Bot can't give manage_permission in a channel without administrator permissions.

[grim carbon]

My bot has a command which creates a channel and then grants the command user a bunch of permissions in that specific channel. As I have recently discovered, if the bot does not have the administrator permissions, it must have every permission that it grants or else that permission won't be granted. I thought this was fine, I'd just include my long list of permissions in oAuth, but one of the most important permissions to be given to the command user is manage_permissions, and this permission only applies to channels, not roles. This means I can't give my bot manage_permissions in oAuth unless I ask server owners to give my bot Administrator perms, which I'd like to avoid. Is there any way around this or do I just need to give my bot administrator?

[viscid mortar]

Manage Roles permissions should do it

[grim carbon]

That's what I thought, but no dice

[viscid mortar]

I don't see manage_permission in the OAuth page

[grim carbon]

that's because it doesn't exist

it's only for channels

the problem is discord coded in a rule that if you don't have administrator, you can't give somebody else a permission in a channel unless you also have that permission in the channel

the only way my bot could have that permission in the channel is if it was given particularly in the context of that channel (or administrator)

oAuth won't do it

[viscid mortar]

what's the list of permissions your bot asks for?

[grim carbon]

well basically the idea of the bot is that you use the command and then you get a channel that you can do whatever you want with, so there are a lot. Obviously manage_permissions is very important in case the channel owner wanted to change other people's permissions (make the channel read-only, etc.) this is the list: py ownerPermissions = disnake.PermissionOverwrite( view_channel=True, connect=True, create_public_threads=True, create_private_threads=True, manage_channels=True, #manage_permissions=True, manage_webhooks=True, manage_messages=True, manage_threads=True, move_members=True, mute_members=True, deafen_members=True, priority_speaker=True, manage_events=True, )

manage_permissions is commented out because I wanted to see if it would work if it didn't try to assign that permission, and it did

[rain shard]

yeah thats a permission you can't auto set on the bot

ppl in the guild have to assign it

[grim carbon]

I figured

is there any way around that?

or do I just set administrator in oauth

[rain shard]

thats why i run this

if not channel.permissions_for(inter.guild.me).manage_channels or not channel.permissions_for(inter.guild.me).manage_permissions:
            e = disnake.Embed(
                description=f"❎ Please make sure I have `manage channels` and `manage permissions` permissions to {channel.mention} then run `/setup` again.", color=disnake.Color.red())
            return await inter.send(
                embed=e, ephemeral=True
            )

just do a check

and let the user know to add it

cause its per channel

[grim carbon]

the problem with that is my bot creates the channel and then immediately sets permissions in it

[rain shard]

as long as the bot has manage_channel persm its fine then

[grim carbon]

so I'd have to ask a server admin to give the bot permissions as it creates the channel

defeating the whole point

[grim carbon]

it does, still no dice

I think since it's specifically giving manage_permissions it needs to specifically have manage_permissions

[rain shard]

i think its one of those weird role/member permission type things

[grim carbon]

wdym

[rain shard]

yesterday when tryna troubleshoot why my bot wasnt working for someone

i had to set the bot user permissions for the channel

and not the role itself

or else it acted if the bot still didn't have the permissions

[grim carbon]

what does your bot do with the permissions?

[rain shard]

no i mean this

[grim carbon]

?

[rain shard]

see how its the bots user and not the bots role

[grim carbon]

right

[rain shard]

when i set the bots role permission for manage permissions it didnt work

but when i did the user it worked

[grim carbon]

well you can't set manage permissions in the role can you?

[rain shard]

so then once i did that the bot set it's own perms for that channel

[grim carbon]

that's the whole issue

[rain shard]

you can

unless u mean the bot setting itself then no

that's why u need to run a check

[grim carbon]

that's what I meant

[rain shard]

there is no way around it other than just giving the bot admin which i advised against cause that alone scares ppl away from bots

[grim carbon]

like I said, a check woudln't work for my use case because each channel it uses set_permissions on is a unique brand-new channel

[grim carbon]

I know, that's why I was really hoping there was another way to do it

[rain shard]

if the bot is creating the chanenl

then you can do it as long as it has manage channel perms

cause it's the bots channel

[grim carbon]

that didn't work for me

my bot has manage_channel perms as per oauth

[rain shard]

are u creating it in a category that has overwrites?

[grim carbon]

nope

does your bot grant the manage_permissions role?

to someone else I mean

is that its purpose

[grim carbon]

bc I think the disconnect here is while normally it would work with manage_roles or manage_channels, to specifically grant a permission the bot needs to have that specific permission

[rain shard]

is what my bot default perms are

[grim carbon]

that's not really what I was asking

you've said you do a check

what do you need the check for

are you doing the same thing I'm doing

[rain shard]

but you need the manage_channel perm to begin with if ur creating channels

[grim carbon]

right

[rain shard]

because the bot sets it own perms

thats why i run the check

[viscid mortar]

as I've seen in the internal code, manage_permissions equals to manage_roles since it's an alias

[grim carbon]

my bot definitely has manage_roles

[rain shard]

i dont think it does because by default my bot hs that perm and the check still fails.

[grim carbon]

still can't grant somebody manage_permissions

[rain shard]

can i see ur code?

[grim carbon]

I already sent the permissions, here's the snippet of what isn't working

# create channel
    if type == "# Text":
        channel = await server.create_text_channel(title, topic=f"{description}Created by {user}", category=category)
    elif type == "🔊 Voice":
        channel = await server.create_voice_channel(title, category=category)

    # set permissions
    await channel.set_permissions(user, overwrite=ownerPermissions)```

[rain shard]

thats whats. you are setting the overwrites after u create the channel

you need to do it as you create it

[grim carbon]

I didn't think that was an option

can you show me what you mean

[rain shard]

you can set overwrites when u create the channel

[grim carbon]

how?

[junior sorrel]

disnake.Guild.create\_text\_channel

await create_text_channel(name, *, reason=None, category=None, position=..., topic=..., slowmode_delay=..., default_thread_slowmode_delay=..., default_auto_archive_duration=..., ...)```
This function is a [*coroutine*](https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#coroutine).

Creates a [`TextChannel`](https://docs.disnake.dev/en/latest/api/channels.html#disnake.TextChannel "disnake.TextChannel") for the guild.

You need [`manage_channels`](https://docs.disnake.dev/en/latest/api/permissions.html#disnake.Permissions.manage_channels "disnake.Permissions.manage_channels") permission to create the channel.

The `overwrites` parameter can be used to create a ‘secret’ channel upon creation. This parameter expects a [`dict`](https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#dict "(in Python v3.11)") of overwrites with the target (either a [`Member`](https://docs.disnake.dev/en/latest/api/members.html#disnake.Member "disnake.Member") or a [`Role`](https://docs.disnake.dev/en/latest/api/roles.html#disnake.Role "disnake.Role")) as the key and a [`PermissionOverwrite`](https://docs.disnake.dev/en/latest/api/permissions.html#disnake.PermissionOverwrite "disnake.PermissionOverwrite") as the value.

Note

Creating a channel of a specified position will not update the position of other channels to follow suit. A follow-up call to [`edit()`](https://docs.disnake.dev/en/latest/api/channels.html#disnake.TextChannel.edit "disnake.TextChannel.edit") will be required to update the position of the channel in the channel list...

[rain shard]

its a parameter

[grim carbon]

dang

[rain shard]

in the function

[grim carbon]

I had no idea

should've read closer

alright, I'll try it and get back to you guys

wait, who would those overwrites apply to?

there's no user parameter

[rain shard]

huh?

u just

.create_text_channel(...., overwrites=overwrites)

[grim carbon]

right

but are those the overwrites for @ everyone?

or for my bot

or what

[rain shard]

no u specify who they are for

when u do the overwrites

[grim carbon]

set_permissions has a specific parameter for target

and then overwrites is a different parameter

[rain shard]

overwrites={
            inter.guild.me: disnake.PermissionOverwrite(view_channel=False)
        }

[grim carbon]

ah, thank you

[rain shard]

yup

[grim carbon]

no dice, it's the same as setting the permissions in a separate line

won't let me do it

[rain shard]

does it give u an error?

[grim carbon]

I have manage_channels and manage_roles

[grim carbon]

yes, disnake.ext.commands.errors.CommandInvokeError: Command raised an exception: Forbidden: 403 Forbidden (error code: 50013): Missing Permissions

the error only gets called when I try to assign manage_permissions

if I comment manage_permissions out it works just fine

[rain shard]

actually if u think ab it i think thats how it's intended to be

because unless u have admin

u cant set ur own channel permissions

[grim carbon]

yep

[rain shard]

which makes sense

[grim carbon]

if only manage_roles actually was equivalent to manage_permissions

then it wouldn't be an issue

[rain shard]

yeah im not sure why that's an alias because even users can't set their own permissions to a channel without admin and if u have admin u don't need to set ur permission

lol

doesn't actually make sense

i think it's more so to set permissions for other users beneath ur role

[grim carbon]

yeah true

[rain shard]

because when the bot creates the channel it set's it own perms for it. but if you need to manage other perms for other users

[grim carbon]

it'd just be nice if there was a way to allow for this in oauth

[rain shard]

that's where the check would come in

[grim carbon]

right

but a check would defeat the whole point of the bot

[amber sedge]

how so

[grim carbon]

at that point just make the server administrator make the channel for the user

[rain shard]

i mean the bot can still set other peoples perms

just beneath it's role

[amber sedge]

they try to create the channel, it fails because of perms, they give the bot the perms and try again, done?

[rain shard]

well

the issue with that is the channel needs to be created first

[grim carbon]

the issue isnt creating the channel, it's giving somebody perms in that channel

manage_permissions isn't in oauth

it only applies to channels

so my bot can only have manage_permissions if an admin grants it in a specific channel

which they can't do without the channel having been created before

I guess I technically could do it in category permissions

I may look into that

[amber sedge]

I don't think the situation would be any different tbh

[grim carbon]

that way when the channel is created my bot has manage_permissions

and it can then give the user manage_permissions

[grim carbon]

it'd still be a pain, the admin would have to set it for every single category manually

[rain shard]

you can still set permissions

for ppl

in channels lol

without that perm while ur creating the channel. it just has to be beneath ur role

that's what manage_roles is for

[grim carbon]

I dont catch your meaning

I just checked, you can give the bot manage_permissions in categories

but is that better than just giving the bot administrator in oauth?

one is a lot of work for the server owner, and the other is a lot of trust from the server owner

[rain shard]

yeah probably best bet

before creating the channel is to make sure the bot has manage_permissions for that category its creating the channel in

actually weird you cant even set the perms in overwrite while creating the channel even if the bots role is higher

[grim carbon]

I don't think the height of the role matters for this, since it's channel permissions

[rain shard]

well it does because the you cant set someones permissions for anything if their role is higher than urs

[grim carbon]

just gonna do this

when the server owner adds the bot to their server, they can decide whether they want to give it administrator, or give it manage_permissions in ever category

[rain shard]

i just don't understand what the issue actually is

cause by discords own words

yet when the bot creates a channel it cant give other ppl the manage_channel perm that is underneath its role

unless someone specifically grants it the manage_permissions perm. it's weird

[grim carbon]

no, it makes sense

I ran into the same thing with all the other perms

like it can't give somebody the view_channel perm in a specific channel unless the bot is explicitly given view_channel in oauth

to give a perm, you have to have the same perm

[rain shard]

but by discords definition

manage roles

allows u to change channel perms

lol

[grim carbon]

well yes

but only perms that you have

[rain shard]

oh i see what ur saying now

[grim carbon]

like if I gave the bot every perm except for manage roles it couldn't change channel perms

but if it does have manage roles

it can change channel perms

[rain shard]

i think too tho that permission

[grim carbon]

but only the channel perms that it already has

[rain shard]

is "newer"

[grim carbon]

yeah probably

[rain shard]

which could be why its not in oauth

[grim carbon]

if there were an oauth workaround thing that allowed you to have manage perms in all channels

that would be exactly what I need