MLRS System / New Recoil.

[winter jasper]

Adding a MLRS system would make online raids more possible, you'd have a chance to get raid base while they repair, people always roofcamp immediately when getting raid base down.

Adding a new recoil would make rust so much better, everyone would have to play on just knowledge of what theyve experienced throughout their journey.

[plucky sedge]

The new recoil caused more people to want to cheat on pc rust

[analog tree]

That's probably what it'd do here as well, people who put in hundreds or even thousands of hours getting recoil down would just say screw it and cheat instead

[plucky sedge]

That's probably what's going to happen on console if recoil changes people already think everyone who kills them is a cheater

[drowsy oriole]

If u agree ur just Bad at the game

[wary locust]

mlrs I'd like but the no recoil I'd have to say no to tbh if new recoil did come to console rust idk how much I'd still be playing

I prefer a challenge not a easy experience

[wary locust]

the fact you even suggested new recoil makes me disappointed in you as a gamer

[wary locust]

agreed

[winter jasper]

I meant a unique recoil.. not like pc

People voting "NO" are stupid, u want to keep having people slamming u from 2 grids away, go ur way

[plucky sedge]

No the new recoil caused more people to cheat on pc after it was added cheating went up

[winter jasper]

Not like 70 % of rce are cheaters?

From the 10000 active players theres 7000 cheating.

[plucky sedge]

No your just bad if you think that

It's not half

[winter jasper]

I'm going in on facts, i have 8k hrs on console version..

[plucky sedge]

And

[winter jasper]

It very much is.

[plucky sedge]

Your bad if you think it's 70%

[winter jasper]

U said i was bad

[winter jasper]

How does a opinion/fact judge my playstyle and skill?

[plucky sedge]

It's not even half you either have a massive ego or your bad

[winter jasper]

Massive ego, yes. Bad, no

[plucky sedge]

Yes

Just get better if you think everyone who kills you is a cheater there not

[winter jasper]

Thats not what i said...

[plucky sedge]

You said 70% are cheating

[winter jasper]

I die to legits most of the time because 3rd party device users switched to Community servers

I play vanilla like a normal human being

[plucky sedge]

Then report them https://rustconsolesupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[winter jasper]

Why report legits?

[plucky sedge]

No one cheaters

[winter jasper]

?

[plucky sedge]

Report the cheaters

[winter jasper]

How do u want me to prove it?

[plucky sedge]

It's not hard

[winter jasper]

They all deny the fact they have a 3rd party device.

[plucky sedge]

You summit proof it's not hard

[winter jasper]

How do i get the proof

[plucky sedge]

Video

[wary locust]

hours don't equal skill besides most people can't tell the difference from what's legit and what's not especially people on console because they immediately use it as a excuse as automatic mechanism modern gamers have stuck in their heads to protect their ego

[winter jasper]

True, i never said im the greatest tho.. i have skill and im good for my hours

[wary locust]

in terms of what wesson said video proof does help same as the combat log

autocorrect really has been annoying today

[plucky sedge]

People can have abunch of hours because they afk look at the guy who said he had almost 16k hours

[plucky sedge]

Debatable but ok

[winter jasper]

Not debatable, its how it is

[wary locust]

yeah ik and 16k is basically a 3rd of what I had on pc over the span of 10 years

[plucky sedge]

You think 70% are cheating with 8k hours 💀

[winter jasper]

i have 400 hrs afk probs (overnight watching tiktok cuz bored)

[winter jasper]

it just is, look at every creator, they all know it

theres no cap in my afk hours?

[plucky sedge]

Then report cheaters https://rustconsolesupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

And jade monkey doesn't

[winter jasper]

i will, and i do already

[wary locust]

on console I got maybe around that amount if you include the time crafting walls for a compound but ik I have a lot on pc especially back when pc rust still had 5 minute stone wall craft times

[winter jasper]

CNQR toxic even confirmed it with proof😂

[plucky sedge]

You might need to get better if you think it's over half

[winter jasper]

I do stuff in base when crafting shi

[plucky sedge]

He thinks 80% are cheating and he got banned for it

[wary locust]

you do realize cnqr toxic is one of the largest and well known click baiters out there

[winter jasper]

He came with proof

[plucky sedge]

And cheaters

[plucky sedge]

He's a cheater he got banned

[wary locust]

on more than 1 account

[plucky sedge]

I only know of 1 he's banned on

[winter jasper]

toxic?

[wary locust]

I only know of 2 and that's because of all the people sending me clips in dms asking for my opinion on the matter

[plucky sedge]

Yes

[winter jasper]

ive seen his spray and its ahh

it is comparable to a garbage can

[plucky sedge]

Anyway that's our concern for the recoil changing is people will cheat more like on pc

[wary locust]

wessons not wrong he did get banned for it idk if he still does though given in my eyes once a 3rd always a 3rd meaning anyone that uses one automatically has zero worth in respect

but yeah let's drop that topic as it's borderlining on breaking a rule

[winter jasper]

How

[wary locust]

#📜rules

[plucky sedge]

Rule 6 and 11 I think

[winter jasper]

Were talking about a problem the devs need to fix, its like there trying to keep it lmaoo

[wary locust]

not supposed to talk about said devices as it's against the rules of the discord I recommend just dropping it here

[winter jasper]

oh true

my bad then

[drowsy oriole]

I slamm kids from 2 grids away just get better bot

If you have 2k+ hours and can’t spray far ur just butt at the game accept it

[plush tusk]

what is al this japping about

[tender marsh]

I mean not like 70-80% of the players use cheats either way it’s too far gone may as well make recoil stup**d easy so everyone can compete not just those with 3rd party devices. I don’t have a bad shot (not amazing but not bad ) but I can’t compete when each team has cheaters on it just makes the game boring

[mystic lily]

giving us easy recoil isn't rlly a solution.. it won't help rlly at all with the cheating issue & just make the players who were still legit & enjoyed the recoil mad. just like what happened on pc lmao

console players have the ability to pressure microsoft & sony to invest in stopping these devices.. idk why people complain so much about it yet never go to the people who can actually do smth about it

a game dev made anti-cheat that actually works well isn't gonna be happening anytime soon

[tender marsh]

There’s is already an anti cheat that uses AI or analysis peoples recoil and can tell with 99.99% accuracy if someone is using 3rd party devices. It’s called anybrain and I have suggested this about 15 times on separate tickets suggestions and reports and they don’t seem to really care.

It’s actually very ingenious because these scripts input the exact same recoil controls every time so this AI monitors their inputs and auto bans them

[mystic lily]

has it ever been used, tested, & made for console games?

[tender marsh]

Yes yes and yes. Look it up

[mystic lily]

what game lmao

what game has used anybrains anti-cheat

[tender marsh]

I’ll have to find it let me have a look but you should look it up urself too it’s very promising

[mystic lily]

i know about anybrains anticheat, just never seen it be used for a console game

consoles & pcs have different rules, permissions & software 🤷‍♂️

also theres potential licensing issues, security issues all that shit

[tender marsh]

Ye I can’t actually find what game haha but I do remember an interview where they claim it has been tested in a few games and that it is able to be implemented in console too. Like honestly I would prefer to keep the recoil too but not if the cheaters don’t get handled because how am I supposed to get better with the AK if every time I take one out the cheaters all come running 😂

[mystic lily]

well i mean an ai anticheat like theirs is pretty much the only solution there is until microsoft & sony wake tf up.. 🤷‍♂️.

must be some reason why there hasn't been a single major console game to use it lmfao

also not sure on its accuracy for kbm detection.. that would be much harder to build a case for. would require reading inputs for stuff that is just not possible on a normal controller, & with that comes possible & likely false positives & false negatives.

all comes back to just harassing microsoft & sony until they do smth 🤣

[paper kraken]

Onb

[proper geyser]

Mrls doesnt “make onlines easier”, it makes defending your base early on impossible. Itll lead to servers dying quicker since itll be impossible to get on and make a play and continue playing because the established group you make a play on is just gonna fold your base with a mrls instantly. Once youre established mrls are garbage for onlining if youre not an idiot and can put sams down. But until then it just makes it near impossible to defend properly

[quick pagoda]

mlrs is NOT that strong and who is using mlrs on wipe day😭🙏

[proper geyser]

Established groups, wipe day, pick one. Servers will die because no new groups will be able to come in and get established since theyll just get stomped by a mrls barrage with 0 counterplay

[quick pagoda]

counter: add caves in the same update

[proper geyser]

So the counter is something that can only be claimed early wipe before others can get to it?

[quick pagoda]

yea. The contest is worth it, and if u dont get a cave, just get your roof to sheet

[proper geyser]

Sheet roof gets dropped by a mrls barrage

[quick pagoda]

only four mlrs hit the exact middle

[proper geyser]

Do yk how many mrls it takes to break sheet?

[quick pagoda]

lemme check rq

[proper geyser]

6, so if 2 of the others splash the middle, which they will in 90% of barrages, the sheet will break.

[wary locust]

mlrs is useful but I'd agree to a point only reason it never really affected me much on pc was because how large my bases generally were

although it was a pain when they'd just spam mlrs the entire time though

[proper geyser]

Unfortunately if its used on you BEFORE your base is huge its busted. Its op at one point and then the second you have a proper base and can place a few sams its a joke lol. Makes no sense to add it when there are many better things to add

[wary locust]

logged on to plenty of offlines where as soon as you start defending they'd just spam mlrs I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 strikes though bug after 5 it becomes annoying

[wary locust]

I mostly used it on clans roofcamping towers or clans in general

[dusky owl]

YES!!!!

[wary locust]

if your able to get close enough you could use fire arrow compound bow to shoot out sams

[proper geyser]

If youre in a clan on pc and dont have a couple sams up honestly you deserve to have your roof removed

[wary locust]

^

[proper geyser]

If i place sams on my custom theyre unhittable unless you build like 5 walls higher than the base

It will remove my second favorite roof peek but eh

[wary locust]

could be done with explo ammo at a distance with minis as well or a hot air balloon outside of Sams range

[proper geyser]

If youre online shooting someones sams out in a mini and they DONT fold you off the mini then idk

[wary locust]

could always do it while their out roaming

[proper geyser]

If youre offline shooting someones sams out…well i mean theyre offline anyway

[dusky owl]

I feel like if mlrs were added you'd probably need like a bag with a stash with a kit in it outside of abandoned military base so you can kill the person who might be spamming you with mlrs

[proper geyser]

All it takes is one dude getting doubled n spawning at base ngl ive had a couple times where i went to rekit and heard boom

[wary locust]

lol perfect timing

[proper geyser]

If youre defending a raid you rarely can spare a person to sit at a monument holding it down. Tho if you DID pull that off and mrls the raid base thatd be hilarious

[dusky owl]

This is true but usually when someone is planning to shot more than 1 volley of mlrs at your base they usually bring it with them to abandon military base

[wary locust]

it's possible but not easy

you need alot of sealing mats in advance

[proper geyser]

If someones gonna mrls spam they usually build a base nearby and store it there, never seen someone bring more than 1 strike to the actual launcher. I have seen a vid of a dude cleaning a clan building the mil base and pulling 80+ mrls rockets off them

[wary locust]

ik I do the same for mlrs

tend to build a bunkered 1x1 for mlrs

[dusky owl]

Well I have never seen someone bring 80+ mlrs on person to abandoned military base but I have seen tons of people bring like 2 to 3 volleys with them

[wary locust]

I always play solo but the most I've ever brought to a base for MLRS is 4 volleys

[dusky owl]

I always also play solo so I usually only bring 1 to 2 volleys

[wary locust]

it just depends on the size of the base in my case

and how active it tends to be around MLRS beforehand

[dusky owl]

Same it's very situational

[blissful skiff]

Cheating isnt gonna stop until theres actually punishment for it, and yes it is about 70% or more of the playerbase.

[dusky owl]

?

[blissful skiff]

70% of our player base is cheating and it has only gotten worse because they don’t ban for it. People in here openly admit to it and little to nothing to done.

[dusky owl]

Well I understood that I'm just confused cause it was just out of the blue

[blissful skiff]

Was mentioned like a day or 2 ago

[dusky owl]

Oh

[plucky sedge]

It's not 70% dont listen to him

[plucky sedge]

@wary locust

[wary locust]

wesson is correct its unlikely to be more than 20%

and even then I doubt that many

people just accuse everyone nowadays to save face whenever they lose a fight

[wary locust]

people do get banned all the time if you'd pay even the slightest of attention you'd see people complaining about being banned in the discord all the time

[dusky owl]

Well I already highly doubted 70% was cheating I was mostly confused cause his message was just out of the blue

[wary locust]

agreed I came here after I saw the ping, was just busy tc stacking on my way back to base

[plucky sedge]

He's just bad if he thinks 70% cheat

[wary locust]

tbh I think if anyone thinks it's over 40% they need to practice

[winter jasper]

Im good at the game lol

I dont need practice