🌱│gardening

[wary finch]

one layer of onions and 2 layers of apples, then jars will be busy for 3hrs.

[floral talon]

im starting to think u like watering ur plants

yet somehow have an issue with pulling weeds

[wary finch]

yeah I do, because it is at the same time controlling if I pulled all weeds.

there is always something to harvest, so I have to water anyway, why doing it selectively, if I can just water the whole garden whilst controlling if I pulled all weeds.

I have no issue with pulling weeds at all, in average I have 5 weeds in my garden (I count them anytime),and with 17 ticks per day this means an additional 850g, not much, but it is 31.5% of the income of a jar, so worth doing it.

[floral talon]

i still need months wroth of weeds for hte achivement like 1full month of it

[copper geode]

quick question here, I've hit my soil limit, but I've seen people who seem to have more then the limit on their plot.. was wondering, if you were allowed more before and there was a limit change after, of jsut an illusion and limit has alweays been the same?

[stable ginkgo]

Soil limit has been 9 since launch. Could be people splitting up their plots or some decorations.

[copper geode]

oki doki thanks

[wary finch]

no I just use the 10 plot layout with 1 empty, to reflect the shape of my garden correctly.

this is not a plot more, I just leave the display at 10, in case I want to shift the 9th plot up a tile or 2

like for example with this berry/peppers garden which other characters of mine used.https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CoBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-RBBCoBBSpRSp-NNNNNNSpCoR-Sp.QSp.QSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpCoSpRBBCoBB-SpBBRBBNNN

the 9th plot on the right is 1 tile shifted up.

this was a nice garden for getting cotton and peppers as well.

[lean birch]

best money making crop layout?

[floral talon]

bokchoi lots of bokchoi

[lean birch]

apple jam still good?

[floral talon]

i mean its 80% of tryharding bokchoi so its fine

[slow flame]

So you just grow a load of bokchoi and sell it? Or do you do anything else with it beforehand?

[floral talon]

turn into seeds till ur seed collectors can tprocess it anyone once u got a bunch of spare bokchoi for incase ur offline alot after which u can sell the exces bokchoi unprocessed but like it said its tryharding

of course alwyas everyhting with harvest boost

[slow flame]

Makes sense, thanks

[wary finch]

I actually preserve bok choy, even I said in the past that it has a higher percentage gain in a seeder, which is correct, but not the full story, because it takes awfully long to seed it, whereas it grows quickly and can be preserved quickly - that is why I rather push them through jars.

[west crown]

I run a mix of seeders and preserve jars but the seeders definitely take longer. Bok choy is the best thing for seeds.

I convert 100% of my bok choy to seeds and convert pretty much everything else to preserves.

[wary finch]

that is not what I do or said.

[west crown]

I realize that. It does take a while to make seeds like you said, though. I'm greedy. I do seeds but pretty much just for bok choy.

[wary finch]

my first quick calculation with running 12 bok choy spots in my "the strip" layout and boost 250 of them with speedygro creates a result worth 10.5 jardays per week, that is 28,350g or 2362.5g per used spot, and I have to seed 140 bok choy per week.

based on 120 ticks per week

and 140 bok choy to seed means I farm in average 80 bok choy per day on 12 spots.

and this again means, I have to dedicate a seeder to bok choy, because it has to run 24/7 to create the required amount of seeds.

[floral talon]

dont forget processing bokchoi just for its own reseed might get a problem the more growth ticks u get in

[wary finch]

that is 10.5 jardays and absolutely no problem per week

I have 168 jardays available per week.

[floral talon]

lys making new units of measurement lmao

[wary finch]

and these bok choy will be marvelous fillers in between my apple layers

yeah, but this is how I think about this, in jardays, income per jar, value throughput per jar and so on.

otherwise there are carrots to process, those are as well just fillers, whereas the mass amount of corn might be a bit more effort to get them done.

ok,time to rake in some money again.

I put out 2 extra seeders to get a lot of seeds prepared that I don't have to do that when the strip will be live.

it is never really a problem, @floral talon, because I have those 2 utility crafter slots and can always double the amount of seeders to get things done in half the time.

keeping the jars busy is more difficult, because they need 302.4k produce value per week to run non-stop.

[floral talon]

that means jars are for lazy poeple

[wary finch]

haha, do it and then tell me that again

it is work due to the just in time method, I rarely do more than 3 layers into those jars.

it is currently just tight, because I never made this garden to run 24 jars and still I am running it at that since about a week, but it's draining my stock quite a lot

but as it is just about 30hrs before I shut it down, I'll keep running it at 24 jars until then.

as soon as I don't replant those trees, a lot of the load is gone.

fill it with bok choy and rice meanwhile, until the last tree is gone.

and all the rest will be taken offline then within 4 hrs

[floral talon]

im just gonna dedicate a bunch of my jars to specific input same for seeders so its easier and less effort and i dont get super many growth ticks in anywyas so eventually il swithc to bokchoi and potatoes or something (till its balanced)

[wary finch]

it is specify with mine as well, just not per jar, but per layer across all 24 jars.

like now, the last apple is in progress, in my output is pickled pepper and apple jam, and next is 24 apples coming in, so this will be the new layer then.

and if that will be in progress, I run 2 layers of onions on top

[queen lark]

I'm gonna answer that in an IM.. cause many misunderstand this, and my first question is your main goal what for gardening? 'set it and forget it' or max money, or cooking, or???

[lean birch]

max money. don't mind having to water or collect weeds

[queen lark]

okay sent ya a Dm with the lay out and some information

[fading island]

👀 I'm looking through some of the layouts posted here. Are there any Everything gardens with 100% water retention and significant weed prevention (90+?)

I see Arenvanya's that has 100% water and 40% weed

[floral talon]

something like weed block or waterretain is kinda useless unles u got it 100% (as lys said with exception of just wanting the plant foritself)

[wary finch]

layouts with partial weedblock and water retain are not made for these effects, but because people wanted that kind of crop in their garden.

[fading island]

Yeah, I'm just interested in not dealing with the garden unless something needs harvested and replanted 🙃 And ideally with every crop

[wary finch]

you could ofc take one of those you like and then just patch where weed block or water retain is missing using fertilisers

[fading island]

That's not a bad idea, since I'm not optimizing for money.

[wary finch]

fertiliser is not that expensive if you don't need it for the whole garden.

and using it gets you gardening medals from weekly challenges.

iirc already using 30 fertiliser is getting you 30 medals.

[fading island]

oh. Well that's kinda sorted then!

Thank you for the information. I'll find an everything garden with 100% water and some good weed blocking, then fertilize away the rest of the weeds 🙂

[wary finch]

great

[floral talon]

ul lose more money by not farming then by farming inefficient not optimising everything is ok thought i personally try to not be pointlesly inefficient

[wary finch]

hm, i actually forget a factor in that calculation with boosting 250 bok choy per week, it doesn't create 10.5 jardays but 38.75 and an income of 104,625g from those 12 spots within a week.

and requires 23% of my jar capacity.

just seeding those instead to preserve them would be like 40k better, but as it would take 13 seeders running nonstop to make it into seeds, the opportunity costs of that would be around 245k and a loss of nearly 100k compared to the preserve method.

[covert kettle]

Chocolate is a helluva drug. I wish we could plant it.

[wary finch]

white and slimy when you open it, cocoa doesn't look nice when it is raw.

[covert kettle]

So if I spend 890k gold tonight. What are the odds I make it all back by the next patch?

[wary finch]

on coins?

to get 89x 5 carrot seeds?

high I'd say, you need less than 32k daily.

[covert kettle]

Hehe I get good results when I blow it all usually. Hoping for an order sernuk plush.

[sleek mist]

How do I remove a tomato plant from the garden

[covert kettle]

On switch it's x or y with the hoe

Three times quickly

[wary pier]

Not 90% weed protection but enough for me, i call this my lazy garden setup. Not much work and good for money. Applejam and Seeds from Bok Choy and Potatoes.
The tomatoes i preserve too but i eat those for focus so i dont have to cook.

(Ah i overread everything garden.. 🙈 just saw it now above my answer, sry...
There is always a lot to catch up here over night..😂 )

[quartz eagle]

Do you guys think we'll ever get more soil

[lucid jacinth]

I really hope so

[queen lark]

I hope so too. Hope S6 doesn't SOIL the idea though! um when did badruu walk in here???

[acoustic obsidian]

Anyone know where to get the mixed hydrangeas? I've seen them on a plot but can't find good info on them. One source says unobtainable and other said from founders keepers quest??

The flowers on a plot

[wary finch]

the "good for money" part of your argument is ...daring, missing out on 160 apples by not having harvest boost and furthermore you have 160 apples of low quality as well, by not boosting quality. So this is actually costing you a lot in form of opportunity costs (missing out on better results). Btw I am not saying this to bother you, but to make you aware of how expensive convenience is as a not yet established player (as in always getting quality produce) and missing out on harvest boost is in general not a good idea.

[dim summit]

I think I found them while catching bugs. Sadly I'm not sure which bug, but I'm pretty sure it was one from Kilima, and not a super rare one

[remote apex]

the blue ones are from the duskwing butterfly i believe!

otherwise the mixed ones are from a quest, i think.

[wary finch]

@covert kettleso how did your gambling with Zeki's coins go?

[fading island]

I still downloaded this layout, just in case 🙂 thank you

[wary pier]

I am over garden level 25 and only get star quality. Also i do a lot of glowwormfishing for makeshift chests and thats why have plenty of fertilizer, i alway get 24 apples per harvest.
It works for me 🙂

[wary finch]

ok, the chart was misleading then, it showed no harvest boost and 160 low quality apples. Glad you got it sorted out meanwhile. There are as well quite a lot of makeshift chests with normal worm fishing, I like especially those wall shelfs, they are a bit wider and deeper than others and items can be placed more easily on those.

[wary pier]

Yeah i didn´t add the fertilizer to the chart.. my bad.

Makeshift chest have the highst change with glowworm in certain bubbles at certain times..i just go for this ones.

[turbid locust]

when is the best time to p[ut fertilizer? right after you plant or before you harvest?

[wary finch]

all the time. because each adds a chance and if you let one or more out, your chance of it working is reduced.

you can stack fertilizer on a spot though, like if you know it needs 4 days to harvest, you can plant the seed and lay down 4 fertilizer units, it will then take one each ingame day from the stack.

2x2 plants take 4 units per ingame day, and apple trees 9 per ingame day.

at least that is how it's supposed to work, but in practice it can happen, that one fertilizer unit lasts longer than a day, it's still somewhat bugged.

[primal sage]

im currently using this farm layout https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HPTCCrRPRCr-BkCrTCRPPCrC-BkCT.HRCrPCrRC-TCBkCrRCrBkPT-TCBkRCrRBkPT-TPBkCrRCrBkCT-CRCrPCrRT.HCBk-CCrPPRCTCrBk-CrRPRCrCTPBk.H

i just got an apple tree seed, which crop should i remove and replace with the apple tree seed?

[wary finch]

this is one possibility - nothing changed but the space required for the apple tree.https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HPTCAAPAA-BkCrTARPACrC-BkCT.HRCrPCrRC-TAACrRCrBkPT-ACBkRCrRBkPT-TPBkCrRCrBkCT-CRCrPCrRT.HCBk-CCrPPRCTCrBk-CrRPRCrCTPBk.H

[primal sage]

how come on the link there are 6 apples on it?

does one apple tree take up 1 whole plot?

[wary finch]

an apple tree takes 9 spots, 3x3

it is basically plot size, but it is shifted here to maintain the boosts, you still have harvest boost, water retain and weedblock on the tree this way.

[primal sage]

thank you so much for your help!

but some crops around the apple tree doesnt have water and weed prevention

is that unavoidable?

so does that mean i need to water some of the crops around the tree now?

[wary finch]

guess not, I just did what you asked for - looking for a spot which is good for the tree whilst not making changes to other crop around it.

[primal sage]

i see, thanks anyways!

[wary finch]

when you harvest, keep in mind that you need 10 apples to create 1 apple seed, so start with creating seeds early on.

[primal sage]

alright i will, thanks for the tip

[twilit inlet]

LOL so true

[wary finch]

@primal sageif you don't water and weed those few spots around it, the worst what can happen in this case, is that those few wouldn't grow further, but they would still provide their boost to other plants around. So don't feel pressured having to water and weed, you don't have to, it would just be a minor change in income anyway.

But it is a good spot for the apple tree.

Calderi wants knapweed for her tea this week though, maybe you should at least weed once 🙂

[primal sage]

if i placed the hydropros and weed prevention fertiliser on those that dont have it, does that help?

[sharp coyote]

Heyyy does anyone know if they changed which things make which fertilizer?

[clear kindle]

sweet items (like apple jams) now make quality fert. all the other things make harvest boost

[sharp coyote]

Got it! Thanks!

[sleek mist]

I’m in pc is it the same

[covert kettle]

Idk but there should be a secondary function button for it. It should be listed in the keybinds as such.

[wary finch]

you would have to do that all the time, because it takes a unit of fertiliser every ingame day per spot.

[sleek mist]

@wary finch I’m using this garden layout since I’m very new still and just curious what I’m supposed to keep and what I’m supposed to sell before I harvest (I do also have the seed maker too)

[floral talon]

u eslf use the cotton for makiung ur own sheets in the weaver htingy u keep some wheat rice carrots and onions

and u stockpile like 50 or 81 or 100 seeds (of each starred crop)

[wary finch]

@sleek mistthe cotton is for the loom (non-starred), you will get the loom from Tish quite early on, so craft some log cabin furniture to increase your level with her. Starred cotton you can seed and use for replants and to sell excess cotton seeds. Carrots and onions would be for preserve jars, but I guess, you don't have that yet, so seed it and use it for replants and sell excess seeds. Similar with the grains, but if you cannot seed everything, sell it raw for now to get some quick cash.

[floral talon]

i still think that setup is bad cuz it doesnt have harvest boost on everything

[wary finch]

that is because it is an uneven number and not in a square, give it time, she will buy more plots.

[floral talon]

its as if ur main goal is to pointlessly weedblock everything despite them needing more weeds

harvest boasters should be mid row of each soil

[wary finch]

the mid row is cotton, to get star quality produce of the rest.

[floral talon]

oh the picture is cutof now ic

yeay that make way more sense

[wary finch]

a newbie gets up to speed when he can create and replant star quality, so this is the goal of this layout, getting started with quality stuff

[floral talon]

so basically the weedblock plants are to be replaced with whatever u still need a stockpile of star seeds of then

[delicate apex]

Goal is to have the 3 boosts up...might have to swap out the quality up with weed prevention if i cant keep up with that fertilizer
Is this a good step in the right direction? Is there a better layout?

[wary finch]

I don't see them as weedblock plants, but as "feed" for hungry and very profitable jars later on, the 2700g per day kind, and for that it requires a lot of fast growing star quality stuff like carrots and onions.

carrots and apples have a slightly higher value throughput, it is not much, but that is why this layout has that many carrots.

and they are quickly processed in jar, and can be sold twice a day.

a stream of cash for a newbie, just what is required.

you know me, I give a damn on weedblock and water retain, if I plant that then not by this reason.

[floral talon]

i personally wouldnt use that much fertiliser later on cuz its a lot of work to apply but this seems ok for starters if ur low level gardening and went to a cakeparty that got u lots of quality up but at lv25 that fertliser will be useless to ya
u can mix in some weedblock plants in later one but to put 3 boosts on corner plants u do need fertliser

[delicate apex]

Right now im only lvl 8 in farming but wanna get that passive income up and running

i also only have 6 plots but wouldnt mind expanding to 9 real soon

[wary finch]

they are now a lot cheaper than before

[floral talon]

i woould weave in some coptton plants in ur setup since u probs need cotton still and to reduce the amount of fertiliser u need not that fertiliser is that expensive but it will save u quiet some effort of clicking to put it on

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoPCbCrRCrCbPCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoPCbCrRCrCbCoP-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN something like one of these 2 soils but then for every soil depending in ur preference u can line setup or place side by side i think line this works better for one and square better for the other

[delicate apex]

Yeahhh i forgot about cotton, ill get working on that!

[wary finch]

@floral talonlike with this layout, the weed block plants are not there because I want it be weed blocked, but because I want to speedgro boost 250 bok choy per week and create 1690 bok choy, running most of them through my profitable jar array, plus apples. plus corn ofc. (120 ticks/week) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACCrABkCr-AAAAAAAAA-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACWABkCr

[floral talon]

yeay in that setup it makes sense ur going for the plants itself

[wary finch]

this is with the other layouts the same, I am just going for the preserves, if those have other effect, fine, but I plant them to feed my hungry jar arrays.

[floral talon]

note to self lys doesnt go for afk setups ever

[wary finch]

how can it be afk, if I have to harvest something every day?

my jars need feed every day, and my layouts provide that.

[floral talon]

how much moneys do u still need ?_?

[wary finch]

a lot because my new character is just 16 days old.

my garden has gotten me there and a bit of fishing on the side as well - you might not find that garden that good, but it does what I created it for.

[floral talon]

-uses the same one but then with no watering- -actually wants more weeds to pull-

[wary finch]

weeds are about 6k per week at 120 ticks.

it isn't a bad income, 453,600g from my jars, 6k from weeds, about 25k from fishing, and selling some other stuff like starred cotton seeds gets me to about half a million per week.

afk is expensive, I won't waste 6-figures per week on convenience.

so about 4.5 months to go for the 10 million earned achievement, I am still on track like planned.

[floral talon]

lys do u do other things then fishing and gardening in palia?

[wary finch]

not really yet, it is not in the plan currently - once the strip will be up and running, I will care for the other stuff - first is then mining and foraging - still both not level 10 yet.

I'm not really playing yet, it's logging in, care for my garden, keep jars, seeders, worm farm and loom busy, selling stuff, fish a little on the side, and then I logout again and do some rl work, like gathering information, looking for investment opportunities, communicate with realtors and so on.

[floral talon]

yeay then it makes sense to tryhard the gardening so much ur just playing paliavil

[floral talon]

yes totally what average poeple do XD

[wary finch]

it takes a lot of time gathering information, I watch the news from around the world and try to figure out what that means for market places worldwide and go for it, if I see an opportunity.

This is why I have so much time on hand, the world is pretty much never sleeping and I follow it around the globe basically, that is why I don't sleep that much.

and 100 to 120hrs per week is a normal workflow if you are self-employed, 35-40hrs per week are just for employees.

[covert kettle]

Life is what you make it.

[wary finch]

I never planned to do that actually. I fell in love with an economist 14 years ago and this converted me totally. And when I figured, that I have actually talent for this kind of business, well, one leads to the other, and in the end this is just another game I'm playing, real world economics.

So to me it doesn't feel like work, it is more like gaming.

[wary finch]

for now, that is true, because the goal has been to set me up for success within 2 weeks and get to gardening level 25 shortly after - my character is not there yet, 2 more levels required, but it will be shortly. After this goal will be achieved, the next is getting those skills, which are not level 10+ yet, which will in case of foraging and mining be rather quick, but will take longer with hunting. I know how to do it, but it is time consuming in having to actually play the game for a longer time.

and tryhard is not my kind of thinking, I go with Yoda's philosophy "do or do not, there is no try"

[floral talon]

i like afk farms as it gives large intervals in whchi u dont have to be on ur plot so u can go explore do quests hunt those plushies etc but rn i jsut need to whack weeds still

[wary finch]

yeah, but I am a grown woman, I have no interest in fluff like plushies.

[floral talon]

u monster

[flat terrace]

hi guys, does anybody have a gardening pattern for making loads of gold? I don’t mind weeding or watering

[floral talon]

yes rice weed rice middle colum on the sides of it only bokchoi (max cash max effort farm)

seecollectors are your friends

[flat terrace]

doesn’t bok choi sell for relatively cheap tho?

[floral talon]

not if turned into seeds

[flat terrace]

Ohh ok! Thank you 🫶

do you turn them all to seeds or sell them in produce form?

[wary finch]

starred bok choy 45 - seeded 4 seeds a 22 = 88g

good luck with that, seeding of one takes 72minutes

[floral talon]

mostest effort max profit

its slightly above 6100/day as u spend 400+ per day on fertiliser

[flat terrace]

okok, what kind of fertilizer on each one?

[floral talon]

harvest boost

but keep in mind that the ates get lower hte more u play cuz the seedcollectors cannot keep up soon

[wary finch]

oh my, 54 every 3hrs, seeding time for those are 3888 minutes or 64.8hrs, but you have 3hrs before the next come in, so you need 22 seeders to process that.

[flat terrace]

I have 2😭

[floral talon]

by giving examples like htese i answer poeples questions and teach em to be mroe specific with their questions

[wary finch]

yeah, the less seeders you have, the less you need to play, those 22 would be for non stop play you have 2, so 2/22*24 = you can play 2hrs per day then your 2 seeders can process everything, if you play longer, you will need more seeders.

this is because your seeders work around the clock, but your garden will stop growing at 6am when you logout.

[stable ginkgo]

Looks like with 2 seeders, all plots full of crops, tomato seeds might be the way to go if you’re a low level and don’t want to sell raw crops

[wary finch]

@floral talonbut being more specific, requires that they have already at least an idea about how farming works. The question, what makes the most amount of money shows that they are clueless and overwhelmed.

[flat terrace]

just got roasted 😔

[wary finch]

I'm an aussie, we don't beat around the bush, we give it straight to the face, sorry

[floral talon]

remind me to move to australia

[flat terrace]

Haha I thought it was funny nws

[wary finch]

just a fact, we all were clueless and overwhelmed, so don't feel bad.

[floral talon]

but yeay at low level might aswell also farm the cotton u need to get more star seeds to

[floral talon]

hey i just make pooeple walk into brickwalls so they can comeback with better questions
but ur right i should be a bit more keeping others in mindish or something

[flat terrace]

My strategy is to just put things where I feel they should go + throw things in the seeder when I run outta their seeds

[wary finch]

but a newbie does not have a lot of money, barely able to buy the seeds at start, he needs something what works.

[flat terrace]

Fair point, however if I was really serious I could def cook up a better question than that, I’m not here to practice my question asking skills, I’m here to get a break from the real world. No offense intended, it’s hard to portray tone over text haha!

[wary finch]

ok, you told us your side of things, now listen to ours - we see that question a couple of times a day popping up here, you could just scroll up and find a bunch of good farming plans, But we help, if we can and are not bored by having to answer this dozens of times a day. So bear with us as well.

[floral talon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit#gid=755509841
can give u an idea of what is best till u get like limited by crafgters and veen after u get limited byt hat once u find thre youtube vid that explains how to interpretate it this is just so we know someone did that math

[wary finch]

there is a video which explains it as well here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRTPWPTRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRPTWCoPRT-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN for beginners u use one of these 2 patterns thats to ur liking and use em on each soil u got
remember to stock up on the cotton and sheets they get turned into to craft stuff uneed later and to do some quests with

@flat terrace

[flat terrace]

thanks for the help you guys!

[floral talon]

next time il pay attention to the im new to this discored tag next to your name and give someone the new player layouts right away XD (jsut didnt know u were new)

[rapid kelp]

anyone having trouble with the water retain fertilizer disappearing randomly from crops (apples, specifically)? I added 99 on all of them twice today and when I logged back on, they disappeared from some apples. Two apples earlier and one apple just now, all 99 from each apple

[wary finch]

oh no, that has been a bug before, got fixed, and now it is back again?

[rapid kelp]

seems like it

messed up my apples and lost lots of fertilizer

any workaround?

[wary finch]

did it disappear from all your apples or just from one or two trees?

[rapid kelp]

one or two, but i have the same layout everywhere so it doesn't make sense

i added 99 on all crops

apples, berries, bok choi and onions

only from apples it disappeared randomly, twice in a day

[wary finch]

quite some time ago I had this long communication with support to give them all the details about it (took about a week) and then it got fixed. That it is now reappearing is very disappointing.

maybe don't put 99 on it, but much less.

this said, when I had this bug, even a single fertilizer disappeared sometimes - it was related to leaving and reentering the housing plot though.

[floral talon]

could be that hte apple tree was on diferent soils though my issue is my fertiliser persist after having to retill the soil

[wary finch]

I have such a spot as well @floral talon, nothing gets it removed.

[rapid kelp]

I'll check this. I did move in and out quite a lot. I have had this layout for a while now and only since yesterday I started noticing something fishy

I thought that maybe I forgot to put fertilizer on an apple, but it's not that. Today I monitored it carefully and they disappeared.

[wary finch]

so it could be the new patch causing it again.

[rapid kelp]

possibly

I'll try with less fertilizer, but i'm not happy 😛 wanted the afk-ness of 99 on everything

thank you for the info 🙂 always good help from you, Lys

[thorn swift]

What is y’all’s fave garden layout rn? I’ve been doing tomato and rice for the longest but I’m late game now and wondering if there’s something better

[wary finch]

logging out on the housing plot without leaving the housing plot before, did not create the bug, I remember that.

[rapid kelp]

i'll see if logging out while in zeki's causes the change, like it loses last actions I did

tend crops - go to zeki's, play a bit, log out in underground market

maybe the whole loading from one place to another messes this up

[wary finch]

yeah, that is what I meant, when you have to enter the housing plot in a way, could as well be by relocating you to your housing plot.

[rapid kelp]

but then why would only Some disappear when all are tended the same way?

[wary finch]

it was very difficult to get support to understand the problem at all, because it is so random.with the next tree you plant it might not be there.

took me a week of daily conversation with 3 different support guys to get this to the dev team and get it fixed. That is why it is so disappointing, that it is there again.

[floral talon]

can easily take the intern 3 weeks to fix th ose things

[rapid kelp]

how do you get in touch with them, is there like a palia.com/support chat or you just open a ticket and hope for the best?

[wary finch]

that was a long time ago, when I started my 3rd character, who had the conversation with support.

[rapid kelp]

aaaand it just crashed when trying to go to home plot from zeki's underground -.-

good time to check if my apple fertilizer disappeared again lol

[wary finch]

oh great, so another issue it had at that time as well.

[floral talon]

be gflad the fertiliser vaniashes or it will perma g;litch

[rapid kelp]

I don't mind if it stays there forever 😛

[wary finch]

it does it not reliably that is the problem with it.

[rapid kelp]

yep, disappeared again from the same apple

[floral talon]

@wary finch are u ever gonna analyse the hwole what are you supposed to eat thing aswell as gardening and fishing

[wary finch]

well, I bought the missing cooking recipes from reth today, 40k gone lol, so I will cook, even it makes more sense to grill quality fish for xp gain.

[rapid kelp]

all the progress from previous "plot time" was lost, including fertilizer and watered crops (harvested bok choi and planted new ones)

it did keep my progress of purchasing onion seeds though, so that is odd

[wary finch]

which fertilizer is it, support asked me that as well quite often.

[rapid kelp]

the water retain

[wary finch]

ah, with me it was quality upgrade at that time.

but another player lost his speedygro multiple times on apples

with me it was berries and peppers, where it disappeared.

[rapid kelp]

sad

i'll open a ticket tomorrow then ... thanks for the help and info

[wary finch]

hm I don't have the emails anymore with the dialogue with support unfortunately.

but it was quite some time ago, I guess around the time of the maji market.

[rapid kelp]

I'll try to find a pattern and open a ticket, see where it goes. But with the amount of people let off, I doubt it's going to be fixed soon - a shame, cause I really loved this layout

Goodnight 🙂

[wary finch]

but if they can link it to the fix they did before, it might eventually be faster - well, if it was documented professionally, but I doubt actually, that they are doing that.

I guess I'll keep my everything garden with those 4 apple trees a while longer, it is working so well.

[compact gale]

Should I sell my harvestboost fertilzer I get from glow worm farms

ive got like a thousand of them

[floral talon]

unles u wanna do some layout whihc uses em sure

[glass sun]

do blueberry bushes and apple trees go away once harvested like crops?

[wary finch]

after the 4th harvest they do

and not all single tile crops disappear after the first, tomatoes can be harvested 4 times as well.

[glass sun]

Darn i thought those 2 would permanently stay

[wary finch]

they just grow that slowly that it makes you think they would

[novel wave]

Just dropping this here for anyone who might find it useful. Be warned..... there's lots of maths
https://youtu.be/cYBfyRivS8Q?si=Kquvj7rTcusylcYk

[wheat river]

hii! I am a new player and I want to know what is the best way to make gold thru gardening? What is the best vegetable/fruit? How can I make better profit?

[fading island]

I believe bok choy is the best. Do a search on this channel for "bok choy layout" or "money garden".

Someone more experienced than me can to give you better advice. I too am a novice 🙂

[wheat river]

thank you so much! I will defo take a look

[bitter wave]

may I get someones recommandations on generally best garden?

[rancid onyx]

mine is literally 9 plots of apple trees, i'm also curious lmao

[wary finch]

have a look at what Fawn posted above, this is a video from Aqajj, who made as well a public spreadsheet, where you can find out, what would fit your situation best. The spreadsheet itself is here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841 but you will have to watch the video, to understand how it is used.

@bitter wavethe thing is, there is no such thing as a best garden for everyone - it depends on so many factors like available playtime, how many crafters are available, how much effort you want to put into gardening and so on.

it depends a lot as well on what you want to do with your garden - should it support your further gameplay or just create money for example - choosing the max money path will bite you in the a.. later on imo, but you do you.

not that you actually could achieve max money, just max money for a newbie, which is far from what an established player can achieve.

as a rule of thumb you need to realize, that having quality produce is about 50% better than regular produce, and preserving it adds another 50% to the value - so having both available is 1.5x.1.5=2.25 times what regular crop unprocessed will give you.

then there is harvest boost, another 50% - so now we are at 2.25x1.5 = 3.375 - you see how quickly this is going up, if and only if you set up your layout so, that you have these effects in place and you have the infrastructure as well, to process all your produce.

It isn't important to find the best crop, because the differences are just marginal in the end, it is more important to setup up your garden to success with providing quality produce which you are able to process in time and get it harvest boosted, then you are getting in the direction of this high factors and make good money, but it takes time to get there, a high yield garden of an established player won't work the same for a newbie.

[wary finch]

another difference is related to available playtime, because managing your garden will be quite different dependent on if you have a lot of playtime or not that much at all. With a lot of playtime your goal has to be to get as many crafters as possible to be able to handle the flood of produce coming in. You cannot anything let pile up for long, because you would have to sell produce sooner or later.

Whereas with not that much playtime available the goal is more to get enough produce that your preserve jars and seeders are filled enough and can process them in your offline time. This is a totally different approach to managing your farm vs. how a player with a lot of playtime would do it.

that bok choy path for example is better suited to someone with not that much playtime, whereas it would overwhelm someone with a lot of playtime. My current character has a single bok choy growing in her garden, harvest boosted ofc, this single bok choy can keep a seeder busy, because 3 of them take 3.6hrs to be seeded and after 3 hours the next 3 are incoming already - bok choy creates a flood of produce if you plant many of them - but this means as well, if you don't have much playtime available, you can create enough to fill your seeders/jars within a short amount of time and then just let it be processed in your offline hours.

It's a wall of text, sorry about that, but maybe it helps to understand, where the differences are and why there is no perfect garden which would work for everyone the same.

And otherwise I suggest to watch aqajj's video and use his spreadsheet to get even more insights.

[frigid forum]

I want to say that I appreciate your responses on here to the new players. I started playing a little over a week ago, and the first thing I immediately noticed as I joined Discord is that when it came to gardening is that there will be no 1 right way...otherwise there is no need for Palia garden layout. I have been spending this time watching the responses from everyone and adapting my garden to meet what I think my needs are at the moment (and it's largely been your advice because I was new and needed to really grow everything), and everyone's advice on here helped to shape it. You answer everyone with kindness and generousity to try to explain the complexities of the situation, and I completely wished this wall of text could be an easily placeable somewhere where it doesn't get lost in the discussion. What you have said here has helped me immensely, and I wanted to let you know that!

[wary finch]

@frigid forumoh how kind of you to say this, thank you very much.

Aqajj's spreadsheet is a wall of numbers, but if one takes the time to really play around with it and watch the effects (which Aqajj has painstakingly built in his spreadsheet), this can give insights as well. He explains it quite well in his video, even he does it a little fast and it might not be that easy to follow immediately - but a video can be watched several times.

it is especially interesting to me, because his thinking is approaching gardening from a different perspective than mine - I am throughput and result oriented, whereas what crop I plant is not that important (just the layout to create the boosts is ofc), to me it is keeping my jars running and the rest is fluff, but Aqajj is approaching it from actually studying the individual crop and what the outcome of those are if planted nearly as mono-cultures and as well which leeway that crop leaves for different amounts of playtime - this is a very interesting approach as well and very different from mine.

[wary finch]

I know from the past with my other characters that quite extraordinary results are possible with quite extreme layouts in the 5k+ per hour range, but money isn't everything, so I'm not running those layouts but something what will support my gameplay in future. I might try one or the other crazy layout over time again - just to have a little fun with it, when money is of no issue anymore anyway.

[ornate stag]

Returning player after a 4 month break here- is it generally better to jar and worm crops or seed them for profit?

[wary finch]

have a look at this spreadsheet, it will provide the answers you need - and watch that video as well

here the spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

and the video explaining it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

[floral talon]

lv 25 now WOOT!!! no more unstaarred crops now everything stacks nicely in the htingys

[wary finch]

nice, my 5th character has still 1.5 levels to go -congratulations

@ornate stagI prefer mostly jars, because they have an equal value throughput regardless what crop you are using, and create an equal income per rl day and jar of 1800g each with non-starred produce and 2700g per rl day with starred produce - which produce that is, is irrelevant.

[ornate stag]

Is worming still a thing/worth it?

[floral talon]

gardening processing is more owrht it though unless u need hte fertiliser/womrs for actual use but u can make some profit of it by rounding since output of worm farms is based on item gold value and it get rounded up or down at certain point profit can be made but its very little

[ornate stag]

Thank you both so much!

[wary finch]

worm farms have changed a lot, sweet stuff in glow worm farms give now quality upgrade fertilizer, no more speedygro, and everything else gives harvest boost fertilizer in both worm farms. The best feed is now grilled quality fish.

[floral talon]

yeay but htats best feedstock for if ujust want worms and/or fertiliser

[wary finch]

ah yes, good that you mention it, there is not much profit in worm farming anymore

[floral talon]

i havent done the exact math on worms profit but it seemed like theres no bulkable item at hte righ tvalue to get its value rounded up or so low value hte min worms value matters and if there was u better spend ur time hunting/mining/fishing to make more money then those items are worth

[wary finch]

indeed, I tried as well both ends - there is simply not much profit at all in worm farming anymore, it is more kind of a conversion of foodstuff into worms and fertilizer.

the profit comes from fishing with those worms though, because fish prices are a lot better now.

[floral talon]

u could probs fish more coins up in the time it takes to even fill and empty those worm farms ...

and its alot less boring that way to

[wary finch]

I guess a mix of glow worm fishing with some fancy garden layout where you make actually use of all that fertilizer could potentially raise a garden with 120 ticks beyond the half a million per week range.

not counting the income from fishing with it, just the garden and the post harvest process.

but then there is the problem, what to do with it, the cap is 999,999

this is a huge problem palia has, as soon as you start to do anything productively, you are hitting a wall.

[floral talon]

Can store starred appleseeds as money

[wary finch]

oh just tested something really quick with bok choy for someone with just 2-3hrs playtime per day, holy cow, that can get results in the 6k+ range per hour, but requires level 25+ resulting in 100k+ per week, which is quite good for not playing a lot. I would have to create about 700k per week to have equally good value for my playtime,

speedboosted bok choy though.

and not seeding but preserving it.

so there is quite something to play with, rather crazy to run it though.

but Aqajj is correct, there is more to bok choy than expected.

gets like 2.8k/hr from just 4 plots already, really crazy stuff for someone just having 2-3hrs per day.

[frigid forum]

His approach is truly an interesting approach (and I get fascinated by data analytics but I'm bad with math crunching myself). Wow! I wish I had known bok choy can be a profitable crop when I started. I think it did help without my knowledge that it was helping because I was selling stuff before I got preserves opened. I, too, have a different approach (it bores me to follow the same garden layout over and over, so I like changing and adapting to my current needs). I blend gardening with hunting and fishing, so I'm spreading my profits around...so I think I may switch to more of an AFK bok choy layout to accommodate flexibility of hours on game.

[wary finch]

bok choy grows within 3 days, there is not much of afking if you plant quickly growing crops.

I am currently fascinated by the idea to use my farming medals, buying speedygro from the guild shop and boost 250 bok choy per week with it (will be 252 for quite a while, because I have a lot of unused farming medals and this can patch those 2 missing for a very long time). The strip has 12 bok choy spots, which I can boost 21 times (42 ticks per week, and 78 ticks non-boosted).

So given that I just boost for 42hrs per week, this could eventually even work for someone working from home with not much weekend time to play. Or for me, if I decide to do something else with the rest of 78hrs per week.

the idea behind it is this - it is easy to get 100 farming medals in a week from weekly challenges already, this is getting the fertiliser. If I would sell it, I would just get 2500g, but if I speed boost those bok choy, I get 250 bok choy extra, value starred 11,250g and preserved 16,875g, so 6.75 times better than selling the fertiliser.

[frigid forum]

Sorry, I should clarify what I meant from AFK. The AFK is for flexibility with being away from the game IRL and not logging in every other hour to keep the apples going (without it taking a week to complete a cycle of 4). I'm looking for a layout that allows me to stock up when I can play heavy and then make seeds for times I can't log in as heavy in Palia, which bok choy seems to have the flexibility of doing. My life is so chaotic I don't know from one day to the next if I'll get the opportunity to play more than login in for the dailies and water plants. I guess this is another great example of what works for one player won't work for another because my goals have to not be as much for profit but to make the most on here that works for me when I can be on here.

[wary finch]

will have to calculate it because there are as well 9600 apples to process per week and quite a lot of corn as well.

@frigid forumyeah, I need more flexibility as well, I can't run this at 120 ticks per week or I won't have a spouse anymore after a while. So I will have to balance that as well. And bok choy might be the solution to the problem, we just have to figure out, what is the best way to do it.

my life is not chaotic, but it sometimes requires immediate action and then I'm off for a couple of days somewhere on this globe to get things done - this is not really plannable.

[frigid forum]

Lately, I've been playing pretty heavy on here to try to get all my skills to LVL 10 so I can be involved in the weekly challenges, but I have found this game can take as much of your time as you allow it to take (and it's easy to get sucked in). I plan on spending some time to really sink in what that YouTube video is saying about the spreadsheet and then probably design a new layout based on his analytics. I've got time on my apples to really sort it out before implementing a new layout. I"m happy to see what anyone else may come up with, too, and I'll share what mine may look like when I get there.

[wary finch]

careful with posting customized layouts, people do often not read what you say about it and then just copy it without getting the idea behind it. Not that they blame you for having a crappy layout, because it isn't working for them, because it is a layout customized to your personal situation.

[wary finch]

The good thing with Aqajj's spreadsheet is, that it provides the data, my approach doesn't really take into account, because mine is a heavy duty approach, which works with high produce output of the garden, regardless what kind of crop it is, as long as it is preservable. For my situation and playtime this is a good way of thinking about it, but with less playtime, it matters what kind of crop is planted and there might be better solutions to actually create the most value from your produce, and instead to focus on best profit per time unit, which is different from eventually achievable max profit - and this might take into account, that selling produce raw but instantly, creates more profit per time unit quite often, even it is a waste seen from the perspective of total value which could be created, but is time consuming-

[wheat river]

assuming that the crop grows even if I am not online, would water retain plants and/or fertilizer help if I play 2-3 hours a day?

[rapid kelp]

in your "everything garden" can I correctly assume you also have spicy peppers? if yes, can you share that layout please? 💚 & what fertilizer are you using on the crops? I have a 5 tree-4berries layout with onion and bok choi for buff but it's a pain to always have to request peppers for cooking

I promise I won't say your layout is crappy haha

[clear kindle]

at the cost of losing the harvest boost on the apples, you can swap the blueberries for the peppers (the peppers will get harvest boost from the apples) collect as many peppers as you would need for the forseeable cooking future, then swap back to the blueberries to get the harvest boost on apples. then when you need the peppers again, just repeat. again would lose out on the harvest boost for apples during that time. but it would be an option

[floral talon]

remember fertiliser exist for when u cant make ur layout perfect on its own

[rapid kelp]

I think i'm actually using one of your layouts at the moment (thank you), I will give it a try with this swapping of berries for peppers - awesome idea

[rapid kelp]

The crops grow one "tick" every Palian day (6AM), and one "tick" only when you are offline, as far as I know. Water retain buff either from companion planting or from fertilizers help with not having to water the plants every tick, so you can plant your crops, water them and then be on your merry way for those couple of hours/until the crops are ready to be harvested

[wheat river]

So that means that, this one "tick" that the plants grew while I was afk doesn't need to be watered since I am using water retain? Also, I think I will be using that more often when I am out foraging or something...

[rapid kelp]

Yes, that is correct. If you have water retain & no weeds on a plant when 6AM Palian day hits, then the plant grows "1 tick" (out of how many each plant needs to mature and be ready to harvest). It does not matter where you are in game. If 6 AM hits and you have a weed or the plant needs watering, then that crop will not grow. You can stack the fertilizer on a crop up to 99 fertilizers (press G to examine and see how many you have on a crop). If a crop already receives a type of boost from a companion plant, then the fertilizer will not have a counter & will not be consumed

[wheat river]

thank you so much!

oh, so like, if there is the water retain effect from a tomato nearby, that means the water retain fertilizer won't be consumed even if I try using it?

[rapid kelp]

yes, it will just stay on that soil, and never get consumed (might as well not place it there)

[wheat river]

Will it be consumed after the tomato is harvested?

[rapid kelp]

this is why people use that garden planner, to see what boosts you get naturally with no fertilizer, tinker with it and then use fertilizer to further enhance that layout

no, it will be consumed if you harvest the crop that was boosting the tomato plant and then you don't re-plant the crop

[wheat river]

oh, ok got it

I saw the palia garden planner and at first I didn't understand it properly, after reading a few messages here that I understood how it worked lol

I was using it to try the bok choy layout, I am not sure how successful I was tho

[rapid kelp]

Each plant gives a certain type of boost to plants that are adjacent (top, bottom, left and right, without the diagonals). Plants that are boosted by adjacent plants to not require a fertilizer of that type. For your example, if you have tomato (gives water retain) and lets say you plant a potato (also giving water retain) next to it, you will not need to place water retain fertilizer on either crop, cause they boost each-other. If you placed a water retain fertilizer, it will just stay on top forever, cause it is useless while the plants buff each-other (plant buff > fertilizer). If you remove the potato and 6AM hits, 1x from the available Water retain fertilizers on your tomato will be used for the tomato plant

[rapid kelp]

you could share it here and the more experienced gardeners can help give feedback on it. I myself am a potato and can't really improve existing layouts

[wheat river]

Will def do!

Thanks a bunch for your help tho! It answered a bunch of doubts I had

[rapid kelp]

you are most welcome

[wheat river]

if anyone would change anything, pls tell me :P

lol all of 'em would get the water retain fertilizer, idk what happened that i didnt put it on all the plots

[rapid kelp]

1. what level are you at gardening?
2. is your goal 100% water retain and 100% weed prevention?
3. are you set on using only those crops / are you opposed to having other crops inserted there?
4. you have 3 gardening plots currently, correct?

[wheat river]

1. Not a lot, 4. I saw people using apple instead of cotton but since apple is only at lvl 10 of gardening I decided to improve the quality of my bok choys
2. Nope! It doesn't need to be 100%. Water retain is just cuz I am often offline due to work
3. None. I can change if there are better options.
4. I have 9! But currently using 6

[rapid kelp]

The questions I asked are still for the gardening gurus, cause to me it looks fine 😛 As far as I know, pre-level 25 you want to have quality up buff on your plants, to get more $$$ outcome from your gardening, but! You can take a look at this document (also pinned here on discord), at the end you have lots of gardening plans (including pre-apple and pre-blueberries) that you can try if you find your current layout doesn't work for you:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit

[rapid kelp]

also if you do something like this, you get 100% water retain and 100% weed block from companion gardening, and then you can use whatever fertilizer you want (quality up, harvest boost or speedy grow). So you have a row of alternating crops that give the same buff (water retain) and next row alternates other two crops that give same buff (weed block). Then you repeat the same all over your garden, mix and match with plants that you want to grow (e.g. replace on some rows tomato/potato with cabbage, onion/bok choy with carrot)

[floral talon]

though this kind of setup has the problem for beginners that they need both harvest boost and quality up

[rapid kelp]

true, they can combine with cotton partially and use quality boost fertilizer

like this, even if they lose the harvest boost - i don't know how you can do all of the boosts and keep the pattern nice and easy as well

[clear kindle]

yeah, but because this is the "beginner" set up, i would argue that this is the best way for people to start, not worry about harvest boosting or quality (quality will rise as they get the levels, most people will start seeing more star quality crops around levels 15-20 anyways) i would say more importantly, would be to do this setup but instead of doubling a crop, swapping in the third of the set, to try and get the harvest crops achievements, then when they reach higher levels (along with more money and thus more crafters) then worry about the harvest boost. but that's me. i did nothing but tomatoes and potatoes when i started and only got into the apples at level 15

[floral talon]

i personally htink this kind of setup is better for beginners though though it does have some variation

also u really want to pull weeds in the beginning for the renowm of the pull weeds achivement (and i thikn weed is extra xp its extra money to alhtough very little XD)
watring over weedblocker cuz waterring takes super long to and cabbage over potatoes cuz potatoes take super long to process especially with low amount of crafters beginners have

harvest boost is more important then quality up once u got some decent star seeds cuz harvest boost is always ++50% while quality up decreases in usefullness over time

[clear kindle]

and i guess with the speed of which the rice and wheat grow will help level up a bit faster

[rapid kelp]

you can't have weeds at higher gardening level?

[floral talon]

see corn wheat rice as interchangable its like pick whatever u like though rice is technically hte most profitable but also more effort

[nimble tusk]

lol i love that farming is the preffered side hustle for the min/maxers XD One of my friends min/maxs EVERY game he plays so he went to farming IMMEDIATLY

[floral talon]

u can but not with weedblocking plant setups

[floral talon]

same but in my case its more that the effort i cna put into things is limtied as i got more to do

[rapid kelp]

no, that I get, but it sounded like you need to do the achievement in the beginning cause you won't be able to later on (cause no weeds) but you meant actually for getting the renown

[clear kindle]

could technically swap one of the rice for corn, but not sure if that would affect the layouts profits

[floral talon]

i htink syncronysed harvesting is also usefull to make it lazier and corn can be put in jars and seeds depending on what slots are free keep in mind wheat and rice are more coins/palian day then corn but also slightly more work as more harvesting and reseeding and processing capacity is used cuz u get the smae amount faster

[wheat river]

i am thanking everyone here in advance cuz i am reading everything twice so i might not be able to answer y'all properly rn lol

[rapid kelp]

@wheat river , if you go with @floral talon's example above and add WeedBlock fertilizer (purchase at the General Store), you will get 100% harvest boost, 100% water retain, 100% weed prevention and 59% quality increase, which is pretty cool. The pattern is also easy to replicate and I am stealing this pattern lol

[wheat river]

I was looking at that layout! Pretty easy to follow, and I will be using the remaining plots to get knapweed (+ the achievement)

[rapid kelp]

don't forget to go at the two shrines (phoenix and dragon) to use your renown there (lvl up skills faster and have a larger focus pool)

[wheat river]

I was thinking knapweed cuz its one of Caleri's preferred gifts.

[wheat river]

Oh yeah! Thanks for the reminder!

[floral talon]

i didnt make it just sharing but yeay the one on left or right is better depending on how u put ur soils next to each other

[rapid kelp]

I think I give her whatever i find from hunting, in general

[rapid kelp]

I just replicated the left side on all 9 plots and got those numbers, haven't tried mixing and matching with what's on the right side. Right side is tough to replicate (for me, eyes go brrr and brain dies :P)

[floral talon]

side by side square of vertical lane so many options to choose but dont let analysis paralysis happen to ya its better to go with something at least somewhat efficient instead instead of perfect (according to military strategists hitting 80% efficiency is good enough for starters)

[severe vortex]

Silly question but how do you get more gardening plots when you have reached the max amount to buy? Like I only have 1 apple tree but I can't get anymore soil plots.. how do I add more

[floral talon]

9 soils max u can buy from badruu

if u get more ur cheating or glitching

[wary finch]

@rapid kelpthis layout was made to get from a cotton garden to a 1,2,3,4 apple garden with the requirements a new player has like a lot of cotton, getting first quality produce to make quality seeds, replant them and get nearly all quality stuff - just not with cotton, because there should be normal cotton for the loom to get fabric - this is what I currently still run https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RWCrAAAAAA-BkCoBCoCoBAAA-BCoCBAACrAA-OCoRACoOACoR-NNNNNNNNN-AAACoSpSpCoSpSp-AAAAAACbPT-RAAWTOCrPC-AAAWAACrAA-ACoCoASpSpASpSp

so the intention behind it was, to get in easy steps, with not much hassle or disruption of production from the first cotton garden step by step via peppers/berry to 1, 2, 3, 4 apple garden, and just change what is required to still get enough cotton and something from everything.

it is not made as a high performance garden, but to have an easy start up and enough money to acquire all crafter licenses - but it turned out to be a really good garden actually, but more for someone below level 25.

[wary finch]

it will, any rice you replace by wheat or corn will have a negative effect on raw produce value. Neverthess l prefer corn, because I can run it through my jar array, and this way it has better results in the end, because I am not likely to ever process all the rice, but I will process all the corn.

[wary finch]

najuma likes it as well sometimes.

[opal drift]

Sell celebration cakes or put them in glow worm farms for money?

[floral talon]

dont think worm makers are that profitable though it would also give the useless fertiliser

[opal drift]

Okay so I get more money by just selling it in my bin?

[floral talon]

i mean i dont know the exact calc but worm production stuff is based on input gold value and it round it up or down but it gives very little so just sell it unles u need the fertiliser/worms but for that u generally just put some glowwormedgrilledfish in

[floral talon]

and u make way more money per crafter with processing gardening stuff

[opal drift]

Yeah I understand. I will be off for 20h and I had nothing left to put in my worm farms so I figured cake could give me more money than just selling them ”raw”

[floral talon]

depends on if it rounds it up or down

[opal drift]

What does that mean? Sorry I’m a noob

[wary finch]

I wouldn't agree on that you could just let quality go at start, quality, harvest boost and preserving/seeding are not additive, but multiplicative - having just 1 of those effects gains you 50% more value, 2 effects 125% more value, but all 3 effects 237.5% so to let óut just one of these 3 effects costs you more than 100% of the base value of that produce..

[floral talon]

yeay ok but what kind of person owns cakes and worm farms and doesnt have decent gardening level

[wary finch]

I was talking about the start as a newbie, one should focus on getting at least those 2 easy to get effects, quality and harvest boost and add the 3rd one as soon as possible.

[floral talon]

hte sell value of for example cake
wormfarms turn stuff into something else based on that value its like min 1worm 2 fertiliser and then value of item /50 or osmething for glowworms total and /10 or something for fertliser rounded to the nearest 50 and 10 so it can get roudned down and hten u get less value in worms and fertiliser then the item
they changed the formula recently and know i dont know what it is anymore

[opal drift]

Gardening level 14. Was invited by some nice people to a cake party because they wanted to show me how it’s done. That’s why I have 24 star cakes

[floral talon]

oh thats not so much ul eventually eat it

[wary finch]

eh me, I own all crafters but my level is not decent (yet)

[floral talon]

lys ur a special case XD

[opal drift]

Okay! Because maximum focus for me is 450 so eating them now would be a waste

[floral talon]

yeay but im at like the point now that i dont even upgrade my focus boost % anymore cuz i keep running out of focus nonstop and now have to make food

[wary finch]

then keep them for "later"

[floral talon]

unles u need to jum,pstart ur fishing then convert some into glowworms so u can actually fish

[opal drift]

I focused on buying writs for a long time before I realised I should put them on focus boost and focus

I only have 10 writs left lol! And I have around 300 glow worms as of now

[wary finch]

glow worm fishing with just 450 focus - might catch a giant goldfish and that focus will be nearly gone.

[floral talon]

yup focus boost first so u actually use that bar then equal pace then all on barsize and then wriths cuz u struggle to keep the bar filled and hten finish the boost

[floral talon]

yeay but levels also give renown to iincrease the bar so boost also helps

[opal drift]

What do you put in your glow worm farms?

[wary finch]

grilled high value fish

[opal drift]

I have 82% focus boost on 450 focus

[floral talon]

if u just want output then grilled fish cuz they can be like 300 each so u get lots of fertiliser/worms(glow) fast to just fish/fertilise for profit idk i also put osme of my hundreds of meats in to clear storage XD

[wary finch]

you need to upgrade your focus bar, this will be a pain otherwise.

[opal drift]

It is haha! I will do that.. guess that’s why I eat so much food all the time

[floral talon]

only 800renown left till my bar is maxed out i need more food i keep eating everything nonstop

[wary finch]

it is your 82% xp boost causing it

[opal drift]

So what would the ideal ”level up” for the focus be? Let’s say from now on

[floral talon]

i already told ya

[opal drift]

All youtube videos told me to level up focus boost first so I got scared of leveling focus bar

[floral talon]

ya do that till bar size becomes a problem and u cant eat the food u want anymore or have to eat to much then its at some point before balancing em and then its full focus bar

[opal drift]

What is equal pace? I didn’t understand that. I need numbers to understand ;D sorry

[wary finch]

it is not wrong, emma, but you should at least get it to 600, after 600 it is increasing by just 25 each time.

[floral talon]

i so need lys to figure out industrial focus food production

lys i got a job for you

[wary finch]

my inner self talking to me "you do not work for other people"

[opal drift]

Okay thank you! So 600

[floral talon]

but u can

[wary finch]

this is easy to get in 3 steps, more will take you much longer Emma.

[opal drift]

You can always send them a invoice later 😂

[wary finch]

later, no, I am not a servant being paid afterwards.

[floral talon]

im finding sending some silver bars to liz as compensation but not to many

i can send garnets

or fishes

[wary finch]

how about 100 flow planks, I could use those

[floral talon]

uhm i dont have them in such quantities though but im fine with helping ya out on flowwood

[opal drift]

Anyway, thank you for the help guys! I appreciate that

[floral talon]

• literly half the chat is me and lyss bickering lmao-

[wary finch]

it's entertainment

or lets say infotainment

[floral talon]

😂 we are like fricking anglosaxon news anchors lol

anyways back to you lys

[wary finch]

it is showtime soon, so I will go do some gardening and selling stuff

[floral talon]

all right we will be back after a short harvesting crop reseeding/watering and crafter inputting break

[wary finch]

I have just 57% xp boost but 750 focus, this is quite comfortable like this but slow progress level-wise.

how long does it take you to do a little gardening routine, I wonder, I'm normally done before 10am

[floral talon]

i mean i was done in 1min (afk farm setup now)

[wary finch]

ah

takes me around 9 minutes

and if I have to fish about 20 minutes

but 10am is not a good time to fish, I do that later like 2pm-5pm or 2pm to 8pm, then it is already quite dark, but fairy carp and as well giant goldfish like the time shortly after dusk.

yeah I mean I cannot do that in a minute anyway, I have 24 jars to care for, that takes time.

and 4 seeders currently as well, need to decide what to seed next, 9 minutes for all of that plus the gardening itself is quite good imo.

[stable ginkgo]

I went all in on focus % and not bar length and 100% at 500 focus bar was tough hahah. I’m just now finally up to 870 and slowly growing.

[wary finch]

Ha, this is awsome, if I do this bok choy speedboosting that gets me down to 14 ticks with still the same income as with 17.

I chose 750 just in case i run out of focus, that 2 375 focus food can restore me totally

and that can happen, if I just "muscle memory" fish and get 2 giant goldfish in a row lol.

but I would run into problems, if I would do 17 ticks nevertheless, because that requires 29 jars.

14 ticks is fine though, 10hrs to sleep and for everything else which isn't work.

[stable ginkgo]

I was looking at how many crops are processed per grow cycle and bok choy has the lowest i believe for all jars which means you don’t have to harvest much to keep the jars rolling but they also require a lot of seeds to be made. So at that point I wondered if it was better to buy seeds from zeki but I think it came out about the same for both ways. If it were speedbosted we I would think that zeki might be better but I have no data to support this.

[wary finch]

bok choy has a value throughput of 75g like all the other crop in a jar, it is nothing special and I can just calculate with the produce value without to care for what it actually is

making the seeds should require a little more than 1 full seeder time, but I created several hundred seeds to patch what 1 seeder can't do

but this was based on 120 ticks per week, but I just need to do 98 now.

so 1 seeder should be able to do it.

I have just 12 bok choy spots in that layout.

I need 42 ticks for the boosting part, which leaves 56 at normal operation - based on a week.

the strip with speed boosting of bok choy can theoretically support 41.17 jars at nonstop operation, I want to run 24, so I need 24/41.17*24 = 13.99 ticks, so basically 14.

[wary finch]

@stable ginkgoI think I will be fine, because I can run this with 14 ticks, this leaves more time for the seeders to create seeds during my offline hours. The 2nd seeder will be busy making corn seeds most of the time. But I have still 2 uitlity crafter slots, and if things go sideways, I can double the amount of seeders for a short while and be fine.

I'm currently down to 19 crops, but I think next will be apples again.

hm with just 14 ticks I cannot maintain just in time processing, I have to bridge 10hrs, so my jars cannot just run on 4 or 5 layers during those hours.

it is suprisingly difficult to do it with less playtime available

[twin sierra]

Hi, just got online, was hoping someone could let me know what gets me speedygro fertilizer in glow worm farms. Since the update, I can’t get them from apples, and I am not sure what will make it anymore. Thx in advance for advice

[stable ginkgo]

you can only get speedygrow from the skill medal shops now. they changed the fertilizer outcomes in the latest economy update

[covert kettle]

Just use harvest boost instead. You'll be ok.

[twin sierra]

Oh nuts. Thx for the info, but that does suck. I used that the most all the time before.

[covert kettle]

Me too but the money is even better now imo

[twin sierra]

Ok, I have been using that instead, so I’ll keep on keepin' on

[hybrid crypt]

anyone have a good 100% water/weed layout for a 1x3?

[wary finch]

something like this you mean? https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111_CROPS-PCWTBkORCT-PCWTBkOCbCT-PCPTOTPCP

[wary finch]

I'm not suggesting this btw, it is just something following your request - "good" is relative, income-wise it isn't, convenience-wise it is.

convenience is expensive, in your case about 250 per hour, which you don't make, because you prefer convenience.

and this has ripple effects, 1st hour 250, 2nd hour 500, you could already have a plot more (200 left), 3rd hour 750, you could have your 5th plot now ...you see where this is going? - wanting convenience as a newbie is slowing you down in your progress a whole lot. And this would be just the extra plots on top of what you could buy with your normal income. It could be all plots in just a few hours, but so it takes a while longer.

[clear kindle]

"lazy" garden plot layouts should only be used towards mid to end game, once you've gotten all the achievements that gardening provide so you can get the renown. at least, that's how i would look at it. there will be plenty of time once you have access to all crafting licenses to figure out what your garden is going to be in the end based on your game play style. renown, to me, was far more important than gold as you could gain more experience with a higher focus bar/bonus

[wary finch]

it's anyway pointless,@clear kindle, it will not take long and the next request for such a layout will appear.

we are just playing don(na) Quijote here.

[clear kindle]

i know, but at least i can copy/paste it later if need be

[wary finch]

@hybrid cryptI hope you will still read that above, but to show, that there is no pun intended with what I said, here is a better layout, which fulfills your request https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111_CROPS-CTROPWBkTCr-CTROPWBkTCr-CTCOPOBkTBk

when you extend it, shift the right one to the right and copy one of the others and put it in the gap. It is still not what I would suggest, but it fulfills your request.

[faint frigate]

Is there anything missing? I made it for under lvl 10 gardening. Plus the wiki says tomatos water a 3x3 but its not showing here so I trusted the wiki on this

[wary finch]

an effect is just transferred in north-east-south-west direction, not diagonally.

[faint frigate]

This is what the wiki says https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Tomato#:~:text=Its Water Retain buff will hydrate nearby crops (as long as itself is hydrated) in a 3x3 area.

IDK i havent tested it cause im currently broke but im not sure

[wary finch]

it does not, it is simply not correct in the wiki

[faint frigate]

Ah damn 😦

back to the drawing board

[wary finch]

look at your layout plan,you see the water retain in north east south west of a tomato, but not diaglonally, that water drop is the symbol for it.

[faint frigate]

Yea I know I just thought that the wiki would know better

Made a whole document for optimal growth

[wary finch]

I guess it is just in a strange way put, it is in a 3x3 area, but not in the corner spots of that area.

[faint frigate]

yea its the only one that says that so i thought it would water 8 spots not 4 😦

[wary finch]

I'll show you something more complete from Aqajj, a spreadsheet and a video which explains it, just a moment need to look for the links

[faint frigate]

thanks

I just started yesterday so im still not totally familiar w/ the mechanics

[wary finch]

video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841

eventually overwhelming, listen to the video several times and then try the spreadsheet.

@faint frigateif you cant figure it out yourself, you can just take this and copy the rows downwards, for a start it is not bad, even I always suggest a cotton garden, because cotton adds quality boost to other plants and you need a lot of fabric later on, which is made from cotton in the loom.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111_CROPS-CTROPWBkTCr-CTROPWBkTCr-CTCOPOBkTBk

[wary finch]

I like this statement, it is so ambitious, "still not totally familiar" on day 2, sounds to me like "not yet, but in a few hours I will be there" - the way, in which I'm thinking as well. Good luck.

[faint frigate]

Thanks 👍

[true saffron]

Anybody have profitable glow worm farms that I could steal ideas from?

Preserve farms/seed farms also work. Just looking for minimal effort profit

[tranquil ginkgo]

Theres sooo much info via the search bar of all this being provided, save what you need

[tranquil ginkgo]

Im home and put the 4 apple tree garden in, until I hit 25 gardening, phew

[primal sage]

hii, I've just collected some apple and blueberry seeds and I want to have a better farm layout if anyone is able to help me out? I'm not so sure how valuable blueberries are but I just decided to collect some in case they are. (same with spicy peppers as well)

I'm still quite new to the game but I think preserve jars are good to have? I would like to have a few cotton crops in the layout if that's possible for the preserve jar recipe.

Does anyone have a good farm layout they could share with me that mainly helps with earning gold and cotton as well?

im also level 9 gardening if that matters

[tranquil ginkgo]

ill send you all the ones ive saved from Lys

1 apple tree https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCBBOBBC-R.HCoCCCoOAAA-RCoCWTOCrCoC-RCoC.HWTO.HCrCoC.H-NNNNNNNNN-WSpSpCoSpSpCr.HCoC-AAAAAACbPT-RCoBkWTOCrPC-RCbBk.HWCoSpCrCoSp-CWCrSpBBSpBB

2 apple trees, just make space of the berries and the apple tree and change the 3 crops above the 2nd tree https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCBBOBBC-OCoBCCoBAAA-BCoCBAACrAA-OCoCATOACoC.H-NNNNNNNNN-WSpSpCoSpSpCr.HCoC-AAAAAACbPT-RAAWTOCrPC-ACbBk.HWCoSpCrCoSp-CWCrSpBBSpBB

3 apple trees
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCBBOBBC-OCoBCCoBAAA-BCoCBAACrAA-OCoRACoOACoR-NNNNNNNNN-WSpSpCoSpSpCrCoBk-AAAAAACbPT-RAAWTOCrPC-AAAWAACrAA-ACoCoASpSpASpSp

4 apple tree everything https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RWCrAAAAAA-BkCoBCoCoBAAA-BCoCBAACrAA-OCoRACoOACoR-NNNNNNNNN-AAACoSpSpCoSpSp-AAAAAACbPT-RAAWTOCrPC-AAAWAACrAA-ACoCoASpSpASpSp

Level 50 up you can later decide to go for a high yield garden, this for example is what my gardening level 50+ characters are running with 25 jars 3 seeders, 2 worm farms https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrBkCrWBBBkBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkAAWAACrAA-ARWABBABB-NNNNNNNNN-CAARAACrAA-ABBABBARW-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBARWA-AARAACrAABk

[primal sage]

thank you! also could I ask why the layouts aren't like the usual 3x3 ones? just trying to understand haha

[tranquil ginkgo]

Lys just has them set up to surround each other with the benefits better, others use a 3x3 but seen anything as comprehensive step by step as you level or get more seeds etc than this

[primal sage]

ah i see, but you would recommend following this layout as it is right?

[tranquil ginkgo]

I do and it does well, i just got to the 4 apple tree layout and will stay with that until level 25 gardening at least

its based around getting lots of preservers to process all the produce etc

[primal sage]

thank you for your help!

[ebon chasm]

Guys, I want to ask, which is more profitable between selling raw agricultural materials, or being used as food and processing?

[primal sage]

btw for the 4 apple tree layout, is there no fertiliser required for it?

[tranquil ginkgo]

not really, i think some put some extra on for achievs

[wary finch]

@primal sagehi Rae, my garden is that way, because it fits in a certain forest clearing on my plot, which I really like and enjoy, the only other shape which would go there is "the strip". The garden @tranquil ginkgo showed you came to be from cotton garden, which I step by step extended to become a 4 tree everything garden in the end, it has clearly a cotton focus, but is a hands-on garden, you will have to water and weed -but it will get you to 4 apple trees in quite simple steps to expand when you'll have the new seeds.

you get enough stuff from this garden, don't bother with fertilizer.

[primal sage]

ahh i see, I currently have 7 apple tree seeds, so ill be following your layout 😄

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgothe achievement part I intend to cover with "the strip", where I intend to speedboost 250 bok choy per week using the fertlizer I can get from those weekly farming challenges. I calculated the strip, it can theoretically support 41.17 jars with non-stop operation and temporary bok choy speedboost, so this garden will be good to reduce my workload from 17 down to 14 ticks, while still running 24 jars.

[primal sage]

after getting enough cotton, should i still stick w this layout?

[wary finch]

my 5th character will be lvl 25 today, then I shut this garden down and will do "the strip" instead , because I need no quality boost anymore and I have more than enough fabric (around 240) made and I have already all crafters unlocked and crafted. This is the strip starting with lvl 25 https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACCrABkCr-AAAAAAAAA-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACWABkCr

the strip is kind of an experiment, because I will not just use speedygro from the guild store, but as well eliminate the long wait for apples totally, planting my apples with a timely distance of 2 hours, in order to have at least 24 apples every other hour in future without ever having a long wait for apples again.

this said, it has it's problems, because it is more kind of a just in time processing which does not really allow for many offline hours, or the jars will get empty (and cost 2700g per hour in opportunity cost for every hour in which they are empty).

I am just experiencing what that means, I ran out of produce with my garden and now my jar array is empty for an hour, it feels really bad.

[tranquil ginkgo]

Let me know how the strip goes Lys, Im still a way behind you just losing a full week while on holiday too lol

[wary finch]

where did you guys go, Brissy is very nice at this time of the year

[tranquil ginkgo]

We were in Noosa

Needed the warmth 🤣 arrived home to 3 degrees this evening

[wary finch]

ok, nights are always cold in kind of semi-desert environments.

[tranquil ginkgo]

We're up in the mountains in NSW so a true four seasons weather

[primal sage]

ahh i see, so you would recommend this farm layout after i have gotten enough fabric?

[wary finch]

it is made for a lot of gaming hours, it can be run with less as well, but not really if you plant the trees in sequence like I do, because apples would not pile up to have filled jars in long offline hours.

that is something I am still struggling with to decide, how to manage that, I hate it, when jars go empty, because they earn me nothing in this case. In every hour where this would happen, I'm missing out on 2700g income.

And this just happened, I am down to 2 produce - but apples are next, so it will restart in a few minutes.

I have 1 corn and 1 carrot left - lol

ok plenty of rice and wheat, but they cannot go in jars.

[primal sage]

yeah i dont think ill be able to be online that often enough for it

[wary finch]

@primal sageI think with lvl 25+ you can go for whatever you like, you don't need quality boost anymore, if you just plant star seeds, and there are layouts for any need and purpose- They are all quite good imo, the strip is more for a crazy person like me, who tries to push the results.

[primal sage]

ill definitely follow your layout with the cotton, im just wondering what layout would be good after ive gotten enough fabric. I always want to use the best layout (i think mainly to earn more gold lol) but not sure which is the best

but thanks for all of your advise

[wary finch]

there is not really a best for everyone, and there might be garden layouts many don't think about. Aqajj made a quite complex analysis of the crops in this spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lryD_DEc_AT2pCEE1dYhzqe0_Tqu1OSIG5OJxJsjTxo/edit?pli=1&gid=755509841#gid=755509841 and explains it in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYBfyRivS8Q

[primal sage]

alright ill check that out, thanks!

[wary finch]

it is a little overwhelming at start, maybe watch it twice.

[primal sage]

alrightt

[wary finch]

what Aqajj's analysis shows is that there are other possible layouts, which might not be looking that sophisticated, but produce good results as well. And he made his spreadsheet so, that you can find out, what might be good for you, your playstyle and time investment.

[clear kindle]

oh great, i've got a freaking fertilizer bug, how fun

[wary finch]

the fertilizer disappearing from your spot bug?

[clear kindle]

last night before i went to bed, i topped off my apples and blueberries with water retain. checked on them right now after logging in and all of the blueberries are down to having 92 fert on them (makes sense) but my apple trees 3 of them have 81 fert on them (again, makes sense) but the other two are down to 27

[wary finch]

now this is weird, never heard about this happening before.

[clear kindle]

it's like the fert got used while offline

[wary finch]

so it took 4 times the fertilizer on those two.

72 instead of 18

but there is another bug which reappeared with fertilizer, the all stacked fertilizer gone bug, guess the same I reported start of the year and which got fixed soon after - it is now back.

can happen on random 2x2 crop and apple trees.

I don't know what they are doing, it cannot be complicated to make this work properly.

@tranquil ginkgoNoosa looks nice and not even that far from Brissy, would you recommend Noosa?

[wary finch]

all running nicely again, the sound of income, quite noisy, but I love it.

the strip with bok choy boost, calculated over 360 days - 2.1 million, I never had any layout even coming near to it

well, it is just a value with which I compare layouts to others - it is not the effective income.

it's even 2.18 so nearly 2.2 million, my others in the past never really got to 2 million before.

[rapid kelp]

Uneven number of fertilizers getting used happens to me as well, noticed today on the berries and apples and bok choy... Onions are fine

[wary finch]

so would you recommend to fertilize every day and just put down 1 unit per tile?

[split tulip]

How would I make a beginner garden that prioritizes water retaining and quality increasing?

[rapid kelp]

Thanks @wary finch for the layout, I'll tinker with it for lvl 25+ and see what i get

[wary finch]

just a moment @split tulipI will exchange weed protection with water retain in my cotton garden layout and give it to you in a bit

[split tulip]

Okay ty

[rapid kelp]

Yeah, it looks like I'll just put one fertilizer and apply it daily, or maybe just 3x cause fertilizing daily is a nightmare

[wary finch]

@split tulipif you put them in a strip instead, just the 3 grains on the left need water retain fertilizer to get to 100% https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-R.HpCoPW.HpCoTCr.HpCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP-NNNNNNNNN-R.HpCoPW.HpCoTCr.HpCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP-RCoPWCoTCrCoP

[split tulip]

Thanks

So cotton only boosts in a single straight line? And tomato in two straight lines?

[wary finch]

@rapid kelpyeah but I have just 12 spots to fertilze and need to harvest every day anyway.

@split tulipit's to maximize cotton output which giving quality boost to those around it, cotton itself doesn't need the quality boost, because it is mainly made for the loom to craft fabric, and there is no such thing as starred fabric, so simple cotton is good enough and whatever gets star quality, will be reseeded and replanted, so you will get more starred cotton as well over time.

boost are applied to those plants in north east south west direction

[split tulip]

Ah. What is reseeding?

[wary finch]

you craft seeds with the seed maker and use it to replant the crop, preferably with star seeds.

[split tulip]

Ohhh I see

[wary finch]

this way your garden will produce more and more quality cotton over time, and then you can start as well selling those starred cotton seeds.

[errant scarab]

Not played since before the cake party nerf, anyone got a layout for the best garden to have at the moment? Not sure what the best layout is to have at the moment, apples still the best thing to focus on?

[wary finch]

donna quijote mode active - hello @errant scarab there is not really a best layout which would work for everyone, apples are still good though.

[errant scarab]

Ah fair enough, thank you :)

[wary finch]

and there is as well the question which kind of "best" - best profit per time unit spent, best value gain overall independent of how long this might take, a mix of those - "best" is really very much dependent on what you actually want to achieve.

and there is the "best", which is not money-wise best, like best to progress my character more quickly, best in providing all the stuff I will need in future and so on.

@errant scarabyou might want to take a look at this post. Aqajj made a quite intensive study about crops and what can be done with those, it's a spreadsheet and a video explaining it #🌱│gardening message

[errant scarab]

Ahh okay, i was looking for the best money wise layout, I’ll take a look at the spreadsheet and video, thank you :)

[wary finch]

I will run "the strip" shortly, boosting 250 of those bok choy with speedygro as well, running it at 14 ticks per day with 24 jars and 2-3 seeders. Income is basically limited by the amount of jars used, with 24 jars that is 64.8k per rl day. It could be run with any number of jars, but then the amount of playtime required will increase as well (like 17 to 18 per day) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACCrABkCr-AAAAAAAAA-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACWABkCr

it can theoretically support 41.17 jars with nonstop production, from this you can calculate how much play time is required, for example if you want to run 28 jars, it's 28/41.17*24 = about 17 ticks. Income is then 75.6k per rl day. But running it that intensely means as well, if you do any less hours, you will be out of produce very quickly, because 28 jars consume 2100g produce value every hour.

ah, I am not seeding those bok choy (just for replants ofc), but preserve them.

due to that we can no longer craft speedygro in glow worm farms, the amount of speedboosting is limited by the amount of gardening medals you can acquire (which is actually a gardening nerf).

[hybrid crypt]

Sorry I just saw this, thank you so much!! it’s perfect for what I want haha

and I’m good income wise, been playing a while. just want something easy to keep up

[wary finch]

glad you like it. yeah, it is sometimes hard to tell, how experienced a player is, so the advice might not match the actual person.

[wary finch]

for those who might wonder why I don't like seeding bok choy, even it makes more value gain per used produce value than in a jar - it is throughput of value per day, I need 2 seeders to push 1800g produce value through seeders, but just 1 jar for the same value throughput - in a high performance garden running at high ticks, it is imo more important to push the highest amount of produce value through your processing array, otherwise you cannot cope with the incoming flood of produce.

With less ticks per day, it might be better to seed the bok choy though.

[ember flicker]

I just wanted to say thank you for always answering so calmly and kindly, no matter how often the same question is asked. With your help, I've been able to build my garden so that it suits me perfectly, both for cooking and for gold

[wary finch]

thank you so much, that is very kind of you to say that.

I always try to give the reasoning behind it, basically to help people to get "their personal" garden in the end, which fits them well - instead to copy just anything and running it without to really know why it works or doesn't.

"the strip" for example is a pure money making setup, it provides nothing because everything is processed just in time, there is no stock of produce building up, it leaves nothing but money behind.

[ember flicker]

Your tips have helped me a lot, especially figuring out what to grow so that it fits best with my in-game time and how many jars/seed collectors I need in the end so that I can process everything.

[wary finch]

yeah, that I figured out how balanced those jars actually are, is a huge help to find out what is required.

Seeders are unfortunately not like this. Or, other option, I'm just too stupid to figure it out yet.

[ember flicker]

I'm always experimenting with seeders, jars and worm farms (I fish a lot) and trying to figure out which plant fits where best for me. It's a never-ending story ^^

[wary finch]

yeah, same for me, I puzzle with the planner a lot - there might be crazy layouts, which could create extreme results, so it's fun to try something wierd as well. And I should really play around with Aqajj's spreadsheet more often, he has a different approach to it, and playing around with that spreadsheet might give further insights.

[civic wigeon]

What I have for cake parties or other cooking parties

[wary finch]

your berries don't support your apple trees, that is why you have no harvest boost on those, this is missing out on 128 apples per cycle.

[civic wigeon]

Then idk how to do that. I’ve been trying other things

[wary finch]

for that to be achieved, it is better to shift the middle tree (which is on a full plot and easy to move) in the upper right corner, and put berries in a pattern starting from the middle plot so, that they support harvest boost on all 4 apples.

[civic wigeon]

Ahhhh ok

Thank you

[wary finch]

if you cant figure it out yourself, I'll help you, but I will not be able to during the next 6 hours. (partying with my friends in second life coming up next).

[civic wigeon]

Yeah I might need help. I’m new to this. I can wait though because I work here soon anyways

[lusty sequoia]

Hello all, I just wanted to say how awesome it is to see how helpful everyone is being. I've learned a great deal and am well on my way to having a good thriving garden. Lys Straya I've found your garden planners to be invaluable and am now working on the 1st apple tree setup. 🙂

[faint frigate]

Made a Garden trying to include the most amount of plants while still being Afk-able

Fixed*

[floral talon]

am i the only one who finds the bullseye layout an absolute pain to harvest and replant

[faint frigate]

Whats the bullseye layout

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HPTCCrRPRCr-BkCrTCRPPCrC-BkCT.HRCrPCrRC-TCBkCrRCrBkPT-TCBkRCrRBkPT-TPBkCrRCrBkCT-CRCrPCrRT.HCBk-CCrPPRCTCrBk-CrRPRCrCTPBk.H

[faint frigate]

That uses fertilizer

This is as close as i got to 100% all 3

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CCbTOCrOCbWC-CrCOWCbWCrTCr-TCbCCrWOCOCb-TCrCbOCTWCrO-WOWCrCCrWCbW-CbCrTTCOCrWCr-CbTCCWCrOCbT-CrTOWCbCrCOC-CTCbWCrCTCbO

[floral talon]

u cannot poossibly put water retain weedblock and harvestboost on the corners anywyas without fertiliser and it uses only 4 fertiliser on the corners so its ok urs would use 5 so its actually worse(in fertiliser regards)

[faint frigate]

yea its worse

[floral talon]

btw i made my own version of bullseye thogh it requires weedblocker and waterretain fertiliser 4 fertiliser tops but in lane form which should be easier to plant and harvest

[faint frigate]

Smart

[floral talon]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-P.WCbCCrRCrC.HpBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbCCrRCrCBkP-BkPCbCrRCrCbCBk-CBkPCrRCrPCbC-CbCBkCrRCrBkPCb-PCbC.WCrRCrCBkP.Hp (updated for easier reseeding just diagonally seed) its htis one its profit per palia day is also quiet high

[fierce kelp]

I put in a suggestion that they should really incorporate a farm structure building that has an assignable seed chest. That way you can load seeds into the chest that will automatically drop seeds once that tiled spot is gone.

[floral talon]

that would mae it so u only have to harvest yes? (and a place to store seeds lmao (but thazts the same logic as me using a dishwasher as a cabinet for dirty dishes))

[fierce kelp]

Basically, I wrote out a full length explanation to the devs, but in the idea is that you could unlock a building like the Courtyard, but its obtained through farming skill, or relation with Badruu.

And the structure contains a chest, or something that allows you to assign crops to tiled plots of soil. That way you can stock up seeds and not have to worry about your layout getting screwed up on harvest

Cause for me, my OCD hates when crops are ready on different days & I have to replant a select few, and if I forget, then my bonus are missing, etc...

[floral talon]

thats why i redesigned layouts ot be easier to work with

[floral talon]

like this one

u cannot screwup replanting on it unlike the original bullseye

[fierce kelp]

I mean, middle row makes sense, but top and bottom are different?

[floral talon]

... OMG ur totally right htey do not have to be like that any longer since i fixed the uneven numbers problem like i kept trying to fix osme original design and then made it overcomplicated ugh i feel so stupid rn for that

il fix it right away to be even simpler kay

[fierce kelp]

All good!

[floral talon]

nvm it was like that so the middle row is full weedblock and watered

[fierce kelp]

Makes sense

Whats your reasoning with those crops tho?

[floral talon]

bokchoi carrots rice and cabbage are harvested at same intervals like its an away from plot setup so the whole point be ruined if u constantly have to harvest
corn and potatoes also lineup at same harvest times
this is why idont go with tomatoes or onions or wheat

[fierce kelp]

hmmm

[floral talon]

if u have to harvest every hour on an away from plot setup it aint away from plot at all and u mnight aswell nto weedblock or not water retain(nvm water retain just saves a ton of work)

[fierce kelp]

This is why I made my suggestion xD

I think farming would be better if they add some sort of automatic seed placement for people who enjoy complex layouts

or

They should add sprinklers to players who get level 20 in farming

[floral talon]

i feel like the way it is now is intentional but then again the players doing farming probs wanna have some kind of ghost of a crop so u do not mess up layouts

[fierce kelp]

I mean, the game is setup for some formats of automation already.

Glow worm farms, & Seed makers...

So the constant repeat task of checking on crops gets daunting, and for late game players, its more of a chore than anything else, since there is nothing new to work for after you get apples, ya know

[floral talon]

i onyl havent obtained perfect everything layouts whcih i probs wont do and perfext 2x2plant layouts(which i wont need for quiet some time)

[wary finch]

@civic wigeonI don't really know what you need, so I put a little bit of everything into it, assuming that you get quality produce anyway though https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkCbTOAAPAA-RCAAOAAWA-AAPAATAACb-CbAAOCCrTAA-ATBTCbBABB-BOBkBPTAAA-PAACAAOPT-ABBABkTCCoCb-AAAAAAOCBk

I am not that good with 3x3 layouts, so maybe someone else can help to make it better.

[civic wigeon]

this is good! Thank you so much!!!!

[wary finch]

just 2x2? berries, peppers, corn, cotton, mostly quality stuff, works for below level 25 as well https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrBBCoBBSpSpSp-CrBBCoBBSpCrSp-CrBBCoBBSpCrSp-CrBBCoBBSpCrSp-NNNNNNSpCoCr-SpSpSpCoBBCrBB-SpCoSpCrBBCoBB-SpCoSpCrBBCoBB-SpCoSpCrBBCoBB-SpBBCrBBNNN

and is HANDS-ON of course

[floral talon]

lys what ya thinking of my afk lane setup?

[wary finch]

saved it under "beautifully crafted strip"

just shows how versatile farming actually is

[slim saddle]

I have a question. Does the level of our skill have any effect on our gardening?

[wary finch]

yes it does, you get 2% chance per level for getting quality produce from normal seeds, and if you plant star seeds this adds another 50%, so at level 25+ you will just get star quality produce from star seeds and at level 50 everything will turn out star quality, regardless of the seed quality.

[slim saddle]

Thank you for the quick response! I've been lurking for awhile, so there are many layouts you posted I like so I'm trying to decide which would benefit me the most.

[wary finch]

one with a lot of cotton, if you are new - you will need a lot of fabric, which is made from cotton in the loom.

[floral talon]

if ur new i got perfect layout for you just say how many soils u got

[slim saddle]

I'm lvl 35

[floral talon]

ic ur in the i need an everything farm face so i can use it as a shopping mall

[wary finch]

should we let her strip, eh, do the strip, eh, run the strip, @floral talon?

[slim saddle]

I have no clue what that means

[wary finch]

the strip https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACCrABkCr-AAAAAAAAA-BkCrACCrABkCrA-AABkAACAABk-CrAACrAACrAA-ABkCrACWABkCr

[tranquil ginkgo]

means you want at least one of everything lol

hows the strip going Lys?

[wary finch]

nah the strip is a pure money making setup

[floral talon]

but we need more info opn what strip to send what does she wanna farm?

[wary finch]

I am shutting down the everything garden still, ofc not just by ripping everything apart, but slowly with using freed apple tree spaces for other crop

[tranquil ginkgo]

not doing apples anymore?

[wary finch]

certainly apples, in the strip, but I shut down the everything garden now and my trees are planted with a 2 hour distance, so when the first went down, it takes another 6 hours for the others to be gone, and these 6 hours I use to farm some other quickly growing stuff in those former apple tree spaces.

[slim saddle]

I honestly don't know what to farm. I been doing 6 apple trees and the other 3 was just for when I ran out of crops.

[floral talon]

whats ur goal of farming? tell uis what u want to accomplish by farming and we got a layout for that

[glass sun]

when do the accomplishments reset are they weekly or daily?

[floral talon]

weekly challenges are surprisingly weekly (and will reset in 3days and ~5hours from now)

[slim saddle]

My gameplay is trying to lvl up my skills but also money making. My garden would have to include help with cooking ingredients cause that's my worst lol

[glass sun]

darn I thought they were daily

[floral talon]

its generally better to stockpile what u need for ur cooking once and redo those plants once ur about to run out but what plants do you need?

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgoI need those hours anyway, just level 24.33 so yeah takes those hours still to get to 25.

[slim saddle]

I will try the strip garden but is there one with cotton and apples?

[floral talon]

if ya need cotton real bad just run one cotton setup once cotton harvestboostitng plant cotton (unles low level which u told u werent)

[wary finch]

the strip is a high performance garden,which should not be messed with,it is made for speedboosting 250 bok choy as well and could support 41.17 jars with nonstop production, it is NOT a cotton garden.

you dont take a ferrari to plow fields, do you? - this is what you are trying to do when you want cotton in it.

bummer, I just realize, that ferrari actually had tractors as well -lol

[tranquil ginkgo]

I only just hit 14 gardening now so will keep going with the 4 apple tree

[floral talon]

do stockpile some incase u need em for bundle cooking gifting

[wary finch]

it is a good garden, I just want to run the strip now, it is not that the garden would be bad.

[rapid kelp]

this one is so beautiful I want to re-do my current layout but I need to make space on my plot for 9x1 instead of 3x3

simple and elegant and efficient

[floral talon]

can also go for self watering on it instead of weedblock but lys chose the weedblock plants cuz they more coins/hour or something

[wary finch]

nah because bok choy is a weedblocker and I want to speed boost it.

[rapid kelp]

it looks like it has water retain though? with weedblock it looks like it's 100% all (water, weed, harvest)

[wary finch]

it is not made for convenience at all, I have to harvest every day anyway - it is made for profit and to speedboost 250 bok choy to get the results of 17 ticks per day in 14 - that frees me some time for quality time with my spouse for example.

[rapid kelp]

so you're using speedy gro instead of weedblock, since you are on the plot to harvest and reseed any day anyway, correct?

[floral talon]

or u can just play less ...

[rapid kelp]

blasphemy

[wary finch]

no those bok choy are what I will be speedboosting, they are not there to weedblock in the first place,but to be speed boosted.

[rapid kelp]

ah wait I messed up, I added water retention to make it 100% (100% water retain, 100% weedblock and 100% harvest boost) not weedblock cause weedblock is already there from the crops

[wary finch]

those 12 will be boosted 21 times per week - 12x2x21 = 504 fertilizer required, 500 from weekly challenges, and I have enough medals to patch the missing 4 for a long time to come.

[rapid kelp]

I think I'll stick to 3x3 for now cause my plot is definitely not getting a re-do again ... even though strip garden layout is so pretty

off to bed, good night folks

[true saffron]

ok so gardening question. When you reach level 25, are you guaranteed star crops?

[alpine lagoon]

At level 38 is when you always get star crops.

[wary finch]

from where do you get that?

[alpine lagoon]

Well you can see it on the palia gardener thing. I am over 38 and can confirm.

[wary finch]

hm, this would mean there is a 25% extra chance somewhere?

let me have a look at the planner, this is something I didn't know yet, if that's the case

[alpine lagoon]

I also thought at 25 it was guaranteed but when I but 25 it wasn't the case. Then I noticed on the planner as you increased the level it increased the chance and at 38 it was 100%

[wary finch]

very interesting, just extracted the formula 0.25 + (0.25 * useStarSeeds) + (0.02 * level) + (0.5 * hasQualityBoost)

so basically a newbie at level 1 has actually a chance of 27% and not 2%

[floral talon]

50% normal seeds 100%star seeds at that level

[wary finch]

well, not really, my work requires long hours anyway, basically covering news and reports of time zones from GMT-5 to GMT+10, so just 14 ticks would already be cutting down on work hours.

[floral talon]

i wish i could work ur hours

[wary finch]

not from the formula I just extracted from the planner, at level 25 it would be 75% with normal seeds.

[floral talon]

wow thats more then i thought

[wary finch]

indeed but Zen told me where to find the formula.

it is actually mentioned in the info about the planner, the i icon.

[magic jolt]

Anyone got a layout that can fit 5 or more apple trees, 100% water retain, and at least 1 of each crop (except cotton). This is the layout I've been using, the onion can be replaced with carrot

Link: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TAAPAATAA-APTABBABB-PTPAAAAAA-PBBCbBBAAA-SpSpCrSpSpPWPCb-AAABBOBBCb-AAAAAARPCb-BBABBAPBkA-AAPAACbAAP

[wary finch]

5 trees, 100% water retain -ok, but 1 of each crop, no, you have after the water retain and the 5 trees about 18 spots left, you cannot fit one of each in that small space.

it should be possible though if you lower your water retain requirement a bit, high water retain but not totally, that could work

[fading island]

I'm'a steal this, thank you very much 😄

[wary finch]

look at this, it has 100% water retain, 5 apples, no cotton as you requested,but it is missing bok choy, carrot and onion https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RTCbWBBPBB-AAAAAAAAA-CrAATAAPAA-ACbTABBABB-NNNNNNNNN-CbAAPAACbAA-ABBABBATCb-AAAAAAAAA-PTASpSpASpSpA-AAPAATAAP

and 2 apples have no harvest boost

[alpine lagoon]

5 Apple trees and one of everything except cotton 100% water retain

[wary finch]

holy cow, Zen, you are a wizard

but why have 5 trees like this, if they aren't making much money?

[alpine lagoon]

oh no i wouldnt say that

you can make money from apple jam

[wary finch]

I know, but a layout with less 2k/hr is just meh

not critizing your work here, that is awesome that you got it done, but not really sensical to actually use it

[alpine lagoon]

its nbd, maybe they're not trying maximize profits, everyone gardens for different reasons i suppose. This is my money making layout

[wary finch]

nearly 1.5 million in 360 days, that is really good for a water retain layout

[alpine lagoon]

Yeah its definitely solid. Im 3/10M made for the achievement.

but you need to have enough preserve jars running all of the time to be making that much money, ive got 19 up rn and thats light for what i usually run

[wary finch]

I am just using this to compare layout performances, this is definitely not what you can achieve, because you are human and not a machine which could run 24/7/365

I normally use the raw value (for 360 days), not the processed one, and divide it by 15 to get to 24 hrs, then I estimate which part of it cannot be preserved and substract it from the 24hrs value - then to see how many jars could be theoretically supported I divide it by 1800 - now I have the amount of jars, which could be supported with nonstop production - and from this I can now either calculate, how many jars I need for my playtime in a day, or how many hours I would have to play to run a certain amount of jars.

[alpine lagoon]

if you just get a nice stockpile of anything you're jarring before you start all of the jars it makes it way easier to keep more jars going all the time and grow enough to replenish the stock.

[wary finch]

I run it just in time, I have nearly never a big stock of anything (well, other then mass amounts of fabric), I guess I have like 350 fabric meanwhile.

like currently, 1 tomato left

and my inventory is meanwhile below 2300

it is very flexible but it does not allow long pauses, because I have normally just 2-3 layers in my jar array, which often does not last longerthan 3hrs.

so when I have a break, I condense 24 jars into 16 or 8, put 8 or 16 seeders out and let the piled up wheat, rice and cotton be seeded.

so everything stays busy, it is just a bit less income during that time.

currently I'm shutting down my everything garden, this creates a bottleneck situation until the new garden will be up and running, this is why i am nearly out of produce.

not problematic though, I run more seeders and get rid of all that excess rice and wheat soon.

when I setup my new garden, I will cut down whole forests and plank them with an array of saw mills meanwhile

has to be done as well,and this is the best time to do it, because it is not interrupting any farm operation.

[clear kindle]

okay, this is annoying, again lost more fertilizers on my trees while i was offline... i'm going to have to rethink my farm layout again

[fading island]

what causes them to get lost? That's happened on my garden too

[clear kindle]

don't know honestly. i put down a full stack of water retain on my 5 apples/4 blueberries. then when i come back after logging off, some of the plants have what i would expect the amount of fert to be (in the 92 for the blueberries and 81 for the apples as it would use a few ticks during the one offline tick that you usually get) but other trees are down to the 50's or even 20's from a full stack. i know that it's not that expensive to buy the water retain fert, but it's the principle that i'm loosing that money when the crops use more than what it should

one tree is down to 18 fertilizer, another is down to 54, and one apple tree has 81 and another only has 63. i completely filled them during my lunch break at work at 5:30

i like harvesting everything at once and having all of my crops on the same time table, it throws everything off when the fertilizers aren't staying on the crop

[wary finch]

this is an old bug reappearing, don't put stacks on it, it might work when you lay down one fertilizer and don't leave your housing plot until 6am, this was my workaround start of the year for this bug.

this bug was related to leaving/returning to your housing spot at that time.

and that with the fertilizer counts is even more weird,but a different bug

[clear kindle]

you mentioned that starred grilled fish made from fairy carps produce a lot of harvest boost fertilizers, yes?

or am i misremembering things

[tranquil ginkgo]

Love this, nice income too

[wary finch]

with normal worms fairy carp grilled is good, with glow worms go for cloudfish and giant gold fish

I run most of the time star quality grilled mirror carp, because they can be caught with normal worms and are starred 390g, so you get 41 worms and 41 fertilizer in a normal worm farm, or 7 glow worms in a glow worm farm.

and there are plenty mirror carps in the pond, nearly at any time, but best time is between 3pm and shortly after dusk and right after midnight to shortly after 6am

starred grilled fairy carp is 1080g, that gets you 110/110 or 21/110

@tranquil ginkgoreached level 25 now

fairy carps are a bit tricky to catch, i go for the moving shadow, and catch them often when the pond is nearly covered by the shadow.

this is the time right after dusk mainly, before it gets really dark and right after 3am

[tranquil ginkgo]

i need to do more fishing its my least fav

[wary finch]

it can make you good money on the side

I did not like fishing as well, but I created this character to favorize fishing and farming.

so I started fishing before I started farming

actually because I didn't like it, if I'd postponed it, I might never have started it.

[tranquil ginkgo]

I not long hit level 6 on fishing lol and today i did 2 cooking parties and went from level 10 to 20 cooking

my garden is slowly plodding away i dont quite have my head wrapped around it yet but getting there

going to unlock more crafting spots, only at 16

[wary finch]

yeah those are great, I just don't do it, because I would have to do the same thing over and over and over again

I guess I don't have 20 cooking yet, maybe 16 or so,mainly from grilled fish.

[tranquil ginkgo]

it took an hour i think for 40k gold, because im new i just had to do the cake spreading so it only cost my time

now i can buy crafting slots quicker

[wary finch]

yeah, I see, money is not one of my problems, it comes in quickly, if I would not spend any, I would be at the cap in 14 days.

[tranquil ginkgo]

😮

even in your new character?

I am still struggling as i constantly need to buy something upgrade lol or crafting slots

[wary finch]

thats what operating 24 jars at 17 ticks is like, but soon I will run 24 jars with jsut 14 ticks

yeah with this one, 19 days old now

[tranquil ginkgo]

what are ticks, each cycle?

there must be something im still missing or else im just at the building up stage still lol

[wary finch]

ingame hours per rl day, how often I can advance my garden every day

[tranquil ginkgo]

oh i see, so 17 cycles of our 24hr day

and youll move down to 14 cycles

[wary finch]

yeah, kinda insane, totally nuts, that is why the strip should bring it down to 14

[tranquil ginkgo]

i still need lots of cotton so not trying anything like that yet, though i like the 3x3 [plot above too

[wary finch]

I have something between 350 and 400 fabric now

but nearly no produce, currently is really a bit difficult, but the transition to the new garden is in progress, I decided to do it "hot" with the live garden, just farming something else in those empty tree spots until all trees are gone, all 2x2 are gone and then I shift it into a strip and start with the 1st apple tree, 2 hrs later the 2nd one, and so on, while I have still produce and run at full capacity.

it will work, but sometimes I am really down to a tomato.

so far I had 1 hour fail,where I could not run my full array of jars.

ok next is apples will do that now.

seems I made a mistake when planting those trees, I expected one to go down now, but it didn't, so I am stuck with this garden for at least 6 more hours.

[wary finch]

wait until you are level 25, then you don't have to care for quality if you plant only star seeds, makes things so much easier and you can run then anything you like.

[tranquil ginkgo]

yeah im in the transition stage and dont have much produce left

i only plant star seeds too

atm I have 11 preserves and 5 seeders running

[wary finch]

what are these 5 seeders doing?

I have currently 5 as well, but I am power creating apple seeds, have 15 currently.

well one is running bok choy, creating all the seeds I will need with the strip.

[tranquil ginkgo]

corn, cotton, carrots, apples, onion to top those back up, i wont need as many now ive moved to the 4 apple tree but less than 30 in stock

[wary finch]

I layer that, like corn in each jar and on top of it a carrot or something else what completes the hour

and with the next tick, that carrot is nearly done, and I can put something else on top

[tranquil ginkgo]

i must stack mine alot more even though i come back hourly to garden

[wary finch]

hm,is the 4th tree in production already?

[tranquil ginkgo]

yes, i just planted a new one and awaiting the others to finish their harvests too

[wary finch]

how many ticks do you get in in a day?

[tranquil ginkgo]

12-14 Id say, more if i jump back on after the kids are in bed

i try to get on each tick from 7am-7 or 8pm at the very least

[wary finch]

run 12 jars or 13 and it will ease out

16 is too many for the amount of ticks

[tranquil ginkgo]

okay ill switch some seeders around, I have 11 jars currently, 5 seeders

[wary finch]

hm it should be able to run those 11 jars

[tranquil ginkgo]

yeah im fine at the moment, not running out completely, just getting back into it again after leaving it for a week while away and the 4th apple tree transition going

i might be putting too much through the seeders too

[wary finch]

ah yeah, that could be it ofc as well

[tranquil ginkgo]

At first i was seeding my star produce, and jarring non star but now i have almost all starred and probably still doing similar, so i have an overstock of some seeds, not much of others, and not many produce going through the jars as its not starred

ill refine that a bit more now its all star seeds running

[wary finch]

I run non-starred as well through the jars if nothing else is available, better to have a little less income from a jar than to let it empty.

next farming is up

[tranquil ginkgo]

I have taken everything out of seeders and jars apart from whats currently processing and this is what I have

I can see I should have run the carrots through the jars lol

[devout thorn]

That is A LOT of seeds. Just how many seeders and jars do you use?

[tranquil ginkgo]

currently 11 jars and 5 seeders while i went away now ill cut back to 3 seeders and have 13 jars, I had an everything gardenn running so needed alot of the quicker growing seeds to keep up

[wary finch]

yeah much too many seeds, and I don't know why you have a problem running those jars, I could run my 24 easily with the amount of produce you have.

[tranquil ginkgo]

now i have 4 apple trees

I was trying to keep 30-50 in stock as per Lys

[wary finch]

I see 180 carrot seeds, are those 30-50? 🙂

[wary finch]

yeah, this

but you have lots of produce, there should be no problem at all to run all your jars, just do not stack stuff in those, layer it, 2 produce or at max 3 in a jar, and manage it on a daily basis.

when you have a break, then you can stack it

my operation is much more tight, I have currently 6 onions, 6 carrots and 5 tomato, that is all what can be preserved, but next are 48 corn incoming, so I am save for another 2hrs at least, meanwhile next apples will come in, 24 most likely, that is another layer and another hour.

[tranquil ginkgo]

the larger ones are from running stacks through the seeders while ive just been away for a week

ill remove 2 seeders now and switch them into jars

[devout thorn]

Damn

[tranquil ginkgo]

What?

[devout thorn]

The amount of jars and seeders

[tranquil ginkgo]

Lys runs close to 30 jars...

Main gold maker is from the jars

[wary finch]

24 only

last harvest flooded me with produce, that stuff I planted instead of those 2 trees, and another tree did not go down yet, I don't know what I did there, planted them at the wrong time.

have in total 30 jars though, just in case I need to get rid of a flood of produce

the strip could actually be run for a short while with 30 jars (but then I have to have enough seeds in stock ofc) at 18 ticks, so still doable, but there would be no room for the seeders required to maintain it.

so this is more theoretical, already with 24 jars at 14 ticks it takes a seeder full 6 rl days just seeding bok choy to get all the seeds I need in a week.

yeah, normally the main income is from jars - but currently I have so much rice, I might just sell it as it is, quick money, no hassle with it

[tranquil ginkgo]

Im impatient but ill stick with this till 25 lol

[wary finch]

I planted 4 rice, 4 corn and 1 wheat instead of the trees per spot, to get some income while I wait for the other trees to shut down and rice grows quickly, this is why.

[tranquil ginkgo]

yeah i will do that to top back up the ones i use for cooking

[wary finch]

peppers are shut down already, berry is next to shut down

I just realized that apple jam has 285 focus, is that new?

[tranquil ginkgo]

I havent looked at each of them before

[wary finch]

so time for cream tea and a little chat in the parlor, ttyl

@tranquil ginkgowhat type are you, jam first or cream first?

[tranquil ginkgo]

cream

[woeful hamlet]

WOAHHH

[bronze rock]

Hot dang I finally got one of each of the flowers!

[wary pier]

Why did it stop working?

[modest siren]

Try emptying the apple jams made & itll continue

[wary pier]

of course i did..just why does it not fill the 3rd slot. I noticed the seedmaker does the same 😦

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgo I'm jam first, not too much, that a very generous amount of clotted cream can go on top

[tranquil ginkgo]

I am a kiwi so maybe that makes the difference 😛

[wary finch]

everyone has different reasons for that. I was born and raised in Germany, where clotted cream is mostly unknown or at best "exotic". When I moved to London after my study years, this was the first time for me to even get to know clotted cream at all and I got hooked instantly. Might not be easy to understand why Germans are so unfamiliar with it, but in AUS there is something similar, which is as well hard to understand for me - people don't know Quark or treat it like a foreign specialty from Europe - hard to find in AUS, but available everywhere in Europe.

[wary finch]

it does not even fill the 2nd tray completely in a seed maker, if an extra seed is generated, so you can get stuck at 30/2/1 or 30/3/1 - it stops when all trays are in use (and be it just 1 unit in a tray).

[limpid plinth]

good layout? (tried fitting a little bit of everything) i wish we had more plots :(

[rancid cave]

So I need help!! I move one of my soil to my second plot, but when I try to garden it won't allow me to do anything. What am I doing wrong?

[untold talon]

woah

i am such a beginner...

[wary finch]

@tranquil ginkgoyour picture shows 397 renown, time to do something with it, either get more focus or more experience boost, renown just sitting there doesn't help your progress.

[alpine lagoon]

It would probably help if you sent a screenshot or something to give a little more information on your problem.

[jolly oracle]

that’s a lot of gardening

[wary finch]

congratulations

[floral talon]

finally got all crafting licenses woot

[stable ginkgo]

Nice! I finally bought my final license after playing for 10 months hahahaha

[floral talon]

and her e it hought 1month was awefull considering how fast lys does it

[floral talon]

mnakes guide on how to max ur garden gains still takes 10months to get all crafting licenses 😂

[hazy crane]

Hiiiii what are yalls best farming layouts for the maximum payout?

[stable ginkgo]

Yeah, I play games pretty slow and get distracted by balancing all the different skills a lot!

[alpine lagoon]

it depends on what kind of crops you have available

[fierce glen]

i used your layout to try and make my current one more profitable, thanks!

[alpine lagoon]

of course! im glad you found something that works for you.

[fierce glen]

fingers crossed i get rich! lol

[alpine lagoon]

i remade your layout, not sure why im not getting the same numbers as you, but why dont you use corn instead of wheat for quality boost and you can jar the corn, and if you replace one of those middle tomatos with a potato you wont need the water retain fertilizer.

[fierce glen]

Ou good thinking! I have 100+ wheat seeds rn and no corn so I thought I’d try to use those up while I have an abundance of them haha

[alpine lagoon]

yeah, that makes sense. Ive gotten to the point where i just buy all of my seeds aside from apple and blueberry.

[fierce glen]

can you buy gold star seeds?? i havent purchased seeds since the beginning of playing

[floral talon]

NO!

[fierce glen]

Ohh, so you use quality up fertilizer then if you buy them?

[floral talon]

molly are you trying to ask how do u get star quality seeds?

[fierce glen]

Nope

[floral talon]

anywyas u get star seeds from seed ocllector crops that are starred starred crops is a hcne based on ur seed input(starred or no star) gardening level buggs like quality up from other plants or fertiliser

[fierce glen]

Yes I know 🙂

[floral talon]

but yeay u cant buy star styuff directly

[alpine lagoon]

no but when youre above 38 farming everything you get is star, even if its regular seeds.

[fierce glen]

OHH!! I’m lvl 30 that’s so helpful to know ! I’m so close

[floral talon]

wit h star seeds u only get star crops from lv25 which is nice cuz hten ur produce stacks

[rancid comet]

Does anyone know what the best way to get harvest boost fertilizer is now?

[clear kindle]

apparently, it's high cost grilled fish

[dire kraken]

hello

where could i find layouts for gold here?

[flint warren]

i think the worm farm makes it and you can buy it also

[floral talon]

what do u wanna farm and whats ur lv

[mystic skiff]

Depends. On how often you log in to start the cycles. Bokchoy is bank right now. But it's a lot of maintenance and processing

[dire kraken]

just gold, ive been doing potatos but im not sure if its great, im lvl 25

[floral talon]

do u mind watering/weeding? and do you need any of the plants for self use?

[dire kraken]

I dont mind, and no need, ive been canning potatoes for focus food, so i guess focus food.

[mystic skiff]

If you want focus. You should cook or join cooking parties with the potatoes. Much better yield. As one potato can be turned to 3 dishes. Which is big focus stonks

[dire kraken]

well i want to produce gold, i have been using the potatoes for focus food but im not anchored to them.

[floral talon]

ok so u can replace some of the bokchoi for potatoes that u consume
and u try to convert as much as possible bokchoi into seeds that which overflows can be sold unprocessed that is the mostest money one can make

[dire kraken]

😮 thanks! is this like going 30 seed crafters?

[floral talon]

as much as u can even when the bokchoi isnt processed its still only 10% less profit per palian day then most other crops processed besides like potatoes but those also get clogged up in the seedmakers

again if u dont mind watering/weeding this is best unles u need some plants for urself

[mystic skiff]

This is maximum stonk

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PPRPPPRPP-WPWPPPPRP-RPPPPPPPW-WPRPPWPPR-PWPPPPPRP-RPRWPPRPP-RPPWPPPPW-PWPPPPRPR-PPRPPWWPP

I use it for my bokchoy just replace with the potatoes if you don't mind monocrop

[floral talon]

that layout could have slightly 1 more not harvest boost crop then the striahgt lines but i tend to screw up the planting if the layout is ot complicated but yes a welcome addition

[mystic skiff]

It took me a few weeks to get used to the layout too. 😂 I keep messing it up. 😭

But I'm doing the lazy vertical line nowadays since I'll be maxing out my cap soon anyways. So need to figure out a layout that can store a lot of gold

I'm thinking apple trees and seeding them. As they're low maintence and don't need lots of crarfters problem is Idk what layout.

[dire kraken]

thanks yall!

[floral talon]

apple seeds best garden item for bypassing money cap
also how u even make 1mill im flat broke nonstop 30crafters hit today though

[alpine lagoon]

im working on making my 4th Mil atm

[queen scarab]

Hey there, I’m new around here, with my farming being lvl 2. I want to use it to earn passive money, and I see you’re already talking about the best way to get a 9x9 farm. Is there already a finalized version? I still don’t have enough star seeds produced or producing to fill my field with stared seed.

I like to gain money and I like to gain all crops on stars (prioritiesing the ones which gimme money for now).
Could you provide/help me with a layout?

[floral talon]

mostest endgame layout is made yes

[floral talon]

i can give beginner layout no p problem

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NWNNCrNNWN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NCrNNWNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb-CoRCbTWTCbRCo-NNNNNNNNN-CoRTCbWCoTRCb
this is actually a collection of example layouts for what beginners need

[mystic skiff]

I have a bokchoy addiction. 😭 Also I play alot and just love joking cooking parties for the social aspect. I have to start hoarding the cakes in an empty plot for the meanwhile.

[floral talon]

oh ic u do cakepartys to

[queen scarab]

9x9 Beginner to earn money?

[floral talon]

no its per soil axamples

[queen scarab]

There are empty spots?

[floral talon]

they b e examples of what u can do per soil
its inspiration showing of some of hte setups u can do and how to chain same boosting plants and how to weave in cotton which is usefull for beginners

[queen scarab]

Ahh, ty

☺️🥹

[floral talon]

iuf you got any mroe questions about it feel free to ask

[queen scarab]

I’ll check tomorrow

[subtle pier]

i want to plant tomato, blueberry, apple, whats best layout to get amount and quality

i dont mind weeding and watering

[nova talon]

Is the garden planner designed to be a big square for maximum results? I like having mine in one long strip for easy watering.

[floral talon]

custom layout in new layout (most poeple only square and often sqaure is best anyways)

[nova talon]

I'm not sure what u mean

[floral talon]

u can make strip layuouts 3x27 int here to

[nova talon]

Oh

[clear kindle]

when you look at the screen on the planner, there is a button that says new layout. you can click on that and change your layout to what you want

[nova talon]

Thanks!

[subtle pier]

how does people get like 120k on 30 days

i use the same layout but i only get like 60k

[floral talon]

which layout? and getting in WAY!!! more growth ticks helps to i g uess

[subtle pier]

I saw one on reddit

[subtle pier]

do you have one for apple?

[alpine lagoon]

depends on how much you can process into jam at one time

[floral talon]

i can ghrab one in a bit a little busy rn