Lets talk about things that actually matter.

[gleaming dagger]

Respect to the admins and devs but we want more info, we invest time and money into this game to get little information, its time to put majority players first over the minority. Old gen needs scrapping or needs to be forced to play on CURRENT gen servers. Why should a console that can run 120 frames with 2 to 4k graphics run at 60frames and 720p? Its a robbery and honestly its just a joke to the player base who is sinking £45 into a game that just doesnt perform well. Then trying to add new content ontop of that, honestly scrap the new content until you figure out how to implement an anti cheat and a game that performs on current gen capability, current gen isnt new its been around for 5 years, its time to do what is right D11.

[urban kernel]

RCE only came out <t:1621209600:R>. A new version of the game would have a lot of hurdles:

• Splits developers across both builds
• Splits the player-base
• Doubles dev time and cost
  Don't expect a current-gen version any time soon if ever.

[hazy hare]

@gleaming dagger
1.
Dev blog end of the month
2 you bought a ps4 and xbox one game by yourself.
3.they can not separate server's as you are still playing a ps4 or xbox one game regardless if you are on ps67 as backwards compatibility.

[cunning fractal]

Current gen has been around for 5 years but development started 7 years ago. And then at launch we were still in the middle of the chip shortage, so even those that wanted to upgrade were struggling. Old gen users still make up about half the playerbase, devs aren’t just going to drop kick them.

[gleaming dagger]

Great response that mate, but it isnt just an xbox one or ps4 game tho is it? If it was then it wouldnt be available for the current gen. Currently the only people getting drop kicked are the ones with the newer console which probably equals atleast 80% of the player base lets be honest.

[hazy hare]

It is you are playing via backwards compatibility

[cunning fractal]

Yes it is. It’s running in backwards compatibility mode for current gen.

And as an old gen game that is listed on the store as working for old and current gen, they can’t change that. A new gen version would need to be another game on the store with a different list of supported consoles and the servers would not be allowed to cross over with the current version.

So end of the day it’s splitting the playerbase.

[hazy hare]

You just have to wait and hope they draw a line at some point and say that's all the content for this version and if lucky the do a next next gen version.

[cunning fractal]

Cross your fingers and toes.

[gleaming dagger]

Is that how they justify it by saying that? Idc if the game was made for old gen, majority of the players are new gen, old gen can barely run it anyway its time to update it to a current gen game. Do you guys play the game honestly?

[hazy hare]

You bought an old gen game

Go play a new gen only game and chill

[gleaming dagger]

Like i said alot of people bought this game not knowing they were gunna get swindled out of their money and their performance capability.

[cunning fractal]

Yeah I play. Both town and I have every skin in the game. It’s a perfectly valid reason. When they decided to pull the trigger on that decision is up to them as they have the actual playerbase numbers and we don’t. But only last year PS said half of all their users were now on current gen.

[hazy hare]

Then they should learn to read before they buy

[cunning fractal]

I’m glad I purchased it and have had a lot of fun with it. I embrace the jank and don’t feel swindled at all.

[gleaming dagger]

Not as simple as telling me to play another game, this is the game i and many others want to play but unfortunately its barely playable, defending everything isnt helping the majority guys.

[hazy hare]

What

[hazy hare]

I have stated many times server stability and proformance above content I'd like to see a new gen version when this version is stable on the platform it was realsed on nothing more nothing less

[gleaming dagger]

It wont be stable on that platform thats what no one gets, the game is too big to be old gen especially with the addition of new monuments etc.

[cunning fractal]

Yeah I’d love a current gen version and way better performance, but I’m a realist. And I know the devs won’t just drop kick a massive portion of their playerbase this soon. The game is still young:

I’d also love free electricity but I don’t have solar so I’ll settle for paying my bills.

[hazy hare]

Pc gaming is also available

[cunning fractal]

Community cried out for a long time to get all their favourite content added to the game at the price of performance, now they’re crying out for better performance, there’s no wining

[hazy hare]

Look rust pc on my phone

[cunning fractal]

Nice

[gleaming dagger]

The game isnt young its been 4 years, and town ur name makes sense bro, ur telling an investing player to basically just spawn in a pc out of nowhere just because they aren’t happy with the games current state?

[cunning fractal]

Just now I finally purchased one of the aloneintokyo mousepads. I can’t wait for it to arrive.

[hazy hare]

Funny thing you can if you used your brain 🧠

[hazy hare]

If you're not happy with a ps4 game you bought try a different game

[cunning fractal]

4 years is very young in game years… Hunt Showdown took more than 6 years. If you want a better experience you get better hardware. Current gen running an old gen title on backwards compatibility is better than old gen and PC is better than console.

[urban kernel]

Hey @gleaming dagger, If you want to report a user for breaking the terms of service or code of conduct in Rust Console Edition the devs want to hear from you. Please remember that you should always report in-game first.

Additionally, you can follow this link to submit a user report:
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Select the User Reports category.

Be sure to provide as much evidence as possible when reporting to Double Eleven. False or targeted accusations is against the Code of Conduct and can result in the suspension of your own account.

[hazy hare]

Let's say 7 as took 3 year's to make

[gleaming dagger]

Who gave you mod 😂 seems like you love arguing for the sake of it, weeping lowkey a lovely guy with fair responses, you on the other hand contradictory sarky responses.

[cunning fractal]

Please be conscious of the #📜rules while chatting.

[cunning fractal]

Town’s a grumpier version of me but Pedro gave both of us our roles. Don’t worry, I don’t let him swing hammers.

[hazy hare]

If you don't like different opinions you should not share them with people .
But as stated I want a new gen version when this version is stable.
If this version stress you out try playing something else or the pc version.
But causing yourself stress is never the answer.

Fyi
You don't need a pc to play pc rust just Gforce now

[cunning fractal]

A current gen version would go hard. Hopefully all the casual on old gen upgrade this year. Last year I helped two people buy current gen consoles, so I’m doing my part.

[gleaming dagger]

If people actually took the advice, the game would be forced to make a change but unfortunately alot of us just wont do that. Rust is the one survival game with hope, server performance is impossible on old gen it really is. Now its upto the higher ups to choose current or old gen. If they start cooking up the new gen now maybe people will be happy in a few years who knows.

[hazy hare]

There has been debate among members should D11 make a ps5 and series x version or hold out until roomers of ps6 and xbox 🤔 in 2027 _ 2028

[gleaming dagger]

Thats whats most upsetting, the fact that the game would be unbelievable and the amount of new players they would receive is astronomical. I do understand its abit heavy for the older gen but i feel more for the newer gen tbh.

[cunning fractal]

Maybe they’ve already preheated the oven and prepared the ingredients, who knows. My money is on a few more years, but that kind of upgrade would be a shadow drop, no warning, just launched.

[cunning fractal]

That’s a good point.

[gleaming dagger]

Might aswell go through with the current gen now tbh, newer gen probably wont be around for a while and even if it is current gen could still potentially run the game at 120fps so new gen and current gen (ps5, xbox series) could quite easily coexist within the same game with no issues surely.

[cunning fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/meh-mediocre-so-so-kinda-maybe-gif-13935570

Next gen will be another leap above current gen.

We’ll have people asking for a next gen version again almost immediately.

We have another 3 years of current gen.

Wow, time flies.

[hazy hare]

The xbox series X can hit 120 fps on rust but the devs need to stop adding content and optimise the code for smother game play and then after a year drop next gen .
But with so many people asking for content I don't see it happening any time soon as would take a least 2 year for a text gen version to be developed.

[gleaming dagger]

Surely not, most current gen just want to run 120 frames, the jump between 60 to 120 is crazy but the difference between 120 to 180 isn’t insane. 120fps and 200fps could co exist no issues, like they do on pc

[cunning fractal]

Mark my words, in 2029 people will be complaining that series X isn’t cutting it anymore.

Consumers will never be satisfied.

[haughty thunder]

it would take 1-2 years of development to make a new version, whilst the current version is still incomplete; thats not how game development works. All the current-gen remakes started from a complete game version beforehand.
My advice is don't expect a PS5 version, look to the next-gen consoles releasing in 2027 and 2028. again we would be looking at 2 years of development for a ps5 version, do the math we will be on Ps6 before its finished.

[hazy hare]

I remember only having 30 fps for every game then jumped to 60 for a short time now everyone wants 120fps all the time let's all agree to 90 we skipped that

[gleaming dagger]

Lol i say by 2039 then its a fair complaint 😂😂

[cunning fractal]

mb, I meant 2029

[cunning fractal]

I was perfectly happy playing halo 3 on 20FPS on peer to peer. I was shocked when everyone was insisting on more.

[gleaming dagger]

Thing is if i could run atleast 90 maybe 100frames on good graphics then i wouldnt actually be annoyed.

[hazy hare]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-shea-brennan-sam-elliott-1883-im-aware-gif-24226001

[cunning fractal]

Yeah but then someone else would be.

[gleaming dagger]

Yh but we was used to it back then, now weve had 5 years of 120fps gaming

[cunning fractal]

Eh. I‘ve never been one of the people that can easily notice the difference between 60 and 120 FPS. Good films are at 24 and that’s more than fine by me.

I just want the game to run, I don’t care if it’s hitting max FPS and whatever.

[urban kernel]

Hey @gleaming dagger, If you want to report a user for breaking the terms of service or code of conduct in Rust Console Edition the devs want to hear from you. Please remember that you should always report in-game first.

Additionally, you can follow this link to submit a user report:
https://rustconsolesupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
Select the User Reports category.

Be sure to provide as much evidence as possible when reporting to Double Eleven. False or targeted accusations is against the Code of Conduct and can result in the suspension of your own account.

[cunning fractal]

Again, please be mindful of our #📜rules

[gleaming dagger]

So what actually are you allowed to say to combat the wrongful cheating words

[cunning fractal]

I’ve been playing since the closed beta’s it’s janky and doesn’t run and smoothly as Apex Legends, but it’s running fine enough for me to play and enjoy it.

[cunning fractal]

We have two different rules that disallow the discussion of cheating.

[gleaming dagger]

Okay well fair enough, hopefully something can be done about it though.

[cunning fractal]

Plenty is being done and has been done since day one. After they’re banned from game I ban them from discord, then they go to my Instagram and threaten to kill my kids. It’s soooo much fun.

[gleaming dagger]

Jeez, what a sad life they live, do they get banned from the game or console banned?

[cunning fractal]

Console banned.

[gleaming dagger]

Well ill make sure to keep reporting the ones using, anyway good discussion hopefully we will all have a blooming game before long.

[cunning fractal]

Have a good one man.

[hoary phoenix]

Pee Pee 9000. If rust console only came out 4 years ago and new gen has been out for abt 5 years. Then why on earth would u have even made the game for old gen. Ur poor planning and execution shouldn’t be effecting us on new gen after spending $45 on ur game and then countless other dollars on skins to help support you guys.

[wind hawk]

Current Gen has not been out for 5 years?

Current Gen released November 2020, RCE launched July 2021, if you think development only took 9 months, you crazy

[digital plinth]

I'd love to see actual data on this because without hate there's not a chance in hell that's even remotely accurate anymore. It's borderline unplayable on last gen, even S, X and PS5 lag and crash every now and then. I know atleast 50+ I've met over the years playing who swapped the very second they possibly could. I think years ago it might have been a majority but certainly not any more. But without actual dev data it's impossible to know but transparency doesn't seem to be their strong point.

[flat imp]

It’s not that no one gets it it’s the mods devs and admins most players are with you

[cunning fractal]

Development began sometime in 2018. Current gen came out Nov 2020 and then had to combat with the chip shortage for more than two years.

[flat imp]

I’m sorry for being disrespectful earlier man

[cunning fractal]

I’d also love to see the numbers. There’s lots of internal stats I’d love to see. Generally the average consumer is a hyper casual gamer that couldn’t tell you the pros or cons of upgrading and either don’t have the funds or just plain old don’t care.

[cunning fractal]

All g.

[outer sapphire]

So true 😂

It's the reason PS5 doesn't run on 120 fps because of PlayStation not rust

And I'm pretty sure Xbox does run 120fps

[cunning fractal]

I would write down all of my replies and points on the current conversation into one long post that covers everything, but no one would be bothered reading through it all. Maybe I need to make it into a script and post a video. But then, another patch will come out and it’ll all change.

Yes, both true.

[gleaming dagger]

I wanna see the devs play the game for a wipe and tell us their thoughts on the game, that would be great.

[digital plinth]

I'd gladly pay for the privilege of a next gen game. Heck release it for 100 I'd snap it up. The numbers should be public knowledge tbf, transparency is key. Most of us have well over 3K hours, some even approaching 10K. Safe to say the regular playerbase is anything but hype gaming you know? It was no hate to you or your comment just genuine intrigue as it surely can't be the case it's bad enough on next gen atm 😅

[cunning fractal]

They play plenty as part of their QA, but if you worked 9-5 every weekday on a game, had a discord full of people complaining to you that it wasn’t good enough, would you want to go home to your family and play it while there?

[outer sapphire]

Devs can't even take a two week break without everyone freaking out, and you want them to devote a whole wipe to Playing rust!?

[cunning fractal]

I mean when you consider the fact that 90% of all consumers never change any of their devices from default settings it becomes easier to gain a perspective. It’s hard to see from where we sit with our thousands of hours and dedication to the game but for most people no game or game console is that deep.

Found a study:

https://www.statista.com/forecasts/1221322/hours-console-gamers-spend-on-playing-video-games-per-week-in-the-us

[digital plinth]

That's the thing with Rust though, it brings a hard core crowd. Some of the most devoted, often talented folk gaming. Most know every in and out, most min max every aspect of their gear, their base everything. It's unlike any other game and that's what hurts the most is seeing a game that so many care so passionately about run itself into the ground. We know next gen isn't an over night thing, heck even a simple "we hear you and were discussing it internally" would suffice. It all comes down to communication, most of us just don't want to see it fail and so far it's seemingly gone backwards on both stability and fidelity.

[cunning fractal]

If they made that statement the old gen players would riot. Current gen players would stop playing and wait for the new version. If it was to ever happen my money would be on it getting no PR ahead of time at all.

[knotty blaze]

If everyone just said nope and stopped buying skins for even 3 months and we choked down the player base for 3 months they would make changes, but nobody will do that. And you will only get backlash for speaking your mind in discord, twitch will get you better results

[cunning fractal]

“Running into the ground” is a bit strong. Yeah it’s a rough patch atm, but they’ve only been responding to community requests.

[gleaming dagger]

Theres barely any old gen players lets be honest

[cunning fractal]

There’s a lot more than you’d think. PS only last year stated their entire playerbase had just hit the 50/50 mark.

[gleaming dagger]

Supporting the game for the minority rather than upgrading the game for majority makes legit no sense tbf

[cunning fractal]

Adaption is always slow. Every generation this happens.

[flat bison]

when will the road map come out?

[cunning fractal]

I’d place real world money on the split being 40% on old gen, and that’s not an insignificant number of players.

[cunning fractal]

No clue, I’m not a dev and that info would be internal under NDA.

[digital plinth]

Would never happen, old gen must be a minority at this point. All those wanting a new gen version know it would take years and let's face it there's really not a game on console that scratches that itch quite the same as Rust. I think you massively underestimate the passion and loyalty of your playerbase, of the games playerbase. It is running itself into the ground man, there's no two ways about it. It might seem strong but honestly the content needs to stop. Servers need addressing, invalids are still rampant and fidelity is decreasing update on update. There's only so much a playerbase without a voice will put up with. The only redeeming factor is it's literally the only game of its type on consoles. It's painful man because it's got so much uncapped potential.

[urban kernel]

Hey @flat bison, If you want to report a user for breaking the terms of service or code of conduct in Rust Console Edition the devs want to hear from you. Please remember that you should always report in-game first.

Additionally, you can follow this link to submit a user report:
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[cunning fractal]

Slow down, they’re not my playerbase and it’s not my game, I’m a nurse, not a game developer.

Need to make it very clear that I am not D11 and do not speak for them.

I speak for myself as a gaming vet and community member.

I love rust, if I didn’t I wouldn’t put up with all the death threats and I wouldn’t develop the community tools I have.

But this is not the worst patch/build we’ve played and the devs are still pushing performance improvements on PTB. There will be a patch at the end of the month. Things could get significantly better, or slightly better, but they will get better.

A current gen version will not be a magical solution that brings the game to glory, it’d be a brutal shift, the beach will be on fire and then the first set of new issues will arise and we’ll be right back where we were. Rust is jank, no matter the hardware.

I don’t envy the devs.

[gleaming dagger]

I mean theres always gunna be new issues that’s understandable and thats what happens in code, somethings conflict other things but thats what devs are made for, fixing issues within their game.

[outer sapphire]

I don't know why but I'm surprised that people would send ☠️ threats

[cunning fractal]

There’s bomb threats, death threats, threats of sexual violence or harm to children. The playerbase, especially those that get console banned can get pretty creative.

So yeah, I understand how passionate the playerbase is…

[outer sapphire]

I know this is off topic, but I'm curious if it's possible to get a hardcore official server because it seems there isn't a single one on community?

[cunning fractal]

I think they flopped as hard as they did on PC.

You’re welcome to suggest it.

[outer sapphire]

Damn, that's actually super disappointing

[cunning fractal]

Agreed.

[shy obsidian]

As someone who has taken the last 8 months to understand game development and design I believe d11 didn’t understand what they were getting themselves into when bringing this game to console. I give them some credit. Unity engine, especially this version of unity is a lot to work with. And rust is a very complex game with a lot of variables going on at once that many other games don’t use. It is hard for me to call them lazy devs when I understand what this game is. But I do believe something should be done about this. The game is at a point to where content has to be thought out and optimized greatly to run on the last generation. D11 is too small of a team to focus on a new gen version. If players want a new gen version then the game is done as it is now and it would be a few years before new gen would be stable to release.

[outer sapphire]

I would but I don't feel like reading silly comments.lol

[cunning fractal]

Define “understand game development and design”.

Is this formally?

[shy obsidian]

Spending time learning different forms of code for the most part.

[cunning fractal]

Formally or self taught?

[shy obsidian]

Self taught. I don’t believe dedicated schooling means anything. Many great game devs never spent any time in a classroom.

I’m not an expert but I do understand some things that most don’t.

[cunning fractal]

D11 has been around for 15 years, worked on many titles and since the launch of RCE has gone from 150 employees to over 400. I don’t believe it’s fair to say they didn’t know what they were doing by taking on the project after 8 months of self taught coding.

[shy obsidian]

Well in my opinion if they did then I don’t think we would be having this conversation. Besides I’m taking up for them more than anything.

[cunning fractal]

Rust is as a piece of shit on PC for most of it’s cycle, many would argue it’s still a piece of shit and performance wise it chugs hard while consuming a massive amount of RAM, CPU & GPU. It should come as a surprise to absolutely no one that an old gen console build has performance issues.

[shy obsidian]

Besides the technical part of it, game studios and publishers have to pass ideas on to the higher ups who ultimately make the decisions where money is spent. So even if the devs want a new gen version of the game it’s up to the bosses. Not the devs.

[cunning fractal]

… yes.

When people in this discord say devs, they’re referring to the entirety of D11.