🌱│gardening

[vernal bluff]

I noticed my harvest plants were getting the speed bug often, not apples though

[wary finch]

but now I understand why support always asked me if it is speedygro boost or plant boost

[vernal bluff]

Yeah, they could have left the fertilizer, but change the plants, don’t understand why they would take away both

[frail escarp]

They at least kept the fertiliser via guild store, and at much higher amounts to compensate (from 20 -> 50). That said it costs guild coins

[wary finch]

I guess, because it is unrelyable and they got tired of being reminded about it.

[unreal elbow]

Instead of fixing the bug for crops with both speed and harvest boost they just took speedgro out of the equation

pretty lazy work imo

[vernal bluff]

Yeah, but there are other guild store things, that ppl might want and 50 is not such a big amount

[frail escarp]

Y e a h

[vernal bluff]

I’d rather have it bugged than nothing at all AAAAAAA

[wary finch]

harvest boost is not that reliable as well. I often get 112 instead of 120 apples or even just 104.

[vernal bluff]

Wasn’t it bc of the speedy grow?

I heard that speedygro bugs harvest boost

[wary finch]

but I just have the plant boost, not using fertilizers anymore

[unreal elbow]

yea it was a bug when crops had both speedygro and harvest boost, it would like choose one or the other

[vernal bluff]

Same here I used fertilizers as already mentioned and I think I got less of this bug as well, not sure though

I once kept track of it and out of mb 5 harvests of 6 apples got one bugged

[wary finch]

yeah, this can well be, my failure rate in harvest boost was about 15-20%

like 4 bushes, should generate 36, but did just 33 ever so often.

[frail escarp]

Particularly, crops actually applies harvest/quality buff by 'chance' upon harvest. For a potato which grows up to 5 days, every day it gets the crop buff it has a 1/5 chance of getting harvest boost. For rice that grows 3 days, each day adds 1/3 chance.

The speed boost/harvest boost bug happens cause a potato for example would be harvestable in 4 days but only apply harvest boost 4 times (cause it didn't account for speedboosted days). Causing only a 4/5 chance of actually increasing your yield.

If a fertiliser or crop somehow failed to apply a boost on a given day, the same bug would probably occur

[vernal bluff]

Hmmm, now that made me think, my bushes were plant boosted and still had not a too huge failure in harvest, but I wasn’t observing them too closely, so not sure here

[wary finch]

when I put fertilizer on it for the whole amount of days, I found that on those bonus days it was not using any fertilizer

[frail escarp]

Y e ah, those tiny lil' glitches rlly mess things up

[wary finch]

I paid attention, because I have 9 jars reserved for berries and when I just get 33 instead of 36, I cannot fill all 9 with 4 berries.

[stable ginkgo]

@frail escarp I think the sort order is fine, I use the pictures to select crops and don’t use them based on order in the game so I think it will be the same user experience, overall nice job!

Ok, I’m late to the party hahahaha! Gonna read up through the chat so people don’t have to say it twice unless you want to

[vernal bluff]

Found my list, 3rd or 4th time one of my 2 bloobs bushes gave 6 bloobs.

[wary finch]

mine are all in between apple trees, maybe this has an effect as well.

[vernal bluff]

Mine get plant boost too, but mb it affects it more if both BLOOB and apple get boosts from each other?

Not sure if it makes sense

[frail escarp]

It's all good! Any opinions on it are welcome and my DMs are always open if you ever feel it might not fit in the channel

[wary finch]

well, we adjusted and have been living with it, it is just a minor issue, I have more than enough income, I just had the goal to get more than 100k out of my farm per rl day, this is now not going to happen anymore

[stable ginkgo]

Was mining really way ahead of gardening in terms of gold rates that it got nerfed and no nerf for gardening. Very glad I don’t have to change all of my numbers!

[half minnow]

can I request that someone who enjoys this sort of thing make a crop layout for me?

[wary finch]

if you power mined all day long you could easily make 8-10k with mining.

[stable ginkgo]

Oh dang

[wary finch]

from those star stones

that is why they reduced the prices of those star stones or possibly as well their drop rate.

my other characters started with mining for first income, now my new one does fishing.

[fresh mauve]

What are you looking for?

[wary finch]

in the patch note is a price example for shimmerfin, incredible price increase.

[half minnow]

at least 1 of each crop max harvest no fertilizers I'm fine watering and weeding manually

[wary finch]

there was a quite good one posted earlier here, maybe scroll up and look for it.

[half minnow]

I mostly just farm for ingredients and to chill

[fresh mauve]

This isn't every crop but you can easily swap things out. If there is an every crop up above, you may want to find it cause I rotate . v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HTCOPRCRCr-OPTWRWPCO-COCr.HRPTCrRC-TWOPRCOWP-TOTRWRTPT-PWOCRPOWT-CRCrTPRCr.HOC-OCPWRWPTO-CrRCRPOCTCr.H

just made this one for cake parties. v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPTBBPBBW-AAAAAAAAA-BBTBBPWPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPTWCoWTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPWPBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-WBBPBBTPT

[wary finch]

you need to post the full url, otherwise it is worthless.

[fresh mauve]

you can't plug that code into the planner?

[frail escarp]

Will post it anyways for ease

1. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HTCOPRCRCr-OPTWRWPCO-COCr.HRPTCrRC-TWOPRCOWP-TOTRWRTPT-PWOCRPOWT-CRCrTPRCr.HOC-OCPWRWPTO-CrRCRPOCTCr.H
2. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPTBBPBBW-AAAAAAAAA-BBTBBPWPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPTWCoWTPT-AAAAAAAAA-TPWPBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-WBBPBBTPT

[fresh mauve]

lol was just about to post that

Sorry; I forget we aren't all on PC

[wary finch]

ok, at least I learnt something, that code gets behind the layout= 🙂

I never really paid attention to how it is encoded before.

[fresh mauve]

Yeah that one Bella has up there is nice

[wary finch]

indeed and will work as well with the new boosts, just replacing speed with harvest boost.

[fresh mauve]

I might use that after I stock up on fruit. Thanks for pointing that out.

[fresh mauve]

Link to Bellas layout #🌱│gardening message

[wary finch]

I will build a lot of furniture when the patch is live, my new character wants those free buildings.

[half minnow]

I think I'm pretty happy with this: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCrWCrOCCCbCo-RWROSpSpCoSpSp-WRPCbBkRCoCW-CbBBCrBBCOCo-AAAAAAAAA-CoOCBBCrBBCb-WCCoRBkCbPRW-SpSpCoSpSpORWR-CoCbCCOCrWCrT

[fresh mauve]

I get distracted to much and forget to water.

[wary finch]

return at 3am, garden, wait for 6am garden again, then you can go out for about 40 hrs and do something else.

this way it is enough to care for your garden just every other day and be fine.

[fresh mauve]

Chop grove at 3AM, oh look a squirl

[wary finch]

then garden from 9pm to midnight and again at 6am

then you have 36hrs to do something else in a row.

(from 9am to 9pm the next day)

[fresh mauve]

Yeah I do the night thing

[wary finch]

my schedule is now based on premium fish and when it is in my pond.

[fresh mauve]

If I'm watching tv or working, I will forget sometimes. I have used timers in the past, but found I just ignore them.

[wary finch]

I have it somewhat in my feeling, when looking at the clock,it is most of the time at the full hour, the best time to do my gardening twice and then I am free for 1.5hrs.

[fresh mauve]

And if I'm farming flow wood... what crops?

[wary finch]

any, you don't miss a tick this way, it is just that you care twice for your garden within 6 ingame hours

you can watch a movie, but before it ends, you will have to garden again.

[fresh mauve]

Yeah that one layout I posted can be ignored as long as you want.

[wary finch]

just if you stay logged in

[fresh mauve]

That's what I mean

[wary finch]

I tend to log out, just in case I won't return in time.

[fresh mauve]

you can just log in and back out though, and not have to touch it.

[wary finch]

yeah, I'm not used to water retain, I will see how I like it

[fresh mauve]

If you log in before the 6AM growth, then back out after you're good.

[wary finch]

plus managing my crafters

[fresh mauve]

yeah but if you need a 2 hour window

[wary finch]

then I'm just not playing, otherwise it would stress me out.

my spouse and friends need attention too.

[fresh mauve]

I work from home, so it's no biggie for me.

Oh yeah those times are def no play times, but that's just a given. I'm by myself all day during the day.

[wary finch]

we are both working from home, so we are in constant communication,but doing different things, nevertheless we need quality time where nothing is distracting us.

[fresh mauve]

No doubt there.

[wary finch]

something like the iconic cream tea, where no phone or device is allowed in the parlor.

just tea, scones with jam and clotted cream and conversation.

[fresh mauve]

Haha. I'm old and I leave my phone at the house all the time. They used to be attached to the wall, and it was epic.

[wary finch]

there is a word now for being perma-attached to your phone - nomophobia

[fresh mauve]

I use mine to call and text.

[wary finch]

I use mine to pay in shops and to text, I rarely call anyone.

and to order foodstuff, hungry-hungry app.

[fresh mauve]

Yep; I don't even do that. Maybe use the maps every now and then when on a trip.

[wary finch]

we have 1300+ restaurants in Melbourne, and this app shows about 300 delivery services nearby,, all with pictures and payment included, really good service of this app.

[fresh mauve]

Neither of us likes to order out, and we both cook.

[wary finch]

we do too, but there is foodstuff from all over the world, one better than the other, like I like middle-eastern food or russian and can get authentic foodstuff this way.

But as I'm a born german, I need to bake my own bread, there is no good bread in Australia.

[fresh mauve]

Never been there, but I can empathize.

[wary finch]

I'm aussie since 2020, no longer german, but that doesn't change the preference of foodstuff.

So when we cook it is mainly bavarian or german foodstuff.

[fresh mauve]

I spent a lot of my childhood in Italy, but nothing here tastes the same, unless you cook it yourself.

I'm in the USA

[wary finch]

then you know the problem with bread, they have the same fluffy slightly sweet white bread there as well.

[fresh mauve]

LOL the bread I remember form Italy you needed a chainsaw to cut. I do remember going to Germany during the summers, and yeah that bread was super good.

[frail escarp]

Not sure when the update is coming but the sandman is approaching my doorstep
I'll try to stay up a lil' longer but just in case someone ping me incase the garden planner is missing and I'll jump out of bed (if not fully asleep)

[wary finch]

yeah, its chewy and that makes it good, that fluffy stuff is just good for sandwiches and in that case I prefer banh mi instead

all good, Aisen, relax and enjoy your rest.

[fresh mauve]

Bruschetta with real Italian bread I really miss.

[wary finch]

you see, that is what I meant, you never lose the preference for foodstuffs from where you came from.

[fresh mauve]

Yeah but where I'm at you have to cook it yourself to even come close.

[fossil loom]

So, I've been focusing almost exclusively on tomatoes and preserving them. If I'm able to check into my game frequently, I can earn an average of about 30k per day..

Is there other ways to make decent profit when I can't access my game often?

[wary finch]

I like pickled herring for example (Bismarck herring), but they don't catch the pacific herring here, so I have to import it from germany, figure that.

[fresh mauve]

I did tomatoes when I started

[wary finch]

30k is already good when you play for like 15-20hrs per week.

[fresh mauve]

O_O

[fossil loom]

So is my tomatoes route likely the simplest atm? I've seen some garden layouts that were just too much hassle

I have all my plots neatly separated atm. 8 of them are now 6 tomato, 3 potato and the last plot is an apple tree.

I preserve tomatoes to sell and use potatoes in my glow worm farm

[fresh mauve]

Thee more complex looking ones are actually easier to maintain and more profitable.

[wary finch]

my newbie layout is a column of wheat, rice, corn, a column of tomato, potato, tomato, a column of carrot, onion and carrot again. This is 100% water retain and just the left side has no weed protection.

[fossil loom]

Sounds like you get a nice variety of items as well.

[wary finch]

it is good at start, I have enough for cooking and get about 330g per plot per day.

[fossil loom]

Not too shabby. I'm just a lazy farmer 😅😂

[wary finch]

at start you cook a lot of hearty veggie soup and ramen, and for this it is good, and once you can preserve, pickled corn serves as foodstuff as well.

later then pan-fried dumplings and so on, it is good to create a stock of veggies at start.

[fresh mauve]

Sernuk Noodle Soup FTW. hehe

[fossil loom]

I haven't unlocked Sernuk Noodle Soup. I do love making Chili Oil Dumplings though

[wary finch]

ah yes, farm spicy peppers as soon as you can, later on you are not very likely wanting to plant that again, because everything turns out star quality by default.

[floral talon]

got a hundred of em banked unstarred

[fossil loom]

I'm Gardening 28, and 99% of what I harvest is star

[wary finch]

yeah with star seeds it's 100% even. what you get unstarred are a few extra seeds.

[fossil loom]

Mostly weeds. Haha

[wary finch]

nice chatting btw, even it was totally off-topic.

[fresh mauve]

Yeah same. I was worried we were going to get yelled at for being in the wrong chat.

Server is up, I'm in queue

[wary finch]

still updating, aussie internet is crap.

[floral talon]

ug et free blueberrry and apple seeds early on 😦 im not playing that long even but i get it eventually

[wary finch]

care for enough focus then, harvesting apple trees drains your focus quickly.

[slow flame]

the first one? what ius it meant to do?

[fresh mauve]

Profit and no maintenance

[unreal elbow]

Hey guys im working on updating my fertilizer outcomes sheet, if you have any information to add itd be much appreciated!!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=sharing

[native sleet]

had a weird bug? I had 20 pickled star carrots in glow worm over night and had 0 results, do they not like carrots or just a bug from patch?

[unreal elbow]

no idea, it might be a bug. it seems everything i had going overnight produced both pre and post patch items, like a mix. im going threw everything new now,

[native sleet]

Alright thanks!

[unreal elbow]

it shows for me i can still put in pickled items, although i only have pickled potatoes atm

[native sleet]

I only have 4 farms so far, only been playing a week, so far potatoes seem to be best for me anyway. First time seeing your sheet

[unreal elbow]

i made it back during patch like .169 but was gone for awhile to finish school. im updating it now 🙂

[native sleet]

Alright, thanks. My daughter told me about the game. She started playing it while she was in college and only has 5 hours lol..but she has her degree now but wow released new stuff so i already surpassed her by 30 hours!

[sick umbra]

does anyone have apple tree seeds for me??

[native sleet]

I can give you 10 apples, so you can make seeds

[sick umbra]

ye splease!

[native sleet]

name in game?

[sick umbra]

Bunny Ellewood

[native sleet]

okay request apples

[native sleet]

sent friend request

[sick umbra]

oh, i have never had apples before so i cant request them :')

[native sleet]

oh sorry!

[native sleet]

Nai’o – Once you reach friendship level 3 with him, you can complete the Nobody Won quest and receive an Apple Tree Seed as a reward.
Zeki – You also need to befriend Zeki and reach level 3 to unlock the Magical Mystery Machine quest. During it, you can receive one Seed and then another one as a quest reward.

You can also buy them once you reach 10 in gardening from the guild gardening store

[sick umbra]

ty! i alrrady got the nai'o one, but its taking ages for the apple sto grow :(

[native sleet]

yeah its a 12 day total harvest I believe. I have harvested mine twice so far

[sick umbra]

damn

[native sleet]

you can harves 4 times though like tomatoes and blueberries

[sick umbra]

can someone explain charts like this please? im so confused 😭

[teal tendon]

Wasn't the new path things supposed to bought from Badruu? Can't find them

[vernal bluff]

His register, not guild store

[teal tendon]

Oh damn, didn't even knew that guy had a register. Still pretty new. Somewhere at his farm i assume?

[vernal bluff]

Yes, near the apple trees, on the left from ormuus

[teal tendon]

Thanks!

[narrow widget]

each garden plot is a 3x3 space. (9 crop spots per plot)
some crops like apples, blueberries and peppers take up multiple spaces while other crops like tomatoes, potatoes and onions are single spaces.
when you place 9 garden plots together like in the image, you can grow the bigger crops across the entire garden space because it's one continuous garden.

my garden in the image being an example, i have apple trees grown on an entire 3x3 space (one whole plot), and my peppers take a 2x2 space of another. i have a tree hovering across two plots and it can be placed there because all 9 garden plots are joined. what benefits this apple tree provides will be spread to any crops on the other plots that touch the tree. likewise this is the same for any crops.

which leads to this next point:

the little symbols above the crops mean what benefit the crops are receiving from nearby crops.
all crops provide certain benefits as you can see quickly on the "crops" row above the layout, but it's important to note that placing two of the exact same crop (tomatoes and tomatoes) next to each other does not provide benefits.
you want to rotate with, for example: tomatoes and potatoes, that way they water each other and surrounding crops as well.

the lil dung symbols mean fertilizer is used, you can obtain fertilizer mainly from using the worm boxes.
certain types of food for the worms, will yield different fertilizer.
you can see what benefits those give at the top under "fertilisers per day"

if you have any more questions, just ask

[sick umbra]

tysm for giving me such a detailed explanation!! <3

[narrow widget]

you're most welcome, it can be a little overwhelming at first but i promise it is really simple once you get the hang of it!

[sick umbra]

i really appreciate it <3

i just cant seem to get my hands on more apple tree seeds/blueberrie seeds tho :’)

before lvl 10 gardening

[narrow widget]

if you have any seeds now, you can put the fruit into a seed maker and produce more seeds

[sick umbra]

yess, it just takes alot of time for the apple trees and blueberry bushes to grow haha

[narrow widget]

yeah unfortunately but they also make a loooot of money! you'll get there, meanwhile try and get some quality fertilizer on them too. quality fruit makes quality seeds!

[sick umbra]

can i buy them at badruu’s?

[narrow widget]

only normal quality but you can buy them at badruu's after level 10
sometimes you can get them from zeki's coin machine too.

there's also two quests that provide a seed, zeki's and nai'o level 3 quests. (actually zeki's give 2)

[sick umbra]

i meant the fertilizer u were talking abt hehe

[narrow widget]

oh apologies! you can buy quality up from badruu at level 4 gardening but the easiest imo is using the worm farm and throwing some mushrooms or really any nq crop into them. some food gives out a lot of fertilizer compared to others.
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Worm_Farm
here's the link for it!

[sick umbra]

tysm!!! you’ve been a big help :D

[narrow widget]

np i really enjoy gardening so happy to help answer your questions

[sick umbra]

i rly enjoy it too m just not good at it yet. ive only started playing palia like 2 weeks ago haha

[narrow widget]

not that you aren't good, you just aren't familiar with the mechanics! we were all new to it at one point also! welcome to palia then!

[sick umbra]

thank you!! u are so nice :) i would love to visit ur plot one time :D

[narrow widget]

what's your ign? i'll add you

[sick umbra]

Bunny Ellewood :)

[narrow widget]

is that a legally blonde reference? :P

[sick umbra]

HAHA yesss

[narrow widget]

i love it! i added you btw, I'm Kore

[sick umbra]

btw i do have another question. how do u empty ur soil to make it into another format?

[narrow widget]

you mean remove a crop right? if you're on pc you just hold right click and it'll show you a bar for the "health" of that crop before it is removed. unfortunately i'm not sure what it is for switch

[sick umbra]

i dont understand :’) m holding right click and it doesnt show me anything

[narrow widget]

sorry i forgot to say with your hoe out! i just realized i didn't add that

[sick umbra]

aaah ty! got it :)

[narrow widget]

my bad sorry! glad you got it!

[sick umbra]

u dont get the crop back do u?

[narrow widget]

unfortunately no, if you need any seeds i have plenty to spare

[sick umbra]

crap lol

[clear coral]

if i’m wanting to redo my entire farm plot to match one of the examples i found on here, would it best best to start all over with empty plots so i can plant everything at the same time?

[narrow widget]

i'll send you apple seeds if you need

[sick umbra]

i actually got an apple tree seed from a request earlier :D so i have enough for now, bc m also making seeds in the seed collector

[narrow widget]

if you have stuff in, you can just wait for it to grow and let it clear out that way you don't waste the crops by removing anything, otherwise you can slowly replace everything if your plot is not empty.

[sick umbra]

m just gonna wait for my blueberries to grow so i can harvest them and then m gonna empty my crops and put in a format

[clear coral]

so i can just move my plots around and plant the right crops when the current ones run out?

[narrow widget]

yep! crops aren't affected when you move the plots, so you can just move them around freely. just start replacing them as they grow out and soon you'll have your actual farm up!

the only thing that would prob be affected is the crop benefits depending on what you grow and where but since you're replacing everything anyway, i wouldn't worry about it.

[sick umbra]

@narrow widget did u add me on palia?

[narrow widget]

i did!

[sick umbra]

could u sent it again?

[narrow widget]

i tried, i think it's still active because it's not giving me the option again.

try adding me, I'm Kore.

[sick umbra]

added u

[narrow widget]

i think friends is being buggy again, it didn't show up on my end either :c

[sick umbra]

aw :(

[narrow widget]

i'll add you meanwhile on discord!

[sick umbra]

added u back ;)

[clear kindle]

hold up. do apple jams no longer give harvest boost fert in the worm bin? because i had a ton of apple jams processing and now i have quality up fert in them instead of harvest boost

[unreal elbow]

Worm bin farms changed a bit, no more speedgro

Im working on updating my sheet here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=sharing

[stable ginkgo]

Apples and blueberries also give Harvest boost buff now

[clear kindle]

so, apples no longer give harvest boost is what i'm understanding

great, i know have to destroy my entire garden

[unreal elbow]

apples used to give speedgrow now they give qualityup in the worm bins

[clear kindle]

in the regular worms they gave harvest boost. i used to do water retain and weed prevention and use the harvest boost fert on the apples only since i harvested just the apples

[lofty sandal]

Seems it's no longer profitable to turn apple jam into worms/fertilizer with the regular worm farm. The sell price of raw jam and the sell price of worms/fertilizer is equal in price. This makes my worms sad.

Currently testing carrot, onion, and tomato perseveres in glow worm farms.

I could math it but I'm currently too lazy to

[clear kindle]

yeah, and changing the fact that the worm bin no longer makes harvest boost means i'm having to change my entire layout

[lofty sandal]

My glow worms just produced harvest boots.
Onion (67g) one glow worm (25g) and nine boosts (5g). onion jam makes a 3g profit.
Carrot (51g) gave one glow worm and seven boosts. So 9g profit.

[clear kindle]

but it still takes an hour to make worms right? or did they change the time limit as well?

[lofty sandal]

Still an hour

[clear kindle]

yeah, i'll just buy water retain fertilizer and use weed crops to buff my apples and now blueberries

[wary finch]

so far a nice update, especially helpful for new players. Farming is a bit different for newbies though, because the focus on certain crop has changed and with the changes to worm farming different layouts than before are more useful - still experimenting though with my new character.

like cotton is more important now and grain much less than before.

[wary finch]

put grilled fish in your worm farm, even the one caught with no bait at all in your pond at daytime (cantankerous koi) is like 200g grilled and star quality 300g, you never before had that potential with no bait fish at all, even better with those caught with bait.

[limpid pivot]

i am but a simple farmer. did thi s update mess with gardening stuff pretty well? my garden is out of sync now

[wary finch]

and when you fish with glow worms in your pond, go for grilled cloudfish or grilled giant goldfish, the results are awesome.

stalking catfish is not bad as well, just not as good as cloudfish and giant goldfish.

[lofty sandal]

Glow worm or regular farm? My grilled nonstared koi only came out to 130g. Which is annoying cause that gives more gold than many harder more mat intensive dishes.

[wary finch]

which koi is that? I mean normal fish, grilled and when the grilled fish gets starred, it gains 50% in value.

do you select that fish before grilling it? that it combines 2 of the same kind into one grilled fish?

if not, it might combine any 2 fish, which is most likely much less value.

I feed them currently cantankerous koi (the one caught with no bait), that is at least 200g and when starred 300g.

[lofty sandal]

Of course I wasn't choosing my fish. It should just know what fish I wanted to use. Haha

[wary finch]

you need 2 of them though, always select them for best results.

I intend to not go for sweet stuff in my worm farms, I can do without quality upgrade fertilizer.

as a result I will likely farm spicy peppers until hitting level 25 with my new character.

[sick umbra]

how to untile ur soil?

[wary finch]

you need to wait until it happens by itself, there is currently no way to untile it otherwise.

[sick umbra]

how long does that take?

[wary finch]

2 rl days afaik

[sick umbra]

2 irl days???

[wary finch]

that is my guess, about that, some plant quickly growing stuff on it meanwhile, but I doubt it helps

my peppers farm will look something like this

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-C.HSp.HSp.HCo.HSp.HSp.HSp.HSp.HSp.H-Co.HSp.HSp.HO.HSp.HSp.HSp.HCo.HSp.H-Co.HSp.HSp.HO.HSp.HSp.HSp.HC.HSp.H-Co.HSp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.HSp.HCo.HSp.H-NNNNNNSp.HBk.HCo.H-Sp.HSp.HSp.HCo.HSp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.H-Sp.HC.HSp.HCo.HSp.HSp.HBk.HSp.HSp.H-Sp.HO.HSp.HCo.HSp.HSp.HO.HSp.HSp.H-Sp.HBk.HSp.HCo.HSp.HSp.HC.HSp.HSp.H-Sp.HSp.HSp.HCo.HSp.HSp.HNNN
with enough harvest boost fertilizer

and once I'll hit level 25, I will never again plant peppers or cotton

btw sifuu has raised her prices, like copper from 80 to 120g

[lofty sandal]

Maybe putting the plot in storage. Never tried. You can uproot plants if you mistakenly put the wrong one down. Have your hoe equipped. Forgot the buttons from that point.

[wary finch]

you cannot pick it up when it is tiled

[craggy wing]

Since apples have harvestboost now....does that mean just 3x3 apples is the best setup?

[wary finch]

they don't give it to each other

but what you could try with your empty soil, in plot edit mode right clicking it,like when you take something from your house back into inventory.

[wary finch]

X on switch and using your hoe with the right mouse button on pc.

mining is not as bad as I thought as well, about 25-30% less value for the star stones.

[burnt trench]

I'm a sad panda. Lol. You can't have unlimited flowers. 🤣 And I am finding new ones now, so now I need to go back and take out a bunch and replace them with new ones that I am finding.

[velvet nacelle]

The cap for flowers is 500

[rich bolt]

I don't know what to feed my worms now

[celest folio]

are there empty flower pots/planters to plant seeds in?

[lofty sandal]

Nope. There are flower pots/planters with flowers already in them though

[slow flame]

Question. How many star and non-star blueberries do you guys get per harvest? I'm just looking for the average yield per harvest without fertilizers or nearby crop boosts.

[unreal elbow]

0.180 Updated Worm Bin Outputs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=sharing

Still need to check some cooking recipes but mostly everything else is on there now 🙂

[clear kindle]

thank you for your hard work

[wary finch]

grilled fish, the expensive ones

without bait 200/300g are possible, with normal worms 260/390g, with glow worms I haven't tested yet

without bait, cantankerous koi, with normal worms mirror carp, this is what I'm feeding my worms currently

grilled ofc and if possible the starred version

with glow worms it will likely be stalking catfish, cloudfish and giant goldfish

all from my pond

as my 5th character is new, she doesn't have enough focus yet to run glow worm fishing effortlessly, so I wait until I have enough focus.

my trust in muscle memory instead of thinking about what the fish will be doing, works great.

grilling (expensive) fish is increasing cooking skills rather quickly as well, a good combination

I started yesterday and have level 8 in cooking already, mainly from grilling fish.

[fleet maple]

no more growth boost from apples and blueberries aka i have to redo my whole plot too 😭 not like it took me days to figure out my ideal plot layout or anything..

[jagged shuttle]

I don't like it either. And I'm level 110 now.

[wary finch]

well speed boost before was not working anyway, so now you have a boost which actually works

and if we like it or not, it's their game and their design, we just have to adapt

and seen like this, you don't have to change anything, if you don't like, before you had apples and berries, which did nothing, now they might do something what you have anyway, so you could just let it stay how it is - just if you want to minmax, you have to change it

I will likely change nothing, because any change I could do leads to less income.

first I thought, I could go for a lazy layout now, but that costs me 16k per rl day, not doing that.

[craggy wing]

So Jams give qualityup fertilizer, which means they are basically useless and so anyone find an alternative to apples now?

[wary finch]

yeah, they always were, because 144g value doesn't produce much, grilled fish was always the better choice.

well, not if you wanted speedygro ofc.

[craggy wing]

Grilled fish is an active process, Im looking for the easiest "set it up walk away" money maker

Aka, garden to jam to glowworm farm max money low hassle

[wary finch]

it is, yes, but it is a difference if you feed starred giant goldfish for 1320g or mere 144g with jam - it is near 10 times more output.

[craggy wing]

going from the best fertilizer gold value to the least is a huge nerf to what I was doing

Yeah, Im not talking about fishing Im talking about gardening. I just sell the fert and the gloworms. I also put fish in there from time to time

I have like 10 glowworm farms I'll never have enough fish to feed them

But end of the day Im just looking to turn my garden into profit not fish

[wary finch]

I run 3, which has a better output than 10 running with lesser quality feed.

and now with increased fish prices it is even better.

but the formula has changed as well

[craggy wing]

Yeah, again, fishing is an active activity, gardening is a passive one

[wary finch]

not my garden, it is actively managed

I mean, if I don't run the garden and fishing, what else is there to do? I'm not interested in fluff like plushies and such.

treasure hunting, what do I need that for? this is the general problem this game has, there is a wall for those, who have an entrepreneurial sense and are not that adventurous.

[craggy wing]

I mean I just decorate, so gardening is something that mostly just progresses in the background while I spend time on my plot

and I farm to get resources to decorate more. Seems to be the core loop for me.

[brave sable]

How long does it take for a Apple Tree to regrow fruit back?

[copper valley]

So no more worm farms, just gotta go ham on apples and bluebs for money eh?

[mossy belfry]

If I'm not mistaken, 6 in game days

[wary finch]

worm farming with apple jam was never really profitable, I will give an example - take the one with 10 glow worm farms, that requires 240 jam to run an rl day, a jar can process 19 apples per day, so it requires 13 jars to process 247 apples, 7 of them are not used in worm farms, they generate a value increase of 48 each = 336g, the other 240 generate an increase of 64g each = 15360g, so we have a value increase in total with 23 crafters of 15696g, that is 682.4g per crafter or 28,4g per ingame day and crafter - pickling star carrots is about 35g, so it is worse than pickling carrots.

Selling the jam on the other side, is a value increase of 38g per crafter and ingame day, that makes sense

Now if you can consistantly run this with 24 jars, it creates a value increase over the raw apple price of nearly 22k per rl day.

[copper valley]

I should've been more specific. I meant for the speedygro, not so much for the profit.

[wary finch]

yes, that is what makes sense, if you use the output somewhere, but not if you sell everything

at least for speedygro it made sense, not for glow worms, there are better ways.

overall the changes are not bad, mining got a slight hit with about 25-30% less value of star gems, that is still good income, if someone is mining all day long.

normal worm fishing - my current average with 9 ingame hrs fishing and grilling fish is about 3-3.5k gold, that is not bad at all - caught a couple of mirror carps and 2 fairy carps, which I fed to my worms.

The rest I've sold for not quite 3k.

3rd day with this new character, so newbies can make good money relatively quickly now.

soil prices - starting at 200, increases of 50 up to 500, so easily obtained as well.

My guess with the quality upgrade fertilizer barred behind sweet stuff in worm farms is to give bug catching a push - there is still this recipe to craft that fertilizer from bugs, meat and sundrop flowers.

hm, the outcome in normal worm farms seems to be 2+value/10

midpoint rounded down

[wary finch]

yeah, formula is correct, just put in starred grilled fairy carp, value 1080g, output was 110/110

that fish is not even that rare, I caught 4 of them in a single fishing round.

and 6 mirror carps, maybe the catch rates have been adjusted as well.

or there is a secret newbie bonus, who knows.

similar experience with mining, I never before got so many star gems whilst just mining a bit.

[wary finch]

hm, not much new seen formula-wise - glow worms are value/50, minimum 1, quality upgrade fertilizer is 6+value/4 and harvest boost is like normal worms 2+value/10

[calm pagoda]

I've been trying to use the Palia Garden Planner thing to optimize my garden - I want it to be self-watering and weed-free, with at least 1 of every crop, but I have been having SUCH a hard time really spreading out the other bonuses and making sure I do get in at least 1 of every crop. I even read Arenvanya's gardening guide and I just D: If anyone could lend a hand to figuring out how to optimize my garden (self-sufficient + at least 1 of every crop), that'd be fantastic.

[craggy peak]

First off, thanks for bringing that up! Didn't know it was a thing. But, I just did some messing around and came up with this. Got everything minus blueberries. If you're like me and use only star crops then quality shouldn't be an issue

Could also sub 2 of the pepper plots for blueberries

There's also a layout generator with sliders that came up with this

[calm pagoda]

Ooh, thanks for the help! The layout generator is especially useful :D

[craggy peak]

Np! I still like mine better because it's not as messy lol, but the generator is good for ideas anyway

[copper valley]

iirc self water, weed free, and all crops is pretty difficult without fertilizer, but you can get there pretty easily with maxing one effect and just using fertilizer on the rest

[craggy peak]

Oh yeah I usually user fertilizer, I was just doing this mock up without as a baseline to see what I could get away with

[copper valley]

You don't get cotton (which you only need for fabric anyway) and the lone carrot between the bluebs and peppers will need weedblock

or swap the carrot for cotton, but it, the bluebs, and peppers will need weedblock

[craggy peak]

Tbf I don't care much about weed block until I get my accomishment for picking weeds lmao

[copper valley]

wait, the tomato and cabbage on square 1x2 will need weedblock too

[unreal elbow]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRCrPTBkCrRT-PTPOCrCPRBk-RSpSpCrSpSpPT.HP.H-RBBTBBPOR-AAAAAAAAA-BkOBkRCrRPTP-RBkPWRBkPTO-TBkRPTPRWR-BkCoBkCbRCrBkTP

100% Water Retain
100% Harvest Boost
At least 1 of each crop
Minimum Fertilizer Use
Profit Focused (Crops like Bok Choy, Potato, Rice, and Tomato)

[twilit inlet]

this is my apple intense farm.

[craggy peak]

That is very intense lol

[twilit inlet]

I was doing reg worm farms for apple jams because I dont play much and just setting up all the apples for the day was easy. but I see that sucks now with the worm changes. i guess ill sell straight jams now

[prime plover]

here is one i found, its not bad

and this one is just silly

[twilit inlet]

that looks more like my original layout. I had moved the apples to the sides since i only needed 3 bonuses so now if i want to throw blueberries or peppers in the middle i dont have to wait for my trees to finish.

[unreal elbow]

If you check the math its still about equally profitable to put apple jam in the worm farms for money.

You can find the rest of the information here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=19217145

Star Apple Jam in the normal worm bin made 160 gold pre-patch and post-patch it makes 164 which is more! 😄

[twilit inlet]

i figured it would be less because it was outputting quality up instead of harvest boost fert

[unreal elbow]

Yes it just produces more of a lower value fertilizer 🙂

[wary finch]

hehe, weed wacker 🙂

[craggy peak]

Yes lol

Gotta catch all the chievos

[ocean jay]

No, it's actually a nerf because it doesn't give the Harvest Boost fertilizer any more, which is used to produce more apples, and thus more worms/jams.

Really angry with that overt nerf.

[unreal elbow]

Im not happy about the nerf either but I think people were selling both the fertilizer and worms from the bins and not using it, in which case the outputs now sell for more gold. But yea the speedgrow fertilizer i used all the time same with apples and blueberries

[wary finch]

@unreal elbow I updated a former post of mine with the new output to show, that it hasnever been that useful putting jam in worm farms for profit:: --- "worm farming with apple jam was never really profitable, I will give an example - take the one with 10 glow worm farms, that requires 240 jam to run an rl day, a jar can process 19 apples per day, so it requires 13 jars to process 247 apples, 7 of them are not used in worm farms, they generate a value increase of 48 each = 336g, the other 240 generate an increase of 68g each = 16320g, so we have a value increase in total with 23 crafters of 16656g, that is 724.2g per crafter or 30.2g per ingame day and crafter - pickling star carrots is about 35g, so it is worse than pickling carrots."

[ocean jay]

And Quality Boost fertilizer is completely useless to anyone who's hit level 25 farming.
Feels like a slap in the face, honestly.

[copper valley]

its like 2 steps forward, one step back. hooray for new cap on money and renown, but higher level players suffer from gardening update

[unreal elbow]

Worm farming hasnt been a super profitable strat since before patch .169

[ocean jay]

I never used speedgro, peroid. Harvest boost was where it was at, as I only plant apple trees. Apple Jam into the worm bin -> worms + harvest boost = Great!
Now?

[copper valley]

i wish there was a way to profit off of rice and wheat. cant make flour or anything

[ocean jay]

Now, they've chopped people off at the knees, as it were.
Quite the effective farming nerf without actually telling people that it was a nerf.
Much like how they dropped the spawn-rates of the Proudhorn Stag Beetle without telling people.

[unreal elbow]

there was a bug with crops that had both speedgrow and harvest boost applied where it would sort of choose one or the other, instead of patching it they just like effectively removed speedgrow lmao.

[ocean jay]

Not only that, there's still nothing else to spend you Renown on, so it is effectively useless to raise that cap.

Some things were nice, but the underhanded nerfing and face-slapping is just an insult the player-base that they're relying on to keep their company in the black!!!

[wary finch]

I will change nothing in my layout. Before I had apples and berries which had no effect at all, now I have an effect I don't need, so nothing is really changing,and any change to my layout just makes it worse.

[unreal elbow]

i remember the good ol days when worm farms would more than double your profit...

[ocean jay]

There was really no point in changing the Apple Tree and Blueberry Bush crop effect. Felt stupid, honestly.
Like, did the useful people get canned and the useless ones stay on? Who even thought that those nerfs were a good idea?!

[unreal elbow]

They said they wanted to bring all skills onto a more even playing ground in terms of money making but this was just stupid

maybe they could at least give us more farming plots...

[wary finch]

I like the worm farms how they are now, especially with raised fish prices really useful, like starred grilled fairy carp in a normal worm farm 110/110, in a glow worm farm 22/110.

[ocean jay]

They did... sort of? But farming was always supposed to be the real money-maker, if I read things right. Now? Slap!
Like, they nerfed the gem costs, OK, they've done that before, let alone nerfing their drop-rates. But they raised the sell-costs of the Copper and Iron Bars, which really- given the lower price and drop-rates of gems now- went and boosted mining profitability close to what it was!
Like, my Oneness is Mining, through-and-through. So getting profit back is great.

[unreal elbow]

yea i think the better solution that would get less complaints would just be upping the other skills MORE rather than upping some and lowering others. People dont like when things are taken away

[wary finch]

so how is mining for you, I did it with my new character and I have never before had that many star gems - is this maybe a hidden newbie bonus?

[unreal elbow]

in the case of mining if they altered it to get about the same as before, thats fine but for farming this is a straight nerf

[wary finch]

I disagree, because if I change nothing in my layout it is the same as before

[eternal prairie]

I made this, is it alright? I mean to use rice interchangeably with wheat depending on my needs and use the spots with bok choy to plant anything else I might need at the moment

[wary finch]

looks good to me for a water retain layout

[copper valley]

I wouldn't mind paying an optional monthly fee if it meant supporting the devs, having better updates, AND less layoffs.

[ocean jay]

I would emphasized "small" if they would continue with the player-base face-slapping, honestly.
Though, those outfits surely get them some good money, as most are more expensive than what this game would normally be listed for if it wasn't a f2p game.

[wary finch]

well, that we have just one character per account is a hinderance as well, like I have 5, I certainly will not buy cosmetics 5 times.

[copper valley]

i'm super picky so i dont buy outfits much but i always see the new ones on

[wary finch]

having them all on one account with shared cosmetics, I would buy several.

[ocean jay]

Yeah, having accounts with only 1 character was probably to reduce server congestion/data and such. But how much more is taken up by people creating more than 1 account to get around that? Why don't they just implement more character slots?

[wary finch]

exactly, one could eventually even sell those.

but with shared cosmetics

well, it is a beta, so I wanted to see how the new player experience is now, and so far I am thrilled.

[twilit inlet]

Apple jam to reg worms has always been profitable. Especially for those of us who don't get a lot of time to play. I do mostly apples because I play maybe 1-2 hours a day spread across the whole day. The less times I have to harvest the garden the better and the less I have to reload the crafters.

[ocean jay]

Yes, any monetary purchases should always be shared amongst all of an account's characters/saves.

I would drop stuff into the jam makers so that I wouldn't have to cook. Surplus got sold/inserted into the worm bins.

[wary finch]

this is very true Lydia, apples are not really that exciting with a small amount of game time, because they grow so slowly.

they feel even for me far too slow, even I can advance my garden 16-20 times per day.

[twilit inlet]

I don't really get a long stretch of time to play. I just log on to rotate everything and harvest, then check back in a few hours. I try to leave my game on tho to progress each day. I'm a stay at home mom so I'm around to check things but only about 5-10mins at a time

[wary finch]

ofc, you are busy all day long.

[twilit inlet]

But that's why I love this game. I can just leave it on and not worry

[wary finch]

I like it because the toxic type of players won't want to play this, it's peaceful.

[twilit inlet]

There's a reason my gardening is level 50 but my fishing is still like 9 haha

[wary finch]

I never before liked fishing, now it's fine, doing it a lot.

[floral talon]

uhm excuse me im playing this to yaknow to say us toxic folk aint here we are everywhere

[wary finch]

so far you didn't come over as toxic at all, you are fine.

[floral talon]

thats what i want you to think 😈 (is actually just excentric ;P)

is it like even possible to be toxic and trolling in this game

[wary finch]

I personally have nothing against a toxic player who behaves like a peaceful one, so you do you 🙂

[floral talon]

feels so weird oty have poeple being nice for a change

[wary finch]

ok, time to fish some quality fish and refill my worm farms

[copper valley]

There's always a few people who group and steal groves, but otherwise nothing else is toxic-able

[floral talon]

and sometimes when im feeling my most toxic i dont call out pals and flowtrees

[hasty onyx]

i try to but if i don’t have flare arrows i’m not bothering with pal 😭

i don’t wanna have to be like “top left north west part of e6 on top of a mountain.. no not that mountain… the other mountain”

[west lichen]

Just me, or the watering can has a weird digital sounds along with the watering plants sound? Sounds so weird ><

[clear kindle]

so, it's still profitable to put apple jam into the reg worm farm by your calculations?

[misty iron]

I keep getting harvestboost fert on my worm bin with sernuk meat when it used to give me quality boost. What do I use to get quality boost?

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=19217145

updated fertilizer for the update

[misty iron]

Ahhh, I see. Basically sweets, thanks for the info

[unreal elbow]

for *apple jam it is more profitable (by like 4 gold) for normal apple jam it is the same

[clear kindle]

okay, thanks for the clarification. so, i can still throw all my preserves in the farm and profit... and even more so since i won't have to dig into the harvest boosts that i use to get

[elder tapir]

I used to get speedy gro when I fed blueberries to the glow worm farm, but now it just gives me a bunch of quality up. What the heck

[uncut gull]

Has anyone figured out the best thing to put in worm/ glow worm farms now?
I don't need quality up, all my crops are exclusively Star grade

Did the prices of seeds change as well? I thought you lost money with apple jam vs seeds. But 10 star apples (960 gold) turn into star apples seeds (1,050) But star apple jam worth 144 so 10 star apples turned into 10 jams is 1,440 which is 390 than the seeds

[clear kindle]

no, i think the prices for the seeds remained the same, it was always the better to put apples into preserves over seeds, and then put the jams into worm farms for a bit more money

also, my comment above that has the link contains the new worm fertilizer numbers

[uncut gull]

But they changed the worm farms, sweet or dessert is quality which is less money but ty for the new numbers!

I swear every star crop doubles in the Preserve jar, do people just have a room full for profit?

[clear kindle]

thank @unreal elbow they did all of the dragon's good work

[unreal elbow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=19217145

link to the document 🙂

[clear kindle]

i have 6 preserve jars for 5 harvest boosted apple trees (and now blueberries). it's not optimal, but i don't need gold for anything at the moment, and i prefer aesthetic over profit

[uncut gull]

Thank you!

[unreal elbow]

i reopened up the pre-patch sheet if anyone wanted to see the exact changes for everything, its labelled "OUTDATED SHEET"

[uncut gull]

I want the gazebo bad so I need many monies 😭 but you're right putting jam into the worm farm to sell the worms and fertilizer is actually a profit, I thought it would be less

[unreal elbow]

for the most part there is more gold value for the worm bins, but not by much, maybe like <10 gold lol

[uncut gull]

Since I do need like 150,000 for three plots (what am I even going to do with them! 🤦‍♀️) I'm not sure if the time it takes is worth it

[unreal elbow]

Oh no you only get a handful more gold for using the worm bins, theyre not super profitable unfortunately. They used to be way back when

But at least now people can see what inputs give what outputs and how much, more helpful if you want the wormies

[rancid comet]

I've never been great at gardening. Are preserves the most profitable item to work toward now?

[unreal elbow]

I think it depends, i usually go for both seeds and preserve jars

[clear kindle]

depends on the crop, some seeds are better

[unreal elbow]

Bok Choy is good but it takes longer to process so its best passive money

[rancid comet]

I was selling tomato seeds but I noticed now you lose money doing that That's a very helpful chart though, thanks!!

[unreal elbow]

I usually do everything as seeds except for blueberries and apples that go in the preserve jars and occasionally tomatoes, potatoes, or corn as well

Here's the link to my farm

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRCrPTBkCrRT-PTPOCrCPRBk-RSpSpCrSpSpPT.HP.H-RBBTBBPOR-AAAAAAAAA-BkOBkRCrRPTP-RBkPWRBkPTO-TBkRPTPRWR-BkCoBkCbRCrBkTP

100% Water Retain
100% Harvest Boost
At least 1 of each crop
Minimum Fertilizer Use
Profit Focused (Crops like Bok Choy, Potato, Rice, and Tomato)

[uncut gull]

So I shouldn't sell them just as crops x.x

[clear kindle]

it's usually very ill advised. you will always get more from processing the crops whether that be seeds or preserves. i would say if you are a few gold short of getting that one room or something and you just want to get it done and over with to start building, go ahead, but i wouldn't just sell crops to sell if that makes sense

i know i have had massive overstock of apples in storage at times when i was playing full force (basically from the time i got up to when i went to bed while i was unemployed, even pulled a few 24 hour runs) so i had nearly 400 apples just sitting in storage, most went to making petit fives (my focus food) but a lot i just sold to clear the storage which is not good

[uncut gull]

I see, it just seems like you have to spend more and more to get crafting licenses in order to make more lol.

[clear kindle]

but, in turn, they produce more money and eventually pay for themselves

[uncut gull]

True, like how many seeds makers and preserve jars do people have 😳

[clear kindle]

depends on how people play. like i said, i have 6 preserve jars, and 4 seeders, though i will probably get rid of two of them for two more preserve jars. but in turn, i only harvest my apples and future blueberries as of this update. it's not enough to "properly" cover the harvests though. others have nothing but preserve jars going and will just put down other crafters as needed

[unreal elbow]

cap is 30
I keep at least 20 seed makers going, usually around 25. ~4 preserve jars and then i swap out a smelter, loom, woodcutter etc

[twilit inlet]

I do 3 seed makers, 10 preserve jars, 10 reg worm farms, 2 glow worm farms, 1 smelter, 1 saw and 1 loom, 1 glass maker

Usually everything is full all the time. Mostly star apple production

[clear kindle]

i use my crafters as storage, so i have enough to cover each item that requires processing (3 sawmills, 7 smelters, 2 glass, 3 looms, currently 6 preserve, 4 seeders, 1 glow and 4 worm)

this way if i need/want to craft i also don't have to stop one process to do another one and wait for the new one to make what i want to continue, everything gets processed, stored and i just take out what i need and the process starts again

[twilit inlet]

I don't do enough grinding of those items to ever hit the storage limit 😂

Usually my saw and smelter are off. I mostly sit on my plot all day

[clear kindle]

i'm currently under 5000 storage limit of 10,000. it's just a convenience for me to have everything in an area

[clear kindle]

most of the time same with my sawmills and smelters

[twilit inlet]

I'm kinda blown away when people say 10000 storage limit isn't enough. Maybe it's because I use and sell everything I get and furniture doesn't count towards the limit.

Palia, hoarders edition (now other mmos, like GW2, I'm a terrible hoarder lol)

[uncut gull]

Same 😅 but honestly in palia I'm only at like 7k because I'm constantly making furniture and stuff

In an mmo I kept extra event tokens and such just in case they had the event again. And sometimes they did! But I guess they realized 10 years worth of events and people hoarding was getting ridiculous and they converted them into one thing, a past event token that can still be turned into goodies. Which is better than just poof.

But man everyone has crazy set ups and I understand what they meant when they needed a plot for crafters alone 😅

I've cruised along pretty well they way I've played which is nice too! The three plots just seems like a big hurdle

[unreal tangle]

Does having a different plot loaded pause the progression of your crops?

[wary finch]

I said it over and over and over again - grilled quality fish - like fairy carp, if you are lucky and the grilled fish starred it's 1080g and creates 110/110 in a normal worm farm, and 22/110 in a glow worm farm.

[floral talon]

i hreby dub lys the worm fishing expert

[twilit inlet]

But that means you have to fish

[wary finch]

I'll never run out of worms, I cannot fish that fast as they are created.

[floral talon]

how many fireplaces/bbqs do you run to convert the fish into grilled fish?

[wary finch]

yes ofc, when I fish like 2 rounds, I get for example 6 mirror carp, 2-4 fairy carps and a lot of other stuff, which sells for like 3k

only 1

[twilit inlet]

I don't have time or the patience for fishing so ima continue on apple jammin lol

[wary finch]

that's fine as well

@floral talonthe reason why I run just 1 camp fire is, I don't want to mix normal fish with quality fish by accident, this would ruin the outcome.

best time for those 2 rounds at the plot's pond is early evening and a bit before midnight, when there is moonlight on the pond, otherwise it would be too dark to see what has taken the bait.

or during the day, this is possible as well ofc

early evening when the shadow appears on the right side, it's fairy carp time, I catch often several in a row at that time. And right after midnight a lot of mirror carps take the bait.

both fish like to jump, but it is fairly easy to catch them again.

with glow worm fishing it will be even more awesome, but my new character has just 350 focus, and those quality fish take a lot of focus when you catch them.

So I cannot even run pan-fried dumpling with 375 focus, I have too less to glow worm fish yet.

my other characters do that with grilled giant goldfish, awesome results.

[stable ginkgo]

Yeah, I’m constantly at 10,000 storage and even have pretty much ever crafter slot full too since I don’t have enough. But I do hoard pretty much everything in case I need it in the future.

[frail bough]

how do you get more storage I

can only get 8 chests

[stable ginkgo]

Max is 8 chests yes, but you can buy upgrades from Tish’s store.

[frail bough]

OMG??

now I never knew abt that

[orchid fiber]

does someone have a 100% water retain with a high growth boost? preferably with 2 or 3 apple trees

[orchid fiber]

AND they just lowered the prices for the recipes by a lot with this new update

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPTAAAAAA-PTABBABBA-AATAAPAAT-AAABBPBBT-AAAAAAAAA-TBBPBBAAA-TAAPAATAA-ABBABBATP-AAAAAATPT

now that apples and blueberries give harvest boost (and apple jam no longer giving harvest boost fertilizer) i went with this layout, but with weed prevention and water retain fertilizers on all plants (and then realized that since i only harvest apples - and now the blueberries - it was a waste since the grown bok choy and onions don't need to be watered anymore)

i guess, i can harvest the current crops and replant and sell the excess water fert though...

[orchid fiber]

do you put any ferts on them?

[clear kindle]

just water retain since where i have the tomatoes and potatoes in the link that i gave are all onions and bok choy

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HpO.HpBk.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-O.HpBk.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.Hp-A.HpA.HpBk.HpA.HpA.HpO.HpA.HpA.HpBk.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpO.HpB.HpB.HpBk.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-Bk.HpB.HpB.HpO.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-Bk.HpA.HpA.HpO.HpA.HpA.HpBk.HpA.HpA.Hp-A.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpBk.HpBk.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpBk.HpO.HpBk.Hp

that's what i really am running

for 40 gold you get 20 water retain (or weed prevention) fert from zeki

and since i don't harvest the entire garden i can leave the onions and bok choy which when grown no longer need the water prevention so i can focus solely on the apples and blueberries

[wary finch]

that's a really smart layout, I like it

[clear kindle]

hopefully it will work well. i know the way that i harvest and how many preserve jars won't really be enough to deal with all of it, but i'm also not playing as much as i use to so the crops will be coming in a bit slower than what i use to have. luckily i'm off work for the next two days so may be able to get a bit of it going

[main kestrel]

does anyone have a map for a farm that makes lots of money, i just walked into zekis shop and pressed F at the wrong time and bought the last upgrade for the backpack and now im poor

[wary finch]

5 trees 4 bushes, I run 25 jars, 2 seeders, 3 glow worm farms, this does it really well with up to 20 ticks per rl day

25 because when I reseed apples, I run 20 apples through the seeders and the other 100 are processed wihin 5hrs, and there is a spare hour left, where I can run berries or something else. When my trees regrow, there are 7 spare hours for berries and other stuff, works really well this way

25 give as well the option of 9 for berries, 16 for apples, so this is very pleasant.

[rapid kelp]

20 ticks = 20 real life hours?

[wary finch]

up to 20 times advancing my garden, most of the time it's 16-18 though

[rapid kelp]

ty ^.^

[wary finch]

it sounds crazier than it actually is, it is 8-10 times logging in, doing twice garden work, reconfiguring the crafters, fish a little to fill the glow worm farms with quality grilled fish and then logout again

[rapid kelp]

but it doesn't add up? 1 tick happens every real life hour. If you log out, then you get one more tick of growth for your crops (I am assuming that is you get the tick only if at least one real life hour passes since you logged out). Are you logging in like 15 minutes before 6AM hits in Palia and log out after so it doubles the tick?

[wary finch]

no, it works, I login at 3am, do the garden work from the day before, wait for 6am, do the gardenm work again and then I don't have to return on this in game day again

it works, because I did the work at 6am, the growth stopps the other day at 6am, yes, but because I login again and do the garden work for that day, before the next tick happens, it is no loss.

[rapid kelp]

i'll give it a try, thank you

[wary finch]

let's say you need 3 ingame hours to do all the gardening work, then login at 3am, do the work, and after 6am again, then you can stay away from 9am on that day until 3am the day after tomorrow. 42 ingame hours freedom without losing a tick.

the garden advances at 6am, whatever it's condition is in between doesn't matter.

[rapid kelp]

I thought they have other prerequisites, but this is nice

thank you for the info ❤️ I'll give it a go with sylvablade's plan, with apples and berries and see how it goes 😄

[wary finch]

with water retain it might be enough to just login before 6am the day after tomorrow and stay logged in past 6am and then logout again - could be matter of just minutes, if nothing is to harvest.

Sen did it this way, most of the time not ingame.

[clear kindle]

probably, weed crops will prevent weeds from developing, and the water retain will keep the garden watered until the crops are harvested. the only time you would have to re-water is if you don't harvest the crops or when you replant

[wary finch]

if you don't harvest, they can stay dry, they will still give the boost.

[clear kindle]

the weed crops yes, but if you forget to check the apples or blueberries and the crop stays on for a tick, they also dry up, is what i meant

[wary finch]

someone even said, that apples can disappear from the tree, if it is not harvested for some time.

[rapid kelp]

wasn't that related to the weed bug you mentioned? with reverse growing if all weeds spawn on the same tree?

[clear kindle]

i haven't encountered that bug, but i did try the weed plots and my apples never grew, when i took away the weeds they grew again

[wary finch]

ah, with this method I mentioned there is to know, that in this case the garden can have 9 weeds, not just 8,

I always count the weeds in my garden, and I often found 9 in this case, not just 8.

[rapid kelp]

ah, I misunderstood then, sorry

[wary finch]

any attempt of mine with lazy gardens come with a loss of about 14-21k per rl day, not running a lazy garden.

but this is with processing all the crops, not leaving some unharvested or non-processed.

well, not all the rice and wheat though, with 2 seeders this is nearly impossible.

especially when I just get 112 instead of 120 apples, then I run 40 through the seeders and the other 72 go in 24 jars, 3 apples each, processed in less than 4hrs, but the seeders are blocked for 5hrs in this case.

24 or 25 jars are really convenient.

or when I want to process excess carrots, and pickle 50 of them per hour.

it's 25x35g value increase, so why not, if there is spare time - 875g instead to leave them empty.

[lofty sandal]

Thank you for the hard work and sharing. I much appreciate it!

[clear coral]

are jars just the best way to go now? worm farms feel moot and i'm trying to decide if i should just make more jars

[velvet nacelle]

I plan to go back to jars of tomatoes, corn and rice seeds

[wary finch]

with apples jars are the better option and then selling the jam. This is a value increase of 19x48g per rl day. you just need to decide how many you can keep busy all the time.

and if you want glow worms, feed them high quality grilled fish, then you need just 1 or 2 glow worm farms - takes about half an hour to fish enough quality fish for 4hrs, but you don't have to run them all the time, because the output is insane with high quality grilled fish.

the latter was not correct, that were normal worms, glow worms would be 22 per hour, so in 4hrs 88 glow worms, normal worms would be 110 per hour - starred grilled giant goldfish has a value of 1080g

[rustic vigil]

Fertilizer question: With Fertilizer like say "HarvestBoost Fertilizer" (which increases the number of crops you gain), do you need to put it on your crops from the moment you plant the seeds and every day till harvest or just once the day before they are ready to harvest? I.E: Day 4 of 5.

[wary finch]

every day in between adds a chance, with 4 days, you have to add it 4 times to get 100% chance of the boost working, if you just do it right before harvest, your chance would be just 25%

but you can put down this amount after you laid down the seed, it stacks on the tile up to 99 times

it is a 50% increase of the output, so it is signifikant, but you can get this boost as well planting wheat, rice or corn nearby and now as well blueberries or apple trees.

Nearby as in adjacent in NESW direction, not diagonal

[rustic vigil]

ok thank you~

[covert kettle]

@wary finch I just made this from two star quality giant goldfish. Dare me to put it in a glow worm farm?

[cerulean gorge]

Lil question! How do i get this outfit?

[vernal bluff]

It was for connecting ur account to switch, but I’m not sure it still works

[cerulean gorge]

Ah no:/ I connected my switch to my pc a while ago and don't have it

[vernal bluff]

It was the other way round I think, but yeah, I believe it was time limited

[cerulean gorge]

Well thanks (and just realized it's not in the right channel, sorry for that!)

[wary finch]

@covert kettleah, good to see the new value, 3660, it should create an outcome of 73 glow worms and 368 fertilizer. Quite insane with the new prices, mine before the patch was just 1320g (made from 2 regular giant gold fish where the grilled fish got starred), I play currently with my new character to experience how the changes are for new players, haven't tested with the others yet after the patch.

would be interesting to know, how long it took you to catch 2 giant goldfish, my best time has been in the early evening right after 6pm in my pond - many cloudfish and a couple of giant goldfish whilst it was getting really dark, hard to see the fish in the water.

[wary finch]

my argument has been that this is as well suitable for new players, because it creates good results as well with quality no bait fish (cantankerous koi) or normal worm bait fish (mirror carp, fairy carp) and creates a good amount of worms to get fishing skills up. My new character just does normal worm fishing for now, she has now 500 focus, which is still a little low with those new higher prices of quality glow worm bait fish. I guess I'll start that once she'll have 600 focus.

I wonder if s6 has realized that putting your fish into a normal worm farm would overflow those 6 available trays for the output.

[wary finch]

pretty cool, that Badruu gives now a blueberry seed at level 8 for free - this will help a lot of newbies.

[covert kettle]

Yeah im stoked to learn everything like its new again. Looks like fishing has a bright future.

[pastel tinsel]

i’m a lil salty about the free apple seed because it took me 3 weeks of weekly missions to get

[wary finch]

yeah, that is what I was trying to say, but I guess people underestimate the effects or think that it takes overly long to fish quality fish, but it isn't a big issue, because you need just a few worm farms instead of many.

[wary finch]

well, one of my characters got one from zeki's machine, salty about that as well?- I tend to by happy for those, who have it now easier than we had it. It will benefit the game overall, if there aren't that high hurdles to take like in your case. My first character did not have apples before level 27, it can as well turn out like this.

[pastel tinsel]

i got one from zeki machine too, i just wish the gardening rewards were retroactive like furniture. we worked hard for it too : )

[wary finch]

My new character doesn't repeat some mistakes I made 4 times - I will go for apples much later than ever before and focus for now on cotton, spicy peppers and blueberries. It's basically a balanced garden with everything but apples - well, I'm building it currently, that is.

yeah, mock, but that is in all games like this - developers tend to make it easier over time and more convenient, we are kind of early adopters and had to put in the work.

Or think in real life, those who acquire new things first, have to pay more and deal with more quirks and hassle. Once it is established, it gets more affordable and in the end it will be quite cheap. There is no compensation for being an early adopter, that is just a fact of life in general.

At least this is a beta, where there are no swipes anymore, those who came before us, had to deal with having to start over again.

Wouldn't bother me actually, I like the building up from scratch.

@pastel tinselor see it like this - do you really need retroactively a non-starred blueberry and apple seed, when you have plenty of apples and berries every few hours in star quality from your garden?

[blissful mason]

my garden is showing the boosts of the plants all messed up (like saying the plant is getting harvest boost even tho it shouldnt cuz theres nothing around it to boost it). is this a known bug from the update?

[unreal elbow]

is it next to a blueberry bush or apple tree

[blissful mason]

yes?

:o

[wary finch]

or eventually there was still some fertilizer left in the ground

[unreal elbow]

apples and blueberries are now harvest boost, not speedgrow

[blissful mason]

wow. thats pretty crazy. thanks for the info, mustve missed it in patchnotes

[wary finch]

worm farms are quite different as well, have a look at those as well, if you haven't yet

[unreal elbow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=sharing

[topaz leaf]

Hii, I have 11 soils on my plot and I can't buy more than that, does anyone know what I should do to get more? I have lvl 14 Gardening

[craggy wing]

Since they made sweet crops give us the worst fertilizer is there a new meta on crops? Like Bok Choi or something when it comes to turning crops to fert and selling the fert/worms?

[clear kindle]

you should only have 9 soils because that is the max you can have

if you have 11 then it's a bug and i wouldn't use them

[topaz leaf]

And there's no way to get more?

[floral talon]

how did u even get 11 wth the rest of us only having 9

[clear kindle]

nope, why it says that purchase limit is maxed

[topaz leaf]

I miscounted, my apologies haha!

[frail escarp]

noooooo, we would've asked you to retrace your steps

[clear kindle]

i would not have used them for all the gold in palia

[topaz leaf]

Hahaha I would've done the same to get more!

[topaz leaf]

Why?

[clear kindle]

because they would have been bugs and using bugs to get unfair advantage will get a ding on your account. there was a cooking bug a few patches ago where you could make a ton of a food using the workstation and still only use the ingredients that it would take to make it normal. s6 came back and turned all of the food into ruined food and sent a letter stating that it was against tos

and yes, i speak from experience on that

[frail escarp]

True, having 11 plots would count as a traceable bug exploit

[wary finch]

every game tos has this rule, it is forbidden to exploit something which is obvicously a bug.

[topaz leaf]

Ohh I see, that's pretty sad after all the effort, I'm not gonna lie, the cooking does take some time and it's pretty annoying :D I hardly make any

[wary finch]

matter of practice, @topaz leaf, after having cooked something dozens of times it is nearly automatic

[topaz leaf]

Yeah but it gets me all dizzy

Cause I have to get to the stove then mixing station etc, keep running around

[wary finch]

then eat pickled stuff or jam

[topaz leaf]

Good advice, thank you!

[wary finch]

that is what I do with excess carrots, onions and corn, pickle it and use them to patch smaller amounts of focus. starred carrots are pickled just 105 focus, but they are extremely fast to pickle.

[wary finch]

nice, like I said it would be.

but it is just a conversion, your fish was worth 3660, and the outcome is just 3665 - so no profit in this.

but a fast way to get glow worms with just 1 glow worm farm.

[clever cove]

wait how you did that? 😮

sorry im new to the game, is there a super efficent way getting glow worms?

[wary finch]

that is starred grillfish from 2 starred giant goldfishes in a glow worm farm.

grilled fish made solely from the better fishes as feed for the worms.

[clever cove]

lol its super hard to get giand goldfish isnt it?

but thanks ill keep that in mind, im using tomatos atm

[wary finch]

no, takes maybe 30 minutes to catch 2-4 and a lot of cloudfish as well, which are good to use as well.

[clever cove]

oh i never got one 😦

fishing level effect it i assume?

[wary finch]

glow worm bait in a pond at the right time

that fish is wild, jumping around like crazy, but fun to catch.

[clever cove]

sounds like it

[wary finch]

don't attempt this without at least a fine rod.

[clever cove]

another one, how to you plant spicy pepper? wont let me on 1 squere

[wary finch]

it takes 4 spaces, 2x2

[clever cove]

i have the best one cant remember the name

[lofty sandal]

Took me weeks to get a gold fish.

[clever cove]

fishing 12

[wary finch]

exquisite

[clever cove]

oh, is there a way to pull out exsiting crops? or need to wait for them to grow?

[wary finch]

use your hoe with the right mouse button or on switch with x

[clever cove]

ty

[wary finch]

it is especially active at a time where you are most likely at a grove - between midnight and 6am.

pretty much the same as with fairy carp with normal worms, when the shadow is nearly covering the pond again is the right time.

or if you are on the left side of your pond, when the shadow is creeping into this section, a lot of cloudfish as well at that time.

but it is hard to see the fish, with the shadow over the pond at dawn.

[clever cove]

@wary finch you are an absoulte legend

got 2 cloud fish, 1 gold fish and sushi recepie

[warm crystal]

hello, so i want to move my soil to my new plot but says it has to be untiled. how to i do that, nothing is growing in it.

[floral talon]

u wait till its equal brown

[clear kindle]

no way to untill a plot, just have to wait (48 hours from the time it was tilled). so, might as well put on some fast growing crops (bok choy, rice, wheat, corn) until then

[warm crystal]

is that 48 hours in real life?

[clear kindle]

yep

[warm crystal]

sucks ty the help 🙂

[clear kindle]

https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Gardening

[subtle ocean]

Hi I just realized I have been planting flow trees and watering them and I've got a lot of pine/oak flow trees but I did get a flow juniper treee once and it hasn't given me the drop! and I've had it for just as long as the others, it's fully watered and says mature, do I just have to wait for rnjesus with galder statue again? or am I missing something?

[floral talon]

personally i could water trees many times after they were mature (or i may completely misremember everything)

[subtle ocean]

I will attempt this and keep updating

[wary finch]

very nice - I fished from midnight to 6am with normal worms, about 50 fish, 8 mirror carps, 2 fairy carps - this is feed for 5hrs for my worms (normal worm farm), sold the rest for about 2.5k - cannot complain.

I am currently really considering, if I want more than 1 or 2 blueberry bushes. When I compare the outcome of a bush vs. 4 corn plants, corn makes more money and is less cumbersome to work with. And preserving takes roughly the same amount of time.

[gaunt compass]

is there a good plant to have for xp or do all crops give the same?

[wary finch]

ups 2nd paragraph was for everyone to consider

afaik Valsh the average xp gain per slot and time unit is about the same with every crop.

[floral talon]

feels like u only need some blues for cake making and blueberry pie anyways

so keep like 1-2 blueberry bushes tops if u make cakes with it otherwise go apples

[wary finch]

yeah, that is what I was thinking as well, I don't need many blueberries

[orchid fiber]

whats the best thing to plant as a noobie for gold?

[floral talon]

@wary finch wouldnt ur fishing fishfood strat work better with fishtacos then grilled fish although slower on the worming

just from looking at base gold values and amounts u get per fish inputted

[wary finch]

foodstuff is worth nothing compared to grilled fish, this is due to the nerf of food prices and the cake party habit. grilled fish is not effected by such a nerf.

[floral talon]

oh so uget less fish value bonus so less from more expensive fish then?

[wary finch]

I don't know what numbers you have, that grilled fish I do in my worm farm currently costs 390g each, caught with normal worms. And it takes me just about 30 minutes to generate the feed for 4 to 5hrs.

[floral talon]

so fish tacos worth over 50% more per fish

cuz 2 fish > grilled fish base value 60
1fish >fishtacos 35x3 base value

but im probably making some massive mistake here right

[wary finch]

yes, worm farming is based on 4 formula - glow worms = foodstuff/50; harvest boost fertilizer = 2+foondstuff/10; same for normal worms; and quality upgrade fertlizer = 6+foodstuff/4;

so you get a lot of output just if you put in really expensive foodstuff

[rapid kelp]

I tried today to place grilled fish and I got only 10g more per grilled fish in worm farm/glow worm farm than if I sold it directly (300g fish -> 310g worth of fertilizer + worms, 600g->610g). Is that correct? Does gardening/cooking/fishing level affect in any way this output?

[wary finch]

I'm not dealing with foodstuff cheaper than 255g, that can even be achieved without using any bait at all. But for glow worm farming I want foodstuff in the 4-figure range.

yes, it is more of a conversion, not a profit making thing, @rapid kelp

like @covert kettletested it with starred grilled fish made from 2 starred giant goldfish - value 3660 - insane output, but the output is just worth 3665g - so it is a conversion, not a profit making thing.

[rapid kelp]

Thanks. I am a little lost because I used to put apple jams to get harvest boost fertilizer and worms, and now I jave to figure out something else, but manually grilling the fish is taking a lot of time that I don't have. Buying fertilizer is out of discussion because I used to make money from mining and gardening and mining sucks now

[floral talon]

thats 73 worms nice

[wary finch]

it is "getting worms and fertilizer fast" not "making a lot of profit" with it.

[rapid kelp]

For regular worms, definitely works, but glow worms seem very low in comparison?

[floral talon]

im starting to think lys just really REALLY loves to keep on fishing with glow worms

[rapid kelp]

You did some calculations and you said something like 100 regular worms vs 20ish glow ones for same input fish

[wary finch]

that is by intention this way, but s6 is actually not using different formula than before, they just changed the fertilizer.

[rapid kelp]

If i remember correctly

[wary finch]

value/50 compared to 2+value/10 is about 1:5

[rapid kelp]

Is there any other food/pickled that I can use to get glow worm + harvest boost fertilizer that is not grilled fish? Is there a guide on this somewhere that I can research? I need passive creation of things, like we used to have with the apple jams

[wary finch]

there is a table - bella posted it before, let me look

[rapid kelp]

Ah, I'll check for it tomorrow, don't bother for me atm

Thank you for the info ❤️ you're always very helpful

[wary finch]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=19217145

this one it is

[rapid kelp]

MVP 🙂 thank you! I'll research tomorrow, I'm supposed to wake up in 6 hours

[wary finch]

have a good rest and sweet dreams

[rapid kelp]

Good night 🙂 you as well!

[wary finch]

none of my other characters has liked fishing until I figured out, that grilled fish is the way to go in wom farms - since then I do it a lot.

that s6 raised fish prices significantly, is another reason ofc, but I did this grilled fish thing before already, it is now just even better.

[unreal wedge]

I am struggling to produce enough harvest boost fast enough since they nerfed the worm farms. Anything "sweet" produces quality boost. Anyone figure out what would be good to use now?

[lofty sandal]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[unreal wedge]

Omgosh tyssm!

[floral talon]

@wary finch someone needs your guidance

[covert kettle]

Grilled fish, the answer is always grilled fish lol.

[covert kettle]

What does the secondary input column mean?

[lofty sandal]

@unreal elbow

Bella is better to answer that than I

[unreal elbow]

It's for sweets! These items will produce quality boost instead of harvest boost like the majority of items 🙂

[covert kettle]

Awesome ty

[covert kettle]

Just fyi, but grilled fish can have wildly different outcomes based on ingredients and thier quality also, like celebration cakes.

[unreal elbow]

Yes I know, I left a star next to all recipes that can vary based on ingredients (meats, fish, mushrooms, vegetables, etc)

[unreal wedge]

So black bass is the way to go?

[covert kettle]

Im not sure what determines the yield from fish. So far Ive seen that the gold value increses by 50% if the grilled result is star quality. The worm yield is still being looked at i think, but id love to know too.

[unreal wedge]

I see, I see

Well @unreal elbow You deserve a lot for making the spreadsheet. Do you have a ko fi lol? I'd definitely buy you a "coffee " hehe

[covert kettle]

This was the closest ive seen so far from @wary finch
"yes, worm farming is based on 4 formula - glow worms = foodstuff/50; harvest boost fertilizer = 2+foondstuff/10; same for normal worms; and quality upgrade fertlizer = 6+foodstuff/4;"

[unreal elbow]

No this was just the one I tested, you can expect a fairly equal gold value in ouputs to the value of the grilled fish you put in. Worm farms are not a very profit increasing strategy but if youre looking for a lot of worms/fertilizer fast than a high value grilled fish is probably the best route!

[unreal elbow]

i dont think i even know what a ko fi is lmao. I appreciate it but im just glad it can be helpful for our palia community 🙂

[unreal wedge]

I see ty. Lmao I was about to head to barahi coast to fish for some black sea bass haha. I am not really interested in gold profit, I just need my harvest boost output boosted!

[covert kettle]

Just as a heads up, but picture a yielded picture b.

[unreal wedge]

Oh wow! Yay!

[unreal elbow]

yes that pretty much confirms it

[covert kettle]

Picture A was made from two star quality giant goldfish

[drifting vine]

Just returning to the game after like 7 months and looking for any garden layout recommendations that can passively generate income. I don't mind having to process the crops in any way, just not sure what to grow now with sooo many new crops.

[unreal elbow]

hey timid long time no see

[covert kettle]

Thats what Lys posted earlier

[drifting vine]

long timeee haha

[unreal elbow]

this is my current layout
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRCrPTBkCrRT-PTPOCrCPRBk-RSpSpCrSpSpPT.HP.H-RBBTBBPOR-AAAAAAAAA-BkOBkRCrRPTP-RBkPWRBkPTO-TBkRPTPRWR-BkCoBkCbRCrBkTP

100% Water Retain
100% Harvest Boost
At least 1 of each crop
Minimum Fertilizer Use
Profit Focused (Crops like Bok Choy, Potato, Rice, and Tomato)

[covert kettle]

Nice

Im giving this a shot atm
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.W-A.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.W-A.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.Hp-Cr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.W-A.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.W-A.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.Hp-Cr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.W-A.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.W-A.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.HpA.WA.WCr.Hp

Turning all the apples into jam for sale directly. And seeds as needed.

[drifting vine]

this is essentially what my old layout was. I logged in with 0 storage space and realized I had 2500 star apple jams in storage.. so been selling those off slowly haha

[covert kettle]

I used to do this too
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111111111_CROPS-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-P.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.W-A.WR.HpA.WA.WR.HpA.WA.WR.HpA.W-A.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.Hp-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W-R.HpA.WA.WR.HpA.WA.WR.HpA.WA.W-A.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.WA.WP.HpA.W-A.WA.WR.HpA.WA.WR.HpA.WA.WR.Hp-A.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.WA.W

If you want one long line, also works wrapped around a pavilion.

7 apple trees vs 6

[nocturne stirrup]

Can anyone spare any apple seeds

[wary finch]

in a normal worm farm this would overflow the output trays, requiring 8 trays for 368 worms and 368 fertilizer - guess s6 didn't expect anyone to do that 🙂

[wary finch]

the fish you need is directly in your pond at home and plenty of - with normal worms go for mirror carp or fairy carp, with glow worms for cloudfish and giant goldfish, A good time to fish for those is midnight to 6am. When you grill them, select the fish, not just use "any fish", because grilling combines the value of 2 fish - if you have selected the fish, it will combine 2 of those, otherwise just randomly choose 2 fish, which might be much less effective in your worm farm. Even a newbie can make use of that, going with no bait at all for cantankerous koi.

[covert kettle]

I was really hoping the house pond would become useful, tyvm!

[unreal wedge]

Tysm for the fantastic info and tips!!

Ty everyone for all the help! It is so very much appreciated 💙

[wary finch]

@unreal wedgeif fishing after midnight is not your thing, early evening is a good time as well. When you are at the pond, observe the shadow (either from ceasing sunlight or ceasing moonlight), it comes from the right hand side shadowing the pond. When the shadow appears on the right hand side just a little bit, you can start fishing, that is kind of an indicator. The really pricy fish will take the bait when the pond is nearly covered by this shadow, but then it is hard to see the fish in the water.

btw fishing with glow worms in your pond will provide the sushi recipe, which enhances your fishing skills. It requires dari clover though, but it can be bought at zeki's.

[novel grove]

Hey guys, i can't put my question here, this tchat delete my message ?

[frail escarp]

Your message might have a censored word/emote, or if you're posting a marked-down I think those gets blocked too

[novel grove]

hmm thats really hard to tell, ill check it out, thanks

Hey guys, thats probably a (...) question but, am i the only one (...) by those changes ? I mean speedgrow never again ? apple trees ans berries also deleted about that even if we already had lots of harvest boost crops ? i really dont get the point about this patch thing ..

well thats a really rude censor, thanks again

[wary finch]

my 2 cents about that, @novel grove, s6 has no idea how to fix the speed boost when it interacts with harvest boost and to go around this, they simply set apples and blueberries to harvest boost instead. speedygrow fertilizer seems to work, but the boost from blueberries and apples never did.

[novel grove]

well it worked to me, i had berries and peppers side by side with apples and i was clearly able to see the difference, but i can be wrong i guess, im not a pro. hope they'll fix this asap anyway, thats annoying to fix a bug with such a mess. thanks a lot for your explanation, always better to be less confused

[wary finch]

it never worked, when I had a peppers/blueberry garden, rice would have to be harvestable every other day, it never did, for example.

and my 4 berries, 5 apple tree garden never had less than 30 days for an apple tree cycle.

it should be 20 days, but it simply never worked.

it always worried me, that the top tier crop had failing boosts, now it has at least harvest boost.

[novel grove]

well i already had harvest boost on it, and no point for fertilizer now, unless they able us to have speedgrow away then guild shop ... but i can understand you on this

[wary finch]

but if you change nothing it should be like before - because berries and apple trees did nothing before.

[novel grove]

yeah get it now, thanks again for your time/answer (love this community)

[hollow mauve]

Ok, so the only way to get speedygro now is to buy it using weekly medals?

[novel grove]

Yeah, x50 for x10 medals

[hollow mauve]

I really hate this change tbh. I was doing just fine getting the stuff with my worms.

[wary finch]

and now you can get a pretty useless fertilizer, once you are past level 25, that's progress lol

and in the end a glow worm costs you 25g, there is no profit in it anymore

but you can acquire those worms much faster than ever before

[gray ridge]

What is the profit from these worm farms that people are doing? I just get worms and fertilizer out of it, am I missing something?

[wary finch]

the result if you would sell both compared to what the foodstuff was worth you put in your worm farm

normal worm farm might still be profitable, glow worm farm isn't anymore -see the example from @covert kettle, who put a starred grilled fish made from 2 star giant goldfish (value 3660g) in his glow worm farm, result 73 glow worms 368 fertlizer, but those are worth 3665g, so there is no profit in it, it is just that you can get worms pretty quickly this way.

[gray ridge]

ohhhh, I see!! So you sell the worms and fertilizer that come out of it for the profit and the item used is what matters?

[wary finch]

yeah, the higher the foodstuff price is, the better the outcome, Grilled quality fish is best for that, because they can have a pretty high value, like this example showed.

[gray ridge]

thank you for the explanation!

[clear kindle]

just looking at the new fert document, and not really doing any math than what is shown, still looks like regular worm farm is profitable for certain items

[wary finch]

yeah, but glow worm farm isn't, that is what I said - it is basically just a conversion of foodstuff into worms and fertilizer and when the fertilizer is sold, each worm costed about 25g.

but this is vastly offset by the new fish prices, so it is worth doing it, if you fish a lot.

And you can, because you can get more worms from a single worm farm than you can use.

let's say you put a fish in worth 390g, that gets you 8 glow worms and 41 fertilizer, those are worth 205g, so those 8 worms costed you 185g or 23.125g each, it is around 25g, it differs by rounding method (midpoint down, above up like in this case)

"profit" 15g, if you sell those worms, so not worth it,

if you fish with those worms, you will likely pull out fish for 1000+ gold.

so the actual profit is in fishing, not in glow worm farming.

grilled fish worth 390g is btw easy to get with normal worms, it is starred grilled mirror carp, the fish itself non-starred. You can pull out like 4-8 of them within 15 minutes at the right time.

[bleak trout]

How can i get fast lvl 10 any advice?

[wary finch]

as experience is gained from harvesting stuff, chopping down wood, hunting, cooking and so on, you simply have to do the tasks and pick up the loot, that is what gives the experience.

if you work hard you will gain experience quite quickly, there is no cheat to gain it faster.

[unborn helm]

I only caught fish to grill it and put it in the worm machines. I don't know when I have to sell the fish directly without processing it. Should I sell the cheapest one without processing It?

and should i use glow worm machine only if i need harvest fertilizer?

[wary finch]

no you gain cooking experience from grilling it and it has a chance to get starred grillfish which is worth 50% more

[unborn helm]

yes i saw that, im doing a world doc with diferent grilled fish and im seeing worm machines give +20gold profit, glow machine only 10g+

so grill non star fish to have a chance to get star grilled fish. and star fish sell directly?

[wary finch]

yeah, it is not for making profit, but to get the worms and fertilizer - the profit is in fishing with those worms.

if you have 2 of the same kind which are higher value, select them and grill both into one - as long as you have higher value fish, don't use the "any fish" option, because then it combines 2 random fish and not your 2 high value fishes.

no, sell nothing directly, why wouldn't you want the extra cooking experience (which is high because the fish value is higher than other foodstuff) with a chance to increase the value of your fish by 50%?

[unborn helm]

ok i think i understant it now, thanks!

[wary finch]

the focus used by an activity is a percentage of the gained experience. Now when you grill fish, you can see how fast it burns through your focus which means high experience gain. Try that with normal cooking, it takes there much longer to burn through your focus.

and when fishing for like 30 minutes, you have about 60-80 fish, that takes then about 20 more minutes to grill them, but you might gain another level in cooking when it's done. Especially with glow worm fished fish.

[rocky pagoda]

Hi! Does all flow trees give a seed? Cuz mine didn’t give one on my plot

[fresh mauve]

They do, but you have to keep checking back to see when you can re-water them.

[long canopy]

does anyone know- do you get more money from making celebration cakes into regular worms or glow worms?

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[long canopy]

oh wow theyre basically the same

[long canopy]

thanks!

[unborn helm]

Celebration cake with 280 vale is same, but in glow farm dont overflow faster. Other cakes with different price is better to check spreadsheet.

[covert kettle]

So I finally settled on a 'system', or rotation for the moment. Like Lys was saying earlier. Harvest boosted apples (6 trees), processed into jam, then sold directly. I plant bok choy and potatoes around them, and use two seed machines to keep them going. So far it appears that ill actually make a little more money then I did before with speedy grow. Mainly because it still fits my irl schedule best. Very happy with the new system so far, and the amount of effort everyone puts into figuring it out. TYVM.

[wary finch]

@covert kettleyeah, like I showed earlier, with the former speedygro in glow worm farms powered by apple jam you made just about 28g extra per crafter required, whereas you now make 48g per jar and apple processed, which is significantly better and so it feels like it as well.

Even just pickling carrots was better than jam in glow worm farms.

btw you could test something for me - lately I catch about 2 of the high tier fish (fairy carp with normal worms, giant goldfish with glow worms) in a very small time window between 6.30pm and 7pm - one right after the other. Is this just insane luck happening 3 days in a row like this or do you make a similar experience?

a second window with 1 of them is maybe between 3.30am and 4am

and between 4am and 6am I pulled 6 mirror carps with normal worms out of my pond.

Then I thought about how I would implement something like this - angle functions come to mind with this, because they are directly related to circular motions like that of a clock. This would be very easy to implement and then just shift and scale it so, that it reflects certain time windows, where the angle function is providing the probability plus/minus an offset - would be a simple implementation and explain, why there might be just small windows, where the probability is much higher than at another time.

[covert kettle]

Ill keep an eye out, i go back to work tomorrow though, so ill be on a lot later.

[unreal tangle]

So I might be late to the party here, but it looks like they removed growth boost from blueberries/apple trees? This changes a lot lol

[icy elbow]

Hey, is this the best pattern to use? (It's from Arenvanya's Guide to Gardening)
It has all the crops, money-wise it seems to be the best one as well.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TWBkPRCCoTP-TWSpPCrSpBBA-SpT.HOSpPRAACr-RCrWPAACbAA-BBAACo.HpAABB-AACbAAPWCrR-CrAARPSpOT.HSp-ABBSpCrPSpWT-PTCoCRPBkWT

[north ingot]

Wait, so are preserves even worth it anymore since the update? I just checked and most of the preserves are the same price as the raw veggie.

[floral talon]

what is hte purpose of knapweed?

[dark zealot]

Since the update. What makes the most money for early game?

Selling raw
Selling seeds
Making worms
Or other farming way?

[wary finch]

@covert kettleit's not a fixed window, but a shifting one, at the evening window I got 3 waterlogged chest instead, and the early morning window was not at 3.30 to 4am but 5.30 to 6am this time, 3 fairy carp in a row. So there are windows with a high probability to catch several high tier fish in a row, but it is not always at the same time.

[unreal tangle]

More or less just as a tiny bit of extra profit from checking your plots. I usually just set my crops to not get weeds because I'm lazy and the 10g you might get is negligible.

[wary finch]

some villagers request it sometimes, najuma for example.

[floral talon]

and thats the only use then?

[wary finch]

I found no other for it.

[floral talon]

nex tupdate knapweed is super dupoer used alot in alchemy 9/10 but ok i get it it has no real uses

[floral talon]

sell bin it is it pays for more storage so i can store more knapweed then

[unreal tangle]

If there's an alchemy update coming out that's news to me lol

[wary finch]

I have 1 in my inventory all the time, in case someone requests it and to easily count weed in the same location of my inventory.

[floral talon]

is just whenever i do somethning like selling knapweed they add an update in whcih it is super usefull every time(in other games)

[wary finch]

like flint, had pretty much no use before, now it is used in paltech items.

[unreal tangle]

I have some great news for you! It's super easy and common to get if you want it from your crops and with the rate updates are going, I doubt alchemy will be in the game for a very very long time if S6 ever plans on it at all. Livestock is very commonly requested and is supposedly in the works and we haven't even gotten any timeline to that coming.

[floral talon]

well i gues this isnt hte type of game wher ehtey make a timegated resourceused in bulk

[unreal tangle]

You would be correct. This is very much a chill game. So chill in fact that there's a lack of things to do in some aspects XD

[wary finch]

nah, it is supposed to be cosy, so requirements will always be decent.

[unreal tangle]

Basically, if you just want to sit on your plot and farm crops all day with the occasional quest or outing, boy is this the game for you 😄

[wary finch]

yeah and given that some of the s6 crew came from zyngo, who made farmville, it is very much a farming game.

[unreal tangle]

Honestly, livestock would create so many great item sinks for currently-useless items. I could definitely see us feeding knapweed or other crops like corn, etc. to an Ormuu in exchange for getting stuff like milk.

[unreal elbow]

Here's mine

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRCrPTBkCrRT-PTPOCrCPRBk-RSpSpCrSpSpPT.HP.H-RBBTBBPOR-AAAAAAAAA-BkOBkRCrRPTP-RBkPWRBkPTO-TBkRPTPRWR-BkCoBkCbRCrBkTP

100% Water Retain
100% Harvest Boost
At least 1 of each crop
Minimum Fertilizer Use
Profit Focused (Crops like Bok Choy, Potato, Rice, and Tomato)

[unreal tangle]

Say, this is a really great layout for a little bit of everything!

[wary finch]

@unreal tangle this and chickens for eggs and sheep for wool as an alternative to cotton farming.

it would give additional housing plots purpose.

[floral talon]

fun fact in german they call cotton treewhool(but hten with german words)

[wary finch]

yes, Baumwolle

[unreal tangle]

Sometimes I think about this and wonder why it's not already in the game. I love item sinks and the ability to become more independent. You could even add functional furniture like a dairy churn to make butter. Imagine! Functional furniture in our game!

[wary finch]

that is what I thought this moment as well, dairy is so much more, like cheese for example.

[icy elbow]

With higher level of Gardening you don't need Stars because there's higher chance of those?

[wary finch]

with level 25 all star seeds create starred produce, with level 50 every seed will produce star produce.

I think s6 is in a critical phase, where they might have a lot of good ideas, but no longer the money to pay the staff to do all in parallel, they need to focus now or get a new investor imo.

[floral talon]

they need to make a cosmetic i actually like so i can donate money

[wary finch]

yeah, I agree, not really keen to run around like a clown.

[floral talon]

only cosmetic i would buy isnt on the shop lol it was some beta tester thingy

[wary finch]

I missed out on the lunar new year outfit, saw it too late.

but as this event is every year, it is not too late.

[floral talon]

i dont know what that is

[wary finch]

chinese new year - lunar new year, google it

that is where the hotpot game is from, which is now in the underground

[unreal tangle]

I guess either way I focus on my garden ingame here or the game stops development and I work on my garden outside xD

I'm crossing my fingers that the layoffs were just them making a contingency plan for the future and that the updates will be of acceptable quality and that the layoffs were to increase said quality.

[wary finch]

this is a problem many start ups have, they get like 20 to 50 million dollars, hire a lot of staff with no experience how fast those salaries will burn through those millions.

[unreal tangle]

Yeah, unfortunately. Honestly I would be fine with them just having me pay a one-time fee for the game or having a subscription model that could optionally be paid in gold.

But I also understand that would make many, many players upset.

[wary finch]

you mean something like EVE has implemented it with plex, if you know about that game by chance.

[unreal tangle]

I've heard about it but I've honestly only stuck to a few select MMOs in my life

[wary finch]

it is a pretty interesting concept, you can buy subscription with ingame money, if you buy plex from another player, who paid for those plex to get ingame money - this way the company is not missing out, and those sucessfully playing can pay subscription with ingame money.

[unborn helm]

like wow token?

[wary finch]

plex = pilot license extention

[unreal tangle]

Oh, I got the idea from Oldschool Runescape since it seems to work out pretty well there too with the bonds system.

[wary finch]

it is great, people using it as well as investment, so the company makes lots of money from it.

[unreal tangle]

I think it's a good system to reward dedicated players who have the time to make a reasonable amount of gold. That way you're not punished for taking a break.

I know this game has attracted pretty large swaths of F2P players as well who are looking for a "free" experience. This is definitely a great foundation for a F2P game but could use a little more revenue in other ways.

[wary finch]

skill gain in EVE is via time (online or offline), and skills are traded as well, one can extract skill points from oneself and sell it as a skill injector to other players.

[unreal tangle]

Anyways I guess this is the gardening chat so uhhh.... Corn!

[wary finch]

EVE is official free to play, but it's actually free to try indefinately. If you really want to play it, you have to be subscribed.

your skill gain stops at 5 million points, and you can buy another 15 million with ingame currency and use special injectors - but it ends at 20 million points, which is like nothing.

I played it for 15 years, just need a break from it for a while - as in maybe years - and play something peaceful and chill like Palia

btw my new character just got the "earned 100k" achievement, on my 5th day - the new patch made it possible.

guess I will have the million next month and 10 millions in 7 or so.

[unreal elbow]

yea as others have said, once you get high enough everything is starred no mater what thats why i hate the worm farm changes... sweets make quality up which you dont realistically need after a certain point

[wary finch]

they don't want people to speed grow crops, maybe there is still a bug with it and this way just a minor amount of people will eventually experience it.

Not really a wise move in a beta, which is meant to iron out bugs.

[wary finch]

this is the garden my new character is running - it works pretty well and the transition from a mainly cotton growing to mixed with berries and peppers and now an apple tree was really smooth, just a few things here and there to change every time. https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-RCoCBBOBBC-R.HCoCCCoOAAA-RCoCWTOCrCoC-RCoC.HWTO.HCrCoC.H-NNNNNNNNN-WSpSpCoSpSpCr.HCoC-AAAAAACbPT-RCoBkWTOCrPC-RCbBk.HWCoSpCrCoSp-CWCrSpBBSpBB

it started up with a column of rice, wheat corn, a column of cotton and a column of carrot, onion and corn on each plot. then I added the blueberry and the pepper on the right side, after I got the next blueberry I added blueberry and pepper on the left side, with just minor changes each time, and lately the apple tree which were as well just minor changes after the cotton harvest, when I integrated as well tomatoes, potatoes and nappa cabbage. This is a really good way to upgrade the garden without to interrupt it's current main operation - each transition can be done in minutes.

[covert kettle]

Omg, EvE took time out of my life way back too. It got to be to much once low sec shield refueling demanded that you wake up in the middle of the night to keep refueling.

[wary finch]

I was a wormholer for some years, then I became an industrialist

11 trillionaires, I guess I know how to play this game - lol.

I just don't have the aggression anymore to play a pvp game, my life is balanced and I'm peaceful now.

[velvet mortar]

Do you just sell the crops as is?

[velvet mortar]

Did you get an answer to this? I’ve been making preserves and using those in glow worm farms to make glow worms@and fertilizer. However, Apple and blueberry jams give the crappy fertilizer now instead of harvest boost, so curious if it’s still worth it

Just curious best way to max profit from gardening after update. Sell raw produce, make seeds, make fertilizer, preserves?

[wary finch]

no I preserve them, this is all quickly preserving stuff.

oh my, I am talking since hours that grilled quality fish is the best way for a worm farm now.

I'm not using berries and peppers yet, they are for cooking or such, the money generating crop is all the other stuff - given that I have about twice the income from fishing than from farming currently

and once I will have figured out, how those best fishing windows shift, I will just pull out high quality fish in nearly no time.

these fish are in your pond, with normal worms go for mirror carp and fairy carp, with glow worms go for cloudfish and giant goldfish

then grill them selectively, and put the grilled quality fish in your worm farm, and be amazed about the results

But that is not really for making profit, it is to get the worms and fertilizer, the profit is in fishing with those worms.

If you just want the profit, then sell the grilled fish directly, instead to sell worms and fertilizer, because it is nearly the same value

I run currently starred grilled mirror carps for the next 11 hours in a normal worm farm -they will generate 451 normal worms and 451 harvest boost fertilizer in those 11 hours.

meanwhile I will fish for fairy carps, with some luck I get 33 in those 11 hours of those, that are 16 grilled fish, about 2/3 of them will be starred, then I'll have fish for 10 hours with 1080g each, creating 1100 worms and 1100 fertilizer in those 10 hours and another 6 hours where I'll get 432 worms and 432 fertilizer- so yeah, then I have enough for quite a while.

And when this is done I do something similar in a glow worm farm - just 1 worm farm used at a time - saves crafters - and once I have enough of those in my ammo pouch, I put them away and use something else instead - like another jar.

so seen from my point of view, the patch is awesome

[velvet mortar]

Wow

[wary finch]

with glow worms I go for giant goldfish instead ofc.

[velvet mortar]

Awesome! Thank you for sharing!!

[wary finch]

scroll up, I talked a lot about when is the best time to fish for those.

[stable ginkgo]

By fishing at your home pond you can’t get quality fish right, but I guess even if you did it would have a chance to become non-starred and ruin the point of starred fish.

[wary finch]

it is all in your pond at home, I just fish there

non-starred is good as well with these fish, if you just go for quality fish - without bait cantankerous koi (so even a newbie with a bad fishing rod can get results), with normal worms mirror carp and fairy carp (a good rod is required, that fish is really wild), and with glow worms cloudfish and giant goldfish.

[stable ginkgo]

Do you know if rod throw length affects fish rarity Lys?

[upper mist]

Depending on how many online hours vs offline hours you have, it might matter that you'd have to process over 300 bok choy in 30 days alongside 231 potatoes (and 385 rice) though, the money might not be achievable if you have a lot of online hours

[wary finch]

the quality of the rod decides basically how quickly you can move it and how fast you can reel in.

[upper mist]

so if you have a lot of online hours, this one is way better achievable

[wary finch]

bok choy takes an eternity to seed, I gave up on that totally.

[icy elbow]

45 hours in since Monday, I think.

[upper mist]

then I definitely recommend my layout 😄

[icy elbow]

Game got me hooked way too much.

[wary finch]

guess we all binge played when we had the opportunity - smile

[icy elbow]

Funny story, I started playing in Serbia while I was on vacation there.

[wary finch]

45 hrs - did you get the "100k earned" achievement yet?

[icy elbow]

Which Achievement is that?

[wary finch]

getting paid

[icy elbow]

Not yet, only 36k.
Kinda figuring out the game myself without any guides.

[wary finch]

ah true, silly me, I have done it 4 times before, I know how to make money quickly - sorry.

[icy elbow]

We call it 'get side-tracked simulator'. You are trying to do this and then you get side-tracked by another 5 things.

Been a while since I played relaxing game.

[upper mist]

You process them to either seeds or preserves! preserves are more worth it then seeds if you have a lot of online hours for sure

[wary finch]

I have a talent (or curse) to make any game into a entrepreneurial one, so relaxing is relative, there is always something to do in game, that is why I logout to relax.

[upper mist]

preserves are 1,5 times more worth than their raw versions, if you have a lot of online hours I can recommend my mathsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YV_LiHp48shNifWakdZtOI9j6_IqQI0A7dRdr28lHNY/edit?usp=sharing

[icy elbow]

Yeah, I like to play games hardcore but once in a while it's necessary to chill out.

[wary finch]

it is a character flaw I guess, I have a hard time to relax in general, there is always something to do or think about or to communicate with people.

[upper mist]

if you want to know what's best to earn money from your wormfarms, I can recommend my fertilizer outcomes guide, im still in the process of updating it but it should largely be done!! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cDsOxSJSkODSEimSEZmmos2_5hOGJ1Typ4tXutjBI9I/edit?usp=sharing

[icy elbow]

Same, tbh.

[velvet mortar]

Thank you! Ive been waiting for a new fertizlier outcome guide since the patch! 🤩

[wary finch]

that guide is good if you are looking for something what doesn't take half a day fishing.

but the outcome is value based. So if you put foodstuff in,which has not much value,then the outcome will as well be poor.

and the only real expensive foodstuff is grilled quality fish, up to a value of 3660g.

[velvet mortar]

I just don’t play as much as I used to, so also looking for the best passive solution!

[wary finch]

yeah, nothing against it, you do as you please, I just wanted to point that out.

the best passive solution is -not doing it at all,if you don't want to fish -and use the crafter slot for something which really makes you money.

seriously, look at the value increase in a full day -it is simply not worth doing if you don't want to fish or need the fertilizer.

I didn't like fishing before, but now it makes me good money on top of my farm, and because I have figured out, how to fish without many mishaps, it is fun now as well.

given that an exquisite rod and fishermen's brew in star quality makes it quite easy.

there are a few other goodies in the guild shop, I guess I might use the recovery time booster, if I'd run into problems with too jumpy fish - but then again, I trust in the autopilot in my brain to figure the movement pattern out and adapt muscle memory to it, then it's easy. I'm always amazed how my hand makes the right moves BEFORE I even know what fish it is - trust in the autopilot in your brain.

That is like flying helicopters -- if you trust into your subconscious, you will be a good pilot, but if you think about how you fly it, you won't - it requires tiny moves and fast reaction, your brain can do that without you interfering.

Same with driving a car, when did you think last time, how you drive? you don't, you just do it.

it is the same with fishing as well,once you have done it often enough, reeling in a fish is automatic, you don't have to think about how you do it, you just do.

[covert kettle]

If a fish jumps, you can just stop reeling it in, until it calms down. You wont lose rod health or the catch.

[manic harbor]

Looking for garden inspo - more for looks less worried about efficiency, any photos shared here?

[covert kettle]

You can get a bit of both, but I dont have the pics atm. I wrapped my garden plots around a pavilion once.

[wary finch]

yeah, I figured that out, as well, in which direction it will jump, even I cannot explain it, but my hand knows, where to move at 🙂

[covert kettle]

I have noticed that each type of fish appears to have a specific pattern.

Except for that unicorn monstrosity that things a spaz at least for me.

[wary finch]

exactly, and your brain is best in figuring that out and act accordingly, they have 3 pattern each.

[covert kettle]

Lys how are you cooking your grilled fish? Like how do you prevent it from cooking your good fish. Do you just hand pick every time?

[manic harbor]

Yes exactly, a bit of both is enough for me, found some photos on pintrest, just need a little push to get me going hehe

[wary finch]

I start with grilling the best fish first, and if there is just one left, I put it in the safe box, where it won't be used.

[covert kettle]

Gotcha, i try to keep 2 of everything, but the locked storage isnt enough space for it.

[wary finch]

when there is just crap fish left, I can grill with the "any fish" option, because it matters not, I will sell it anyway.

last catch was 3 top tier in a row at 6.30-7am, it is always at a different time wihin a time frame.

but there are these 30 minutes somewhere, when you can catch 3 in a row or at least 2.

I would have to fish several days for most of the time frame to get a feeling for how this window is shifted.

or maybe there is a node somewhere, and the distance to it counts as well, I have not used this tone-thingy yet.

I have still fish for 14hrs in the worm farm, so it is not an urgent thing, I need to get my mining and foraging up, I need palium and flow wood for exquisite tools, just have 2 of those yet.

fishing rod and watering can - both very helpful.

I found a new love for pickling simple stuff, carrots, onions, tomatoes, they are fast to pickle and give a steady income twice each in game day. And corn and potatoes once. I guess, I will store my berries and peppers for now (just seeding for replants ofc). I have just 1 apple tree and I guess, it will be just one for a longer time - I'm fine with what I have now, simple garden, easy to maintain, nevertheless decent income.

[unreal elbow]

Mostly seeds! I put the blueberries and apples in preserves and occasionally overflow potato corn bok choy etc

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit?usp=sharing

Also here's the updated worm farm sheet, missing a couple food recipes but mostly everything else is on there

[wary finch]

Here some simple design facts about jars - they are balanced so, that you can push about 75g value through them (per ingame day) to gain 50% more value out of the produce. If you assume 25 jars in use, this means you can process produce worth 45k through them to gain a result of 67,500g. With the maximum amount of crafters (30) you could process 54k to gain a result of 81k, the rest to 90 or 100k income needs to come from direct sales.

This is for 1 real life day.

My guess is, that seeders are equally well balanced.

apples and carrots have slightly higher throughput but it is insignificant.

and interesting question is, how much value can the garden generate per real life day and how much this value depends on the layout of the garden.

basically what the planner says, if we put the calculation on all crop, unprocessed.

hm, ok, this means it is basically impossible to process everything with a decent garden, because already my newbie garden exceeds the processing limits.

No, my bad, this would be for running the garden 24/7/365, non-stop, no one can do that 🙂

oh well, that is just like I experience it in the past, with 25 jars 2 seeders, I can manage 16-18 ticks, and the theoretical result is near 17 ticks.

s6 assumes that even binge players need 7hrs to sleep, eat and socialize. It is really interestingly designed and balanced.

[rich bolt]

Yes, sometimes I think they try to do a little too much and then it's too over the top.

[plucky raven]

So I was going to come here and ask if there is much positive to take away from the recent worm farm changes but I dont think many of you are using the glow worm farm like I have in which I was actually using the speedy go fertilizer LOL. Is Quality up fertilizer and plant buff still pretty unnecessary for high lvl gardeners still? I was told before once you got so high from some formula that is used to calculate star quality produce all those buffs are not needed because your lvl alone will guarantee that it is star quality. I just want to make sure of what changed and how best to use said changes. I feel like worm farms cant make any fertilizer that I could really use now so its better to just sell it out right.

[wary finch]

about that @plucky raven, upgrade quality fertilizer is pretty useless, starting at level 25, if just star seeds are used or level 50 with any kind of seeds, it will all be starred produce.

glow worm farm doesn't make profit either - if you sell the outcome it is just slightly higher than the value you put in. With high value grilled fish it is just a fast way to get to glow worms, but if you don't want to fish with them, it is useless - example: star quality grilled fish made from 2 starred giant goldfish, value 3660g, creates 73 glow worms and 368 harvest boost fertilizer, combined value 3665g, there is no profit it in.

So, to me it's a good change, I can get a lot of glow worms with a single glow worm farm and can fish as much with it as I want, because I can easily recreate the worms with some of the fish I'm catching and the rest is good profit - from fishing, not from worm farming. But for those, who don't want to fish with glow worms, it makes no sense.

And if I would need quality upgrade fertilizer, seriously, I would not use a glow worm farm for that - but just catch 4 bugs, shoot 4 sermuk and gather 4 sundrop lilies and craft 80 fertilizer with those.

By a simple reason, to get the amount of fertilizer I would need, I would have to use 2 jars with apples in them and 2 glow worm farms to get the required fertilizer in time, that is 4 crafters wasted imo.

Beside the opportunity cost for not being able to use 4 crafters which would actually make me money, I would have put 2 apples in (192g) and had beside the fertilizer just3 glow worms worth 75g, so the required portion of fertilizer would cost me 117g, but there are the opportunity costs of not being able to use those crafters which have a theoretical value of 150g - so the economically correct costs of that fertilizer would be 267g. (corrected, former values were for 2 crafters)

The opportunity cost I based on 4 jars instead, throughput 75x4 = 300g, profit gain potential 50% = 150g

[covert kettle]

The short version for now is just keep doing what you were doing but swap harvest fertilizer in for speedy grow. Also dont put stuff into the worm farms, just sell it. Apples made into jam still sell very well. Even better imo. I went up to 20+ preserve jars. Only 2x seed machines.

If you want to incorporate fishing, it gets even better. Basically, instead of feeding jam to get worms, use worms to catch fish, grill the fish, then worm farm the grilled fish. Personally, Im selling all the starred grilled fish I make, and worm farming all the normal quality. Ill know tomorrow if its enough to sustain me.

[wary finch]

@covert kettlebecause it is basically a conversion of fish value into worms and fertilizer, there is no loss in it, if you use the better fish for worm farming. If you sell the excess worms you have, you get pretty much the same value, which would would have gotten with the fish so it is not a loss to just bank worms in your ammo pouch.

[covert kettle]

Absolutely I just dont have alot of space, and Im hoping the normal quality will give me enough harvest boost fertilizer to keep things moving.

[wary finch]

hope? you can calculate it - harvest boost fertilizer is 2 + fish value/10

[covert kettle]

Im hoping to pull in at least 75k every irl day when im working, maybe 100+ when im not.

Yes Lys, I appreciate that you have an immense knack for numbers, but I tend to wing it more often then not.

[wary finch]

My spouse is an economist, I guess that influenced my interest in this kind of number crunching.

[covert kettle]

If I ever get around to balancing my checking account, ill probably wish I learned a thing or two.😂

[wary finch]

If people would really know how the banking system works, they would immediately stop it - lol.

[covert kettle]

Im gonna try to build out a fishing pier with blocks, if they can extend out of the plot range like treasure chest ladders do.

[covert kettle]

Aww yeah

[wary finch]

ah that is where I have my barbie - but I rarely fish there, more on the right hand side of the pond.

[covert kettle]

Im gonna deck this out so hard

The housing decor channel smoked me lol. Still gonne do it.

[wary finch]

is there a way to colorize it or put a texture on it?

[tardy vortex]

How to apply a fertilizer to apple and other large crops?
Do I need to apply it to every tile or just one will be enough?
If one is enough - can I apply different types of fertilizer?

[fleet frost]

how can I obtain SpeedyGro fertilizers for Delaila quest?

[tardy vortex]

I found it only in store. Must be something that we can put in "Worm Farm", but I do not know what for now.
Simple way. Place gift request in social panel.

[slow flame]

What layout would you guys recommend for under level 25s?

[tardy vortex]

I'm not very good at this and apples with berries must be preferable, but here is my layout for now.

I just get "Preserves Jars" and pick all my extra crops. It is great thing to have for some passive income.