All the good players are gonna leave if y'all make recoil easy.

[signal umbra]

We ain't drop thousands of hours into learning recoil for it to be made easy for the new players. And the people saying it will make it easier to play against cheaters probably think everyone who triples them is a cheater.

If recoil is made easy the whole aspect from the game is gone and there will be no skill gap. The only skill gap is the recoil

[brittle grail]

People still won’t be able to control it even if it’s just pulling done but it makes Ann the cheating devices useless

[plush cypress]

there will be a skill gap still and no good players will leave the game

[signal umbra]

Depends on how they change recoil. If they make it too easy, there will be nearly no skill gap.

[opal umbra]

Making recoil easier will bring in new players because a lot of people that play on consoles are not tryhards that grind games all day. Old players won’t leave because recoil change because don’t log into rust to control recoil but rather raid, loot and play in a big group. Old players won’t lose game sense cus recoil got changed.

There will always be a big skill gap between experienced players and not so experienced ones

[signal umbra]

I play strictly solo to pvp in launch. If any average Joe in a 5 man is able to beam me I would struggle more than ever.

Right now, I can easily out spray over 95% of players which is the main reason I play this game.

[opal umbra]

So you only like because you are superior to other players in one area of the game

[signal umbra]

If everyone had the same spray as me I'd be losing 10x more fights.

[opal umbra]

And if recoil changes you will

[signal umbra]

My recoil is near perfect right now at 100m. It's makes it super easy to wipe 5+ teams at brad who can't control recoil. If they can now control that same recoil I will lose those fights.

Therefore if I lose my main advantage in this game, I will move to a different game.

[plush cypress]

even if its too easy there will be a skill gap

you all have this stupid logic that a skill gap just dissapears

[opal umbra]

Rust needs more players and recoil changes will encourage new players to come in because all of us know how hard rust is

[plush cypress]

take siege for example, its on position tracking first shot crosshair placement

recoil to a degree but not much, except theres a massive skill gap in siege even at the top rank

[signal umbra]

I will lost my ability to 1v5 if recoil is made easy for everyone. I don't think you guys get that.

[plush cypress]

then unfortunately you arent good

[vernal sentinel]

Look at what happened on PC man, all of those cracked AK gods still do 1v5s

This notion that you can’t suddenly is unfounded, pc rust is right there

[opal umbra]

Exactly

[plush cypress]

recoil isnt what makes you able to 1v5, its about selecting your fight and your position as well as how long your peaking for and how many

[signal umbra]

The only thing I practice is recoil because it's the only thing I need. When no one else is able to triple me from 100 meters I will win every fight.

[vernal sentinel]

Like I still watch Posty do 1v5s lol like every single day

Dude on PC 95% of players CANNOT aim at 100 meters with the NEW recoil

[plush cypress]

so recoil being the only problem makes the skill gap too large and causes rats and positions, skill gap will be more diverse now

[opal umbra]

You can’t expect to win every fight even if you are outnumbered. You shouldn’t be taking 1v5s

[plush cypress]

and doesnt just differ between who can sit on the game longer like a bum

[vernal sentinel]

Like at most the top 1% of players lose a very slight edge to the benefit of the other 99%, but I don’t even think that’s true

All of the PC rust YouTubers known for PvP and ak, still have the same success today, skill doesn’t just magically leave you or become added unless it’s legit actually doing it for you

[signal umbra]

It's the reason I play the game. I just play distance and win 80% of my brad counters. I'd say about 40% of my 5k hours is spend living in a stone 1x2 next to launch only fighting in there.

[plush cypress]

trust me, if its recoil that your relying on, you really arent that good

[vernal sentinel]

Like if you actually have 5k hours and are actually that cracked, you legit have nothing to worry about

[signal umbra]

I just dont want the game too easy for new players. I shouldn't be seeing dudes with less than 1k hours winning brad fights

[vernal sentinel]

People gotta understand that for the vast majority of people the new recoil won’t really make them magically cracked

[opal umbra]

You are basically arguing that you don’t want to give others the ability to fight back at a more experienced player

[vernal sentinel]

And even if some random guy who’s cracked at controller aiming gets on rust and is really good, you still have the advantage because of your total experience

[signal umbra]

A 1k hour player shouldn't be able to beat and match a 5k hour player

[vernal sentinel]

Ok now your not making any sense

Time played does NOT equal skill in ANY game

[opal umbra]

Hours does not equal skill

[vernal sentinel]

Some are fast learners, and some people just never get better, using hours as a metric is insane

[opal umbra]

What if someone only farms for 20 000 hours

[vernal sentinel]

It can sometimes be a decent HINT, but like it doesn’t actually equate to skill

[signal umbra]

I'll rephrase that a bit. A player who has hopped on for the first time shouldn't be on the same recoil level as the entire rest of the player base

[opal umbra]

They should be able to one shot you?

[vernal sentinel]

Why not, if I’m the best controller Aimer on the planet why can’t I get on that and be good

And again, that’s where the skill difference of everything else possible allows you to still win that fight as you did before

[little fog]

whats the point if playing console rust if it has pc recoil then just play a way better rust version which would be on pc

[vernal sentinel]

There is skill in movement, rust knowledge, items, positioning. Your still winning that fight EVEN if it’s equal gun skill only

And that’s what happened with PC, the veterans still whooping everyone else

[little fog]

no ur not u can get out numbered but if the recoil is still hard and ur far enough u got a better chance

[opal umbra]

Some people can’t afford one or don’t want to buy a pc

[signal umbra]

I have a pc but don't play because holy crap do I suck on kbm.

[vernal sentinel]

If your arguement is, I can’t win in rust if I’m facing someone who’s new but has equal aiming. Then imo you either don’t realize that there’s skill besides recoil control or your just not as good as you think

[little fog]

my pc parts r otw so if crust brings pc recoil im never touching console rust again😭

[plush cypress]

u should

because its open world, u cant win them all

[little fog]

with new recoil its less likely u can win gunfights against bigger groups

[vernal sentinel]

I do genuinely think the fear of skill being somehow lost is really way to much

[vernal sentinel]

I’ve yet to see any actual proof of that, all I see is the same rust YouTubers wiping zergs on stream alone lol

[opal umbra]

You are implying that the big groups are bad at the game

[signal umbra]

I've got other skills but, currently I only need recoil to dominate. I can easily win against big groups if I keep my range but, if recoil becomes easy I'd feel that I'm losing on of my main advantages against them

[plush cypress]

no “skill” will be lost

[vernal sentinel]

If that was true these top dogs would be a lot worse and losing a lot more, and I just haven’t the last few years

[little fog]

bc 90% of big groups are horrid

[opal umbra]

How come

[vernal sentinel]

Do you think it’s fair to say you should be punished for being a one trick pony in regards to skill then?

I’m not saying that’s you, but I’m saying isn’t it healthier for a game to rely on the sum of a lot of skills rather than 1? Especially a survival game

[signal umbra]

Right now I'd say I win over 80% of my brad counters against teams wo are 5 deep. But, if they made recoil easier that number would decrease significantly because I couldn't rely on keeping a range

[little fog]

play rust and you’ll see how come Lmao

[plush cypress]

then get better at facechecking

[little fog]

thats exactly my point anyone would b able to smoke u with the easier recoil

[plush cypress]

your only pointing out your lack of skill

[vernal sentinel]

I just think if you’re really good, it will take less than a week to adapt and totally be fine. I would get the hesitation if this was actually new, but PC rust is right there man

[opal umbra]

I mean if you play on bad servers i guess I see where you are coming from

[vernal sentinel]

I’m still seeing Posty and Blooprint and Hjune solo entire groups like they did before, idk

[signal umbra]

It shows you don't play solo and 1v5 at Brad. That would never work.

[plush cypress]

blooprint is even crazy and still does big group takes

[vernal sentinel]

They are still lasering dudes with AKs and the people shooting back still aren’t as good as them with it

[plush cypress]

so many better players than blooprint who slam teams who r deep

[little fog]

controlling recoil is easier on pc

[plush cypress]

things like hmlmg would actually be viable to take out on a roam

[plush cypress]

hes tryna say recoil being easier isnt an issue

[signal umbra]

I can control it standing rn. My sens is completely centered around it.

[plush cypress]

standing and strafing at range?

[vernal sentinel]

My point is, it is EASIER than before, BUT the top dogs are still the top dogs, nothing changes for you fundamentally if your good at the game

[opal umbra]

Recoil doesn’t stop you from getting shot in the back there are things you can’t control. Recoil isn’t going to defend you from getting db. Recoil won’t stop people silenced bolting you

[plush cypress]

and if u put a 4x on it, its not even possible, (not that you would anyway)

[vernal sentinel]

People act like they are gonna be bad and all of these middle schoolers with 3 fingers are gonna magically be able to start shooting

[signal umbra]

Yep, it's pretty much my best gun. It's better than ak imo

[plush cypress]

if it was easier to control id say yeah

i havent put the hours in so im not good with it

[little fog]

i can agree with that

[vernal sentinel]

It’s like the lowest bar of skill gets raised slightly and everyone else goes up the same, there’s no real big difference, your still going to outclass 99% of the players

[opal umbra]

Off topic but motion blur needs to be changed

[plush cypress]

fully agree with you scam

[signal umbra]

That's where the problem is imo. I've put in the hours so I'm rewarded with being able to control the recoil making hmlmg viable. Why should you get that same luxury when you have not spent the hours learning it.

[plush cypress]

i mean i cant explain it to you anymore than it already has been

[vernal sentinel]

You do realize the new recoil ak isn’t like straight down right lol, most people still haven’t learned that man

[little fog]

new recoil is only benefitial to newer players imo

[opal umbra]

Rusts selling point isn’t guns

[plush cypress]

search up snowmers, chasetb20, gevad1ch and toonyx to see how to consistently win ur 1vX fights

[opal umbra]

Qaixx

[vernal sentinel]

Like I get the frustration of learning that and being rewarded but I do genuinely feel that the top 1% of players losing that (still being dominant after) in exchange for a ton of new players is well worth it

[plush cypress]

oilrats, mikeyduck,warrior, theres countless that do it

[signal umbra]

Hmlmg Is also the same on console as it is on pc btw. So it's likely it wouldn't change.

[plush cypress]

u sure?

[signal umbra]

It's the same up left recoil on both.

[vernal sentinel]

I’m pretty sure he’s right, I don’t think HMG was in the game when the recoil was changed, so it’s just the same now

[little fog]

okay but why we not talking about still not having sks🫩🫩

[vernal sentinel]

There’s nothing to change for it, and it shouldn’t change anyway it should be an annoying little gun

[plush cypress]

maybe i still wont pick that up then😭

[opal umbra]

Fr

[little fog]

and we need 300 pops

[signal umbra]

People on console hate the Sar. It won't be as good as people think

[plush cypress]

will be at december i reckon, with arctic research n stuff

[vernal sentinel]

With attachments it’s a lot better lol, but have fun spraying it with no attachments lol

[plush cypress]

its got a different kick tho

[vernal sentinel]

This is also my biggest issue with the old recoil, the SAR is HORRIBLE on console because of the way it works

[little fog]

sar on pc feels way better for sure

[vernal sentinel]

The SMGs are all 50x better because those patterns are easier on controller

[opal umbra]

I can’t shoot with sar without holo

[signal umbra]

It's just harder to use semi auto weapons on a stick.

[plush cypress]

sar also isnt accurate its sight is slightly off

[vernal sentinel]

The SAR is my favorite gun, love it on PC. But man it’s totally ruined on console

Honestly the P2 is fine for me, the SAR is just horrible on console

[plush cypress]

m39 is fine

[little fog]

pc sar is like top 3 for me

[plush cypress]

but somet like a sap kicks a lot for no reason on controller

[vernal sentinel]

If the SAR worked as well as the SMGs do I imagine I would see a gun other than a Thompson 95% of the time

[opal umbra]

Can the devs pls fix holo disappearing sometimes

[little fog]

can the devs make bigger maps instead of giving us cars on small maps

[vernal sentinel]

I have a feeling getting bigger maps will be a pain in the ass lol

[plush cypress]

they will soon i imagine

[vernal sentinel]

Making the game still run well on a console and making the maps much bigger with more pop is probably a big task

[plush cypress]

we need 200 pop for bigger maps tho

[little fog]

whats the point of minis and cars on small maps though dont think people would use them a lot

[vernal sentinel]

They may want to add all the monument stuff BEFORE they make them bigger so it won’t be a big empty map

[little fog]

nah 300 pop is where it’s at

[vernal sentinel]

Tbf the bikes will be extremely good regardless

[little fog]

they probably are but it shouldn’t take them that long to add allat

[vernal sentinel]

I wonder…. If console rust will have the same funny thing PC did

Handcuff someone, push the bike into them. They get killed

Works at outpost, was some good loot for a little lol

[little fog]

toxic u play oc or cinsole rust more

[vernal sentinel]

I have a few thousand hours on PC, but I stopped playing years ago, new gen console brought me back to play with my irls on console

So I guess I’m technically “new” to console but it’s the same game

[little fog]

what made u stop playing pc?

[vernal sentinel]

Covid ended and I got burnt out of playing so I took a break

[signal umbra]

Make pop 200 and make map 4km

[little fog]

ive played pc rust on my homies pc i loved it so im abt to build a pc soon

[vernal sentinel]

PC does run pretty badly, at least on my PC

[signal umbra]

4km map is big enough for all the monuments and gives players enough space for bases

[vernal sentinel]

All the new stuff didn’t come with a lot of optimization lol

[little fog]

dont know much about pcs but mine should be able to run 120+ fps at least i hope so

[vernal sentinel]

120 fps on pc rust? Idk about that lol

[plush cypress]

how u looting them tho

u handcuff and push em all way out safe zone then kill?

[little fog]

i can send u the specs im working with

[vernal sentinel]

You would set up your bike at the very end, and when it gets pushed they would be out, you have to be precise

[little fog]

it might not run 120 but im not buying a pc at least just for rust

[signal umbra]

You can push body bags with bikes

[vernal sentinel]

Outpost would flag them as enemy’s and you can just loot them

[little fog]

it should run 120 though i hope

[signal umbra]

Still wouldn't be able to loot them.

[vernal sentinel]

I mean I did this on PC so lol

Stimpee has an entire rust video about the bike outpost thing, can see it for yourself

[little fog]

that still works till this day?

[vernal sentinel]

I don’t recall if it got patched, but I’m assuming when they add the bikes it will be like it was when they first went to PC

[signal umbra]

I just know that bodies inside outpost are un-lootable no matter what.

[vernal sentinel]

the body isn’t in outpost

I said when the bike pushes them, they would be outside of the zone, you set up the bike at the edge of the safe zone

The turrets can shoot farther than the safe zone is

[signal umbra]

You'd die aswell.

[plush cypress]

its annoying with safe zone bags, should be able to loot after a while

[vernal sentinel]

your pushing the bike entity, your not doing damage to the player

[signal umbra]

Everytime I'm in outpost on pc and I see a dude with a bike I run In front of him so he dies

[vernal sentinel]

no clue if its patched, but stimpee has a video showing what i mean, its hilarious tbh

[little fog]

my question is how are horses on pc still not extinct

[vernal sentinel]

ah wait, the guy gets in the bike, and your friend pushes the bike into YOU, then it killed them

messed up my framing a bit

video doesnt get old