early days!

I like this one as a starter layout:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1_CROPS-RBkPTOTPBkR

It will easily tile together as you add more soil plots, and as you get the hang of what does what, you can substitute in other crops that give the same buffs and start experimenting with your own layouts. In this particular one, you can put cotton in instead of rice; or wheat, or corn.
If you get star-quality crops, save them to turn them into seeds for replanting (once you can).

Until you unlock other machines, do your best to turn excess crops into seeds before you sell them, as seeds are an increase in value over the crops themselves. Potatoes and bok choy are your cash crops, here. Onion and rice (or wheat) are mostly meant for cooking. You will need a lot of cotton for furniture crafting and also for a quest or two.

Also check out the guide to gardening at the top of the page I linked; it gives a very good overview of the whole system.

[merry ferry]

Oh wow! Thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

You're most welcome, happy experimenting!

[clear kindle]

only problem is it's fully weed blocked, so you won't have any weeds spawning on the crops, and to fully get the weed whacker achievement you need to pick 1000 weeds. so just keep that in mind

[neat vortex]

Yep, good point to keep in mind! but there is plenty of time for that, and if you're going to risk losing growth ticks to weeds, at least let it be on purpose - and preferably not when a weed on a tile represents a significant chunk of your production capacity

[clear kindle]

in the early days, you don't really have the money to upgrade your inventory, so you have to run home often to unload in order to continue getting more items, so, tending to a garden while you are at home dropping things off is the time to check for weeds/water. also, you can fish from your own pond, so even if they arrived too early to tend at 6am, it's not a complete waste

my early days was nothing but tomatoes, literally. at one point i had 81 crops of tomatoes running, then switched to rows of tomatoes and potatoes for water retain

[slow flame]

Hi Everyone! I'm back to playing after a hiatus. Do glow worms not make speed gro fertilizer anymore?

[ocean jay]

Speed-Gro got nerfed this latest patch (1.8.0)

You can only buy it from the Guild Store now.

[slow flame]

Awe lame 😭 okay thank you!

[analog pond]

It might be worth keeping some achievements back for when they eventually add more things to buy with renown as there is a limit of 1000

[wary finch]

hm, didn't it got raised to 2000 with the patch, I am not certain, but think I read something like this in the patch notes.

[uncut vortex]

It's capped at 9999 now

[frigid gate]

Yeah they raised it but there's still nothing to spend it on

Is the lack of being able to make lettuce seeds from the seeds we got for father's day an oversight or intentional?

Not that we can really use the lettuce for anything yet I don't think

[exotic inlet]

New inbox

[long orbit]

Ive been farming carrots and now I have x515 one stared carrot seeds

does stared items sell for more?

[scarlet birch]

yes!

[worthy kayak]

hey hi is it possible to remove a crop after planting?

nvm right click with hoe

[wary finch]

@long orbitthere are 3 factors which increase the value output of your farm - firstly harvest boost adds 50% more produce, secondly star quality is about 50% higher in value, thirdly processed most produce add another 50% of value - and because these are all independent factors, they don't add up but are multiplicative - so their total effect is 1.5x1.5x1.5 = 3.375 - so if you use all these factors, then you increased the value output of your garden more than 3-fold.

[wary finch]

So, I transitioned my 5 apple tree strip into a 6 apple trees, 4 blueberry strip, with the trees planted in a 2hrs timely distance in order to achieve a true "apples every other hour" stream without pauses in between. This is my layout for this strip https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACrBkA-AABAABAAO-BAABAABkAA-ABBABBAOBk-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBAOBkA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgoI made a photo yesterday showing what my house looks like currently - the entrance area isn't done yet though. On the right side are my jars and the outdoor barbie in a pavillion, the strip is located on the right side of the house in north-south direction and I tend to craft in the outdoor corner section on the right hand side of the house.

[misty ridge]

Hello!
Has anyone harvested their lettuce yet? If so, do you have any info how much focus/gold/etc it gives?

[floral talon]

Yeay but havent looked yet

[solar wing]

Starred lettuce gives 135 Focus, and is 82 Gold - not sure on unstarred as I'm taking this from a SS from Reddit haha

[misty ridge]

Thanks!

[ocean jay]

Lettuce also seems to give 2 crops normally, 3 if Harvest Boost is on it.

Now, I know it's not the most efficient layout, but this is what I did with my farm:
So, the middle strip of grain is the only thing that I don't harvest. Why? Because I'm a bit lazy. Here's why:
I use it as a weed strip. Once all of the weeds wind up there, I don't have to worry about weeding any more. It is also a permanent Harvest boost for the surrounding trees. After they're mature, I don't have to water it any more either. So, 2-in-1 use for that middle strip.
Sure, I'm missing out on those 9 squares for revenue, but all-told, I think it's value in not having to weed the other squares is awesome. 2 fertilizers in 1 😄
The cabbage and potatoes get pickled, then tossed into the worm/glow worm bins to increase profit, while the apples get turned into jam.
Pity they nerfed apple jam in 1.8.0, though, as it made more money before :/

[stable finch]

This is a layout I've used for awhile now. It's been fairly efficient and I've had no problem maintaining it. The only things that have changed for me are the bok choy and napa cabbage, otherwise it used to be more potato heavy. This is for food and money though. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TROCBkPTSpSp-WPWCbCoCbCoCrCo-ORTPBkCBBT-CrSpSpCBkTCrBB-AAAAAAAAA-BBCrTBkCSpSpCr-TBBCBkPTRO-CoCrCoCbCoCbWPW-SpSpTPBkCORT

[ocean jay]

Heck, I used to have just 9 apple trees before the nerf and made much more money :/

[hollow merlin]

is anyone else unable to water lettuce? I recorded a clip for a bug report but wanna know if anyone has troubleshot and found what's wrong yet

[reef latch]

Where yall getting lettuce from 👀

[ocean jay]

No, I watered it once, then the potatoes kept them hydrated after that.

[foggy quarry]

Greetings all. So I started playing this game online off of the website but didn't stick around very long. I've come back recently and was curious what's a simple crop to grow just for income? I have been doing tomatoes since I believe that is what everyone was doing at the start but skimming through this chat I'm seeing there's a lot more involved in gardening. I'm just trying to keep it simple and not turn it into math class lol tomatoes thing to work pretty well for me, just selling the seeds but I know there are a lot more crops out there so wasn't sure if I was really gimping myself

[hollow merlin]

It was a father's day reward for longging in yesterday - gave us 5 seeds. There is no recipe for them, nor can you make new seeds (unless the seed thing is a bug I'm having)

[floral talon]

first of all if ur doing tomatoes turning em into pickled tomatoes in the jarmaker is both easier and more money but yeay theres ltos of plants u can try to do bokchoi is actually hte most profitable turn into seeds if ur seedmakers cant keep up sell directly but its kinda annoying ooh and always harvest boost things by other plants or fertiliser

[reef latch]

oh look at that! didnt even notice 😄

[foggy quarry]

Ok thanks, I'll try with the pickled tomatoes first since I'm already doing them and start gathering some bok choy to give that a shot as well. I have five seed machines I'm currently running for the tomatoes

[floral talon]

u cant really do farming wrong anyways unless u just dont harvest boost or something silly also ur gonna be at least 80% efficient aslong as u use ur head a little

[foggy quarry]

You also mentioned planting next to others, I see people arranging their plots in a large square pattern, does that give you a boost in harvesting?

[floral talon]

that moment when u have to wlak to zeki cuz ur sel bin is full

[floral talon]

ur smart enought o ask questions so il, tell u all theres to know also what ur level currently

[foggy quarry]

My gardening is 13 I believe, I'm not at the computer right now but I believe that's where it is

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb ok so this single layout gives some examples of what u should do at lwoer levels

shows how u can chain same buff plants to make everything be buffed and gives some starter patterns that u can repeat for ur entire layout

[scenic tundra]

Wait they gave us a new seed packet? I was in the middle of a remodel and I threw them in my inventory then when I went through it I sold them because I thought they were Napa cabbage oh no!!!

[floral talon]

ur like nr 12 or osmething that did that now in this chat

[scenic tundra]

What?

Ohhhhh I’m sorry I get it. I’m so sad

[floral talon]

itsok i kept my lettuce so i can turn into seeds whent hat becomes possible and gift em to unfortunates like u though i only have one unstared lettuce

[scenic tundra]

No I understand it’s very nice to offer. It was my mistake trying to build the darn grand harvest house I over filled my pockets and accidentally picked up my chests so I started selling everything 😓

I really thought it was Napa cabbage j😭

[analog osprey]

Is the "weed strip" thing a bug?

[ocean jay]

Unfortunately, you can't make seeds with 'em yet ^_^;;;

[ocean jay]

No, I just leave any weeds that spawn on that centre strip, then eventually- after weeding everyting else- they'll all spawn in that centre strip. Though, due to people "helping", I've had to re-do that a few times. Eventually, I just made a "cover" for that part of the garden so people won't see the weeds and go right for them when visiting ^_^;;

[analog osprey]

Very clever @ocean jay! So gardens have a maximum of 9 weeds?

[ocean jay]

That's what I've found, anyways. Though I won't be surprised of they nerf that too, increasing the number of weeds that can spawn XD

• Can't let players have it too easy, now can they?

[floral talon]

😮 niuce we can asbuse this for easier afk

[frail escarp]

The weed plot tech! Been a while since I've seen it mentioned but is a v interesting approach. Get yourself a plot and try to grow all 9 weeds, so you don't have to worry about weeding.

There's an issue with it though that could prevent you from enjoying its AFKability, lemme try pulling up that notice by Milk

Here, on the right side of the image. Not sure if this issue still exists or if it occurs consistently.

Also some players may weed your plot to mess with you, which ruins the setup. That's a problem you can handle however you like

[clear kindle]

i felt when i tried the weed plot trick, even though my weeds were scattered around the apple trees didn't grow properly. they felt like they never produced apples after the first harvest

[frail escarp]

Yeah, I guess that's why it's not as popular of an approach. I heard some people's gardens travel back in time when messing with weed plots

Though if it works for Altaea then maybe there's a trick to it

[analog osprey]

Okay, thanks for the info @frail escarp & @ocean jay!
This explains why it took me so long to finish the "harvest 1000 weeds" achievement.

[twilit inlet]

I also accidently sold the lettuce seeds but Im not worried because im sure once we get the ability to process the lettuce into seeds and jars we will get the option to buy them somehow.

[floral talon]

remember how hard apples and blueberrys were to get for many poeple REMEMBER

[twilit inlet]

no not really. i got my apple seed from zeki coin on my second day lmao

[floral talon]

lucky

[ocean jay]

Yes, just picking the weeds every day until the only weeds that are spawned are the ones in the middle strip. It can take a long time to do, and I had to build a scaffolding to hide the weeds from guests, as they picked them a few times. But. It is very useful to have, especially since I only need to plant, water the 1st time, then harvest.

[crude pelican]

wdym they nerfed it? I didnt read anything about it ;_; dont tell me i've been making jam for nothing

[ocean jay]

Sorry, they nerfed how the worm bins work. Apple jam in a regular worm bin no longer produces worms + Harvest Boost fertilizer. Only that crappy (pun intended) quality boost now.

[crude pelican]

oh kajshdjsh

[ocean jay]

They also changed the trees from speed gro to harvest boost.

Anyways, putting the apple jam into any worm bin now results in a loss.

That's why I did the above layout. The extra veggies are there for harvest boost + watering. I then turn the produce into pickles, then into fertilizer and worms and sell the lot of them, as using the fertilizer isn't worth it.

[floral talon]

for fertiliser u now need to do a little bit of fishing using lysses method

[primal sage]

is this considered the best money making farm?

i saw this in previous chat history. I’m just looking for a farm that solely helps me in earning more gold

[humble vale]

Could anyone tell if this is good or bad layout/gardening plan? I preserve all the stuff I get, and then feed it all to the worm farms. I have 6 preserve jars, then I have 6 glow worm farms and 2 regular worm farms.

[clear kindle]

it's hard to say "best" because it depends on the player. because if a garden layout works for you, you're able to progress the growth of the garden, and you have enough crafters to process the crops, and it gives you the money that you need, it's a good layout for money

[clear kindle]

similar to mine, but if you swap two of the non-apple sections (move the wheat/corn/rice to where the tomatoes/potatoes are) you won't need the harvest boost fert

[primal sage]

do people mainly put the bok choy into seed makers or preserve jars?

i have about 10 preserve jars atm and 5 seed makers and i could make more. I’m just looking for the ideal money making farm and i’ll do what’s necessary to maintain it

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-RTRWPWRTR-AAAAAAAAA-TPTRWRTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPTRWRTPT-AAAAAAAAA-RTRWPWRTR-AAAAAAAAA

[humble vale]

I'm also looking the most profitable way to garden with smallest effort

[humble vale]

wow nice

[clear kindle]

again, it's entirely up to you, does the farm work for you? i don't know your play style. for example if you play 3 hours a day and can keep up with the bok choy, then it works and makes money. but on the flip side of that, if you went with apples trees as shown in the other layouts after your comment, you would have to play for 4 days before you see the first harvest as apples take 12 hours to produce

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TBkTPOPTBkT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkOBkTPTBkOBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkOBkTPTBkOBk-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TBkTPOPTBkT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H this is my actual garden

[frigid forum]

someone on here shared a spreadsheet made by Aqajj that can be used to calculate what's best for each type (make sure you make your own copy of it). You can find the spreadsheet and video explanation here, in case you are interested in seeing the spreadsheet and understanding what it means: https://aqajj.net/pages/palia-notes

It's definitely one of the many ways to look at how to make profits.

[fallen juniper]

does harvest fert stack on top of harvest boost from crop? like does it multiply result or am i just wasting fert?

[floral talon]

nope a crop either has the buff or it doesnt
it wont use fertiliser if it gets the same buff from a crop though

[fallen juniper]

gotcha

[merry ferry]

How do I plant a spicy pepper? It keeps saying that the plot is not empty

[floral talon]

it needs 4 plots

[merry ferry]

Thank you!!

[untold monolith]

Has anyone gardened flowers for selling?

[wary finch]

@primal sagetry it out, then you will experience what the trouble is with this kind of garden.

to make the seeds for this layout takes 16.8 hrs, but you get new bok choy every 3hrs, you will need alone for reseeding in time therefore 6 seeders working in parallel and then you have still not seeded or preserved anything for profit yet

[foggy quarry]

so from this layout, what do you sell? and do you sell the items direct, or seed, pickle?

[primal sage]

do you have a better money making layout you could recommend? i remember seeing you mention the strip method layout? but im not sure if that was focused on making more gold

[wary finch]

the strip is for level 25+

and it requires quite a lot of jars

[primal sage]

i think i’m only lvl 13 gardening right now, with only 10 preserve jars

[wary finch]

the strip is a money making machine, but it requires care, it is not an afk layout

[slow flame]

Where can I see the layout?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb this is one layout with example patterns pick one to ur liking(for all ur soils) change out maybe cabbage or potatoe for tomatoe or something use whatever combo of harvest boosting crops u like

[primal sage]

how many jars would i need to start doing the strip one? could i also ask why does it require me to be lvl 25? and when you said care, do you mean consistently getting rid of weed and watering?

[primal sage]

thank you! i’ll check it out

[wary finch]

i am using this currently, 6 apples 4 berry bushes, and run it with 24 jars, 2 seeders, 2 worm farms, 2 utility crafters https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACrBkA-AABAABAAO-BAABAABkAA-ABBABBAOBk-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBAOBkA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA

at 14-15 ticks

[slow flame]

Why in a strip like that?

[primal sage]

can i ask why the middle row is mainly empty?

[primal sage]

what does this mean?

[wary finch]

because I wanted 6 apple trees with a timely distance of 2 hrs, where I get a steady stream of apples every other hour,and this way I can control better, in which phase the whole garden is.

[floral talon]

u can start using something else when ur level gets high enough that not having hte quality boost from cotton isnt a huge problem (unles u get it from spice in the meantime or do some blueberrys or apples to get a stash of seeds on a subpart of ur layout) u can change out water retain plants for weedblocker once u have a decent watering can like exquisite though i wouldnt go weedblocker early in game since whack 1k weeds ahcivements giving renown

[wary finch]

14-15hrs time investment per rl day - or at least log inthat often and advance the garden

[slow flame]

I didn't realise how complicated gardening could be. I just want something fairly easy that provides a steady income

[floral talon]

lys only actually has to log in 8 times per day login before growth tick water weed wait a min till growth tick do the same logout wait for abit less then 2h

[wary finch]

this has steady 64.8k per rl day

[primal sage]

why does the gardening level matter? what does it affect? sorry i’m still clueless on that haha. I have the exquisite watering can too

[floral talon]

chance of star seeds it gets higher each level in very beginning u dont even start with star seeds so u definitly want quality up things also uneed tons of cotton for sheets at lv 25 star seed sis only star produce at lv 38 normal seeds also only star produce but it scales linearly

[wary finch]

@floral talonyeah I do something like this, but not always

[primal sage]

as for the middle rows that are empty, do i just copy the similar layouts beside it?

[wary finch]

and when I take a break, I do it after not gaining apples,that when I come back, I have immediately apples

[floral talon]

yeay oits tricky to time it right then but i was merely pointing out the possibility

also i can now report on my hardcore bokchoi experience

[wary finch]

I actually don't care that much about timing anymore, I can just do a few hours more on weekends and it is all good, with about half a million income per week nothing is really urgent.

[floral talon]

spending it becomes urgent

[wary finch]

yeah,but I have still to buy 3 more plots to unlock the gazebo, and I want to build something on each of those as well, I get the money out the door for now, don't worry

like 3 kind of forestries, pines, oaks, juniper trees

each get a harvest house where my barbie normally is, the barbie is center in the background in a pavilion and on the left side is space for a crafting area in a pavilion.

and the rest in the foreground is forestry area.

[floral talon]

barbie?

[wary finch]

outdoor bbq

we have them like everywhere in australia, public barbies, because it is forbidden to have open fire in nature, so we have those natural gas powered public barbies everywhere. They look like this and even people use them, they are spotless https://ds.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/park-barbecue804.jpeg

[floral talon]

must be aussie slang to cal babyques barbies

[kind pasture]

are the new lettuce seeds bugged?

[foggy quarry]

like the term shrimp on the barbie

[floral talon]

the saying is babyqueing those meat

dahell who calls barbeques barbies thats just silly

especially since u technically use a grill

[wary finch]

yeah we have lots of short cuts and special words or words which have different meanings to the rest of the world like "thongs", this is not the undergarment of a woman.

[foggy quarry]

just depends where you live. ive heard of barbie, i have never seen the term babyqueing 😉

[floral talon]

gues it must be localised and dont worry im not trashtalking poeple (poeple often think im bullying them when im still in nice mode ...)

[wary finch]

it is pretty simple why we have those barbies, most of the continent has (where it is not just a desert) eucalyptus trees, and when they get dry in the hotter seasons, they can easily catch fire. They are full of etheric eucalptus oil, which evaporates in the fire, mixes with fresh air (sucked in by the fire column) and then this mixture explodes, distributing burning embers over a wide area. This is why bush fires and forest fires are so violently expanding very quickly.

...and why it is forbidden to have an open fire in nature.

[stable finch]

I pickle everything and then just save what's needed for chappa masala

[spiral robin]

i think someone asked a while ago about farming flowers for gold, has anyone crunched those numbers?

[topaz jetty]

I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out how to get another plot to garden. Can anyone help?

[reef lichen]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Soil

max is 9 tho

[topaz jetty]

Ok thanks so much. I did look at wiki but not in the right area apparently

[floral talon]

wouldnt that make it so u better not have any fires outside?

[wary finch]

this is what the law says - if you want to have an open fire by a good reason, you need to apply for a permit to do so.

those barbies are natural-gas powered, there is no open fire, it is inside those barbies.

[floral talon]

so bbqs are somehow not considered a fire hazard interesting

[floral talon]

oh so no charcoal/wood ones and strangely if they are by ur house and gas anyways not replaced by electric

[floral talon]

where i life poeple did host world biggest bonfire things and ended up raining burning charcoal all over an entire city man australia sure is different

[wary finch]

well at home is a different thing, that is not open nature.

[floral talon]

but if ur not using charcoal u might aswell use an oven or grill

[wary finch]

we have as well no private fireworks at new years eve by that reason, there is just public fireworks.

[clear kindle]

wish we had no private fireworks/sparklers where i live. dang things keep me up at night when they are used because they are practically going off right outside my window, and i have to go to work the following day

[wary finch]

new years eve is in summer here, where those trees are dry and would burn like tinder.

[floral talon]

lys aint u supposed to ask my about my bokchoi adventures?

[wary finch]

I just assume you managed well, you are crazy enough to get it done 🙂

so how has it been going then?

[floral talon]

i canceled it cuz its super tedious

[wary finch]

yeah, I imagined that, when I caculated it for you.

[floral talon]

the gainz are ok but u just spend sooo much time dumping stuff into seedcolelctors

and it kept breaking my watering can so i kept having to run to sifuus house

[wary finch]

you don't have an exquisite watering can?

[floral talon]

that thing wears down fast if u have to water everything nonstop

[wary finch]

that is why I repair immediately after watering, it cannot break this way.

[floral talon]

i mean i made sure it didnt break but the nonstop repiars

[wary finch]

quite normal, takes me about 120-150 repair kits every rl day.

[floral talon]

anyways my sotrage kept getting ufll of produce to cuz like once i can play again after a long day i empty the collectors and stuff new things in but the emptying fills up the entire sell bin my storage and my inventory

[wary finch]

well, that is including the fishing rod though.

[floral talon]

btw ig ot a plushy yesterday yey me

[wary finch]

with my layout the last 2 trees can eventually be discarded, if I need to plant something else, that area is easy to utilize in a different way and it would still leave me with 4-5 trees

[floral talon]

im now going back to potatoe cabbage setups

[wary finch]

simple gardens are not bad, if managed properly - they are just undervalued, imo.

and why not run different gardens, that is part of the fun to experiment with those.

time for my morning fishing, want to catch a few cloudfish and possibly a giant goldfish or at least stalking catfish.

[floral talon]

any chance u can catch me a flametongue ray

[wary finch]

not in my pond.

[floral talon]

i did many tries for so many fishes

lys how did u plan on getting more bbqs instead of campfires cuz as far as i know u can only get one from a quest

[wary finch]

I have just 1 campfire per plot, I don't want to make mistakes while grilling, so I do those one after the other.

was not that successful this morning, 6 stalking catfish,rest just normal 100g fish.

my "barbies" are basically fully equipped outdoor kitchens

hm, I have normally kalima wheat planters in the rear corners, those are missing there.

I like those industrial dining tables for that purpose (gets me the craft uncommon furniture achievement as well).

[minor ember]

OMG! I sold my lettuce seeds thinking they were Napa Cabbage seeds! 😭

[wary finch]

I put mine immediately in the lock box to not do something like this by accident.

[floral talon]

13 ur nr 13 now

[minor ember]

Smart! I was in a hurry and needed to clear some storage so I dumped a bunch of seeds into the shipping bin. I didn't realize it until today when I wanted to plant them! 😭

[wary finch]

I guess we will get the opportunity to get more at a later time, currently they do nothing really, but they have a quite high value for a single spot crop.

I accidently sold apple seeds thinking those are tomato seeds -since that mistake my apple seeds are in the lock box too.

argh, I meant you @minor ember

[wary finch]

my preserve and crafting area and in the background to the right side, the strip with 6 apple trees and 4 berry bushes

[fading island]

oh, you've been talking about The Strip. It's nice to see it!

I'm hunting for a layout for my wife. She loves hot peppers and hates gardening. (So 100% water/weed would be cool). Any gurus able to help whip a layout up?

I play with the garden planner but am big dumbs. lol

[opal sentinel]

Honestly the fact that so many people mistook the lettuce for cabbage is an indication (or should be) to the devs that they need to rework the seed bag sprite a little for the lettuce so it's more obviously different. Even knowing it's lettuce I still confuse myself with them in my storage.

[fading island]

Since its relatively useless, I put mine in the lockbox and will deal with them once they have content. You're not wrong though.

[tawny ore]

they tweaked the apple/ tomato ones which used to be more similar too, so it's certainly possible! I don't think the lettuce was intended for prime time yet, though, so it might not even be a finished icon

[fading island]

This is the best I could manage for water retain + weed prevention for a pepper farm. I have to add weed prevention to four bok choy and the center tomato, as well as water to the center tomato.

I'd like some input or better ideas though 🙂 As long as the focus is water retention/weed block / hot peppers 😄

[long orbit]

whats the best combo for a 9x6 zone

[copper valley]

has anyone figured out a layout that gives more money than the old 4 apple/4 blueb?

[copper valley]

didnt put much thought into it other than trying to max on apples with water+weed, since harvest fert is easy to come by now

[slow flame]

Can someone tell me what to put in worm farms for quality fert?

[pallid latch]

Apple Jams

[copper valley]

you can also do sweet leaf for something quicker to farm

[slow flame]

The only thing I don'tlike about preserves is how long they take. Seems like it's quite a slow income

[floral talon]

Glowworm fish grilled

[open olive]

I came up with a 100% water + 100% weed protected farm with 5x apple trees, which I think turned out quite nicely and is easy to maintain.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-TPCOCoOCPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCOCoOCPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCOCoOCPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPCOCoOCPT-AAAAAAAAA

I'm new here, so no idea if something like this has already been shared before

[floral talon]

a welcome addition but do not forget the harvest boost on the apples
also i personally see osme usecase issues with it:
the point of both weedblock and water retain combined tends to be that u can go out and explore while not having to return much but
ur harvest times are almost nonstop at 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 12 ruining the away from plot part abit so i would personalyl use cabbage instead of tomatoes and bokboi instead of onions if hte goal is to be away from plot 3 5 6 9 10 12 far less times u gotto go back and harvest XD

unles of course u want to have onions and tomatoes but thats less afk
and if u dont need hte quality up from cotton or cotton itself anymore u can harvest boost 4 extra potatoes by swapping em out for corn

[open olive]

yes, the 1x1 crops can be replaced with their longer-riping counterparts, which is why I like this design - it's flexible

also, cotton can be replaced with any 1x1 crop, or left empty, it's compeltely flexible yet also 100% water/weed protected

[slow flame]

I might try that out! Thanks. That's a lot of apples though, are you putting them all into preserves? How many preservers do you have?

[open olive]

for now putting most of them into preserves for apple jams (after making sure I have at least 5 quality seeds to replant the trees), to feed the jams to glow worms. Only have 2 preserve barrels but this of course can be expanded since 2 can't keep up with so many apples haha

I might start baking a lot of apple pies, not sure yet

[slow flame]

I'm new to this whole farming thing but where's the profit coming in at if you're putting the jams into glow wormers?

[open olive]

glow worms for rare fishies - I'm doing this to complete the remaining quests, but you can do it for profit too if you like fishing. It also gives a ton of fertilizer so you can dump it all over your farm 🙂

[slow flame]

Makes sense. I make most of my income from fishing so I might have to follow what you're doing. Glow worms are always nice to have and I get through them very quickly

[jade pagoda]

Do Grown crops stil provide their bonuses to adjacent tile (like cotton increasing quality) if you dont harvest them

[pallid latch]

Yes

[jade pagoda]

sweeeeet

[slow flame]

Final question, how many glow worms per apple jam do you get?

[open olive]

normal quality apple jam - 2x glow worms, star quality apple jam - 3x glow worms

so 1x quality apple --> 1x quality jam --> 3x glow worms, that's what I'm doing atm

[wary finch]

yeah nah, why do it efficiently, if it can be done slow and inefficiently as well? - grilled quality fish to get glow worms.

even the lousiest grilled fish caught with glow worms would get you 4 worms, starred 6 and any quality fish is then really boosting it, up to 73/368 for a really high value grilled fish.

and check if you really get 3 worms, afaik the rounding method has changed and 144/50 might be rounded down to 2.

in this case you get 50g in form of worms for your jam plus 80g in form of fertilizer - result 130g, less than your apple jam was worth before. And even if you would get 3 worms, then you would have 155g value instead, but I think you are just getting 2 worms for your apple jam now.

[floral talon]

i think worm farming is now ment for producing its items and not as profit maker

[wary finch]

exactly

the profit is in fishing with those worms.

[floral talon]

profit i just try to fill up bundles and the collect em all achivement

[open olive]

I'm getting 3 glow worms for quality apple jam

[floral talon]

but what do u end up using ur worms for and the fish u get from fishing with em

[open olive]

using glow worms as bait, catching fishes for quests (maybe later for profit). If you don't want worms, it's probably better to sell apple jam or bake apple pie for focus / sell if you get too much

[wary finch]

ok this has been in discussion for a while, because something with rounding has changed.

I sell pretty much all apple jam, but it is as well a quite good focus source -so I keep like 20 to 30 in inventory and sell the rest.

[floral talon]

i swear at some point u gotto do cake partys to keep up with ur focus cconsumption

[wary finch]

yeah, it is bearable because I have not that much xp boost yet and a 700 focus bar.

nah it's 750 even.

[floral talon]

i only upgrade my focus bar now cuz i struggle to keep up with consumption

[wary finch]

I upgraded it to that, because I have been using a lot of 375 focus food.

[hardy flax]

does anyone have a layout that includes every single crop? i want to include the lettuce

[wary finch]

you cannot make seeds for lettuce yet

[hardy flax]

oh :c

[floral talon]

is their no recipe or will putting into seedcollector also not do anything? mh il try once my seed colelctors stop being busy

[wary finch]

my 3 seeders are busy with bok choy and berries, don't want to interrupt those.

i guess my strip is still not the final version, it is ok, but somewhat boring.

[quick ginkgo]

Yeah you can’t put the lettuce in the seed maker I tried and it won’t even highlight on my menu

[floral talon]

tnx now i dont have to test it

[wary finch]

don't really think I'll get in trouble with that, I have 19x24 jam every day, jam has 300+ focus, this is about 137k focus, I cannot run out of focus.

[floral talon]

but its so money inefficient and ur gonna need cooking lv for achivement at some point

[wary finch]

well, money is certainly not one of my problems with this garden.

[floral talon]

for now il just consume my excessive stockpiles of food whcih i got from cooking with others for ahcivement saves storage space to

[wary finch]

I'm not down talking cooking parties, I think they are great, but not really for me, I might cook with a friend or two maybe, for a little while, but certainly not for an hour or more.

24 or 48 apples are coming in every other hour with my layout, I have a steady stream of that stuff, I sell most of the jam, but why not as well using it as focus source.

I planted the berries just the same, so there is as well a steady stream of berries without long pauses.

and it is as well quickly processed, last came in 48 apples and 18 berries and some corn, so I run 18 times (berry, apple, apple) and 6 times (corn,apple,apple) - and when the last apple is in progress the next bunch of apple will be coming in, likely as well with berries and some bok choy.

at some point stuff will pile up, that is the signal then to have a break, and put all the excess in my jars and have a break

or just throw 40 apples in my seeders and run just 8 times (apple, other, other) and 16 times (whatever)

and in case I really want to play more, I can run 30 jars as well for a while.

[slow flame]

Hmm, reading above I guess I'll stick to grilling quality fish for the glow worms

[floral talon]

not sure what hte profit is of worming appleyam butn us ure need far less crafter on grilled fish

[slow flame]

Have you shared your garden layout @wary finch ?

[bleak abyss]

hey guys growing some rare untextured lettuce no big deal

[agile stag]

Hi ! Does this seem like a okay layout? Im wanting to do a very laid-back farm that requires little interaction, so the less work the better, but I also want to have atleast one of everything. Can this be improved in any way? The only annoyances atm are just the weeds and replanting lol

[floral talon]

whats ur goal for your layout?

cuz while alot of the 3 rows of some crop are easier to plant they dont give out their perk to themselves

[agile stag]

II want everything to auto-water itself and not be in too much of a complex pattern, and I want 1 of everything. i dont mind having to weed stuff evvery once in a while but id like to avoid it

[floral talon]

so u basically want to use it as a grocery store that has everything available and preferably without weeding to (water retain makes total sense to have)

unfortunately i do not own any everything designs

[unkempt grail]

has anyone else had issues with harvest boost fertilizer? Bc I've used it a lot on my apple trees and I still only get 16 apples

[floral talon]

il check whats upw ith that give me a moment finishign something else

[teal yew]

Anyone else SUPER annoyed that we have to purchase SpeedyGro fertilizer from Badruu now?!?! I used it ALL the time on my apple trees and blueberry bushes… I had the perfect system for making it with my glow worm farms. Why are they making QualityUp now, when it’s a craftable fertilizer?!

[floral talon]

the last harvest of an apple tree is 6 normally its 16 with harvbest bosot it should be 12 and 24
are you sure u had 9 fertilsier on that apple tree for every growth tick so 12x9 the first time then 6x9 again and again till harvest?

[teal yew]

Someone else created this layout and shared it on FB a few months ago, but it has at least 1 of everything and is 100% water retention.

[agile stag]

yes, tho i can tolerate the weeding and low amounts of food as long as i usually have 1 on hand for recipes and such. not looking for profits too much

[unkempt grail]

I’ve gotten 16 apples from every harvest of every tree no matter how much fertiliser I’ve used so I honestly have no idea but I’ll keep trying with the fertiliser and see what happens

[floral talon]

there were some bugs with fertiliser if u put to muhc on a single soil and it might glitch abit if the tree is on different soils but the latter hsouldnt happen

[eternal prawn]

That is what it is, the lettuce veins.

[coral zephyr]

Is there a Gardening 101 Slideshow? I need an explanation on how fertilizer works and why I have to refertizile everyday

[floral talon]

water retain and weedblock be like we work once per dose also u can stack fertiliser on the same tile
harvest boost works a little bit more complciated but u basically want every crop to have it 100% of the time regardless of it coming from fertiliser or a crop

[coral zephyr]

I always use quality boost and harvest boost and they don't stay fertilized, so is what's the process, do I need to fertilize everyday for a good outcome or do I just need to fertilize right before I harvest for the same outcome?

[floral talon]

every growth stage it needs it on the growth tick to get the perk otherwise with harvest and quality up u get a amount of growth ticks applied/total growthticks till harvest chance of it aplying

[clear kindle]

you need to have the fertilizers on at every growth stage (so if you are doing carrots that take four days you need 4-5 fertilizer to get the benefit from it

[floral talon]

so just make sure it always has it wether it comes from fertiliser or a crop next to it (though at higher levels quality up stops being usefull)

[coral zephyr]

Hmmm cuz I was experimenting with my apple trees, and if the apples were ready I threw down quality boost and the majority of apples were star quality

[floral talon]

that should be level based though but maybe u can cheese it by aplying at last moment although ur gardening lv also increases the odds

[clear kindle]

if your level in gardening is near or at level 25, you will always get star apples from star seeds. i noticed that a majority of my crops were starred around level 15

[floral talon]

and at lv38 normal crops stop existing yey

[coral zephyr]

Yeah I feel like cheesing it has been working so I wondered if always applying it was a waste

But I didn't know the specific mechanics enough to prove it

[clear kindle]

so, once you are at level 25, quality boost is basically worthless if you are using star seeds (which you should be)

[floral talon]

yeay ud only grow spice or cotton at that point aswell for self use and never for its perk and u just sell most quality up and keep some around incase u need to gift it or something

[coral zephyr]

I'm only lvl 17

Which item makes speedgro fertiziler

[clear kindle]

badruu's guild coins

[floral talon]

84% chance for each produce from a star seed to turn out starred

[clear kindle]

nothing in fertilizers make speedgrow they changed it during the last update

[coral zephyr]

Noooooooo

So sad

[clear kindle]

and apples and blueberries give harvest boost instead of speed boost

[floral talon]

speedy grow is also bugged and super unreliable though some poeple can use it to tryhard their crop gainz

[coral zephyr]

Yeah cuz I was putting in blueberries and didn't get speed boost anymore so I was confused

[floral talon]

it now gives harvest boost which is the nr1 most usefull boost

[coral zephyr]

I use corn strategically placed to get all my crops harvest boosted so I don't need it

[wary finch]

@slow flameyeah, I did, several times - my goal was to get apples every other day instead of in big chunks with long waits in between - so I planted 6 apple trees (and their associated berry bushes) with a timely distance of 2hrs one after the other, in order to get after the initial growth of all 6 trees from that time on apples every other hour and avoid longer waits by it.https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACrBkA-AABAABAAO-BAABAABkAA-ABBABBAOBk-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBAOBkA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA

I'm not saying it would be the best layout ever, it is just one that works well for what I made it for.

This said, I might sometime in future return to my old garden shape with an "apples nearly every other hour" planting scheme and 5 trees with a little more variety - all these gardens are ok for my purpose and I am happy with everyone of those https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-C.HBkAOCrACWA-AAOAABkAAA-BBABBAAAA-AABkAACAABk-NNNNNNNNN-BkAAOAAWAA-ARAABkAACBk-AAT.WAACbPCr.WP-CrAABkAACAA-ABBABBAOBk

The strip provides a lot more weed (with 70% of the field being unprotected), which is good for getting the associated achievements.

[wary finch]

well or maybe I do a 7 apples 12 corn strip, there are plenty of equally valid options. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-CrAACrAACrAA-AAAAAAAAA-ACrAACrAACrA-AAAAAAAAA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA-PCrATCrACbCrA-AABkAACAABk

[devout willow]

Was anyone able to grow the salade we received, mine doesn’t grow, can’t even give water

[wary finch]

someone said star quality lettuce would be 90g, so he/she must have grown it.

[tepid plaza]

is there any way to buy more garden after reaching out the max from the farmer

[wary finch]

no, 9 plots is maximum

the way to increase your income 3 fold is via having everything in star quality, harvest boosted and post harvest processed properly.

those 9 plots can generate a lot of money, but it takes as well the infrastructure in place (seeders, preserve jars) to get the most out of it.

[ornate epoch]

what's the best crop to start out with to make money?

[wary finch]

what you need is something what gets you quality produce and quality seed for replants and you need in the course of your progress as well a lot of fabric, made from cotton and cotton quality boosts other crop so my suggestion is a cotton garden - all plots are the same, so arrange them how you like https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-NNNNNNNNN-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC-RCoCWCoOCrCoC

quality adds 50% and harvest boost as well 50%, so it more than doubles the value output of your garden over time.

[wary finch]

Quite interesting, what a huge impact available playtime has - like when I run something near or at max possible (somewhere around 15 ticks it is with my setup) and would reduce the amount of ticks by 5 (i.e a 33.33% reduction) the income goes down by 45-50%, because I am unable to fully utilize the available crafter park.

But I am still at work, trying to find something what operates near maximum but requires just 10-12 ticks per day. Not near max income ofc, this would require to put in the hours, but at max utilization of crafters.

Still income will go down by this - will maybe be around 300k per week instead of half a million.

that kinda hurts, when a 20-25% reduction in time investment leads to 40% less income.

[wary finch]

oh, my estimation is quite close, just calculated my strip with minor changes, it would get an income of 282,016g per week with 72 ticks (little bit more than 10/day) - this isn't revenue, but actual profit.

why 72 ticks - because I can perma-speed-boost 7 nappa cabbage like this.

nappa cabbage has the advantage of being flexible - regardless if I throw it in a seeder or in a jar,it will create the same outcome money-wise.

(and cabbage rolls are nice as focus food as well)

so roughly 40k/rl day with 10 ticks, that's decent.

still, I run it currently at 75k, it is quite a difference

nearly 50% less with 34% time reduction, that hurts

[cobalt jackal]

Is there actually a tip on how to safely get Flow Tree Seeds at the Galdur statue?

[floral talon]

Maybe inventory filling with one slot for each flow seed

[cobalt jackal]

thank you!

[hollow gull]

Can’t put the new lettuce into a seed maker 🤔🤔🤔

[cobalt jackal]

new#?

[wary finch]

we got 5 seeds from s6

[west crown]

Is the lettuce used for anything?

[floral talon]

NO

[west crown]

K, I'm selling the seeds for 5 bank spaces, then. It's a bit late for April Fools.

[mint sandal]

They're pribably gonna do something with it in the next update. It wasn't an April's Fools prank, they gave it to us with other seeds to celebrate Father's day

[jagged elbow]

how do you guys have your plots set up for max amount of gold production?

[west crown]

That's cool. I don't have any use for non-star-quality seeds.

This is my setup. It has very high money output but you need a lot of seed makers and preserves jars. I have 12 and 16 of them.

You can swap the corn for rice or wheat if you like.

[jagged elbow]

ive noticed preserves sell for the same amount of gold as noormal crops, corect?

[west crown]

That's not correct. Preserves are worth a lot more.

My wife wanted blueberries so I made a version with blueberries for her but it takes more harvest boost: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HBkP.HTC.HTPBkR-CBkP.HBBTBBP-C.HTR.HBkP.HBkRTC-AAAAAAAAA-RCBkPT.HPBkCR-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRTC.HTR.HBkP.H-CBBPBBT.HBkC-RBkPTC.HTP.HBkR.H

If there isn't something you like in the chart feel free to swap it, such as tomatoes for the cabbage (lower maintenance).

[jagged elbow]

whattt when i hover over the preserves menu it shows the sewlling price as the same so i havent used my two preserves at all

thank you so much for the info. super helpful to see maps like that

[west crown]

The preserve jars increase the value by 50%. A 96 gold apple turns into a 144 gold apple jam.

[jagged elbow]

crazy i didnt know!!

[west crown]

I like to turn my bok choy and potatoes and rice into seeds. Pretty much everything else becomes jam/pickled.

Also if you aren't endgame yet make sure you make star quality seeds and get rid of your normal ones when you get a chance.

[jagged elbow]

yess at end game so just finishing unlcking recipes and such

[west crown]

Oh, definitely use star quality seeds for everything if you can.

[jagged elbow]

i dont have any normal crops or seeds

thank you SO much for explaning!!

[west crown]

I used to use the 5 tree/4 bush layout but this has better crop variety for recipes in case that's a thing you care about. That one requires a lot of water retention but this layout has 100% weed/water.

[floral talon]

😮 thats the layout i once made nice to see poeple also havign designed the same

[vital lagoon]

Is this new? Or??

[manic meteor]

Nah just a reward for completing that quest.

[vital lagoon]

How can i make more pickles ?_?

[manic meteor]

We can't

[vital lagoon]

😭 Btwn this and lettuce, ima cry.

[manic meteor]

That's the only ones we get.

Lettuce seems to be a goof imo and released early as a mistake but I guess we will find out more sometime from S6 about it.

[vital lagoon]

def released early. cant wait till they fix it up.

[west crown]

I probably copied you. It's a fantastic layout.

[clear kindle]

so, everything except the crops that have harvest boost fert on them are weed/water/harvest boosted?

[west crown]

yes

TBH I stopped harvest boosting them because I have more produce than I can handle w/ 28 machines (12 seed, 16 preserve, smelter + sawmill)

[clear kindle]

what i like about it is that the apples have all three boosts without extra work. i'm getting close to the new gold cap (currently 762,000 with nothing to really spend it on) so i'm thinking that i don't need to have 5 apple trees, especially when i'm hunting and bug catching for plushies

[floral talon]

what a * then u need even more apple trees to stockpile appleseeds as purse limit bypass

[west crown]

There are a few things at Kenyatta's desk you could buy. I've always found ways to throw my money away in-game.

If you decide that you need more apples you can buy SpeedyGro fertilizer from the gardening store (Badruu or the cash register thing at their farm) and grow your apple trees 50% faster.

[clear kindle]

zeki coins were my throw gold at when the cap was 200k. would buy until i was at 198k or 199k and then redo my gold. it will be the same here, but i'll more than likely just store all of the apple jams in the preserve jars when i'm maxed out, and sell on an as need basis

[west crown]

8 of my preserve jars have 30 apples in them. I guess the rest can go toward a cake party or something.

[clear kindle]

my ultimate game plan is to keep doing what i'm doing to get to the 999,999 gold cap. then keep putting apples into the preserve jars and letting them run, but leave everything in them (i have 12 preserve jars) so when one is full it will have 30 apples waiting and then move to the next one. if i need money in the future (new housing recipe, maji market, etc.) i'll have the gold to replace what i've spent plus putting more apples into the preserves

i cleared my preserve jars this morning before work and got 55k from all of them so, kinda think this is a nice game plan for me

[west crown]

There's an achievement for earning 10M. I'm only at 2-3M so far (it doesn't break it down except by the number of millions that you've obtained).

[wary finch]

just that a different garden doesn't make that much less at your skill level.

when you compare raw average, before processing, they are all relatively near to each other and those with lots of apples do not even have the highest raw average.

[floral talon]

~80 of the realistic maximum is what u get by doing whatever with harvestboost so farm what ya like is better then not farming at all

[west crown]

That's what I like about the 4 tree setup in particular: You get an insane amount of harvest boost. You only have to boost a few squares to get everything boosted.

[clear kindle]

it also means that it's, technically, a complete and total afk farm. you can literally plant everything, water once, and then leave it alone for 3-4 hours if you harvest everything since that's when the bok choy and corn will be ready for harvesting

or, if someone's like me and only harvest the apples, can leave the game on, occasionally move your character and continue doing whatever else you need throughout the day for the first 12 hours without worrying about water, weeds or replacing harvest boost fertilizer

[floral talon]

its why i used corn cabbage potatoe bokchoicarrots on the apple layout cuz hten u got far less harvest times aswell

[keen dome]

How many others have at least six glowworm farms?

[floral talon]

you only need 1`

[keen dome]

I like to over fertilize. That way I don't have to do it each time

Just water and go

[wary finch]

I have 2, but @floral talon is correct, one is enough - like last feed for my worms was grilled giant gold fish for the left one (2440g value) and grilled cloudfish for the right one (890g value), those could as well go in 1 farm, 65 glow worms in 2 days is enough to get the next 2 good fish to carry on.

Stalking catfish, the nocturnal fish in the pond is not bad as well, I keep a bunch of those in stock in case I don't want to fish for a while, then I throw stored grilled stalking catfish in my worm farms (600g value each)

less than 60k to go for the 1M earned achievement, so this is up today (character will be 25 days old by then), next goal is the 10M until end of October.

[inner spear]

does anyone have a low maintaince garden layout that has apple trees and blueberry bushes? i'm remaking my garden and i still have 3 apple trees and one blueberry bush still in tact after clearing my garden to start over(i have seeds and stuff)

[daring jetty]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-R.HpC.HpBk.HpB.HpB.HpC.HpB.HpB.HpBk.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-Bk.HpC.HpBk.HpC.HpB.HpB.HpR.HpB.HpB.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-B.HpB.HpR.HpB.HpB.HpC.HpBk.HpC.HpBk.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-Bk.HpB.HpB.HpC.HpB.HpB.HpBk.HpC.HpR.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp

[raw berry]

wouldn't some tomatoes make it more low maintenance coz you don't need to fertilize everyday?

[wary finch]

20% of that garden is quickly growing crop, so why put 81 water retain fertilizer on it every day?

more even

[daring jetty]

carrots/bokchoi/rice gives it an even harvest time every 3 hrs and fits with the harvest of blueberries and apples. water retain fertilizer only takes a couple of seconds. it's lazy for me. though optional.

[wary finch]

ok I see you have that crop synchronized

[inland pewter]

Sharing for the first time, this is a gardening design I designed, with 100% Harvest Boost and 100% Water Retain and 100% Weed Prevention for all crops.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-B.HB.HCB.HB.HOTCbP-P.HCb.HC.HBkT.HCb.HWCoO-BkB.HB.HPB.HB.HCTO-OC.HCbCr.HBkCoPTR-AAAAAAAAA-CrCbBkCoOW.HPC.HP-C.HBk.HOSp.HSp.HP.HSp.HSp.HCb.H-BkTCC.HCbBk.HOR.HP-T.HBk.HT.HO.HSp.HSp.HCb.HSp.HSp.H

[raw berry]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WPCbBkOBkCbPW-BkOPSpSpTSpSpO-CbBkWPOCbWBkP-AAAAAAAAA-WPOCTCOPW-AAAAAAAAA-PBkRCbCCbRBkP-CBBPBBTCBk-RCbPBkCBkPCbR I use this one, you can change the pepper for blueberry and a bunch of others for the same buff they give as well, and have a little of each everytime u harvest

[flat terrace]

hi are there any 7 or 8 garden layouts? I’d like to use the other ones for ingredients

[wary finch]

why not using one of the everything garden layouts in this case?

I mean when you separate 2 plots, you have 6 sides which do not provide any boost, it is basically a waste to separate them.

this is not a critic, you do as you please ofc, just something to consider.

[tawny ore]

i'm still getting back into the swing of things after the fruit changes, but this is my current layout (i wanted everything with a focus on keeping me in chili oil dumplings)

it leaves me two squares to water and a couple lines for weeds, but hopefully all the same crops will stay synchronized now and make replanting more streamlined

and if the lettuce gets sorted out i can easily swap one of the cottons for it

[queen scarab]

Hey everyone,

This is my layout, which I used so far. I just reached gardening lvl 8 and on some quest I earned one blueberry seed. Now I’m puzzled on how to change my farm.

Firstly, I don’t need to water any plants, except if I newly plant them. I quite like it. Secondly it’s sad that I only have one corn.
Will I get my first apple seed also as a present from a quest?

[wary finch]

when you reach level 10 Badruu will provide you with an apple seed.

[queen scarab]

Should I hold on my blueberry seed til reaching farming lvl 10? Or trying to adapt my layout?

[wary finch]

never wrong to combine it with pepper or cotton, berries provide harvest boost to them and pepper and cotton give quality boost, so that are beneficial co-op pairs.

so, speedygro boost - imo not working at all, I tried to speed boost nappa cabbage, put 10 speedyro on it after planting it - 4 units are used now, so it should give the first harvest because 2+1+2+1 = 6, the 1s being those bonus days - but there is no harvest, speedygro isn't working.

this is driving me nuts, that s6 isn't capable to get something that simple right.

anyway, I have enough for the day, and go play something what actually works correctly

[floral talon]

Ur not supposed to use speedygrow

[wary finch]

it is so simple to implement that - instead to add 1 per growth tick you add 1.5 and round the result down to get the growth state, nothing complicated with it at all-so why can't s6 do it?

there cannot even be rounding errors because 1.5 is 2^0+2^(-1), all powers of 2

[wary finch]

well, it's just half working - takes 5 units of fertilizer until harvest instead of 4.

and 5 days instead of 4 as well - how can something that easy to implement fail, it just requires 6 bit per crop to control it, add 2 per tick, with speedygro add 3 and the growth state is these 6 bit shifted right 1 bit, not even rounding is complicated.

[keen dome]

I don't think speedy grow works anymore

I think they are phasing it out aren't they

[wary finch]

I had just a harvest at day 5 with speedygro, it should have been at day 4, so it gave 1 bonus day, and not 2.

[keen dome]

If it works for you, great!

[wary finch]

it doesn't as intended, that is why it makes me so angry.

[keen dome]

I really think that they might be phasing it out. Mho

[wary finch]

shameful, really, to give up with something that easy to implement.

[keen dome]

It is not produced anymore is it?

[wary finch]

you can buy it from the guild store

[keen dome]

Huh

[wary finch]

and you can get 100 medals from weekly challenges so you can buy 500 speedygrow with it per week.

[keen dome]

Well I guess I will

lol

Thank you!!

I didn't know

[floral talon]

Lys knows programming 😮 is there anything she cannot do

[wary finch]

maybe you have more luck with another crop, with cabbage it is just halfways working.

[keen dome]

I haven't planted any lettuce yet

[wary finch]

I'm a bioinformatician, a mix of bio-chemistry, computer science and biology.

[keen dome]

My dream job

Seriously

[wary finch]

well, I'm not working in it anymore, money is earned faster with other things.

[keen dome]

That is still an accomplishment though!!!

Wow

[wary finch]

I'm still interested in it, @keen dome, especially in everything which can enhance farming - the world's population will at least grow by 25% this century, and we need to feed them all with less and less farming area.

[keen dome]

We need to start farming our yards

[wary finch]

vertical farming and semi-urban farming, yes, Singapore has quite some interesting concepts with that.

[keen dome]

A way for people who cannot farm to barter for what they need

[inner spear]

could you switch any to cotton? i don’t know buffs or anything.. im not much into gardening tbh

[wary finch]

barter? if there is a serious shortage, the situation will be solved by violence and murder, you don't barter, you take it by force.

[keen dome]

I usually farm all one crop. They do really good. I get about 250 yield each harvest. All star.

I know Lys. Just dreaming

[floral talon]

We will be fine pop will shrink and our current landuse is ridicoulously inefficient

[untold talon]

aloha. is there any way to get more fields for gardening?

[floral talon]

9soil max bought from badruu

[untold talon]

thank you

[raw berry]

you can switch any of the wheat or rice since they only give harvest boost

[inner spear]

okay thankyou !

[raw berry]

ofc!

[twilit inlet]

Hey Lys, Im gonna ask this here but you seem like the fishing expert. is it better to cook up two of the same fish for the worm farm or is it fine to do a mix if I dont have anymore pairs?

[jagged elbow]

it looks like my apple jam is only selling for 96 still. does it need to just be a star quality crop? also i cannot get the same amount of gold production in the layout and it feels like ive tried eerything lol. any advice?

[twilit inlet]

144 is for star apple jam

so yes made with star apples. you wanna get some cotton going to eventually get all star produce seeds

[jagged elbow]

is there a better way t o increase the profit based off this ? also how could i swap out something for cotton? i find that i also run out of fabirc easily loll although i do have quite a bit saved up rn #hoarder lolll

i just basically copied what wsunw put but i am still not getting the same outcome

[floral talon]

same value fish make a specific value of grilled fish and only same valque grilled fish stacks so while u can mix and match as u plz it makes it often unstackable and then u can only put so muhc in ur wormmakers
so u generally want it to stack so u can dump in an entire stack overnight but its not necesary

lys standin duhscape reporting

[floral talon]

rice instead of corn but then ya have to harvest more for more profit but if u have to constantly harvest it ruins the point of having weedblock (weedblock water retain low maintenance combo)
i think onions instead ocv arrots is also more money and tomatoes instead of cabbage
you could sneak in some cotton in the corners although u probs needs more harvestboost fertiliser

[twilit inlet]

thanks!

[jagged elbow]

swapping out cabbage and carrots did increase the profit by like 52 gold! ill try this and just keep growing cotton as needed i suppose. tysm!!

[floral talon]

that minor difference is why ijust settle for less harvest moments instead XD

[rapid maple]

can we put flowers in our pond if theres no grid?

[wary finch]

@twilit inletI mix just those minor ones, which have all the same base value - in the pond for ecxample mottled gobi, kalico koi are the low value ones, the others you better grill in pairs, like stalking cat fish (noturnal) (gets you grilled fish with 400/600g value, or cloudfish, iirc 890g as non starred girlled fish,and the best is ofc giant goldfish, grilled in pairs 2440/3660g

fished with glow worms

[twilit inlet]

is it best to put back into glow worm farms or reg? or a mix

[wary finch]

grilled goldfish would overflow the trays of a normal one, in a glow worm farm it is not using all trays, but you get 73 glow worms and 368 fertilizer from a single starred grilled giant goldfish.

so 5 of 6 trays are in use from a single one, in a normal worm farm it would require 8 trays and it has just 6.

[floral talon]

and u shouldnt fish no bait/normal worm fish anyways once u comped them unles its for daily gift cuz htey are worth so much less

[twilit inlet]

Im only doing gloworrms

my fishing is still only level 8 tho

[wary finch]

depends, I fed my normal worms a lot of grilled mirror carps caught with normal worms.

with glow worms it is more xp and more money ofc

I mean the worst fish in that pond is 100g - and you can easily fish like 40 within 20-25 minutes, some will be good fish,but even the crappy ones make you good money.

[mint seal]

do trees keep growing even if u dont water them?

[floral talon]

dont htink so

[mint seal]

okay!

[floral talon]

i had some never growing when the icon for needing water was glitched and not showing ...

[mint seal]

i was wondering if it stopped growing if u didn't water since i'd like to use some smaller trees as decor!

[floral talon]

you can do that

[drifting vine]

Soo... how is the dark side treating you..?

[floral talon]

it was way to tedious so i turned away from it

[drifting vine]

what are you trying out now?

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb-CbCrCbPRPCbCrCb

recently comped weedwhacker achivements so i might go afk setup next

[drifting vine]

Ohhh looking goood! I've been using a layout Lys had posted but I am thinking of changing it a little for water retention, was just curious how your farm was going before I swap things around haha

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-BkPTPBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkAATAAPAA-APTABBABB-PAATAABkAA-ABBABBAPT-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBAPTA-AAPAATAABk

[stable ginkgo]

What made it tedious?

[drifting vine]

I think thats my current plan

[floral talon]

mostly the management of dumping stuff into the seeders as they keep either overflowing or empty and jars is just way easier (u can only dump in like 15 items top effectively

and even worse since seeds u get so many of and are low in valkue it kept filling up my sell bin and storage

[stable ginkgo]

Ok yeah, I can see that. The seeders do take a few minutes to cycle 2-3 times a day.

[floral talon]

but the storage consumption of it is just insane u just dont have that capacity

[stable ginkgo]

I usually just sell it immediately after removing from seeders unless I’m lazy and have room.

[floral talon]

but the sell bin my inventory and my sotrage arent enough to store it all

i mean 60stacks of items oof

[wary finch]

ah, nice, I remember that garden, just not with 100% water retain, it is the one my other characters have been using before patch 0.180. I like the changes you made.

[drifting vine]

I redid my area to have that 4x2+1 layout because of your post and really like how it looks haha, I just found that I wasn't replanting the single crops often because I'd have to go look for the layout again so I know where things go. This seemed a bit simpler for me, and I don't have to water. I don't mindd watering though, if there is something significantly more profitable.

[wary finch]

my layout was before the changes to bushes and trees, I have reconsidered that garden again and again, but I like currently my 6 tree layout with trees planted with a 2hrs distance, in order to have apples every other hour once all 6 trees matured once at start. Following generations of trees won't cause a pause anymore, there are now apples every other day, just like I wanted it.

[drifting vine]

Do you have a link to this one?

[wary finch]

to my old one?

or the 6 tree one

[drifting vine]

The 6 tree one

[wary finch]

this is the one I am currently using, with nappa cabbage boost but the speed boost ist not working as intended, but still it is reducing the growth by 1 hrs (should be 2 though) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACrCb.SA-AABAABAACb.S-BAABAACb.SAA-ABBABBACb.SCb.S-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACb.SCb.SA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA*

but I'm playing around with the idea to use this one instead eventually https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-Cb.SAAPAACb.SAA-ACrAACrAACrA-AACb.SAAPAACb.S-AAAAAAAAA-CrAACrAACrAA-ACb.SAAPAACb.SA-AACrAACrAACr-AAAAAAAAA-Cb.SCrCb.SPWPCb.SCrCb.S

so following the bugged speedygro results, using 10 nappa cabbage speed boosted, would be 50 ticks per week with using all the 500 fertilizer from weekly challenges - I might reduce my ticks to like 50-70, because my parents will be visiting us for a month and I want to have time for them as well.

[drifting vine]

ohh I see, thank you for sharing!

[wary finch]

the co-op side of this little exchange is now, that I take your modifications and replace 4 tomatoes with cabbage and 4 potatoes with cabbage - an option which is aesthetically more pleasing to me https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11110-11111_CROPS-BkPCb.SPBBCb.SBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkAATAACb.SAA-ACb.STABBABB-PAACb.SAABkAA-ABBABBAPCb.S-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBACb.STA-AACb.SAATAABk

that would be 62.5 ticks in average, which is inside the reduction zone I want to "land" in.

[wary finch]

so speedboost is not even reliably broken, I had 2 cabbage taking 6 units of fertilizer with a zero reduction- this is like throwing speedygro in the trash can. Sometimes it does something, never what it should and sometimes it is just wasting the fertilizer.

I start to understand some of the frustrated reviews about palia on steam, it is not the game itself, it is s6 and their way to deal with bugs. Or to waste time on fluff, instead to add more regions - this game might be ending up like star citizen, somewhat playable but most of the content missing for an eternity to come.

[daring jetty]

did you leave your plot during this time?

[wary finch]

not ingame

[daring jetty]

so you logged off

[wary finch]

yeah, but some grow to harvest in 5 days, some in 6 with no reduction, but none does what it should in 4.

[daring jetty]

i think it's been mentioned somewhere a long time ago that speedy grow's effect doesn't work when u leave plot/log off/dc from game etc

[wary finch]

but I always do that -and some grew in 5 days to harvest - do they expect me to be in game for 4-5 hrs?

[daring jetty]

shrug though that is how it currently works

[wary finch]

ok, thank you for sharing, maybe I need to manage my time investment differently then.

or just not boost that cabbage

the problem is anytime I see that cabbage, I will be reminded and my anger will grow to the ppint where I will just leave the game (maybe) forever -when top tier stuff is not working and no one gives a ... about fixing it, this can really stop me playing at all - and then I get a plushie, needless crap, instead to spend time on fixing stuff.

well, and the next problem will be coming up soon with the 10M earned achievement - so if I go for it, this basically means; have to spend 8,000,001 after reaching 1M, because the gold cap is at 999,999 - but on what? there is nothing worth having or at all for this kind of money.

[daring jetty]

i guess in your case.. u'd have to plant the cabbage > go offline > log in after 2hrs..? just before the reset..and stay in game for 2hrs to get cabbage to work

[wary finch]

ah yes, true, I don't have to fertilize it immediately after planting, but can do this right before 6am - I'll try this thank you.

[daring jetty]

you do have to have the fertilizer on before the log off though

[wary finch]

ah now I understand how you meant this with those 2hrs later login again - I had a different plan, basically plant it shortly before 6am and fertilize it, then at 6am I do my normal farm work but don't apply the fertilizer yet, log out and return again shortly before 6am to fertilize it and to the next farm work after 6am. This way I will be online while the fertilizer is used.

[daring jetty]

I don't think it's the issue of when the fertilizer is being applied, but if you do test it let me know.

[wary finch]

that the whole thing is dependent on being online is just ridiculous though, because it is such a simple thing to implement, takes even just nano-seconds to compute, if done efficiently.

[floral talon]

it literly only takes one extra boolean of and a few lines of checks

and u can even make it super readable by putting the check and apply and speedygrow part in its own method

[wary finch]

not even that, 6 bits to hold the data, you add 2 without boost, and 3 with boost, and when you want to know the growth state you just shift it right by 1 bit - it is so ridiculously easy to do

that shift is "rounding it down".

[floral talon]

would still work funky with fruit crops

[wary finch]

why - to know when to harvest you need one 32-bit integer for each crop type - simply marking the bits which are harvest times, simple table lookup - a few bytes for that is all it takes. And the lookup itself is a simple AND operation of 1 shifted left (growthState-1) times with the lookup table, is the result non-zero, it's harvest time. Simple stuff, taking just nano-seconds.

[floral talon]

yeay theres more ways and its simple though having an apple be at growth tick 6.5 feels illegal

[wary finch]

does not happen, because the shift is removing any 0.5 and gives the exact growth state.

[floral talon]

maybe it glitches when lack of water retain/weedblock or something

[fossil loom]

Has anyone tested exp value of the individual crops? I'd love to know which works best for leveling my gardening skill.

[drifting vine]

Someone had posted this "All crops give the same EXP per tile per growth tick, so the "fastest and best" is "whatever will let you harvest most consistently."" in another discord I am in. I'm not sure on the accuracy of it however.

[wary finch]

someone said it would be about the same per slot and time unit spent. With apples you have 9 slots and it takes long until harvest, so it appears to be best, but it is most likely per slot and time unit the same.

[fossil loom]

Ohhh, well, I suppose that makes sense then. I guess it depends then how active you as a gardener want to be to earn said exp.

Apples that have water retain and weed resist mean you practically never have to touch them until harvest

[wary finch]

yeah but you need to be online otherwise it will stop growing at 6am, regardless of it having water or not.

[drifting vine]

When it does this, does it still eat your fertilizer?

[wary finch]

for that past day, certainly, it is advancing the garden once at 6am, but if you are not online then, it won't init the next day's growth until your return.

but it will count as a full day of growth at 6am, if you return before 6am.

this is basically why I try to get a schedule for about 70 ticks per week. If I login 35 times within that week before 6am, do gardening stuff, wait until 6am, do gardening stuff again and then logout, I can do 70 ticks per week with just spending about 17.5hrs effectively being logged in (assuming I can do both gardening around 6am within 30 minutes).

If I actually want to play, I can do more, but I don't have to.

[covert kettle]

Apples, it's always apples.

[wary finch]

yeah, I thought about it, 9 harvest boosted apple trees, the most boring layout ever, 81 fertilizer is not a problem, pretty much all better grilled fish in the pond will do (2 glow worm farms assumed here). That is 25.8 apples per hour in average (replants already subtracted) and about 3.7k income from those apples per hour, plus all the excess fish - I'd say easy 7k+ per hour with not much effort at all.

planted with 1hr time difference between those, this means apples nearly every day - so yeah, nice, but boring.

[signal mantle]

When a plant is fertilized and it goes through a growth stage and the fertilizer disappears should I re-fertlize it?

[wary finch]

you normally need 1 fertilizer unit every ingame day, but sometimes it is not consuming it with 1 tile crop, it is bugged unfortunately, but to be safe put fertilizer every ingame day (you can stack it though and lay down several in advance).

every unit adds a chance for the boost to be working, so if you miss for example 1 out of 4, you have still a 75% chance for the boost to work.

the crux with 9 apple trees is, you can basically stop playing, you get the money and apples, and that's it, you don't cook, because you have mass amounts of jam to eat, and at least for me there would be nothing left what I would desperately need or want, it's kinda game over, I am not into questing at all.

ok, I understsnd that is not the fault of the game, that I'm like that - I really like the first about 3 weeks, but then what is left, starting another character basically.

[covert kettle]

For pure lazy exp, it can't be beat imo. It's always ready when you wake up and when you get home from work. Perfect timing.

[wary finch]

my 6 apple trees feel like that as well, when I logout right before the next apples would come in.

[twilit inlet]

I wish I could take all that gold you dont need LOL. after buying 40-50 rooms/harvesthouse/gazebos im always spending as fast as I can make it. You kinda have to like decorating your plot tho. Im working on my second village so its a gold sink. If you arent into that then ya, what to do with all that gold really

[wary finch]

couldn't say I would not be into that, I have a quarter sim in second life (that is land 128x128m in size to build on including the airspace above it up to 4km high) and a couple of other properties there as well. I did as well build quite a lot in no man's sky. I guess it is for now just the frustration with top tier stuff not working and no one really caring about fixing it, this is really dragging me down.

And decorating, that is exactly what that is, benches I cannot sit on, beds I cannot lay on - frustratingly incomplete. And if I can sit on something, like the kilima couch, I sit right in the middle of it, in the most uncomfortable location on that very couch - I don't even dare to ask, if someone else could share sitting on it. It is probably not possible - so yeah, this dampens any spark I might have towards decorating in palia.

I know that problem with building the 4th house, with room prices around 30k already., but they are quickly build now and if you can expand by 1-2 rooms on a daily basis, this is as well at best med-term and then it will be done. That problem doesn't go away.

And then there is a 100M achievement as well, do they really expect people to play for 5 or more years?

[queen scarab]

I wish I had your troubles. I just started so I’m happy if I have one day the money to buy a bigger bag 🥹

Or box

Anyway, can I build or create fertiliser myself? Like the one which lets my crops being watered?
Do I need to apply it everyday, if that’s the case, why should I use it, I mean I could just water it then.

Another question which pokes me:

I managed to get a … dunno how to call it in English, the barrel you use to put fruits and vegetable in a glass to preserve them, and I like to get Tipps regarding this.

Firstly, how many is a good amount to have?
Secondly which crops should I use in it?

I got a farm which owns all kind of crops, soon even apply (I’m half away of lvl 10). Or is Monoculture preferred?

Also, I got 3 seed collectors, and I feel like I need more, should I get more? What is your advice regarding that?

[copper valley]

The only fertilizer you can make is Quality Up, and you can create HarvestBoost with Worm Farms.
The HydroPro (water retain) you gotta buy from Zeki's shop. You can also buy WeedBlock there.

Yes, you should apply as much as you can. You don't need to put it once a day. You can put up to 99 per crop. You will need to rewater every time you replant a crop though,

Preserves Jar makes pickled veggies and fruit jams. They will definitely sell more than regular crops. When get Apples and Blueberries, put them in the jar to make jam, and sell. Jam making is one of the best ways to make money. Save your veggies for cooking, but you can sell them as pickles too.

For Jars, it depends on how many crops you have, and how often you are on. If you play for hours a day, since crops only grow when you're online, you can have like 10 Jars full of crops. If you're only on for a little bit, only like 3 is fine, one per each type of crop you have.

All kinds of crops is fine until you can purchase apple seeds. Apples are your biggest money makers, especially once you hit level 25. Check out this guide here once you can buy apples for the best money and quickest experience gain: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?pli=1#heading=h.jv0nruntpt7t

3 seed collectors is fine, or you can do one per type of crop you have.

[wary finch]

@queen scarabI created character 6 today and have fun again. Starting up from scratch is what I enjoy in Palia and now I have fun and goals again and I enjoy playing and struggling again 🙂

[slow flame]

Does grilled quality fish give a good amount of boost fert? I know it gives a good amount of glow worms, but I have so many of those at the moment I don't want to waste the fish

[copper valley]

starred/quality always boosts drops, yeah

plus grilled food doesnt give much focus anyway, normal cooking is best for that

[floral talon]

Output of (glow) worms and fertiliser is based on coin value so yes lots

[slow flame]

Do we know what the math is on that?

Or is it RNG to a certain point 🤔

[queen scarab]

Thank you for the guidance

[floral talon]

We used to but they updated abit so now we not sure
For glows it used to be min1 value/50rounded to nearest 50 and something similar with different numbers for fertiliser but yeay the rounding is what makes a profit/loss

[queen scarab]

Wow 🤩

Wait, what? You can have multiple characters?

[queen scarab]

If you can put water retain more than once, why not just water it every day?

[twilit inlet]

oh I agree it is frustrating. I had a major login bug awhile back. game wouldnt let me log in for over three months and this was right during the fall event so i missed out on pumpkins and a bunch of other goodies. that was frustrating. Its part of the unfinished game experience which is why I normally dont play unfinished games. I would have never picked this one up if it wasnt free to play. I come and go alot depending on what bugs are currently annoying me. Like decoration mode for awhile would drop me to 1 fps so I quit till they fixed that too.

[twilit inlet]

Im already on my 8th harvest house (3grand and 5 reg)

[copper valley]

Cause that takes longer