🌱│gardening

[neat vortex]

oh this makes me VERY happy 🥰

[muted lark]

Who ever made this sheet, bless you this makes it easy for me to figure out what to expect 😭

[wary finch]

I did an interesting calculation to see, what it takes to run a 4-apple tree farm in full, assuming that you sleep for like 8hrs per rl day, but manage to catch 17 growth cycles per rl day. To process all the incoming apples, which aren't required for replanting seeds, you would need 18 preserve jars. You would have to replant your growth and harvest boosted trees every rl day as well. So this is quite an operation to run a 4 apple tree layout in full.

[dusty kayak]

same shepp who made the gardening guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit?usp=sharing

[dusty kayak]

i run 6 apple trees with harvest boost and i garden idle or log in to water etc like pretty much my entire day, and 12 preserve jars has been enough

[wary finch]

then you don't catch 17 growth cycles per day.

[muted lark]

OOOOO thank youuu! I've been foraging, mining, and hunting ALOT... Getting into the gardening & fishing part lately so this is definitely helpful thank you!

[dusty kayak]

i dont think many do if i dont lol

im in the game my entire waking hour, or log in

[wary finch]

I did this calculation as a base, because it includes a full life cycle of trees every day. So lets say I catch just 6 growth cycles, I can simple do 6/17*18 - 6 preserve jars are enough in this case.

so if 12 are enough for you, you are likely catching 12 growth cycles per day.

oh no,that is for 4 trees

you have 6

so you are catching just about 8 growth cycles (or you are storing apples as well)

your jars can process 227 apples per day - this is the limit.

possibly a bit less, because they don't process divided apples, it's an average.

[dusty kayak]

apples get loaded and jam gets loaded to worm farms im catching every waking hour usually 🤔 unless its past 3 am like it is now lol

[wary finch]

it takes 76 minutes to process an apple, a day has just 24 hrs, you cannot process more than are possible within that time per jar..

and that is not quite 19 apples per jar, times 12 jars = 228.

[dusty kayak]

oh i know why now

the out of sync crops bug

sometimes not all trees growth tick at the same time

actually most often i have 1 or 2 not finishing in time

and take like 3 more growth ticks

[wary finch]

yeah has to be something like this, otherwise the numbers don't add up.

I think the speed boost is a little buggy sometimes, they had an issue with speedygro fertilizer, which might as well effect the normal boost via blueberries.

"take like 3 more growth ticks" sounds like the speed boost works just once instead of 4 times, this creates 3 more ticks.

[dusty kayak]

what speed boost

lol

[wary finch]

are you doing that with speedygro fertilizers, that would explain it.

[dusty kayak]

i have not used fert since august lmao

no its the out of sync bug

[wary finch]

ok,my calculation is based on speed boosted trees.

[dusty kayak]

crops get out of sync all the time

oh i find fert wastful (my opinion lol)

[flat patio]

hey guys are star pickled tomatos the way to go? or star tomato seeds?

what's better for money?

[wary finch]

bok choy seeded

Sen made that calculation a bit above, scroll back to see it,

for your tomatoes that is.

there is not a big difference though, do what suits you best.

[dusty kayak]

I just did a ted talk on this
#🌱│gardening message

[flat patio]

oh I see

yep not much of a difference between the two

[oak imp]

I don't have any apple seeds anymore. I could make one but I don't want to. Anyone have a profitable low maintenance layout that only uses a few crops?

[dusty kayak]

100% lazy from my doc wheres my doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

Id say use bok choy in it as a replacement for a crop that does the same thing

Would be better profit now

[wary finch]

if you seed bok choy, preserving it is not good.

[dusty kayak]

[burnt grail]

Just gotta do what I affectionately call crop-budgeting

[nimble portal]

Does anyone know if you can have more soil plots in your other housing slots after you've already got 9 in one houseing slot?

[dusty kayak]

9 is max regardless of anything

[light pond]

Someone's probably suggested this already but, I would love a garden garden. Flowers, greenery, vines~ 🌼🌸🌻🌹

[left portal]

I like the analysis. The garden really is a limited resource, so one detail I still struggle with is the number of hours per crop to be included in a separate value, for the end result. It becomes more complicated to do with multiple yield crops, but maybe sum the total hours (including all collections) and average it to a single collection for like comparison. So is Tomato better equal or worse value per growth hour than carrot for example? Because they both make the same profit in the preserve jar (+17) and then worm bin (+37) over the raw veggie.

[slow flame]

They really should have made 10 the max if they are going to have a limit because 9 is an odd number and I hate it!

[lilac wind]

lol 9 makes a big square. 10 would have driven people mad

tho I personally wouldn't have minded as I have one 2x2 plot, a single plot, and a weird T shape with "decorative" apples

[slow flame]

9 doesn't work for what I already had going on with mine. I made a big strip with two next to eachother all the way down...at the end I have one lonely one.... just sitting there looking stupid because I can't get 10 which would have completed it. Now I have to wait for all my stuff to grow, and try to redo it all but I already fenced it in and put decor so... I just gotta tare up my back yard lolol.

[shut bolt]

im gonna try this today! ty!~

[wary finch]

a good amount would have been 12 plots, like 2x6 or 3x4 or 2x3 in 2 different location or 2x2 in 3 different locations.

[wary finch]

I actually like my oddly shaped garden that much, that I don't want to change it's shape. My youngest character has now reached skill level 25 and I'm transitioning a 1 apple tree garden to a 2 million gold layout (in 360 growth cycles) with 4 apple trees, 6 berry bushes, 8 bok choy and rice, corn and wheat.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrBkCrAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-RBkBkBBBkBBBk-CrBBWBBCrAA-NNNNNNACrR-AAABBRBBW-BBRBBBBkBkB-WAABAABAA-AAAAAAAWBk-ABBABBNNN

Not saying, it would be best, it is just what suits my current needs.

this transition is basically why I made the calculation for the preserve jar usage in order to find out, how much playtime (or better growth cycles) I need to catch to utilize my jars in an optimized way without to waste storage space in inventory or selling raw crops/fruits- I'll basically try out a "just in time" system.

[wary finch]

In the end the calculation comes down to pretty simple rules of thumb:

for 4 apple trees you need as many jars as you catch growth cycles in a day, if those are harvest boosted and half as many if they are not. This is for speed boosted apple trees.

if they are not speed boosted you need 15% less jars. not 20, factor was not quite right.

well, not jars in total, but jars specifically dedicated to the processing of apples, for other fruits and crops it takes more of course.

[wary finch]

Well, as far as processing of apple jam goes, I won't ever be a worm ruler like Sen, simply because I think the value increase doesn't rectify the time investment. I will run one glow worm farm only and sell the rest of the jam.

[neat vortex]

this was my ultimate conclusion as well - now I only worm my preserves when I don't have any better things running/as an alternative to running mats crafters (smelters etc). Glow worm farms eating morels add more value per crafter slot hour than any preserves in worm farms, assuming I calculated that correctly, and both earn less per hour than preserves jars and seeders. The trick is keeping them busy and not either empty or stalled. But I can always keep the morel glow worms busy, no matter how much play time I have, as long as I refill them every 30 hours

but I have big variations in playtime and energy levels

so having an "automatic" brainless effortless default choice feels important, for my situation

[dusty kayak]

Well heres that i think lol
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YV_LiHp48shNifWakdZtOI9j6_IqQI0A7dRdr28lHNY/edit?usp=sharing

[wary finch]

I'll keep that in mind with those morels, because this is much easier to do and I buy anyway quite a lot from zeki for cooking purposes.

your suggestion is especially valuable, as I calculate the requirements on seeders and jars as a function of growth cycles caught per rl day. So if I catch less for a while, I know exactly how many seeders and jars can be removed and be replaced by glow worm farms fed with morels. thanks for this suggestion.

This calculation is imo best for when you have quite volatile playtime and helps to adjust the crafter setup to what is actually needed, whilst keeping them all busy.

[wary finch]

hm, I wonder why my youngest character has 3 housing plots, I just bought one on my first character.

did we get another one for free?

[wary finch]

I named them differently, just to make sure, that I really have 3.

[light pond]

Hey not to interrupt, but the trees you plant with wild seeds-
How long does it take for them to grown to full size? Cause I've had some on my lot for over a month now and they are still babies?

[dusty kayak]

they never grow any more then when theyre first planted

[clever rain]

Hey, quick question. Are blueberries a good cash crop if you don't have apple trees yet?

[wary finch]

you need them anyway to speed boost the apple trees, so plant them.

[clever rain]

Roger, thank you!

[dusty kayak]

not as good as others, but decent if you seed them and sell the seeds

[wary finch]

I'd say they are top notch for 2x2, as they are the only plants, which can speed boost apple trees.

and they speed boost all the other crop in between those as well.

[clever rain]

I decided to hold off on them until I can get at least four seeds, I'll plant them on my next rotation. Gotta figure out a layout first

[wary finch]

so their value isn't just their sales value, but as well the effect, which makes crop around them worth more.

[wary finch]

why, a single seed harvest boosted will get you all the berries you need for all the bushes you want to plant, it is a multi-harvest crop, you can harvest it 4 times before it disappears.

harvest boosted it generates 36 berries before it disappears, which can be made into 18 seeds.

keep in mind though, that bushes need a boost twice to take effect.

[clever rain]

Duly noted, I'll get em in and boosted. Thank you for the advice!

[wary finch]

try this layout, it can be harvested every other day, seed everything and sell it. Bok choy is the only crop, which has a nearly 100% value increase when seeded and I put 21 of them on this layout, beside those many berry bushes. It is quite modular, you can easily plant it after what's incoming.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkBBRBBBkRBk-BkBBRBBBkRBk-BkBBRBBBkRBk-BBBBBBBkRBk-BBkBBRBRBkR-BBBBBBBkRBk-BBBBBBBkRBk-BRBBBkBRBkR-BBBBBBBkRBk

water retain is useless on this, because you need to harvest every other day anyway.

[wary finch]

well, it's nearly every day something to harvest actually. Look at the day-by-day list, pretty much every day (as in every hour played) decent income from farming, hope you will be happy with it.

[red coral]

Reposting my garden layout in case anyone is interested. This is an all crop, self watering, no weed system without any ferts. Of course ferts can be added (I use speed gro for my apple tree until it's grown, then harvest boost for example) but this has kept my income high (starred crops into preserves) while keeping my kitchen stocked as well (always have both started and unstarred without ferts so far)!

[devout hornet]

is there a ;link to the garden planner of this? i needed something with variety!!

[red coral]

If you're on mobile- you click the # gardening up top and you should see a button that says links, it's in there! I will link it in a sec once I find it

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[devout hornet]

tysm!!!

[devout hornet]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkOBPTBCOCb-BCbTBCCrPOW-CBkCoWTPCbOC-TCrWCbOBkWCrP-AAAAAAAAA-PCrRBkOCbRCrT-COCbPTRCoBkC-ROPWCSpTCbSp-CbOCSpTPSpOBk slayyy

[red coral]

Perfection

[wild hazel]

Are you spicyjellyfish?

[quaint pier]

whats thisss everything on it?

[gaunt elk]

the garden is coming along

[vestal niche]

Okay this may sound ridiculous but… how can I get carrots that AREN’T star quality??? I’m apparently too much of a chad and can’t farm regular carrots. Usually this wouldn’t be an issue, BUT I want to make several of the ranch house planters that need carrots to craft. It’s been like 2 days since I’ve gotten a regular carrot

[shut hearth]

request some carrots they will not be star quality

[covert sand]

You can also buy carrots from the register on the Daiya Family Farm

90g each

[vestal niche]

Ahhh that is true. I’ll prolly just buy the amount I need because I feel ridiculous requesting carrots 😅

[gaunt elk]

What the best thing to grow and then can to make the most money, besides trees

[wary finch]

or simply buy it from badruu's shop at the farm.

[wary finch]

could be seen as helpful as well, people need to fill in requests of 5 players for a quest, do you recall having done that yourself?

[vestal niche]

Oh I had meant I didn’t really think to just buy them since I think I’ve only ever did it once. And I suppose some people could need it for that request fulfillment quest. I guess I just found it odd for someone with gardening lv 30 to ask for something so basic

[wary finch]

it's not unlike buying basic seeds from zeki to fill in villiager requests, even you might sell mass amounts of those on a regular basis. Comes with the advantage of getting a lucky coin from zeki, and in your case, it could be an easy fill in for a newbie struggling to complete the "prove your generosity" quest.

a newbie might not have much, but there is the harvest a carrot and harvest an onion quest, so this is like one of the first stuff, a newbie willl plant.

[vestal niche]

Thanks for mentioning it! That’s a good way of looking at it and I’ll keep it in mind for the future 😊

[stable sandal]

mhh i'm wondering if a large amount of quality fertilizer will reduce the quantity of crops... usually i get like 20-25 apples but last time i put all the top quality fertilizer i had and i got only 16

[slow flame]

does your tree have both harvest and growth boost ? Because the growth boost messes up with the harvest one occasionally. Still worth having but it's a bit bugged

[stable sandal]

yes it does... i'm using one of the layouts from the document

[slow flame]

So your tree will give 24 apples most of the time, and sometimes only 16, it's quite annoying

[stable sandal]

this one. is it meant to be used without fertilizer?

also how much and which one do you usually use?

[slow flame]

There's no problem with adding fert if you want
I don't use any on my side because it's a chore to do but that's just me

[stable sandal]

Thank you Reda ❤️

[devout hornet]

Yems! I love it!

[copper apex]

Hey, I've got a question. I've planted cotton and rice all over my field, always next to each other. But when the rice was done not a single one was of high quality, though every single one had the quality boost. What could I've done wrong?

[neat vortex]

The quality boost is RNG, so... perhaps just veeery bad rolls in this case? What determines quality or not is: (1) gardening skill level (base chance to get star crops); (2) star seeds; (3) cotton adjacency OR QualityUp fertilizer (one or the other, not both)

as far as I've understood it, anyway

I'm not sure if this is out of date, and it doesn't appear complete, but maybe helpful? https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Guide:Harvest_Quantities#Star_Quality_Seeds

20% chance to get only normal quality crops with only one quality boosting property squints but doesn't mention what level that applies to

[cold blaze]

learning more about my personal gardening tastes as I play more taking it seriously and seeing how it works... unfortunately that's meant realizing I kind of want a non-grid garden with no weeds, a few trees and bushes, and as many different crops as possible making it hard for myself

[craggy oak]

Is there any benefit to watering other players' crops?

[bold sapphire]

how to untile it xd

[neat vortex]

Can I ask what you mean by "non-grid"?

[neat vortex]

Being nice? Unless they didn't want their crops watered, in which case: being a little so-n-so? XD

[cold blaze]

oh, like I started with and have only been using square 9x9s, but I prefer the look of ones that are more spread out or even staggered. which just means it's gonna be harder to get the crop benefits to line up right

[neat vortex]

Hmm, I have one I've been playing around with... miiiight do what you want with some tweaking?

[craggy oak]

I was curious whether it might give a small amount of renown, like filling requests

[neat vortex]

The bushes are a bit tricky; this version prioritizes harvest boosting them, but you could put in weed blockers instead:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11011-10001-00100-10000-11000_CROPS-Cb.HT.WW.WT.WSp.WSp.WW.WSp.WSp.W-Cr.WT.WCb.HB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCr.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-Cr.WB.WB.WT.WB.WB.WCb.HT.WCr.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H-NNNNNNNNN-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H

[dusty kayak]

sadly the quickest way is to plant a cheap seed and destroy the crop
otherwise you have to plant and wait for harvest

[neat vortex]

Oh, darn, they don't un-till just with time? :(

[neat vortex]

Modified more to what you were saying, dunno if it's what you're looking for though: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11011-10001-00100-10000-11000_CROPS-Cb.WTCTSp.HSp.HCSp.HSp.H-BkTCb.WB.HB.HTB.HB.HBk.W-O.HBkT.HPCr.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-BkB.HB.HTB.HB.HCb.WTBk.W-O.HBkT.HPCo.HPT.HBkO.H-NNNNNNNNN-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H

[cold blaze]

these are definitely good starting references! thank you

[neat vortex]

o7

Do share what you come up with! I love seeing things that aren't the usual Farm Cube XD

[shy granite]

Second action of the tool to create the square over the square?

No, that dont work... But by the time with no plant nothing some square disapears so... Idk why

[lavish temple]

I just thought of a brilliant idea. Now that I have apples, my garden has lower overall volume and my pickling jars are half empty. What if I deliberately clogged the finished goods pile with three kinds of jars and then use them as overflow storage for produce that I want to cook with later?

[shut bolt]

I know this is most likely been brought up

but I wish we had more gardening slots

especially since trees and blueberry takes up room and also that we have new crops to grow

[lavish temple]

Yeah. They keep adding more lines of materials and no option for more space to manage them, whether storage, soil, backpacks, etc.
For gardening at least there’s still only a few buffs and several plants each give the same buff so you don’t have to grow everything. I tend to do cash crops and two ingredients for a single recipe that I just make 50 batches of at a time.

And I have a few spots that I’ll swap around if I need other stuff.

[shut bolt]

Even like a golden storage box

[lapis glacier]

does anyone have a good crop layout for all the crops including the new seeds?

i want to be efficient, but also have a supply of all crops

[dusty kayak]

two types here

[lapis glacier]

great thanks 🙂

[supple moon]

what ive been using, just got apple and blueberry so working on building up seeds

along with quality up + harvest boost fertilizers

[ancient reef]

I use this one for cakes just rotate the rice with wheat ever other harvest since I don't need a lot of those can also jam and worm farm the jam for apples and blueberries if you don't do cakes I get 20k every 12 hrs with 8 jammer and worm farms when I don't do cakes and around 45k when I do cakes

Just noticed it cut off lol

[pulsar terrace]

What website are yall using for this?

[wary finch]

@dusty kayakI know now, where the discrepancy between your experience with preserving apples and my calculation came from - it's so silly, I accidently calculated with a re-harvest time of 3 days instead of 6, which of course creates much too high output numbers.

[wary finch]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[halcyon charm]

Crying because I need an apple but my gardening is only level 2

[wary finch]

if it's for a recipe, try the round + button on it, you should be able to request it

[halcyon charm]

I tried but the apple isnt appearing there. It’s one of Najumas weekly loved requests

[dusty kayak]

I seeee

[dusty kayak]

Befriend ||naio|| to level 3 its much faster
Just do weekly want stuff, give him his star stone, and talk to him every IRL hour you're online

[supple moon]

whats everyones thoughts on harvest boost vs speedy grow fertilizer? do you prefer more crops slower, or less crops faster?

[wary finch]

more crops faster with higher yield 🙂

but I prefer to get both boosts with crops, not with fertilizers, because I deem them wasteful.

[supple moon]

yeah i've been playing around with crop layouts now that i have apples and bluebs but im a lazy gardener so 100% water retain and close to 100% weed prevention is my main goal - and i can't seem to balance that with growth boosts or harvest yields yet

[wary finch]

this is a compilation from Sen, maybe the water and weed block with 1 apple tree with all crops would be suitable for you, just scroll down to find it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit

there are some others too, which might inspire you.

yours is as well not really lazy, those bok choy and carrots adjacent to apple trees need to be harvested every other day.

[wet glen]

Is there anyway to set something up so it gets results every in game day? Cause when I go back to work (I'm seasonal) I won't be able to return on but like once a day and for not long lol

Currently I have all fields as tomatoes besides my 1 apple tree for maximum lazy

[dusty kayak]

maybe you'd benefit from an edit of the 100% lazy layout with 1 tree to keep the apple tree

[wet glen]

Then all I gotta do is fertilize with crop boost?

After I get farming level 25?

[dusty kayak]

there's also the "all crops" with one tree and water and weedblock but the more crops the more replacing them you have to do, the layout is a little complicated to follow so it's a little more work

[dusty kayak]

if you have quality fert that would benefit, until level 25 where if starred seeds are used you nearly always get starred crops yeah

[wet glen]

Mk I'll save these then for when I get 25 I'm almost there

What one do you think would be best in your opinion?

[dusty kayak]

it really depends on what you want, i picked them out based on your stated needs

[worthy relic]

Friendly reminder that there is an achievement for weeding.
So I'm working on gardening with 0 weed prevention right now

[dusty kayak]

thankfully achievments never go away and you're likely never playing the same way forever

[wary finch]

when you are offline, your garden just grows to 6am and stops growing, so anything with plants, which take longer to grow is likely not for you, if you just can login once per rl day, would just be able to advance your garden for 2 days, so any speed boosted crop with a normal growth time of 3 days would work, but that is just rice, carrots and bok choy.

and this 2 days advancement would just happen, if you login before 6am in game time, work your garden, wait for 6am and work your garden again.

[wet glen]

So would any of those recommendations work? Lol

[dusty kayak]

with the water retain and weedblock all youd have to do is log in and log out to trigger another growth tick

[worthy relic]

That is true, but if someone didn't know about it.
I'm gonna get rid of that achievement and then plant whatever I want wherever I want.

I really wish we could have more gardening plots than 9 though

[wet glen]

That is true too Sen

[dusty kayak]

agreed

[wet glen]

Yall are all very knowledgeable lol

If that's the case then is there any other profitable ones I could do if all I gotta do is log on

Then I could log on in morning real fast, then at night when I get home

[grim moth]

I paid 750k gold for the copper and iron storage boxes, gives 10k storage, best thing in game

[wary finch]

which is ofc useless, if you never harvest, lol

[dusty kayak]

thankfully the buffs still work even when the crop is grown so even if its slower income to not immediately replace them it can still be easy to like manage with your limited time

[wary finch]

75k boundher, not 750

[wet glen]

Wonder if they'll add in silver chest/gold/pal

I shutter to think of the cost since iron cost 50k

[dusty kayak]

by the time they add more storage, you'll be one of us, complaining about the gold cap only being 300k

[wet glen]

Lol I can't even imagine that right now

How do I do that

[dusty kayak]

play long enough and it gets easy

[wet glen]

I've got like 2 weeks before I go back to work, possibly 3

[wary finch]

you know what, seasonal with just a quick login per day reminds me of a friend, who works half of the year at McMurdock base in Antarctica and the other half for NASA - is it something like this which holds you back, extreme satellite fees?

[wet glen]

Lmao, no just a concrete foreman lol and full time single dad

Trying to make the most of the time I do have to play

I usually leave the game on and check back every hour to farm to make money so thats why I was asking for some farm solutions for when I go back to work. But also would be interested in womthing that makes me tye most money for now?

[dusty kayak]

if you want to join me in being a worm ruler
you can preserve your crops in preserve jars and then put them in regular worm farms
if you have limited time to activly play the game, it's a decent strategy

since jars and worm farms work off line

[wet glen]

They are better then seeds? And what crops do you use?

Currently using the glow worms for bait

[dusty kayak]

check this doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[lavish temple]

Same. Still not enough.

[grim moth]

Gonna try this, keeping the outer ring of cotton for fabric, potatoes for gold, apples for gold
Alternating the rest for cooking

I'm a lazy gardener and go to garden now and then
Will try 50% to seed and jams
I have 10k storage and don't need gold as yet

[wary finch]

apple trees need a boost 3 times for it to work.

[lavish temple]

Learned that the hard way.

[supple moon]

yeah I had that layout up until yesterday but wanted to ramp up my blueb and apple production for cake parties.

[supple moon]

also why i didn't go 100% weeding prev!

@wet glen my favourite crops vs seeds spreadsheet

[lavish temple]

Also book choy seeds have been mathed out as beating apple jam in a gold per tile per day thing. Haven’t calculated it myself but apples might not be the gold standard anymore for cash crops.

[supple moon]

and crop profits:

[wary finch]

I use this currently, 4 apple trees, 6 blueberry bushes - level 25+ all star seeds

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrBkCrAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-RBkBkBBBkBBBk-CrBBWBBCrAA-NNNNNNACrR-AAABBRBBW-BBRBBBBkBkB-WAABAABAA-AAAAAAAWBk-ABBABBNNN

yeah, one can make quite some profit even with simple crops, carrots, bok choy, rice and wheat for example - quite surprising sometimes.

but that apple blueberry garden creates a lot of experience, skill gain is very fast.

[supple moon]

I'm lvl 21 with gardening, the next closest skill is lvl 15 foraging lol. not worrying about starred crops anymore since i'll probably have lvl 25 by the end of the weekend ideally

[wary finch]

yeah, but with 25+ using star seeds. creates all starred produce, no need to fertilize anything

and because you harvest just starred produce it is never a problem to have starred seeds.

[wet glen]

Lys can you take a picture of your layout? When ixvlick the link it don't make sense lol

Fast levels fast level sounds nice for next few weeks before I go back to work lol

[wary finch]

it is a weird garden, 2 rows a 4 plots plus the 9th plot shifted up by just 1 tile, this is not a bug, but how my garden is.

[wet glen]

Huh lol

[wary finch]

a picture doesn't help much, my trees are in bloom, they basically cover all the view on the layout.

[wet glen]

Lol

[dusty kayak]

i seriously hate that spread sheet because I feel flashbanged by it and recommend checking out Shepp Arenvanya's Palia Gardening Math
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YV_LiHp48shNifWakdZtOI9j6_IqQI0A7dRdr28lHNY/edit#gid=1340449153

[wet glen]

Still don't know exactly what I should do to make the most money till I get back to work so man choices is overwhelming

Wish there was one that was clearly better to do lol

[supple moon]

lol i'm an analyst so spreadsheets are my jam (pun intended) so that's my go to reference 😄

[dusty kayak]

it really depends on your playstyle

im like level 104 gardening XD

because i mostly just idle at my home plot for gardening growth ticks, or decorate there

[wet glen]

Well if I want my playstyle to idle at home while maleing most gardening money would that be what your doing or somthing else?

[dusty kayak]

pretty much what im doing XD

[wet glen]

Cause I don't really play play till night time but I leave it on like your saying all day and check back every hour or so

[dusty kayak]

i do this

[wary finch]

you have to do something every 30 minutes though, like jumping or moving around at least or you will be pushed back to lobby.

[dusty kayak]

yeah i tab back after an episode of a show (22 minutes)

i equip a tool then tab out

decorating rn though messing around

[wet glen]

Okay so basically get 2 more levels then I can do this

[wary finch]

I couild meanwhile open a shop for kitchens in small rooms, have several nice variations of those.

[wet glen]

Would it be beneficially to use the produce boost fertilizer? On what days?

[dusty kayak]

if you are already using crops to harvest boost i wouldnt bother, but if you use fert you should be using it every palia day

and it can stack so it's not that crazy

[wet glen]

Oh is that set up harvest boosted?

I literally don't know what crops do what lol

[dusty kayak]

rice/corn/wheat all harvest boost

check the garden planner website https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[wet glen]

Ok so I can send no money tho by just watering the instead of using the water fertilizer

[dusty kayak]

yeah i water since im already there, water fert would be if you play outside of home more or just wanna log in log out

[supple moon]

@wet glen I didn't understand gardening and crop companions and stuff until I spent some time playing around at this garden planner to see what affected what.

[lilac wind]

does harvest boost work on apple trees? I see to get 24 apples a harvest no matter what and my trees are only bordered by tomato/potato

[hallow wedge]

is it worth more to put cakes in worm farms or sell the cakes outright?

[supple moon]

Yes! I think you need to have 3 crops for harvest boost touching the apples

[lilac wind]

sry I meant the fertilizer. I've tried putting it on daily vs nothing and harvest seems identical

[supple moon]

oh not sure - are you stacking your harvest boost or only applying one a day?

[dusty kayak]

will always be more gold in worm farms but more time for it to process

[lilac wind]

been doing both depending how much I have. am currently running some controls 🙂 but thought this group might just know

[wet glen]

How many seeder do you have out and preservers?

[hallow wedge]

thank you 🙂

[dusty kayak]

I've got only 4 seeders, mostly for inventory
12 preserve jars and 8 worm farms

[wet glen]

And that's optimal for you or could you do more, I don't mind thr clutter

As you can. See lol

[dusty kayak]

id probably have more worm farms for speeding up the process (the more you split things up the faster you get the output) but im at max crafters

[wet glen]

But if have to change a lot cause your saying the regular worm farm are better for the money aspect?

Id*

And I need to make a bunch of preservers

[dusty kayak]

if you sell worms and fert, then regular worm farms
if you fish with every glow worm you get, then glow worms, i swap out the 7th worm farm for a glow worm farm just for a glow worm inventory, but i dont have time to fish like 100 times a day right XD

[wet glen]

Lol

Right now at night I do

So I should be fine leaving them glow for now?

Just change out some of my seeders for preserves?

[dusty kayak]

if you fish a lot and sell the fish for sure

[wet glen]

After I start your farm at level 25*

[dusty kayak]

you can swap around easily so if you need another seed maker or something in a scenario you can remove something else not in use blah blah like that

[wet glen]

Lol ok

6 apple seeds each reset is wild tho lol

[whole anchor]

Max apples max effort all ingredients garden. For the chef who wants money and ingredients. Updated to include new crops.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.SO.SBk.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.S-T.SC.SO.SCr.SA.SA.SCo.SA.SA.S-P.SB.SB.SA.SB.SB.SA.SR.SCb.S-A.SA.SA.SSp.SSp.SBk.SSp.SSp.SA.S-Cr.SA.SA.SCb.SBk.SCo.SA.SA.SC.S-A.SSp.SSp.SBk.SSp.SSp.SA.SA.SA.S-Cb.SR.SA.SB.SB.SA.SB.SB.SCb.S-A.SA.SCo.SA.SA.SW.SW.SCo.ST.S-A.SA.SA.SA.SA.SA.SR.SBk.SCr.S

[wet glen]

@dusty kayak what do you do for your food in the mean time tho?

Like so you food up while you harvest but if that's what you making whatcfood do you make before picking up your harvest?

[dusty kayak]

i invite people over to make petit fives in this discord sometimes XD it's quick, and 600 focus starred

rn im eating food i bought from the last event that isn't starred cause i was trying to collect a bunch of it starred for decor reasons

i need to make petit fives again

[wet glen]

Gotcha so basically I'd have to figure somthing out food wise lol

[wary finch]

24 apples is max per harvest. If you have just tomato and potatoes around, it should be just 12 apples, consider it a lucky bug.

the next tree might not show this, gardens are still buggy sometimes.

[deep flint]

Gosh id love the addition of flower gardening for selling or decoration! Imagine being able to plant shrubs and rose bushes around your plot

[whole anchor]

I guess I am confused when everything went that way, because i did some tests and a few items were better in glow worm farms when i did the test. now everythig I run has 5-10 more gold in standard worm farms which honestly is a bit nonsense for a game mechanic

oh

IF you use the fert produced

the max fert produces a faster turn around time and makes up for the superficial loss.

I need to find that spreasheet again

[dusty kayak]

yeah i said if you are planning to just sell worms and fert as is then it's more money from if you just sold glow worms and fert, specifically

yknow as is

[wet glen]

So I'm confused about these layouts that everyone sharest

They show more plots then we have access too???

Soil plots*

[nimble rapids]

Most of them are designed for people who've reached max soil, but there are some out there for fewer soil plots for beginners.

[wet glen]

No okay I'm just dumb I counted wrong lol

So @dusty kayak in that plot layout you gave me earlier that you do, did you just make your weed plot into another apple tree? Or did you leave it a weed plot?

[dusty kayak]

weed plot XD it's natural weed prevention

i turned it into a mulch

[wet glen]

El o El

I'm so salty I don't have any of the Halloween stuff

I think I'm just gonna add it to the bottom of build as another tree, I don't mind weeding real fast lol.

[cold blaze]

I swear tilled soil always depletes sooo fast until I'm actually trying to run out of it so I can move my plots

go AWAY...

[dusty kayak]

just saying, then you wont have weed prevention which is part of the point of this set up and the left over tree also isn't harvest boosted but yeah you do you just giving a heads up

[wet glen]

But I could harvest boost it? And wouldn't it be partially boosted if I put it between the two rows?

[dusty kayak]

lol whatever you want

[wet glen]

😅

[random pivot]

I had a few worm farms full of cakes I completely forgot about on my spare ghost plot I have 2k+ harvest boost ferts taking up space in my inventory that I don't have use for, nor the gold. I'd love to give them to someone who needs/wants them dm or ping if you do

[harsh gorge]

I forgot that you can’t move your garden around while you have stuff growing

[wary finch]

they have a chosable amount, in order to check out different placements of plots, like my 9th plot, which is shifted by 1 tile, so to reflect that, I needed to choose a 5x2 grid in order to make this work in the planner, but it is still just 9 plots in the garden.

Or let's say, I would like a garden in diamond shape, then I would possibly have to chose something like a 5x4 or something, to model my garden in a diamond shape with 9 plots, but irregular placement.

[wary finch]

you can, if nothing is overlapping and all inside of the plot.

you just cannot pick it up, without it being empty and untiled.

[south reef]

Do ya'll know a good way to level farming? I want the pickling jars so bad

[dusty kayak]

befriend ||naio or zeki||, get apples, level twice a day

[south reef]

ooh i just got apples from the first one not long ago, yay

[dusty kayak]

yeahhh just put some of it in the seed maker so you can get more trees

[south reef]

well apple si mean apple seed but yes, i will

i need fruit for eshes horrible quest ough

[dusty kayak]

yeyeyeye

[hollow fable]

anyone know where to get those farming guides from Milkn?

[dusty kayak]

i can send em

[hollow fable]

yeah but where did you get them from?

[dusty kayak]

i talk to milk lol

[hollow fable]

is milk she or he? and where does milk usually share those graphics lol

[dusty kayak]

dont ask me what the not showing one is i have no idea

@valid plank is milk

[hollow fable]

great thanks!

those the only ones that have been done?

[dusty kayak]

i think she took a pause on it since all 9 weeds on one plot can cause a bug where crops go in reverse

[hollow fable]

oooh..

[valid plank]

^^ I dont play much anymore but Im using a different layout now with the new crops being introduced, it renders weed plots useless now

[hollow fable]

can you share that?

[dusty kayak]

hahaha i still do the apple layout cause im lazy at 105 level gardening XD

[hollow fable]

and speaking of milk hi !

[valid plank]

Hello ^^

[hollow fable]

i love your graphics btw they look great!

[dusty kayak]

they are pleasing to look at and easy to understand

[valid plank]

^^ This is what I do now. They all grow at the same rate and 100% water and weed.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp-Bk.HpR.HpBk.HpC.HpR.HpC.HpBk.HpR.HpBk.Hp

[hollow fable]

noice!

[dusty kayak]

milkkkkkkkkk permission to use in my doc? you genius XD

[valid plank]

ye of course ^^

[dusty kayak]

bless you

[valid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/sneezing-sniffles-irritated-allergic-sensitive-gif-16073531

gifs dont play in this channel. uncomfy.

moonwalks out

[dusty kayak]

do you ever have an issue of them growing out of sync?

[valid plank]

no o: but Ive also limitedly played since the last added crops

has that been an issue o.o?

[hollow fable]

do you put 99 water blocks on all 81 plots?

[dusty kayak]

its been an issue sometimes 🤔 i feel like
pretty sure Ashe told me it was a known issue as well

[valid plank]

I sure do lol. Back when I played a lot it was like a weekend chore

[hollow fable]

wow thats gotta cost a lot

[valid plank]

I have a macro that auto clicks for me and Id watch a youtube video and do it

[hollow fable]

ooh

[dusty kayak]

should i name it "Same Day Harvest" in the doc is that to the point enough XD

[valid plank]

and no :v it was like a pebble in a rock collection compared to the income

but I also played a lot

[dusty kayak]

i feel like the one time i set up a macro for like
moving so i wouldnt disconnect
my macro never like connected to the game

[valid plank]

Quick Hook 10/10

[hollow fable]

81 plots of 99 water is 720k coins ouch

[dusty kayak]

i feel like ive never seen the phrase "quick hook" before XD

[valid plank]

<_< I feel like you didnt consider that you arent purchasing 1 fert at a time

it comes in stacks

[dusty kayak]

its like x20 isnt it

[hollow fable]

i went off your older guides said 8910 to stack to 99

[valid plank]

The graphic Sen posted says how much it will be to buy the fert for each stack amount :P

[hollow fable]

to stack 99*

oooh...

[valid plank]

unless they majorly changed something it should still be that number

[hollow fable]

so whats the total cost for all 81 plots

[valid plank]

8910 = all plots have fert to 99

xD

[hollow fable]

hmm misread that somehow lol

well that clears it up ty

one more question, what do you do with carrots assuming you throw rice/bok choy into seeders?

[valid plank]

I seed all regardless of what looks better on paper because youre going to seed them for replanting later anyways, instead of complicating things I just do all seeds

[dusty kayak]

you can only hold 300k gold btw

teehee

[hollow fable]

ah okay cool thanks

i know that.. thats why i misread it sen lol

[wary finch]

I really don't understand, what purpose those limits on gold and renown have. IMO they do no good to the game in a whole, because some might just feel "well, won the game, what do I play next?" never to return to the game again.

[dusty kayak]

some reasons I could see are

1. beta
2. when new content is eventually added if you have all the gold in the world you could zoom through it and have nothing to do again
   however, I think this is already pointless as well since you can hoard something else for future gold, like seeds and starstones and cake

[wary finch]

but this will always be the case, established players tend to zoom through an expansion within days or weeks, regardless how large of an expansion it might be, happens to all games with dlcs/expansions.

well, not to those with an interesting economy, but Palia doesn't have a player-driven economy.

[dusty kayak]

i make 30k to 40k a day and i'm never done

but anyways, off topic for the channel

[blazing ridge]

thoughts on this pure apple build? 570 over 30 days, which is higher than the combined blue/apple best layout I could think of (208/344) and would produce more gold this way. would need watered and weeded but this suits my playstyle since I usually return home "daily"

[wary finch]

to preserve this amount of apples takes you 27 jars - much too many apples and even my 1 apple tree layout performs better than this. I guess you haven't compared the aftermath (i.e. results after post-processing and realistic amounts of seeders/jars and other crafters) of your builds.

you can try it ofc, but you will be limited to 27 jars, 1 seeder,1 sawmill and 1 smelter -and that's it then.

this build will basically choke everything else and the only seeder has to run half of the available time to produce the replanting seeds. So even juggling your crafters with other options is very (time)limited.

[wary finch]

yeah, it is horrible calculated over 360 days, reaches just about a million gold whereas a good layout can achieve 2 million. It's not just choking everything else, but has an underwhelming performance as well.

Sorry, about being that direct, but I'm an aussie, we don't beat around the bush.

[blazing ridge]

it's all good, I'm new still, only been playing a month. learning and testing things. been preserving apples to sell and blueberries for focus. I'm not looking to maximize profits, already made more than enough gold, just turning my resources out as efficiently as possible (and lazily, hate replanting). I'll give it a test and if it isn't an upgrade to my blue/apple layout I'll switch back. or find something different

[wary finch]

yeah ofc, you can as well just sell the apples, if that is enough income for you, then it doesn't take any jars at all.

[blazing ridge]

I've got 6 apple and 2 blueberry running now, figured I'd switch the blueberry to apple for a simple upgrade. I'd rather have endless focus than endless gold. cooking isn't that enjoyable

[wary finch]

I run 4 apple trees and 6 blueberry bushes currently, which is still manageable, even more apples wouldn't make me any more happy, but starting to choke my operations, not going there.

apples and blueberries are supporting each other, and everything touching those will be speed boosted at no additional costs, why would I want to get rid of my blueberries?

endless money is endless focus as well, because you can just buy focus food from Reth.

why not try it the other way round, get rid of 2 apple trees and plant 4 more blueberries in a pattern, which is pretty much speed boosting your whole garden at no additional costs?

[blazing ridge]

well I'm only on day 1 of this pattern, planted and watered, now time for sleep. if it works it works, if not it still works, lol. can't ever have too much of a thing (except flint)

[wary finch]

ok have a good rest and report back after a while, would be interesting to know, what your final conclusion about your layout will be after you've operated it.

[humble vale]

This has probably been asked a dozen times but: is it stupid to put normal fertilizer on star quality veggies?

Does it do anything for them? Or is the Harvest Booster better?

[slow flame]

What do you mean 'normal fertilizer' ? The 'QualityUp fertilizer' ?

[humble vale]

The poop you get from worm farms 🌚

Not glow worm farms

I suppose yes, it’s the qualityup fertilizer I mean

[gilded arch]

anyone got a good layout for blueberry n apple that rival this?

[slow flame]

The fertilizer you get depends on what you put in the worm farm, you can get harvest boost fertilizer from normal worm farms too.
After that, it depends on your gardening level. Using a star seed gives you 50% chance of getting a star crop. Add 2% chance for each level, so at level 25 using a star seed gives you 100% chance of getting a star crop. The quality Up fertilizer becomes useless then.

[wary finch]

my youngest character is using this past level 25 without any fertilizers, works well enough

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrBkCrAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAA-RBkBkBBBkBBBk-CrBBWBBCrAA-NNNNNNACrR-AAABBRBBW-BBRBBBBkBkB-WAABAABAA-AAAAAAAWBk-ABBABBNNN

as nearly all spots are speed boosted, water retention doesn't make sense, because there is at least every other day something to harvest.

I work with 10 jars, 7 seeders and 2 worm farms, then it's managable, if I don't overdue playtime.

most of the apple jam is sold though, I just have those 2 worm farms to get some normal and glow worms.

[wary finch]

Well, even it's managable, I will most likely add another 8 jars over time, making it less of a hassle.

Reason: ease of use and increasing the income per time unit.

it bothers me to see that many apples waiting to be processed, any apple more in a jar is increasing the average wait to be processed, which in return decreases profit per time unit spent.

[plush badge]

Random question... do people you don't know randomly visit your plot to water and weed it? I've never seen this before, but have several times today.

[wary finch]

I have set all my plots to closed, just npc can visit them. the control to do that is in the housing screen (H) right hand side of the plot selector.

[plush badge]

I have it where editors can change stuff, but I thought it was pretty neat that someone randomly stopped by and watered (My least favorite thing to do.) I just didn't know if this was common.

[wary finch]

it is annoying to those, who deliberately let weeds in certain places to stop weeds appearing. If someone random can just pick them, it is messing up the operation of the garden.

watering is not a problem once you have the exquiste watering can, it is done very quickly.

and the editor thing, wonder how you will think about that, if others "redecorate" your house

[plush badge]

The only people who are editors are my two irl best friends. People who wouldn't do things that I wouldn't approve of without my permission. I'm also editor on their plots as well.

[wary finch]

yeah, that is fine, working with people you know and can trust, but never trust random people, because this will lead to no good over time (I had this issue in games many times, trying to run newbie corporation/guilds), there is always the occasional one, who will steal or mess things up, even if he would just have to ask to be supported - some people are like that nevertheless.

[plush badge]

What do you mean by people letting weeds deliberately grow because of the operation of the garden. Is there a benifit of letting them grow in certain places?

[dusty kayak]

Weedplot my beloved

[wary finch]

there is a bug, in case 9 weeds appear on the same plot, in this case plants grow in reverse. But the game is never adding more than 8 weeds on a single day and will stop, when there are 9 in the garden already. So people think about in which spots they want to let weeds grow and not pick them, until there are 9 in different places. Plants with weeds don't grow anymore, but they still provide their boost.

[dusty kayak]

Yeeee

Sacrificing 9 spots is natural weed prevention

I have 8 weeds on a weed plot i put leaf piles over and 1 weed on a harvest boosting crop elsewhere

[plush badge]

Ah okay. Thank you for explaining.

I hadn't heard of that before

[olive kite]

Does gardening level affect how many crops you get from a harvest?

[dusty kayak]

no but it increases the chance for starred crops

starred crops from starred seeds chances max at 25 and chances for starred crops from regular seeds max at 50

[copper valley]

I severely miscalculated my blueberry harvest time. Like 6 in game days of missed gardening because I'm trying to renovate my plot 💔

[rain stratus]

Good morning! I just unlocked apple trees (1 seed) and blueberries (2 seeds) I was wondering if there is a go to layout for when you get to this point?

[copper valley]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?pli=1#heading=h.jv0nruntpt7t here's a helpful google doc for early farming!

[rain stratus]

Thank you!

[terse crag]

That is so brilliant, the piles prevent harvesting of weeds?? I had someone visit yesterday and pull 4 of my weeds. I'm sure they meant well, but I was gonna switch to your apple cider method and put my weedplot on a separate housing plot.

If just piles work that's awesome b/c I don't have to change layout

[dusty kayak]

leaf piles make it a little more obvious it's a decor set up i think

[terse crag]

Although, I think it'll be super buggy either way. Speed gro is bugged, right? I keep seeing my trees lose Speed gro at different, inconsistent rates

[dusty kayak]

crops in general are funky haha

paliawonk tm

[terse crag]

Fair

Random decor thought: it might be cute to put a pergola over the weed plot, could even box it in with a wall like bugs or folding screens to make sure no accidental weed pulling goes down

[dusty kayak]

someone actually sunk a pergola into the ground creating a garden edging around a soil plot i saw once

[fervent anvil]

Since the update prior to the most recent one, my garden only produces started crops. It's obnoxious and I wish I could figure out how to fix it.

[sand kindle]

Star Quality Crops is a feature of leveling up gardening. There is no fix. I get nothing but star quality and have for a long time.

They really need to fix the trade system so I can trade my crops to help people.

[dusty kayak]

Yeah thats about it they need to let us send starred things

[fervent anvil]

So it's because I leveled up? That kinda sucks since you can't gift started things.

[sand kindle]

yes, you get a 2% chance increase for quality crops every time you level up. At some point you stop getting normal stuff. It becomes a problem when you cook with randoms or when you really want to help someone but can't trade.

I was cooking with a group of randoms the other day, I told them I only had quality crops. They didn't tick off the quality box on the recipes, so all I could contribute was some spices or the sweetleaf.

[terse crag]

Yeah, you can buy basic crops from the Daiya farm but it's not cheap and just clutters storage. Plus you can't buy peppers, blueberries or apples there 😦

Around 25 I was planting basic seeds to try to stockpile the last of my base crops, and id get 0-2 basic apples per 24x harvest

[wary finch]

and it gets as well increasingly difficult to get non-starred apple seeds as well. I saved a few in case friends would join Palia and they'd need seeds. But for as long as the chat is that terrible, I can't get them to even try.

[low vapor]

Rats. I was hoping I’d find out how to get the majority of my harvest normal quality. Everything is coming up starred. Well I guess I will just switch to star seeds now

[wary finch]

I have been thinking about this weed related bug - wouldn't I have the same effect as a dedicated weed plot by just putting 1 weed block fertilizer each on all 9 plots? This wouldn't mess with the operation, I would still have to pick weeds, but there would never be 9 on any plot.

[blazing ridge]

so are you supposed to use harvest boost fert only on the day before harvest? it's not really explained in game

[blazing ridge]

had another idea for a mixed blue/apple which is even better than my old layout. this yields 208/430

[pliant glade]

a late response, but you should apply it every day if possible. basically, each day you add the harvest boost fert it increases the chance of getting the harvest boost, up to 100% if you apply it every day

[blazing ridge]

okay I understand it now, ty. layering a daily roll at gaining the buff. interesting mechanic

[pliant glade]

although i've heard if the plant is also affected by growth boost fertilizer, it might not apply harvest boost fertilizer on the bonus days of growth from the growth boost (since they're not real days), so you may not always get the full chance of a harvest boost in that case

[blazing ridge]

makes sense, so it technically skips a day as opposed to triggering 2 days at once

[wary finch]

this is really nice, but put wheat and/or corn in between rice, that all get harvest boost as well, just look at your rice plots, none of them has harvest boost, because you planted them adjacent to each other.

Corn is not the worst of ideas, because pickled corn performs just slightly less good than pickled potatoes in normal worm farms.

And you can use pickled corn as a focus source as well.

But having some wheat is good for improving your cooking skills, like with ramen or steak dinner. I struggled at start with getting steak dinner done, so maybe you might too, here is a video, which shows the process really well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UIqXEgf3Jo

[blazing ridge]

oh I don't harvest the rice, it's just there to give boosts, and become weed holders

[dusty kayak]

Same

[wary finch]

this is the house of my youngest character with the garden and crafting area on the right hand side, which is near to the pond whilst keeping the general character of the location intact. A square garden would have created a wide open space, which I wanted to avoid.

[wary finch]

hm, there isn't much to see on those above (I'm terrible with the in game camera), so here is the crafting and garden area

[wary finch]

yeah, I really like your layout, if it's just for growing and processing apples. I couldn't do 5 fully boosted trees with just 4 berries in my garden due to it's shape. But like shown above, I have my reasons for not having a 3x3 plot layout.

[muted tusk]

What is the best food item to put into the worm farm to get harvest boost?? Thank you!

[wary finch]

have a look at this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

[wet glen]

Hey @dusty kayak with your set up you showed me before do you harvest the wheat and rice? Or just leave it so you don't gotta replant?

[dusty kayak]

I leave it cause my focus is lazy money
Before though i stocked up on stuff for cooking so id be good for a long time

But you can also join someone else for cooking when youre missing something or request it when you need it blah blah

[supple moon]

redid my garden last night, got most of the crops in their new places and...forgot to save my garden link D:

[wet glen]

👌 okay cool since it's just for money I won't worry about it either and just steady focus on living the afk life, besides I'll get the farming trophy for level 50 eventually wether I've eaten food or not lol

[supple moon]

can also buy it from badruu if you've got the money for it

[dusty kayak]

Ehhh i wouldn't if i could avoid it
Thankfully the server always has people i can cook with if i ask

[wet glen]

I'm gonna make the switch over today just got level 25 last night and my single apple tree should be dieing off soon so I'll be ready to join the veteran farmers lol

[random mountain]

When it comes to crops, should you stockpile them? Would it better to have a large amount of each crop or would you be okay if you just kept 10-15 at a time rather then 100*?

[pliant glade]

depends on a few things, like how often you log in to garden, what you cook and how often, and what crops you have in your gardening layout. i would say 100 is excessive unless you need it for batch cooking. i keep around 20-30 of each and just cycle it back into my gardening layout if i'm close to running out

[wary finch]

that's about how I do it as well.

but I would suggest to stockpile spicy peppers, because later in the game, where all your stuff comes out star quality, you do not really want to plant peppers, as they have quality boost, which you don't need anymore.

[wary finch]

we got the silver trophy at level 25, which basically means, you will be a veteran farmer once you will have gotten the gold trophy (level 50, I guess).

[wet glen]

Lol all things in time

[left portal]

Nice layout. If you want any additional ideas take a look here; the Corn and Napa Cabbage are weed placeholders (and can be replaced whichever crop you want, with the same trait/boost): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HT.HA.HA.H-A.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HT.HP.H-Cb.WCr.WCr.WA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-P.HB.HB.HT.HB.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HB.HB.HCb.WB.HB.HP.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HCr.WCr.WCb.W-T.HP.HA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-A.HA.HT.HA.HA.HPA.HA.HCr.W

[quaint pier]

how i make gold when im asleep irl xD

[wet glen]

@random mountain I'm personally stockpiling to switch over to what she's doing^^

But only cause tomatoes are a easy recipe for soup and I want easy food for a while while I harvest apple trees lol

@quaint pier Can't you turn around and turn those into worms and make more

Or did I understand @dusty kayak wrong

[quaint pier]

you probably can

[wet glen]

Okay idk I might just be wrong too lol 🤷‍♂️

Haven't been playing enough and haven't set up the thing yet to know for sure lol

[quaint pier]

i think you are actually right it just takes alot longer and i dont have that many worm farms xD

i would love if we could display preserve jars i know lots of people have said this already

[wet glen]

Yea that would be cool AF lol

@quaint pier how many picklers you running?

To wake up to that every morning lol*

[wary finch]

If don't need a lot of glow worms yourself, then glow worm farms are not worth it, imo. Reason is simple: value increase of starred apple jam to glow worms and speedygro fertilizer is just 16g. Using this crafter slot instead as a preserve jar, it can convert 18 apples to jam in the same amount of time, which is a value increase of 864g - 54 times as much. I run one glow worm farm, to have at least some glow worms, bit I am well aware of that each one of them costs me 48g for the jam used but as well another 283g in opportunity costs (profit I'm not making because I run a worm farm instead of a preserve jar).

[wet glen]

Soo basically there is more money in worms but you like 6o sell it straight jam?

Or I'm not understanding cause I'm dumb lol

[wary finch]

I don't really need glow worms, because I don't like fishing, I just create 3 glow worms per day in case I will ever use them at all. But from an economical view point selling the jam is 54 times better than this.

opportunity costs are not that easy to understand for many. Like if they mine something and use it, they think it costs them nothing. But if they would have sold it, they would have had money, they now don't have, because they used it - so it cost them actually the market value of that ore, even they mined it themselves - it is the cost of missing out on the opportunity of a better profit option.

[wet glen]

Same for regular worms?

I mean I'm good with it, that just makes my job easier lol

[wary finch]

same for everything on earth, things are never free.

[wet glen]

Hmmm

[wary finch]

the term more money is wrong here, you get more profit by using the crafter slot as a preserve jar instead of a worm farm, because you can process 18 times more apples at a profit margin of 50%, whereas just 1 apple jam in a worm farm at a profit margin of 11.1%, given the same time investment.

[wet glen]

So its faster

Lol

[wary finch]

like I said if you don't need those glow worms yourself, not worth it.

but you have to think like a business person to understand it.

[wet glen]

Well I enjoy fishing so I'll probably keep 1 or 2 up

Plus I'll need them to get to level 50 (eventually)

[wary finch]

that's fine, like my single one as well, in case I want to go fishing (but I guess, if you calculate that correctly as well not worth it, but an expensive hobby)

[blazing ridge]

this 7 apple tree layout I have feels so slow but im ahead on apples and seeds, so it's working, I guess

[wet glen]

I wanna get the atar fishes so I need them at least off that

[blazing ridge]

I like to make star apple pie for glow worm food. gives 3 worms an hour. a little net-negative gold wise but I need worms and they come so slowly

[wary finch]

star apple jam gives you as well 3 glow worms.

[blazing ridge]

but that requires 3h45m to make 3 jams, and then 3 hours for worms. apple pie takes a minute, gives cooking xp, doesn't require the 3h45m jam processing, and nets the same amount of worms

[wary finch]

good argument

[blazing ridge]

worms per apple, that is

[wet glen]

Yes but don't you gotta buy more ingredients

[blazing ridge]

butter. the rest are harvest items

[wet glen]

So time harvesting those things

[wary finch]

he isn't selling those worms, in this case it makes sense, because the other options take longer.

[wet glen]

Neither am I lol

[blazing ridge]

yeah I'm not afk/min/maxing to get gold. I want things for focus, worms for fish, and other stuff to play the game outside my home plot

[wet glen]

Lol I feel you when I go back to work though I wanna be able to afk and make money tho

So when I can play; I can play

Run a little macro with some auto water stuff come home to stuff done or at least half done

Wake up in morning log in that kinda stuff

[blazing ridge]

you don't really need gold to play, unless the playing part for you is buying houses/rooms

[wet glen]

I'm a collector so I need money

I started like 2 weeks ago and missed out on the dragon plush cause I didn't have momey

NEVARRRR AGIIIINN!

[blazing ridge]

I started at the luna event. farmed 120k for 2 dragon plush in my first 2 weeks (hotpot got me so much gold)

[wet glen]

Luna event? Never heard of it lol

Was that the last event?

[blazing ridge]

yeah

[wet glen]

Oh okay

[wary finch]

luna new year event, the chinese new year

[wet glen]

Yea I wasn't fast enough

I mean now I have all my inventory upgrades, my box upgrades, crafter upgrades house is currently being built

But I just wasn't fast enough with the time I had left at the beginning

Also wasn't really paying attention to the fact that the event was already on a extended thing then suddenly ended

[blazing ridge]

yeah, they said "event will end sometime next week" after extending it. then 2 days later dropped the update that removed it. lol

[wet glen]

Right so like I said I need the money lol

Neverrrrr agiiinnnnnn

[blazing ridge]

hotpot was the way. I just turned tickets into wild green onions. best ticket to gold ratio. spent forever just clicking buy 1 at a time. hundreds. thousands. lol

[wet glen]

Yea didn't know anything like that was happening either lol

[wary finch]

hm, what did you think about when you got those ribbons in your mail? didn't you read the mail?

[wet glen]

Nopeee ahahaha

Usually it's just quests so I accept them and just so then lol

[blazing ridge]

well on the topic of gardening, I think I'll keep this 7 apple build until I need some random crop, which I'll farm up after the apple trees wither

[wary finch]

I will keep that with apple pie to glow worms in mind, even I have mass amounts of jam anyway.

so much that I even eat it for focus

[blazing ridge]

random bug watching you down jars of apple jam before throwing a smoke bomb at it

[wary finch]

jam just when I run out of pickled corn, which is hard to do because I carry 30 of them each.

[blazing ridge]

well almost time to run around dragon shrine for 37 minutes. have fun plotting your plots!

[twilit kettle]

hi i’m very new to Palia… when I examine my crops and says stuff like “weed prevention, water retain, etc” am i supposed to be adding something to it? or just leave it??

[wary finch]

those are the boosts that plant gets from neighboring crop.

like carrots, onions and bok choy provide weed prevention to other plants around in north, east, south and west direction.

tomatoes, potatoes and nappa cabbage provide water retain to their neighboring crops.

but same types cannot provide each other with the boost, so alternate them with other options.

rice, corn and wheat provide harvest boost, increase the harvest amount of crops effected by the boost.

[left portal]

Is the winterlights leaf pile the only object that has the ability to prevent accidental weeding?

[normal gazelle]

Is there a way to remove seeds once you plant them? I put some in the wrong spot and wanna move some stuff around

[wary finch]

use the hoe with the right mouse button instead of left, that will destroy the crop, but you will lose the seed. on switch it is with X afaik.

[blazing ridge]

yeah it's x on switch. it "damages" the crop 3 times, so you can stop if you're somehow targeting the wrong square

[solid sentinel]

What’s the best food to produce more than 1 glow worm?

[normal gazelle]

Thank you!

[waxen shuttle]

Anyone have a good afk layout don't need all really just want to max profits with jam and maybe some pies/cakes

[wary finch]

This isn't a reply to your question, just a follow up to @blazing ridgelayout with 5 apple trees and 4 berries. I thought, I cannot do that with my layout, but it is possible, I just have to shift the 9th plot back into it's row.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-CrBkCrWBBBkBB-AAAAAAAAA-BkAAWAACrAA-ARWABBABB-NNNNNNNNN-CAARAACrAA-ABBABBARW-AAAAAAAAA-BBABBARWA-AARAACrAABk

[wary finch]

star quality apple pie, 3 worms.

[left portal]

Use Napa Cabbage and Rice with Weedblock as Weed Placehold-indicators, so no other weeds grow-

A) Best Blueberry: 
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WR.WCrPB.SB.SCrB.SB.S-PTWB.SB.SB.SB.SB.SB.S-CrPCb.WB.SB.SB.SB.SB.SB.S-WTPB.SB.SB.SB.SB.SB.S-CrWTB.SB.SB.SB.SB.SB.S-PCrWB.SB.STB.SB.SP-CrPTR.WB.SB.SCb.WB.SB.S-WCrPR.WB.SB.SR.WB.SB.S-TWCrCb.WB.SB.SCb.WB.SB.S

B) Best Apple: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.WA.SA.SR.WA.SA.SWA.SA.S-A.ST.HA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.S-A.SA.SR.WA.SA.SR.WA.SA.SW-TA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.SA.S-A.SWA.SA.SR.WA.SA.SWA.S-A.SA.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST-WA.SA.SR.WA.SA.SR.WA.SA.S-A.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST.HA.S-A.SA.SWA.SA.SR.WA.SA.SR.W

C) Best Mix of Apples/Blueberries (The extra weedblock fertilizer as deliberate weed placeholders on Tomatoes/Potatoes can land on any of the crop locations but these are the optimal places):
 https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WA.HA.HPA.HA.HTA.HA.H-A.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HTP-Cb.WWR.WA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-P.WB.HB.HT.WB.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HB.HB.HT.WB.HB.HP.W-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HR.WWCb.W-TPA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-A.HA.HT.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HW
D) 2nd best Mix of Apples/Blueberries with more secondary crops:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WPW.HAAAAAA-Cb.WCrATWAB.HB.HA-AACb.WAAPAAW.H-AAACrWB.HCb.WTB.H-B.HB.HB.HB.HCb.WB.HB.HB.HB.H-B.HTCb.WB.HWCrAAA-W.HAAPAACb.WAA-AB.HB.HAWTACrCb.W-AAAAAAW.HPCb.W

I have more if you want/need them.

[frail escarp]

[Garden Planner Mini-Update] — New formula to estimate star chance based on level has been implemented, this is centered around a notion that there's a 2% increase in star chance per level of gardening. Main Settings may have been reset during this change.

Layouts using normal seeds are the most impacted by this change. For layouts using star seeds (default), pre-lvl 25 resembles level 0 gardening and lvl-25+ is still any at lvl 25 and above. Star-seed layouts should face no change in output under these two settings.
Do lmk though if this formula still has a large deviation from your gardening experience.

[blazing ridge]

think I'll go with an apple, blueberry, and wheat layout. apples and wheat into pies and blueberry into cakes. I enjoy solo cooking a bit and could do parties for saving on other materials

[upbeat sonnet]

Starred Apple jam gives 3 glow worms as well. Regular apple jam gives 2

Here's a list
https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Glow_Worm

[wary finch]

yeah, that is what I suggested actually, to put wheat or corn in between your rice in order to have all fully harvest boosted and stuff to cook with as well.

[dusty kayak]

Leaf piles dont have a magic power haha
Its just it makes it easier for people to tell you dont want weeds picked imo

[dusty kayak]

You can but it does take more time so not everyone will

[calm mist]

anyone has some cotton farm with water retain?

[jovial sun]

does anyone have a cute garden i can checkout? looking for some inspiration

[solar moat]

You can check mine whenever your back on

Also I finally got to lvl 25 in gardening but I forgot what benefit I get from it. I think I heard sen say that any unstarred seed gives you star crops but I’m not sure if that was for lvl 50 or not. Can someone confirm?

[vernal bluff]

It’s for lvl. 50. After lvl. 25 all starred seeds 100% give u starred crops

[solar moat]

Oh that’s what it was. Ty

[jovial sun]

Cool! I’ll try and remember to add you when I get back online

[waxen shuttle]

What's best to put in worm farm for harvest boost. Right now I only have 2 glow worm farms. Should I break out the standard?

[wary finch]

check out this https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Glow_Worm

it's very detailed with a long list of outcomes for pretty much all foodstuffs as worm feed.

if you are not that much interested in glow worms, you might get better results for harvest boost fertilizer with a normal worm farm, but then again glow worms take really long to be grown and they are somewhat rare, so yeah, your decision to make, how important those are for you.

btw if you scroll down on this page, you find as well a list of fish, which require glow worms.

[wary finch]

I was just wondering, why I go through the hassle of making apple jam, if I want glow worms and not jam. Certainly starred apple jam creates 50% more glow worms than feeding starred apples directly, but then again, I need no jars for jam production and can install more glow worm farms instead. My garden produces 384 apples in 26 days (harvest and speed boosted), 40 are required for replant seeds, leaving 344 apples, if I feed them to 12 glow worm farms, this requires 312 apples, leaving 32 apples for pies. This creates 624 glow worms in 26 days and 3744 speedygro fertilizer - so yeah, I guess I won't produce apple jam any longer.

this said, running it for 2 full cycles gets me all the glow worms I'll eventually ever use, because I'm not fond of fishing. So after 52 in game days, I can run something else and am done with worm farming.

[jovial sun]

sent a friend request!

[solar moat]

Alright lemme log on

[solar moat]

Ready whenever you are!

[jovial sun]

checking it out rn - i love the backyard

[solar moat]

Thank you.

It took forever to get the trees

[jovial sun]

i can imagine, ive spent hours chopping and only have a few

[blazing ridge]

I was coming to the same realization last night. I have 2 glow worm farms running which should be enough worms for the remaining fish I need (unless I get really unlucky). apple jam is more of an overnight/afk gold farm thing, apple pie for focus. keep a seeder spitting out apple seeds. I have 7 jams running now (sleep+work), will refill worm/preserve when I log in later. let those run afk. I really just need apple and wheat.

[muted tusk]

Is there a way to remove a seed if you planted the wrong one?? Thank you in advance!!

[wary finch]

use the hoe with right mouse button instead of left, or with x on switch

but seed will be lost

[muted tusk]

Thank you!

[pulsar tartan]

Probably a silly question, but I’m wanting to reorganize my plot. If I move my soils will the currently planted crops move too or do they disappear?

[terse crag]

Your crops should be just fine, the only caveat is that you can't move soil plots while any 2x2 or 3x3 crops exist on plot borders

So if you only have 1x1 crops you should be good to go and can just rotate each 3x3 plot and/or move them where you want them

[pulsar tartan]

Sweet thank you!

[terse crag]

np, happy harvesting!

[wet glen]

Officially on the jam grindddddage

[trail field]

Help! I’m on switch and it won’t let me place any more soil plots. I’ve tried in this mode and in the other close-up mode. It won’t let me place soil like anywhere to the left of these patches - I can add some to the right but I don’t want them there lol. There’s definitely nothing in the way but it keeps saying there is

[wet glen]

I'd reset your game, thatsbsolved a lot of my issues in regards to stuff like that

@trail field

[trail field]

I’ve tried restarting

Or do you mean something else lol

[wet glen]

I use pc, so I'm not sure if there's anyone that might know aomthing specific to that

[trail field]

Hmmm okay. Thanks! I’ll wait and see if any switch players have advice

[wet glen]

Yea, sorry

[blazing ridge]

one of your plots might be misaligned. I had a similar issue moving my plots on switch. place things connecting, don't try and bridge a gap

or rotate the plots? idk. the placement of decorations is awkward either way you do it

[pliant glade]

it's almost certainly because of your kitsuu shrine and silverwing nest, try moving them further away

[jovial sun]

anyone have a garden without blueberries and apple trees that is self sufficient/100% water/weeds and a 1 time harvest harvest? tryna make one right now but having difficulties

[trail field]

Oh really?? They’re not that close, weird!! I will try that though thanks

[pliant glade]

they have a massive hitbox for some reason, i had this problem myself

[trail field]

Weird okay! I wasn’t planning to keep them there anyways, have to find a permanent spot for them

[trail field]

That was totally the issue!! Thank you

[frosty sail]

Is fertilizer supposed to wear off eventually? About 2/3 of my garden plots are still fertilized but haven't used any in a couple of weeks

[pliant glade]

it should consume 1 fertilizer per tick, however it won't consume any if you have an adjacent plant giving the same effect. (e.g. you put harvest boost fertilizer down on a carrot, but the carrot is already getting harvest boost from some wheat that's next to it). could that be what's happening?

[frosty sail]

Pretty sure that's what's happening, just asked in the game, all my crops keep coming up starred and no regular ones. It's the peppers XD

Now I have to figure out what crops give which boosts

[pliant glade]

the wiki has a list: https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Gardening#Seed_properties you can also hold a button to see what effects your crops currently have, it's G on PC but I don't know about switch. and of course there's this garden planner which has all that info as well: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[frosty sail]

Great! Thank you so much!! This will really help alot 🙂

[exotic stratus]

How do you obtain more plots

[inland helm]

Level up your gardening skill. ❤️ Once you do that, you can purchase them from Badruu with hard, cold cash.

[exotic stratus]

Thanks

[flat jackal]

im gonna lose it omg

ive been trying to get rid of these hoed spaces because i want to move my soil to a different plot

AND THEY WONT DISSAPEARRRR ive harvested 3-4 diff crops from them and they wont go away 😭

what crops will make them go away i am now going to try potatoes and if they dont work ill crt

cry

[tender coral]

Are there exact times on the in game clock that our crops turn over at? Or is it dependent on when u planted them?

[wary finch]

6am palia time, which is xx:15 in real life, a quarter past the hour..

[dusty kayak]

I like to plant wheat because its an easy cheap seed and just destroy it until the plot untills

[wary finch]

btw @dusty kayak congratulation becoming a mod - imo you are just prefect for this role.

even I somewhat miss that worm ruler tag beside your name

[dusty kayak]

thanks very much

I'll be worm ruler in my worms hearts

[stable ginkgo]

Oh dang! That’s awesome Congrats!!!

[wary finch]

not as easy as I thought to put up 12 glow worm farms, takes 144 flow planks, urgs, so I have just 4 glow worm farms for now, Guess I'll have to deforest bahari to get enough medals to buy the missing ones from Ashura.

[pastel merlin]

Okay so i know this is getting into sweat territory but has anyone seen a farm layout thats very very blueberry and apple tree heavy? Specifically ones that either have really good water retention or really good quality/quantity boosts, im very willing to spend tons of money on stocking up ridiculous amounts of fertilizer lol, i just need something to keep busy on my farm for passive income while i work on my collections

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TPTA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-PTA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-A.HA.HTA.HA.HPA.HA.HT-A.HA.HA.HB.HB.HTB.HB.HP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TB.HB.HPB.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-TA.HA.HPA.HA.HTA.HA.H-A.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HTP-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HTPT

something like this? it's water retained, with harvest boost on the trees and bushes, can probably sacrifice 9 crops to get weed retention (since once you have 9 weeds on the plot, weeds stop sprouting)

[wet glen]

So that apple farm/Turning to jam and some to worms is busted af lol

I barely got it up and running enough to get me through the night as I slept and it already produced 15k while I slept lol

I can only imagine if I get max apple in each container and then make more containers lol

[dusty kayak]

thats the best part
sleep money

[coral moss]

I didn't know a garden planner existed!!

[pastel merlin]

Im gonna be so fr i thought i was asking an insane question but this is actually perfect, tysm 😭😭😭

[wet glen]

You don't need to plan anything just grow apples forever lol

[flat jackal]

i tried to plant and destroy but it wouldnt work 🥹 do i just keep going

[dusty kayak]

i wonder if anyone has solidified info on how long soil stays tilled 🤔

[wet glen]

How do you get all the weed on one plot, that's what I'm trying to know lol

[dusty kayak]

weedblock fert is probably the fastest

weedblock everything but where you want the weeds to go

[humble vale]

Is there a way to delete crops from soil? :<

[dusty kayak]

hold the hoe tool, on switch hold X down, on PC hold right click down

[vestal shard]

omg I didn't know, this is such a big help THANK YOU!!!!! ❤️ .

[neon shale]

What would be the best layout for this spread of seeds that I have?

1x normal apple
7x normal bok choy
26x normal carrot
13x star carrot
7x normal corn
8x normal cotton
7x normal napa cabbage
11x normal onion
5x star onion
9x normal porato
7x normal rice
7x normal tomato
1x star tomato
16x normal wheat
1x star wheat

I also have 184 QualityUp fertiliser, 19 HarvestBoost fertiliser and 5 SpeedyGro fertiliser?

[eager wraith]

@pastel merlin I have 4 apple trees and 5 blue berry bushes and tomatoes in all other spots and it keeps the water retention pretty well on its own

[wary finch]

I guess this compilation by @dusty kayakwill help you out to get ideas https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[blazing ridge]

the math doesn't seem to be mathing to me. 5 apple trees with growth boost is worse than 7 apple without? shouldn't you be able to harvest the 5 twice in the same time as the 7 once?

[analog void]

Does anyone have one (or more) layouts for cooking parties? Focus foods, cake parties, all od it. I know that's a very big, very vague ask, but I'm looking to pump up my numbers so I can more easily join various ones

[worldly belfry]

I noticed something and wanted to make everyone aware, in case they Care. The cost of fabric is less than the cost of a starred cotton so if you turn ⭐ cotton into fabric You're actually losing money.

[wary finch]

you mix growth and harvest boost, growth boost just saves 4 days, 8 instead of 12 days until first harvest.

I guess you meant 5 trees with harvest boost produce more apples than 7 without harvest boost, which is correct.

[blazing ridge]

the planner says 5 growth + harvest boost apple gives less than 6 harvest boost + 1 regular apple

[limpid sierra]

You guys are so diligent with these layouts and boost things 👍
I just plant apples forever. Only plant rice, wheat or chili if I need focus food (Chili D parties)

[slow flame]

Not going to check but there is an option to take the growth boost into account on the garden planner, not sure it is activated by default. There also seems to be a mistake on the number of apples for the last day (6 instead of 16).
Also, the reality will be different too since there's a problem in-game while having both harvest and growth boosts (sometimes the harvest boost is cancelled).

[flat jackal]

hello does anyone have 3 spare blueberry seeds D: i sold mine forgetting to save some for replanting

[slow flame]

I would offer some but I don't think it's possible to give star quality seeds

[flat jackal]

no it isn't ;(

[dawn spoke]

I do

[dawn spoke]

if you are still around let me know and I can send some

[wary finch]

let's see, first case 15 full cycles in the same time as the 2nd option runs 13 cycles (390 days). so we get 15x5x96 = 7200 apples in the first case, and 13x6x96+13x48 = 8112 apples in the 2nd case, so it's correct.

it would already with 6 trees in the 2nd case be that way, because 13x6 > 15x5

[broken pivot]

What do you think of this layout to maximise amount of star quality blueberries?

[wary finch]

yes, because that is our gameplay, fiddling with garden plans 🙂

[broken pivot]

I do have a ton of qualityup fertiliser

[wary finch]

this is one I used, 14 blueberry bushes, plus a lot of bok choy to be made into seeds for profit as well.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-Bk.QB.QB.QR.QB.QB.QB.QB.QB.Q-R.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QB.QR.QB.Q-R.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QB.QR.QB.Q-R.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QB.QR.QB.Q-NNNNNNB.QBkR.Q-B.QB.QB.QR.QB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-B.QBkB.QR.QB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-B.QBkB.QR.QB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-B.QBkB.QR.QB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-B.QB.QB.QR.QB.QB.QNNN

well, I forgot to boost the bok choy as well in the planner.

and if your quality up fertilizer runs out, replace the middle 5 berry bushes with peppers and then there are just a few left to be fertilized.

[vernal bluff]

Most focus food parties are chilli oil dumplings and rice stirr fry. Also most recipes contain wheat and veggie, so it would fit for most:

Pre lvl. 25:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CoTPRWCoCoPT-RCoWWPRPTCo-CoWRTPCoPRW-RWRCCoCBkRBk-CoRWBkCCoRCoBk-RCoBkBkRCCWCo-CoWCoWTRRCoW-WWRPBkCoCoWR-CoWCWRCoCoRW

Pre 25 with peppers:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-SpSpRSpSpTTRSp-WSpSpPSpSpSpPR-SpSpRSpSpPWPT-PWSpSpSpRSpSpW-SpTCrTSpSpPSpSp-SpSpRSpSpWPTP-TWRSpSpWSpSpP-TPWRSpSpTSpSp-RWRSpSpTSpSpP

Post lvl. 25:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-SpSpWSpSpRPTP-AAAAAAAAA-WSpSpRSpSpPTP-AAAAAAAAA-WPWRTRWPW-AAAAAAAAA-WRWSpSpTSpSpP-AAAAAAAAA-RWRTSpSpPSpSp

[vernal bluff]

Also in the last one some of the peppers can be changed to blueberries, forgot to do it ahahah

[analog void]

Thank you!

[rustic tapir]

If I’m level 25+ and planted non stared seed does it give all stared crops ?

[slow flame]

At level 50 you'll only get starred crops from normal seeds. At level 25, it's only 50% (goes up by 2% per level)

[rustic tapir]

Level 50 gardening ?

[slow flame]

yes

[rustic tapir]

Then I’m going to sell all the reserved seeds that i have , thank you

[languid mica]

For planting: Are apples or tomatoes better to sell? I just got 2 apple seeds and I didn’t realize how huge the trees were

[vernal bluff]

Jarred apples and seeded bok choy are the best. Make sure to harvest boost ur apples as well

[ocean arrow]

Has anyone else noticed that even if you have 100% water retention you’ll have some plants that dry out and need re-watering?

Retention is through planting, no fertiliser used

[deep flint]

Ive seen that mostly when a multi-harvest plant is ready. If you leave it unharvested for a cycle it loses its water retention until you pick it and re-water

[terse crag]

yea, that one^ - specifically my tomatoes cause I'm usually pretty good about picking my apples, but kinda neglect the companion crops

however, it's always possible to encounter a bug. gardening do just be like that sometimes

unrelated but I'm buzzing: someone raided my home today and picked all 9 weeds, but I made a friend and teaching moment from it. also I finished my last harvest cycle for my apples so im switching to apple cider method now and just super excited to be able to sequester my weed plot to a dark corner of my plot / another plot entirely

I think it's cool of people to wanna weed/water other people's crops, it's just like the only thing that's inconvenienced me from having an open house, so thanks again to sen aka for opening my eyes to a more elegant orchard design that lets me protecc weeds

[flat jackal]

can i ask why u keep the weeds? @terse crag

[terse crag]

Of course! If 9 weeds are placed, no more can spawn. So on crops you never harvest, the presence of weeds acts like weed protect fertilizer for your entire garden

That means you can get more buffs on your cash crops with less companion crops. In my case, 6 apple trees can have water retain, harvest boost and speed gro, but speed growth is bugged so I'm sacrificing speed growth to keep a super low maintenance layout

[flat jackal]

i didnt know 9 was the max! thats good to know

maybe something i'll try to utilise :3

[flat jackal]

can i see ur layout w palia planner?

[slow flame]

never happened to me
unless you leave a ready to harvest crop in which case it wil 'dry' at the next cycle (the soil not the crop obviously)
maybe you made a mistake while planting

[ocean arrow]

I’d just planted them two cycles before, and I checked everything on both the garden planner and by examining the crops in the game itself to make sure they all had water retain above. Guess it was just a bug ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel merlin]

Does anyone have recs for what to put in worm farms for harvest boost specifically? I want to save my fruit for selling jam and nothing else ive seen has descriptions i understand when it comes to which dishes give what/how many fert

[subtle goblet]

is that the green fert? it uses sweet leaf

sorry that's speedygro, harvest boost basically needs gloworm farms

[pastel merlin]

Speedy grow is the neon green one you get from glow worm farms im pretty sure, i mean the dark green one with the wheat on it

[wary finch]

I found a condition under which 9 weeds can accumulate in the garden, even it is the first login after having left the garden in pristine condition with no weeds on field. It can happen if you don't login on the next Palia day but more than 1 Palia day later. I counted several times 9 weeds in the garden, even there should be at most 8 - so even perfect weeding doesn't protect 100% against the growth in reverse bug.

[wary finch]

if you mean glow worm farms, this is a pretty detailed list of foodstuffs and their effects in glow worm farms https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Glow_Worm

[odd cipher]

Put mountain moral into glow farms then you get harvest boost with glow worms. You can buy the mountain moral from zeki. This is what I do to make extra income.

[pastel merlin]

I thought you could only get the speedy grow from the glow worm farm, im a genius lol

Ive been honestly wasting star quality apple jam on them just for fert and worms i dont need, ty to like everyone who responded so now i can actually use them the right way abtbfjs

[terse crag]

#🌱│gardening message
sorry I passed out, here's the layout I use^

and here's my current weedplot

and here's the janky mess I made on top of it to make sure nobody can climb on my rooftops and jump in. I tested it!

[flat jackal]

would it not be easier to just have the weeds on a diff plot of land ? this is funny thor

[terse crag]

absolutely that would be easier, although I haven't tried it I'm pretty sure it'd work. I just caved to the chaotic thoughts tbh

[narrow widget]

chaotic thoughts stay winning, I love it tho this is something I'd do too lol

[harsh rampart]

do all the trees and rocks reset on a new plot and I can harvest them again?

[flat jackal]

they do not

[harsh rampart]

Oh, that's a bit unfortunate for me but good for the players who don't want to clear them again!

[flat jackal]

do the weeds still grow around fully grown crops if u dont harvest them?

[left portal]

I can help here. Yes, they will; unless there are already 9 weeds, or if they have weedblock fertilizer/companion crop.

[humble vale]

what is the best way to use speedygrow fertilizer?

or -- what is the dumbest way to use speedygrow?

[left portal]

If you have a single type of fruit but no companion fruit, speedygrow will make that fruit grow faster. If you have two adjacent companion fruits there is no point putting on speedy grow because it will not have any affect.

[left portal]

This is basically the same thing, but you can play around with different combinations of crops. I put Weedblock fertilizer to indicate the crop locations where I force my weeds to stay.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-W.HA.HA.HPA.HA.HT.HA.HA.H-A.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HT.HP.H-Cb.WWR.WA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-P.WB.HB.HT.WB.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HB.HB.HT.WB.HB.HP.W-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HR.WWCb.W-T.HP.HA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-A.HA.HT.WA.HA.HPA.HA.HW.H

So you can get a bunch of Wheat or Corn or Rice, depending where you put the weeds

[copper valley]

is the fertilizer bug still a thing?? aint no way my apple tree took 72 fertilizer in two in-game days from switch to pc 🙃

[magic wasp]

Do the effects of harvest boost fertilizer and harvest boosting companion crops stack?

[slow flame]

no, it's the same boost, either the crop has it or not, it doesn't get more efficient

[magic wasp]

Oh, well that's good to know now lol. Thank you

[halcyon gull]

Some may say I have too much time on my hands. I say I had a good time making this 😊 In no way the most optimal layout, but I also want to play the game and not just figure out how to plant my garden with the most beneficial outcome 😅

[terse crag]

super bugged, I had one row losing fert at different rates and another just staying at 90 for a week. I think I'm probably done using speedgro for a while even though it seems so nice for growing apple saplings

of course there's some extra jank happening from me having 9 weeds probably. too many variables and not enough spoons to establish an accurate testplan right now

[copper valley]

Ive just been buying weedblock for my bluebs and apples so it's easy for me to get. It's still just a nuisance regardless.

[pearl lynx]

how do u water my plants, i don’t know if there’s a watering can bc i can’t find it lol

[harsh gorge]

You get the recipe from Bandruu

[neon shale]

This spicy pepper has been inching further and further into other soil slots ever since I planted it lmao

[vestal mortar]

Lol some of mine have been doing that too

[harsh gorge]

I have a whole row of squares that are half into the one next to it… until I plant something and then they behave

[slow flame]

Happens when they're on several 9x9 plots. Just water them a bit and they'll get back in place

[manic meteor]

Yeah I just tip my watering can over them not even actually watering and they move back into place.

[flat jackal]

good to know

thanks haha its always my blueberries doing that 😩

[slow flame]

I just want a cute garden :x

[pliant nymph]

does anyone have a garden layout for cotton and blueberries? or something that adds cotton in general. trying to google isnt too helpful

[torpid grove]

I really like how you used those as outline, looks super cute

[vernal bluff]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BBRBBCoCoRB-CrBBCoBBBCoR-BBRBBCoCrCoCo-CoCrBBBRBBCr-BCoCrCoBBCoBB-BBRBBCrCoCoCo-CoCrRBBCrBBCo-CoCoCrRBBCoBB-RCrRBBCoBBCo

[blazing ridge]

or try this one
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BBWBBCoWCoB-BBWBBCoBCoB-WBBCoBBBCoW-WCoBBBCoBBB-BWBWCoWBWB-BBBCoBBBCoW-WCoBBBCoBBW-BCoBCoBBWBB-BCoWCoBBWBB

[vernal bluff]

How do u change the settings on garden planner on the phone? After it got updated, I can’t change the settings anymore

[blazing ridge]

click this box. it's invisible for some reason

[vernal bluff]

Ohhh, thank u

[flat jackal]

this was my last layout i used where i preferred to optimise water retention over weed block

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCoB.HPCoB.HB.HB.HB.H-B.HTB.HB.HPB.HB.HTB.H-B.HCoTB.HCoPB.HB.HB.H-B.HB.HB.HTCoB.HPCoB.H-B.HPB.HB.HTB.HB.HPB.H-B.HB.HB.HB.HCoTB.HCoP-B.HB.HB.HB.HB.HB.HCoTP-B.HCoB.HB.HCoB.HTPT-B.HB.HB.HB.HB.HB.HPTCo

lol sorrywas figuirng out how to link

[delicate iron]

Can someone explain the gardening planner to me a little? I put in all the seeds that I have available to me (I cant do apple, blueberry or spicy peppers yet.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-WBkWCrCPWPP-PCoCrCrCWRCoW-WCrRBkCoCROC-ROCoCrWCrPCoBk-RCbCbCrWOTTR-TCbWCbWCoCrBkP-CrCbCoWBkRCrWCo-BkOCbWRCrOTCo-CoRCrTWWPBkBk

looking at the Day-by-day tab. On day 3, am I harvesting and replanting? or just harvesting and waiting until day 10 to replant everything and start over?

[frail escarp]

You're replanting on the same day of harvest (so on day 3). The results of the day show your harvest after converting a few of them into the seeds needed to replant

[narrow widget]

it wants you to replant as you pick, you get a cycle going that way since most crops grow at different rates and you're losing money waiting for the entire harvest to be ready all at once.

[delicate iron]

tyvm

[narrow widget]

also if you don't mind me sharing an alternative layout for you.
i noticed you aren't 100% water on your current layout, this one is 100% (with the use of one row of hydrate pro which can be remedied at the cost of some onions/carrots) and uses the similar crops to what you have going on.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.WT.WP.WRWCrOCO-T.WP.WT.WRWCrCOC-P.WT.WP.WRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrOCO-TPTRWCrCOC-PTPRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrO.HpC.HpO.Hp-TPTRWCrC.HpO.HpC.Hp-PTPRWCrO.HpC.HpO.Hp

altneratively you can also switch out some of the onions/carrots with bok choy and potatoes/tomatoes with cabbage if you need those, as those provide the same benefits.
i made the alternative version here for you (and remedied the water issue)

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTPRWCrOBkO-TPTRWCrOCO-PTCbRWCrOBkO-PTPRWCrBkCO-TCbTRWCrCOC-PTPRWCrOCBk-PTPRWCrBkTCb-TPTRWCrPTO-PTPRWCrBkTCb
this has 100% water and 100% harvest boost for you, without the need for fertilizers.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTPRWCrOBkO-TPTRWCrOCO-PTCbRWCrOBkO-PTPRWCrBkCCo-TCbTRWCrCCoC-PTPRWCrCoCBk-PTPRWCrBkTCb-TPTRWCrPTCo-PTPRWCrBkTCb

i also edited this one to include some cotton in case you need that for fabric crafting.

[delicate iron]

cool thanks. im just looking to make $

[narrow widget]

oh okay solid

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkCbCrOPBkCrTO-BkCbCrOPBkCrTO-BkCbCrOPBkCrTO-CPWOTCRPO-CPWOTCRPO-CPWOTCRPO-BkTCoOPBkCoCbO-BkTCoOPBkCoTO-BkTCoOPBkCoCbO

this has 100% water but will require fertilizer for that extra 54% harvest boost but makes 58k over 30 days (nearly 2k daily with starred seeds, i should note)

aim for getting all crops starred if you don't have already

[delicate iron]

the middle one you posted in your 1st post looks like the best, it;s 22K every 10 days

i dont want to have to worry abotu fertilizing, bad enough i've got to manage seed creation, lol

[narrow widget]

it gets so much easier as you go, i hardly have any non-starred seeds anymore. once that ball starts rolling, it keeps going.

[delicate iron]

The crops i chose was just what I have access to, not because i need them, the plan is to sell everything off anyways.

ya my gardening is only level 4. I was about to unlock the 25K backpack and decided to buy the crop plots and get farming going instead. figured it would be the wiser investment 1st

plan to use farming to boost the income to start unlocking all the upgrades

between harvests im running quests and doing some mining here and there

[narrow widget]

just remember when putting your layouts together, crops that provide the same benefit prefer to have a buddy and not a twin. so potatoes and tomatoes for water benefit, not tomatoes and tomatoes. that way they both benefit from the water buff and not just one. :P

when you get access to the preserves jar is when the money really starts rolling in

also starred tomato are way more profitable to sell as seeds, keep that in mind!
farming is still of the best ways to make money, it's my main source of income :P

it's why you want that 100% water bonus so you don't have to worry about coming back every crop cycle to water! just go about your day and come back to it whenever you're ready

[delicate iron]

ya but you need to harvest and replant for most efficiency though right?

[narrow widget]

for now yeah, until you have a surplus of crops going

[delicate iron]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.WT.WP.WRWCrOCO-T.WP.WT.WRWCrCOC-P.WT.WP.WRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrOCO-TPTRWCrCOC-PTPRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrO.HpC.HpO.Hp-TPTRWCrC.HpO.HpC.Hp-PTPRWCrO.HpC.HpO.Hp

I like this one, 100 water and 100 weed defense

oh, but it has fertilizers

[narrow widget]

yeah that's the water issue i was talking about that i fixed in this layout

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTPRWCrOBkO-TPTRWCrOCO-PTCbRWCrOBkO-PTPRWCrBkCO-TCbTRWCrCOC-PTPRWCrOCBk-PTPRWCrBkTCb-TPTRWCrPTO-PTPRWCrBkTCb

it only has 77% weed protection but you can also sell weeds so that's no biggie, 100% water and 100% harvest with no ferts

you can do this one that is pretty simple but at the cost of like -21 daily gold lol
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-PTPRWCrOCO-TPTRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrOCO-TPTRWCrCOC-PTPRWCrOCO-PTPRWCrPTO-TPTRWCrPTO-PTPRWCrPTO

same thing but it just sticks to the basic crops, no bok choy or cabbage

[delicate iron]

that one makes more

2224/ day vs 2257/day

[narrow widget]

i think i might have different settings on my end haha

i'm seeing 2,419/day for bok choy layout and 2,398/day for non-bok

unless it's def time for me to go to bed

[delicate iron]

do you sell off all your crops or you making them into things to sell?

[delicate iron]

You still doing this? you just rotate every 3 days? when do you apply the fertilizer? the day you plant or day 2?

[valid plank]

Rotate? Everything is done every 3 days. I replant. I stack 99 fert every weekend. Usually lasts all week. I don't play much anymore now.

[delicate iron]

i guess im a bit confused when you say you stack 99 every weekend

[valid plank]

Fert can stack up to 99 on each square

[delicate iron]

every 3 hours (3 in game days) you can harvest and replant and make around $7k gold

orly?

but you still have to harvest and replant for it to consume the fertilizer though right?

[valid plank]

Fert stays after harvest

Don't understand the question I think

[delicate iron]

I mean, lets say your only logging in 1 time per week to harvest and replant. The 99 fertilizer stack, only 1 is consumed during that time right? it's not continuoulsy consuming fertilizer if your not farming

[flat jackal]

i put mine into tree jail haha

[valid plank]

No. Only one tick of growth happens while you're offline anyways.

[delicate iron]

oh, i thought crops grew 24/7

[valid plank]

Only when you're online.

Offline growth only ticks once.

[delicate iron]

So if you were actively playing, you dont need fertilizer to keep it watered cause you would just manually water ?

[valid plank]

If you want to manually water sure.

[flat jackal]

u can manually water, plant and grow water retaining crops or use hydro fertiliser

me personally I hate watering 🤣 so I use retaining crops

[delicate iron]

I guess my needs are kind of changing. Now I'm looking for something simple, less maintenance, that has a decent profitability. Something that will help me level up so I can get into the bigger $ making processes

[valid plank]

Lol I made 65k a day when I played every day

[delicate iron]

I like Milk's idea of just 3 crops. Makes managing the seed makers easier.

[valid plank]

I wouldn't call it a low money making process. Because of the fast processing and grow times it puts out great profit

[delicate iron]

when my current rotation completes, I'm going to switch to your layout and give it a try

[valid plank]

Glgf in your adventures

[delicate iron]

at least until I hit level 8 and can unlock the preserve barrel

[flat jackal]

i just did potatoes and tomatoes to make money

and seeded them

then i got lvl 10 and unlocked blueberries

[amber ledge]

Yesterday I finally am able to get pepper seeds but the game wouldn’t let me plant them? "The garden is not empty". Surely I do not have to start over? Bug?

[dusty kayak]

Takes 4 spots

Instead of a single one

Same with blueberries whenever you get those

And apples take 9

[amber ledge]

Ah. Well. I hope it is worth it 😆

Thank you!

[gritty prairie]

Hi everyone! I have been scouring the internet trying to find a good AFK farm layout for maximum profits. I have come across a million different layouts, but none explain what to do with harvested crops... what do I turn into seeds and preserves? I am gardening level 16. Please help! D:

[vernal bluff]

Hii, do u have peppers and/or blueberries and/or apples already?

Basically u seed only blueberries and bok choy (and like the crops that can only be seeded) Everything else u jarr

[gritty prairie]

I have all of those! What do you mean only crops that can be seeded… can’t you make seeds with any crop you have handy?

[vernal bluff]

You can seed any crops, but u can’t jarr e.g. rice or wheat. So these along with bloobs and bok choy go into seeders. Other crops in jar makers

[tawdry ether]

What level of gardener do I need for the small greenhouse that you can buy at Badruu?

[prisma notch]

Skill level 20 I believe ❤️

[tawdry ether]

Thanks 🤍

[mystic anchor]

Not sure if anyone else has said this, but you can clear tiles that have plants growing in them. You use your hoe but hold down right click instead.

[light sinew]

oh thats good to know

[boreal anvil]

Is the garden hoe worth upgrading?

[light sinew]

that was honestly the last thing i bothered upgrading

[boreal anvil]

That’s what I’ve been doing, I haven’t upgraded it at all

[light sinew]

i found upgrading to fine was def worth it but idk if the finaly upgrade above it was really all that great tbh

[boreal anvil]

What benefits does the fine hoe have?

[light sinew]

plows a larger area in one go

[boreal anvil]

I’ll definitely consider upgrading it up till fine, it does seem beneficial

[flat jackal]

does anyone have one spare apple seed 🙏

[sonic spruce]

I only have starred 😞

[flat jackal]

that be how it is 🤣

[copper valley]

I don't know how I timed it but my entire garden was harvestable at the same time- crops, apples, and bluebs

[vernal bluff]

I think I won one from Zeki, if u still need

[lean birch]

Does anyone have a layout that has a bit of every crop?

[dusty kayak]

got a couple in here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

[merry sonnet]

what do you do with the harvest? before unlocking preserve jars

[dusty kayak]

seeds for most of them probably

[rain storm]

question 🙂
if 1 crop grows, and i leave it in the ground.
will another crop still benefit from its bonuses if i leave it planted?

[dusty kayak]

yes i leave harvest boosting crops by apple trees forever

[rain storm]

what a good idea!

corn and wheat forever maybe!? 😮

does harvest boost crops stack with harvest + fert?

[clear kindle]

no they don't. you either get the crops or the fertilizer, but not both at the same time

[flat jackal]

i got one now thank you

[static parrot]

give me the witchy water dangit

[digital tapir]

This is the garden plot I use

[abstract niche]

That's a nice chart.

Is that an app?

[dusky anchor]

i use the garden generator on paliapedia

[dusty kayak]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[echo crystal]

I can’t get a good picture bc phone but this is mine

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.WP.WR.HCb.HB.QB.QBk.WB.QB.Q-BkCbRO.HPW.WC.HTCr.W-Bk.WCb.HT.WSp.QSp.QP.WSp.QSp.QR.H-RW.WCr.WCbPTBkO.HC.H-A.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.QA.Q-C.HO.HBkTPCbCr.WW.WR-R.HSp.QSp.QP.WSp.QSp.QT.WCb.HBk.W-Cr.WTC.HW.WPO.HRCbBk-B.QB.QBk.WB.QB.QCb.HR.HP.WT.W

It’s my first layout since getting apples/berries, and it’s designed to produce some of everything

(Except cotton, but I farmed a ton of it while grinding to level 10 so I’m set for a while.

I rotate the rice/bok choi on the blueberry squares with the other two crops with the same bonus

It’s not the most optimized for $$$, but it’s pretty low-maintenance and, most importantly, it’s aesthetically pleasing

[quaint pier]

how to create the best gold farm ? i have unlocked all seeds/crops. and almost all of crafting licenses..

[left portal]

I have been working on optimizing my own cooking oriented farm, and breaking down the steps to get weeds to land on the correct positions the fastest possible:

Step 1) Get weeds to grow on 2 of Harvest Boost (Rice) locations in the plot layout below. If you get more than 2 weeds on Rice you have a choice either a) leave them there and you will get more Water Retain crops or, b) remove the extra weeds and you’ll get more Harvest boost crops. Also get at least 2 nearby Water retain (Napa Cabbage) in these positions - there are 8 total weed locations in this step and in my example we go for more Harvest boost crops so we will keep 6 of them permanently: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RNNNNNCbNN-NNNNNNNNN-CbNRNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNNRNCb-NNNNNNNNN-NNCbNNNNNR

Step 2)
It doesn’t matter which corners receive the weeds, as long as they are diagonal from each other. So in my example we put them in the top right and bottom left. If the weed grew in a non-diagonal, simply rotate the crop and move it to the correct locations when the Apple tree fades. In this step, get the remaining 3 weeds to grow on any of the Water Retain crop marked positions. Corn is marked as a crop we have changed from Rice, with no weed, because we want to collect it in future.
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HNNNNNCb.QNN-NNNNNNNT.QP.Q-Cb.WNR.WNNNNNN-P.QNNT.QNNNNN-NNNNNNNNN-NNNNNP.QNNT.Q-NNNNNNR.WNCb.W-T.QP.QNNNNNNN-NNCb.QNNNNNCr.H

Step 3) The final layout: Cotton is a placeholder for any type of crop (it doesn’t matter what boost). Water retain fertilizer is to show that crop must be one of the three water retain crops and it shouldnt get a weed due to being adjacent to harvest companion crop (corn used as indicator, but can be any harvest boosting crop). Quality boost fertilizer indicates a crop where a weed can grow, freely, with no disadvantage (due to not being adjacent to harvest boost compaion). Weedblock fertilizier indicates where a weed should grow, due to missing a companion crop:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.HA.HA.HP.HpA.HA.HCb.QA.HA.H-A.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HT.QP.Q-Cb.WCoR.WA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-P.QB.HB.HT.QB.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-A.HA.HA.HB.HB.HP.QB.HB.HT.Q-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HR.WCoCb.W-T.QP.QA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-A.HA.HCb.QA.HA.HT.HpA.HA.HCr.H

[fallow owl]

I’m super impressed with how people plan out their Palia gardens. I’m gonna make a confession, though. I plant my Palia garden the way many people cook in real life: I just follow my heart 😂

[muted lark]

Honestly hahaha, i'm the same... I just plant it where its convenient

[amber ledge]

I am so excited to have been able to buy the last square of soil for a 9x9. Woot!

[slow flame]

This is my everything garden layout, does anyone have any suggestions for getting the harvest boost buff without using as much fertilizer?

[merry sonnet]

is it more profitable to sell normal crop or crops converted to seeds?

[stable ginkgo]

Convert to seeds or preserves depending on the crop. Boosts income by up to 2x

[narrow widget]

I think you jar everything except potato seeds and rice/wheat/cotton.

I have to double check my note when I get home and I'll post it here, I can't find the original post that I grabbed it from unfortunately.

[dusty kayak]

i heard cabbage is a 100% profit as seeds

[hybrid crypt]

I think Napa/bok choy seeds are more profitable? May be wrong

but that’s what I do

[narrow widget]

You guys are prob right honestly lol

[dusty kayak]

you can check some stuff with this
https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[hybrid crypt]

i am annoyed that star cotton produces regular fabric and goes down in value lol

[frank hedge]

Does anyone use/have a layout available that uses every crop and is both 100% water retain and weedblock without fertilizer?

[dusty kayak]

yeah we need starred fabric

[narrow widget]

Right?

[dusty kayak]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.owh1z2bfjhhk

[frank hedge]

Oh my!

[narrow widget]

The gardening community is great

[dusty kayak]

[frank hedge]

I recon thats cuz of the weed 😂

But thanks a million!

[sick robin]

hey random question is anyone else having trouble growing regular quality vegetables? i seem to only get starred an its upsetting for request fulfillment

[sharp coyote]

are you growing from normal seeds or star seeds

[digital tapir]

For ever level of gardening is a 2% chance to get starred crops

[narrow widget]

I believe it's because your starred rate goes up with your level.

[digital tapir]

So starred seeds and a level 25 gardening is a 100% chance for starred crops

I also meant 2%

I changed it though

[serene thicket]

When u are at lvl 25 you have 50% chance of getting a starred crop and it keep increasing at each lvl til 50 where all the crops are starred so if u wanna help pple with their requests you’ll need to buy the crop at badruu’s shop

[dusty kayak]

as you level you will essentially have higher and higher chances for starred crops until you never see regular crops ever again

never.... ever again

[digital tapir]

I loved how everyone started typing at the same time

[serene thicket]

Yes ahah past lvl 50 you can only acquire unstarred crop by buying them

[serene thicket]

Me too

[sick robin]

thank you guys i thought my plot was bugged or something lol

[delicate iron]

Reached lvl 10 gardening. whats my next step for most profitability? ben doing bok choy preserves.

[sharp coyote]

that's one of the best thigns tbh

I also do blueberry preserves to put in worm farms and then apples to sell

[dusty kayak]

cabbage seeds have been known to be good

[delicate iron]

ok so just stay on the bok choy? dont upgrade to apples or blueberries?

[dusty kayak]

i strictly ONLY do apples so idk lol

[delicate iron]

haha ok

[dusty kayak]

theres a lot of ways you can make money

[sharp coyote]

I think the 'good' ones are the bok choy and cabbage, potatos and tomato seeds, apple preseves

[dusty kayak]

ive only been doing apple trees for like 40 gardening levels

varying 30k to 40k an IRL day with apples to jam, jam to regular worm farms, sell output

[sharp coyote]

I do a variety of things tbh bc I'm still in the middle of crafting everything under the sun and cooking things

[sharp coyote]

thats what I do too, I only have one of each farm so I only average like 15/20k but it's good profit ye

[dusty kayak]

its just good afk / sleeping money haha

[sharp coyote]

fr

I'm in college so

[dusty kayak]

so valid

[narrow widget]

Got that list for you

Apples - Jar
Blueberries - Jar
Peppers - Jar
Corn - Jar
Onions - Jar
Carrots - Jar
Napa Cabbage - Jar
Tomatoes - Jar
Rice - Seeds
Wheat - Seeds
Cotton - Seeds
Potatoes - Seeds
Bok Choi - Seeds