#šŸŒ±ā”‚gardening

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ebon kernel
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does garden stop growing when ur not online or some ting?

tardy vortex
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yes

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when you log in next day, it will be like you wait to next ingame day

upper mist
upper mist
wet hound
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Whats the best farm layout for goldfarming atm? chapaalove

upper mist
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if you change the bok choy/carrot/onion for tomato/potato/nappa cabbage it s water retaining instead of weedblocked

tardy vortex
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wow, very useful thing

tardy vortex
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at least if that site have right numbers, cos "WIP" and 50/50 starred crop with 25% is not very reassuring

floral talon
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u need to click crop part on what ot process as then its much more profit/palia day

upper mist
tardy vortex
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yep, also just what I need for my 10 Preserve Jars. Thx ^_^

upper mist
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also, if you get overrun by tomatoes, they are very very quick in the seedmakers for the same profit basically.

tardy vortex
upper mist
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nor does it limit itself by the max amount of crafters you can have

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so the monetairy gains on the site are somewhat off (unrealistic)

floral talon
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or effort to fertalise everything otgherwise it be bokchoi and potatoes all the way

upper mist
floral talon
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yeay exactly

upper mist
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so you'd have to sell a lot of crops raw, so you'll never make the gains the site promises

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you need like 3 real life days of being offline basically and not harvesting a single crop if you want to get to those gains

tardy vortex
upper mist
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I actually did all the math haha

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the first part is taking growth time into account to set up the garden, after that the "new" columns calculate from then on

tardy vortex
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I have the same, but just basics. Only profit from single crop, etc. ^_^

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like do the math in calc in every game that has farm or something that bring money

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*love ^_^

upper mist
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because we're limited by 24 hours in a day, just calculating from a single crop won't cut it though

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that number is only sufficient if you have a wild amount of offline hours

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theres a little greyed out part on the perserves line in my sheet where you can see how many crafters youd need to get to those gains; which is unrealistic if you play every day

floral talon
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i finally obtained my very first apple seed

tardy vortex
# upper mist theres a little greyed out part on the perserves line in my sheet where you can ...

fundamental work. Proud of you and shame on me.
I'm not that precise, at least I try to find middle line in playing and having fun with tables, plus some complex calculations better move to standalone app with some gui. Calc tables not very compact, usable, etc with alot of info. I did it just once, if I remember it right it was "Dust to the End" or some thing similar with not so many digits, just goods and prices.

upper mist
tardy vortex
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Well, if it bring fun - why not? Creating tables like this is like solving puzzles.

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but some ppl may say - "You play it wrong". ^_^ What they know, ha?

upper mist
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I do love a good puzzle chapaafire

stable ginkgo
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the palia gardening profits have for sure been the hardest and most rewarding puzzles I've done in a while. There's so much depth to think about.

tardy vortex
stable ginkgo
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Crops gained is static and only changes from harvest boost which gives 50% more crops. Started percentage is still up in the air until around 25-30 when you only get started crops. After that thereā€™s no need to worry about a percentage

cold arch
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what are you guys putting on your worm farms? i was putting apple jams but i feel like it's not giving me that much money anymore

tardy vortex
stable ginkgo
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Minimum is 2 and Harvest boosted is 3 from single tile crops

tardy vortex
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I plant only carrots without boost. As I said - not sure, but I think that some of them give me 3 carrots

stable ginkgo
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Iā€™ve never seen it happen to me but if you get footage of it, thatā€™d be interesting

vital wagon
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So with Gyro grow Booster removed from worm farm, what should i farm? I did apple and blueberry jsut for them and now i dont know what to plant

tardy vortex
upper mist
upper mist
wary finch
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@upper mistI like your new title, very palian.

upper mist
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Im still in mourning over the growthboost getting deleted instead of fixed chapaasad

stable ginkgo
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Agreed, hoping itā€™s just temporary

upper mist
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wouldn't count on it to be fair

stable ginkgo
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Well, the fert is still in the game, otherwise they probably wouldā€™ve removed that too

upper mist
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they wanted to take away the high gains of gardening to bring it more in line with other skills

wary finch
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yeah, would have been great to test, if I could really deal with the influx of produce, because there is a limit to what jars can process and what output they can create (2700g per crafter and rl day, regardless what starred produce is put in). This can be used to plan passive income as well, because this is a fixed value after these jars are balanced.

upper mist
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you can't even fertilizer 1 appletree with 1 batch of 50 fert

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it's not really feasible anymore

stable ginkgo
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But if they were going to give up on it, wouldnā€™t they remove that from the game too? Why keep it

upper mist
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yeah, not sure on that one..

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maybe for end-end-endgame when you got everything else 10 times?

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to make sure there's still something to spend medals on, even if it won't even work when you do buy it lol

stable ginkgo
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Maybe, or maybe Iā€™m just optimistic since I never got to experience it

wary finch
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would have been better though, if they would have made one harvest and the other water retain boosting, instead both harvest boosting.

upper mist
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Ive been asking since week 2 of beta to fix the growthboost, 10 months later they take it away from the game lol

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I mean, I think they gave up on it šŸ˜›

wary finch
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yeah, I guess that might be the sad truth.

upper mist
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just a matter of time before they delete it from the guildstore imho šŸ˜›

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Imo it would have too been more fun if they made either the glowwormfarm or the regular wormfarm give water/weedblock fertilizer

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Im not particularly a fan of the last update on gardening lol

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they are taking away our puzzles chapaafire

wary finch
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yeah, quality upgrade fertilizer is not useful for established players and for newbies is the recipe to craft it from bugs, meat and sundrop lilies the better way.

upper mist
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even the useless amounts of harvestboost fertilizer, while there's now 5 crops that give that same boost x)

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imo wormfarms are degraded to just moneyprinters now, they lack proper functionality now

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and ofc for worms for fishing, but overall, glowworm farms are not even really worth it anymore

stable ginkgo
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Maybe all the good gardening staff got let go RIP

upper mist
wary finch
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glow worm farm is no longer a money printer, the output is about equally valid to the input, like 3660g grilled fish creating worms and fertilizer worth 3665g.

upper mist
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I told myself I was going to update the guides but after that I don't know how much joy gardening is really still going to bring me

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it was such a perfect little minigame I could get lost puzzling in for days

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but shaving off any pieces of the puzzle instead of giving something back too, is just breaking my heart

wary finch
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I try a different concept now, focusing on the perfect all crops garden and see if I can get that balanced.

floral talon
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gardening u cant have every buff and stuff u gotto compromise no matter what that what makes it so puzzly

upper mist
shy ingot
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how do you dig up a plant?

upper mist
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gardenhoe

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ooo that didn't get eaten by automod, nice

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ive been calling it a tillstick lol xD

wary finch
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my decision to go for an all crops garden now came from the realization, that if I want to pickle everything, it doesn't matter, what I pickle, because jars have a fixed value throughput per day and a fixed value outcome per day as well - so I'm not better off with apples than with any other crop, given that I pickle everything.

floral talon
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apples are just easier

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les planting less often harvesting

wary finch
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yeah but I have done this now 4 times, I am tired of running another apple garden.

stable ginkgo
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Iā€™ve actually been running only apples for the past month and it has been tough with the requirement of having to check in every two hours for 30 hours.

floral talon
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wait but with apples u only gotto check in every 6 hours right

wary finch
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every 2

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if you want to advance your garden with full tick amount or near it.

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I did not even plan it being that smooth, it just happened to be that way.

floral talon
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nice mall setup

upper mist
wary finch
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it started with a column of rice, wheat, corn - a column of cotton and a column of carrot, onion and carrot per plot.

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this is right after I got my first apple seed with my 5th character, so my options to plan out my garden are limited still.

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and because it is a new character cotton is much more important, I need it for every jar I craft and other stuff.

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later in the game I won't have space and patience to run a loom anymore, then I will just have to buy fabric from Tish.

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so far I'm running it with 7 jars and 3 seeders, 1 worm farm, which seems to work for now.

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I like your setup,@upper mist

upper mist
wary finch
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like I said, if I plan to pickle all, it doesn't matter how many apple trees I have, 1 is possibly enough.

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until level 25 this is good enough, afterwards I will most likely adjust it.

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most of my income is currently from fishing anyway

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made the 100k earned achievement in less than 5 days, thanks to fishing.

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next goal is 1 million earned within this month. This should be easy to do, the next goal is then 10 millions in 7 months, that will be harder.

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nah,its easy, it won't take that long.

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5 months is realistic.

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that's 60k per rl day, no biggy

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that's 23 jars running 24/7

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not even a challenge, I should plan for less time

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requires most likely more apple trees resp. much less crop variety, to keep the amount of seeders low.

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4 months - 28 jars, there is possibly the limit, so somewhere in october I should have made 10 millions.

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nah it's november, I haven't done the first million yet.

tropic breach
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Am I insane for not really seeing the benefit of these complicated gardening layouts šŸ˜­ I tried using one for a few days and having to re-plant the different plants on different days, having to frequently use seed harvesters for the plants Iā€™m harvesting, etc. seems so much more tedious and labor intensive than just doing something like all tomatoes or tomatoes and blueberries/apple trees.

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Am I just not doing it right? lol

wary finch
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you do what suits you, there is no wrong or right here.

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for us this is kind of a puzzle mini game, not just a passive income source.

tropic breach
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I just wasnā€™t sure if I was doing it wrong - earlier in the game I used to get the most income from just farming blueberries and tomatoes, and then I switched to mining and selling gems, but now that thatā€™s been nerfed a bit Iā€™m not sure where to turn and figuring out the gardening layouts has me wondering if the labor is worth the profit increase from the various plants

wary finch
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nah it's not, if you pickle everything, the amount you can get from a jar is fixed, 2700g per rl day, regardless what kind of starred produce you put in.

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so if you do all tomatoes,or all carrots - why not, if it suits you more.

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but, those pickle really fast, you need much more spots to keep your jars fed with produce with these kind of crops.

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I mean not an interim garden, but the garden endgame version with 30 crafters, nearly all of them dedicated to run farming stuff.

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my endgame setup will most likely be 1 glow worm farm, 3 seeders and 26 jars - income from jars 70200g per rl day, plus the seeded stuff plus other income.

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my garden needs to create produce, able to be pickled, worth 46.8k to keep all jars running 24/7 - that is the puzzle part of it, to achieve these values.

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every hour those jars run empty costs nearly 3000 in missing income.

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looks then something like this - this is 25 jars, 3 seeders and 2 worm farms

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ah no, that is the version with 25 jars, 2 seeders and 3 worm farms.

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but I don't need more than one glow worm farm now.

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that garden there has 5 apple trees and 4 berry bushes

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marvelous garden, about 90k income per day.

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with the old glow worm farms that is, now they are no longer profitable.

tropic breach
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Oh wow! Thank you for all the info - I only have three jars right now but I think Iā€™ll start investing in more - Iā€™ve never really pickled my produce before selling but I will start doing that!

wary finch
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its a 50% value increase

tropic breach
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Omg, hahah wow Iā€™ve been losing out on so much gold šŸ™ˆ

wary finch
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not just that, these jars keep running even when you logout

craggy wing
wary finch
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yes

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running it with quality grilled fish

weary cape
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So, totally not complaining but is anyone else only getting starred foods when grown? I'm not growing peppers or cotton, and even regular seeds are doing it, no fertilizer either

wary finch
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level 25+ all star seed produce only star results, level 50+ every seed will produce a starred outcome.

weary cape
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oh

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Does this apply to foraging too? I stopped trying to grow starred foods because I was having no luck getting starred foragables for cooking

wary finch
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I have no idea, but it could be possible

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based on how the general design of this game works

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like my 5th character is new, she has never seen a starred bug yet, whereas my other characters get them on a regular basis

weary cape
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I hope so, I've been struggling to make the starred meals for that one quest, managed to make the starred finger cakes with starred ingredients but can't find enough for the others

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I feel like it depends on switch vs PC too, I get way more rare bugs on PC

wary finch
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harder to target on switch maybe?

weary cape
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No like they don't show up on the map most of the time (bahari silk bugs especially)

wary finch
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ah rendering issues you mean, quite possible, they have problems to render players as well,when many are in the same spot - s6 mentioned to render a scheme instead of that player meanwhile.

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said for the switch, so it could take longer to render details on switch

craggy wing
weary cape
craggy wing
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I wonder if mining adjusts stats for chance at rares, I'd assume as much

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Either way, I think skills should always improve rare drops.

Like fishing should get you close to more rares more often and more makeshift or at minimum starred coming out without needing a bubble spawn

weary cape
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I hope there's some good use for foraging skills, I might just go ham for a few cycles and forage everything in sight to try and bump it faster and see if that helps, gardening is so easy and passive so that's my highest so far

wary finch
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that is certainly skill based with fishing, my new character is fishing a lot and has never pulled out a starred fish yet.

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but the amount of quality fish is most likely not based on skill, but on the time where you fish and how near to a fishing node you are.

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like there are small time windows where I can catch 2-3 giant goldfish in a row -still figuring out how those small windows shift.

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and that is the same for my new character and the established ones, that is not skill based.

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holy cow, I try since 15 hours to login and play,but all I do is communicate with people.

trail marten
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anyplace good for a selection of farm layouts?

mint sandal
# wary finch harder to target on switch maybe?

But it is actually harder to aim on switch. I tried ajusting the speed/sensitivity but for the best aim I get instant motion sickness so had to settle with slightly faster/sensitive than default but slightly less than ideal kitsuusweat

mint sandal
# trail marten anyplace good for a selection of farm layouts?

You can try making your own with the garden planner, otherwise here's the one I'm currently using (1st pic) and the one I will switch to once the current one us all harvested. Both of mine are 100% water retention so you need to water only when planting/replanting, and they're also 100% harvest boost with just a bit of fertilizer involved

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trail marten
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Ooooh those actually look great

mint sandal
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Thanks! 1st one I had modified from ine I had found online that didn't include the newer crops (I linked the original 1st time I shiwed it here). The 2nd one I came uo with this morning after playing around with the planner for a while

trail marten
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I honestly just always copy what other people do. I don't want to have to go fought into this I just want the money rolling in

mint sandal
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Understandable

wary finch
mint sandal
wary finch
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I don't know if that is correct, I just repeat what I read in a review.

spice thunder
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Need someone to explain me how exactly the harvest boost fertilier works, until like a few days ago, it would show me a number, based on how many times I've put the H-boost fert on that particular soil, idk why but it isnt doing that anymore, just says harvest boost, quality boost......It started when I switched to new set of crops....I'm growing this currently, I'm not sure if its cause corn and wheat boost harvest as well....

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floral talon
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so like corn wheat corn corn wheat corn

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or like corn wheat corn wheat corn wheat

stable ginkgo
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it doesnt show the number anymore because the corn/wheat are giving the cotton harvest boost and it doesnt run out while the plants are there so it doesnt show the number

twin sierra
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Just arrived in discord, hi all! šŸ‘‹šŸ». Does anyone know if the green speedygrow fertilizer has been yanked from the glow worm farms like the harvestboost fertilizer was? All I am getting it the quite useless (to me, anyways) quality up fertilizer last little while. I use star apples in it and just let it run all day long - maybe food type makes a difference?

floral talon
wary finch
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@spice thunderyou don't see a number, because your garden is fully harvest boosted by companion planting already, you don't need any harvest boost fertilizer there.

twin sierra
spice thunder
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stable ginkgo
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number is how many of it is left, so for a 1x1 tile it is basically the number of days until it runs out

mint sandal
wary finch
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ok, thank you for the update.

spice thunder
wary finch
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it is not using the fertilizer if you have the boost already from companion planting.

stable ginkgo
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yep, but i heard there's a bug with putting 99 on all 81 slots so be careful of that

wary finch
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@upper mistthe strange thing with my garden is, that the transition from 2 peppers, 2 berries, 1 apple tree to 2 peppers, 3 berries, 2 apple trees is with this garden easy as well, without that I planned to do that actually - it is just making space for another berry bush and apple tree and change 2 adjacent plants above the newly added tree https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCBBOBBC-OCoBCCoBAAA-BCoCBAACrAA-OCoCATOACoC.H-NNNNNNNNN-WSpSpCoSpSpCr.HCoC-AAAAAACbPT-RAAWTOCrPC-ACbBk.HWCoSpCrCoSp-CWCrSpBBSpBB

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I'm thinking now, if it is worth it, to show the transition from the first garden to this one, because I have this different plot layout compared to a square -but maybe new players might find this helpful.

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It is still an all crops garden with lots of cotton, which is important for new players

spice thunder
floral talon
spice thunder
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it doesn't make morey as profit, it makes money via seeds, but I can't really use cottons to pickle it up, nor can I put it into the glow worm farm

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also messes up when you have receipies

summer pebble
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Did they change the green speedy fertilizer? I used to use apple jam in my glow worm farm and now itā€™s giving me a different fert.

gray ridge
chilly flicker
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Is it better to use starred fruits and veggies for pickling/jams?

clear kindle
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star quality, you'll get star quality preserves back

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which in turn, sell for more

ancient owl
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I've had this phantom fertalizer for almost two weeks now, whatever I do, it won't go away xD, and it doesn't affect anything, it just stays that way lol

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wary finch
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I have one of those as well, it simply sticks

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it does not even go away, when you have to retile that spot.

upper mist
summer pebble
void eagle
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Not bad for a day's work. And for mostly selling s.... - manure!

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sly canyon
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How many gardens plots are you allowed?

neat vortex
analog osprey
fresh dew
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is there a point in watering mature trees? Can they give you seeds?

pallid latch
fresh dew
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thank you šŸ™‚

tardy vortex
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Greetings @upper mist

Dose that table only for starred output? I think you can upgrade it for a new players and those who do not get 100% starred harvest. I just realize that starred prices =RoundDown( normal * 1.5 ) and fertilizer/worm amount looks like =RoundUp(normal * 1.25). It means that you can add filter like in my table. Plus It will be easier to you to make modifications if devs change not only price but multiplier

PS: Little more complexity to the puzzle from JC ^_^

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upper mist
# tardy vortex Greetings <@140569896521170944> Dose that table only for starred output? I thin...

Heya JediConsul! You make an excellent point šŸ˜„ I will probably put it on a second sheet though to keep things seperate, also one without harvestboost and starquality would probably make sense for very early gardeners.. Ive just not gotten to it yet because ive been so busy with the worms sheet and im not home today, but I'll definitely make one chapaafire šŸ˜„ Sounds like you know your way around excel chapaahappy

tardy vortex
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As I said - I Love creating tables with that type of game content. Usually not much: simple math and ROUND() functions. Once I Used VLOOKUP(), but not sure how heavy that one if I will use it 5+ in one cell and copy to 30+ cells. Guess it will be slow, but still Fun ^_^

floral talon
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i finally got my very first batch of blueberrys woot

tardy vortex
wary finch
neat vortex
wary finch
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Ren all you need are 3 formula, which are based on the price of the foodstuff you put in - for normal worms and harvestboost fertilizer in both worm farms it is "2+value/10", the glow worm amount is "value/50", and the amount of quality upgrade fertilizer created is "6+value/4". Results rounded down at midpoint. In case of glow worms minimum 1.

tardy vortex
neat vortex
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wary finch
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I'm preaching the grilled quality fish thing for days, Ren, but people are people, they can do as they please.

neat vortex
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I don't mean as a practical thing, I mean for testing the formula

wary finch
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these formula are correct, they are not differnt to those used before, just used in a different way

neat vortex
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Yep, I'm just trying to figure out if JC is finding the total output value with the 1.25/1.3x or for individual worm/fert values

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It seems to be a different way of thinking about it, so I'm interested

wary finch
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what for? all you need are these 3 simple expressions to tell the correct outcomes of anything you put into a wormfarm

neat vortex
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Yeah, those are the ones on the wiki and the ones Arenvanya's sheet uses, it's just that "minimum 1" is a pain in the neck to put in a formula. lol

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Breakpoints from rounding can make for dramatic shifts as well

wary finch
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yes, but you wanted to make tables, you don't really need any, if you have the formula.

tardy vortex
wary finch
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yeah, rounded down on midpoint, I said this as well

neat vortex
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but only on midpoint, I found

tardy vortex
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I'm not native english. Midpoint means that "down" if <=0.5 ?

wary finch
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yes

neat vortex
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and I couldn't find a single spreadsheet function that would do that simply, especially with the minimums... if someone else has one, please share

wary finch
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are there no if-clause expressions ren

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if 0 then 1 else expression

neat vortex
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SINGLE like rounddown

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Of course you can calculate it; Arenvanya's spreadsheet does it

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(the fertilizer one)

tardy vortex
# wary finch yes

am I do it right? formula for a "Sweet Leaf"
Table is hand-writed as I feed worms. 11.75 need be "down" to 11 or I miss something?

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neat vortex
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What is the unit on the 11.75?

wary finch
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no, 11.75 is above the midpoint and will be roundedup

tardy vortex
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but i got 11 from farm. That is why I ask :)

wary finch
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what is the price of what you put in

neat vortex
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11 whats?

tardy vortex
neat vortex
tardy vortex
wary finch
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ok, 23/4 is 5.75+6 = 11.75, you should get an output of 12, you said 11?

tardy vortex
tardy vortex
neat vortex
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11 of what? šŸ˜­

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QualityUp?

wary finch
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yes

tardy vortex
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of course i could mistake at the time. Will check one more time

tardy vortex
neat vortex
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Thanks, the Glow Worm column name had me "???" XD

wary finch
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the thing is these formula haven't changed,they are just used in a different way now. So they shouldbe still correct.

tardy vortex
neat vortex
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(ooh we've summoned another spreadsheeter šŸ‘€ )

wary finch
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me? no,not at all - reminds me of industrialist in eve, passionated spreadsheeters - proud to show me their results - and then my argument to it "nice, but worthless, where in your calculation is the risk of getting ganged and robbed, where is the risk of loosing your ships"

neat vortex
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Big relief to find that to be the case

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...at least, unless JC is on to something here and the rounding formulae changed

wary finch
neat vortex
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I've got sweet leaf going already, might as well check

wary finch
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but that are cookie-cutter differences

neat vortex
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Also, the answer to "why do you need a table?" is for the same reason that charts and graphs are useful even though you can "just look at the numbers"

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being able to see the calculated results laid out together and sort/filter on them is handy

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even when you could just calculate them individually as needed

wary finch
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it's the engineer in me, who goes for the formula and if it isn't totally conform with a test, it will be fudged, the test not the formula lol

tardy vortex
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I creating them just for fun, 'cos usually didn't play for too long to make them really useful for me
just part of my gameplay :)

neat vortex
wary finch
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but it is absolutely possible that when s6 changed it, they didn't want the hassle of midpoint or not in this case and just rounded it down

neat vortex
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Yeah, so your "for fun" may have yielded some good insight, JC! Time for testing.

wary finch
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the difference is 2g though, not worth to even think about actually

neat vortex
tardy vortex
wary finch
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or is it 5g now

tardy vortex
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2

neat vortex
wary finch
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but that is then a management flaw, one should never be that short in supplies

neat vortex
wary finch
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player testing I guess put into a formula which works - because it is unlikely, that s6 is using a lookup table instead of a simple expression

tardy vortex
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*announced not here but in all MMO

neat vortex
stable ginkgo
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lol, I didn't mean to type, I don't mess with worm farm calculations so I'm just enjoying the show HEHEHE

wary finch
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yeah, cookie cutter mentality in my books, I wouldnt mind, better than having no formula at all

tardy vortex
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guess I misread your messaage, but still..

wary finch
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@tardy vortexthis is why I made that eve example - numbers in a table are nice, but life is unpreditable to the most part, you can plan for the best, but no plan will ever work to the books.

neat vortex
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This is true

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I'm just saying that the significance grows larger with time and multipliers

wary finch
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yes but there is time to fudge it šŸ™‚

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oh my worms are hungry, time for palia

tardy vortex
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@neat vortex you few times mentioned "tbh" is it "to be honest" ?

neat vortex
tardy vortex
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thx, one more short to my vocabulary

neat vortex
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I enjoy finding new ones, too XD

dusky seal
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is the glow worm farm bugged? O-o
cuz im getting the QualityUp Fertilizer when i should be getting the SpeedyGo Fertilizer (according to the wiki)

pallid latch
dusky seal
tardy vortex
# dusky seal oh god dammit D: someone should update the wiki then-

True, but it is very hard to maintain wiki in up to date state.
Old contributors go or just drop it to actually play the game. Others...well it is not very relaxing job to do especially not filling but updating it while game still in dev and change some/huge amount of numbers in every update

west dawn
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I'll agree that keeping up a wiki of any kind is not very chill/comfy lol

pallid latch
dusky seal
dusky seal
neat vortex
tardy vortex
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Ideal scenario is - devs maintain the wiki, but that will steal fun from those who like to contribute to wiki.
I rarely use wikis - it is not fun, especially before I used to mechanics and content

neat vortex
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This update was a particularly massive set of changes, and the patch hasn't even been out a week yet, lol

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(every fish, most bugs, most forageables and all of the hunting drops [so almost all cooked dishes], all starstones, about half of the worktable recipes [and thus the shop prices of all of those furnishings] - all have different sell values now)

dusky seal
dusky seal
neat vortex
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I'm sorry you had an unexpected result, that's frustrating I'm sure

wary finch
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this happened even to fertilizer left over in the glow worm fertilizer tray from before the patch, it turned into quality upgrade

tardy vortex
dusky seal
dusky seal
past geode
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which key shows the fertilizers applied to each spot? My muscle memory isn't working.

wary finch
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that is a good argument, but that you aren't courageous enough, nah, you had the courage to public disclosure, you can do it.

tardy vortex
tardy vortex
past geode
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OMG THANK YOU

wary finch
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most of my keys are remapped, so I cannot help with this

tardy vortex
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Is there way to disable hints? I always have them.

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past geode
past geode
dusky seal
wary finch
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you said you would want to be part of the wiki team - this is the first step to actually doing it, a public disclosure of your intention

tardy vortex
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ha, ppl used to everything and stop see a things at their noses. So familiar.

wary finch
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@dusky sealand batman can do everything, don't forget that šŸ™‚

dusky seal
wary finch
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yeah, I agree with that argument, but I think that you are a courageous person

tardy vortex
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even has own TV-Series

wary finch
tardy vortex
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oh, i see now ^_^

dusky seal
wary finch
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absolutely, I like your approach to it - enjoy and progress.

wary finch
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still very much cotton focused, I will need a lot of fabric for all the jars - will be 26 jars in the end and I have just 8 yet

willow ridge
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why does it say over max plot count

wary finch
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because I have a weird shape, one plot is totally empty just 9 are used

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it is matter of the planner not an overuse

willow ridge
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ah ok, I was looking for something involving apple trees, I don't quite understand the gardening in this game lol

wary finch
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I just use the 10 plot layout of the planner, in case I need to shift the 9th plot a bit, like I did in the past.

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the interesting part with this garden is, it has a very smooth transition from a cotton based newbie garden into what it is now, every transition was easy to do without to interrupt the operation of the garden - I did not plan on it to be like this though, it just happened to turn out like this.

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what is your gardening level Diana?

willow ridge
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I just recently got to level 10

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which is what sparked my interest into making efficient crop plots

wary finch
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and you want an everything garden or more profit oriented

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well, wait I show you my 1 apple tree garden, and then the 2 apple tree one and you have seen the 3 aple tree one - then you can eventually make use of these smooth transitions

willow ridge
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profit oriented, I'm lacking funds rly bad

wary finch
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it is not a bad garden diana, it is just not the most high yield garden,becauser it is focussing on stuff a new player needs and it is building a good basis for cooking

willow ridge
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oki, I'll set this one up

wary finch
willow ridge
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mmk

wary finch
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this is each time a smooth transition towards more apples, but maintaining all crops and cotton focus

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you see it takes a long time to grow those trees and seed the apples for new trees, this allows you to do it very smoothly while having a profitably running all crops garden

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how much money you make with it depends on your hours played and the amount of jars you can run 24/7 - because every jar can just create 2700g per rl day, non-stop running, so the more of them you can keep busy, the more income you will have

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the 2 apple tree garden can support 8 jars in my case for example so my daily income from those jars is 21600g, plus all the starred cotton seeded (which is a lot but I haven't calculated how much money it makes), but more than enough to live comfortably - plus I fish a lot, which generates a few tens of thousands every day as well

willow ridge
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ah ok, im still making jars, i only have 3

wary finch
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this garden has a lot of produce which needs to be pickled in jars

willow ridge
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yea, i plan on making more

wary finch
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but it requires this infrastructure

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25 jars 3 seeders, 2 worm farms

willow ridge
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oh interesting

wary finch
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income 90k per day, about that

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this is not for a new or medium player,that is what I wanted to say with it, you can do that later, not now

floral talon
narrow steeple
lunar vessel
wary finch
tranquil ginkgo
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Im at the awkward stage with just 2 seed makers, 1 fert, 2 preservers and totally broke constantly saving for the recipes etc

wary finch
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welcome to the club, @tranquil ginkgo

tranquil ginkgo
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Ive saved your msgs above Lys for future use ty

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Would you use the cotton method for now?

wary finch
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this is what my 5th newbie character is doing, so it is made for what newbie needs and still be profitable

tranquil ginkgo
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Im only 40hrs into the game almost level 9 gardening

wary finch
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any jar requires fabric, and as I will build 26 jars over tmie, I need a lot of cotton to make fabric

tranquil ginkgo
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And if youre keeping that part for fabric do you turn preserve the rest for profit?

wary finch
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ofc 8 jars in permanent operation cvurrently plus 3 seeders always active

tranquil ginkgo
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Ill keep saving the gold i make for another crafter put down slot toll I have 8 too then

wary finch
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keep in mind, that crafting licenses get expensive quickly, you will soon be in the 10k + range andthe last 30th crafter license is 32k

floral talon
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its why i got no money also recipes grrr

tranquil ginkgo
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Lol yeah every day im trying to scramble to make like 5-8k just for the next thing ive unlocked. Havent got to Berries or Apples yet

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Ive tried cooking for profit too

wary finch
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the only thing worth cooking for profit is grilled fish, caught with the best worms you have

tranquil ginkgo
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Lucky i havent been spending on cooking recipes then

wary finch
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a few are ok to have, those easy to make with decent focus gain

tranquil ginkgo
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What would you plant to get to 10 the fastest for gardening so i can unlock the berries and apples? I have bits of everything and am close to 9

wary finch
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I have just a few, at start it was hearty veggie soup, then Ramen, then this fried rice, forgot the name, and soon I will add pan-fried dumplings

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with a simple garden, a column wheat rice corn, a column of cotton, a column of carrots onions and corn on every plot, that is how I started

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if you use my layout you can then add first the berries and peppers on the right side, later the berries and peppers on the left side, at level 10 the apple tree, this is all easy to do and smooth

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then a few cotton will be exchangdwith tomato and so,to slowly transitoinn it to an everyxthing garden

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then another berry bush and applet tree, and finally then a 3rd apple tree

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this will be run until level 25 - then it will be converted into a high yield farm, at this time at leaat 24 jars should be in place

tranquil ginkgo
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This is so informative thankyou for taking the time. I have been focusing on tomatos and potatoes mostly for preserving

wary finch
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because once the high yield garden starts it is an endless ffood of procude

floral talon
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11/10 lys is a legend

wary finch
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a mix of cooked food and preserve - why do you think I have so many carrots

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and all the corn

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pickled star corn 180 focus pickled star carrot 105 and when I need more pan-fried dumplings 375 or Ramen or something like this

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especially when fishing I burn through a lot then I use pan-fried dumplings

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but I have just 50% focus bonus yet, when it will be 75% I will need better food

tranquil ginkgo
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I think mines around 62 at the moment

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Weve been making shepps pie for profit and saving a few for eating

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but now ive unlocked jars just last night

wary finch
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to me fishing is what makes me a lot of money so I can progress rather quickly on topof the farm income

tranquil ginkgo
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Once all the veggies have cycled and i have an empty plot ill put together the one above

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I havent fished much its probably my least fav so far but i need to level it up lol

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Its on 4 haha

wary finch
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I did not like it as well, but quality grilled fish create a hell of a lot of worms for fishing in a worm farm so I can fish as much as I want and go for the real expensive fish

tranquil ginkgo
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Ohh so put grilled fish into the worm farm?! Have not seen that before

wary finch
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simple method, and easy to do evenif you just run normal worms - fish in your pond with normal worms, you will get mirror carps, those are what you will feed as selected grilled fish to your worms, sometimes you will catch fairy carp those are the top tierwith normal worms, 2 of them combine as grilled fish and with luck starred is worth 1080g, that create 110 worms in a normal worm farm

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normal mirror carps combined to grilled fish is 390g, creates 41 normal worms

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just refilled my worm farm, 2 rounds of fishermens brew, result 8 mirror carps, so I have feed for 4 hrs, plus I had other fish for about 1800g as well

tranquil ginkgo
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Wow!

wary finch
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these grilled fish made me level 13 fishing in just 8 days.

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and as well in cooking something like this

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I would glow worm fish, but I miss the freaking 12 flow planks to craft one

floral talon
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do keep in mind that lys REALLY loves fishing and u may not fish n early as much

wary finch
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no,I dont liek fishing but raking in the money from fishing

tranquil ginkgo
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8 palia cycles or human lol

wary finch
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and as long as I dont run a 90k/day farm, Ineed a little extra cash on the side

tranquil ginkgo
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I think im about 6 human days in with 40ish hours played

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I need to make more seeds before doing the above šŸ¤£šŸ¤£

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I have my first blueberry plant so ill turn that into seeds as i havent unlocked those yet

wary finch
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yeah seeding is the management part of running the show, because you need quite a lot of those

tranquil ginkgo
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I may have sold all my star seeds some days back thinking that was the way to go lol

wary finch
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ok let me see how to help you get star quality stuff which is as well the start to the new farm then

tranquil ginkgo
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If I stick to the plain rows then boost the quality and turn into seeds itll take me a few extra days but i can seed make the rest of the starred seeds

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Thankyou ā¤ļøā¤ļø

wary finch
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this garden does all on its own just set it up and farm

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you need to pay attention to the left and right side, there can be weeds

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the starred cotton is for seeding and sale, the non star cotton for the loom to make fabric

tranquil ginkgo
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amazing!

wary finch
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and whilst you build up a stock of fabric, you have at the same time income from cotton and from your jars as ewll, and create astock of star seeds

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every jar can just create 2700g per rl day, so keep it filled nonstop

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it is not important what you put in, they are balance so, that any produce will create 2700g value in the output

tranquil ginkgo
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Ill work on this once my plots empty in a little bit! Very appreciative

wary finch
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this is as well why I can confidently say that a high yield farm can run at 90k/rl day income, if 26 jarscan be run 24/7 -- requures about 17 ticks pro day though - 26x2700g = 70.2k plus the seeding and worm farming, easy 90k

tranquil ginkgo
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so good!

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ill keep plodding away working towards it

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in terms of the layout with the 10 - i have a 9x9 does it go 1, down 2, 2nd row top is 3rd? then 4th is top of 2nd row?

wary finch
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if you don't keep my layout shape it wont work like expected ofc

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every position of every crop has meaning

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but other players have good layouts too,you don't need to use mine

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it is just that mine offers easy transition until you have a bunch of apple tree seeds

tranquil ginkgo
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oh i see so still keep the top right missing

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i can adjust mine i have plenty of room

wary finch
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I put a fountain there or some other deco looks nice

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for example that wheelbarrow with flower looks nice in the corner

tranquil ginkgo
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I can do that, once i have enough gold to decor itll look pretty

wary finch
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crafting furniture gives housing stuff every level, like rooms, porch, door, fireplace

tranquil ginkgo
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I have umm levelled it to 9 i think, havent been super focused but wanted the house extensions lol

wary finch
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and there was no wheelbarrow among your stuff - strange

tranquil ginkgo
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rather than pick everything up when its time to set things in place i just havent put them down yet šŸ¤£ did the same in Animal Crossing I terraformed the whole island and decored area by area

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Might be! I put the bed swing there on an angle since i had it beside there anyway

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Nope I just looked šŸ¤£ Ive been crafting the Ravenwood stuff which gave me lots of XP, i can make the spring wheelbarrow though

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and built a 3rd seed maker to get me started

wary finch
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that you will not get much star cotton at start is intended to have more for the loom

tranquil ginkgo
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thats okay

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100000x better than what ive been doing

wary finch
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so showtime, garden needs attention, fish has to be caught

neat vortex
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Looks like the fertilizer calculations are just rounded down, period, nothing about midpoints

gray ridge
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so is it still profitable to have a worm farm for jars and cakes?

tranquil ginkgo
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I thought cakes werent profitable anymore to make?

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ive been scouring guides trying to figure it all out lol

neat vortex
# tranquil ginkgo I thought cakes werent profitable anymore to make?

Not if you're cooking solo, but for group cooking, they absolutely are. Just not as astronomically as they were before. Now it's [the ingredients for 1 role] -> 3 cakes, worth 187 to 280g each.
"1 role" could be:
starter, 1 starred blueberry (58g)
leafer, 1 sweet leaf (23g)
fruit froster, 1 starred apple (96g), 1 sugar (20g)
batter, 1 butter (40g), 1 egg (24g), 1 flour (10g)
regular froster, 1 milk (30g), 1 butter (40g)

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Those are all direct sell values OR the cost to buy at the General Store, not opportunity costs, of course

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but even if you consider a starred apple to be 144g it's still a bit ridiculous

stable ginkgo
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Donā€™t forget the ovens role which is free

neat vortex
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Ah yes, thanks! and spreader as well

stable ginkgo
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If you can get a good party together, it can be a ton of fun and quite profitable! The kind of experience Palia is designed for!

neat vortex
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The other "costs," of course, are spending an hour or two in active work, plus finding and/or hosting the cake party in the first place

wary finch
wary finch
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@tranquil ginkgoI ping you, because you wanted to use my garden plan - slight detail missing, see above

tranquil ginkgo
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thankyou! i almost have all the seeds ready and only 10 crops left to remove

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im working but i work from home so im logging on every hour to water

wary finch
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sounds like me

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and refill jars, fish a little and so on

tranquil ginkgo
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I told my partner and hes like, nah ill just do my own thing šŸ¤£

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hes not interested in fine tuning the gold making

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sounds like a him problem when i have brought ALLL the things

wary finch
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don't really know, if I should say it or not, but it's typically male to react like this and ok

tranquil ginkgo
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id say the same thing to him lol

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I have saved the above one for when i get apples

wary finch
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I planted my apples so, that they have a time distance of 2 days, in order to have 24 apples every 2nd day and when they all regrowing, the wait is just 4 days until I have 24 apples every other day again - I think that is more pleasant than a long wait of 10 days and 72 apples every 6 days thereafter.

tranquil ginkgo
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I need to hit level 10, so slow between 8-10 lol

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so you plant the apples all 2 hrs apart ( 2 full game days ) ?

wary finch
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don't forget that it takes 10 apples to get one seed, that is easy to forget.

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yes, that I have an even influx of apples

tranquil ginkgo
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Good tip to know

wary finch
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once all apples are grown, it should be possible to add like 10 jars within a week or so, should be enough income to do that

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aftere that it will be slower, because we are then at license prices of 20k+ each

tranquil ginkgo
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So 30 seeds > seed collector to constantly have 3x apple trees, the rest into jars for profit?

wary finch
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you get apples 4 times from a tree - and as they are all harvest boosted 96 apples from every tree, 10 apples for the replant, and 86 for making jam.

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but as we are not higher level yet, these apples will not all be star quality,

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they will though as soon as you can replant with star quality seeds

wary finch
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2 fairy carp, 8 mirror carp and 22 normal fish, not bad for 2 rounds - quality feed for 5hrs for my worms

somber iron
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Would anyone be able to fulfill my request for 20 birch Amber if we become friends and join servers

hasty onyx
somber iron
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Itā€™s all I can request on my end

covert kettle
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My largest single day haul yet

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Irl

tranquil ginkgo
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Cant wait to get this going properly

winged panther
hard steeple
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has anyone tried the guaranteed flow seed method in the new update and is it still working? Im convinced its not working or I just have terrible luck

rapid aurora
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Hello everyone I've got a question: patch 0.180 states "SpeedyGro Fertilizer will no longer be obtained by Glow Worm Farms, but will still be available for Gardening Medals at the Gardening Guild Store." Does that mean the things that produced SpeedyGro Fertilizer now produce QualityUp Fertilizer or some produce HarvestBoost? Wanted to know before I produce the wrong one but wiki isn't updated yet!

tardy vortex
tranquil ginkgo
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I answered my own question when I pressed G haha

tardy vortex
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How the SpeedyGro fert work? I just try it on "Napa" put 6 fert in it and it still take 6 day to grow. Waste of money

steel plume
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Any idea when they give us more soil? I'm so stressed about the odd number šŸ˜­šŸ˜…

thorn swift
steel plume
upper mist
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its been bugged since forever

tardy vortex
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got it. thx

cerulean gorge
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Is there a limit for the lil Ā«Ā gardening squares Ā» we can get?

gray ridge
cerulean gorge
royal whale
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Do apples not boost other apples?

tardy vortex
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no

royal whale
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Well thatā€™s lame lol

tardy vortex
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crops do not boost same crops

upper mist
upper mist
wary finch
wary finch
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it doesnt really matter if you have 2 carrots, 1 onion and 1 corn more or not, there are plenty in the garden already - dont bother with fertilizer yet

wary finch
covert kettle
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I do love one thing though. The more I fish the more fertilizer and money I make. Very win win.

floral talon
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7 apples trees is that with harvest boost fertiliser and watering crops in one line?

wary finch
# covert kettle I do love one thing though. The more I fish the more fertilizer and money I make...

hm, that is something for lvl 25+, fishing for the fertilizer and just have 9 trees with nothing else, but harvest boost fertilized. Would make for 864 apples in 30hrs, 90 required for replants leaving 774 or 619.2 in average per 24hrs, required amount of jars is then 32.6 - hm, but this would be for 24 ticks. Let's say you would want to do that with 27 jars instead - 18 ticks per day, thats not bad, income from that is then 27x2700g = 72,900g - pure apple farm.

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requires a hefty amount of fertilizer though.

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and this income can be achieved with less hassle as well

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In the end the amount of farm-utilized crafters decides about the income, and as long as you can keep them busy 24/7, that is then your fixed income, nearly independent of what you are actually processing, because these jars (and most likely as well seeders) are balanced to generate a fixed income per time unit.

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not to talk about that farming gets then extremely tedious and boring.

floral talon
wary finch
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everything - like I explained, crafters have a fixed output value, regardless what you put in- jars 2700g with any starred produce, it does not matter which one, as long as the jar is running 24/7, it will generate this income, because produce value and processing times are balanced to achieve this fixed outcome money-wise.

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I checked that for jars, not for seeders, because this is most likely that way as well, but you need seeders as well for replants, so I don't assume any fixed profit from those.

floral talon
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jars are way easier to use though

wary finch
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yeah thatĀ“is why my new character is running an everything garden now - as well, because I want to be able to cook and do other stuff, not just rake in money, that would be too tedious and boring.

wind plover
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Hey kann mir jemand helfen

wary finch
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was brauchst du jasmin

wind plover
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Mein Mann soll in einer Gruppe sein und er will da raus und es geht nicht

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Ich kann ihn nicht einladen und er mich nicht da es immer heiƟt er ist in einer gruppe

wary finch
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hm, notfalls den support drum bitten, das fĆ¼r ihn zu regeln.

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!support

compact coralBOT
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Oh hai there!
If you seek Player Support, you need only answer these riddles three...

Wait, actually, you just need to click this link.
http://support.palia.com/

And you can then submit a ticket to our sparkly, mesmerizing PS portal, which is open Monday - Sunday, 9am-5pm PST. Operators are standing by!

wind plover
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Haben wir da passiert nicht wirklich was

wary finch
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hm, ich fand support immer recht hilfreich, war die Anfrage in english?

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mit gruppe meinst du party oder, da kann support ehr nix machen, bei ner community schon.

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wie ist das wenn er relogged, ist erdann immer noch drin`?

wind plover
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Ja das Versuche wir ja aber wir wissen uns keinen Rat mehr er ist schon am Ć¼berlegen das Konto Plat zu machen und von vorne anzufangen

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Was bedeutet das

wary finch
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das geht nur auch nicht jasmin, man kann den account nicht lƶschen, nur nen neuen machen mit neuer email.

wind plover
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Ok

wary finch
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ich meinte, ist er nach aus und wieder einloggen noch drin?

wind plover
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Ja ist er

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Er hat das Spiel sogar gelƶscht und neu runter geladen

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Catcher geleert und und und

wary finch
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das nĆ¼tzt doch nix,die daten sind doch server-seitig

wind plover
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Das wussten wir nicht

wary finch
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mĆ¼ssen sie ja,sonst wƤre ja cheaten tĆ¼r und tor geƶffnet

wind plover
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Ja jetzt wo du es sagst

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Wie haben ihn sogar auf der Switch angemeldet aber naja

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Ich danke fĆ¼r die Hilfe wir warten mal ob es gefixt werden kann vom Support

wary finch
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wann habt ihr sie angeschrieben?

wind plover
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Vor drei Tagen das erste Mal da steht das es geklƤrt ist und heute habe ich sie wieder angeschrieben

wary finch
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ok, warts mal ab, vor 3 tagen war wochenende, da sind die nicht aktiv vom support

wind plover
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Ok machen wir danke

wary finch
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habt trotzdem spass in palia, ihr kƶnnt auch so uzsammen spielen

wind plover
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Machen wir danke

wary finch
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maybe someone of you guys knows, how to get out of a group, I guess, she meant a party, how to leave it?

vernal bluff
# wind plover Machen wir danke

Parties bleiben jetzt egal ob man ausslogged oder nicht. Solange die Party nicht verlassen wird, bleibt sie. Ɩffnen sie die Party Menu (wo die Freunde menĆ¼ und Geschenke) und clicken links mittel auf das verlassen Zeichen

wind plover
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Haben wir gemacht da steht nichts mehr drin

vernal bluff
wind plover
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Nein

vernal bluff
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Was passiert wenn er nicht eingeladen wird, sondern selbst versucht andere einzuladen, gibt es die Mƶglichkeit?

wind plover
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Geht nicht da macht er gar nichts

vernal bluff
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Hm, dann kann da nur Support helfen, das ist seltsam, hab noch so einen glitch nich gesehen :<

wind plover
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Wie auch nicht

orchid fiber
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anybody know a good gardening layout for harvest boost, water retention and revolving around apples

floral talon
tranquil ginkgo
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If you scroll up Lys Straya has 3 diff levels of plots

tranquil ginkgo
stuck holly
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Is there a max amount of garden plots you can have? Iā€™m guessing itā€™s 9?

stable ginkgo
gray ridge
floral talon
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wow appletrees need rewatering even when they got water retain buffs

sturdy rune
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is it still worth turning all my crops into seeds before selling them? i havent played since closed beta šŸ˜­

clear kindle
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it's always better to process the crops instead of selling raw, though it depends on the crop which way is more profitable to sell.

autumn horizon
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Not too happy with the gardening changes. Can't make enough fertilizer now to keep my crops going. Before was no problem. I wish they had left it alone.

clear kindle
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i had to change my entire garden layout to compensate for the lost of easy harvest boosts, but plus side, i'm now getting more money from apples and blueberries

upbeat sentinel
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just purchase my first apple tree what should my layout for it?

wary finch
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this means as well, that all of the first few harvests of apples go into creating those 6 seeds in stock. With nomal crop I reseed when my seeders aren't busy with other stuff, because in case I would run out, I could always start again with seeds bought from Zeki (ofc this has to be avoided, we want to only plant star seeds).

wary finch
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if you need 81 harvest boost every day, value has to be at least 790g in a single worm farm, with 2 half as much. The cheaper the grilled fish is the more worm farms you'll need.

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Medium example, 3 worm farms, 2 run with normal grilled mirror carp, the other with star quality grilled mirror carp (caught with normal worms in your pond), there are plenty of those in the pond, but you will have to get at least 6 of those every day, which means from my experience at least 2 rounds fishing with fishermen's brew (but at least it can be done with normal worms).

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I would suggest though, to rethink your garden layout.

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see it like this, if you need 790g value to have it harvest boosted, this means you are wasting nearly 19k gold in 24h on your layout - so finding a better solution is worth 19k - rethink it.

covert kettle
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Well I did another 70k day, but ill run out of apples tomorrow morning on the next round. I'll try to replant for 7 apple trees and see how that goes.

wary finch
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you mean you don't have enough to keep your jars going non-stop? you can actually calculate it, because jars have a fixed outcome money-wise, they need a fixed value as input, which is 1800g produce value per 24h and jar. A star quality apple is 96g, this means in average every jar needs 18.75 apples per 24h, now take the amount of jars you have and multiply it by 18.75, then you have the amount of apples required to run your jars 24/7. From there you can calculate how many ticks per rl day are required to create that amount of apples.

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7 trees are 672 apples in 30hrs, 70 required for replants, leaving 602, or an average of 481.6 per 24h or roughly 20 per tick. Let's say you run 24 jars, that requires 450 apples and 23 ticks - so this will not work with 24 jars like this, if you just have apples.

covert kettle
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20 jars

wary finch
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well this should be 19 ticks, because we multiply with 20 and 20 is the amount per tick required leaves those 18.75 -19 ticks then.

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income from apples is then 54k per rl day.

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but I guess you make quite a lot with fishing given your skills.

covert kettle
wary finch
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I would put tomato or cabbage in the center of your potatoes and an onion in the center of your bok choy, that those can boost each other.

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those bok choy have a good value increase seeded, but they take an awful lot of time as well.

covert kettle
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Interesting

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Smart move thx!

wary finch
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nice gif, love it

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I will have to check what is the reason that my other characters have no problem at all to fill 25-27 jars non-stop, they run 5 trees, 4 berries and some other crop.

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with 16-18 ticks

covert kettle
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Your ticks are likely much more well managed then mine

wary finch
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ah, I know, I juggle, those jars are not always out, sometimes I run 8-16 seeders for a short amount of time instead

covert kettle
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Ive got crazy design plans. I hope it works.

wary finch
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for your house or outdoor buildings?

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I would have to chop trees, but I'm not in the mood for it.

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like 1500-2000 wood units.

covert kettle
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Im thinking something like this, BUT, and it's a big butt, it needs to have seven trees. This layout is feasible but would require help from the community to run flawlessly. I could of sworn there was a way to get seven in this layout while still maintaining triple buffs on all seven trees. It may have just been six though, probably was.

covert kettle
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https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-10001-10001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-P.WA.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HP.WA.HA.H-A.HBk.HpA.HA.HO.HpA.HA.HBk.HpA.H-A.HA.HP.WA.HA.HCb.WA.HA.HP.W-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Bk.HpO.HpBk.HpA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Bk.HpO.HpBk.HpA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HP.WCb.WP.WCo.WCo.WCo.W-A.HA.HA.HP.WCb.WP.WCo.WCo.WCo.W

This was it. I'll try this tomorrow. The number of apples is low but maybe I'll adjust the number of jars. The esthetics allow for a pavilion in the middle.

wary finch
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in the end it doesn't matter what kind of star produce you put into your jars, they will always produce the same value in their outcome, if you can keep them running.

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This is just how they were balanced by s6.

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my pavilion is always used as a barbie now like this

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it's an old pic, I'm standing on a battery of glow worm farms.

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it is quite easy to calculate income this way, ypu put non-starred produce in a jar, creates 1800g per 24hrs, you put starred produce into your jar, it creates 2700g per 24hrs - in average, and it is not relevant what kind of produce that is, you just need to be able to keep that jar running-

tranquil ginkgo
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I just got my apple seed woohooo, Lys which do i replace crop wise from the everything plan im using to start with 1 apple tree?

tranquil ginkgo
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Found the plan!! took a whole lotta scrolling

wary finch
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pay attention to the plants around it, there might be changes

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but any step is just a few changes, just the 3rd tree has a couple more to care for

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the garden works really well, I expanded by 3 jars, bought 3 rooms and a pavilion from the income meanwhile

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well, that isn't completely true, because I have about 2.5k extra from fishing per ingame day.

wary finch
tranquil ginkgo
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I have sent them all to myself in DM now

wary finch
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with trees, which are not weed protected (I think the last one is not), you need to pay attention, there could be a weed in the center, which is hard to see.

tranquil ginkgo
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ooh i need to change my layout again to add the apple tree in

wary finch
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ofc you have to make space for it

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add the blueberry near the 2nd apple tree when you have the apple tree seed for it

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friend of ours is visiting us soon -he is a smoker, should I tell him, that cigarettes in OZ cost around 25 usd per pack? šŸ™‚ he won't be amused. Or that he won't be able to smoke them nearly everywhere in the city.

grave cobalt
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I heard bok choy makes the best profit, is that still the case?

wary finch
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it takes awfully long to seed it though

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the left side is nearly fully restructured though

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@grave cobaltseeding star quality bok choy gets the value from 45 to 88 (4 seeds a 22), that is a nearly 100% increase in value, it is quickly grown, but it takes really long to seed it, so to go full on for bok choy is hindered by the fact that the after-harvest process takes really long.

grave cobalt
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thanks šŸ˜„

wary finch
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so someone who doesn't have much time to play, can do that, because it is quickly grown and processed during his offline hours - but for someone with a lot of playtime, not really worth doing it.

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@tranquil ginkgoif they are planted all 2 days apart from each other, this can overcome the long wait when they regrow and guarantee at least 24 apples every other ingame day.

wary finch
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those 2 peppers vs. just 1 berry bush shouldn't bother you. At level 25 they can be removed and be replaced by berry bushes, because quality boost is then no longer required.

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well the left one, I guess I will let the right one stay where it is.

tardy vortex
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do we have a way to remove wrong planted crop?

wary finch
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use the hoe with the right mouse button

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or with x on switch

tardy vortex
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thx. you are savior

olive rapids
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what's the best method for farming glow worms?

wary finch
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quality grilled fish

covert saffron
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Anyone know how to get speedygrow fertilizer now? I used to use stared apple pies but now it just gives quality up fertilizer.

wary finch
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just from guild store

marble island
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any best farming layouts i was not playing for a bit and idk whats good now chapaathumbsup

covert saffron
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What the heck, that's dumb.

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Thank you for answering though. I regret not keeping more from before the update.

wary finch
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well, I guess that is intentional because they cannot fix the interaction with harvest boost, where one or the other is failing then

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speed boost is as well removed from berry bushes and apple trees, because it never worked

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@marble islandbest is so dependent on play time available and other factors, there is no best which would work for all

marble island
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Yea, thats true

wary finch
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for example if you want to pickle everything, it does not matter what you plant, because jars are balanced so, that they have a fixed output money-wise, 2700g with starred produce, 1800g with non-starred per rl day - as long as you can keep it going.

marble island
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okay thanks i didnt know about it

wary finch
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I was suprised as well, when I found out - but on the positive side, you can easily calculate your pickling income.

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this output value includes the used produce - the time to process is set so, that per in game hour 75g value can be processed, regardless of what produce it is.

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with starred produce

olive rapids
wary finch
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I haven't checked seeders, but I guess, it is pretty much the same there

radiant roost
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OK let's talk crops. What's this latest patch's most lucrative setup. (Apologies if this has already been talked about)
I'm thinking corn and onions in alternating rows..

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..Oh I just noticed potatoes starred are worth 67 0.0

granite crane
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what's the maximum number of flowers we can have? o.O

west crown
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Maybe someone can improve on that setup. It has 100% retain/weed and 74% harvest boost. I put speed gro on the apple tree and harvest boost on the 19 or so crops that aren't boosted.

clear kindle
velvet nacelle
clear kindle
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currently running this layout. using water retain on the apples and blueberries but don't have to worry about the weeds that could hide in the apple trees

granite crane
oblique lodge
velvet nacelle
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Anyone else notice that now you have to till your soil way more often? I tilled before I planted my tomatoes and I had to again after it was done. Before I would three sets of tomatoes and 2 of Apple trees befor need to retill.

oblique lodge
velvet nacelle
granite crane
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oh

velvet nacelle
granite crane
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500 flowers per plot?

velvet nacelle
clear kindle
granite crane
oblique lodge
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is speedygrow still broken ?

wary finch
velvet nacelle
west crown
clear kindle
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cooking for petit fives if i need them, but since i don't fish often, and i'm not harvesting the onions or bok choy, i only need two seeders and one of each worm and glow worm farm so i've put down more preserve jars

wary finch
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yeah, I found it interesting because everything you farm is preserveable, which means max income from jars is possible

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as in 81k from 30 jars

clear kindle
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currently running 8 preserve jars and i have space to drop a few more down, 6 of them are running apples while the other two are running blues. with me working and unable to be on the game for as long as i use to, the garden doesn't grow as well as it use to so now going to start afking on my days off to try to bump up the production

wary finch
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well that would be for non-stop gardening, so it is less dependent on how many ticks are left out

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ah ok

clear kindle
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like right now, all of my apple preserves are at 30 apples with only 18 in storage, and my trees haven't grown yet, my blueberries only have 6 left to process and i have no back ups to put into them as of this time

wary finch
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yeah it's not easy to find a good layout for very limited play time

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but I guess there is one, we just haven't figured it out yet

clear kindle
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i tried to do the regular worm farms that i use to do, and i felt like i was losing money now since the update to quality ferts, even though it looks like on the spreadsheet to be a bit better, so i'm just selling the preserve jars when i get a full stack of 30

wary finch
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glow worm farm is basically just a conversion now, there is no profit in it (just a few gold coins), makes practically just sense, if you actually use those worms.

clear kindle
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yeah, i have 255 glow worms still in my glow worm farm, and if the starred grilled fish is the way to go for worms, then it's better to just sell the preserves

wary finch
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the update is really good for fishing, just not as a profit maker in worm farms anymore.

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which makes sense seen from the design, because those worm farms come from the fishing sector

tardy vortex
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Greetings @neat vortex

I put some magic to a fertilizer formula from Lys Straya.
Need to fully check but look valid. Shame I can not copy from sheet with fert outputs to check as much as possible - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=19217145

Conclusion:

  • Harvest Boost fertilizer and Worms - same as Lys Said but need to RoundDown() if <=0.5 ---
    X = 2 + Value / 10
    IF ( X - RoundDown ( X ) > 0.5, RoundUp ( X ), RoundDown ( x ) )
  • Quality Boost fertilizer - always RoundDown() as Lys mentioned in discussion --- = RoundDown ( 6 + Value / 4 )
  • Glow Worm - I did not check it, but 99% sure that it must be as "Harvest Boost". RnDw() if <= 0.5 and RnUp() if > 0.5 --- Value / 50 --- with minimum of 1 Glow Worm
wary finch
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with a minimum of 1 ofc with glow worms

tardy vortex
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right. thx.
edited

wary finch
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now what is the cheapest available item, which could go in a worm farm

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ah nvm, it takes a full ingame day to process

tardy vortex
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didn't understand a question. Can you be more specific? Glow Farm? Cheap for as many G-Worm as posible?

wary finch
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no, was just an idea, because minimum is always 1 glow worm, regardless how cheap that is, what you put in.

tardy vortex
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guess tomato must be "only love". Easy to grow and lowest price

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I still working on most efficient crops in any way so it can be changed from tomato to something else. But with naked eye tomato is most logic option

wary finch
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hm, 34 for a starred one -and we get as result 1 glow worm 25 + 30 for the fertilizer 34 to 55

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nah, that is just 504g profit per rl day, so forget about it

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in a jar it creates 2700g value per rl day

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with 900g profit

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hm, but in the glow worm farm the value input is just 816g, compared to 1800g in a jar

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higher percentage in the glow worm farm, but less total outcome per used crafter

tardy vortex
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you mean selling G-Worms? in that case you might be right, but using them must be more profitable especially if fish in "Star Fish" spots. <24 G-worms from one farm can be used in half an hour. It can be profitable to set one Glow Worm Station.

wary finch
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I would use them, it is just a comparison between different utilizations of crafters

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I have a bunch of non-starred produce left, so maybe I throw those in the gw farm

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like value 23 - and I get 1 gw for 25 plus fertilizer for 20 - that is then 23 to 45, that is nearly doubling the value

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and if I sell the fertilizer, the gw has costed me 3g.

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if there would not be the opportunity costs as well

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because I use a crafter slot,which could make me 900g profit

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and that gets the price for that gw to over 40g - so not a good solution at all.

tardy vortex
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Raw tomato 23 to seed - 40x2/30/3 = 0.(8) coin per min --- seed price x seed output / time to craft / input count
Raw tomato 23 to preserve - 34/27 = 1.259 coin per minute --- output price / time to craft
Raw tomato 23 to g-worm - 45/60 = 0.75 coin per minute. --- output price / time to craft
Raw tomato 23 to worm - 40/60 = 0.(6) coin per minute

just fast calc, so not "must do" thing.
Make sense to use different stations for online and offline craft setting up most time related stations to offline, but make it easy and do just one is good to a normal sane state :)

wary finch
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I calculate like this 3g for the gw in the gw farm but missing out on 37.5g profit, because I don't run a jar instead = 40.5g calculatorical price of the gw.

tardy vortex
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how to use multiply sign in this chat? my formulaes are wierd ^_^

wary finch
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use and x instead

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ofc when I put that non-starred stuff in a jar, then it generates just 600g profit in 24hrs, but that doesn't make it better because those 600g profit are 300g less than I could make with that jar.

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Maybe I just sell it raw then

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or cook something with it - still a waste

tardy vortex
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yeah, with constant income of star crops that fully filling stations better sell or use others. It is law....which I did not follow. šŸ˜
I prefer stockpiling all until my chests are full, then I start to looking what I can sell with less pain in my heart :)

wary finch
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I have no pain at all, because it is calculated, I know exactly what the income will be and can plan when I will have achieved the 1 million earned and 10 million earned.

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stockpiling, hm, I do more of a just in time thing - I have currently less than 4000 in my inventory

west crown
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I think that -- once I switch from my current setup to a 5 tree setup -- processing will be a lot more efficient since I'll be loading the barrels up w/ just 4 crops. I'm going to save some crops for cooking and make some apple tree seeds. It's seems like a lot less work.

wary finch
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ok,given that all the worms are in my ammo pouch šŸ™‚

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yes,you are right it is less work

tardy vortex
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I need a treatment 'cos I take everything in any game. In Skyrim I was taking every spoon and other garbage just to stockpile it in one barrel that after few days of playing need more than 5 sec to open ^^ -- T_T

wary finch
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and I have modded it to have less storage everywhere

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and most I need for fire wood, kindling and stuff, I play with the frostfall winter edition, it is extremely cold most places.

tardy vortex
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I was in vanilla version only

wary finch
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this way it is more of a survival game than an adventurous one.

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especially because I have removed most crafting and magical stuff from stores as well.

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not that I would need it, illusion and conjuration is my trade.

tardy vortex
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Hardcore player for sure. I like challenge but very little. In most cases prefer relaxing gameplay and use save-scam. Casual player as is

wary finch
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somewhat I play permadeath, if I die, game over.

tardy vortex
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šŸ‘ šŸ‘

wary finch
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it is less dangerous than you think, because I have just fur armor (you know, its cold) I can outrun pretty much anything, summon my dremora boys, who are dealing with whatever is following me

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and with illusion I feel like a Jedi - calming enemies, let them fight each other, and the last one standing will be calmed and when he turns his back to me, I cut his throat.

tardy vortex
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I'm not so educated in magic. Prefer bows, shadows and save/load

wary finch
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useless in permadeath

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reload just in case of a major bug

raven sedge
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anyone got an idea how to get rid of the soil ? i can't remove it to build on my new plot :c and it's been like this for a while now

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wary finch
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48hrs then it should be back to sand

tardy vortex
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can it be that up to 6 ingame days online is enough?

wary finch
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I don't really know, just from experience while farming, I have to retile about 3 times a week.

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hm, then again, when a berry bush or spicy pepper is done, it is always sandy and requires tiling again.

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isn't that 18hrs then?

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when ingame

crimson pond
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hey, does since update any significant changes to what to use for preserves or seeds? I following this one
can't remember where I got it so can't give credits

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crimson pond
runic plinth
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anyoneā€™s garden plot bugged? i was able to move stuff away from my dedicated gardening area but when trying to place it back they get stuck saying something is in the way yet nothing is. when i group move the soil they arenā€™t all stuck together so im thinking something bugged my plot out šŸ˜­ im just hoping its due to stuff growing in the soil atm

hollow skiff
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anybody know a good way to label preserve/seed makers with certain crops? like a sign with a tomato on it or whatever

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idk if im missing something but i cant find a sign or anything with editable text

vernal bluff
vernal bluff
runic plinth
tropic shard
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Had some fun playing around with the crop layout tool this past weekend. Since the update made apples and blueberries apply harvest boost instead of speed boost, I wanted to try and improve on what I had before/get more variety.

My goals with this layout were 1) At least one of each crop 2) 100% water retain 3) 100% weed prevention except for 1 spot, which will be the only spot for that crop + it should be one of the least profitable crops (villagers sometimes request weeds) 4) I need a little extra cotton, my stock finally ran out after not growing any more for months lol 5) maximize profit 6) but also make the pattern slightly repeat itself, so it's a little easier to memorize

Note: The settings for which go in the preserve jars vs which go in seedmakers are important for profit. I also sleep each day and work a lot of the time and cannot always play, so when I maximize profit I'm not looking to maximize profit per real time accounting for processing time, just the profit per crop space per in game growing day.

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runic plinth
vernal bluff
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Yeah, they really need a lot of free space ahahah

runic plinth
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i hope they add these lovely purple hydrangeas in the next update heart

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rocky burrow
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i would love purple hydrangeas

lunar hill
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How do I get more plots to grow food??

tranquil ginkgo
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I think im on track Lys, I have 9 Jars running now, with my first apple tree just planted and moved on from the everything plan to 1 apple tree everything plan

tranquil ginkgo
frigid forum
wary finch
wary finch
tranquil ginkgo
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yeah very lol I havent spent on anything else but extra crafting slots

tropic shard
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I also prefer the square layout... It's nice and compact, so it fits in my tiny house plot. (I need to expand, I've spent all my renown on focus). It also has the maximum number of neighboring squares, meaning you can maximize the benefits of the companion planting stuff. I've found adding rice, which applies harvest boost, always has a big impact on the profitability of the layouts I've experimented with.

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More linear/skinny long layouts can look cool though

worldly belfry
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I'm super bummed the worm/glow worm farms produce so much quality up fertilizer now šŸ˜­

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Anyone happen to have a post-update chart on what to put in them now?

wary finch
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showtime - quality grilled fish

worldly belfry
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Wait..,.The current pinned worm farms fact sheet seems maybe up to date.... But all it shows is quality up fertilizer.
Did I not read the patch deets thouroughly enough?

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Do not tell me they took my fertilizers away

wary finch
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speedygro is just available in the guild shop now

worldly belfry
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paliathis <- arrow you just shot into my heart

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šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ thank you for ripping that bandaid off

wary finch
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want another arrow in it? glow worm farms make no profit anymore - example star quality grilled fish made from 2 star giant goldfish - value 3660g, creates 73 glow worms and 368 harvest boost fertilizer, but those are worth 3665g, so if you don't need those glow worms yourself, not worth doing.

worldly belfry
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....What the heck?

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I have never had a dev team make so many decisions That just make absolutely zero sense to me

wary finch
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you can get worms quickly, but there is no profit in it, if you don't fish with them.

worldly belfry
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No, no I get that... I don't understand their reasoning behind making the game so you are even more forced to do the skill activities

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They keep taking away various methods of making gold

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Though I do appreciate that they increased the drop rate of gems again

wary finch
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that was the intention of the changes, to make active activities more profitable

worldly belfry
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So... They raised some item prices?

wary finch
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fish

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gems are about 20-30% less worth

worldly belfry
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Oh my goodness....

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*looking over new fish prices

Aaaaand just as I expected I'm not seeing how their changes were reasoned

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I mean ...the changes in fish prices are so small

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Maybe they changed the fish catch rates

wary finch
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star grilled fish from star quality fish can reach quite a high price

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no that is like before

worldly belfry
# wary finch no that is like before

Sorry I meant like maybe they've behind the scenes decided to change the game mechanics of the catch rates of the fish to be implemented later... I can hope

wary finch
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there is nothing wrong, its better than before and useful now

worldly belfry
worldly belfry
tranquil ginkgo
drifting vine
wary finch
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I run my garden properly,everything will be harvested, processed or used

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this do you bother costs a lot of money as well going for an afk garden

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I run 25 jars with that farm, 2 seeders, 3 worm farms

worldly belfry
drifting vine
wary finch
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quality grilled fish

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and I fish with those worms, I don't sell them

drifting vine
wary finch
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like 2 fairy carps - if the grilled fish gets starred that 1080g value

worldly belfry
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Snap! I'm seeing a trend of the cooked fish having an overall price increase of 150% the ingredient fish šŸ˜ heck yeah

wary finch
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most of the time I feed them grilled mirror carp though, either 260 or 390g

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and levelling cooking with that quality fish is so speedy

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normal worm fising - pull out like 60-80 fish, about 10-12 are quality fish, that is feed for 5-6hrs for 1 farm, and the rest creates about 3-3.5k extra income - takes about 9 ingame hrs to do that including grilling them

worldly belfry
drifting vine
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Thats a lot of fishing.. o: My goshh

worldly belfry
meager wolf
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So since I started playing palia I've basically only grown and sold starred tomatoe seeds. What's a better alternative to sell?

wary finch
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hardcore, that is leisure fishing, I never said I would have to do those 9 hrs in a row, that is 3 hrs here and there

worldly belfry
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I'm gonna continue in the fishing channel cuz I feel Like I'm kinda pushing it with all this fish/glow worm/off topic talk

wary finch
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simply because I figured out when to catch those fish

worldly belfry
wary finch
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ofc

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and I have done it often enough to be able to reel in the catch very quickly

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I know my fish, I know their movement pattern, my hands act before I even know what fish it is.

wary finch
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given you run them the total time ofc

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your playtime basically decides about the amount of jars you can run 24/7 like this - and you know as well your income then - amount of jars times 2700 for starred produce per rl day.

meager wolf
wary finch
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imo it is

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the process times of these jars are designed so, that per ingame hour 75g can be processed - and this is pretty much the same for any preserveable produce.

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with starred produce, 50g with non-starred.

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it doesnt seem to be much, but run 24 jars and you find yourself with 64,800g daily income (rl day)

hollow mauve
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I mostly do blueberries, applies, and potatoes.

covert kettle
meager wolf
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Interesting interesting

wary finch
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there is a tab in the planner, where you can select how to process your produce

meager wolf
wary finch
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oh my, again someone who doesn't want to put in any effort

covert kettle
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It must be a pc feature

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I can't find it on my phone

wary finch
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there are icons in the upper right or lower center - 3 of them, the left one is what you normally see, the middle one gets to a sub-panel, which has as well 2 tabs

meager wolf
wary finch
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and the right one of those is where you select how it is processed

covert kettle
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Doh got it

wary finch
meager wolf
covert kettle
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Gardening is a grind

wary finch
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like 120 apples coming in, that is 5 per jar with 24 jars

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and when the next batch is coming in, they are nearly done

meager wolf
honest roost
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is it worth putting the jars in the worm maker anymore?

wary finch
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no

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it is just a grind if your mindset is like that, to me it is a fun activity

honest roost
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I mean the apple Jam

covert kettle
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It is fun, keeps me going. I'm gonna get that new layout on tonight if I ever get my apple trees to finish.

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Sell the jam directly

wary finch
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yeah, no longer worth it

honest roost
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thx

covert kettle
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Just wish these damn apple trees would finish cycling already lol.

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Awesome it didn't keep my jar output

wary finch
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it is 2700g per rl day, regardless what you preserve

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per jar

unreal tangle
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Is there a bug with trying to pick up gardening plots right now? For some reason mine are completely empty + tilled and the game won't let me pick them up.

tawny ore
unreal tangle
tropic shard
# tranquil ginkgo Could you share the actual link so I can have a look in my browser šŸ™‚

sorry for late replies, been working but needed a break anyways: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CPTBkRBkTPC-BkRBkCTCBkPBk-TPCBkRBkCPT-CBBBkBBPTP-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpCSpSpBkPTP-RBkCBkCBkTPCr-BkWBkPCbPCoOCo-CBkRBkCBkCrPT

Unfortunately, at least in my experience, the links never include the settings for whether something is preserved/converted to seeds, etc., so the profit will show as much lower when you click this link. I've always had to manually adjust settings after clicking the links for these.

tawny ore
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ah, bummer. i think it's one IRL day for them to revert but i'm not positive, sorry

tropic shard
unreal tangle
covert kettle
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Gonna break 750k tonight.

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Maybe I'll pull 99 lucky balls soon.

tropic shard
# tropic shard sorry for late replies, been working but needed a break anyways: https://palia-g...

I wonder if this issue with the links may actually impact which crops are favored in the community... People may be optimizing for profits on raw unconverted crops, when converting crops is always more profitable... Based on what I've experimented with, bok choy seeds are the best on their own by quite a margin. (Mixing in other crops, or at least rice if you're fine weeding and watering, is still ideal for the bonuses you get though). I haven't seen everyone recommend these though. Also, I'm pretty sure there isn't even a processing speed issue with bok choy, which I know some people with more play time may like to optimize for instead of just letting processors run while they're offline.

tawny ore
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the fun thing about optimizing elements of a complex system is that there's multiple right answers šŸ˜„

covert kettle
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Has anyone tried to plant soil in an elevated position?

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Like on top of blocks

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I noticed the well still works if it's inside a pavilion

unreal tangle
covert kettle
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Wip

tranquil ginkgo
stable ginkgo
# tropic shard I wonder if this issue with the links may actually impact which crops are favore...

So, bok choy actually does have a processing speed issue for the seeds. It is in fact the lowest when looking at only the processed crops. Bok choy seeds do have the highest gold per tile theoretically but that is only based on play hours not 24/7 playing gold per hour. I actually spent two weeks working on a new spreadsheet for gold per hour recently and am releasing it Sunday.

But people have been talking about bok choy ever since its release in February, just gets knocked down usually because of the processed gold per hour.

tropic shard
# stable ginkgo So, bok choy actually does have a processing speed issue for the seeds. It is in...

Oh interesting. I guess I didn't care enough about that metric to dig into it since I don't have enough free time to play often enough for processing time to matter for me, so my opinions on processing time were purely anecdotal just noticing how I'm always rushing to refill the bok choy seed processors haha. And yeah, loved that update. I guess I've just seen some interesting reddit posts etc. since then on what's super profitable.

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Thanks for calling that out for those who are optimizing for that

queen locust
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guys how many time need for growing crops like carrot

olive rapids
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does anyone know the physical temperature of the HeatRoot?

covert kettle
modern plover
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anybody got a low effort decent farm setup that doesnt use apples?

lunar tangle
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is my current farm

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modern plover
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I really really like how simple that design is

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Is it better without blueberries?

lunar tangle
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its just one someone else gave me. i havent played with farming too much tbh. i just use pickled potatoes as my main food source so this farm goes hard for it.

modern plover
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how much would you say this farm setup makes you

lunar tangle
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ehh i make most of my money from hunting. but this is what the website says.

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modern plover
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jesus

lunar tangle
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currently trying to figureo ut how to make the weedblocker fertilzer with glowworm farm instead of buying it.

modern plover
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i dont think you can make that one

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i think its just harvestboost and speedygro thru the worm farm

lunar tangle
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ah that sucks

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feel free to use that farm, like i said i got it from someone else.

modern plover
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is that rice?

lunar tangle
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potatoes, rice, tomatoes, corn.

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on god am i glad to have the fine watering can now...

wary finch
modern plover
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Oh I see, ty

modern plover
lunar tangle
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the weed preventing is like 40g at the shop, if u have some spare gold i'd just go drop that in

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40g for 20

modern plover
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that isnt too bad

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but you need to put multiple per tile right?

lunar tangle
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i mean i just now started using it so far i've only used 1 for each tile, i was doing that setup without any fertilizer before.

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im not really sure how it all works.

modern plover
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I wish I could make blueberries fit into it and keep it tidy but I cant seem to really

wary finch
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if you make the left column of every plot carrot onion carrot for example, you get most of it weed free, just the right-most column of your whole garden can get weeds then.

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it is then no longer 100% water retain ofc

lunar tangle
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ive thought about doing that, but the problem is im using the farm mainly for potatoes for food, so to keep in clean and effiecient im not sure i could do it better.

wary finch
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you do as you please, just wanted to mention it

modern plover
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the only thing keeping me from just making some crazy setup with all the crops and having fun is

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i cba replanting crazy mazes of crops every few days. sounds awful

wary finch
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it is pretty simple actually, you do it crop type by crop type

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with the crop seed selected in inventory it is then just harvest-click harvest-click harvest-click, and then the next crop type.

lunar tangle
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i was trying to come up with some way to be low maintenance with full weed prevention while still being potato output, but wasn't really able to.

wary finch
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well, you can use pickled corn as food as well, instead of rice corn rice - corn rice corn - and then like I suggested the left column of each plot carrot onion carrot, that most is weed free. then your foodstuff is pickled corn and pickled potatoes.

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and as the right-most column has no weed prevention in this case, you can put weed prevention fertilizer there, but imo it is not too difficult to check a single column for weeds.

lunar tangle
modern plover
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than the setup I ended up doin

wary finch
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that is normal, lazy layouts make less coin