T-70 wrong gunsight reticle | Tank Squad | Page 1

nocturne seal May 24, 2025, 2:30 AM

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The T-70 had access to either TMFP telescope gunsight or TOP periscope
Right now in the game it uses T-34's sight which for sure isn't correct
I don't have the info about the telescope, but the periscope should look like in the attached image

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In the Forgotten Hope 2 mod they used something like this for the primary telescope sight but who knows how correct it is
Though from what I know they get their stuff correct in basically all cases

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But I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually for sure correct since that was the general idea with the ww2 Russian sight reticles
Here's for example the KV-85 (and IS-1) sight:
https://i.imgur.com/D22WOoU.png

Imgur

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Or KV-122 and IS-2 (early) sight

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Early T-34 or KV-1 sight

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So honestly you could just make it like that one above and call it a day if you don't want to make something like the one from Forgotten Hope 2, unless you want to use the periscope's sight

pure gulch May 25, 2025, 10:39 PM

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I can do it too

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 8:29 PM

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I found this reticle meant for T-70 I guess but never used

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Not sure what it is tho

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@nocturne seal

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 8:31 PM

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so it must be some PT

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This one is from BT-7, T-50, T-26 etc.

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@sterile elbow help

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 8:34 PM

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ok

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this will be ok?

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APHEBC BR240?

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for HE? 0-240

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 8:37 PM

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pure gulch APHEBC BR240?

russian always had lines for the MG, so it's either MG(left)/HE(right) or MG/AP, otherwise it won't make sense

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:00 PM

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60 would be 6000 m?

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actually kinda optimistic for this gun I guess

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:01 PM

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I wouldn't go that far

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remember that this one is the very early sight for the 76mm gun

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:01 PM

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yeah

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well

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:02 PM

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I don't think it's even possible to find the real image of the one used by the T-70 unless you go to some museum and be lucky enough for it to have that sight installed since many tanks and military vehicles have optics removed

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:02 PM

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I can make for each of ammo used different ammo range config for reticle for each zoom level for each distance

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maybe 1000 m max?

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:13 PM

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I would go for 2km

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for the gun

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and 1.5km for the MG
so 0, 4, 6 ,8 10, 12, 15

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Hmm, in Enlisted they went for this which is also a reasonable choice

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since its periscope sight probably looked like that

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:29 PM

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Rotary might be cool for captured T-70

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:31 PM

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I mean the Russian one had it by "default", rotary sights wasn't only used by germany

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so you could go for what I posted there #1375662320017080392 message

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@pure gulch

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Ok

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Ten TOP ciężej będzie ogarnąć mysle

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:37 PM

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from

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:37 PM

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pure gulch Ten TOP ciężej będzie ogarnąć mysle

pamiętam że jeśli chodzi o pionowe linie to była tam jakaś zasada rysowania tego

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:38 PM

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Tylko co po lewej jest a co po prawej

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4 i 10 po lewej

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4 i 6 po prawej

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:38 PM

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to samo, to jest tylko dla jednego pocisku i mieli tam tabelkę jak konwertować na inne
daj mi chwilę to poszukam

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:39 PM

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zastanawiam się czy sens go robić

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ten TMFP prędzej zrobię

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PT-1 też fajny, ale nie prawidłowy jak rozumiem dla T-70

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:39 PM

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tylko nikt nie wie jak on wygląda, więc masz opcję, albo fikcyjny TMFP albo prawdziwy TOP

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ale lipa, strona ta już nie istnieje https://web.archive.org/web/20180820212228/http://ww2history.ru/WEAPONS_AND_OPTICS_tank_T_26.html

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a obrazki się nie wczytują

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@pure gulch http://pro-tank.ru/images/nastavlenie_files/nast_ognev-10.jpg

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mam

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:44 PM

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http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/sign_tanks.htm

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tu niby dla T-70 i tego działa jest TMF-1

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:46 PM

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no ale nadal nie wiadomo jak wygląda

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a TOP jest też chyba teleskopowy

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:46 PM

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nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:46 PM

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ja tam bym tej stronie za bardzo nie ufał

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:46 PM

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nocturne seal <@106372149828145152> http://pro-tank.ru/images/nastavlenie_files/nast_ognev-10....

przetłumaczyć by trzeba

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nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:48 PM

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hmmm 😄

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:48 PM

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rozumiem pozioma kreska sie przeóa góra dół

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money 😄

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git

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zasieg w metrach, AP i HE

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ok

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:48 PM

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czekaj, spytam się kogoś kto zna rosyjski

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ale mogę dopiero jutro otrzymać odpowiedź

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:49 PM

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spoko

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jak to rozumieć

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tu i tu 400 metrów

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ale oś jest inna

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albo no po lewej AP

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po prawej HE

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co miałoby sens

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:51 PM

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czekaj

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to jest to samo

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:53 PM

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tak wygląda

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 9:54 PM

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ja to po prostu tak zrobiłem

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dopasowane do AP pionowo

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No nic, trzeba czekać do jutra

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spytałem się czy przetłumaczy też ten drugi

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ale pewno już śpi

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:56 PM

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z tym to będzie już ok zrobić

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widać 4, 6, 8, 10

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ale to wtedy do 1000 m będzie w sumie

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tzn no można tam dorysować do 2 km do 20

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 9:57 PM

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nocturne seal

jak tu

nocturne seal May 26, 2025, 10:06 PM

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@pure gulch No dobra, jednak nie spał

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To od tej tabelki

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i do tego #1375662320017080392 message

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Czyli to jest głównie pod karabin maszynowy

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ogólnie to jest taki odpowiednik tego https://i.imgur.com/GAkQZhF.png

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tylko że bardziej upośledzone

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to wyżej do Shermana

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przynajmniej będzie można ogarnąć balistykę poprawnie

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lol, tam też dali jak w Enlisted

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 10:25 PM

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nieźle

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no dobra

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spróbujmy pod AP

pure gulch May 26, 2025, 11:43 PM

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@nocturne seal mam co nieco, jestem w stanie już z AP trafić w cel na 1500 m z dowolnego FOV bez aim prediction 😉

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 5:23 AM

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nocturne seal <@703943511304699905> help

There are different PT1 sights depending on the gun

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 5:23 AM

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nocturne seal Looks similar to the PT-1 sight https://cdn-live.warthunder.com/uploads/39/30/4a...

This is 45mm

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 5:23 AM

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pure gulch

This is something else

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I can send some sources in about 6-7 hours

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 8:21 AM

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@sterile elbow PT-1 could be used in T-70?

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I'm doing this TOP periscope at the moment for T-70

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 9:23 AM

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pure gulch <@703943511304699905> PT-1 could be used in T-70?

Will check in 2 hours

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:02 PM

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pure gulch <@703943511304699905> PT-1 could be used in T-70?

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TMFP, some tanks used TOP

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periscope is commander's

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here's TOP

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here's TMFP

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:06 PM

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yeah

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I have working on TOP

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nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:07 PM

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sterile elbow here's TMFP

but that's a version for the 20mm gun

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:08 PM

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pure gulch

I'm not sure if the horizontal line should move at all, the image mentions only the vertical one

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:09 PM

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we only support horizontal move

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or rotation

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:09 PM

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No one would use it anyway probably

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I mean move the vertical one

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:12 PM

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nocturne seal I mean move the vertical one

what?

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:13 PM

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No one would move the vertical line if there was an option to do that

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:19 PM

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most likely

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reticle is ready, can be tested in next patch

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:20 PM

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nice

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:20 PM

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AP, HE, APCR have ammo range configured for each FOV zoom

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AP and APCR, 0, 500, 1100, 1500 m

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HE 0, 150, 200, 300, 400 m

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this is actually something new

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different reticles per ammo type and fov

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:21 PM

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wait, it changes itself when you switch the ammo?

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:23 PM

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yes

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:23 PM

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nocturne seal but that's a version for the 20mm gun

yep

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pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:23 PM

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our game can't adjust gun, reticle is adjusting according to distance

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:23 PM

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pure gulch yes

It's not exactly realistic then

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This stuff is built in the actual telescope, you can't switch the reticle "on the fly", that's not a modern Fire Control System

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:25 PM

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TOP is better for the game

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since it was actually for the 45mm lol

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:26 PM

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nocturne seal This stuff is built in the actual telescope, you can't switch the reticle "on th...

I agree with this

waxen glen May 27, 2025, 1:34 PM

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There are some technical difficulties to overcome in doing so, as much as Im aware, there are none of tank games that actually create physical accurate telescopes or periscopes

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:34 PM

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what stops you from becoming the first? ._.

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it's a thing I'm missing across all tank games

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actually realistic sights

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since it is your view 50% of the time, it should be real

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a lot of your playstyle depends on it

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wait RideR2 didn't forgotten hope do that? or some of those old PlayStation 2 games

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:37 PM

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waxen glen There are some technical difficulties to overcome in doing so, as much as Im awa...

I think you are misunderstanding it
To make it realistic you just make a single sight reticle which can be even static and then let the player figure it out (in case of the T-70 sight, with the Shermans it will be the same, or mostly American tanks)
In arcade mode they get a "+" for aiming anyway
And simulator mode is a simulator, so...

waxen glen May 27, 2025, 1:38 PM

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nocturne seal I think you are misunderstanding it To make it realistic you just make a single ...

alright, thats manageable

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:38 PM

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also, what about historical zoom/fov?

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:38 PM

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It would make the game too hard

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Unless they want to implement it as a special setting for simulator mode

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:39 PM

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it would propably, since most of the optics had static FOV/zoom

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thats why we have x25, x15, x10 and x5 zoom by changing FOV

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due to that we have reticles for each FOV setting

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so I managed to do a mix of approaches

sterile elbow May 27, 2025, 1:40 PM

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understandable, but it would be the same for everyone (if you limit AI's fov to the real value)

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most sights are at 2.5x zoom

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irl, tank spotting was done with binoculars, definitely not through the sights (unless you have a position to look at)

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or commander's periscope if it can rotate

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if it isn't too much trouble, perhaps you can limit it to simulator mode and do some play tests, I'm sure me and RideR2 would be glad to help

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:45 PM

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sterile elbow wait RideR2 didn't forgotten hope do that? or some of those old PlayStation 2 ga...

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:45 PM

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This how it looks right now

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forT-70

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If you turn off aiming prediction you can aim and hit target at 1500 m using this reticle

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from AP and APCR

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:47 PM

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Yeah, it should be static and look like that
So no horizontal stretching

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:47 PM

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I'm affraid its not possible right now, it would require to change some stuff in the game, right? @dim aspen

nocturne seal May 27, 2025, 1:47 PM

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or well, like this

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Either way this shouldn't have high priority until the Soviet Campaign is released

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I don't think anyone is crazy enough to use a captured T-70

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:49 PM

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nocturne seal I don't think anyone is crazy enough to use a captured T-70

well, I have a friend who like to rush with it on steppes

waxen glen May 27, 2025, 1:50 PM

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pure gulch well, I have a friend who like to rush with it on steppes

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 1:50 PM

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💁‍♂️ @waxen glen

waxen glen May 27, 2025, 1:50 PM

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I like bumper cars

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what can I say

dim aspen May 27, 2025, 1:51 PM

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I'll need more info about this later, we can easily close this or change this to suggestions

pure gulch May 27, 2025, 2:38 PM

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I would close it as it related to T-70 here. Regarding more realstic approach to optics/reticles/simulation I would create a suggestion and put this into a next roadmap plan or something

nocturne seal May 31, 2025, 6:57 PM

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@pure gulch

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This probably shouldn't be there

#T-70 wrong gunsight reticle