tectonic cancelled for homophobic devs
#envy's dual tribe runs!
distant rock
sudden roost
Gumball is super good.
sacred gale
Prediction: steel weak to electric.
digital plaza
but also got -1 to def and spdef so it balances out
sacred gale
I will cry.
quiet plaza
ghost immune to steel (cant cut ghost with sword)
sacred gale
MISDREAVUS STAYS WINNING!
digital plaza
m. ninetales needs to keep taking ws clearly
spare pollen
buff ghost and psychic with resistance/immunity to ground and fire and psychic ...
quiet plaza
rock supereffective against steel (rock beats scissors)
wanton notch
now that is huge
quiet plaza
. ig this also implies steel supereffective against grass (scissors beats paper)
does paper still count as grasstype…..
wanton notch
yes
spare pollen
actually surprised we havent had a book-shaped pokemon yet have we
distant rock
every pokemon is book shaped if you read the manga
digital plaza
does paper still count as grasstype…..
so if scissors is steel and grass is paper then what is kartana
quiet plaza
kartana is when u make up a new move in rock-paper-scissors and try to argue that it beats everything with its 181 attack
digital plaza
lmao
quiet plaza
the flavor of noble blade is the enemy pokemon looking up the rules online to prove you cant throw scissors and paper at the same time
quiet plaza
actually surprised we havent had a book-shaped pokemon yet have we
rotome…… rotom but its grass/ghost haunting a big&tattered book
quiet plaza
ALKSDHG ROTOME
pokemon universe boomer meme abt rotomdex ipad babies vs the humble&educational rotome
spare pollen
PORYGAMI … envy your mind ..
spare pollen
<:kel_pensive:629172221398614016> pokemon universe boomer meme abt rotomdex ipad...
literallyyyyy
wanton notch
gumball acquired…
quiet plaza
hmmm. forcing myself to heat up microwave meal so i dont starve. and thinking abt tectonic as i heat up microwave meal
i want to try out the post-surf mons… saurenaid and indeedee and sensibelle…… and. i mean i Guess lugia’s part of the dualtribe. idk how much ill actually use her though
quiet plaza
im very curious about indeedee, its one of the mons i dont think ive ever looked at (also yeah dw i know, i mean like. the mons i didnt get pre-surf)
digital plaza
lugia's biggest issue rn (well apart from not really having anything that makes her pop atm) is that she's kind of just saurenaid with more stats for you
same deal with maelstrom trapping plus big defenses plus recover
well I guess saurenaid doesn't have recover
wanton notch
assistant can cause some gnarly behavior, jsyk
quiet plaza
oooo nodsnodsnods….
wanton notch
assist is weird and moves on entry can also be weird
quiet plaza
ooh ty for the heads-up, noted 
wanton notch
like it's probably fine but the game might start vomiting if you call a switch move
distant rock
saurenaid to me is more of a tank than a wall
those stabs + ice can deal a lotta damages
quiet plaza
im very excited to finally click ice-type hyper voice after two playthroughs’ worth of samorn’s saurenaid clicking it against my team
digital plaza
saurenaid does do a lot of damage but 151/130 pehp/sehp is perfectlly fine to serve as a wall though. though not having recover discourages that
ah no mending spring though. so I suppose you're sort of funneled into using saurenaid as a tank
I'm just skeptical of slow attackers in general lol
distant rock
slow attackers are my shit
digital plaza
this is more of looking at it from a perfection perspective sort of thing ofc, but slow attacking + unreliable recovery tends to make for a pokemon that is less flexible than I like
quiet plaza
ooh saurenaid has 1/4 fire and water resists…. switch-in potential……
digital plaza
also can't be burned/frostbitten with leviathan which can be very relevant
doesn't actually have hazard removal though so it can't actually come in on frost/flame spikes and do something productive
viscerally reminded of why I decided this pokemon was just Worse Milotic
quiet plaza
omg……
wanton notch
viscerally reminded of why I decided this pokemon was just Worse Milotic
please note these thoughts in The Other Document
digital plaza
will do
wonder if we should just leave that document for the current round of changes and start a new one for future stuff though
but yeah should get noted in A Document regardless
distant rock
this is more of looking at it from a perfection perspective sort of thing ofc, b...
sounds like someone has never clicked a choice banded 130atk stab move
sacred gale
Slow powerful mons without recovery can be so amazing, but there is far less margin for error with them since there's no way to make up for mistakes and you can't keep going on low HP like a fast attacker might.
digital plaza
my general impulse with that sort of thing is that mons with that kind of thing should have something really powerful and/or cool to make up for it
because in tectonic, there's often something slow and powerful that does have recovery that does the job about as well
sacred gale
Yeah that makes sense.
I genuinely cannot think of any slow powerful mons without recovery besides melmetal and metagross. Both of them fit the role by being very threatening and very bulky, which is the most generic way to do it (affectionate) but they manage.
sacred gale
I gotta test it.
Seems possibly nifty.
Oh I thought it was a way more common ability for some reason! Just absolus and turt, nifty.
sudden roost
Oddly enough its sees the most use into Helena in the nuzlocke
It can double set flames spikes into Chinchou whixh works really well into her team
sacred gale
I was really hoping for turt in the sauna because it'd be a grown man beating up children.
It does seem nice there.
sudden roost
Trubbish is the only one who does it better rn.
sudden roost
Does it get flame spikes?
sacred gale
...Okay maybe Togedemaru shouldn't be used for Helena though in a nuzlocke.
Unless you're very confident in getting to frostflow.
sudden roost
I mean that'd be tough to get yeah
Oh Cacnea may be alright
Wait no dark type. Anyways
quiet plaza
omg togedemaru is caretaker…… togedemaru into zence…….
digital plaza
imagine being Bence and Zoé when water and steel types exist
sacred gale
omg togedemaru is caretaker…… togedemaru into zence…….
Togedemaru is, in my genuine opinion, the best Pokemon I've ever used in this game.
(That being said I don't think it's broken.)
sacred gale
It's so funny to me that even in canon Togedemaru isn't great but somehow finds use at random times because it has so many random good traits.
And now it has reached the pinnacle of this bizarre viability, being incredible at low level and still pretty good when playing normally because of the massive bag of tricks and weird niches.
sour birch
basically-vanilla toge in basically-vanilla nuzlockes my beloved
spare pollen
we talked about mtg in here before right
my brothers sharing about the upcoming Star Trek decks I thought of yall
quiet plaza
😭 helppppppp
warm venture
did you hear they fucked up the monster hunter secret lair so bad they had to cancel it
they couldn't even be bothered to spell the names correctly
warm venture
They're apparently gonna do a redo but yeah lmao the original one got canned due to the negative reaction
quiet plaza
helppppp
sudden roost
U ok?
wanton notch
magic the gathering
quiet plaza
U ok?
oh yeah im just. blown away by the absolute state of mtg (also i forgot that i already posted "[emoji] helpppp" in here once)
sacred gale
Mtg is great because it makes me realize that being a Pokemon fan isn't actually the worst case scenario.
sudden roost
Yep
Actually played magic for the first time ever yesterday with a girlfriends local friend. It was fairly fun
But if I ever wanna play it I'll just boot up tts
Not giving wizards my money
quiet plaza
somehow dualtribe playthroughs are making me feel like i want to do a like, monotribe run at some point. theres so many mons with only one tribe, or with a nonviable dualtribe combo... hard to fit into dualtribe comps...
quiet plaza
<- girl whos strongly considering it
like dualtribes are fun bc they really spotlight a few specific mons, but theres so many mons in tectonic... so many cool&good things to try out...
wanton notch
i, am doing a secret weather playthrough where koffing has mental block so i can use it for eko,
quiet plaza
woah...... awqsome
sudden roost
That dog got dat moon in em
warm venture
Which is funny because the moon got that cat in her (I'm the moon)
wanton notch
is this redacted enough
quiet plaza
probably? <- girl who still has no clue what gumball might be
wanton notch
but yeah my beloved fairy types can now join the team
also i can actually leverage the weather LOL
quiet plaza
:]
wanton notch
probably should go get an audino
digital plaza
probably? <- girl who still has no clue what gumball might be
a thing that you chew and theoretically tastes good in the meantime
quiet plaza
woah... im learning so much...!!
hmmmm. okay i have a lot of fun options now <- girl whos caught a bunch of stuff
wanton notch
where are you actually in the game
quiet plaza
lvl 40 cap, surfboard, no prizca yet
wanton notch
get labrys
digital plaza
the saurenaid, whose name I has remembered is maxie
random but because I can't get it out of my head now: I once played omega ruby with a friend who had never played Pokemon before and she saw Maxie and proceeded to refer to him as "the Redditor" for the rest of the game
quiet plaza
get labrys
already did... shes awqsome...
digital plaza
she was not wrong!
quiet plaza
redditors versus. hm. piracy??
You Wouldn't Download An Ocean,
. OH LMAO okay ive figured out why i made the loudred follow me mistake that one time. i was clicking "all moves" in the teambuilder like, surely this means "both level and tutor moves", but no its just. All Moves
also 
the more i look at saurenaid the more im going, oh youre a really good doubles support bot. some combination of cryo sleep/lullaby and life dew and frost spikes and helping hand and reflect and generically powerful spread move
(and like, protect ofc)
as cool as arctic ariette is, somehow i feel like leviathan has become the option of choice just bc it doesnt need a third attacking move. probably building her as a frost spikes tank lead for now (since i'm just building for like, doing the post-surf areas)
digital plaza
yeah that feels right. as i play more of this game it really feels like you don't need to run a third attacking type unless you're actually just a sweeper (or like an assault vest set)
quiet plaza
yeah ive gotten the same sense
digital plaza
my typical mantra is that coverage is why there are five other pokemon on the team
not always true ofc, but often true
quiet plaza
wiseful......
god togedemaru's resists are insane
two quarter-resists And an immunity.....
digital plaza
steel types be like
spare pollen
wouldn’t it just be so beautiful if that 2 for psychic was a 1/2 … 
👉 👈
ahsjkdkd it’s probably a wise change 😔🙏
quiet plaza
genuinely considering krookodile wildcard mon just to flex on sang (i already have seismitoad and chatot, and i need a psychic answer)
(also i have a lvl40 krookodile already bc canal desert levels scale, so like. low resource investment)
(also also regenerator + caretaker bonus krookodile sounds really funny)
quiet plaza
the team.... i have no clue how to use togedemaru so this might switch to like, a set with actual attacks at some point
digital plaza
you can also use a more straightforward sudden turn set tbf. nuzzle/volt switch into clear hazards is very strong
quiet plaza
ooooo nodsnods…. ive heard moth speak highly of plasma globe so i wanted to give it a go
warm venture
. OH LMAO okay ive figured out why i made the loudred follow me mistake that one...
wagh we know this is confusing but don't have a better idea how to communicate it akdsfj;aklj
digital plaza
yeah i get that! plasma globe is just one of those abilities that's weird; it doesn't work like other swtuff so the play patterns are different I think
sacred gale
ooooo nodsnods…. ive heard moth speak highly of plasma globe so i wanted to give...
Highly recommend endure if you run plasma globe.
wanton notch
its giving
sacred gale
Also Rowap/Jacoba berry are super nice.
Imo plasma globe is at its most reliable when you use it as a surefire way to delete one pokemon.
Running it as a more long-term battler might be somewhat tough.
digital plaza
Imo plasma globe is at its most reliable when you use it as a surefire way to de...
asha coded
quiet plaza
ooooo ic ic…….
perhaps ill run a sudden turn set then, to start out (bc i want togedemaru to deal with ice types and such on this team)
spare pollen
I loved the utility of sudden turn for my caretaker rain team
come in, do cool utility shit, volt switch out and clear hazards for the new person coming in
sacred gale
Fun fact, Togedemaru can't learn rapid spin in this game.
I think it might be the only pokemon who has an ability that calls a move it cannot otherwise use naturally?
wanton notch
we're experimenting a bit more in the "ability that gives you a move you don't have" space
sudden roost
but also its wacky togedemaru can't learn rapid spiin
quiet plaza
ludicolo is so awqsome...... 1/8th heal on clicking dream dance is so. peak
quiet plaza
the team.... i have no clue how to use togedemaru so this might switch to like, ...
oh i forgot to ability capsule chatot to loud also... even with fascinate its doing rlly solid damage though
this team is. really fun
sudden roost
the team.... i have no clue how to use togedemaru so this might switch to like, ...
half sang, half chaos
quiet plaza
oh i forgot to ability capsule chatot to loud also... even with fascinate its do...
. tbh i capsuled it to loud but im genuinely considering switching it back to fascinate... fascinate is just. so good
yeah might as well honestly
sudden roost
loud kinda whatev
quiet plaza
yeah its like. i mean ig the extra damage is nice, but fascinate lets me do things like lead on a skill link cinccino and survive a rapid hertz to click chatter and shut skill link off <- thing i did just now
and i have togedemaru as a pivot already so switch-in abilities are even more premium than usual
sacred gale
Fascinate my beloved...
Such a lovely ability. I should make a team of 2 fascinate 2 intimidate 2 frustrate.
quiet plaza
omg true.....
sacred gale
Maybe not 2 frustrate but still, seems fun.
Are there any moves/abilities that benefit from the enemy having lowered stats?
digital plaza
problem with loud is it's only really useful for pushing extra damage on a sweeper in my experience, and 91 speed especially is probably a little shy of the mark you want
i tend to prefer at least 120/100 tbh but that might just show that I've used too many super powerful mons lol
quiet plaza
Are there any moves/abilities that benefit from the enemy having lowered stats?
just scrolled through every pokemon with the word "stat" in an ability and i don't thiiiink so? might still be missing smth though
digital plaza
don't believe there are (hm, should there be?)
sacred gale
I thiiiink I remember Scrafty having something that benefits from raised or lowered enemy stats? But that's it.
digital plaza
our moves based on stats are typically centered on raised stats to punish setup etc
yes it does
forgot about scrafty browbeat
sacred gale
don't believe there are (hm, should there be?)
I think it could honestly be really interesting as something to try and build around!
digital plaza
it's certainly unexplored design space by definition atm, and it gives another way to structure a team
lemme just
write this down in a doc
sacred gale
Like the payoff to lowering stats is of course lowering stats, but that could be cooler in a lot of ways?
quiet plaza
it's fun flavor-wise too - animal adapts to hunt weakened prey etc
sacred gale
I think the closest rn is traumatizing Malamar?
digital plaza
got too many of these things lol
quiet plaza
I think the closest rn is traumatizing Malamar?
tbh traumatizing malamar would also get exponentially cooler with like, other synergy pieces to run it with....
the dream of weakening a bunch of your opponent's team with malamar and then sending in [as-of-yet unidentified mon] to run away with the match
digital plaza
ooh that's neat yeah
nerf the opposing team's attacking stats to set up your sweeper while also making them safer
quiet plaza
theres probably interesting design space to like- the previewed hypno signature from earlier today comes to mind. (presumably signature design space?) moves that "use up" lowered stat steps on an enemy to do smth cool and powerful...
sacred gale
If there's a hex/cruelty-like move or a passive like merciless/harsh that would be so threatening.
Well, probably not any more so than those moves/abilities are already, but they're super fun to use as is.
quiet plaza
hex and cruelty awqsome......
sacred gale
theres probably interesting design space to like- the previewed hypno signature ...
Yeah! Very fun concept.
I love cruelty so much.
digital plaza
yeah definitely
probably not straight up the same power boost since it's easier to apply stat drops, but a boosting mechanic like that could be nice
sacred gale
It is easier, although to be fair they're also transient when statuses stick around on switch.
digital plaza
definitely true yeah, though the flip side is you can easily get stat drops with abilities etc to set it up
delcatty stonks rising etc
sacred gale
It is easier, although to be fair they're also transient when statuses stick aro...
Not like the AI will play smartly around that though tbf.
quiet plaza
things like sticky web would probably also need to be taken into account (sticky webs notably only taking one turn to setup compared to status spikes, as far as ease of stat debuffs versus statuses)
sacred gale
delcatty stonks rising etc
Delcatty was too weak, she needs this.
digital plaza
Not like the AI will play smartly around that though tbf.
they can sorta
I thiiink (?) the AI would see a stat drop hex at the higher damage number and make switching decisions accordingly at any rate
quiet plaza
oooo nodsnods...
sacred gale
Oh nifty.
digital plaza
(the AI is very complicated and often hard to understand if you're not looking directly at the debug output. and scrolling through literally multiple pages of debug output every turn)
quiet plaza
(tectonic AI so cool……)
sacred gale
I gotta start debugging so I can understand it better...
digital plaza
it is helpful!
or like, just do what I did and do so many runs you internalize it LOL
tbf it's not that hard to simplify to a heuristic; the AI always sees your highest-power STAB moves, it stays in if it can kill you first, it switches if you can kill it first, it switches if it sees a very favorable matchup and predicts you to make a move that gives it a good switch (i.e. fighting into steel type nearly always switches to ghost). doesn't cover everything but it's easy enough to just look at it and know more or less what's gonna happen
quiet plaza
or like, just do what I did and do so many runs you internalize it LOL
genuinely its been so fun to feel myself get better at anticipating the AI….. joy&enrichment
digital plaza
the feeling of tangible improvement is a real benefit to playing this game IMO
like, the reason why i ended up doing the curselocke and all that was because it was actually worth it to get good at this game! which has very much not been the case for other romhacks/fangames I've tried
sacred gale
the feeling of tangible improvement is a real benefit to playing this game IMO
I love self improvement I love learning I love depth in gameplay...
spare pollen
ludicolo is so awqsome...... 1/8th heal on clicking dream dance is so. peak
I keep wanting to try rest snore ludicolo to see how that feels w the extra healing on top
quiet plaza
omg i nearly ran that as my ludicolo set… i noticed it in the mentoring list and i was like. oh wait that seems kinda good
also goddddd i just finished season one of gwitch and. this show is so so good. what the fuck. oh my god
quiet plaza
three layers of spikes and two layers of frost spikes on the field.... i think this might be my "falling in love with hazards" playthrough
oh saurenaid is really putting in work
prizca east :]
warm venture
comfy :]
quiet plaza
can't tell if this is a bug or intended behavior - my female indeedee has the male indeedee sprite..... (caught with dexnav) (guessing maybe bug? because universal formalizer doesn't work on it, and zero indication of this being intentional)
okay i've reproduced the issue in a non-dexnav encounter, probably going to do some dexnavs next to check if like. every single indeedee has the male form
yeah okay i think all girl indeedees are boymoding atm. im assuming i should make a bug report thread abt this, so ill go do that
bug report made o7
(i searched "indeedee" in bug reports first and didnt find another post about it)
indeedee is kind of hard to think up a build for... assault vest spdef tank? maybe? kind of really funny that it gets cha-ching... indeedee working for its paycheck...
it doesn't have (non-rest) recovery or screens... i guess yeah detour to pick up assault vest bc its coverage isnt bad at least
sacred gale
I feel like it's hard to make a build for indeedee that's not just breaking the game with free assist.
quiet plaza
yeah that was the feeling i was getting, like. hard to use it "fairly"
sacred gale
Like you just need to use a kinda subpar normal psychic if you don't do that.
The other ability is kinda alright but not really doing that much.
quiet plaza
</3 sadness....
wanton notch
i think we gave it royal majesty…
quiet plaza
ohhh delight and joy...
still probably not the best singles mon but at least it gets doubles utility...
digital plaza
we did for now anyway. she still lacks a sig atm
quiet plaza
a sig for her... shes polite and helpful i think she would appreciate one
spare pollen
unionize… all maid type pokemon in the party attack the opponent one after another ..
quiet plaza
unionize supereffective against royalty pokemon (slowking, nidoqueen, etc)...
spare pollen
in addition to types and tribes all pokemon are now assigned an economic class
quiet plaza
is gardevoir a princess and thus vulnerable to unionize (longest thread in tectonic server history, locked by moderators after 1 gardevillion posts)
quiet plaza
omg … I vote yes … 😔🙏
her jp name is sirnight and shes devoted to protecting her trainer... shes a diligent and employed knightgirl... gardevoir member of the proletariat
quiet plaza
comrade gardevoir...!!
spare pollen
or is she a running dog of the bourgeoisie …
quiet plaza
i dont know... thats scary...
what you say may be true... <- girl now really feeling the weight of the gardevoir princesshood conundrum
spare pollen
now I’m trying to decide which pokemon is voted most likely to be the princess whom gardevoir protects ..
quiet plaza
omg omg.....
quiet plaza
including alcremie
. bc of alcremie mention now im just imagining gardevoir protecting alcremie....
alcremie so small. gardevoir doing the "get behind me" pose with her arm up protectively and such
upon further thought itd also be fun to incorporate type matchups and such... like, what does gardevoir switch in well for to cover
digital plaza
um. about that. lol
(why does gardevoir have such a defensive typing but is so knight-coded)
fighting I guess lol
quiet plaza
(why does gardevoir have such a defensive typing but is so knight-coded)
sadness... CVing her to steel so she can be a more effective knight...
quiet plaza
omgggg.... her awqsome armor...
you catch her at like, one of the ruined towers. an ancient warrior....
quiet plaza
. oh my god i somehow never found "the most dangerous experiment" in the sewers....
. oh my god theres a totem down here??????
spare pollen
Omg …
quiet plaza
this is my third playthrough i genuinely just never checked this patch of the map???
. idk why im saying "this is my third playthrough" like thats news to anyone here. im kinda stunned though
currently fighting a donster avatar that i had zero clue existed
digital plaza
you did skip over a lot of optional content in the name of playing more Tectonic runs lol :P
that would probably have led you to a few more things!
quiet plaza
HELP OKAY FAIR.... i did forget i did that ill be so real with u
like i sectioned off basically everything i didnt see in my mind as "postgame content" bc i thought id been pretty thorough
digital plaza
that's fair lol
I mean some of this is just that it's because legendaries and there are so many fucking legendaries
but there's a lot of stuff I think you just didn't hit
spoilerful list: ||weather trio, former champs, eventide isle, guardian isle, spirit atoll, dangerous experiment||
quiet plaza
WAH TY i will not be clicking the spoilerful list but its delightful to me that theres things i didnt see.......
digital plaza
there is just like a lot though; like I usually do completionist runs on dev and I end up having to make this same checklist for myself to make sure I hit everything
and that's leaving out the stuff that you obviously know exists like all the regi dungeons
quiet plaza
digital plaza
it's like. on one hand making the decision to skip a lot of the extraneous stuff and just move onto the next run makes a lot of sense and is very based! and on the other hand there is a lot of other cool stuff you haven't seen
quiet plaza
it's like. on one hand making the decision to skip a lot of the extraneous stuff...
i knowwwww <- wailing for mercy at this point bc i did just get burned out on lvl70 content and wanted to keep doing new runs
digital plaza
yeah i mean. like i said it's on many levels a good decision and not really meant as a criticism
quiet plaza
nodsnodsnods... awawawa (sorry i get stressed out by repetition of the downsides of my choices in this kind of context)
digital plaza
no that's very fair and I should have been more clear abotu that I think
quiet plaza
wawawa youre all good... i like u and i have fun talking about tectonic with u 
btw
digital plaza
thank you it's very good to hear (I may also have a touch of the ol social anxiety lmao)
on a separate note btw i was on a call with friends earlier and mentioned your comrade makyan gardevoir idea and they think it's the most based thing ever
quiet plaza
thank you it's very good to hear (I may also have a touch of the ol social anxie...
(woah... we're both social anxiety girlies...)
quiet plaza
on a separate note btw i was on a call with friends earlier and mentioned your c...
omg hellyeah! dia really cooked with the steel/fairy typing tbh... further proof that steel is the best type... [user was paid a metagrillion dollars to make this post]
digital plaza
it is a cool thing yes <- girl who specifically built to put a steel/fairy type on both the curselocke tournament team and also fixed encounters only
(it was magearna though so she was on for other reasons (serperior is a Problem))
it's theoretically a possible pitch diversity-wise but it's unfortunately something that would have be pitched later down the pipeline given the current state of our progress I think
quiet plaza
omg... <- girl who didnt think it was anything more than a passing idea, so hearing that its a possible pitch is a pleasant surprise
spare pollen
it's theoretically a possible pitch diversity-wise but it's unfortunately someth...
that just gives us time to theorycraft a unique ability/move/stat line for Makyan gardevoir that’s immensely overpowered but totally plausibly deniable so it can sneak past the devs and QA when we helpfully volunteer it … 😈
quiet plaza
WAIT TRUE..... omgomgomg
spare pollen
but also that’s so cool yall are so kind taking our ideas into account at all DHFJFK
digital plaza
we take most ideas into account tbh
we may not always act on them, but we do take most things into account
spare pollen
forgive me for crowding the airwaves with my facetious suggestions to buff steel a million fold …. I was just kidding … haha unless ..?
digital plaza
that we are not doing lol
(this has actually been a bit of an issue lately -- steel is in a place on live where it's crowding out other Pokemon to an extent, specifically Poison, and we're working on changes to alleviate that a bit without fundamentally changing its character)
spare pollen
omg 😔🙏 understandable I hope it works out ..
digital plaza
i think it is! but more testing is always needed. never enough QA testing lol
one of the main goals of this game is to make every pokemon have a meaningful niche, and creating ways for that to happen requires a lot of work lol
spare pollen
What is the QA process like? 👀 just like going through doing playthroughs with the new stuff?
digital plaza
pretty much yeah
we have a list of things we need to test and are basically running through the game stress-testing them to make sure the new stuff feels good, the old stuff isn't either too broken or so bad it doesn't come up, making sure everything is interesting, etc.
spare pollen
makes sense 😤
quiet plaza
ooo nodsnodsnods...
spare pollen
if I have time someday I might volunteer … it’s really fun just trying out new pokemon and stuff ..
digital plaza
that it is
it's a bit of a mindset shift but honestly not too much tbh
just like, it's cool that this is powerful -> is it problematic that this is powerful? is a weird internal shift lol
spare pollen
Yeah definitely ahdjfj I can see how that takes adjustment 😭
quiet plaza
ive admittedly been like, actively debating whether i want to volunteer for QA testing... honestly the main thing for me (beyond like, backstory stuff that makes me a bit wary) is that i like doing playthroughs on live rn bc it means i get to post about them in here
oh also- cardiology the audino, at long last :]
. very briefly moved her into indeedee's team spot before remembering that she only evolves after zence... indeedee gets a little more time in the spotlight
spare pollen
Audio/sensibelle seems so cool to me … I love the whole amnesia stab ward press combo on Diancie ahdjfj
quiet plaza
im so excited for regenerator+caretaker combo.... on two mons, even, with wild card krookodile
spare pollen
regenerator core seems very nice to have ..
quiet plaza
regenerator swagful....
<3 indeedee picked up her first assist-move kill... total rng but im still proud of her
quiet plaza
god i love saurenaid so much. its so bulky and it hits so hard when it has to, and it can click frost spikes
and its literally cute. also
digital plaza
<:sifUm:1215594563771834389> ive admittedly been like, actively debating whether...
we do have a playthrough forum so we can liveblog our QA runs similarly to what you're doing here but it comes with the obvious downside of only being available to QA people
spare pollen
what moveset are you using on saurenaid ..
quiet plaza
okay. time to start thinking about zence
togedemaru in one slot feels extremely potent against makyangrowth
the other slot is likely - agi herb on some ice-type attacker to deal with jumpluff t1, then a sweeper to click moves on the rest of bence’s team
alternatively, i can go all-in on the doubles strats available to me (sound moves, resonant seismitoad etc) to just attempt to out-DPS everything. the issue is that hyper voice is kinda ass against >50% of the mons bc rock type, so probably itd have to be a resonant seismitoad sweep - i Do have instruct + telepathy oranguru as a potentially really strong doubles partner
yeah now that i think abt it seismitoad is sounding extremely fun <- girl who has remembered it gets to click surf, also
probably the play is - i still need a t1 jumpluff answer, and after that i find a line to rotate seismitoad + oranguru in and sweep
. fuck unrelatedly i just realized i can name lugia Mythology. okay maybe mythology the lugia gets to join the team at some point <- girl whos inordinately compelled by good nickname ideas
yeah i think my big question atp is whether i need oranguru or if this is a #feminism moment
bc like
#feminism does answer one of the big lingering questions here, which is how to make seismitoad outspeed
its immune to EQ, resists surf + has big spdef, and can protect through sludge wave - so its not airtight like oranguru but its still a viable doubles partner
oh right and it can click tailwind. yeah #feminism is the play here (many such cases)
caremonic mons are seismitoad, saurenaid, and… indeedee? i guess??
like mb a strike vest def-tank indeedee that can switch in and gamble on clicking a free spread move, idk
i have a harmonic slot and a wildcard slot - saurenaid can plausibly be a t1 jumpluff answer with arctic ariette, but i can also pick a fast harmonic ice-coverage mon to fit the bill there. and wildcard can be pretty much whatever (hell i could even toss oranguru in for more support options)
“optimal” wildcard is almost definitely like, empoleon, but this is a dualtribe run so seismitoad should be the star of the show
oh also stealth rocks would be nice here if possible, to soften up - specifically staraptor i think is the thing that seismitoad is just gonna have to hit neutrally for big numbers
seismitoad is probably just lorbed? although shell bell is good recovery if i decide its fine for it to take some hits
quiet plaza
okay, jynx is harmonic + ice type + can be agi herbed to comfortably outspeed jumpluff + has fascinate to cut makyangrowth's DPS in advance of setup turns
quiet plaza
okay, jynx is harmonic + ice type + can be agi herbed to comfortably outspeed ju...
</3 forgot that the really important part is that the agi herb mon has to Not be ice type so the ai doesnt see the ohko coming
also 1 Second the mantine hard counters seismitoad, so my wildcard has to be dedicated to getting rid of that first
. wait nevermind saurenaid gets discharge / tbolt. okay here we go
HELP i totally forgot oranguru doesnt get instruct until 45 cap......
telepathy still makes it a solid support mon, ill slot it in and see how it goes
digital plaza
you do get one figment to fix that sort of thing pre-rock climb, though I don't know if that's actually worth lol
quiet plaza
yeah i briefly considered figment and then went like. i feel like thats the least satisfying use of figment possible </3 signature move 4 levels early... for zence of all major fights...
picking up a primarina for the harmonic slot bc it seems, like. decent in this fight?? and also its fun to like, use the on-tribe starters at some point
digital plaza
basically any bulky water or bulky steel seems to do well into this fight and primarina shouldn't be an exception
I've gotten a Milotic and Saurenaid tag-team to do the fight themselves before lol
quiet plaza
a three-way speed tie... nature is beautiful... (aka before i make another attempt its time to put exactly 1/2 style points into saurenaid's speed asjfkdsjdlkjflkj)
digital plaza
yes indeed
I think I said it before but my opening process for hard battles is literally just like, write down every Pokemon's speed stat so I can figure out what numbers I need to speed creep
and then very occasionally I remember that my pokemon may need to speed creep each other
quiet plaza
i think saurenaid needs to hold electric gem here tbh, i need this mantine in the ground asap
digital plaza
reasonable yeah
oh right, that's how I did this
the other thing I did was like (in the milotic/saurenaid line) life dew on both so they could heal, then cryo sleep the mantine repeatedly
however, I am not actually sure that is a good strategy
it took a lot of finagling to make it actually work lmao
digital plaza
I should see if I can dig that footage up back when I get back to my desktop
digital plaza
(also sleep strats are fun....)
not quite sure how much I like sleep as a general thing lol but cryo sleep in particular always feels great when I pull it off
probably the exhaustion turn makes it feel more fair to my brain or something
quiet plaza
oooo nodsnods.....
sleep seems obscenely hard to balance tbh, i had a good time with butterfree sedating dust in my mystic/animated run though
digital plaza
("how much I like sleep" as like, a fairness thing to the computer, to be clear. it is clearly very good)
digital plaza
sleep seems obscenely hard to balance tbh, i had a good time with butterfree sed...
girl you have no idea how hard I had to work to try to balance dark void
it kept being not balance-able
we kept coming up with ideas in dev and then I kept finding ways to break them anyway
quiet plaza
omg.... dark void is so. funny. and fucked up
digital plaza
it is very fucked up
quiet plaza
the way the move's mission statement is literally "some kind of spread sleep move" and thats such a Concept /evil
digital plaza
especially because it is also on the free moonglow pokemon
digital plaza
the way the move's mission statement is literally "some kind of spread sleep mov...
literally like
the ONLY way we could balance it was by making it kill your partner so it makes battles (almost) unperfectable
making it -6 prio did not work.
making it drowsy both partners did not work.
making it do both at the same time did not work.
(though tbf the first was actually ribombee's fault)
quiet plaza
(ribombee power.....)
quiet plaza
omg
quiet plaza
the ONLY way we could balance it was by making it kill your partner so it makes ...
1000more years of meganium.... unlimited meganium power.....
quiet plaza
stunfisk...
digital plaza
one of these is easier to justify on a team than the other lol
quiet plaza
lmao i forgot to change oranguru's ability
digital plaza
moood girl
so many times I have done that
so many times in testing I thought I found a bug when it was me. i was the bug
quiet plaza
HELP SAME..... literally prepping for this fight i was like "why isnt stealth rock showing up in seismitoad's mentor list. is the online dex outdated"
and then i checked and i just, didnt have anything that could mentor stealth rock somehow
digital plaza
god mood
i am immune to that for only one reason and that reason is fixed encounters only lol
you do ONE run with sharply limited encounters and you immediately internalize that your box is the problem every.single.time
wanton notch
i happen to have a lot of move earliest learners just embedded in my brain
like parting shot is the monkeys
digital plaza
also that
one of the side effects of doing dev is that you end up with random shit that we talked about embedded deeply into your consciousness
wanton notch
also it helps that i placed a bunch of those first learners for moves on dev lol
digital plaza
we spend a considerable amount of time on move distributions and stuff just as, like, a byproduct of other stuff
wanton notch
oh i think i have a nearly maximally spoilerous team showcase
wanton notch
tempted to just send it lmao it has the demon and gumball
digital plaza
the redacted team
wanton notch
does not have mommy because moonglow
digital plaza
wait what is the demon . . .
wanton notch
the fully evolved at lv25 pokemon
wanton notch
he has broken containment
wanton notch
and honestly he is kinda good i cannot lie
digital plaza
will have to see lol
wanton notch
get ur thread hijacked lol
digital plaza
idk all I know is I was routing out fixed encounters only (I have mapped out a considerable amount of FEO 3.0) and i realized that his most obvious notable trait was that he could be traded for [redacted] and [redacted]
wanton notch
brutal
digital plaza
that may just be a fixed encounters only thing though
the current encounter distribution did a few very funny knock-on effects
||we accidentally killed cinccino||
digital plaza
yes it was in fact
wanton notch
oh there are no poison fixed encounters am i right
digital plaza
there are three! if you want to do that
except (a) they're grass token/origin ore/dragon egg, which are very valuable for other reasons (b) poison is Actually Good now
spare pollen
hearing about the new pokemon is so foreboding
the demon. gumball. and now apparently mommy ?
sudden roost
good ol mommy
wanton notch
the demon is not actually new
digital plaza
everyone forgot about the demon
wanton notch
just out on probation from hell
digital plaza
but the demon was always there
digital plaza
that one was also consigned to hell but that was very unfair because she's never done anything wrong in her life
<- unbiased
spare pollen
what does this mean ...
digital plaza
we beat the 7.8/10 too much water allegations
wanton notch
no we had to add a lot of water actually
wanton notch
what does this mean ...
we are making every 2+ stage pokemon either available pre surf or relevant in the 41-50 split
digital plaza
(we hope anyway)
spare pollen
we are making every 2+ stage pokemon either available pre surf or relevant in th...
ohh cool!!! that's exciting 👀
digital plaza
see why we keep talking about needign to do QA stuff lol
wanton notch
so chinchou is now available in redacted alongside redacted and redacted and redacted and redacted
digital plaza
we're reworking substantially more pokemon than in previous updates to make sure everything truly is relevant
(re: the relevant in the 41-50 split part)
digital plaza
me, unsure whether pos means /positive or /piece of shit XD
quiet plaza
HELPHELP positive...... its positive........
anyways i think that was the most fun ive had with zence. not coincidentally also the first time ive done zence with a strategy other than the overwhelmingly [i think prevalent is the wrong word bc idk if its Done a Lot. optimal? meta??] one. zoe's team actually got to do things and it was awqsome
seismitoad did Not do like 25% of what i was expecting it to do actually, it turns out that nessology having better stats just made her Better at clicking spread moves while not dying (that, and bence had a lot more answers for seismology than i expected)
theres like one really stupid misplay late into this clear that i was kicking myself over, but #feminism survived it at like 1 HP so i didnt have to do yet another attempt. everyone say thank you #feminism
. oh right zain fight happens now
digital plaza
anyways i think that was the most fun ive had with zence. not coincidentally als...
hm yes interesting. I would not dare to click spread moves in a multi battle usually lol
(then again this is because reducing something to a 2v1 is just easier I find)
digital plaza
even before I invented the 'just follow me on a steel type 5head' strategy I was basically doing a conga line of assholes on the right while Empoleon aggroed down the left
digital plaza
when spread move then hit both?
but then you have to deal with that fucking gliscor with another pokemon on the field
wanton notch
i should bring "Palkia" to the zence fight they'll never know what hit em
digital plaza
ah, my favorite tool for the bence and zoe fight, the [redacted]
quiet plaza
when spread move then hit both?
switching my own mons into my own hypereffective spread moves... to maximize the amount of big number......
wanton notch
its so peak…
digital plaza
switching in your own plasma globe togedemaru to give you even more big number
quiet plaza
omg true&wise...!
wanton notch
actually that would be interesting to see the most damage you could do within a single move to all pokemon on the field
cause the current damage record is uh,, 10M? but could a spread move and recoil and such do move
quiet plaza
chroma clarion into three of the same pokemon with a hyper-weakness (togedemaru?)... spread move user in the middle, echolocate debuffer at some point to minimize all enemies' defensive stats... need some way to debuff your own hyper-weak mons on left/right also when you switch them in, ideally
togedemaru gets helping hand so you can have two plasma globe togedemaru on either side of your [probably not a seismitoad bc it doesnt get setup moves] clicking helping hand on an ultra-maximized EQ
wanton notch
you can't Clarion for three
quiet plaza
ohhh ic... <- girl whos never clarioned before
wanton notch
only for two, due to the deduping routine tectonic has
you can never encounter the same guy twice in a row
quiet plaza
i think i got confused bc of the chroma clarion unown plunder thing, which is the only context ive heard ppl talk about like. the concrete encounters produced by clarion in
wanton notch
oh right I guess you can Clarion for three there
digital plaza
you joined the server after the curselocke race was over lol, which is when we discovered most of this organically
quiet plaza
ooooo nodsnodsnods
wanton notch
Clarion is a nuzlocke dream
digital plaza
clarion is new to 3.3 and I was the first person to be like no, I can beat Xerneas. bet.
and it turns out that that greatly warps how you approach the thing
I say first person as if it's a great accomplishment; there were like three of us that ever got to the point of post-surf in 3.3 lol
sudden roost
Its so goated.
quiet plaza
omg... your coolful power...
sudden roost
I say first person as if it's a great accomplishment; there were like three of u...
was it 3? Lily, you and I
wanton notch
bella is extremely coolful
digital plaza
was it 3? Lily, you and I
yeah
sudden roost
I swear there was a 4th but can't place it.
digital plaza
Seafoam was doing stuff but didn't ever get to post-surf
sudden roost
right right
wanton notch
there was that one person who claimed they beat it deathless six months ago
quiet plaza
the evidenceless claimer......
sudden roost
there was that one person who claimed they beat it deathless six months ago
wait what
Was there anything to uh, back that claim
digital plaza
if there was then the bounty would have been claimed then I imagine
quiet plaza
the evidenceless claimer scuttles off into the night, defeated......
wanton notch
#❗-spoiler-general message
the wild thing is that they might have actually been that good but they didn't record anything and their teams seemed good but not absurd so like
🧢
digital plaza
yeah, really hard to tell lol
but there's a reason there's more stringent requirements on the bounties lol
wanton notch
also if memory serves they only started losing mons after everyone in the server was like "cmon bro this is obvious cap" for long enough that they started to change their tune
quiet plaza
asjdlkfjDS HELP
[visibly sweating] damn... so sad i lost a mon... its so fucked up... damn......
imagine being on the team of the evidenceless claimer and they come home from a long, hard day of posting unsubstantiated "zero deaths yet" party showcase screenshots and give you The Look. and go sorry youre going in the graveyard box. this must be done, to prove my sincerity, /silly
digital plaza
😭
I mean it's certainly possible to not lose that many mons but it's hard. especially when this was pre-3.3 when random crits were still a thing
quiet plaza
omg tectonic with random crits..... yeah thats kind of dire
oh skill link toucannon with strike vest is like. Really Good
digital plaza
oh skill link toucannon
with strike vest islike. Really Good
ftfy :P
quiet plaza
asjdkfljDL HELP yeah basically
digital plaza
oh skill link
toucannon with strike vestis like. Really Good
or like. that.
quiet plaza
genuinely like. i mean skill link is good against zain's curse in particular, but the way that bird swept half his team just by clicking moves
WAIT I NEARLY FORGOT TO RECORD
.
. I GET TO OBLITERATE ZAIN AGAIN,
round two......
digital plaza
yeeeep skill link is just Like That
cinccino ended up on my radar for a reason lmao
quiet plaza
oh right i forgot this doesnt like, give you an auto-snapshot at the end of it. still glad i got a video
digital plaza
hm it should I think? thought that was included with a hotfix
quiet plaza
oh shit i might not have applied hotfixes <- girl who didnt realize that was a thing until just now
digital plaza
they probably should be included with the main download link by now but not sure
quiet plaza
. are hotfixes like. safe for saves should i be concerned
digital plaza
yeah!
quiet plaza
okay pog
digital plaza
at this point in our development process the only thing that should be affected is like. flags on quest completion. which doesn't actually matter
quiet plaza
i have all my tectonic saves backed up in an exterior folder also (i treasure this game sm oh my god) but i wanted to like, make sure before doing anything. ig ill unzip the patch into data then and. things probably wont obviously change but like, itll be nice to have it hotfixed
spare pollen
there was that one person who claimed they beat it deathless six months ago
ive perfected the trainers ive fought so basically thats the same as a deathless nuzlocke ... 💯
quiet plaza
omg true….. dia deathless nuzlocke worldrecord holder……
also hiiiii dia i blew up zain badly. with my awqsome bird and also the power of cardiology
sacred gale
Makyan gardevoir … steel fairy knight …
Also this is the best thing ever. Yeah it's kinda a different flavor of iron valiant but iron valiant is the sickest shit ever made.
spare pollen
also hiiiii dia i blew up zain badly. with my awqsome bird and also the power of...
hell yea!!!!
cardiology sweep ... bird sweep
spare pollen
Also this is the best thing ever. Yeah it's kinda a different flavor of iron val...
all my ideas are always the best thing ever its very true, countless people are saying this ....
warm venture
also hiiiii dia i blew up zain badly. with my awqsome bird and also the power of...
Do No Harm, SnapCube (2025)
sacred gale
oh right i forgot this doesnt like, give you an auto-snapshot at the end of it. ...
Nifty clear! Sensibelle seems really powerful once it's signiture move gets rolling.
quiet plaza
Are you still togedemaruing?
yeah i think togedemaru is officially a team mainstay, especially bc a lot of the mons i want to use are poison-weak
sacred gale
Togedemaru sweep...
quiet plaza
noel down
my awqsome team.... nearly unchanged from the zain fight (a mix of this being a good generalist team and noel being relatively feasible to beat with a good generalist team. and also, like, caretaker's extra-value switching really makes noel's curse a non-issue)
yez 4 plan..... as always, half the difficulty is figuring out what to send into asha. rocky helmet cardiology maybe works?
quiet plaza
cardiology and nessology together mean i have reasonable regirock answers
i really want a ghost type for this fight, and i'm not sure mimikyu is the way to go - might examine my wildcard options. then again i could just try this team out first and see what happens
quiet plaza
that sounds like a good pick yeah i think im gonna see how my team as-is stacks up against the fight first, though
ah i always forget about the avatar of spiritomb
warm venture
do you think there's any thematic relevance to spiritomb blocking the path to yez and also being tamarind's lead
(more likely it's just because it's a graveyard lol but liiiike idk)
quiet plaza
OH TRUE......
quiet plaza
do you think there's any thematic relevance to spiritomb blocking the path to ye...
the primeval heal order second phase does feel very tamarind, tbh (like, tamarind likes giving orders, vespiquen is a pokemon that gives orders)
warm venture
ooh true
it's insteresting because obviously it's not like tamarind is consciously shielding yez, she's there to stop her
but we know tamarind has been "looking out" for her given yez3
quiet plaza
yeah
given that the avatar's there before yez breaks into the catacombs (iirc?), theres also the auxiliary analysis of "this does probably represent tamarind regardless, if only in the 'tamarind being attached to regidrago' sense"
warm venture
OH YEAH
good point
at the start of the game she's literally like "i should call her"
quiet plaza
</3 this would be so much easier with regidrago.... <- statements that are true about a wide variety of things, probably
warm venture
me making a phone call
quiet plaza
me figuring out what to eat
incidentally, before i start making attempts at this fight i should probably figure out what to eat
quiet plaza
ah… dire…
sudden roost
What's a burger
quiet plaza
that does sound like it would be easier with regidrago tbh. from my own experience with bleak meals with family at least
emotional support regi
wanton notch
sadly dragon's blood does not reduce poison damage from food poisoning
sacred gale
my awqsome team.... nearly unchanged from the zain fight (a mix of this being a ...
Good fight! The defensive core of sensibelle, blissey, and togedemaru did so much work, was really nice to watch.
Wasn't expecting toucannon to outspeed and obliterate darmanitan, that was nuts.
quiet plaza
:3
quiet plaza
Wasn't expecting toucannon to outspeed and obliterate darmanitan, that was nuts.
toucannon speed! toucannon power!!
quiet plaza
Good fight! The defensive core of sensibelle, blissey, and togedemaru did so muc...
sensibelle feels so good to use its insane
quiet plaza
the peaceful zen garmanitan is not worried about being outsped…
sacred gale
The speedy and hyper effective rock blast:
quiet plaza
🪨 🪨 🪨 🪨 🪨
quiet plaza
skill link
actually using a skill link mon is such a different feeling from only knowing secondhand/having heard that skill link is busted strong
spare pollen
i still have never tried a skill link mon i want to
spare pollen
the primeval heal order second phase does feel very tamarind, tbh (like, tamarin...
val watching combee get ordered around by a spiritomb: sigh wish that were me
forgive me ;alkdshgcj
val slander 😔
quiet plaza
i still have never tried a skill link mon i want to
toucannon is rlly fun bc its bisexual so it just, runs four coverage moves and hits most things supereffectively and/or in their weaker defensive stat
and also toucannon has felt at least “fairer” to use for me bc it gets outsped by a meaningful amount of mons [nervous glance at cinccino’s base 115 speed]
sour birch
nervous glance at cinccino's access to every special multihit move in the game
quiet plaza
every single one… holy shit <- girl who did not know this
sour birch
ambipom has the same atk and spe except physical and doesn't get this treatment
bias 😔
spare pollen
cinccino is cute 🥺
sour birch
true...
its cute when cinccino solos every random trainer for twnety trainers in a row
sacred gale
Your honor she's literally a sweetheart.
spare pollen
literally!!
also envy this clear looks so satisfying you keep choosing such cool tribe combos ...
animated/mystic and caretaker/harmonic have both looked so fun to use together
quiet plaza
theyre sooo fun i rlly like them :3
caremonic in particular has rlly hit its stride after getting blissey + sensibelle at 45- wait omg right i also have hymnus now, since im at 50……
digital plaza
nervous glance at cinccino's access to every special multihit move in the game
and also rock blast (rock blast is relevant because Samorn has a volcarona)
quiet plaza
the emptyful list… ambipom anguish…..
sour birch
ambipom gets u turn though so who's really winning (cinccino)
spare pollen
we need to give ambipom every possible phys 5 hit move ..
sacred gale
Wait I'm blanking. Is there even a physical normal multihit?
spare pollen
multi strike
sacred gale
I assume fury swipes or something?
spare pollen
and fury swipes yeah
sacred gale
multi strike
75 BP.
digital plaza
ambipom gets u turn though so who's really winning (cinccino)
indeed, ambipom is winning. because Cinccino's stupid crazy moveset definitely doesn't include u-turn
spare pollen
damn i really want to use cinccino before its nerfed lmao
sacred gale
If she gets nerfed you all hate women I'm sorry.
sour birch
indeed, ambipom is winning. because Cinccino's stupid crazy moveset *definitely*...
you know what I should've expected that
tho in like every case where I wanted to use u turn ambipom the attack stat was relevant
wanton notch
you have exactly one version
~~and then it's still pretty good tbh we are gonna have to come down way harder on this stupid woman creature ~~
sour birch
and she actually doesn't get volt switch or psyche switch
sacred gale
Give dream dance to Cincinno.
quiet plaza
omg
sacred gale
Give her Germany.
sour birch
ngl cinccino is only like the 4th most disturbing skill linker to me
sacred gale
Geomancy.
quiet plaza
germany….. german cinccino……
spare pollen
ngl cinccino is only like the 4th most disturbing skill linker to me
who are the first three??
sacred gale
Lumineon is so fucked up I'm glad I wasn't imagining it.
quiet plaza
toucannon not on the list…. delight&joy
sour birch
give her quiver dance
lumineon is like if this wasn't a joke
spare pollen
lumineon does get quiver dance
sacred gale
Yeah exactly.
quiet plaza
holy shit
spare pollen
omg its harmonic too
quiet plaza
omg……
spare pollen
envy time to test it
quiet plaza
HELP. MAYBE
sacred gale
Honestly one of the most disgusting pokemon I've tried, I shoulda kept with it.
sacred gale
Dia look at canon mega heracross.
quiet plaza
i didnt even know atlacross got skill link…. thats so fucked up
sacred gale
185 attack.
quiet plaza
sacred gale
185 base attack skill link ????
Thoughts on that?
spare pollen
rampardos ..
digital plaza
also having to be your Only Mega is a bit of an issue lol
sacred gale
In Gen 6 mega heracross is OU by technicality (which means it's bad but the tier is frozen and it was there when it froze) and in Gen 7 it's UUBL (which means it's not good enough for OU but too much for UU).
digital plaza
though even Cinccino and atlacross and etc don't easily solo bosses most of the time in this game tbh; they're more useful for random trainers and mid-bosses in my experience. (though you could probably push that with setup, but fuck setup)
digital plaza
though a lot of that is because of the curses probably
sacred gale
though even Cinccino and atlacross and etc don't easily solo bosses most of the ...
Yeah and honestly I feel like it's fine to have pokemon that just excel against normal trainers?
Or it's at least nifty.
spare pollen
sometimes its just nice having a mon thats very good at clicking super effective ..
quiet plaza
thats been my experience with toucannon at least, yeah (given that it isnt like, the scariest skill link mon)
digital plaza
Yeah, I mean a normal "this Pokemon is good at sweeping fights with the right coverage" is totally fine. Like no one is looking at Durant as a problem lol
sacred gale
Give us canon Durant and that'll change...
quiet plaza
i Hate durant!!!!! [this post paid for by the coalition of concerned heatmor]
sacred gale
Truant entrainment the destroyer of AI...
spare pollen
what was canon durant like ...
sacred gale
i Hate durant!!!!! [this post paid for by the coalition of concerned heatmor]
The HOA (heatmor oligarchy association).
quiet plaza
TRUE
sacred gale
what was canon durant like ...
I'm mostly joking, it's cooler in tectonic. But it's really good at breaking the ai with truant entrainment in the battle facilities.
digital plaza
Durant and Heatmor are funnily enough super useful Nuzlocke buddies
not like as a team just like they're both situationally both available for the locke and very good lol
sour birch
they also have a nice team niche... flash fire and 4x fire weak...
sacred gale
And also they're best friends...
digital plaza
Durant rips through lots of stuff because bug/ground/dark/rock on a wide lens hustle Pokemon is very good, Heatmor is situationally great against fire types because firefighter + scorching sands and also is super relevant because it gives strength sap to polteageist for anti-yez IV shenanigans, and they both are really good against Victoire lol
(though "good against Victoire" is not, like, a ringing endorsement lmao)
sacred gale
Heatmor is heatran light and heatran is the best Pokemon ever made.
sour birch
what even is heatmors movepool
I feel like every time I want a move at an early level the game says
digital plaza
crimson storm fragmentation scorching sands giga drain
sour birch
you can't have that but you could if you had a heatmor
digital plaza
real
and it's a trade! for one of your fifteen million Dark-type fixed encounters!
(<--- girl who did fixed encounters only)
sacred gale
Goodbye you fucking zigzagoon...
digital plaza
nah Obstagoon is good
and a fuckin rat is right there
fun fact: Obstagoon was on my original fixed encounters only tournament team
sacred gale
Oh I forgot the fixed rat. I should get it.
sour birch
trade it for a heatmor
digital plaza
it's discount Delcatty that's also dark type and has frustrate and it's such good speed control
warm venture
obstagoon rocks
pun half-intended
(said it accidentally but realised it before sending and stuck with it)
sacred gale
Fur coat with parting shot, slack off, royal tribute, and some fuckery.
Carries my team on its back.
sour birch
a persian is friend
one of the few mons actually used in my speedrun route
though i didn't grab it until steelix
(i will never remember to call it titanix since everyone in game calls it steelix)
digital plaza
Fur coat with parting shot, slack off, royal tribute, and some fuckery.
it's just like such a good wall
plant doubt into slack off on a fur coat mon is low key really strong lol
sacred gale
It's actually disgusting.
It put in so much work against Noel for me.
Also in doubles you can have fake out and snarl support.
digital plaza
yeepp
sacred gale
God I can't wait for my finals to be done so I can return to my curselocke and at long last get obliterated by catacombs Yezera.
quiet plaza
omg... we're both at catacombs yez.....
sacred gale
Well actually I gotta do xern first and comb the map for clarion encounters.
quiet plaza
oooo nodsnods
sacred gale
Probably gonna try to cheese xern with seviper vipershock?
quiet plaza
oh wow vipershock is. crazy <- girl who hadnt seen it before somehow
digital plaza
xerneas is just. like. poison core into venom drench mostly stops it in my experience
phase II is a little scary for that but not that scary
and you have toxapex available fixed so that helps a lot lol
quiet plaza
toxapex :] the friend
sacred gale
I've gotten exactly 1 fighting type lol.
Thank you tyrogue.
Should just bite the bullet and trade for nezel.
sour birch
xerneas mysteriously disappeared when my reuniclus used sludge wave (and i was at +12 spa and it was at -12 spdef and also dizzy)
quiet plaza
reuniclus beloved
sacred gale
Oh, how does avatar damage past the current HP bar work? It gets lowered to 25% of the damage, right?
sour birch
Oh, how does avatar damage past the current HP bar work? It gets lowered to 25%...
yes
just deal like 24x max normal mon hp to a legendary avatar 👍
sour birch
it's pretty feasible with a lot of things if you put the enemy to -12 and the ally to +12 and then use helping hand
the main difficulty of vipershock would be not accidentally setting it to phase 2 with poison damage
sacred gale
True true.
%max hp effects deal 1/4th to avatars too?
Or is it half, I'm blanking. I know it's reduced.
sour birch
you can also just poison last it's not that big a deal
sacred gale
If I don't do this avatar "optimally" and poison it down to just above the next health bar, I'll die.
Oh whoops sorry for hijacking the channel envy.
Although seviper has envy as an ability so this counts as on topic actually.
quiet plaza
TRUE
also ive been enjoying reading the convo in the background as i do misc pre-yez 4 stuff :3
sacred gale
Making a team where I use drown on seviper.
spare pollen
i think i will play some tectonic ... i should finish candys quest ..
quiet plaza
omgomg candys quest ending is soooo fun
wanton notch
i think i will play some tectonic ... i should finish candys quest ..
do what i do and just yap about it lmao
although i did just get a massive update merged today
quiet plaza
So aroful...
so aroful...! i think its a little funny that like. in order to get the aro dialogue you need to pick the "goodbye kiss" option... rewarded for loving women (as it should be)
. [entirely unrelated] just volt switched blissey directly into the path of yveltal avatar's drain punch farewell, blissey.....
spare pollen
farewell blissey ...
sacred gale
Egg.
quiet plaza
ohhh right zoe's avatar is the fucking dogs......
warm venture
The fucking boggeys
Have I inflicted that Tumblr post upon you yet
I always associated it with the dog avatar for some reason
quiet plaza
omg? not yet but i think i might know which one u mean
warm venture
I'm about to be called away so I might not find it until later but
quiet plaza
ohhh youre being called away... cheering u on...!!
warm venture
Ok nvm audio attached
https://www.tpmblr.com/noxiatoxia/682186268033040384/skeletalheartattack-oh-𝔽𝕌ℂ𝕂-you-didnt-tell?source=share&dark
warm venture
ohhh youre being called away... cheering u on...!!
It's for laser so it's goodful
quiet plaza
asdfjlkDFJSL HELP YEAH- omg win!!! awawawa
quiet plaza
Ok nvm audio attached
https://www.tpmblr.com/noxiatoxia/682186268033040384/skele...
such a good fucking post. a little Fucking doeggy....
god okay yeah i really. i see it. i see the vision
val walking into that damn legendary avatar room and then turning around and immediately walking back out
we only have Nonlegendary dogs on Casaba island... come to think of it is the island named casaba, or is that just the town
its funny to use a pokemon thats like, good in tectonic in basically the same way its good in canon. mimikyu fun
spare pollen
trying to perfect tamarind is torture i have to redo her whole speech each time lkjsdghk
quiet plaza
</3 yeah......
quiet plaza
oooh true...
tamarind is an interesting fight bc theres so many random moving pieces to it that can theoretically be exploited, but are kind of hard to exploit... the odd room, the random celesteela switch-ins. and also the monologue
spare pollen
im using the heart of justice switch in trick i learned from you ..
quiet plaza
WAH im honored.... heart of justice power...!!
sacred gale
tamarind is an interesting fight bc theres so many random moving pieces to it th...
Celesteela is so good <3
One of the coolest new abilities in the game.
quiet plaza
celesteela so swagful.... moth i need u to know your last gasp shedinja/celesteela team haunts me to this day. ill be idly going about my business and then i remember that thats possible and a shiver runs down my spine
sacred gale
I let out a deranged cackle when I realized it actually works.
It's such a cool team I'm incredibly proud of it. Also horrifying and an abomination against arceus.
I'm honored to haunt you <3
quiet plaza
it's so so cool and i can't imagine anyone else being powerful enough to wield it. your fell and awqsome power :]
. idk if thats the correct way to word that sentiment but like. who give a shit
sacred gale
It's like a cursed blade... it corrupts all who wield it except the most pure-hearted.
spare pollen
I let out a deranged cackle when I realized it actually works.
that team was so cool moth jlskdgh such an awesome discovery
girl ...
quiet plaza
It's like a cursed blade... it corrupts all who wield it except the most pure-he...
the fact that you were able to set down the blade proves you are a worthy wielder.....
quiet plaza
asdjlfkDJKLFJS HELPPPP
quiet plaza
no thank u please continue blogging your game here
sacred gale
val clenching her teeth: im so happy for you
Dia you need to remember, Val isn't your self insert.
spare pollen
😔
im not projecting wtf ...
you really think i would do that? go on the internet and give a character mommy issues?
spare pollen
😔 wow.... unbelievable ...
quiet plaza
i would never have mommy issues because i would never have issues with women. #feminism <- me when i lie. me when im not telling the truth
sacred gale
Thank you for being so honest and forthcoming Envy that- hey wait I'm sending some falsehoods...
quiet plaza
what do u mean… i would never lie to u moth… bc i would never lie to women #feminism <- me when i lie. me when i deceive you
mimikyu being a bad influence on me i fear. this isnt even my deceiver run yet i cant-
.
okay when i do the deceiver run im absolutely just naming every pokemon a different pokemon’s name
sacred gale
tamarind is an interesting fight bc theres so many random moving pieces to it th...
Anyway I think a cool part of tamarind's fight is that Celesteela loses its main downside. When you use it you have to deal with the fact that it chooses its own move, not you. But when tamarind does it then like, the ai is already choosing the moves, so there's no change.
quiet plaza
omg true……..
spare pollen
facing tamarind made me want to move up odd room on my agenda so now im thinking about that ..
quiet plaza
moth deletes her message so it looks like i just went “omg true…….” to me hating women <- fell timeline ive foreseen
quiet plaza
facing tamarind made me want to move up odd room on my agenda so now im thinking...
all the rooms are so coolful……
sacred gale
I'm so tempted I love framing people.
spare pollen
would radiant/scrapper tribes end up increasing attacks by 30% in odd room ...?
or does it apply after the switch like alakazam's doubling and assault vest's bonus do ...
sacred gale
Fuck around and find out.
quiet plaza
your awqsome experiments……
spare pollen
i need to compile a list of promising odd room pokemon
wait someone did that already i think
okay i have to research
spare pollen
moth how are you always so wise
quiet plaza
probopass awqsome spatk sweeper…. rock polish probopass unlimited damage……
sacred gale
Does odd room swap boosted stats?
Like if you iron defense does that become a swords dance technically?
spare pollen
i dont think so no
sour birch
it does not this is correct
sacred gale
Pain and agony.
spare pollen
it like seems to swap the core stat and then all the various steps and multipliers get added on top
sacred gale
Was gonna suggest armaldo but I shan't.
Ho-oh would have 153 spA. I know ho-oh really struggles to succeed.
sour birch
i'm glad you're so dedicating to sharing your power with struggling mons like ho-oh
quiet plaza
ohh cool…..
spare pollen
i do also think salamence would work well in odd room if it's used like envy did, as bulky eclipse setter/phys tank
im considering combining eclipse with odd room but idk if thats excessive ...
sacred gale
You can't just toss eclipse into every single team Dia.
quiet plaza
you can toss eclipse into every single team dia !!!!
spare pollen
originally i was trying to combine eclipse + odd room to get alakazam gaming but that combo doesnt work 😔
quiet plaza
i do also think salamence would work well in odd room if it's used like envy did...
wait omg thats so true also
sacred gale
You can't just toss eclipse into every single team Dia.
.
spare pollen
it swaps the raw stats and then sp def gets doubled 😔
instead of doubling sp def then swapping
so now without that im not as eager for odd room eclipse
quiet plaza
nodsnodsnods
sacred gale
You could do eclipse room Stakataka and not know what the fuck is going on.
spare pollen
so true !!!
quiet plaza
HELPP
spare pollen
stakataka with every room
sacred gale
What are your stats? Who fucking knows!
quiet plaza
if you cant understand your own pokemon’s stats then theres no way the ai will be capable of it
spare pollen
my 1000 step plan to confuse the AI being cut rudely short when it just attacks me and KOs me
sacred gale
Anyway, odd room blacephalon is probably the better ultra beast.
Or take pheromosa and make her bulky to set up QD with, then when the room runs out kill everyone.
quiet plaza
the tamarind classic….. learning from tamarind by also running celesteela, so it can helpfully switch in and nullify your setup every so often
sacred gale
the tamarind classic….. learning from tamarind by also running celesteela, so it...
Wow that's genius!
digital plaza
Ho-oh would have 153 spA. I know ho-oh really struggles to succeed.
so true. ho-oh will be buffed next update
quiet plaza
celesteela so helpful :] celesteela perfect companion for setup sweeper celesteela so polite&cute
sacred gale
Celesteela switches in because she's so happy and excited to see you.
And she hugs you and you die and then she explodes the opposition.
quiet plaza
shes so awqsome…….
spare pollen
omg ...
quiet plaza
I think instead of odd room you should use odd bloom
posts that make me check the online dex and discover theres zero abilities starting with the letter O on live
digital plaza
huh
wanton notch
weird
wanton notch
I should fix that
quiet plaza
wait nevermind i think its just weirdly alphabetized?? maybe?
digital plaza
I thought there was one on live
quiet plaza
yeah i might be mistaken
digital plaza
yeah overthinking
also apparently overwhelming heart
oxygenation
a lot of them
lol
quiet plaza
yeah
digital plaza
there are no canon abilities in tectonic with o in the name
quiet plaza
and im on mobile so i didnt scroll down very far- OHHHHH
digital plaza
the list goes alphabetized canon abilities -> alphabetized new abilities
quiet plaza
okayokay pog. im glad im not quite as much of a fool
sacred gale
Add orichalcum pulse to tectonic.
digital plaza
(I'm pretty sure it's like this because abilities.pbs and abilities_new.pbs are separate files and it's easier for the computer to read and render them sequentially)
wanton notch
yeah and for moves it does canon moves in alphabetized order of alphabetized types then new moves in alphabetized order of alphabetized types
quiet plaza
oooo nodsnodsnods
monoletter run..... (only pokemon starting with a single letter, using only moves (and held items?) that start with the same letter)
quiet plaza
yeah i cant imagine many of the runs are even like, theoretically possible
sour birch
only moves......
sacred gale
Just assuming since they're the most common letters often.
sour birch
as compensation you should get alphabet cup rules (debug in all moves of that letter)
digital plaza
it's m because you have meganium and you don't need anyone else
quiet plaza
wait omg true....
digital plaza
(it actually might be m because you get all the makyan formes)
quiet plaza
(ohhhh nodsnods)
sacred gale
Meteor mash metagross legal.
quiet plaza
the problem im noticing is that theres not a lot of m moves - you get metapod and m. sinistea on casaba but both only have mind waves (and m. wurmple doesnt get any moves...)
oh meditite gets mind waves, and also. mach punch but idk if mach punch is casaba-learnable
wanton notch
you should be allowed every single m move through debug, even ones that are illegal for that mon
quiet plaza
thats probably the way to make this run at all feasible, yeah
sacred gale
Mega punch, mach punch, meteor assault, mud shot, meteor beam, megahorn, meteor mash, mystical fire, miasma, mud slide, magnetize, maelstrom, mage hand, misadventure, mist burst, morningstar.
That's most of your usable attacks.
Mud shot is stretching it but some mons use it for coverage maybe possibly.
I think if you just ignore the challenge until you're off the island it'd be fair.