best way to get bps and fragments quick I'm new

[sage geyser]

Best way to get bps
So far I've figured out to research on weapons I buy from shop idk if that right or not
Also how do you get fragments quickly like I'd melting the only option or should u buy em?

[woven notch]

The fastest way I can get scrap to research is by farming white and blue barrels on roads. On a good run I can make a max of like 280 scrap. Set up a base near a road and just farm that. I have heard there is a different way where you can farm barrels in the ocean too and apparently that's good for scrap.

[mint flicker]

Also - build a starter base near a quiet tier one monument and farm the monument. Harbour is a good one. Look at YouTube videos on how to farm specific monument and recycle components at monument to get scrap. Sewer branch is the best one but is often busy. Use your scrap to unlock blueprints quickly don’t leave it sitting in your base as if you get raided the scrap will be gone!

[sage geyser]

U mean use the tech tree to unlock bps?

[sage geyser]

Yeah but the only way of getting good bps is by killing players right?

[civic dock]

fastest way to get bps and metal frags is by farming the ocean rafts & sunken wreckage both recycle everything at outpost and bp what you want/need and buy metal frags for the rest allowing you to get all basic bps and a full sheet metal/armored base within the span of a hour

[civic dock]

not always that's just what groups prefer doing because they don't like working for anything

[sage geyser]

From where can u buy metal frags and for how much

[civic dock]

at Outpost every 25 scrap is 250 metal 3,000 scrap is 30,000 metal frags farming the ocean you can get 4,000-7,000 scrap/hour without the use of teas

if you recycle everything

[sage geyser]

Yeah but won't getting 3k scrap take forever? And even if I do get someone can always steal and it all goes to waste

[civic dock]

farming the ocean you can get up to a max of 7,000 scrap every hour farming the ocean while farming the roads you can get about a 1/3 of that a hour

every stack of sewing kit comps is equal to 100 scrap if recycled and traded in at bandit camp

[sage geyser]

Don't you need scuba gear to farm ocean?

[civic dock]

you can get 3-12 sewing kits per crate underwater if you get the sewing kit drop which isn't guaranteed

[civic dock]

for the sunken wreckage yes which costs 85 scrap diving tanks are refillable just like jackhammers

you can farm the rafts in between each wreckage as you go

[sage geyser]

Does farming the ocean mean hitting the barrels on a boat or just opening crates underwater

[civic dock]

both if you only hit one or the other you won't profit as much as you can hit the rafts as your traveling to and from each wreckage

[sage geyser]

Yeah you do need scuba gear to visit wreckage?

[civic dock]

yes as it's underwater you'd drown if you tried without

[sage geyser]

So how do I get that

[civic dock]

you can either get lucky and get it all from crates or you can get them by purchasing them at any fishing village

it costs 85 scrap for a full set

[sage geyser]

I see

[sage geyser]

So you do actually recommend buying metal frags and not actually smelting?

[civic dock]

this will be the last wipe where you'll have a easy experience doing sunken wreckage as they'll be adding sharks to sunken wreckages on main next monthly wipe

[civic dock]

I generally do both

while it's smelting scrap farm to buy metal or if I'm smelting sulfur I'll scrap farm to buy smoke grenades at outpost to recycle for excess gp

[sage geyser]

Also what's the fastest way to get cloth like can I buy it? It takes forever to collect those plants

[civic dock]

that way when I'm farming the ocean I'm getting all the materials needed to craft explosives in 1 go

[civic dock]

if you don't have a large cloth farm with God seed hemp clones aka all green genes then sunken wreckage is the best for cloth as well

[sage geyser]

So it'll be very difficult to farm sunken wreckage next wipe? What do you think the best way will be after the wipe to get scrap?

[civic dock]

every stack of sewing kits is 3-12 sewing kits a stack is 20

sunken wreckages vary by size some have 2-3 crates some 5-7 and some 7-9

[sage geyser]

And how do you find sunken ships? Is there a sign?

[civic dock]

each small crate will have 5 scrap and 2-3 items each large crate will have 10 scrap and 3-5 items

all crate spawns on sunken wreckages are randomized

[civic dock]

there's 3 ways to go about it

[civic dock]

1 look for floating bottles in the water
2 just dunk your head underwater and look for ships or rock formations
3 look on the map for the darkest water area

the first 2 methods are generally the most common as the 3rds all up to chance and luck

[sage geyser]

I see
It's my 3rd day on game
And I'm now kinda starting to understand how things work
I was confused af on day 1

[civic dock]

ik I was there in the discord when you said you was new

you had me budzie and about 5 other people talking to you

[sage geyser]

Ah that's so cool

Also when should I upgrade base rn? I just have a normal size stone base with metal sheet doors do you think that is enough?

[civic dock]

not really as if you longer you take to upgrade the easier you are to be raided

so it's best to upgrade whenever possible

[sage geyser]

From what I understand so far the objective is to collect resources collect as many bps and dominate in pvp? Is that it?

[civic dock]

so when you get enough materials to upgrade everything it's best to do so

[civic dock]

correct although if your a solo like myself you'll struggle against zergs and clans as they rely on numbers over skill and knowledge

and zergs and clans make up about 75% of the playerbase on console

just a rough estimate

[sage geyser]

That's kinds unfair ngl

[civic dock]

that's how zergs and clans are they like to use numbers of groups ranging from 8-85 deep worth of players 85 being the largest zerg I've ever seen on console rust which would intentionally doorcamp roofcamp and wait for solos to log off to offline raid them

irony is large groups like to say they'll online raid but only 1 in probably every 100 actually online and just resorts to offlining and griefing people's bases so the bases can't be recovered

rust is a great game with a toxic playerbase but in today's society that's all games

[sage geyser]

Why cant they just make offline raiding not a thing? Won't that be fair?

[civic dock]

it's a part of the game been since pc rust in 2013

also let's say they make offlining impossible do you think you could online raid a 30+ man clan/zerg with 100+ autoturrets alone and win

it's all a matter of preparations that includes your base

even if you make your base expensive to raid it doesn't stop you from being offlined from large groups zergs and clans it just lowers the possibility

can a solo win against a clan/zerg yes but it won't be easy

[sage geyser]

Oh yeah that's a factor

[civic dock]

reason the majority of the playerbase relies on numbers is because people would rather have a easy experience and target those in smaller groups or solos than people of relatively the same size instead they'd rather alliance with groups of equal size or standing

[sage geyser]

So solo players should mostly avoid clans?

[civic dock]

I still fight zergs and clans as a solo but I tend to try to wait till my main base Is mostly finished as most zergs/clans have large egos that they can't lose a fight so they always roam in large numbers and nowadays groups are so loot hungry they'll trash talk you if you don't have or use the loot they want

which alot of groups call gear fear which over 90% of the playerbase doesn't know what gear fear is

they just say others have gear fear because their opponents don't bring the gear/weapons they want to get from winning

not that it's what the person wants to use

[sage geyser]

Yeah I was farming barrels and 3 guy with guns attacked me and just outnumbered me 30 mins ago

[civic dock]

True Gear Fear Which groups and mostly the entire playerbase doesn't know or acknowledge is that if you want to bring a weapon out you like but don't out of fear that's gear fear but if you are bringing out what you want regardless even if that's not the highest tier weapon you have that's not gear fear but groups clans and zergs will call it gear fear when in reality it's not

[sage geyser]

Wait that's me

I keep weapons in lootboxes cuz I'm scared to lose em

[civic dock]

for me in my case I just being out what I like not what others like

zergs clans and groups call anyone smaller than them as a gear fear player if they don't bring out what they want but true gear fear is not bringing out what you want

for me I bring what I want out when I want I also assess the loss vs gain estimates

for example if I'm just farming the ocean or roads I have no need bringing a gun but if I'm looking for pvp or a raid then I'll always bring a gun

that's the difference between gear fear and not which the majority of the playerbase can't differentiate the difference

[sage geyser]

What yeah I don't usually keep weapons on me when I go farming

I'll just have a bow on me lol

Do you recommend to keep extra tools in box so you don't have to farm basic tools again when you die?

[civic dock]

the way I see it playing smart isn't gear fear but being afraid of doing what's best is

[civic dock]

I tend to have a box for just tools a box for guns box for comps box for meds box for clothing etc

I like to have my stuff organized when I have the time

[sage geyser]

Btw can you recycle clothes?

[civic dock]

yes but I wouldn't recommend it unless its like shorts or balacavas

[sage geyser]

What if I just buy clothes from outpost and recycle for cloth?

[civic dock]

you can do that but best way to get cloth is by recycling comps or by having a seed farm growing hemp

buying cloth is the most inefficient method in the game

[sage geyser]

Oh but yeah tbh cloth is not that common from what I have noticed like you won't find large amounts of cloth

[civic dock]

only time it's worth buying cloth is generally from players but the majority of players don't know what to price things sometimes they over price and sometimes over price

[civic dock]

every 2 tarp is 100 cloth every 2 sewing kits recycled with the rope recycled that comes along with it is 80 cloth

1 stack of tarp is 1,000 cloth 1 stack of sewing kits is 800 cloth

[sage geyser]

And tarp can be found in crates on roads right?

[civic dock]

tarp and and sewing kits can be found in barrels or crates

on the road and sunken wreckage and rafts on the ocean

I always sell my overstock items and farm in shops but I always give discounts but I never overprice zergs clans and large groups always tend to overprice as they think their the only ones that should have gear and most groups zergs and clans are afraid of a actual fight another reason why they roam in such large numbers

[sage geyser]

Do you just prefer solo or you just don't trust anyone?

[civic dock]

zergs clans and groups tend to sell items for sulfur I always sell for scrap as I can use it to get gp metal tools etc and it's less inclined to get raided than a shop selling sulfur for example selling a item for 300 sulfur is equal to 150 gp but it costs you wood and charcoal to smelt

50 scrap is equal to 180 gp in recycled smoke grenades at outpost

[civic dock]

I prefer solo and everytime I've gave anyone a chance I've been backstabbed

[sage geyser]

There Is some shop in my server they are selling custom smgs shotguns for 200-400 sulfur

[sage geyser]

Same

[civic dock]

for guns that's generally not bad but at the same time most of the time groups zergs and clans will sell guns then roofcamp to kill their own customers so they keep their guns and get the sulfur free of charge

[sage geyser]

Why do clans just like selling items for sulfur like they don't like farming it?

[sage geyser]

Basically scam your customer?

[civic dock]

zergs clans and groups generally sell for sulfur because they want to use to it offline raid bases and their own customers

but in reality you can get far more gunpowder selling for scrap than selling for sulfur while it's easier for solos small groups and overall easier for everyone to obtain

[sage geyser]

Interesting

[civic dock]

groups zergs and clans do that all the time yes while I give discounts and sometimes give protection to being killed

[sage geyser]

Are you against scamming customers?

[civic dock]

yes as it's best to have trust between your customers or they'll be more inclined to raid you rather than buy from you

for example zergs Like to sell 100 crude for 1k sulfur or 500 gp I'll sell 500 crude for 250 scrap equal to 1,500 lowgrade

if you was to buy 1,500 lowgrade at outpost it'd cost 300 lowgrade

so you'd be getting a small discount

when your selling items it's best to sell as the cheapest but not so cheap that you don't make a profit

because otherwise all it takes is someone to undercut you by selling for cheaper

only exception people will choose something more expensive is for protection and utilities they can use at your shop

[sage geyser]

Ahhhh

[civic dock]

reason why when I build my normal shop designs they're always full of customers is because it gives a complimentary access to a free tier 1 2 &3 they can use to craft items refill items and bp items

for example when I have all bps ill occasionally sell scrap for farm

for example 50 scrap for every 1k metal ore

which is a discount as if you were to trade 1k cooked metal at bandit you'd get the same exact amount of scrap back only you'd have to cook it

giving players more inclined to buy from you

[sage geyser]

What do you need scrap for mainly when you have all blueprints?

Also alot of guys are saying tech trees are not worth it is that true?

[civic dock]

if I got all bps already I only use it to buy excess metal while I got furnaces running or buying gp or jackhammers

[sage geyser]

I'm gonna try to farm scrap
And maybe pvp for BP
What do you suggest?

[civic dock]

only 3 things after I got all bps

I recommend farming the ocean when your looking for scrap comps tools and hqm

but for pvp it's best to go to oilrig or cargo till you get some guns

once you get more than 1 gun you can roam pvp for more guns but there's a catch as most groups tend to roofcamp for their guns while sending nakeds out to loot as their afraid to lose anything

so even roaming with a gun can be a risk which is why you only bring a gun when doing a raid or looking for pvp/running oil/cargo

if your just scrap farming you can easily recover anything lost

guns aren't always the same as nowadays the playerbase tend to be to afraid to get off their roof to pvp

[sage geyser]

So you don't recommend just carrying a gun when farming just for protection?

[civic dock]

either their a zerg roaming 8+ deep with more at their base roofcamping or they just roofcamp if your wanting pvp best places would be oil's and cargo for console

once underwater labs comes out it'll be another great location for loot and pvp

[civic dock]

depends in all honesty if your using a jackhammer yes bring a gun

but if your just scrap farming there's no point

as it's not as a big of a loss sure you can bring guns whenever you want but you have to play things smarter if your playing solo

the bigger the group the more risk your able to take

which comes back to the topic of gear fear as solos will play smart while groups doing the same thing when In large numbers can be classified as a type of gear fear for groups but not for solos

[sage geyser]

I mean won't it be nice to just have something for protection after farming ocean?
I mean you could loose that on your way back?

[civic dock]

it's all a matter of risk assessment and your numbers playing smart and playing risky are 2 sides of the same coin

[civic dock]

it's why I always build near the water if possible as I can just swim to my front door

the base I'm currently building and running whenever I finish it fully is a underwater entrance with 46 vending machines and 12 large boxes of storage

[sage geyser]

Vending machines to trade items?

[civic dock]

if raiders destroy and vending machines or the doorframe holding it up underwater auto despawns the loot to where the raiders can't get the loot which despawning loot personally in a online is a scummy tactic but having it auto despawn when being raided by anything other than door raiding makes offline raiders get minimal to no profit

and makes them regret their actions all in 1 go

[civic dock]

not this time no

as vending machines are the only form of loot storage you can build underwater

just turn off broadcasting and no one will see it on the map

making it where they won't know about the vending machines unless their underwater against the base

which most raiders will think to go through the walls but by doing so they auto despawn the loot while the owners offline thus making them waste their boom for nothing

which is why my bases underwater lootrooms will cost 186 c4 to full loot underwater while above water it's 36 rockets to TC +15 additional rockets for above water lootrooms

as you can't use any form of boom except c4 underwater which requires tech trash to craft

[sage geyser]

186 c4s doesn't that make it almost impossible to raid you

That's very expensive

[civic dock]

not really if they wanted they could just raid tc and let it all decay but the catch is I could get on and leave with all the loot while their waiting for it to decay

[sage geyser]

Btw how much upkeep do you recommend for tc?

[civic dock]

ad the loots underwater and they'd have to either use c4 or eco raid with salvaged hammers underwater for every single door

each vending machine having 2 garage doors + 6 garage doors and 2 sheet metal doors for the underwater entrance

[civic dock]

depends on the base

[civic dock]

if you check message request that should give you a pointer

is there any other advice that your wanting at this time?

[sage geyser]

Is hunting the best way to get food?

@civic dock

[jaunty vale]

I've been doing this a lot, and works out really well. Build a boat base (youtube has plenty of variants), get a boat, go and break barrels and do some diving (adds so much more). Between that and recycling most of the non-scrap items you get, one full day run can get you an impreasive amount of scrap