being able to access all tier 1 and 2 workbench in the lvl 3 work bench

[jolly shadow]

Pc has this

[spiral grotto]

Nah.

[jolly shadow]

Why not

[spiral grotto]

It's stupid

[jolly shadow]

Maybe explain how its stupid

You just hate QOL things?

[spiral grotto]

Explain how the mechanic makes sense , why should all of t2 and t3 be on the wrong workbench

[jolly shadow]

Why shouldn’t you be able to go down the tier 1 workbench in a tier 3 workbench

[spiral grotto]

Each workbench is its own stage in the game, you shouldn't just rush t3. Makes no sense and benefits large groups

[jolly shadow]

That makes no sense at all large groups will always be ahead

[spiral grotto]

It's still benefiting large groups in some way, make it make sense

[jolly shadow]

Also they would be no reason to rush a t3

Because you still need bps

[spiral grotto]

Why spend time with a workbench when I could rush t3 and get every BP without them?

Contradicting yourself.

That essentially makes every other workbench useless.

Workbench techtree ideally doesn't even need to be ingame

[jolly shadow]

I don’t understand your points

[spiral grotto]

Or you just can't refute them at all .

[jolly shadow]

You can rush a tier 3 now

[spiral grotto]

For it's exclusive blueprints, workbenches shouldn't even have a techtree. All a workbench is there for, is to provide the tools necessary to create an item

[jolly shadow]

No because you need a T2 to make a T3

[spiral grotto]

Why do that when I can find a t3 or buy one?

[jolly shadow]

Well it does have a tech tree

[spiral grotto]

Saves me 500 scrap. Assuming I use a t1

[jolly shadow]

Same thing can be said with a T2 why don’t I just find or buy a T2

[spiral grotto]

Right you're agreeing with me, let's get back on track.

[jolly shadow]

It’s Qol not the end of the world

[spiral grotto]

It's game changing, not QOL.

[jolly shadow]

Doesn’t really change that much

[spiral grotto]

All that's between endgame is a workbench, doesn't make sense to throw the game that bad

Smaller groups would just join late wipe and buy a t3, save 550 scrap and benefit large groups doing mass offline raids

It literally changes the entire dynamic

[jolly shadow]

Ok man don’t have time to keep arguing

But I’m sure most people will want this in the game

[spiral grotto]

Yeah sure brother you're entitled to your opinion

[spiral grotto]

Yeah no. Alot of people in general are biased to no techtree at all ,

[spiral grotto]

Maybe we can compromise , maybe it'd be an option on Gportal

[jolly shadow]

Why are you talking about no tech tree this has nothing to do with that

[stable prawn]

me personally I'm with you I would rather that change not come to console already been sick of pc burying itself with all the changes making rust no longer feel like rust as they've already removed all of the challenges involved in pc rust because the current generation of gamers can't handle a challenge or putting in effort yet those same players are never happy and still complain wanting things made easier

[spiral grotto]

This has everything to do with tech tree, it's a thread based on tech tree

[jolly shadow]

Yes you are correct but I never mentioned anything about not having a tech tree

[stable prawn]

pc rust hasn't felt like proper rust for awhile now main reason I dropped playing pc rust every wipe to only getting on to check on updates

[spiral grotto]

That has nothing to do with my point , unfortunately. You said people want that, and I said that people are opposed to the option entirely, not irrelevant

[stable prawn]

you do realize what you said has nothing to do with what he said or what his point is your either not reading or just trolling at this point

[jolly shadow]

Yeah you are right read his point wrong

[spiral grotto]

Im opposed to tech trees entirely, I think they're inaccurate and unrealistic for a survival game of this magnitude

But I think there still would be an audience for this hyper accelerated version of rust which is why they should be an option on non official servers

[jolly shadow]

I think it should stay in the main game maybe hardcore mode can get rid of tech trees

[spiral grotto]

Hardcore should be a thing with no tech tree definitely. Rust isn't really rust without it

I would push for a split experience, maybe some vanilla servers can be no tech tree and still be vanilla

[eternal tapir]

It’s on my #1268259036391018638 already

[wintry token]

I mean you still need a t1 to craft t2 and t2 to craft t3. Plus people already rush t3 for boom unless you plan on satchel raiding. This would just make it so you don't need to have multiple workbenches in your base at once

[spiral grotto]

I have you blocked for a reason

[wintry token]

Bro I forgot it was this guy lmao

[spiral grotto]

You're 23, do you not have anything better to do other than pick fights on discord server?

[wintry token]

I wasn't picking a fight I was just stating my opinion, damn why are you so mad?

Even looking at my bio to get more insults, like chill out

[spiral grotto]

Is that your default every time? "Ur mad"

[wintry token]

You clearly are, I wasn't starting any beef

[spiral grotto]

Yep. That's your default.

[wintry token]

If you have me blocked ignore me and move on, otherwise you clearly have problems

[spiral grotto]

Do you have anything at all better to do

[wintry token]

I was just stating my opinion on a change? Like you did? Why are you making it an argument?

[spiral grotto]

Do you have anything better to do tho

You cherry picked a reply too

[wintry token]

I just don't get why you're starting beef bro, I had completely forgotten about the other day until you reminded me.

All I did was state my opinion on this change, like the entire purpose of this thread is for.

[spiral grotto]

So you don't have anything better to do? Im gonna leave you to your solace, you clearly needed this. I hope you find what you're looking for bro ❤️

[wintry token]

Wym I needed this? You're the one beefing with me? Do you need attention that badly?

I was chill until you said something about the stuff a few days ago

[spiral grotto]

Let's not get mad, we all need help sometimes ❤️

[wintry token]

@stable prawn you see this guy?

[spiral grotto]

That's right man, we need help sometimes

[rapid pollen]

They prob will one day add it where you can see t1 and t2 stuff in t3

[spiral grotto]

They might make it an option on Gportal

[wintry token]

I hope so tbh, sick of having to place down my tier 2 whenever I need to get one bp from it

[rapid pollen]

I just hope they don’t add the price thing where you gotta get more scrap or whatever if it was a t3 or t2

[spiral grotto]

Scrap tax or something to that effect. I'm not to opposed to scrap tax by itself

I like the change they're making to outpost

[rapid pollen]

The shop drones?

[spiral grotto]

On pc I meant with the recycler taxxing

[stable prawn]

what's up

[rapid pollen]

Oh

[wintry token]

Nothing anymore, but if you scroll up you'll see V4 starting beef with me for no reason lmao.

[eternal tapir]

The Workbench change is on my #1268259036391018638, I made the suggestion that scrap tax should be a comm server option not a vanilla change

[spiral grotto]

I like that safezone change

[spiral grotto]

Id oppose your opinion, I like scrap tax and the safe zone debuff

[eternal tapir]

I personally think it’s better as an option, because it’s not the best change, give users the ability to turn it on and off and set scales instead of forcing it as a game wide change

[spiral grotto]

I personally think we keep vanilla how it is , every one of those little changes mentioned here I think should be comm

[stable prawn]

I understand hopefully we can all go our separate ways to avoid any drama

[wintry token]

I tried to lmao

[spiral grotto]

Don't talk to me I won't talk to you , apologies for ruffling your feathers

[eternal tapir]

I don’t mind the workbench idea, it makes sense to me that you can use a higher tier to access previous research

[stable prawn]

me personally I'm fine if things are made harder but I'd rather things not get made any easier than it already is

[spiral grotto]

I personally really dislike it. Benefits large groups by enticing solos and smaller groups to get on later into wipe and just buy t3s from big groups , and it saves 550 scrap. I think each workbench should be it's own stage in the game.

Rust on pc hasn't been feeling like rust lately , that shouldn't crawl over and infect console , my opinion

[eternal tapir]

They still have to do all the research as standard and realistically that much scrap is not really much when you can get that almost from an airfield run now

[stable prawn]

that statement I can agree with

[spiral grotto]

It still does save 550 scrap, for a solo that's a different ballgame what 500 scrap can do.

[eternal tapir]

Well yeah would that not benefit smaller groups and solo’s more?

[spiral grotto]

Benefits larger groups by giving them more incentive to raid, established smaller groups would be in constant danger , for larger groups seek that gunpowder income

Also ontop of selling their lower tier weapons↑

[eternal tapir]

I mean is that not the same as now? Would it not allow smaller groups and solo’s to be able to catch up quicker when the scrap can be limited by the larger?

[spiral grotto]

Would that not also put that same smaller group in danger ? It's going to be a circling effect of large groups raiding smaller groups and selling their things for large profits to smaller groups and solos

[stable prawn]

imo workbenches should stay the same on console

[eternal tapir]

But that’s pretty much how the game is now anyway, I see it as benefitting solo’s and smaller groups better because it saves them having to get as much scrap to progress which gives them more ability to compete

[stable prawn]

in my eyes it's not hard to get the scrap either way and things don't need to be made easier for anyone as it's easy already

[spiral grotto]

We need to benefit solos more , this workbench change would destroy the small group playstyle. Large groups being meta isn't how rust was intended to be played,and I understand your point. But I advocate that it should be a community server option as not to ruin the vanilla experience

[eternal tapir]

I personally think it’s more of a benefit to solo’s on vanilla then a negative

[spiral grotto]

Rust hasn't been feeling like rust, needs to be harder . I hate this new age of hyper accelerated gameplay. It's feeding the weak and large groups

[spiral grotto]

It'll eventually rear it's ugly head back when large groups go hunting for profits

There is definitely an audience for this accelerated style of rust, but not everyone is going to like it. I'm firm on my stance with pushing it to community

[spiral grotto]

Hey good talk tho, see you around later. I've got to go throw a timing chain back on my Malibu

[torn horizon]

I wouldn't mind seeing this!

[eternal tapir]

Enjoy

[jolly shadow]

I’m pretty sure if you go down the T2 tech tree in a T3 workbench it costs extra

[stable prawn]

I believe your just thinking of the scrap tax system tier 1 bps cost 10% more scrap tier 2 20% tier 3 30% but it'll be the same cost regardless of what tree the bp is on as a tier 2 bp would have the tier 2 scrap tax

[jolly shadow]

I think you are right

[tepid sierra]

I think your compensating for your lack of an enjoyable life considering you “pronouns on discord are “he/never him🥺”

Please get some help if things are that serious

[spiral grotto]

Cool story bro, anything else?

[wintry token]

Lmao

[tepid sierra]

Yes there are people who can help you

Your life isn’t a story and you shouldn’t view yourself that way

[wintry token]

I honestly wouldn't even try beefing with him. I think he has some sort of main character syndrome or something

[tropic sparrow]

It’s good, I forget stuff back in a different tier all the time

[spiral grotto]

Changes the game, benefits the larger groups, I dislike it

[spiral grotto]

Cool story bro, done yet?

[tepid sierra]

No
Yap

[spiral grotto]

Awesome story man, done yet?

[spiral grotto]

Listen brother I'm trying to go my own way and avoid drama , id rather not beef over something this petty. I wasn't very happy earlier and handled things immaturely, id like if we would squash this and move on

[tropic sparrow]

Do not bring personal information into any argument.

That is inappropriate

[spiral grotto]

Nah he's good it's on my public profile

[tropic sparrow]

Not a reason. And teetering against rules

Speaking of, #📜rules 1,2,3

[spiral grotto]

Public profile, he's being just as petty

[tropic sparrow]

Petty as hell

[spiral grotto]

Just let it squash no need

[tropic sparrow]

Yup

[spiral grotto]

It's not like what he was saying was true, I'm not gonna sob about someone saying things through a screen. It's petty beef I shouldn't have started

[wintry token]

Tbf V4 did that to me earlier

[spiral grotto]

I did , only fair the same thing happen to me lmao

[tepid sierra]

So you’re petty to then?

[tropic sparrow]

#📜rules 1,2,3…

[spiral grotto]

Squash it , it's not worth boiling this over

[scenic ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/hadeel928-يوسف-العماري-موسى-الخنيزي-gif-2017750647488235235

[tepid sierra]

I sincerely apologize for my inappropriate action

[tepid sierra]

No I’m fuming I ache for my revenge

[tropic sparrow]

No need, just chill out a little everyone’s being a little petty here

[tepid sierra]

Ok then I take back my apology

[spiral grotto]

I'm actually the person who needs to apologize

[tepid sierra]

Ok I sincerely apologize for my inappropriate action

[spiral grotto]

You're all good brother, if I just wouldn't have said anything and ignored the person I had blocked we wouldn't have had any of this beef happening

[tepid sierra]

Nah I took it too far have a nice night