🌱│gardening

[robust thistle]

try this if you want the potatoes and onions to also be water retained and weed prevented. dont plant anything in the very middle, you get 32 1x1 plants

[rain storm]

dont plant anything in the middle? 😮

[robust thistle]

well you can

like

the very middle 1x1

just 1 spot

it wont be weed prevented or water retained without fert

you wanted corn and wheat right?

[rain storm]

im done with corn and wheat now 🙂 just wondering if there was a garden layout for water/weed base i can place stuff 🙂

[robust thistle]

oh cool

[robust thistle]

this is the layout i use if you get weeds on 9 of the 10 crops in the first pic, you get 100% water retention, 100% weed prevention, 100% quality boost (above lvl 25 gardening with star seeds) and 100% harvest boost with harvest boost plants 🙂

#🌱│gardening message

just dont harvest the weeds

[cinder tartan]

the fact tomato seeds sell for more than the tomatoes makes me laugh

[dusty kayak]

well the seeds take 3 tomatoes to make, but yeah it's still profit in the end

[cinder tartan]

true

[wary finch]

it's a game, it doesn't have to be logical, think of 10 apples for 1 apple seed, whereas real apples have multiple seeds in every apple.

[true saffron]

do weeds slow down growth at all? is there any benefit to getting rid of the weeds before they're ready for harvesting?

[clear kindle]

yes, they do slow down the growth if you don't pick them. but some people have made sacrificial plots where they allow the weeds to grow on with out being picked. the plots can only have 9 weeds on it at a time, so having 8 weeds on crops that you don't mind not harvesting, you will never get weeds on the other crops.

but you need to be careful doing this, as some have said that it can cause some of your other crops to reverse grow, so you need to pluck the 9th weed that spawns before the next growth tick

[true saffron]

good to know ty

[wild hazel]

What do you mean by this? Don't remove the weeds?

[clear kindle]

look at what i said a little bit above

it basically becomes a permanent weed prevention

[slow flame]

and before you know it...

[shut hearth]

🥳

[hybrid bolt]

woops I had to delete my message due to some of it was wrong

[dusty kayak]

Im getting there lol at 98

[slow flame]

It really goes up fast with a bit of care 🙂
I barely did any gardening when I started but it kinda grew on me

[dusty kayak]

[jovial sun]

how much does the plot cost increase by? 250?

[bold sapphire]

any suggestions for improvements?

rice gonna have rotation of cotton

[dusty kayak]

Put wheat by the corn to harvest boost the corn would save you on harvest boosting fert

Just one in between 2 at least

Corn wheat corn corn wheat corn

[bold sapphire]

i have over 500 stacks for harvest fertiliser i really need to get rid of it

[dusty kayak]

Fert and worms are my main income lul

[bold sapphire]

but i already bought everything, only lucky coins now, not really interested that much in money making, just trying out different mechanics

[dusty kayak]

Im never not buying things xD
Mod kits and rugs add up haha

[bold sapphire]

thats true, im addicted to rugs XD

if i have nothing to sell i just sell heartwood planks lol

[dusty kayak]

I can do 30 to 40 k a day and ive never hit cap xD

[jovial sun]

i understand the name now

[dusty kayak]

🪱

[jovial sun]

i need to get more worm machines set up

[bold sapphire]

what do u usually feed works with?

[dusty kayak]

Its apple jam bby

💰

[bold sapphire]

isnt apple jam more worth to sell on its own?

[dusty kayak]

Nope

[bold sapphire]

gotchu ill try

for both, normal and glow?

[dusty kayak]

Glow worm is still slightly better than apple jam alone but its less worth it

[bold sapphire]

id say PIN IT

[jovial sun]

the strategy

[dusty kayak]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

Worm and fert doc

[bold sapphire]

[slow flame]

I'm doing a spreadsheet right now comparing the income per palian day and 1x1 plot for crops, seeds, preserves, worms + fert, glow worms + fert
Apples aren't looking too good
But of course they're low maintenance

[dusty kayak]

Its upside is afk and machines run when offline imo xD

If 30k to 40k a IRL day isn't good i don't care about being good LOL

[jovial sun]

how many worm stands do you have

[dusty kayak]

7 to 8 worm farms and 12 preserve jars
i swap the 8th worm farm out for glow worm if i need to make a supply of glow worms for fishing

[slow flame]

8 worm farms, 3 glow worm farms, 13 preserve jars...

[slow flame]

Another upside is that you don't need as many jars for preserves, so there's less waste

[dusty kayak]

yeah i just have this many to split them across 10 per jar

[jovial sun]

how much gold do you make o.O

[dusty kayak]

30 to 40k depending on how much i garden idle

an IRL day

[jovial sun]

damn

[robust thistle]

yes

dont remove them, you can only have 9 weeds grown at a time so if you sacrifice 9 spots, you get 100% weed prevention on the other 72 spots

[robust thistle]

i havent had this issue, i might just be lucky but maybe as long as the 9 weeds arent on a single 3x3 (plot) then i think it should be fine?

[dusty kayak]

yeah i put 8 on one plot and left 1 on a harvest boosting crop and just leave it there

[calm mist]

when is the best to use harvestboost?
is it when you plant the seed or when the vegs/fruits ready to pick?

[clear kindle]

i've always put it when i plant the seed, because you have to keep applying it for it to be effective i believe

[dusty kayak]

fert gets used every growth tick, gotta use it every time for much effect, yep
just stack fert and it'll get used only when a crop grows on it (will pause if nothing is activly growing and remain on the spot)

[wild hazel]

So do you plant the first 9 crops first and wait till they all get weed? And after that, complete your layout?

[dusty kayak]

i just put weedblock down until i didnt need to anymore / 9 weeds were set

[olive kite]

What is the best way to get non quality crops? I'm level 46 gardening and seem to only get star quality crops now, even without fertilizer or quality seeds 🥴

[chrome anchor]

I know that I should know this but I have just had a massive brain fart lol but do I put fertilizer on before watering the crops or after? Any help appreciated 😃😃

[serene thicket]

If i remember correctly you can buy crops at badruu’s shop at the farm they should be non starred

[slow flame]

At level 46, your chance of getting a normal crop out of a normal seed is 8%, and 92% chance of getting a star quality one. (levelx2) At level 50, it's 100% star quality.

[dusty kayak]

yeah welcome to oops all starred

[serene thicket]

Ahaahah well yes

[serene thicket]

You can do both!

[olive kite]

Ah thanks for the info 😄 yeah to be fair I am probably better off buying regular crops from badruu then lol thanks guys ☺️

[chrome anchor]

Thank you. 😊

[olive kite]

The more I think about this, the more I'm 🤯 quality boost fertilizer really becomes redundant then lol

[slow flame]

It's good when starting, totally useless later. And crops that give that boost get annoying when you create new layouts

[quasi ice]

I know almost nothing when it comes to gardening, does anyone have some tips on what I should be doing?

[dusty kayak]

id say to read the guide : D
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit?usp=sharing

[quasi ice]

Alr ty !

[quasi ice]

Just finished reading, that helped alot ! thank you !!

[dusty kayak]

glad it helped :)

[blazing ridge]

if I don't harvest the crops will they just stay there and provide the boosts essentially forever?

[dusty kayak]

ye

[vestal lodge]

I think im gonna try this for my next plot layout!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CCbBCbCrBAAA-BCrBBBkBCbCCb-BCbCBCrCbAAA-AAAAAACrCbCr-AAAAAAAAA-AAAAAACrCbCr-AAAAAAAAA-CbCrCbCrOCrCbBkCb-AAAAAAAAA

[vestal lodge]

Wait, doesn't that make cooking harder? For like blueberry apple and pepper dishes especially?

[clear kindle]

not really, you just have to make sure to hit the "use star quality items" box before starting the recipe

[tropic ermine]

Thank you for sharing this guide! I hadn't seen it yet.

[tropic ermine]

This is my current garden plan (for Lv. 25+, about 80k): https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PRPTCrTPRP-AAAAAAAAA-RCrRPTPRCrR-AAAAAAAAA-RCrRPTPRCrR-AAAAAAAAA-PRPTCrTPRP-AAAAAAAAA
If I am happy with how many glow worms and cooking ingredients I have and just wanted to focus on income, should I switch to a tomato-focused layout?

[main shoal]

How do I get blueberries??!?

[tropic ermine]

Be good friends with Badruu and keep on gardening. You'll get there!

[agile dagger]

How do I make my gardening better? (While keeping Apple trees and Blueberries) https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-TTTTBBTBB-AAAAAAAAA-TBBTBBTTT-AAAAAAAAA-TTTBBTBBT-AAAAAAAAA-BBTBBTTTT-AAAAAAAAA

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCbTAAAAAA-CbTABBABBA-AATAACbAAT-AAABBCbBBT-AAAAAAAAA-TBBCbBBAAA-TAACbAATAA-ABBABBATCb-AAAAAATCbT

kept the same amount of apples and blueberries, but made it 100% water retain. however you can also change out the tomatoes and cabbage for other crops depending on what you want/need. if you use this layout, would recommend putting harvest boost fertilizer on the apple and blueberries at bare minimum, otherwise i would do a combination of wheat/rice/corn for that harvest boost

also this way gives you growth boost on everything

[agile dagger]

Omg TYSM!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[clear kindle]

same layout, but swapped in rice and corn with water retention fertilizer for everything which could get expensive very quickly

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-R.HpCr.HpR.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-Cr.HpR.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.Hp-A.HpA.HpR.HpA.HpA.HpCr.HpA.HpA.HpR.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpCr.HpB.HpB.HpR.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-R.HpB.HpB.HpCr.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-R.HpA.HpA.HpCr.HpA.HpA.HpR.HpA.HpA.Hp-A.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpR.HpCr.Hp-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpR.HpCr.HpR.Hp

there we go

[agile dagger]

Tyyyy!! 😭🙏🏻❤️

[remote sorrel]

What's the most efficient thing to be putting in worm and glow worm farms to get harvest boost fertilizer?

[terse crag]

That's an interesting question I don't know the answer to, but maybe this fertilizer outcomes sheet will be useful to you - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

In my opinion, mountain morel is the most efficient thing, because if you buy it from Zeki's shop for 16 gold and feed it to your glow worms, you get 40 gold worth of glow worm + harvest boost fertilizer. this is the most profitable buyable item to glow worm exchange, and makes me a little over 40k a week

[iron plinth]

Guys in the worm farm hopper is there a fave to make worms and something different to make the fertilizer ?

[wary finch]

if you care for weeding this cannot happen anyway, you get never more than 8 weeds on a single day.

[wary finch]

when you check the use star quality with cooking, make sure, that you have stored all star quality stuff, which you don't want to be used in cooking, in your secure lock box.

[wary finch]

oh this is a rather cool hint, never thought about that like this.

[wary finch]

in a glow worm farm there is nothing better than star quality apple jam, because it gets over the threshold and grants 50% more worms than anything else.

[iron plinth]

I dont have the glow worm farm its just the normal one

[wary finch]

pickled potatoes then

I use pickled corn though, because I want the harvest boost and pickled corn is just slightly worse than pickled potatoes.

[iron plinth]

to make more worms or fertilizer ?

[wary finch]

it is good for both, 11/28 with star quality.

[iron plinth]

but im not pickling yet I've not got that far lol

I'm low lvl lol

[wary finch]

then feed what you have available.

[iron plinth]

but I keep getting more worms than poop lol

[wary finch]

you will progress rather quickly and then you can pickle stuff as well.

stock up on fabric meanwhile, you will need it for preserve jars.

and buy something from zeki's every day, those lucky coins can eventually give you an apple seed, happened to my youngest character.

can be something like a single salt, cheap and he will send you a lucky coin.

have a look at this

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

ah pickled potatoes are 12/31 in star quality, those 11/28 are for pickled corn in star quality.

from my point of view pickled corn is the better option, because you profit from harvest boost rather than water retention with potatoes.

I plant pairs of corn/bok choy in between other stuff, pickled corn for worm farms, and seeding bok choy has a 100% value increase.

once you have blueberries, plant these pairs in between your blueberries, then you can harvest bok choy every other day.

[iron plinth]

where do I get the pickler things from ?

[wary finch]

from badruu once you have the required skill level.

[iron plinth]

ok thanks

[wary finch]

plant stuff which grows quickly, skill gain is from harvesting only.

and as long as bok choy isn't nerfed, plant that, it has the highest value increase if you seed it.

[vestal lodge]

I think blue berry jam ( and maybe blueberries?) make harvest boost fertilizer in the worm farm too, so that could also help if cost (or desire to almost never leave the house) is an issue.

I keep saving really cool layouts like this then forgetting where I saved them when its time to replant

[cyan shoal]

I really hope not. Gold is hard to get during early and mid-game, there's no need to keep punishing players by nerfing absolutely everything into the ground.

[wary finch]

it is the only crop with such a huge value increase with seeding, so I don't know.

[wary finch]

save them, copy the link, reload it with this link and bookmark it in your browser in a new bookmark group, done.

[vestal lodge]

...Bookmark them? I have virtually never bookmark from my phone browser, so this reminder feels like a blessing and a curse

[wary finch]

yeah, maybe,then do it from your pc.

[vestal lodge]

Oh, I play on the switch and dont use my laptop that often, but my phone will work fine. I was being goofy about it, but that really was helpful advice

[stoic marsh]

Hi, is there a tool to use that plans your garden for you? With all the boosts and things that different crops give you, it's so overwhelming to plan it myself 😦 I know there is 'palia garden planner' online, but that's for player that want to plan it out themselfs. Is there a tool to use that does it for you?

I know it sounds lazy, but it feels so overwhelming to me😭
I also have a different layout of my garden plots because I loved the way it looked, but now I'm struggling so hard 😦

[clear kindle]

don't think there is one yet to make the layout for you

[stoic marsh]

I have my garden plots like this (excuse the bad picture, I can only use my tablet for planning this whole thing)

[stoic marsh]

Okay, thank you for letting me know

I'll try to plan something myself, and otherwise I'll just plant it all randomly because it's not worth the stress it gives me🤣

[vernal bluff]

If u tell which boosts you want to have, I’m sure some people can share their layouts with u

[clear kindle]

honestly, a lot of people have asked for help with layouts and others have come through for them with options

[stoic marsh]

I don't think there will be a lot of people that have the same garden plot layout as me? 🙈 And my whole house plot is packed with stuff so I can't change it very easily

[clear kindle]

we don't have to have the same layout with our own plots, but i've actually pulled up the planner with the layout you showed to see if i could help (or at least give suggestions)

[calm mist]

any recommendation layout without apple?

[stoic marsh]

I'm just looking for a layout that does have all the crops in it, for cooking and the preserve jars as as well. If it can retain water, that would be amazing, but it's not a must have or anything. I would just really want to keep the plot layout I have right now🙈

[vernal bluff]

Do u have bushes or apples already?

[stoic marsh]

That's so kind of you!

[stoic marsh]

I have an apple tree in the middle plot but I think it only has 1 harvest left. The rest of the plots are empty because I wanted to redo it all

[vernal bluff]

What level are u and which boosts would u prefer?

[calm mist]

any boost you would recommend, i just dont want to water it every dang morning

[vernal bluff]

What level are u in gardening?

[calm mist]

i want berries tho

[stoic marsh]

Level 27

[vernal bluff]

Here is a layout I could do with 100% water and almost 100% harvest (except two crops) and every crop is used at least two times:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-101-101-101-111_CROPS-PCbPCrWCrAAA-PTPWCrWOBkC-AAAAAACbTCb-TPCbCrRCrCoCoCo-RCrRAAAAAA-PCbPCrWCrOTR-AAAPTPWRW-P.HT.HCBBCrBBT-BkPCrRSpSpPSpSp

[vernal bluff]

What level are u in gardening?

[stoic marsh]

That's awesome! Thank you so much!

[clear kindle]

Nero's is much better than what i did, and less confusing as well, but i'll post it just because who knows, this is not 100% anything but does have multiple of each crop

sorry, accidentally hit the enter button while typing

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-101-101-101-111_CROPS-ROWTCTPRP-ROWTCTPRP-BkOBkCbBBTBB-BkOBkBBCbBBT-CWCrBkPORCbCr-CWCrOPBkCrCbR-TAACbAACAA-AOAABkAAWA-AATAACbAAC

[vernal bluff]

Got me scared here

[stoic marsh]

Thank you! I don't know why the other would be better?

I'll probably try both to be honest. I see yours is symmetrical, my autism looooooves symmetry😂

Thank you both @clear kindle @vernal bluff I'm going to try them out. It will be 1000% more effective than empty plots or randomly planted crops, so I'm really thankful! 🙂

The burning chapaa emote😂 oh my gosh that's hilarious

[clear kindle]

nero's is simpler to replant, easy rows to remember to go through (one row is all water retain plants, the next is all the weed plants, etc, etc) while mine you will have to actually stop and think or harvest one crop then replant, harvest replant and continue with that

[stoic marsh]

At least I think it's a chapaa? 😂

[vernal bluff]

That’s me irl

[stoic marsh]

Same to be honest 😂

[clear kindle]

ah, just realized that i missed the spicy peppers on mine, one of the blueberries could be swapped out for it though

[terse crag]

looks like I'm late to this whole thing but this was a fun morning brain wakeup! I like the other plot designs a lot, but here's what my sleepyface came up with!

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-101-101-101-111_CROPS-C.HP.HT.WSpSpCr.WSpSpW.W-T.WP.HC.HCr.WSpSpW.WSpSp-CTP.WR.HpWCr.WBk.HpO.HpCo-P.WTCR.WW.WCrCo.WPT-B.HB.HP.HB.HB.HCb.HA.HA.HA.H-R.HOBk.HT.HB.HB.HCb.HB.HB.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HT.HCb.HCo.H-B.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HT.HP.HA.H-A.HA.HCb.HA.HA.HP.HA.HA.HCo.H

I threw some poop on because I made mistakes, but this was a fun exercise ty

[median pulsar]

is the pre-level 25 means the gardining level or the character level ?

[shut hearth]

gardening

[median pulsar]

thanks

[calm mist]

15 bro

and no apple tree

[summer thunder]

I got apple seeds from a quest with Naio, and then one with Zeki. Level 3 friendship

lvl 3 on both

[calm mist]

ikr

but im not there yet

thats why

[summer thunder]

Good luck! The best way level up relationships is with gifts. Here's something to help you out in figuring out what each NPC would appreciate https://www.paliatracker.com

[tropic ermine]

Heya! You might find this tool helpful: https://paliapedia.com/tools/garden

[median pulsar]

should i do all the weekly wants in each villager ?

[tropic ermine]

For extra help, here are my handy dandy Palia gardening bookmarks:
1️⃣ Gardening on the Palia Wiki (https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Gardening) - great for beginners and has an easy to reference table for crops

2️⃣ Arenvanya's guide to gardening in Palia (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bjqQGwzhW7wsIpSDoO3xCMwqbX7ZbsdsuuXmPEXCrjE/edit) - another great guide, really in depth and contains more links

3️⃣ Garden Planner Comps (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz) - recommended garden layouts for beginners to experienced

4️⃣ Palia Garden Planner (https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/) - blank version of the popular garden planning tool

5️⃣ My current 80k garden plan for Lv. 25+ (https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PRPTCrTPRP-AAAAAAAAA-RCrRPTPRCrR-AAAAAAAAA-RCrRPTPRCrR-AAAAAAAAA-PRPTCrTPRP-AAAAAAAAA) - this might change in the future

Thank you to everyone here who create and share such useful resources!

[summer thunder]

That's what I do, it works

[summer thunder]

Thanks!

[tropic ermine]

Generally, yes. It is helpful for increasing your friendship levels and discovering new quests. Once a character is Lv. 4, I'm not sure though.

Two notes:

1. You can only gift a villager their weekly wants unlocked by your friendship level (ex. a friendship level 2 villager will not request a third weekly item)
2. Try to save rare resources (ex. a fish that was difficult to catch) for quests or bundles first.

[tropic ermine]

Glad to help!

[left portal]

Here is another option. If you allow weeds to grow on 9 crops, they will no longer grow elsewhere (effectively removing the need for weedblock). I have marked the 9 Tomato/Potato crops that should grow weeds with ‘weed blocker fertilizer’. I chose them because they dont have all the harvest boost/speed boost/water retain buffs, so they’re the best ones to never harvest/weed.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-T.WPR.HAAAAAA-P.WCrATWAB.HB.HA-AAT.WAAPAAR.H-AAACrWB.HP.WTB.H-B.HB.HB.HB.HP.WB.HB.HB.HB.H-B.HTP.WB.HWCrAAA-R.HAAPAAT.WAA-AB.HB.HAWTACrP.W-AAAAAAR.HPT.W

[agile dagger]

Omg that’s so smart, I didn’t know that was a thing!!! Thank you so much!!!

[lunar stump]

Anyone else run into this issue, Left my house with full grown apple trees but when i returned they were all saplings again .

[dusty kayak]

do you have multiple weeds

[lunar stump]

No weeds

[dusty kayak]

oooo weird
report bug pls

!feedback

[compact coral]

Feedback & Suggestions

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[lunar stump]

thanks for the shortcut

[wary finch]

the guys from bug report support might get back to you, so check your email and communicate with them, they are really eager to help, but they might need additional infos like your logs.

when I reported that bug of randomly disappearing stacks of fertilizers when leaving your housing plot, it took about a week of communicating with them, to figure it out such far, that it could be send to the developer team.

s6 has a great support team, friendly and polite, so don't hesitate to contact them, if you have an issue.

[wary finch]

to figure out that bug might be very difficult, as it is hard to reproduce at all.

but what is interesting is, that it appeared when returning to your housing plot, my issue with disappearing fertilizers was as well dependent on leaving/returning to my housing plot. These issues could be related.

[calm mist]

can someone help me with layout
currently lv 15, no having apple tree yet
just want water retain so i dont have to open the game every hour
thanks

[clear kindle]

are you looking for certain crops?

[calm mist]

nah, just dont want it to be empty

but surely i want to insert blueberries and pepper

[mellow ibex]

What are the best crops bmfor a newbie to make money? I have a seed starter. And also how do I get seeds for trees?

[hallow wedge]

Farm potatoes and tomatoes to turn them into seeds then sell those. Apple tree seeds can be obtained from a quest if I remember., then you can turn them too seeds but it take 10 apples for 1 seed.

[wary finch]

I would suggest rice and bok choy (currently from the maji market), both grow very quickly, rice gives harvest boost to bok choy and bok choy weed prevention, And once you have seeders, seed the bok choy, whch grants a nearly 100% value increase. You will have to water and weed regularily though.

This said, potatoes and tomatoes is for a lazy garden, not a bad idea as well, but it takes longer until you can harvest.

[mellow ibex]

Didnt know that crops influence the other crops, any idea where i can find all the abillities?

And better sell crops or the seeds ?

[wary finch]

garden planner https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

simple, if you need money quickly, sell the crop, if you can wait, seed them, that is about a 50% value increase, with bok choy nearly 100% though.

something else, the same crop does not give the boost to others of the same type,you need to chose different ones as neighbors in east, north, west, south direction.

play around with the garden planner, it shows you what kind of boost result from your layout, playing around with it will enable you planning your garden rather quickly.

skill gain comes from harvesting crop, which basically means, that quickly growing crop lets you progress faster than crop, which takes longer until harvest.

and care for having focus before you harvest, for maximum skill gain.

[lilac wind]

FYI the crops only grow one night while you're offline so they wouldn't be stunted due to lack of water either way

[calm mist]

i know abt that, thats why i said i dont want to open the game every hour

[lilac wind]

okay maybe I didn't explain but no big deal. Full water retention is great too!

[vernal bluff]

Crops don’t grow, when you are offline, doesn’t matter if they are water retained. But here is a layout with bushes and 100% water retained:

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CrPBRTBCrPCo-BWPBCrTCoPCb-SpSpCrSpSpTCoCoP-CrPBRTBCrPCo-BWPBCrCrCoPCb-SpSpCrSpSpTCoCoP-CrPBRTBCrPCo-BWCrBCrTCoPCb-SpSpCrSpSpTCoCoP

[calm mist]

follow urs https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-101-101-101-111_CROPS-PCbPCrWCrAAA-PTPWCrWOBkC-AAAAAACbTCb-TPCbCrRCrCoCoCo-RCrRAAAAAA-PCbPCrWCrOTR-AAAPTPWRW-P.HT.HCBBCrBBT-BkPCrRSpSpPSpSp

[sharp ginkgo]

What's wrong with my layout? I have tree sets that's identical to this, and sometimes my appletrees need water when I get back to my plot, even tho there's the water fertilizer on them

[clear kindle]

was there a weed on the tree?

[sharp ginkgo]

yeah

i think

[clear kindle]

i believe that weeds block fertilizer

[sharp ginkgo]

but it's not happening always?

[robust thistle]

Yeah. I wanted every boost on some apples. So i keep 9 weeds 🙂

[wary finch]

this could as well be a matter of this bug I reported of randomly disappearing fertilizers on one or a few spots, very hard to track, but this bug is in review by the dev team now, maybe it will be fixed with the next patch, we will see.

just happening when leaving/returning to your home plot, not when logging out on your home plot.

[sharp ginkgo]

actually I had a similar bug i reported aswell! So I think it's that

[jovial sun]

Your garden is very pretty

[sharp ginkgo]

aw ty!

[devout hornet]

What crops would be the best for leveling gardening/tokens? I have probably most of the crops unlocked (spicy pepper, blueberries, apples)

[lucid furnace]

My mum does a lot of tomatoes in her garden with other stuff thrown in. She's level 180 something. I do everything and sitting at a comfortable 60 something cos I don't play alot

[devout hornet]

omg!! ty!! also your mom playing as well is so sweet

[lucid furnace]

Mum did do Apples for a while ( three trees if I remember rightly ) but she stopped those for a while

The secret is harvesting as that is where the xp comes into play, as well as maxing out your focus bar

Mum harvests often, and has been at max focus for ages rofl

[jovial sun]

heres the garden imma be using for the next few days - let me know if anyone has any tips
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TTPPSpSpTSpSp-TTTTPTPTP-PTTSpSpPSpSpT-TPTTSpSpPSpSp-TPTPTPTPT-TPTSpSpTSpSpP-SpSpPSpSpPPTT-TTTTTTTPT-PSpSpPSpSpTTP

[dusty kayak]

a suggestion, but up to you of course
adding a bit of cotton does more star quality boosting which gives a tad more money (star quality cotton is a pretty good money crop too) but it does add another crop to plant so more "work" so yeah up to you just a suggestion
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCoPPSpSpCoSpSp-TCoTCoPCoPTP-PTCoSpSpTSpSpP-TPCoPSpSpCoSpSp-TCoTPTPTCoT-PCoTSpSpTSpSpP-TPTPSpSpCoSpSp-PTPCoTCoTPT-TCoTSpSpPSpSpCo

[jovial sun]

omg

i was trying to add cotton, maybe i gave up a bit soon, but i just couldnt find good places
ty for the help!!

[dusty kayak]

[zealous edge]

that link name is incredibly funny bc somebody was just screaming through it

[queen lark]

Although one is 4 days. I do NOT harvest the wheat and rice. I leave them there to continuously boost the bok choy. I just hit level 25 in gardening and get mostly all starred plants from the harvest. I take ALL the starred plants and stick them in 22 seeders, yes 22!!. Then all but the 55 replanting seeds I sell the extra seeds and get about 15K over night from the seeders, and 10-15K during my waking day. So about yeah 30K a real life day. This lay out was off a youtube video and I thought I give it a try.

[jovial sun]

Do the starred plants give more seeds?

[jovial sun]

AAAAAAAAAA lwlxnskxkndk kx AAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAA alskkskswksksnnd Aaaaaa

[slow flame]

no, but they almost always give starred seeds

[raven sedge]

newby question: is preserving veggies better money than just selling crops? :p

[clear kindle]

yes, making raw crops into seeds or preserves will almost always be better than selling plain crops. the almost part is star quality cotton, you lose money by turning it into fabric before selling

[raven sedge]

ohh you place all your crops in seed makers?

i thought seeds were less money than the crops ?

time to place that seed maker i guess haha

[clear kindle]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

that will show you the different ways with the crops

[raven sedge]

thank you!

[jovial sun]

Oh whats the difference? I haven’t noticed anything but I also haven’t tested

[south reef]

question, is there any way to get rid of plants currently on a field?

[narrow plinth]

yes! right click with your hoe

[south reef]

Ohh omg ty I've been wanting to do a new layout but this corn won't budge

[waxen shuttle]

Soo spamming rice seeds seems to be best way for a nub that's pre preserves jar huh

[dusty kayak]

id say tomatoes and then tomatoes in the seed maker personally but to each their own of course

[waxen shuttle]

Hmm but tomato seeds take 3 to make seeds

[dusty kayak]

still good profit

[waxen shuttle]

Gotcha. I'll check it out .

[queen lark]

I don't think they do. Hence the wheat and rice near by give a harvest boost. the starred ones sell for more then non starred though. the bok choy plant converts from one plant to 4 seeds. although ONE seed is half the price of ONE plant. the fact is is 1 plant --> 4 seeds. it effectively doubling the gold worth from the original plant. I typically at lvl 25 gardening get roughly 165 starred plants which in turn make 660 seeds. I have 22 harvest seeders. So 165 /7 = 7.5. So I lower and stick 7 plants in each of the 22 seeders = 154 plants converted to seeds. next round i add that half back in so it will be 8 per seeder , 176 plants. One bok choy plant takes 1 hour and 12 minutes, or 72 minutes to make 4 seeds. So 7 plants x 22 seeders = 154 plants converted to 616 seeds ( granted 7 seeds per 22 harvested wil take 8 hours and 24 minutes). I save 55 for the second round of planting. 616-55=561 seeds to sell. at 22 gold per starred seed that is 561x22= 12342 gold just off the first round of extra seeds. The bok choy takes 3 rl hours to grow. I do 3 rounds a day. So roughly 37K from the extra seeds sold partly during the day and all 22 harvest seeders chock full to about 30 (31 if one already started started). clean out the exit port every 11 hours, and basically get a non stop seed production.

So in short i am harvesting faster then the seeders can get finished, so that is why the seeders are stuffed full over night. ( 20 bok choy plants keep the seeder busy for 24 hours). So 3 cycles of that lay out, roughly 9 RL hours in game, and seeders going over night yeah about 37K gold coins a RL day. wow

[calm mist]

yummy money

[granite salmon]

You summoned me?

[ancient reef]

TOP GOLD EARINGS FOR EVERY CROP AND PRODUCT
-preserve jars-
Apple non* & *
Blueberries non* & *
Bok Choy non* & *
Carrots non* & *
Spicy Peppers non* & *
Corn non* & *
Napa Cabbage non* & *
Onion non* & *
Potato non* & *
Tomato non* & *

-worm farm-
Every Food!
Apple Jam non* & *
Pickled Carrot non* & *
Pickled Corn only *
Pickled Onion non* & *
Pickled Potatos non* & *
Blueberry Jam non* & *
Brightshroom non* & *
Pickled Spicy Peppers non* & *
Pickled Tomatoes non* & *

-Glow Worm Farm-
Chappa Meat non* & *
Pickled Corn only non *
Muujin Meat non* & *
Oyster Meat non* & *
Mountain Morel non* & *
Surnuk Meat non* & *
Sweet Leaf non* & *
Wild Garlic non* & *

-Seed Maker-
Cotton non* & ( YOU LOSE MONEY BYY MAKING FABRIC ONLY MAKE WHAT YOU NEED NOT TO SELL)
Rice non & *
Wheat non* & *

[spice falcon]

Been looking for a layout to maximize blueberry and apple harvest so I can stock on starred fruits for cooking parties, suggestions ?

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-RCrRAAAAAA-CrRABBABBA-AARAACrAAR-AAABBRBBCr-AAAAAAAAA-RBBCrBBAAA-RAACrAARAA-ABBABBARCr-AAAAAARCrR

version that i like, you have to baby it as far as watering and weeds

[spice falcon]

Ooh thanks ! I made one where I fitted 2 apple trees, didn't think to fit 5 of them without them in the corners.

[wary finch]

the thing with that layout is, that bok choy is special in having nearly 100% value increase when made into seeds, whereas most other crop has just about a 50% increase. And it grows in just 3 days on top of it,

[waxen shuttle]

I guess? Trying to make money's also need blueberry's no idea where to get them

[harsh gorge]

Gardening guild store after you get gardening to level 10. You can also get a few from Bandruu’s level 3 friendship quest

Get some, plant, grow, use the fertilizer to increase your harvest and then put the blueberries into your seed maker to make sure you have more

Get a nice supply of seeds and then put some blueberries into the preserves jar to make Jam. Then sell the jam. Stuff from the preserves jar make good $$.

[odd cipher]

Or if you want to make even more money you can put the jars into a worm farm.

You can still sell all the extra stuff like seeds and jars that you don’t need for the worm farms.

[violet wave]

I thought sashimi into glow worm farms are very efficient and profitable?

Apart frim celebration cakes that is

[empty moth]

Hi! Can I ask how a daily wish works?

[wary finch]

you mean the wish tree wishes? you need a ribbon and then you tint it in one of the 3 colors on the table near the wish tree. Once that is done you launch that wish at the wish tree and 24hrs later (ingame time) you can get the result from the station on the left hand side of the wish tree.

[wild hazel]

I just slam Morels into the glow worm farms, time efficient and still profitable

[wary finch]

the left color grants money, the middle one renown and the blue on the right will get you 200 lucky envelopes, when the wish is granted.

[wild hazel]

How can you request it, even though you have never owned it?

[rose vigil]

Anyone have any spare apple seeds they can share? 🥹 it’s currently on my wishlist I appreciate you same IGN username

[rose vigil]

I unlocked it I spent all my medals on blueberry seeds for the first time 🥹 so I can’t afford to get apple seeds yet

[dusty kayak]

unfortunatly can't send starred crops / seeds so I can't help anyone anymore because everything's starred every time

[clear kindle]

when i saw it on the wiki i thought it was too, i was doing a lot of fishing to get the achievements so figured just buy the rice from badruu and turn the extra fish into sashimi but it seems like it's based on the type of fish used to make the dish

[waxen shuttle]

So turning things into worms / fertilizer is more profitable? just a longer process seems crazy but I guess mecha is wise it makes sense. Aside from started cotton processing always seems to increase value

[wary finch]

it depends on how and how much you play. Preserve jars, worm farms and seeders work as well when you are offline. So the time required to preserve, seed or use preserved or other foodstuffs in worm farms doesn't hurt your gameplay, it is just increasing your income, when you return to Palia.

if you play a lot, it might be ok, to just sell crops as they come, because in this case your income per time unit played will be higher than what you are getting, if most of your crop is waiting in jars and seeders to be processed.

[wary finch]

I basically play. until my seeders, jars and worm farms are about half filled and then I take a break, and 10-12 hrs later all is processed and I rake in the income, when I return to the game.

[calm mist]

hello, what is best to farm glow farm?

currently im using sweet leaf

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

apple jams seem to be the best, unless you go to cake parties often

[feral gust]

I find macaroons do well, especially since it also gives me speedy grow fertilizer

[calm mist]

this why i use sweet leaf, it also gives you speedy

[calm mist]

i

will try

[crude pelican]

does anyone have an image/chart with crop buffs?

[dusty kayak]

im sure a chart exists but i feel like its already pretty simple with the garden planner

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[crude pelican]

okay thanku ❤️

[tropic solstice]

Has anyone noticed that although you know you have watered all your crops fully, at 6am lately not all of them have grown? It just seems to be happening recently.

[potent haven]

@tropic solstice yes I do!!! I thought its just one of those "switch bugs"

[dusty kayak]

its a typical long term bug we've had for a long time, even on PC
it's crops being out of sync

but if you see them ever go backwards, like turn back from full grown to a sprout, report that lol

[violet wave]

Yellowfin tuna seems to work a treat and I got heaps from trying to catch the unicorn fish. My glow worms are royalty with tuna sashimi and celebration cake 😂

[flat jackal]

hello i am trying to plan my garden around cabbage seeds and so far i have this lol is there anyone that can help me D:

i missed a cabbage

[dusty kayak]

Cotton for one row and another watering crop in the other :p

Quality + water retention

[flat jackal]

its really that simple??

[dusty kayak]

Yeah diagnal lines are pretty good like that

[flat jackal]

ohhh wait i do it diagonal

[clear kindle]

i was going to say the same thing

either that or if you are going to be around the plot often (every hour to tend to the garden for weeds) use a harvest boost crop such as rice, wheat or corn to get more crops per harvest

[flat jackal]

do weeds slow the growth or something

[clear kindle]

i believe they do, plus it's free gold picking them (only 10 gold but at the early stages every little bit helps)

[left portal]

Does anyone have up to date information on the Fertilizer-Disappearing glitch?

[dusty kayak]

Yeah so its like a checker board kind of design

Example

[flat jackal]

ohhh okay

do quality crops give more seeds?

[clear kindle]

no, but they do give star crops, which not only sell for more, they also will produce star quality seeds that when planted have a higher chance of giving more star crops (i believe math is 50% base plus 2% per gardening level), and the star quality seeds also sell for more than regular seeds

once you are at or nearing level 25, all star seeds will give nothing but star crops

[wary finch]

it was send to the dev team about a week ago, Khan.

I communicated with support for about a week, making sure that all observations we made are covered, once done they gave it to the dev team for review.

support told me that the ticket is set to "resolved", because it's title doesn't match the final findings, but they said, this doesn't mean, it wouldn't be worked on, they are eager to fix it.

So near to the patch release, I doubt though, that a fix will be in this patch, but we will see.

support quote: "While we're marking this ticket as "solved" for now, please understand that this doesn't diminish our continuous dedication to promptly and effectively address the root cause of the problem."

[flat jackal]

and then u wont need the quality boosting crops anymore?

[clear kindle]

right the higher level you get the quality boost just seems redundant, since you're already getting the star quality. i'll plant cotton only if i want/need to fill my loom for fabrics

[dusty kayak]

Which very inportantly
Do not put star quality cotton in the loom for as long as you can avoid it LOL

Of course at a certain point it's unavoidable

But do not go out of your way to sell fabric because you cannot make star quality fabric

So starred cotton to fabric is a huge loss

[clear kindle]

right, it's odd that star cotton raw is more than fabric, but here we are. i just like having a loom dedicated to each of the items it can make so i don't have it clogging my storage and i don't try to make furniture only to have to leave home to buy fabric from tish

[dusty kayak]

If they made starred fabric then the worth would balance like everything else

Would be kind of nice
Make cotton farming pretty viable even for later game

[wary finch]

there is a lot what doesn't make sense, some foodstuff, you can cook, is worth less than the ingredients it requires. Game logic is not necessarily very logical.

but this isn't a simulation but a game set in a fantasy environment, it doesn't have to be logical.

Overall farming is quite balanced, regardless what you want to farm, you can make good money with it, that's all what counts.

[dusty kayak]

Game's consistently working on balancing
It'll get there eventually

[wary finch]

I guess, starred fabric would just make sense for sale, otherwise, what would starred fabric increase, we don't have starred furniture or starred preserve jars.

[dusty kayak]

We do have star preserves tbf

But also starstones starred are also just to sell (or decor of course)

One day im sure we'll get to place preserve jars too

[wary finch]

ok, time for a full english, ttyl

[flat pasture]

whats a good garden layout for profit?

[flat pasture]

this is the one I'm about to put into motion. theres also a focus on being fully watered and weeded

[wild hazel]

Focus on bok choy

[wary finch]

@left portalI just checked the date, when support told me, that the issue was send to the dev team, it was not a week ago, but on the 5th of February, so there is a chance, that it might be fixed in this patch already.

[left portal]

Nope, I just had it happen on two accounts

[wary finch]

the patch isn't live yet, it is delayed,earliest next week to be released.

[left portal]

Wondering if it has to do with when soil becomes not-tilled and or when the crop is split over multiple soil squares

[wary finch]

no, I had it on normal patches as well, but it is certainly related to leaving/returning to the housing plot.

but it is rare, I had it just once since I talked to support last. I just hope, they have a look at the code and what changed there with the last patch, because it might be hard for them to reproduce it.

but I think it happens only to multi-field plots, never had it on a single one.

[shrewd ginkgo]

My current gardening plan

[neat vortex]

tbh I looked at this and that's why I decided to produce as much unstarred cotton as I reasonably could before I hit level 25, haha! Though starred cotton can at least be made into seeds and sold that way... but, yes, not looking forward to the eventual day when those stocks run out.

What I came here to ask was:

Any other folks out there who don't use the 9x9 block? I find it a little overwhelming to deal with/"hold in my head," so I've been iterating on 3x9 groupings. (I also found that I could manage a 6x6 as long as it had berry and pepper bushes in the middle, lol)

Here's what I'm growing currently:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-1111111-1000001_CROPS-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-O.HPT.HBkCr.HBkT.HPO.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-O.HBkT.HPW.HPT.HBkO.H-O.HBkT.HPR.HPT.HBkO.H

[red coral]

As offered and requested, the garden planner I found on the Palia subreddit, no weeds, no watering, all the plants. If you plant it right. Unlike me. Who always misplaces at least 2-4 plants by not taking my time still works great for me though!

[neat vortex]

oh god if I don't harvest and replant one type of crop at a time, with only one kind of seed on my action bar at any one time, I'm in for a lot of frustrated cursing as I bust out the hoe again lol

Planting rice when I meant to plant wheat is also a Ren classic 😂

[red coral]

I'm so bad, I just leave it and try not to allow the domino effect take another 2 of my crop rotation

[neat vortex]

XD

I do that sometimes, depending on the seed

if it's rice for wheat, well. it'll fix itself in 3 days...

tomato? no. that sucker's gotta go haha

[red coral]

Tomat-noooooo

[neat vortex]

Tomato aka "crud how did I miss that you weren't watered after I took too long to harvest yooooouuu and now you're out of syyynnc"

staring impatiently at the last hanger-on for 45 IRL minutes

(lightly staring. I usually go do something else afk XD)

[neat vortex]

Also playing around with this at the moment (technically 3 separate L-shaped plots, but I scrunched them together in the planner to make the image more compact). I think this can accommodate all crops other than cotton? (and you could shove cotton in there too, if you wanted)
It's just missing carrots and napa, which can be put in for onion and potatoes respectively.

[red coral]

Shove cotton in there, how unceremonious but I actually suddenly love the kind of courtyard in the middle this structure creates, thanks for sharing!

[neat vortex]

I'm pretty fond of the aesthetics of my current setup, too!
(please ignore the not-yet-watered tomatoes, was in the middle of replanting XD)

[red coral]

Ack, muh heart, the graphics, you must be on pc?! Tis beautiful! Love the set up it is much more "organic" and like a garden might be set up than the GardenCube I've been doing

[neat vortex]

<_<; put it on epic settings for the screenshot only, yes; for practicality I usually run it on Low, which is less than the Switch displays XD

[red coral]

I avoid PC play videos and screenshots so my soul doesn't cry from the difference in quality to my poor, poor, poor switch

[neat vortex]

I'm sorry ;A; here's my more usual view, if it makes you feel better:

[red coral]

Well that's not so bad either, but that shiny tree dome to the left is pretty silly and globe-like though

[neat vortex]

I know, all the crops get that goofy "wet" look when they're watered XD

wet cotton looks like plastic, very bizarre

[quaint pier]

how do you set up garden so you get max amount of apples?

[dusty kayak]

my assumption would be 6 trees with harvest boost

if you wanted to do it without fert

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

can help play around with the crops before actually planting

[gusty sonnet]

i want to make the most lazy / good enough profit for a farm using harvest boost ferts so far i have come up ( currently i dont use apples for anything really ) Just wanna know if anyone has anything more profitable while being lazy still

tech i should replace onion with bok choy

[grave aurora]

oh heck yes, that is awesome. I am using that layout!! Thank you!!!

[grave aurora]

Anyone know what the best food to put into the glow worm farm??

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

i do apple jams

[wary finch]

@neat vortexI use 2 rows of 4 and the 9th plot is shifted one tile up from the bottom row. I use it in south-north direction, where it is in front of 2 small rooms with extruded windows, and serves as background with a fence and forest in the background.

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-Bk.QBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp.Q-R.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QSp.QRSp.Q-C.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QSp.QRSp.Q-R.QB.QB.QCrB.QB.QSp.QAA-NNNNNNACr.QR.Q-Sp.QSp.QSp.QRBBBk.QBB-Sp.QBkSp.QRB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-Sp.QBkSp.QRB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-Sp.QAARAABk.QWCo.Q-AB.QB.QAB.QB.QNNN

this is the current garden of my youngest character, I alternate rice spots with wheat sometimes and bok choy spots with cotton.

Post-processed the income is 5k/day.

I love this layout, even it is probably not the best, but by far better looking than a large 3x3 square imo. It is still quite versatile, I can fit gardens with up to 4 apple trees on it, but as my youngest character takes it slow, currently just 1 apple tree.

[neat vortex]

ooh, fun!

[wary finch]

This said, I'm not using the same garden over longer time periods, but change the layout frequently.

[neat vortex]

It's funny... I tried adding a third apple tree to my current garden (would have been easy enough since it is very modular) and it actually decreased the expected revenue XD

But I'm not doing cake parties or anything

[wary finch]

It depends anyway on how you calculate it. This 5k/day is using the planner's math, but reasonably calculated with complete post-processing (i.e. with worm farms), it has a different value. Then if you look at income per hour played, it is again a different story and seen in income per time unit, the income differs with the amount of seeders/jars you have and the mean average time of crops waiting in jars and seeders for processing. So these income values are very dependent on how you calculate them.

the highest income is anyway not apple trees but a bok choy focussed garden and seeding those.

[neat vortex]

I did some more math for myself with worming my preserves, and found that none of them topped 22 gold per crafter slot hour. Meanwhile, morels in a glow worm farm give 24 😅 so... I only worm my preserves now for specific fertilizer or if I have a crafter slot sitting idle (because I have no materials to process)

[wary finch]

yeah, if you play a lot and calculate income per time unit spent, it might even be more profitable, to just sell the crop without any processing at all.

[neat vortex]

this is what I do with mine; that said, I have very high playtime but inconsistent energy, so my stuff grows actually probably too fast most days

I am probably at the point where if I had energy to replant, I literally could not keep up with the processing and would have to sell some raw due to storage limits

as in, no matter how many jars and seeders I had lol

[wary finch]

exactly, you could ofc make an alternate character and play both, then processing makes sense again, because it creates income on all your accounts.

[neat vortex]

lol well I'd just be staring off into space in a different yard then XD

as it stands I just decided to full-replant once per IRL day, gather apples and tomatoes as they came up, and otherwise not worry about it... which negates the bok choy math, but it's fine XD

[wary finch]

I guess, that we all tend towards a lazy garden over time, but for as long as a character is below skill level 25, I let them run gardens, which need maintenance, but create high output instead.

[neat vortex]

that said it was really fun and funny. running Eliot's Worm n Fertilizer Emporium

Oh... yeah I'm past 50 now 😅

[wary finch]

I have 4 characters, but just playtime for one actually, so half of them are below 25.

I find it quite hard to figure out, what the best balance is between online/offline hours per day/week. Palia is not really a game, which could be played like other MMOs.

With Lys I binge played, with the result of having too quickly much too much money and there is nothing to do with it, so I stopped playing her and made new characters, each taking it slower than before.

But sooner or later any of them will get to the point, where all what is left is completing collections and I'm not the collector type at all.

[neat vortex]

Same tbh

If I do it I do it, but I am more resource/practicality focused

I also am not lured in by plushies XD

[wary finch]

entrepreneurial, yes, but this is very limited in Palia, it has a different focus.

[neat vortex]

Yeah

[wary finch]

same with fashion stuff, for that I have second life with millions of outfit options.

[neat vortex]

Been having fun with my spreadsheets at least XD

Ah, yeah, even though I am a roleplayer and enjoy putting outfits together, I also had my FFXIV characters in the exact same outfits for years on end lol

this is probably good as I cannot afford the cash shop clothes anyway

[wary finch]

then never play second life, without spending rl money it is no fun and you are buying a lot over time there, my inventory has more than 250,000 items and I'm not even among the top shopaholics.

[neat vortex]

ah, but we're getting a little off topic, oops

[wary finch]

Palia is different from most kind of games,that is why I like and am playing it, hopfully it will be a big success, the time is right for a new kind of MMO like Palia.

[neat vortex]

Me too, first time in a game where I don't feel like I'm playing it "wrong"

(because I always wanted to spend my time exploring/gathering/crafting/accounting instead of combat progression)

(and decorating spaces for myself lol)

[wary finch]

lol, I play pretty much any game wrong seen from the viewpoint of the meta-min/maxing crowd. I try to avoid grind and the boredom of trying to be a top player, which always results in mind-numbing grind to acquire the current meta gear,which is changing ever so often.

[neat vortex]

Yep, I find strange little niches XD

I wonder if they will nerf bok choy or if the long processing time makes it scale poorly enough that it balances itself

[wary finch]

I think they possibly will adjust it a little, it is kind of overpowered in comparision to the rest.

[neat vortex]

currently 14 tiles of bok choy and it's taking 4 seeders to just barely keep up

with one harvest per IRL day

[wary finch]

yeah, you have seen my garden, I have 5 seeders just for bok choy and I have to play very little to not overwhelm those.

[neat vortex]

lol yeah, so maybe it's self-balancing

good option for those with minimal playtime though

lots of idle time, fast grow time

tomatoes grow fast but you have to be active with the machines

Max 15ish hours idle

[wary finch]

apples are really the best, if you don't want having to care a lot for your garden, so seen like that, bok choy is more for the early game than for the later game - so it could as well stay as it is, we will see.

[neat vortex]

Yeah

It seems like a good starter crop

I already integrated it with the starter 3x3 I share with new players

[wary finch]

I have seen streamers using just bok choy without using any boost at all (f.e. Percival)

What could be counter-productive, because overusing it can easily trigger a nerf by the devs.

[neat vortex]

a la tomatoes? (which was before I started the game lol)

[wary finch]

On the other side, Palia isn't a competitive game, so there is not really a need of complete balancing.

[neat vortex]

I like that they put effort into making it so that there are multiple viable paths to a goal

and no hugely obvious "right way"

[wary finch]

pretty much all crops are highly balanced though, they really care for balancing, so we will have to wait and see, what will happen to bok chop, there are good arguments for both, keeping and nerfing it.

[neat vortex]

yepyep

if they do, well, time for more fun with spreadsheets and the garden planner! XD

or just leave it as is and nothing bad will happen

[waxen shuttle]

The only reason to nerf income from a crop ,and it's important from a business perspective, is to keep the players engaged for longer. If a crop is making everyone rich too quickly people will leave before new content is released.

[wary finch]

exactly

a balanced value for bok choy seeds would be 18, which is still reasonable and wouldn't hurt anyone.

[neat vortex]

what is it now, again?

[wary finch]

22

[neat vortex]

aha

[analog parrot]

Nerfing cake parties killed this game, though.

[neat vortex]

I struggle a little with the napa numbers too, like I wonder what they were aimng for there

Trying to figure out the use case lol

[wary finch]

nappa cabbage is weirdly designed, I agree.

[neat vortex]

just variety...? for players like me with too much in-game time?

but then why the long processing times?

I had napa planted for a bit but it started jamming up the works lol

[wary finch]

we will have to see what new recipes will be put into the game, as currently just maji market recipes use them and those are event exclusive.

[neat vortex]

For sure

Love that the kimchi are cooking ingredients as well as the raw crop

just a fun detail tbh

[wary finch]

but just for one recipe and using nappa cabbage kimchi for that would be a waste.

[neat vortex]

well yeah XD

I made 30 bok choy kimchi to have "just in case" and I've used... one

[wary finch]

same

[neat vortex]

shrug

The fact that it exists is fun enough on its own tbh

[wary finch]

well eventually starred quality of that recipe is somewhat usable, but the normal one is underwhelming.

[neat vortex]

like how many other games have kimchi at all? XD

or lettuce soup for that matter

[wary finch]

californian studio, ofc they have an asian foodstuffs focus.

I miss something traditional like a "full english", but then again, Palia has no pigs and therefore no pork.

[waxen shuttle]

I think inclusiveness is really more of what the devs were going for.

[wary finch]

then where are african dishes?

[neat vortex]

Coming in a different event that doesn't have a pan-Asian focus maybe

That would be a good suggestion tbh...

[neat vortex]

we've got beef Wellington for the English rep 😂

not so much the working class foods though, maybe

maybe they'll add beans and yams in a future update

Growing beans could be fun...

[wary finch]

salmon wellington is a quite common dish in australia, beef wellington as well.

[neat vortex]

...salmon wellington sounds amazing?!

[wary finch]

for an african dish I would suggest masonja, a mopane worm dish, we could use worms from worm farms for it.

[neat vortex]

ooh

Reth mentioned that once (insects as a good protein source)

[wary finch]

it is quite common in limpopo, a province of south africa, but mopane worm dishes are plenty as well in other countries.

[neat vortex]

be funny if we could cook the crickets plaguing the Daiyas XD

[wary finch]

yeah, I have seen all kind of insect foodstuff in south korea, not really that appetizing lol

[neat vortex]

I wonder what buff beans would give

[wary finch]

ah yes, beans, fava beans for example.

or other stuff like chickpeas, to make varies kind of hummus.

[neat vortex]

!

if I cannot eat hummus IRL, my character will eat SO MUCH of it in Palia omg

I love good hummus (we have a large Lebanese population where I am and so I became picky lol)

[wary finch]

I miss as well indian dishes,like paneer or varies kind of masala dishes.

[neat vortex]

Paneer would be cool, maybe with the animal husbandry if they add it

there is chapaa masala

ooh, what if spinach...

[waxen shuttle]

African cultures are rarely represented well in games. It would be amazing if the devs made an event like that

[wary finch]

Biltong, the famous south african dry meat snack, made from all kind of meats including venison and other meat.

[neat vortex]

well, it's nearly daily reset, so I guess it's time to peel myself up and actually log in XD

[wary finch]

half an hour to daybreak in palia.

[odd cipher]

I miss biltong and droëwors

[flat jackal]

is it more profitable to sell tomato seeds than the tomatos themselves? im confused on my friends strategy

[clear kindle]

yes, processing crops are better than the raw crops

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

except star cotton, that should be sold raw and only used to make fabric if you have no other choice to (level 25 and above)

[flat jackal]

thank you

[wary finch]

boerewors, yeah, but there are scotish equivalents to it and iirc turkey has something similar as well.

[frosty island]

I m confused about one thing in gardening, when I use the fertilizer they disappear next day, do i have to use the fertilizer everyday to get the effect I want?

[slow flame]

You can stack fertilizer, so put more than 1 on the same plot (up to 99 iirc). One will be used each growth tick (at 6am). If the plant hasn't got fert everyday the effect is not guaranteed.

[wild hazel]

You can "examine" your plot tile, and it tells you how many stacks and which fertilizer is on it

[neat vortex]

I turn my star cotton into seeds! :D

(if I'm selling it)

[wary finch]

... which is hard to do, because all seeders are full with bok choy 🙂

[wild hazel]

More seeders 😝

[jovial sun]

IS THERE REALLY

[neat vortex]

Yes :D https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Chapaa_Masala

lol it's required for a bundle iirc

[jovial sun]

Omg

I’m gonna need this recipe STAT

[wary finch]

hm, just 3x stiring, that is even quite easy to cook.

[wary finch]

Badruu is selling a gardener batch, what is it good for?

[wet glen]

Best crops to make money on? I couldn't get enough fir thebdragon plushies ;[

[winged bay]

i have been doing well with tomatoes

[wet glen]

What do you fertilize with?

[winged bay]

Quality always .... Try to maximise the Starred Version of the Tomatoes

[wet glen]

Is that the worm one of the glow worm one?

I havent gotten into fertilizer yet just want to know what I should make more of

[vagrant flint]

tomatoes have helped me make a lot of gold because of the multiple harvests, but i also recommend having 2-3 preserves jars on your plot when you can, pickled veggies/jams sell for more!

[winged bay]

Brown Turd .... i get it when i use tomatoes in the Worm Farm

[winged bay]

this is good too ... but the turnaround of tomatoes is why i stick with them

[wet glen]

Gotcha, thanks guys. I gotta start holding money I can't miss out on another cool pushie> ;[

Hoarding*

[short hatch]

IS there a reason that some apple trees grow faster than other ones planted on the same day? I have one tree that hasn't grown at all since planting while the other two are full-sized trees. It has the same fertilizer, planted on the same day, and no weeds.

[narrow plinth]

do you have blueberries planted up against some trees by any chance? both blueberries and apples trees give a grow boosts to surrounding crops

[dusty kayak]

out of sync issues have been a thing

one of my trees often ends up needing an extra 2 days than the others usually lol

[short hatch]

no blueberries, just tomatoes and cabbage

[narrow plinth]

ah I was wondering if that was a thing but thought it was my own fault somehow

[short hatch]

thanks. I'm about to give up on apples. They are annoying to try to keep up with

[winged bay]

there could be different Factors .... How much you Water them ... What is Planted Next to them ... What Fertilizer you use on them ... it varies

[limpid plinth]

new profit garden layout with new crops?

[winged bay]

what do you mean ???

am i allowed to place Links here .... becasue i have a great Link to a Garden Planner to help maximize Profit and Yields ?

[limpid plinth]

like whats the new crop layout for profit

[winged bay]

Check your DMs

[limpid plinth]

its fine to post it in here i belive iv seen others do that. and i already have the website. i just wanted to see if enyone has comeup with a new strat for farming

[clear kindle]

my layout was the old layout just the cabbage replaced potatoes and the bok choy replaced carrots with 5 apple trees

[sand kindle]

most people use this garden planner https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[limpid plinth]

curent layout (just swaped potatos and carrots for new crops)

potatos is still more profit tho if you turn them in to seeds :/

[stable sandal]

why do you sell apple jam? apple seeds are worth more! i'm confused ;_;

[slow flame]

Have you checked how many apples are needed to make one seed ?

[stable sandal]

oh

right

didn't think about it

ty ❤️

[stable sandal]

how much can you reach with this layout?

i'm using this one i've made right now so i can have everything i need for cooking, but don't really know much about gardening and selling stuff

the more i look for guides, the more i am confused

can anyone enlighten me? pls

[limpid plinth]

i think it was 80k-83k every 30 days

[wild hazel]

Bok choy is the real money maker

[limpid plinth]

i mean potato seeds still do better at 80 coins with 4 seeds per 1 tater

[wild hazel]

They take longer to harvest

[stable sandal]

do you sell bok choy seeds, jam or crop?

[wild hazel]

Seeds

[bleak abyss]

man i wish i could have more than 9 farming plots

[stable sandal]

what about tomato seeds? it seems to me they grow quite fast and sell well

[peak spear]

Pickled nets more but that's if you got room in perserves

[flat jackal]

how does fertiliser work? do i put it on for each harvest cycle or just once when I plant

[median pulsar]

what is fastest way to level gardening palia ?

[clear kindle]

you only get experience for harvesting the crops, so you can either go with crops that don't take a long time from plant to harvest (bok choy/carrot/rice all take 3 days to grow, which with the right layout would be 100% weed/100% harvest boost), or you go with higher level crops that take longer, but give more experience when harvested (apples take 12 days to grow but give 270 experience with each harvest i believe)

[median pulsar]

im just level 5 so i didnt open apple yet

so i think my best choice is the low time crops

[clear kindle]

bok choy, rice and carrot would be the best then

[median pulsar]

can i have the layout of level 5 ?

which you mention (right layout)

[clear kindle]

yeah, let me see if i can get one for you

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkRWBkBkBkRBkBk-BkBkBkBkWBkBkRBk-RWBkBkBkBkBkBkR-WBkRBkBkWBkBkR-BkBkBkBkBkBkBkWBk-RBkWWBkBkRBkBk-WBkBkRBkBkBkBkR-BkRBkBkBkBkWBkR-BkBkRBkBkWWBkBk

this one focuses on bok choy, rice and wheat.

since you will need to water the crops to keep them growing, you can weed at the same time, earning a little bit of gold along with working towards the weed achievement

the wheat grows in 4 days instead of 3

[minor briar]

Is it more profitable to turn crops into seeds to sell for profit or is there not much difference between them?

[flat jackal]

i was told more profitable to turn them into seeds except for starred cotton its better to sell that on its own

[flat jackal]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit im using this website to take a look at whats profitable

[minor briar]

Thank you! I'm nearly at the point of getting preserve jars, but in the meantime, I have all these crops and no idea what to really do with them. Sometimes I use them for cooking, but then I wondered about the seeds, so!

[flat jackal]

if i put for example, 2 tomato crops next to each other will they still give the water retain to each other or does it need to be different crops

[hot aspen]

i hope we got more trees eventually i would really like to be able to plant other fruit trees

[clear kindle]

needs to be different crops

[flat jackal]

hm okay

this is going to be my new plan for now until i unlock other fertilisers, thoughts? any changes maybe ?

i am currently farming lvl 7

[median pulsar]

thanks

[gaunt ridge]

If I plant a starred seeds and apply quantity increase fertilizer everyday, will all the crops still be starred? Please @ me !! Ty

[visual lake]

Not necessarily... U get both starred and unstarred from the same crop... I only use starred seeds and qual up fertilizer

[gaunt ridge]

Ok! Good to know

[visual lake]

Tbh idk if it's something that has changed in the latest update... Didn't see it in the patch notes

[heavy ledge]

does anyone remember what the price for soil used to be? because now it’s 3000 gold and i swear it was never that expensive

or does the price for soil gradually increase the more you buy it?

[visual lake]

Yup

[heavy ledge]

oh man thank you for letting me know

[neat vortex]

I have seen this advice passed around multiple times, and it straight up confuses me. From what I can tell, raw starred cotton sells for 67g, or produces 3 starred seeds at 30g each (90g total). I can understand not putting the starred cotton in a loom (because that does lose value), but why not seed it...?
Am I just missing something?

Or is this ^ site out of date? (https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit)

Maybe the value added per crafter hour is just super low, and that's why...? (haven't run the numbers on that)

[calm mist]

any layout for apple and blueberries farm with water retain?

[clear kindle]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-CbTCbA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-TCbA.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.H-A.HA.HCbA.HA.HTA.HA.HCb-A.HA.HA.HB.HB.HCbB.HB.HT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.H-CbB.HB.HTB.HB.HA.HA.HA.H-CbA.HA.HTA.HA.HCbA.HA.H-A.HB.HB.HA.HB.HB.HA.HCbT-A.HA.HA.HA.HA.HA.HCbTCb

5 apple, 4 blueberry

harvest boost fert only on the apples and blueberries since those would probably be the only things that i would harvest

[calm mist]

Thanks!

btw, is it possible to farm on second slot?
or when the 6am comes, only farm on activated slots will get updated?

[clear kindle]

not able to farm on another plot, the nine that you have is the nine for all of them

[neat vortex]

As a question, is there such a thing as a layout that provides 100% water/weed AND 100% HarvestBoost prior to unlocking glow worm farms or fruit (i.e., without fertilizer)? My attempts in the garden planner say "lol no" but I figured y'all would know, if anybody would.

[wary finch]

most is about a 50% increase, just bok choy is nearly a 100% increase.

it is a trade-off between time spent with more money vs. immediate money, but less of it.

[wary finch]

this isn't 100% each, but pretty near

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-TCWRBkRPTBk-CBkPTPWCWBk-BkPBkRTRCPW-WRTCBkPTCW-BkRTTBkCRTBk-PTRWBkCRTP-PBkCRWTBkRP-BkPTRWRBkCBk-BkCWTBkRPTW

[frail escarp]

Seems virtually impossible. The corners are capable of receiving only 2 buffs, making 100% of 3 buffs only doable with fertiliser

[neat vortex]

That's about what I was figuring!

[jovial sun]

Could you do it by making the corner one of the 2x2 or 3x3 plants?

[frail escarp]

Nah, same deal. 2x2 and 3x3 plants needs 2 and 3 tiles of a buff respectively to receive it. A bush or tree in the corner would have 2 of its sides cut off, which locks it to 2 buffs total

[elfin blaze]

can't wait to turn my house into a glowing nightmare forge

[jovial sun]

Ah yeah i forgot about that

[burnt grail]

This is the layout I use!

It suits me because I like a lot of variety in my harvests. I also like to swap the corn out for bok choy after harvest, then nappa, then back to corn. Yields a pretty good profit too

Ever since I switches to preserves I have been making money a bit slower, but the extra payout is worth it if you're willing to wait a while

[restive elm]

this is why garden is so amazing for making gold...Didn't play much for the last few days other than a few occasional restock of the worm farms and preserve jars....but came back to this today.

[mortal moth]

just thinknig instead of them making new plots for more farming stuff, why not add a seperate bit (like the pavilion they've just added) called an orchard, that u have to add so many seeds/fertilizer into, to grow fruit trees that way the farmings not effect and we can still keep fruit trees if we want! @cedar hare

[wary finch]

farm animal husbandry would be nice, it requires quite an amount of space and would give alternate housing plots a real purpose. Feed for the animals (like corn) could be grown in the garden. And the products would be those Badruu's wife is selling, milk, butter and eggs. Pigs for pork and the cattle already in the game for a beef equivalent, chicken for eggs. Well and what about cheese making, there are so many ways, Palia's husbandry and farming sector could be extended.

Mayor Kemli would surely approve of it.

this said, I would as well be for decorative flower patches and decorative orchards (like an olive grove) would be good for those housing plots, where we don't have a normal garden.

Well the olive grove could eventually give cooking oil.

[left portal]

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOCWROCrP-CPTCrWRTOC-OCP.HCrWTPRO-TRCPWOCCrT-WRWPTCWRW-TCrCOWPCRT-ORPTWCrP.HCO-COTRWCrTPC-PCrORWCOTP.H

New crops: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-P.HTOCWROCrCb-CCbTCrWRTBkC-BkCP.HCrWCbPRO-TRCPWOBkCrCb-WRWPTCWRW-CbCrBkOWCbBkRT-ORPCbWCrP.HCBk-COTRWCrTCbBk-CbCrBkRWCOCbP.H

If you make weeds land on Napa Cabbage and Corn, this is the best Max Blueberry Farm: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WCr.WRPBBRBB-PTWBBBBBB-RPCb.WBBBBBB-WTPBBBBBB-RWTBBBBBB-PRWBBTBBP-RPTCr.WBBCb.WBB-WRPCr.WBBCr.WBB-TWRCb.WBBCb.WBB

Same weeds on Corn, max apples: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cr.WA.SA.SCr.WA.SA.SWA.SA.S-A.ST.HA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.S-A.SA.SCr.WA.SA.SCr.WA.SA.SW-TA.SA.SP.HA.SA.STA.SA.S-A.SWA.SA.SCr.WA.SA.SWA.S-A.SA.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST-WA.SA.SCr.WA.SA.SCr.WA.SA.S-A.STA.SA.SP.HA.SA.ST.HA.S-A.SA.SWA.SA.SCr.WA.SA.SCr.W

Weeds on napa cabbage here for a great mix, with option of throwing in any crop in place of blueberries for fast yield on demand: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WPR.HAAAAAA-Cb.WCrATWAB.HB.HA-AACb.WAAPAAR.H-AAACrWB.HCb.WTB.H-B.HB.HB.HB.HCb.WB.HB.HB.HB.H-B.HTCb.WB.HWCrAAA-R.HAAPAACb.WAA-AB.HB.HAWTACrCb.W-AAAAAAR.HPCb.W

[neat vortex]

Very tidy, thank you! I'm taking notes. Still uses fertilizer on the corners, though...

[left portal]

Example want some bok choy: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-Cb.WPR.HAAAAAA-Cb.WCrATWABk.HBk.HA-AACb.WAAPAAR.H-AAACrWBk.HCb.WTBk.H-Bk.HT.HBk.HT.HCb.WT.HBk.HT.HBk.H-Bk.HTCb.WBk.HWCrAAA-R.HAAPAACb.WAA-ABk.HBk.HAWTACrCb.W-AAAAAAR.HPCb.W

Yes it’s optimized

[neat vortex]

oooh there's a RING of harvest boost plants!! 😱 that's so cool

I love the apple pinwheel, too

[left portal]

Yes the patterns also make these easy to harvest/replace

[neat vortex]

tbh that's one of the most important things to me

even though I do the one-by-one method

If I can't look at the plot and know that it's correct, it never quite feels settled to me

[left portal]

Have you experimented with weed planting?

The way weeds work is they will land on a random crop location, but will not land if weed prevention is on that cell. So you can keep weed prevention on all cells except where you want weeds to grow and within about 20-30 cycles you will never need weed block or weed prevention crops again. Just do not pick the weeds, and dont harvest the weeded crop

Unfortunately weeds are not diverted directly to where you want them. They remain random until 9 lay in the garden, then no more will grow. So the first 3-6 weeds will land fast, the last 3 may take time, with the last one being the slowest to land.

@upper mist feel free to add any of these recent above layouts to your doc if you want to.

[neat vortex]

I have not experimented with it myself, but I've heard of folks having a sacrificial garden XD

[left portal]

@gloomy olive too if you think any would be wanted in your newbie friendly doc

[neat vortex]

The more I stare at this the cooler it gets 🤩 🤩 🤩

[neat vortex]

When you use this method, what plants do you sacrifice/leave unharvested?

Carrots? XD

just for irony...

[neat vortex]

Ahhh I think I see what you mean now by "weeds on..." in your other examples!

Sacrificial napa

I really really really don't want to swap to a 9x9 because they make my head spin (metaphorically) when I try to look at them in-game, but some of these layouts are so tidy and clever that I am very nearly tempted

[sage dove]

Can someone tell me what is the meaning of water retain / weed retain when i press examine on crops?

I'm new btw

[neat vortex]

Welcome! :D

[sage dove]

Thank you :3

[neat vortex]

"Water retain" means that the plant it appears on is benefiting from a buff given by one of its direct neighbors, and doesn't need to be watered until it's replanted. The weed one ("weed prevention" iirc?) means it won't grow weeds (which block growth).

[sage dove]

What happens if our crops without "weed prevention" got weed?

[neat vortex]

If it's not finished growing yet, you'll need to pluck the weed that appears on/underneath the plant before it will continue growing. If it's left on there long enough, the plant will also need to be watered again.

I guess the weed steals the water from the plant XD

If the plant is already fully-grown and ready to harvest, the weed doesn't do anything. It just has to be plucked before you can harvest the plant.

[sage dove]

Ah I see~
Okay I got it now, there is sooo much to learn
I have to learn one by one

Thank you so much!

[neat vortex]

Yes, there's a lot, haha! You're very welcome. If you haven't seen it yet, this site (and the linked guide) may be useful to you: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[sage dove]

hold on!

shocking

i didnt know fertilisers will look that way

[neat vortex]

The swirls/sparkles and pellets on the plant?

[sage dove]

Yup!

[reef comet]

is there a reason why whenever I collect my tomato plants sometimes i got to replant them?

[dusty kayak]

they harvest a few times before needing replanting

[reef comet]

gotcha, ty

[dusty aspen]

Hi everyone! Is the main way to utilize making multiple crops through having different gardens on your various housing plots? I just got to apple seeds and noticed it takes a large portion. Should I Put apples on one housing plot garden and make a new garden for other crops? Is that typical? Thank you 🙂

[wary finch]

you can harvest 4 times from multi-harvest crop, then you will have to replant them.

[reef comet]

ty 🙂

[wary finch]

we have just those 9 soil plots in total, not a different garden on every plot.

[dusty kayak]

all i grow are apples my worm farms crave apple jam and they must be appeased

[slow flame]

No, crops give boosts to crops planted next to them so separating everything is not the way

[dusty aspen]

ohh wow really? I was anticipating more xD.. Thank you

[dusty kayak]

absolutely play with the garden planner a bit

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/

[dusty aspen]

I get the boosts parts and staggering them next to each other, I just meant like, It doesn't seem likely to be able to plant every single type of crop on just the 9 slots. So I thought you could have multiple sets of 9 across the housing plots. But I now that is not the case xD

[wary finch]

I did too, but you will find over time, that those 9 plots create more than enough income with post-processing in seeders, preserve jars and worm farms.

[slow flame]

You can totally have every type of crops at the same time (I do) but most choose not to

[wary finch]

you can as well use 6 on one plot and 3 on another housing plot, but it is not really that useful.

[dusty aspen]

hmm thats awesome, I just got my first apple and it took so much space plus the blue berry and spicy pepper, I was like wow these cover a lot of space haha

[dusty kayak]

i did every crop until i had like 100 of each then swapped to a money making plot
just keeping inventory for cooking

[dusty aspen]

Thanks for the insight everyone, I appreciate it. Its my first full week of playing and I have had a blast.

[wary finch]

my youngest character is using this single apple tree layout with berries and peppers

https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11111-11111_CROPS-Bk.QBBRBBSp.QSp.QSp.Q-R.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QSp.QRSp.Q-C.QB.QB.QBkB.QB.QSp.QRSp.Q-R.QB.QB.QCrB.QB.QSp.QAA-NNNNNNACr.QR.Q-Sp.QSp.QSp.QRBBBk.QBB-Sp.QBkSp.QRB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-Sp.QBkSp.QRB.QB.QBk.QB.QB.Q-Sp.QAARAABk.QWCo.Q-AB.QB.QAB.QB.QNNN

it isn't overwhelming, 5 seeders, 7 jars and 2 worm farms are enough for a 5k+ per day income.

with the apple tree care for that there is no weed in the middle of it, it is hard to see and easily overlooked.

[true saffron]

hi atlantis!

so i have a 100% water retain plot, but when i wake up every morning my crops aren't ready. why would this be?

[clear kindle]

crops don't grow when you are offline. they get one growth tic and then stop

[true saffron]

that's annoying. thanks tho

[tall egret]

What are the current gold growers? I was doing apples into preserves and feeding glowworms when I took a vacay.

Oh, and potatoes for preserves for focus food

[dusty kayak]

regular worm farm is better then glow worm farm if just selling worms and fert, but if you fish with all the glow worms you make then thats better

[mild oak]

Whats the best way to sell tomatoes to make the most cash?? I have soooooo many tomatoes 😳

[mild oak]

Incredible, thank you!!

[tall hound]

What is the current best profit layout/strat for making gold now off farming?

all my layouts were around cake baking, i just wanna solo-farm and sell now

i have all the stuff to do jarring/woms/seeds at scale, would prefer not to cook tho

[wild hazel]

Find a bok choy layout you like

[tall hound]

and seed them?

[wild hazel]

Yes

https://youtu.be/iIPyICxETtQ?si=Xln7yfuuLNL8iWTs

[tall hound]

looks like this is what he's suggesting yeah? looks good 😄

[tacit stratus]

With the new crops you can replace carrots or onions with bok choi

you can also replace tomatos or potatos with cabbage

[twilit jay]

i have star seeds for everything, but decided to make a garden like this, to give myself some hard mode in efficient gardening. making my plot look nice is a bigger prio than making profit from it 🙂

so thank you @tacit stratus i will use your 3x3 options

[tacit stratus]

it is pretty that way. You end up with too much cotton over time. So swap that out for rice or wheat (or bok choi or cabbage) depending on what you need.

[quaint pewter]

sorry if this has already been asked recently! is there an updated optimal gold output layout?

[hearty abyss]

Crops bloom at 6 am, right?

[dusty kayak]

they growth tick at 6 am yes

[dusty kayak]

an option for you :3

they work separately

[hearty abyss]

Ooooooo thank you!!!

[dusty kayak]

can replace the crops with whatever you need that does the same effect

[narrow widget]

Gold 69,479 - Gold 2,316 /day
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PWPTCrTPRP-AAAAAAAAA-RCrWPTPWCrR-AAAAAAAAA-WCrRPTPRCrW-AAAAAAAAA-PRPTCrTPWP-AAAAAAAAA

I know of this one, I modified it for my personal needs (I need peppers for chili dumplings)
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-AAAAAAAAA-PWPTCrTPRP-AAAAAAAAA-TSpSpPSpSpRPT-AAAAAAAAA-SpSpTSpSpPTPR-AAAAAAAAA-PRPTCrTPWP-AAAAAAAAA

[quaint pewter]

tysm!

[stable ginkgo]

@quaint pewter this is my layout that according to my math is the most profitable per tile, video going over the math was shared just a few posts above

[quaint pewter]

ty as well!

[tall hound]

Great video 🫡 thank you sir

[stable ginkgo]

You’re very welcome! Enjoy your newfound riches!! Hahaha

[sage wharf]

OoOO Me like me like 💛
*Dont mind me, Im just gonna... grab that info and use it * =^_^=
(Pic of the EXTRAS 100% LAZY) XD

[red hatch]

i sat here for pretty much 2 hours to get this, im amazed at myself

[oak imp]

I am so lazy when it comes to gardening. I normally only use apples, blueberries, corn and potatoes. I don't really like using a lot of variety. I tend to forget where I planted what. It is probably why I don't make a lot of money.

This layout looks nice though.

[red hatch]

thats so real, i also am usually lazy

i just needed a little of everything for cooking, and i dont like watering so i was determined

[oak imp]

I recently started adding in peppers and cabbage so that is more variety. I am making a little more money now with pickling them.

[icy scaffold]

i'm hearing good things about bok choy. Is it more profitable to put them in the seed maker or the pickling barrels?

[stable ginkgo]

Seeds make more money but do take longer.

[dusty kayak]

looks like seeds is the way to go

just make multiple seed makers and split up your crop among them

so instead of say
1 per time interval
you have 1 crop in 5 seed makers
its then 5 per time interval

[stable ginkgo]

What Sen said! I’ve got like 20 seeders and just let them run overnight. Money just rolls in

[icy scaffold]

yeah i'm currently doing that with potatoes and cotton, I could switch out potatoes for this and see if my profits increase

[dusty kayak]

thats me with jam in jars and worm farms
12 jars and 8 worm farms

sleep money best money

[icy scaffold]

how much money? I made about 8k when i logged in this morning

[stable ginkgo]

Should increase by 25% going from potatoes to bok choy.

[dusty kayak]

i make around 15 to 20k when i wake up from worms and fert
depending on how much i stayed online for crops to grow

[icy scaffold]

nice

I think my problem is that I spend money as fast as I make it

[dusty kayak]

i get around 30 to 40k a day with selling and refilling when i wake up and before bed
but uhhhh

[icy scaffold]

i'm definitely underperforming then

[stable ginkgo]

Do you craft those or buy them? I haven’t used kits yet

[icy scaffold]

you have to buy them

i wish they were craftable

[stable ginkgo]

Ah thanks!

[reef lichen]

any tricks or tips to unsoil the plots ?

[dusty kayak]

plant a cheap seed and destroy it a couple times

like wheat or something

[left portal]

I sacrifice the crop that has the worst yield, per the layout. So example if a corner crop doesn’t have water retain, it would be a good target for a weed. Most of the time it will be a HarvestBoost or WaterRetain crop (I typically mark them on the layout as Corn or Napa Cabbage). They still apply their boosts to adjacent crops.

[ivory raptor]

is there a good layout for growing all the cooking crops that also is decently profitable?

[left portal]

When I need all crops I use this layout. You get weeds to land on the line of 9 Napa cabbage on the right side, so weeds no longer grow on any other crops: https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-11-11-11-11-11_CROPS-NNCo.HpNNP.HpNNA.S-Sp.HpSp.HpNSp.HpSp.HpNA.SA.SN-B.HpB.HpA.SB.HpB.HpA.SC.HpBk.HpA.Hp-A.SA.SCb.WA.SA.SCb.WA.HpA.HpCb.W-B.HpB.HpA.HpB.HpB.HpA.HpR.HpCr.HpW.Hp-A.HpA.HpCb.WA.HpA.HpCb.WB.HB.HCb.W-A.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.HpA.Hp-B.HB.HCb.WB.HB.HCb.WB.HB.HCb.W-Cb.HA.SA.ST.HA.SA.SO.HA.SA.S-A.SCb.HT.HA.SSp.HSp.HA.SSp.HSp.H

[wary finch]

I like, that it has the same soil plot layout as my garden with that slightly shifted 9th plot. I use it as well upright in my garden, but plan it horizontally, because a screen is wider than tall. I finally placed my windmill seen from the top of garden in a knight's distance (chess piece, writ grid) in a clearance of the forest. So now this garden is nicely embedded, NNE of it my windmill in a forest clearing, forest on the east side and my new pavilion is SE of it. Watering pond to it's south and SW my crafting area in the southeast corner of my house. All very compact, but nevertheless feels quite spacious.

[wild hazel]

I use this layout when I want all crops with 100% water and weed:
https://palia-garden-planner.vercel.app/?layout=v0.2_DIM-111-111-111_CROPS-BkOBPTBCOCb-BCbTBCCrPOW-CBkCoWTPCbOC-TCrWCbOBkWCrP-AAAAAAAAA-PCrRBkOCbRCrT-COCbPTRCoBkC-ROPWCSpTCbSp-CbOCSpTPSpOBk

[urban canyon]

Has anyone done a profit for crops - including number of soil spots taken, harvest time n original cost ?

Cuz someone said apple is most profitable, but it takes like a 3x3 slot n feels like maybe putting 9 of a different crops(5*4) might give higher, or like more profit, crop money results ?

[raw violet]

I don't have it on me, but I saw a chart like that on reddit. You're right, the apple ranks pretty low on the list due to how many plot spots it takes up. I'll see if I can find the graphic

This is the one

[urban canyon]

Thanka so much !!

[urban canyon]

Bdw anyone know how this compares to worm bin ? For crops

[neat vortex]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit may be helpful?

Or did you mean something else?

I've been working on putting together a comparison of all of the crafter recipes in terms of value added per crafter slot hour, but it's, uh, not finished yet...

There's also this spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZpJbBn-TJWTOSBlPalBIB0HeAlVfjfhdHWsZ5qFtN3Y/edit#gid=962850475
(not my work! created by DZK312/Chloe Larson)
but it is out of date in many respects, so everything has to be re-checked against current values. At least for the previously-available crops, the "Crop price paths" sheet does show "value added over base" and "value added per minute of processing"

(I personally find the "per minute" metric to be harder to wrap my brain around, because time math is wonky, so I decided to just go with "per crafter slot hour" since worm farm stuff always takes an hour... but, this all may be neither here nor there)

[neat vortex]

I tried contacting the creator but wasn't able to connect with them on Discord :(

[urban canyon]

This is lovely

Ur so cool for doing this, this is great

[neat vortex]

omg oh no that spreadsheet isn't mine! It was made by DZK312/Chloe Larson (don't want to @ them about it... someone braver than me can though)

On the other hand, this is mine, but it's not publicly shareable yet (embedded in my "scratchpad" spreadsheet while I work on the more comprehensive list)

[gleaming mason]

Do i need to apply quality fertilizer everyday until the crop is ready, or can i just put it on the day i harvest them?

[neat vortex]

To my understanding, at least if I'm correctly understanding the wiki page (https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Fertilizer), every growth tick where the fertilizer is present to be consumed adds to the chances of getting the buff result when you harvest. So, if you want the full chance, it needs to be on there every day. However, you can just apply a bunch all at once (they will stack on the tile and tick down as they are consumed), so you don't have to do it every day.

I put 50 on mine and just re-up it periodically. (This is also how I keep track of whether or not my dang tomatoes will go poof if I harvest them this time 😂)

[gleaming mason]

Tysm!!!!!

[neat vortex]

swear those tomato plants are a jumpscare

"oh cool they're ready lemme just swoop through here real qu--" POP

😑

[sage wharf]

Anyone else cant plant?
I randomly cant plant anymore 1min ago. 🤔

EDIT: working again xD

[young quail]

What's the best thing to input for harvestboost fertilizer?

[wary finch]

I admire you for putting together all the data. I will add something "philosophical" to it though. Regardless whatever layout you choose, and be it the best possible at any given time, you will always have too less money for what you desire in the first half of the game, and in the 2nd half, when you rake in tons of money, you lack things you desire. So don't care too much about optimizing, you won't feel that much better either way money-wise. Care for what is really important, fun per hour spent.

[wary finch]

the best is relative, easiest to acquire with good output could be "best", if you focus on how easy it is to run your worm farm. But "best" could as well be highest income, regardless of what it takes to achieve it. And this again is subdivided into best per hour played, best with x amount of online hours per day, best per time unit regardless of on- or offline. So what is your kind of "best"?

[wary finch]

it is a bug with connection to services disruptions on the housing plot, it can happen as well with other stations or services. The dev team is working hard to iron it out.

[urban canyon]

Ooh, this is so cool

Bdw, is it okay to give some ideas ?

N can i dm u for that, or just put a couple here

[wary finch]

let us take part in your thinking, maybe we can brainstorm together.

[sage wharf]

aaaah tyty ^^

[upper mist]

I got the rights on that one but havent been able to update yet!

I got some stuff going on irl right now that prevents me from putting my focus on the things I want, but I'll be looking at it asap!!

I might be able to do it quicker with your help though if you're keen!!

[narrow widget]

Hope things are okay and get better soon 🫶

[neat vortex]

Oh yes totally! What's the best way to assist?

[upper mist]

Awesome 😄 I'll DM you tomorrow or the day after if you don't mind then we can see what's in need of updating and see from there?

[neat vortex]

lol this is extremely true, especially about "always struggle in the first half." There are many, MANY one-time purchases to make in the process of getting set up, so a cash flow pinch seems pretty unavoidable until those "needs" are met. And the "are you having fun?" question is also all-important. (That said, I do make spreadsheets like this as part of my enjoyment of the game - because I like seeing what numbers fall out. Sometimes they're surprising! it's like baby science, lol)

Great reminder nonetheless

[tender tangle]

Am I really losing a lot of money if I don’t use the optimal crop growing guide?

[clear kindle]

i feel it's more along how you play. if you are out there fishing/mining/bug hunting/foraging constantly for materials, you can easily make up for a sub-par garden layout. if you are not online often or don't have much time to play having a more optimal gardening layout where you have seeders and preserve jars going at all times would be better because the crafters still continue to produce even offling imo

but at the end of the day, everything is based on what you want/need from the game

[tender tangle]

Okay great! Thanks

[orchid orbit]

hello! does anyone know, does gardening skill level effect the chances of getting starred crops? Like the higher skill, the more likely you get starred? My skill is level 69 and every single thing I plant comes out starred. No fertilizer, not planted next to crops that increase chances of starred, just normal seeds producing starred crops every single time. For the most part that is ok and good. But sometimes I am purposely trying to get regular crops to give out for the occasional gift request and you can't gift starred items., and I'm having zero luck getting normal crops.

[clear kindle]

yeah it does, starting with level 25 getting star crops only from star seeds. once you hit 50 everything is going to be starred even from regular seeds from the store

[orchid orbit]

ah-ha, thank you! I was wondering if it was something like that rather than me just having really, really good RNG. guess I can sell all my quality-up fertilizer then 😀

[clear kindle]

nope just levels

[stray stump]

How do I get SpeedyGro Fertilizer?

[clear kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tr5KdvomPxOsA93HC9S7vDdP_bnffWifpwwQPCectdg/edit#gid=0

worm farms for the fertilizers or you can place blueberries or apples next to the crops

[quaint pier]

whats a good garden set up if you want at least one of every crop? i have all soil plots and all seeds/ crops unlocked 🙂

[dusty kayak]

important to harvest boost apple trees

[quaint pier]

you rock 😄

[dusty kayak]

thank you for the reminder i needed to update a doc of mine for cabbage and bok choy XD

[zealous edge]

Hey laddies, lassies and everyone inbetween

Are spicy peppers worth it? 😳 what do you do with them? 🤔 i figured I might get them !

[tardy talon]

i typically pickle mine lol

[nimble rapids]

I pickle mine and then feed them to the worms when I'm mad at the fish.

[dusty kayak]

Updated my gardening doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit?usp=sharing

[zealous edge]

I for some reason don't have:

• barrels for pickling yet?? (Wtat am I doing wrong?? LMAO)
• apples ??
• to make jam ??
• glow worm farm??

Bro I have no clue why I don't have those things yet, I'm farming and fishing and foraging like my life depended on it

Crafting as well, I mine for ore all days basically just to go home and smelt everything just to make new stuff !
I have no clue whats going on lmao

I have like 4 seed collectors now and 2 worm farms, and I have 8 soil plots so far. Gonna buy the 9th soon, finally 👍

Maybe that's what's wrong, really.

I'm 100% missing something

(I'm probably too distracted by Jel and Tish lets be real)

[zealous edge]

ALSO THIS IS...

[clear kindle]

you get the preserve jar recipe from badruu level 8 gardening, which you place your crops into for pickling/jams

you can get apples one of 4 ways - level 3 friendship quests with nai'o and zeki, zeki's machine through luck, having apple pie recipe you can request the apples for it (do this 10 times to make an apple seed), or by buying a seed from the gardening guild for 250 coins

glow worm farm is a recipe that you get from einar with level 7 fishing

[zealous edge]

THANK YOU !!

Basically just gotta keep grinding then especially the fishing...

[neat vortex]

I learned the other day that the glow worms must not like spicy peppers*, because starred pickled peppers give less worms and fertilizer than they are worth to sell plain! a rare example of processing reducing value.

*I know it's because of formula breakpoints due to rounding but still lol

[tardy moon]

I do not recall who posted this recently (I think a few people did), but the Palia Garden Planner has completely changed my gardening. After 3 in game days, I have signifcantly less weeds and am using significantly less water.

So thankful right now for the resource and the people here who posted

[reef comet]

what sells for the most money? (includes if you turn it into a seed)

[wary finch]

have a look at https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

you know, questions like yours are so unspecific and hard to answer, because if I'd tell you what really makes the most money, it wouldn't help you a bit, because you wouldn't ask in the first place, if you could actually make use of that information. So it is better to just give a link like this,then you can figure out by yourself, what gets you the most with those abilities you currently have.

[wild hazel]

Bok choy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160984775025250364/1213802264830156830/RDT_20240303_0456274252958158404195300.jpg?ex=65f6cc73&is=65e45773&hm=be4e2cb20823f68c571d0036e899894961abe4a8b8688d7efdf4234df2af232e&

[wary finch]

if you plant the whole garden in one go, this is about what you will get after the stated days since you planted your garden.

[frank shoal]

I would love some inspiration for gardening design. Not from the perspective of making it as productive as possible, but rather a cozy place to hang out, do some gardening and maybe craft. 🥰 I’ve scrolled through this group and saved some ideas, but would love to see more.

[wild hazel]

can someone help me with a 100%water, 100%weed layout with maximum number of Bok Choy?

[dusty kayak]

this but replace a crop that does the same buff with bok choy

[wild hazel]

thx!

[hot pelican]

Are there any easy/clever ways to spread fertilizer that doesn't involve spam clicking. It always feels like i'm begging for an RSI when I empty my worm farm every day.

[muted tusk]

Hi, this is so helpful! I just unlocked blueberries, but should I not use them until level 25? Thanks!

[dusty kayak]

you can use them if you want them
if your goal is money, i'd quality boost them and then seed them and sell the seeds

the mention of pre or post level 25 is based on how once past level 25 you will nearly always get star quality crops from star quality seeds so you don't need to quality boost if you're already using star seeds past 25, but still should if you want to be optimal before 25

if your goal is cooking you don't really need a lot of blueberries at the moment for cooking so I personally stocked up a hundred and then stopped growing them as other crops can do money a bit better

but you can also just like blueberries or find growing them fun etc play how you want

[muted tusk]

I see, wow their seeds sell for a lot! Thank you your guide is superrr useful!

[cold blaze]

selling them as seeds is more profit than selling them direct from harvest?

[dusty kayak]

yes :)

[cold blaze]

I am learnign...

[shut bolt]

Currently waiting for my garden slots to become un tilled so I can remove them.....

[dusty kayak]

plant a cheap crop like wheat or something and destroy it :p

[shut hearth]

cant u just untill with the hoe

or does that only remove a crop

[dusty kayak]

that only removes a crop and does not untill

[stable sandal]

how do you destroy a tile??

[round haven]

yes i also wanna know how to destroy a tile?!

[bronze geyser]

Would you get more profit from making apples in to seeds than jam as well?

[clear kindle]

jam apples and only seed what you need. it takes 10 apples to make one seed

[bronze geyser]

❤

Thank you!

[flat patio]

hey guys, what's the most profitable thing to produce and sell as a Palian gardener?

are tomatos good?

because I'm currently making and selling star seeds but I don't know if pickled tomatos would be better?

[clear kindle]

https://www.paliatracker.com/gold-profit

[cold blaze]

curious how you (or anyone else with a similar "little bit of everything" type plot) handle the harvest? I keep confusing myself trying to think about what to pickle/jam, what to throw in the worm farm, what to save for cooking, what to sell as seeds, how to order seed maker timing so I don't run out for re-planting...

[burnt grail]

It depends on what I'm harvesting.

First: I'll only harvest one type of crop at a time, for this example, let's use potatoes.

I harvest the potatoes, and then gather what potato seeds I have, and fill in the leftover empty spaces. That's one step taken care of.

Afterwards: deciding what should go into the seed maker and what should go into the perserves jar.

I generally try and keep twice or three times the amount of seeds as there is crops. Say I have twelve potato crops. Personally I'd want at least 24 seeds to fall back on. So I have my 24 seeds, plant 12, am left with 12. Well now I need to put 3 of my potatoes in the machine to make my seeds back. Might as well make it 4 or 5, so I have something to fall back on just in case.

After that's situated, I just stuff the rest in the preserves jar and wait it for it pickle lol.

Essentially, I make things as I harvest them. Whatever was harvested most recently gets processed first.

If you keep going and use harvestboost fertilizer(which I do, liberally), eventually you'll find yourself in quite the surplus.

That's how I do it. Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.

[cold blaze]

that's a huge help!! thank you!

[burnt grail]

Also! I only use star quality seeds. You may need to work your way up to that, but it's worth it, trust. Just process your star quality crop and you'll see some great advancement

[cold blaze]

oh yeah I'm already only using star quality seeds, but it's time to have a plot better than "whatever I happen to have ready as seeds in a massive disorganized blob"

[burnt grail]

We all start somewhere my dude

[wary finch]

it is as well a matter of practice, I know my garden by heart, because I have worked it at least every other day, but most of the time every day. I could redo it anytime without looking at the garden plan. And this is with all my different garden layouts that way, practice makes perfect, it's that simple.

I don't have an everything garden, but do crop rotation, after what I will need in the near future.

I try to do the same with cooking as well, do a recipe as often as is required, to memorize the workflow in an optimized way (optimized for my kitchen, in order to reduce the time required to make the dish). I learned this way for example, what I have to select to make dishes stackable and not generate a bunch of differently valued dishes of the same type. After a while I do not even have to think about it, it became part of muscle memory. And it's the same with gardening, it gets easier with practice

[wary finch]

Another "philosophy" of mine is, things don't have to be the best from an objective viewpoint, but rather be subjectively optimal, in a way which feels good to me and fulfills it's purpose, something I can manage with the abilities, materials, crafters and playtime I have available. Most top layouts don't fulfill these requirements, they generate a lot of money, yes, if and only if you have all the crafters available to actually process all the incoming produce, which is normally not the case until later in the game.

tl;dr what is best for an established player, might not be that optimal for a beginner. Go for what suits you best.

ok, sorry for the wall of text, but this comes always to mind, when I see "end game" layouts suggested to beginners, who neither have the capacity nor the experience to run such a farm successfully.

[tardy talon]

might be wall of text but i think it is helpful info!!

[cold blaze]

I super appreciate all your thoughts!

despite how new I am to actually trying properly, I am level 19 in gardening and can make more crafters whenever, so that shouldn't be too much of a worry hehe

[wary finch]

yeah, I thought more about those below skill level 10 with it. You will be fine with any of the advanced ones.

But a lot see 4 or 5 apple trees on layouts, but don't realize, that 4 apple trees with harvest and speed boost mean 384 apples incoming within 17 days. 40 are required to make the seeds for replanting, but 344 need to be processed on top of all the berries incoming as well. Ok, they could just sell those apples as they are, but then those income numbers will be quite different.

And if they would just sell those directly, a much simpler layout with harvest boosted bok choy and seeders only would make them more money and provide a more evenly distributed skill gain as well.

The latter can be done from the very start and won't overwhelm them.

Sen made a compilation of simpler layouts, which are suitable for beginners, let me see where I have the link to it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyPgetnBlxypFaYzvGSyhGPntXnpMxsm_q8zvXYHEqg/edit#heading=h.4rn3fsx0rkaz

these simpler gardens provide them with what they need for leveling up cooking as well, whereas the later multi-apple tree layouts are basically just growing "money" and provide not much else.

[dusty kayak]

Tbf apple trees make you level twice a day and even past level 100 im leveling once a day the levels are real LOL

[wary finch]

some people have just 15-20hrs per week for gaming, for them it's not like this.

[dusty kayak]

you only need to log in once every 2 hours

can even set it up to water retain with fert and weedblock by leaving weeds not on trees

then you just log in log out

[wary finch]

in a questionaire from s6 was the question "how likely are you to play Palia next week", why would they ask for "next week", if a majority would play a lot? I guess quite a lot of people have not much time for gaming at all.

[wary finch]

see it like that, for someone who has a family, gaming time is rare, they might be able to play for 2 hrs here and there. with apple trees it takes them nearly an rl week until they can harvest for the first time, they are really better off with stuff, they can harvest more often or their motivation will decrease.

already playing every day might cause stress with their spouse, for these people gaming is very different and I'm thinking about them as well.

[urban canyon]

So, I just have to there at 6am ? So I can open the game every hour 5 mins before 6am in game n the crops will grow, n then I turn it off, yes ?

Also, if I put an unholy amount of fertilizer, I never have to hoe a plot again, Yes ?

[dusty kayak]

so since crops growth tick at 6 am and will process a growth off line
you'd only have to log in once every 2 irl hours right before 6am game time

so like
youd go in at a bit before 6 am, do the water, then 6 am hits, do the water again, log out, you're good for a while

[urban canyon]

Ohhh, so 1 growth is offline

So, awsm

So only once every two hours, a 6am log, n a in game log n tick, n then reset to go in game again, to get crop

Awssm, thanks !

[urban canyon]

Yeah ?

[dusty kayak]

!crops

[compact coral]

Badruu

Why aren't my crops growing?

Crops can only grow up to 1 stage per Palian Day as long as your online. Keep that in mind!

[dusty kayak]

like 5:40 game time be in to do water or whatever, then do it again at 6 then log out and you can wait an extra hour instead of every 1 hour
just to try to clarify

so id say be in the game at like 10th minute or irl hour instead of 15th, then youd only have to be online for 5 or 6 minutes every 2 hours

[tiny monolith]

Erm... why do I suddenly have an extra apple tree in my garden that can't be harvested or watered? It's literally appeared there in the last 10 seconds!

[dusty kayak]

visual bug

[sinful talon]

question ~ the Wiki says that preserving tomatoes has the best sell price (https://palia.wiki.gg/wiki/Gardening), but I'm seeing a lot of people in here seeding the regular quality tomatoes and selling those. is that because it's "quicker" to seed than preserve?

also want to see if people are generally following this or have different advice. like, according to the Wiki chart, I should be using the reg quality cotton to turn into fabric, and then selling the high quality seeds. is this right?

[dusty kayak]

id say preserving is better then seeding if you have the jars, but newbies dont have jars yet and seeding is still better then raw
buuuuuut
also if you have a TON of seeders it's probably faster gold per hour?

let's see....
Quality seed is: 60 gold
quality tomato is 34 gold
it takes 3 tomatoes to make 2 seeds
three 34s is 102
two 60s is 120
so quality tomato seed profit is 18

preserves are 1 to 1 instead of 3 to 2 like seeds
so that's 51 gold per
and a quality tomato is 34 so that's a 17 profit

hm maybe seed is better

unless im missing something

excluding the time it takes to seed vs the time it takes to pickle

If you're running product 24/7. seed is slightly better probably
But if you're leaving it AFK for a long time preserving does more units. since the max stack of 30 lasts longer?

[dusty kayak]

I think the difference is rather minimal, so I would use whatever crafter you have more of

though if you have time to spare, I'd say preserves + regular worm farms

53 gold from worms and fert regular and 71 gold from worms and fert starred

If you do worm farm stuff I find it best to load up before bed, since you're sleeping anyways

thanks for coming to my tedtalk, generally most things have pros and cons and there isn't really a "best" way all around, but a best way for you and your play style

[wary finch]

this took me like a wall of text, you said it in just one sentence.

[dusty kayak]

after a wall of text

[cold blaze]

it's still always helpful to get the longer version to be able to compare details!

[topaz junco]

that some hard math ive only seen before in games like stardew valley

you have to pull on som excel tables for calculating all that lol

[dusty kayak]

oh they exist

look at this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YV_LiHp48shNifWakdZtOI9j6_IqQI0A7dRdr28lHNY/edit?usp=sharing