Bella Tries Her Hand at Curselockes | Pokémon Tectonic | Page 3

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:00 AM

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time to steer!

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blastoise down and no rain comes out

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titanix scares out deceat and bronzong comes in, so we swap to tsareena

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bronzong down

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and there it goes

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boom, earth power, dead

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fuck you

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 1:03 AM

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eyyy

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:03 AM

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cherchez comes in and so does leavanny!

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EAT COLD RECEPTION

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it's over. meganium has to finish the job, but we went deathless yet again

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. . . you know, I didn't even have to teach skewer to Leavanny, did I? The Cold Reception boost meant that that 99.12% on X-Scissor (yes, really) was always gonna be 100%

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better safe than sorry though

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anyway that's done with and now we get to beat up an edgelord again

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yeah that was easy; you know how it goes

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we are now in the section of the game where I have to be super in my head about whether the calculator is wrong -_-

iron wolf Aug 29, 2025, 1:37 AM

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wagh sorry

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:39 AM

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oh this isn't a criticism lol

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I'm just so paranoid that I'm literally playing around calculations that I know shouldn't have room to be wrong being wrong

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this is less a statement about the calculator being wrong and more a statement about me being very very scared of having to go back to the beginning or losing an important mon

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me: this scarapace does 52% with mach punch and a. sandslash outspeeds and kills with icicle spear with plenty of room for error. what if I switched out anyway? (this is the third time I have done this against this scarapace)

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okay, bug catcher rangsan proved to be surprisingly easy (granbull super outs dracovish)

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anyway, it's time to think about Samorn. I won't be doing this tonight, but let's put down a plan.

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 1:55 AM

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is Samorn a fraud like Zoe and Bence

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:55 AM

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hell no

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that's specifically bence and zoe

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there's not another gym that I consistently beat to hell and back using basically whatever I want (within reason obviously, but the point is that everything that seems like it could be good is good)

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I don't even think Noel is like that anymore

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so we're iterating on Emmi's line. Here it is, written out.

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turn 1: sylveon uses ward press on flygon; sawk uses iceberg bash on towerpoda. towerpoda swaps to garchomp; flygon goes down. volcarona comes in.

turn 2: sylveon uses dazzling gleam; sawk swaps to ho-oh. garchomp swaps to reavor and volcarona uses heat wave (dawnfall burns sylveon)

turn 3: sylveon protects; ho-oh sacred fires into reavor. two attacks blocked and reavor goes down. towerpoda comes in.

turn 4: swap to eject button scoured sillhouette pteroflyte and brave bird into volcarona. pteroflyte ejects to sawk. volcarona goes down. body press into sawk does almost full. saurenaid comes out.

turn 5: detatchment into towerpoda and swap to mismagius, setting hail. towerpoda goes down, then hyper voice comes out and sawk goes down. linoone comes out on player side; garchomp on samorn's

turn 6: linoone accelerocks into Garchomp, taking it out, and Mismagius Drifts Off.

turn 7: bash and borrow and protect and saurenaid falls asleep

turn 8+: win

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so the thing that I'm noticing is that dazzling gleam doesn't actually do anything. that's a free move that I can use on something else. Looking through Sylveon's movelist, it gets yawn? If I can just put Volcarona to sleep here, then use a slightly different series of multiple eject buttons, I think I get Cinccino in on Turn 3, and then Ho-oh and Cinccino should be able to finish things off

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so these changes would look like:
turn 2: sylveon uses yawn on volc
turn 3: sylveon swaps to Delcatty, then to something with an eject button in back if volc doesn't swap out (I think it stays in), then to cinccino. reavor goes down, towerpoda comes in, volc snoozes
turn 4: pulsar annihilates towerpoda and ho-oh makes sure volc never wakes up
turn 5: we have just garchomp and saurenaid. a stellarate ensures it's garchover and hopefully that's enough chip for ho-oh to KO Maxie with play rough?

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I think Volc can only swap out on turn 4 since Sylveon is off the board, and if it does swap then I get a free hit on Maxie and it's even more over

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Ho-oh also tanks bubble barrage for some reason

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oh right, I need a moon stone before I do anything

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can I durant this

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 2:28 AM

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its more likely than you think

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 2:36 AM

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it was 100% likely (and as a bonus earthquaking a. raich at the beginning killed rapidash wihtout even sniffing a blaze kick even though i would have outsped anyway)

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 2:55 AM

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going through some encounters now

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ferrothorn obtained! (we had only that and ditto left as alloyed forest encounters so it was a very good shot)

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now we have the tower -- I decided to roll instead of taking virizion; I have a ton of grass

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flabebe or shelmet

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ehhhh I think we take the flabebe

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sentry follow me sounds super funny in doubles

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unfortunate to not get the falinks but oh well

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(I want it for a dupe route)

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 5:52 AM

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okay, getting back to this, time to roll split peaks?

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and that's a drilbur

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and now stone nest . . .

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axew! and yamasks but no one cares about them

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(this is unfair to yamask; the griggler is very good)

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now, before I roll puddle, I think I actually want to dupe out Goldeen (for several reasons)

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we're not using beheeyem at all, it dupes goldeen, and goldeen lets us dupe oricorio. then if we land comfey (reasonable at sweetrock harbor because we can get applin in the dex -- not a dupe, but we can get it for Herding chance manipulation -- and dupe milcery through trades) we actually get a guaranteed gumshoos at guardian island! which in turn lets me invalidate two of the three legendaries from the another possibles

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and now we roll puddle and it's two luvdiscs and a skrelp! I would have liked buizel too, but luvdisc was the actual ideal for dupe routing

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now we can roll underground river

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mantyke! two mantyke and a staryu, but mantyke!

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we also want to roll abyssal cavern before we roll sandstone extuary, but that requires beating some trainers and I am too tired for that to be a good idea rn

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you know, on further reflection, florges was absolutely the right call given that I think I'm going after the hoopa - regirock - melmetal line for whitebloom (I think it's way more consistent, just have to execute it properly this time)

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I think I'm quitting for tonight. but first, the boxes

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plus the party!

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and the death box -- and yes, we've actually not lost a single Pokemon since Rafael somehow

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:11 PM

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okay. let's go over the plan one more time

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turn 1 is ward press into flygon and iceberg bash into towerpoda predicting a switch
turn 2 we yawn volcarona and swap to ho-oh
turn 3 we swap to delcatty, and again to terrakion if Samorn doesn't swap out, and bring in cinccino; ho-oh sacred fires down reavor
turn 4 we pulsar towerpoda and take down towerpoda
turn 5 we stellerate and play rough maxie for the win

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I think we get away with Drill Peck instead of Divining Talon here

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But okay, I think we're ready, and I don't think there's much reason to delay further. I should know half of what's going to happen already; it's just a matter of whether it plays out like I think and whether my backup plans are good enough if necessary

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Like my last line, I'm turning it over and over in my head and I can't find the wipe angle, and last time that happened the plan went off basically perfectly

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Turn 1 goes off as predicted, of course

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turn 2 as well, and now the swap

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no swap from volc means terrakion comes in with ejecting

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volc snoozes!

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Volc withdraws in the face of drill peck, which is completely planned for

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DRILL PECK CRITS LMAO

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and it's just the sleeping volc

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THIS IS FOR TALONFLAME

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and drill peck didn't KO at -2 but that literally didn't amtter when volc was snoozing

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 1:23 PM

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Snork mimimi

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Gg!

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:24 PM

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I said it in showcase but your line was ingenious and made my job a lot easier here lol

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 1:29 PM

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^~^

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I like the above it all into eject button terrakion. Very classy

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 1:36 PM

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double eject button is just really, really useful if you have the setup for it

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sometimes you only need one clean switch to win a double

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 1:38 PM

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Yep

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 3:04 PM

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proceeded to grind some money. after some time in the calculator in the process I don't feel like I have a safe enough line into Felicia, so I think I'm just stink bombing her like usual

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well hm

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no I think I'm talking myself into bad plays

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I have to use my stink bombs at some point, and this is probably a harder trainer than any of the others who can actually be bombed

sacred vine Aug 29, 2025, 3:09 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/kl-gif-25745415

Tenor

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 3:14 PM

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well no
no, this does look quite safe

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fuck it we ball I guess

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I put together the team just in case I messed up with the stink bomb checked the calc, and it really does look good

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armaldo down! demon is away and I think we're gonna be good

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 3:21 PM

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Wait so where is this

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 3:21 PM

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the spinny psychic in cave of hatching

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 3:24 PM

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Ahhh

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Hate that fight

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 3:24 PM

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METAGROSS DEAD!

sacred vine Aug 29, 2025, 3:24 PM

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lets goooo

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 3:26 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/icecube-felicia-gif-9513161

Tenor

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deathless

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I could have planned that slightly better but it all went okay

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Florges and Ferrothorn were crucial for this working though

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AH FUCK I DIDN'T TURN OFF THE NOISE MACHINE

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I'm typically paranoid about that lol

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okay well I guess I get a kecleon here

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I wanted to dupe that out beforehand but honestly it's not too big of a deal given my box

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I did kind of want the tyranitar for the cave of hatching avatar duo, but I also might have a different plan brewing where it isn't necessary

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plus the really important get (meary or corviknight) is in whitebloom itself

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#-------------------------------
[TOGEKISS]
Ability = SERENEGRACE
Moves1 = AIRSLASH,MISTBURST,PRIMEVALIRONDEFENSE,PRIMEVALLOOMOVER
Moves2 = SLAG,GUTTURALROAR,EMPOWEREDCRUELTY,TAKESHELTER
HPMult = 8.0
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knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:01 PM

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togekiss is simple

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and Teal this time is Alessa!

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big break there; Alessa is probably the easiest of the masked villains

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:01 PM

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Yeah

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But maybe the most annoying to remove before.endgame

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:01 PM

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yeah we ain't doing that

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:01 PM

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Just cause so many battles

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:02 PM

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teal with the curse is vastly preferable to that double

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:02 PM

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I probably will with mine, since I want Mew and Manaphy anyways

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:02 PM

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yeah that's fair

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imogene is a double anyway, and eifion is free

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:03 PM

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Yep.

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Saved Carnation all this time anyways

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 4:03 PM

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Also alessa's final battle is doubles vs heatran

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:03 PM

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(Though I was considering rubarior for tournament)

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:03 PM

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I think the only ones you don't clear prior are Alessa and Skyler

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 4:03 PM

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skyler seems like a nightmare for the nuzlocke

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:04 PM

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Good'ol chip skylark.

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:04 PM

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Teal 2 does have Raf's curse, but in a 6v6 singles that's much less scary

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:04 PM

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Yeah.

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Doubles really causes that to be tricky

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Plus you have ward press and body press and more access to crits.

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Lots of counterplay.

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:05 PM

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I didn't even think about ward/body press

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. . . do those lower defenses under the curse? never actully had the opportunity to test that

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:05 PM

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Not sure! Worth testing.

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:06 PM

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will do that in debug first if I get there

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 4:07 PM

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if im reading the code correctly it only ever lowers attack or special attack

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PokeBattle_Battle::MoveUsedCurseEffect.add(:CURSE_SELF_DEBUFFING,
    proc { |_curse_policy, user, _target, move|
        next if user.opposes?
        next unless move.damagingMove?

        relevant_stat = move.specialMove? ? :SPECIAL_ATTACK : :ATTACK
        user.pbItemStatRestoreCheck if user.pbLowerStatStep(relevant_stat, 4, nil, true, true)
        next true
    }
)

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:08 PM

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interesting

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that's also what I would interpret, but I still want to test it to make absolutely sure before I go with it lol

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 4:11 PM

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Yea same

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 4:15 PM

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I think I want a ghost that clears hazards here, which means it's time I finally pick up Cursola

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Not that I probably need it, but better to have more than enough insurance

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then it's time to start planning a fuckton of optional dungeons I guess

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not that I don't have the pieces for it

sacred vine Aug 29, 2025, 8:22 PM

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dang alessa, for a so-called "professional trainer" that porygon-z set is real bad.

vague peak Aug 29, 2025, 8:24 PM

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smh no last resort

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also wait is that monke using a patched strat

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flying gem acrobatics

sacred vine Aug 29, 2025, 8:25 PM

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🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 8:30 PM

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Facade lmfao

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 9:50 PM

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sacred vine dang alessa, for a so-called "professional trainer" that porygon-z set is real b...

you could say that set is a critical error

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 11:42 PM

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whitebloom: pichu, kricketot, or pichu. probably the single worst roll I could have gotten lmao

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We're actually very low on electric types so this is pichu

autumn elk Aug 29, 2025, 11:43 PM

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pikachu pog

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 11:44 PM

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someday I shall be able to use meary again

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but honestly this probably isn't even that bad in the context of my box

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I should roll the first floor of ho-oh's tower next

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no, that's right, we actually go to prizca west sewer area first

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(dupe routing for golett maybe)

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golett, klefki, or sigilyph

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ummm I think I do go for the golett dupe here; the others aren't particularly valuable to me. klefki could be useful, but honestly I'd probably just end up trading it

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no, actually, the value is that it's a fairy type I don't mind trading for milcery

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I could trade alomomomomomomola but that's something I could have a real use for, maybe

wide trail Aug 29, 2025, 11:51 PM

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Alololololololol

knotty solar Aug 29, 2025, 11:52 PM

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. . . you know, the fish really doesn't have the bulk I thought it did, huh

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its main purpose was weather phasing on samorn, and I already beat her

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yeah no I think this is what I trade for Milcery

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Klefki is yet another steel-type and those have a lot of use as just bodies with resistances versus avatars

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but first, the ruined tower roll

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larvesta or golett (and an absol dupe)

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larvesta is what I wanted the most and it's what I'm taking

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Okay! My box was actually low on Fire-types; now I have another one which is very, very welcome

wide trail Aug 30, 2025, 12:01 AM

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Nice!

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:01 AM

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Ho-oh, Darmanitan, Heatmor, Volcarona, and Rotom-H is a good mix I think

wide trail Aug 30, 2025, 12:02 AM

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I regret letting Lily persuade me to take bellsprout over volc.

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:02 AM

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good data at least

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but yeah volc is independently very solid

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and it feels like you have a lot more chances to roll grass-types? or maybe that's just my particular box this run

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I'm also going to have Oricorio at some point

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I do want to trade one of them for Spheal I think, but honestly that's probably going to end up being Ori

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:04 AM

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wide trail I regret letting Lily persuade me to take bellsprout over volc.

did victreebel just not come up, actually? should not assume here

sacred vine Aug 30, 2025, 12:04 AM

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in my defense
i didnt know u had florges
i had very good experience with victree

wide trail Aug 30, 2025, 12:05 AM

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knotty solar did victreebel just not come up, actually? should not assume here

I considered it once or twice but never ended up using it.

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Damage felt too low for cleaning without a flytrap boost, and didn't feel comfortable positioning it for trapping

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:06 AM

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good to know

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so it's probably a niche option against bug-types compared to other grass I guess, which is indeed not useful in general situations

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obviously if your grass box is low you'd take whatever you can get here

wide trail Aug 30, 2025, 12:07 AM

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yea.

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:10 AM

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okay! so with Volcarona secured I think I'm not rolling a guaranteed fire on Volcanic Shore. (This gives me another shot at Comfey)

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there are also no dupes here so I don't have to drag stoutland's ass thank fuck

wide trail Aug 30, 2025, 12:12 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/stoutland-herdier-lillipup-yorkie-pokemon-gif-290826146199594738

Tenor

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:12 AM

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(stoutland is very useful for herding but he's also functionally deadweight in clarion triples because you never know when clarion-boosted pokemon will uncork a special move and gank his ass)

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I would complain more about it, but honestly I think it's functionally an emergent downside risk to the tremendous free upside of herding, which seems decent from a design perspective

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and there's the comfey!

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this is fast ballable thankfully

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and leech + black sludge damage from trash treasure damage easily damaged it into 100% catch range

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this is honestly a lot more fun when you're not just guessing at how good your balls are

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I'm building up a sort of intuition for how good balls will be before I throw them, too, all thanks to the numbers, which I don't really have in canon games or most fangames and is very welcome here

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the communicating via number of rocks before breaking out doesn't really tell you enough for that IMO

iron wolf Aug 30, 2025, 12:21 AM

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Especially since that itself is governed by random chance

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:21 AM

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exactly

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so the result of landing comfey is that my guardian island looks like this right now

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and since you can trade any dancer Pokemon for Oricorio, I believe I've just guaranteed myself a gumshoos

iron wolf Aug 30, 2025, 12:23 AM

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Niceee

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Great to see the encounter tracker being put through its paces

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:24 AM

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the encounter tracker is great! There's only a few issues right now (which I myself should compile and post down in #🕸-website-issues but I've been lazy about it since they're easy to work around), and the general utility is very, very nice to have

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guaranteed gumshoos makes the menagerie suddenly a real choice again, and a very interesting one

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interesting mostly because i have no idea wtf to evaluate this on

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my instinct is dupe out g. pony and go for the vulpix/g. yamask/karrablast/shelmet roll, because I love vulpix and also water absorb is there

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but I could easily be swayed if someone has a different suggestion here

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making notes for myself here

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my remaining encounter zones are:

dragon egg
chasm base lab
ocean fishing contest
abyssal cavern (2nd floor not 1st)
boiling cave
sandstone estuary
circuit cave
sweetrock harbor
catacombs b1
oasis system
crumbling canyon b4
mirror tundra & frozen lake
(spirit atoll but LMAO no)
UB Portal, maybe
Guardian Island
Eventide Isle
Steamy Valley
tri island
seviper or zangoose in the gatehouse
. . . ruins digsite

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my remaining trades are:

applin (ghost-type)
cryagonal (electric-type)
oricorio (dancer ability)
g. ponyta (fighting-type)
milcery (fairy-type)

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:49 AM

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knotty solar guaranteed gumshoos makes the menagerie suddenly a real choice again, and a very...

the fact that it's a gumshoos instead of a yungoos means that for dupes clause it's duped out but not for Herding, right?

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:50 AM

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oh it doesn't matter

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I mean I think that is correct, yes

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but if I have every other encounter I can just run around the grass until I find one

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:50 AM

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Oh sure that does make sense

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If it's literally the only thing left you don't need to clarion

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:51 AM

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yeah

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:51 AM

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And the gumshoos patch is extremely dupable for some reason

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:51 AM

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and triple battles are genuinely pretty scary

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:51 AM

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vague peak And the gumshoos patch is extremely dupable for some reason

tbf like

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this is only because I rolled Pikipek

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oricorio is also a pretty specific trade (even if you can sorta get there via another pretty specific trade) and the comfey is somewhat-easy to get but not guaranteed

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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No I'm referring to the menagerie patch containing yungoos

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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oh that one

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yeah

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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Sorry I have a bit of a migraine so my communication probably sucks rn

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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no it's reasonable

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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The icy grass patch in the menagerie is for some reason extremely dupable

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:52 AM

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I spent a lot of time thinking about that menagerie patch lol

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there's a few others tbf

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tall grass is like that

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so is dark ground

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:53 AM

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Menagerie is super weird, what are you thinking for it here in the endgame

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:53 AM

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I . . . think . . . the best one is the sparse grass? just because of the amount of utility there

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I'm not sold on the other stuff that isn't gumshoos

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Linoone is unfortunately only amazing against trainers with items, and there aren't that many

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 12:54 AM

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Tbf those are the tough ones right

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Although in tournament you can't steal so

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:55 AM

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I really don't need any of the stuff available from puddle I think; I'm fine on grass-types, I don't think noctowl adds much, and A. Grimer and G. Slowpoke add utility but nothing guaranteed

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 12:55 AM

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vague peak Tbf those are the tough ones right

specifically doubles with items

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linoone's value is more in redirection than actual combat

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and the hardest remaining double with items is alessa, which in a nuzlocke is never worth doing (because you'd either just take hollowed layer or do her singles appearance beyond the door I think)

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I never beat the avatar of tangrowth, did I

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 1:07 AM

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you could probably obliterate it

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 1:07 AM

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let's pretend that I have to take this one seriously

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#-------------------------------
[TANGROWTH]
Ability = LATEBLOOMER
Moves1 = ROOTWRACK,KNOCKOFF,PRIMEVALPUZZLEROOM
Moves2 = DAZZLINGGLEAM,MAGICALLEAF,ANCIENTPOWER
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. . . doesn't it snap trap you? or did that get changed

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oh, m. tangrowth

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#-------------------------------
[MTANGROWTH]
Ability = PETRIFYING
Moves1 = PETRIFY,SLUDGEWAVE,PRIMEVALINGRAIN
Moves2 = SNAPTRAP,VANGUARD,PROTECT
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yeah so steel types huh

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this is ground/poison
what if I go for the funny

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rock/poison I mean

vague peak Aug 30, 2025, 1:10 AM

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damn everything about this is changed on dev, by me specifically

knotty solar Aug 30, 2025, 1:11 AM

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"I should take this one seriously!" immediately stops taking this one seriously

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no, Bella is talking herself into a bad play again

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no, fuck it we ball etc

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this is among the stupidest things I have ever done

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4887 damage baby

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ngl that was actually pretty safe

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okay, now time for things that actually require planning

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we are cv ghost heart of justicing that raticate

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pteroflyte is getting stoutlanded I think

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florges is going to be donstered and dumpstered

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reavor is a bit of an issue, but can we just gravitas inferno strike vest titanix?

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You know, now that I know Bastiodon is good on that one ancient priest fight, the ability to take Rock Body here is going to be very, very useful

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free 1/8 healing every turn for being goated? yes please

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yeah this time camper nick was ez pz

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and I have dnd now so I'll be stopping for tonight, but I should post Archeops and such for next time

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iirc the next ancient priest is another this-is-scary-if-the-calc-is-wrong-but-it-isn't fights

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should really just check my old footage because iirc atlacross sweeps

wide trail Aug 30, 2025, 2:01 AM

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okidooo

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:06 AM

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#-------------------------------
[ARCHEOPS]
Ability = PERFECTIONIST
Moves1 = ROCKALANCHE,SKYFALL,PRIMEVALLASERFOCUS
Moves2 = SLAG,METALSOUND,MIRRORSHIELD
HPMult = 8.0
#-------------------------------

glass stag Aug 31, 2025, 2:09 AM

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wait doesnt that avatar not work

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:09 AM

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why not

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oh uh

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it can't crit with laser focus huh

glass stag Aug 31, 2025, 2:10 AM

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it. cant attack at all

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like laser focus would work

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but first phase

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it does nothing

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right?

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:10 AM

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it attacks

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it's permanent weather so sky fall goes off

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 2:10 AM

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why can it not attack

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:10 AM

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and rockalanche si rockalanche

glass stag Aug 31, 2025, 2:10 AM

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fair enough then

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 2:11 AM

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what if it changed abilities on phase change lol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:11 AM

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and no primeval laser focus makes every attack critical

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would be a shame if there was a screen set up that prevented that on a thing that becomes a monster in sandstorm! shame that doesn't exist

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 2:11 AM

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BIG BONG

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 2:12 AM

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I remember bing bong

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:12 AM

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I will have you know that bastiodon was independently goated for idiosyncratic move reasons but the fact that it randomly goes super hard into some really hard fights in this stupid dungeon is HUGE upside

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(for the record, and to clarify, I do like this dungeon quite a bit, but I am over how scary the fights are on a nuzlocke lmao)

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 2:14 AM

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bastiodon, i remember you're BIG BONG

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 2:50 AM

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last time I got ambushed by this guy and ended up perfecting him while steering. this time I want to plan to beat him out of sheer spite

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er, them? them. can't really tell any gender or anything behind the fucking gas mask

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(well that plus while you can theoretically beat their spinning, I shouldn't count on that)

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 2:53 AM

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radzayac

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what a bunch of names these are

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...is that a french name...?

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gaulish

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yeah these guys are ancient northern europeans, which makes sense actually

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:17 AM

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okay, here's our team

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araquanid basically stops diggersby, bastiodon should be decent versus m. giga, florges stops h. zoroark while curing any gunk shot poisons that might have been spread if diggersby escapes, ho-oh can eat Bolt Beak from Arctozolt if necessary and is good bait for a Bastiodon switch, and Ampharos is Ampharos

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oh right I can't even attempt to dodge the spinner; I think the puzzle flat out won't let you solve it until they go down

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so

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we're doing this

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not that confident but the theory seems sound

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:23 AM

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did u spend half an hour of planning on some chestibor looking ass bozo

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:23 AM

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yes

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m. gigalith is a demon that should be exorcised

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:23 AM

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oh yeah that is true

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carry on

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:24 AM

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diggersby down

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(why does araquanid learn infestation but not terror swarm?)

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:25 AM

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fixed on dev

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(the reason is because god has abandoned us)

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:28 AM

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thank fuck that arctozolt is down

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i think we're out deathless once again

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yep

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okay why does my rock keep disappearing from the hole

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:30 AM

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you have to send the rock through the time portal

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thats why there are two

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:30 AM

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I did that

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then I did the other one

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it kept disappearing

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then I did the same one

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it keeps disappearing

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I know I have solved this in the past but for some reason it's being ornery?

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there we go

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not sure what I did differently

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So next I need to plan for catching something here. Honestly, I'll probably just run if I don't see a Tyranitar, but I do want that Tyranitar

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but this isn't a Titanix situation where it's going to make a difference to my tournament; it would just be super helpful to have because I'm lacking a really defensive dark-type that doesn't bring M. Carni's specific weaknesses

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:41 AM

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~~necrozma~~

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:41 AM

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yeah no

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in particular because I need to plan for Whitebloom first, and part of the stuff I want Tyranitar for is the Farid battles

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:44 AM

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oh so you're chasing a different side quest

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:46 AM

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The whitebloom strat requires hoopa-u, regirock, and probably melmetal. so, yeah, we need to do some stuff

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I also used tyranitar on xandaveon last time

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that is not a tyranitar

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yeah we ain't risking this

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would be real nice if someone hadn't forgotten to turn off the noise machine on cave of hatching huh

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okay, so the demons are up next

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#-------------------------------
[STONJOURNER]
Ability = POWERSPOT
Moves1 = PRANK,ADAMANTINEPRESS,PRIMEVALTORMENT
Moves2 = NIGHTCHILL,BRUTALSWING
HPMult = 4.0
#-------------------------------
[CLAYDOL]
Ability = MAGICBOUNCE
Moves1 = REFLECT,LIGHTSCREEN,EARTHPOWER,PRIMEVALMOONGLOW
Moves2 = PSYCHIC,DAZZLINGGLEAM
HPMult = 4.0
#-------------------------------

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:49 AM

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is there a world in which you can normalize these bozos

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:50 AM

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so last time I left Claydol alone and took out Stonjourner. I'm thinking that isn't really wise? What I should do instaed is Dizzy Stonjourner to remove the Lorb boost from Claydol, then take out Claydol so Stonjourner isn't knocking it into Phase II prematurely

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:50 AM

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vague peak is there a world in which you can normalize these bozos

not easily

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you'd have to dizzy claydol via luck herb or skill herb move, then normalize it, then normalize stonjourner, then repeat for next phase

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magic bounce is a fuck

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:51 AM

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oh fuck magic bounce

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:52 AM

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what if counterplay wasn't allowed?

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 3:52 AM

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magic bounce has been taken behind the chemical sheds

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~~although avatar diancie has it now teehee~~

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:52 AM

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it's fine on one mon IMO

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it's the double that makes this one scary

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 3:55 AM

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Bella, do we wanna have a gentlewomans agreement that normalizing avatars into setup oneshot is lame, and we should treat normalize as immutable?

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:55 AM

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that seems reasonable yeah

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setup oneshot is totally doable without absolutely cheesing it anyway if you ever want to

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 3:56 AM

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yeah

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normalize just makes it boring af

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:56 AM

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yeah

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normalize is just like 'what if we invalidated everything'

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that's not like, interesting

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 3:56 AM

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cool

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then yea, I'll have to figure out a way to actually stall diancie if I wanna onetap it next time XP

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:57 AM

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screens seems to do the job well enough

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or just like

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dizzy into lower stats

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 3:57 AM

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yea

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 3:58 AM

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become a bastiodon gamer and laugh at avatars doing single digit damage etc

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(bastiodon is not actually necessary for that but it does help)

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does anyone have a list of moves that lower special attack while dealing damage? masterdex search isn't doing a great job here

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wait that's because i'm dumb nvm

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 4:02 AM

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hi dumb nvm

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:02 AM

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so it's snarl, spirit break, and mystical fire

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okay, looks like hatterene gets a slot

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shame I can't killjoy anything here

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 4:03 AM

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what is hat's other ability anyway?

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:03 AM

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struggle bug too right

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:03 AM

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berzerk

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 4:03 AM

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moonglow thing?

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ahhhh

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:03 AM

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vague peak struggle bug too right

oh yes

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ah I see

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 4:04 AM

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that one is spread and SE on claydol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:04 AM

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it did not show up because there is a typo and it says " the targets' sp. attack"

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oh not a typo

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it's just both

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it's actually snarl that has the text issue then

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spread doesn't actually matter here (if anything I'd like to avoid it because I want to keep stonjourner in phase I) but this does reveal ariados as an option

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keck also is probably here

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I also need something with sweet kiss; Comfey does that while giving priority on healing bullshit

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Why sweet kiss specifically

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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because the things with confuse ray weren't good into the fight

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:09 AM

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lol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:10 AM

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unfortunately I've got no fascinate mons (delphox is perfect for this fight if she was still alive)

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well, he, this one ended up being a boy but anyway

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. . . why does kecleon get roost

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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presumably just to annoy you

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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lmao

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I don't mind it getting a recovery move, but how is a not-bird roosting exactly

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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kyurem has roost in canon games

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I am unable to discern why

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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it's a dragon

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it's bird-adjacent

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sorta

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Ok but like

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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but kecleon is a fuckin lizard

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:23 AM

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Just give it recover…?

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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very true lol

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but i at least see the argument

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it does have wings!

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:24 AM

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kecleon can change its type so at least it can lose a flying type

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:30 AM

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so here's what I think I'm going with

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we kiss Stonjourner while Kecleon starts hurling Mystical Fires, then swap to Hatterene and start annihilating Claydol's Sp. Atk while Kecleon Charms down Stonj's attack. at some point we also swap in my own Claydol to put up screens. On Phase II I bring in Meganium to put the Moonglow away, potentially bring in Amphy to nuke Claydol from orbit (we can just tank those dazzling gleams we're built different). Once that's done stonjourner should be a breeze by itself

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everything on this team is intentionally bulky on both sides so we can eat both earth powers and adamantine presses too

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kecleon statted to outspeed claydol for mystical fire reasons

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okay! I feel decently confident in this. let's run it

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thankfully anti-avatar tech is much easier to deal with than anti-trainer tech

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:35 AM

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smoke em

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 4:36 AM

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smoke bombs don't work on avatars thou

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Immune to neurotoxin

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:36 AM

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if only

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this would be the best smoke bomb in the game otherwise lmao

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:37 AM

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can't smoke bomb doubles anyways lol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:37 AM

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here we go

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fuckin ow

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(but I think this went okay

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:38 AM

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did anyone die

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:38 AM

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nope

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just a lot of damage from the irst two turns

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:38 AM

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oh well then it did go okay

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:38 AM

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halfway here lol

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phase ii

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long-ass fight but claydol is down and stonjourner is struggling in phase i

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and now everything looks under control

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there we go

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we were on like turn 26 or some shit

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:49 AM

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ugotslugma

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:50 AM

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that felt much safer than my last strat on this fight; have to repeat this on any future runs

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comfey's the only guaranteed encounter that put in a lot of work here, but the general theory should work with several other options I think

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kecleon I mean

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 4:51 AM

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and meganium

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 4:51 AM

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meganium did barely anything tbh

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literally she swapped in, set weather, and swapped out again, and anyone can do that

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Kecleon did the bulk of the work actually (adaptive skin basically counters Prank lowering spdef, and Kecleon lowered both spatk and atk)

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Regirock get!

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 5:41 AM

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#-------------------------------
[HYPNO]
Ability = BADDREAMS
Moves1 = LULLABY,DREAMFEAST,BRICKBREAK,PRIMEVALINGRAIN
Moves2 = SPORE,WOODHAMMER,WAKEUPSLAP
HPMult = 8.0
#-------------------------------

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:06 AM

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LMAO I did something really stupid and almost lost claydol but it didn't matter never punished

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#

#

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:39 AM

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purple farid down with no losses despite me outsmarting myself and ruining my own Durant sweep (oops)

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:09 AM

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this time I don't mess up the sweep when beating green farid

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:28 AM

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hoopa get

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(also regice a bit ago but that's not part of a line I'm planning)

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#-------------------------------
[LEDIAN]
Ability = STARGUARDIAN
Moves1 = XSCISSOR,BRICKBREAK,PRIMEVALNUMB
Moves2 = THUNDERPUNCH,CROSSCHOP
HPMult = 8.0
#-------------------------------
[GSTUNFISK]
Ability = DETERRENT
Moves1 = FARADAYCAGE,SNAPTRAP,PRIMEVALRAINSTORM
Moves2 = LIQUIDATION,CURLUP
HPMult = 8.0
#-------------------------------

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:24 AM

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fuck alloyed forest we have better things to do

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 9:26 AM

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oh shitttt

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:28 AM

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I'm probably going to take a day to run around doing the little bit of prep stuff ~~plus not committing to a time for streaming the tournament since I already destroyed my sleep schedule this weekend~~ but I think we only have a few things left to do now

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 5:13 PM

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Okay, prep time. I obviously pick up my Feebas. Then I have to trade something for Magearna. I never actually caught my Unown as it turns out, so I think the optimal move is to Friend Ball it, level it to 70 to get its likes/dislikes, and trade it away for my delete button

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Then we need to determine slot #6. Mantine and Ampharos are contenders, but I currently -- currently because I haven't worked out my full prep yet -- think that the best contenders for this slot are Wailord and Lugia. That means I have to get access! I want to fight my way through the Underground River, roll my Abyssal Cavern encounter to ideally get a Sandstone Estuary dupe, then roll my Sandstone Estuary encounter, then finally roll Ocean Fishing Contest. Other encounters go to the wayside; I don't think there's anything else that helps me more from this position, and I'd rather postpone any other challenges (like the Battle Dojo) for when I'm safe sacking my tournament Pokemon if need be.

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Current state of my prep box. Bottom line is Pokemon locked in for the tournament. Second from bottom is Pokemon locked in for the finale, if we get there. Middle line is Pokemon that are contenders for the two open slots on these teams -- the other slots are reserved for Magearna and Cresselia, respectively.

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actually, I should check one thing real quick -- is it possible to stink bomb the Nightmares of Agony and Torment? Or Elise herself? I think the answer is no, but I can test that via debug on another file. The reason why I care about this is that I have only three other trainers left to fight and two stink bombs -- I'm perfectly fine bombing my way through two of them and not planning as many fights! Unless I decide I really need to pick up more encounters from hard-to-reach zones like the Catacomb depths, they'll just be going to waste, and there's no reason not to use them to make my life just a little bit easier.

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indeed the stink bomb does not work (as expected)

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doesn't work on Nero either (also as expected)

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 5:57 PM

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knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:29 PM

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stink bombed the other two, and then it's time for the abyssal cavern encounter. M. Jellicent is the ideal here -- I want a better shot at Wailord in Sandstone Estuary and it's a dupe -- but either Chinchou or Relicanth is still good because it's an OFC dupe.

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and it's chinchou or relicanth! chinchou is better here because it also dupes Lanturn for a little bit more chance at lugia

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alright! bit of an unfortunate result on Abyssal Cavern, but we press on. Sandstone Estuary time.

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nope

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I guess we take Carvanha over M. Frillish

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 6:36 PM

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Why? No Hope was extremely good for Emmi

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:36 PM

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OFC dupe provides a little more chance at Wailord or Lugia

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I think I have a line on the rest of the game; the best thing I can do now is improve my tournament odds specifically, and M. Jelli doesn't fill that role

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Fair enough

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:37 PM

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unconditionally M. Jellicent is the best pick here

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 6:37 PM

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In OFC?

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:38 PM

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of the ones I rolled in Sandstone Estuary I mean

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 6:38 PM

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Oh I see what you mean

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:38 PM

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okay, here we go

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nopppe

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relicant, bruxish, or magikarp

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 6:39 PM

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Bruxish is an odd one

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:40 PM

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I think it's bruxish or gyarados

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I want to say gyarados because I need more dragons, except that was before I got Appletun and Milotic

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plus I still haven't redeemed the dragon egg

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which, writing it out, indicates bruxish for more dark-type versatility?

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relicanth is bulky but its support movepool ain't great

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committing

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realistically the chance any of these ever came out of the box is small anyway

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 6:42 PM

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shoutout to the ugly ass fish

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:43 PM

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apparently my Bruxish isn't even worth any points 😂

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Okay! That looks like it locks my last tournament slot into a choice between Ampharos and Mantine. I need to go spend a lot of time in the calculator now lol

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(I more or less know lines that should work anyway, but I want to go through them in detail and write some things down so I have an easy reference before I actually run the tournament. that and sleep some because my head doesn't feel the most clear, which is also why I said this would probably be tomorrow lol)

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I could do some more stuff I guess, but better to save that for after the tournament. let's be discplined about this. Maybe I'll get the urge to do more later and go after Marshadow and/or Nero, but I think it's not the smart play.

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My vague plan for what to do for the rest:

Tournament
get my Tri Island encounter (I would like Dromerupt)
Beat Eifion in Abyssal Cavern (also the rest of his questline, but like, that's not very hard)
Enter Hollowed Layer
Beat Alessa and Sang so A. Sandslash and Atlacross become sackable
Beat Nero, maybe get Marshadow to do so if I need it
Access Guardian Island and get Gumshoos
Beat the Another Possibles
Battle Dojo, Scilla, and Chara
Eventide Isle
Finale

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:53 PM

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i'm curious, how do dupes change the odds of a specific encounter when using clarion? since if you have more than one thing you haven't caught before and only one thing you want you can easily get an encounter that contains dupes but still counts as your encounter with something you don't want

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also. with the previously noted bug can you clarion into a 1/100^3 chance of triple loogie. lol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:53 PM

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Herding + Clarion I think does it

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you use Stoutland to reduce the chance of dupes appearing, and then the odds apply to each slot rolled by Clarion

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:53 PM

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oh that makes sense yeah

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:53 PM

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I think anyway; I haven't looked at the code to make sure

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:53 PM

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forgor about herding, was thinking of usual nuzlocke dupe routing shenanigans

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:54 PM

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yeah

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you can't really do much typical nuzlocke dupe routing in this game

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and it doesn't even help if you do -- even if you reduce something to a 50/50, raw Clarion chance is about a 51%

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I don't know how much Herding changes the math but presumably it's substantial

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:55 PM

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checking code

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:55 PM

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(realistically higher than a 51% since apparently triples can't roll three of the same Pokemon? but I haven't sat down and worked out how the math shakes out there; that requires both a lot of specific math and looking directly at the code)

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:56 PM

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knotty solar (realistically higher than a 51% since apparently triples can't roll three of th...

fuck combinatorics

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def choose_wild_pokemon(enc_type, chance_rolls = 1)
    if !enc_type || !GameData::EncounterType.exists?(enc_type)
      raise ArgumentError.new(_INTL("Encounter type {1} does not exist", enc_type))
    end
    enc_list = @encounter_tables[enc_type].clone
    return nil if !enc_list || enc_list.length == 0
    
    # 25% chance to only roll on Pokemon not yet caught
    uncaught_enc_list = enc_list.clone.delete_if{|e| $Trainer.owned?(e[1])}
    uncaughtChance = herdingActive? ? 50 : 25
    if uncaught_enc_list.length > 0 && rand(100) < uncaughtChance
      echoln("Only rolling encounters for uncaught Pokemon!\n")
      enc_list = uncaught_enc_list
    end

ok so natively there's a 25% chance to roll a nondupe (doesn't feel like it lol but that's randomness for you) which herding doubles to 50%

def useChromaClarion
    unless $PokemonEncounters.encounter_type
        pbMessage(_INTL("The Chroma Clarion cannot be used here!"))
        return 0
    end

    unless $Trainer.able_pokemon_count >= 3
        pbMessage(_INTL("You must have at least 3 able Pokémon to use the Chroma Clarion!"))
        return 0
    end

    encounter_type = $PokemonEncounters.encounter_type
    
    encounters = []
    3.times do |i|
        species, level = $PokemonEncounters.choose_wild_pokemon(encounter_type)

and the clarion does call this function individually for each pokemon

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so with herding clarion each of the 3 pokemon has a 50% chance to be new

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:58 PM

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technically higher, right? beacuse it's 50% to roll on the non-dupes and 50% to roll on the full encounter table

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:58 PM

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right i was about to factor that in tone_NotMad

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:58 PM

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(this is how the full math spirals into a blizzard of mess lol)

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:59 PM

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so each of the individual pokemon has...
0.5 * (1/number of uncaught pokemon) + 0.5 * (1/number of total pokemon)? can you cleanly add those together?

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but that's not factoring in the fact the 3 pokemon have to be unique which makes everything dependent and ugly

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 6:59 PM

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not all thre have to be unique

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but two of them do

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which is, uh, yeah

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 6:59 PM

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oh inch resting

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also, yes, screaming

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i'm a mathematician but i never liked statistics

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frankly i'd sooner write a simulator for this

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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real

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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(and i'm not especially keen to do that either)

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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yeah i also am like, literally have a math degree, and this is still intimidating

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and monte carlo is easy

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brute force go brr

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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admittedly i'm not actually... seeing the uniqueness condition in the clarion code?

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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I uh

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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(even past what i posted for the relevant point above)

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:00 PM

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I think it was mentioned before? on the server?

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it's possible that was mistaken tho

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:01 PM

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oh hang on

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it's probably because choose_wild_pokemon prevents you from rolling the same thing twice in a row

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which was intended for dupe prevention for singles but makes doubles smoother automatically

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:01 PM

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yeah that's probably it

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I remember it being some quirk in the code

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rather than like a directly intentional thing

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:02 PM

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    if @lastEncounter && enc_list.length >= 3
      echoln("Ensuring no encounters with #{@lastEncounter}")
      enc_list = enc_list.delete_if{|e| e[1] == @lastEncounter}
    end

(later in the same function)

@lastEncounter = encounter[1]

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:03 PM

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so practically, math-wise, you're rolling twice on the regular list and once on the list minus one member

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it's probably somewhat simpler because all you care about is that you get the one thing you want so you can call some edge cases the same, but again i ain't working that out lol

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:03 PM

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well you're rolling once on the regular list
once on the regular list sans first roll
once on the regular list sans second roll

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:03 PM

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ohhh

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that does change things huh

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:04 PM

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as much as this terrifies me from a statistical perspective it's very cool from a programming and game design perspective lol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:04 PM

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yes definitely

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:04 PM

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(also i hope you don't mind this tangent in your thread too much lol i got kind of caught up in it)

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:04 PM

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I mean this is like we were saying, this is the sort of problem we'd solve via brute force rather than working it out exctly

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:04 PM

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iron wolf (also i hope you don't mind this tangent in your thread too much lol i got kind ...

no no not at all

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I keep meaning to do this more explicitly

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and then go 'but what if i didn't'

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I think it's actually fairly important to knowing how much clarion manipulates your chances and whether it's worth going for dupes and such to have an idea lol

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plus theoretically there's the lugia question

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because you can get so many dupes on the OFC it's unclear what the real Lugia chance is, and if it actually gets into the realm of, say, 20%-ish with a ton of dupes? it might be worth people's time to route for a chance

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that's 1000% not a problem I want to tackle by hand though

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:09 PM

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i don't think lugia interacts with the usual decision process, because of its uniqueness condition
after the pokemon is chosen, when it's being generated for the wild encounter, it has a 1/100 (assuming herding and no high score) chance of being replaced with lugia
so it's actually fairly simple
and unfortunately you can't route to increase your chances

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Events.onWildPokemonCreate += proc {|sender,e|
    next unless $game_map.map_id == 239 && $catching_minigame.active? # Ocean fishing contest
    next if $Trainer.pokedex.owned?(:LUGIA)

    chance = 1
    chance *= 2 if $catching_minigame.highScore > 0
    chance *= 2 if $catching_minigame.highScore > 40
    chance *= 2 if $catching_minigame.highScore > 80
    chance *= 2 if herdingActive?

    next unless rand(200) < chance

    pokemon = e[0]
    overwriteWildPokemonSpecies(pokemon,:LUGIA)
    pokemon.set_starting_level([getLevelCap,45].min)
    pokemon.reset_moves
}```

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 7:10 PM

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oh damn

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well that's good info at least

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:10 PM

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high score affects it but obviously that means. catching something. lol

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 7:10 PM

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unfortunate

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oh well lol

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 7:10 PM

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also i never knew this but you get double shiny rolls in the fishing contest. neat! that also means the tentacool i got that one time wasn't full odds technically

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:02 PM

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Thinking about some future stuff. Fragile Locket Whimsicott is shown doing 112% to Elise's Kyurem-White (provided I give it Pure Energy in the calc so the damage shows up correctly!) I think that I can just say that the actual damage is 0.9x112%, which means that Play Rough is a kill and there exists a safe, guaranteed out to one of the scariest individual Pokemon in the game. however someone confirming that it actually works that way would be nice lol. (though honestly, it should still be like >95%, which gives me the option to set up deterrent or rocks or something. Just trying to see how much I have to plan for the big obstacles atm lol)

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 8:06 PM

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the Kyurem White Woman Jumpscare is still very funny

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:46 PM

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current draft of my tournament team, put here mostly so I can use the code if I want to go back into the calculator quickly

DGMXQvFhjAoCigNBYAQLARD3jAVQFAJRODwFQxOujAoCigBQfDsVBQEUjAooFATBXC8VgqCLjABSigJRXBMYwrlyjKBQFAhg6GsA

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I'm very tempted to go Ampharos here over Mantine -- Wailord might have had more upside because it's an anti-stall tool and Whale Song is helpful for steering, but Ampharos's sheer power and bulk is going to be the next best thing for getting me out of tricky situations

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the thing that annoys me is that I am one Pokemon off this team being either Radiant or Caretaker, but nothing that I can find fills Magearna's role, which is what it would need to do (sadly Obstagoon is probably too important in its exact current incarnation)

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. . . hm. well, is it?

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things to think about

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I think this is me trying to talk myself into something bad though . . . though Radiant would actually be a huge boost in a way that other tribes wouldn't (Caretaker is mostly helpful for steering)

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I would need a Dark-type that inherently comes with Radiant tribe and -- no you've gotta be fuckin with me

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 8:52 PM

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LMAOOOOOO

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https://youtu.be/NFTemk99fLU

YouTube

Pokeli

Pokémon UltraSun & UltraMoon - Ultra Necrozma Battle Music (HQ)

This play when you are challenging Ultra Necrozma in Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.
To check out their battle, just click on the video cards ("!")

Main goal of these video concept ideas:
My main goal for these kind of videos is to be as creative as possible!
Let me explain:

Firstly, my very first channel Mixeli (But also my latest one Vol...

▶ Play video

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:53 PM

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what do I use Obstagoon for?

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samorn: incidental stuff versus Armaldo and speed control versus Flygon. Check Ampharos on this

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Lambert: ho-oh literally sweeps

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Eko: Obstagoon sorta baits Eelektross's Superpower and gives me a thing to do versus Salazzle, and threatens out A. Raichu. Check Ampharos on this. Same for Necrozma

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X: Obstagoon lets me phase with Parting Shot and Frustrate. Again, check Ampharos Numb on this. Gardevoir being forced into the last slot means I should be able to Ascend Ampharos beforehand for extra bulk (plus Radiant should basically negate the Death Orb boost)

sacred vine Aug 31, 2025, 8:57 PM

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knotty solar I would need a Dark-type that inherently comes with Radiant tribe and -- no you'...

this is hilarious actually

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:57 PM

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Elise: Obstagoon stops Chimecho and Knocks Off Weavile's Life Orb. Necrozma can probably stop Chimecho and stop Weavile by itself

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Alessa: Ho-oh literally sweeps

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Eifion: Obstagoon only does anything because he's a fuckin staller

sacred vine Aug 31, 2025, 8:57 PM

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pretty sure @wide trail found that ho-oh does not sweep alessa due to pert

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:57 PM

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Helena: Obstagoon does nothing

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:58 PM

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sacred vine pretty sure <@320251597361774594> found that ho-oh does not sweep alessa due to ...

it should sweep in lead

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Ho-oh leads Sacred Fire into Forretress, baits a switch from Swampert, and then Brave Bird kills

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I've done this several times so I know it works

sacred vine Aug 31, 2025, 8:58 PM

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oh thats fair yeah, forgot about the other lead

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:58 PM

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same way we snipe Zain's M. Gigalith

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(well except there we need two brave birds)

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Bence: Obstasgoon does nothing
Zain: Obstagoon does nothing

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this is . .. surprisingly doable

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I can't believe I am seriously considering this

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 8:59 PM

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yeah that's the issue with what I did

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 8:59 PM

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knotty solar I would need a Dark-type that inherently comes with Radiant tribe and -- no you'...

WOKE

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 8:59 PM

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Emmi I'm stealing your strats again

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:00 PM

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ahaha

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listen if you win with my ideas, that means my ideas are good

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:00 PM

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one problem is I can't trap Solgaleo and Lunala though

sacred vine Aug 31, 2025, 9:00 PM

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imported your team out of curiosity and uh

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what happened here

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https://i.imgur.com/ktJq3vx.png

Imgur

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:00 PM

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floating point error on radiate bay bee

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:00 PM

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yeah so you'd need to deal with Lunala later probably

sacred vine Aug 31, 2025, 9:00 PM

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oh lmao

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 9:01 PM

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Thank you javascript

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I really need to just make these round properly which way does tectonic round

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:02 PM

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up apparently? this Titanix has 194 spatk

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@wide trail do you have the video from your first Lainie fight? the archfriend not the ultra

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Either up or. Well. Rounded (depending on whether it's < or > .5)

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:04 PM

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knotty solar <@320251597361774594> do you have the video from your first Lainie fight? the ar...

think so?

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I do but its too big to upload (has the whole section

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:05 PM

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ahh

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:05 PM

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may upload it to my youtube and link it

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:06 PM

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it would be very helpful if you could lol

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you had a consistent terrakion/cobalion line right

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:09 PM

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Will be up in 2 minutes

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And yeah I did

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But Cobalion needs Swift or Stellarate. Shouldn't be an issue cause Cincinno

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:09 PM

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yeah it's an easy fix

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frankly as long as you got 90% of the way there it's easy for me to do the remaining 10%

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:13 PM

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bruh its gonna take an hour to process it JillAnnoyed

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Thanks YouTube

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It might be available at low res sooner than that

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:14 PM

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one of these days I need to figure out an easy video editing thing for us to cut out all the extraneous stuff
(for me as much as anyone else here, lol)

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:15 PM

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I can give the breakdown though

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 9:16 PM

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knotty solar one of these days I need to figure out an easy video editing thing for us to cut...

There's really not a good solution huh. Everything is either so basic as to be useless or intimidating pseudo professional software...
Really just need like. MS Paint for video lol.

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:16 PM

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T1 is sacred sword Terrakion into Blissey, All 4 One into Cobalion. You need Rail Cannon to scare out Lik so it switches to Gastrodon

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:16 PM

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iron wolf There's really not a good solution huh. Everything is either so basic as to be u...

really, like we really do lol

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Outplayed (the app I was using before OBS) was actually really easy, but it's also a bit of a proprietary mess

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hm, I wonder whether I could edit non-native clips with it

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it was also just like. all we need is to cut

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that specific part was easy

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:17 PM

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T2 Seer Strike Terrakion into M!Zangoose, All for One Cobalion into Gastrodon (should kill). Your Terrakion will get Mach Punched but that is ok

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T3 Rockalanche Terrakion, Swift/Stellarate Cobalion (double check the calc on this, also balance stats so that Cobalion is slower than Terrakion)

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T4 Rail Cannon Lik

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That's game

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Energy Herb was insurence, the rest of the party was insurence if either mon went down

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:20 PM

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totally makes sense, thank you

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will double-check calcs on this in just a few lol

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:21 PM

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All for one won't look like it kills Gastro, but with the slashes it does

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:22 PM

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right, forgot about those

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it's one slash from terrakion as follow-up right

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hmm necrozma gets terraform hmmmmmm

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:23 PM

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knotty solar it's one slash from terrakion as follow-up right

yep

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:24 PM

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oh good that's in the moveset so I can double-check explicitly

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 9:28 PM

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I should add a way to calc arbitrary moves for edge cases like that...

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:29 PM

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would also help for avatars

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before I seriously work out the terrakion/cobalion thing, I should make sure that the Necrozma team is viable at all

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elise: necrozma destroys weavile wtf

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also presumably chimecho thanks to radiant boost (or, you know, ampharos that shit)

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X: scary, but if we ascend Ampharos before (very doable) we should be able to arrange a safe switch here, plus Ho-oh actually does better here (without calcing Radiant boost!) than I thought it would

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Eko: Salazzle is spooky, but I can probably swap in something and get off exactly one Numb and nerf it to the point where it's manageable

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(we could also simply not see Eko)

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hmmm I could seer strike salazzle except that also opens me up to getting my wild card knocked off and losing radiant boost

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a. raichu is spooky, but only before factoring in radiant boost

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I think I can ascend on Eelektross here

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Samorn also should be very beatable using Ampharos (or frankly the main issue before was that I would get Ho-oh Supersoniced and lose Regenerator, and that shouldn't even be a concern with Titanix in the party now)

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my previous solution to beating wornet was setting something up with ho-oh. my new solution to beating wornet is sending out titanix and laughing

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yeah. no, yeah. this is 100% a doable task. the worst one is Eko but (a) that's a 25% to roll them (b) I think I understand this fight well enough to engineer a scenario where I can beat it anyway thanks to Ampharos

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okay, so archfriend lainie

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(also Eko was spooky with Obstagoon strats anyway tbh)

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oh, and Necrozma also solves an issue I was potentially having with Incineroar on Eko! very nice

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 9:51 PM

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nice PomieSunglasses

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 9:55 PM

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this is still kinda spooky because I know the obstagoon lines quite well, but this is also much more hype (and frankly probably gives me more room to steer if I need it)

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the one thing is that I lose my main source of stat debuffing

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but I think that's fine based on how fuckin fat this whole team is

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:00 PM

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oh btw footage finished, you want it?

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:00 PM

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yes please

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:01 PM

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https://youtu.be/6p9XaTdEidE

YouTube

Aigis~

Archfriend Lainie

For Bella

▶ Play video

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don't mind the thumbnail needed to put something

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:01 PM

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hilarious thumbnail tbh

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:01 PM

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@sacred vine high praise

iron wolf Aug 31, 2025, 10:02 PM

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wide trail don't mind the thumbnail needed to put something

Fwiw "auto generated thumbnail" looks like an AI option but includes the old ability to just pick from 3 frames of the video. So that you have something without needing to scramble for an upload

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:02 PM

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ah good to know

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:03 PM

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looking at stuff, I absolutely think this plan works, but I do need to actually (a) gather the condensed lights (b) get access to the Black Market for Rail Cannon

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(or I mean I could get Registeel but that sounds far scarier)

sacred vine Aug 31, 2025, 10:05 PM

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classic image

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:14 PM

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knotty solar Thinking about some future stuff. Fragile Locket Whimsicott is shown doing 112% ...

. . . I just realized there was a simple way to check this -- my old footage shows 205 damage versus Kyurem-White's 202 HP total in calc

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stating this explicitly so we all know that Fragile Locket Whimsicott is indeed a Kyurem out

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 10:17 PM

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be warned that if you build for a tribe in the tournament, losing a team member will cause you to death spiral even harder

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we saw this happen before

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:20 PM

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the tribe is fortunately not necessary necessary, and the main thing it does is make possible rolls on the first two easier

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I also have the big advantage of knowing more about piloting a team that looks like this into the tournament already

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i went to my old footage to see if there were any ideas for ultra lainie and I will have you know that it was an immediate "ah, one of these fights"

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so we're going after marshadow

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:23 PM

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vague peak be warned that if you build for a tribe in the tournament, losing a team member ...

note: I think the way you get around this is by buying healing items beforehand to keep your team healthy rather than using the aid kit and just not reviving the dead team members

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that allows you to keep your tribe while also not letting anyone live who shouldn't

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 10:24 PM

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Eh that feels cheaty to me but I guess we should get clarification from The Green Names

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:24 PM

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it's how you'd do the elite four and champion in any other pokemon game

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 10:26 PM

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my guess is that the ruling will be in your favor, just to keep tribe based strategies relevant for the tournament instead of risky

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:27 PM

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this is also true

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but also like, it's more that this is just using the original pokemon mechanics as intended, right? the tectonic improvements are only really intended for quality of life

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note to self: go into the tournament with zero aid kit uses to not accidentally mess up through muscle memory

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. . . this is when I learn that Oricorio is a trade for a Pokemon with Loud, not with Dancer, because I misremembered

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oops

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That being said we have two good shots at it so I'm not particularly worried here

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:43 PM

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Oricorio being a dancer trade would literally just be oricorio and goldeen

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:43 PM

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true I suppose

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I don't know why it was in my head as the other way

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also flame body is available but I already rolled that

vague peak Aug 31, 2025, 10:43 PM

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loud isnt that much better tbf

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:44 PM

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3 lines instead of 2

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 10:44 PM

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the difference is that you can guarantee dancer via the goldeen trade

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oops lmao but also hopefully won't matter

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now that I understand more about how the clarion math works, the chance of rolling Gumshoos on either of the two available encounter zones is much better than I thought

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oh no OH NO

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i went through aegis insurance

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time to waste several horus of my life

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voltorb flip my nemesis ❤️

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 10:47 PM

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woooo

knotty solar Aug 31, 2025, 11:05 PM

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okay 4300 coins later i can make myself quit

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one of these fuckers needs to go

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easy (it helps being almost twice their level)

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okay, so the next thing is dinner, but then we're going after some condesned lights! and marshadow I guess

wide trail Aug 31, 2025, 11:17 PM

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yummy food!

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 12:38 AM

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I can just durant honesty right

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yeah I can

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other girl looks like atlacross food I think

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 1:10 AM

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#-------------------------------
[DRAGONTAMER,Georgius]
Pokemon = DRUDDIGON,25
Moves = STANDTOGETHER,DIAMETRICBREATH
AbilityIndex = 1 # Well Suited
Pokemon = NOIBAT,25
Moves = MEGADRAIN,BOREALWIND
AbilityIndex = 1 # Fell Omen
Pokemon = TYRUNT,25
Moves = GRANITEHEAD,LASHOUT
AbilityIndex = 1 # Rock Head
#-------------------------------
[SAGE,Rennyo]
Pokemon = KIRLIA,25
Moves = LIFEDEW,HELPINGHAND
AbilityIndex = 0 # Synchronize
Pokemon = NATU,25
Moves = HEALPULSE,HELPINGHAND
AbilityIndex = 0 # Vigilant
Pokemon = DELIBIRD,25
Moves = TAILWIND,AURORABEAM
AbilityIndex = 1 # Holiday Cheer
#-------------------------------
[HARLEQUIN,Vincenzi]
Pokemon = SWADLOON,25
Moves = STRINGSHOT,RAZORLEAF
AbilityIndex = 0 # Cold Reception
Pokemon = BRIONNE,25
Moves = GROWL,BUBBLEBEAM
AbilityIndex = 0 # Tuned Out
Pokemon = STUFFUL,25
Moves = LEER,PUMMEL
AbilityIndex = 0 # Intimidate
#-------------------------------

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 1:33 AM

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#-------------------------------
[DRAGONTAMER,Georgius,1]
Pokemon = MARSHADOW,55
Moves = FAKEOUT,SHADOWPUNCH,DRAINPUNCH
AbilityIndex = 1 # Impressionable
Pokemon = DRUDDIGON,55
Moves = STANDTOGETHER,FLAMETHROWER,CRUELTY
AbilityIndex = 1 # Well Suited
Pokemon = NOIVERN,55
Moves = GIGADRAIN,AIRSLASH,SCOUR
AbilityIndex = 0 # Terrorize
#-------------------------------
[SAGE,Rennyo,1]
Pokemon = GARDEVOIR,55
Moves = LIFEDEW,HELPINGHAND,MOONBLAST
AbilityIndex = 1 # Feedback
Pokemon = XATU,55
Moves = REFLECT,HELPINGHAND,LIGHTSCREEN
AbilityIndex = 0 # Vigilant
Pokemon = DELIBIRD,55
Moves = TAILWIND,PACKAGE,CHILL
AbilityIndex = 1 # Holiday Cheer
#-------------------------------
[HARLEQUIN,Vincenzi,1]
Pokemon = LEAVANNY,55
Moves = XSCISSOR,LEAFBLADE,ANESTHETIZE
AbilityIndex = 1 # Bladebrained
Pokemon = PRIMARINA,55
Moves = GROWL,HYPERVOICE,SURF
AbilityIndex = 0 # Tuned Out
Pokemon = BEWEAR,55
Moves = WIDEGUARD,BODYSLAM,CLOSECOMBAT
AbilityIndex = 0 # Intimidate
#-------------------------------

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 1:50 AM

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rolling catacombs floor 1 and it's dusknoir or aegislash (and an m. carni dupe) . . . unfortunate beacuse I wanted noivern, but aegislash would be very nice

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oh wait I didn't need it for this fight anyway

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I read well-suited as taking less damage from super effective attacks, but it's actually not very effectiveattacks! never mind that's easy to solve; just don't use them

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and indeed that was easy! despite me freaking out that I did something wrong the whole time

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marshadow get

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 3:10 AM

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knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 3:38 AM

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rolling steamy valley and we get torkoal! or mismagius or hymnus, but I want the torkoal here . . .except mismagius uses perish song and I have exactly one chance to throw a ball. uhhhh what else am I master balling? not much at this point, and I'm confident in my ability to get legendaries without one if need be. fuck it I want crimson storm access without consuming a figment and another tanky thing in the box

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 3:39 AM

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master ball torkoal

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 3:39 AM

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the thing is like

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I theoretically have access to a bunch more (alloyed forest and nyx for just a few)

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and I really don't have much else to use them on at this point lol

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the only thing I really need is Cress and she joins you of her own free will

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 3:40 AM

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it's totally justified

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just feels very "Dummy" you know

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 3:40 AM

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oh yeah very true

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torkoal isn't even doing that much for me, but she does save me a figment

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and honestly, sun phasing could be useful

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:32 AM

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okay! took me awhile, but we're at the first Lainie battle. I took Emmi's suggestions and made one other minor improvement, so hopefully this will all go okay. and if not uhhhhh well we'll see I guess lmao

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 4:34 AM

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Fuck it we ball

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:34 AM

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OhYeah

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:36 AM

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ez pz, thank you Emmi

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The change that I made was I gave Terrakion a Whetstone instead of the Expert belt

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:37 AM

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Ahhhh that's smart

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 4:37 AM

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wait all for one to trigger whetstone to get an attack boost before you move is smart as fuck

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:37 AM

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oh it actually goes off with sacred sword

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 4:37 AM

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oh right lol

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:37 AM

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but uh fantastic idea Luna stealing that

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:37 AM

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I think one should actually test where it triggers off the one for one slash; that's a case where it's possible the coding is weird

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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there's defo some abuse that can go off with that

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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tru

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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but if it works yeah it's a really clever way to get a boost on something

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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i'd test it rn if i didn't just open civ v lol

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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mood

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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iron wolf i'd test it rn if i didn't just open civ v lol

yoooo who ya playing

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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mr house. lol. heavily modded. before that it was edelgard, then miku...

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:38 AM

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eyyyy I've played him before I think

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he was fun

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 4:39 AM

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iron wolf mr house. lol. heavily modded. before that it was edelgard, then miku...

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:39 AM

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so first we got the furfrou girl I guess

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:39 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/fall-out-singing-mr-house-gif-22069685

Tenor

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:39 AM

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(feel free to keep talking btw; I just need to have this sitting here so I can see the pic with discord open)

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 4:40 AM

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stylish furfrou
unstyled

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:40 AM

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stylish 10 straight spread legendary build Madeline

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 4:40 AM

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is she stupid?

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:40 AM

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yes

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stupid child

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:40 AM

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wide trail stylish 10 straight spread legendary build Madeline

the artfully styled just-got-out-of-bed look

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 4:40 AM

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i mean stylish still boosts the effect of the default 10 SP right

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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yeah it does im pretty sure

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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yeah but like

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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I mean

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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its boring

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 4:41 AM

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Unown at home

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 5:05 AM

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actually you know it is after 1 and I am feeling it
should probably just go to bed rather than pushing to the end of this and losing something to something stupid

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 5:14 AM

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that would be wise

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 5:14 AM

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not that my box can't absorb it (I have literally lost nothing since raf??? somehow???) but I want my important stuff intact

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 6:18 PM

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I forgot how silly Marshadow was; a good night's sleep and I remembered and subsequently swept this fool

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next up

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 6:41 PM

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and we're here!

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I have a plan for this
it involves cinccino going brrr

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 6:45 PM

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it's giving "let the supervillain out of prison to stop the apocalypse"

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 6:45 PM

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that's more like marshadow going brrr tbh

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(that may be the second half of the plan)

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impressionable is super fun and good and absolutely needs to be locked behind a legendary, even though it comes with its own kinda big restrictions

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 6:49 PM

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well thats how legendaries work in tectonic

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they are team warping and absurdly powerful if you build into them

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 6:50 PM

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oh I know

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it's good design by tectonic principles

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but also, like, just saying

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checked the calculator and was shocked to see that Marshadow didn't kill Solgaleo! and then I rechecked and it turns out that Marshadow no longer gets STAB applied to its attacks in the calculator -- which is a good thing, because that's not the default with Impressionable! anyway that means that this strategy should still work lol

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and there it is

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the secret to doing any uncursed late-game double is that two very strong and fast attackers with abilities that give them extra attacking power can usually sweep with the right combination of STABs

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oh wait wrong picture lmao

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vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 7:15 PM

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gods why is wind tunnel a spread move

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that seems like an oversight lol

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 7:16 PM

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there's a few of them tbf

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stellerate is also like that

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okay I guess a few means exactly two in hindsight

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 7:16 PM

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normal type is allowed to be weird

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 7:16 PM

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tbf here I'm pretty sure that if you use stellerate instead nothing changes, but also, yeah

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the funny part about this tournament team is that if I had gotten Shiinotic I could have totally made this a Radiant/Caretaker team

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 7:24 PM

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caretaker is crazy

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 7:25 PM

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caretaker would actually synergize really well with this team concept, but the team I would end up making would be worse than this one

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(I already want to swap around to my super bulky things to heal damage off Ho-oh; with Caretaker I could do it with everybody!)

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it's probably one of the strongest tribes for singles

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 7:27 PM

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holy cow

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 7:27 PM

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marshadow, my friends

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(and one thousand years for skill link)

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so here's what I think the tournament team looks like atm. I'm expecting to do this tomorrow night right now; I've done a bit of calculations and I think this looks really good, but I want to spend more time with it to make absolutely certain that I have lines written down and understood so I'm not subject to nerves and I can steer if I have to.

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(the 1 attack on Necrozma is what it looks like I need for it to counter Eko's A. Raichu, in case you're wondering)

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team code, though the specifics are of course subject to change as I refine things in the calculator

DGMXRYFhjAoCigNAvAQLARD3jAVQFAJRODwVgqCLjABSigJRXBMVBQEUjAVQFATBXC8FQxOujAoCigSgfDsLRtOijATQNATB0DoA

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 7:44 PM

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Who ya gonna shiny you think?

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 7:45 PM

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haven't thought about it yet lol

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the obvious ones are ampharos and meganium

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I could get a third vial of gleam powder if I let skyler out I guess lol

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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ho-oh: 251/54
meganium: 172/34
titanix: 111/15
ampharos: 172/34
magearna: 200/47
necrozma: 142/28

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(radiant tribe may not be implemented in the calculator, but it's easy to approximate via overloading style points if you know the spdef value)

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 8:38 PM

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I genuinely don't remember modifying impressionable lol but we take those?

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Tribes otoh... One day...

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Oh no right that's what I was gonna say when I caught up. Pretty sure wind tunnel is already non spread on dev

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 8:41 PM

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every time cinccino appears on screen another broken tool dies on dev

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 8:43 PM

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...seriously I can't find anything in the code disabling STAB for impressionable ajksdfal;kjf;lakjf

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 8:43 PM

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shrug

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all i can tell you is what the site seems to say lol

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 8:45 PM

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the 1 hp dragon energy 💀

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 9:02 PM

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going to post my notes on the tournament as I work on them -- commenting is open if people feel the need to say something, but otherwise this is mostly just to be transparent about the process lol

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UDh2Hv7elgGbXMNG8Cgk9lrdWzVsMiL0Y34E6prY2dc/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Attempt 4 Tournament Notes

Ho-oh can lose some spdef for speed thanks to its absolutely stupid special bulk. Current plan is to go to 101 to outspeed X’s Indeedee. Rounds 1 and 2 Samorn Lambert Eko X Elise Rounds 3 and 4 Alessa Eifion Helena Bence Finals Zain

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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hmmm maybe I just do this tonight

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if I wait a day the nerves only build more, and my plans look about as solid as possible here

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 9:35 PM

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eyesclassic

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 9:47 PM

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thinking like 8-9 PM EST (so like 2-3 hours from now)

vague peak Sep 1, 2025, 9:54 PM

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hmm

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right after dinnertime

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i will make my family have dinner early so i can be there

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 9:55 PM

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I might move it later depending on how people feel about it

iron wolf Sep 1, 2025, 9:55 PM

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It's good timing for me as it is, fwiw

knotty solar Sep 1, 2025, 9:56 PM

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if I say like 8-9 that's the start time and presumably nothing starts on time

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@wide trail how are you on that timing?

wide trail Sep 1, 2025, 9:56 PM

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Oh uh

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Should be fine?

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 12:24 AM

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newbie to tectonic: where can I buy healing items?
person who has played a lot of tectonic: fuck healing items we got an aid kit
experienced nuzlocker: where can I buy healing items?

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(I have since figured this out)

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I'm planning to hop on in a couple minutes, but I said 8:30 in main chat for a reason lol

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 12:25 AM

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i am ready

iron wolf Sep 2, 2025, 12:25 AM

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I was gonna hang out but I think I need to lie down. Best of luck with tournament

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 12:27 AM

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no worries; hope you feel better/sleep well

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 12:37 AM

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hey nuzlockers get in here

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:45 AM

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tournament video will be up at some point but I have to actually upload that shit to youtube

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(that being said Emmi and Jess were watching and can tell you how it went)

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 1:47 AM

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swimmingly

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:47 AM

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better than expected tbh

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to be fair we did not roll Eko

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I think things might have gone south if I had rolled Eko

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(I should check how that would have gone in debug, noncanon event etc though)

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 1:48 AM

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Wife suggested that a good bounty prize would be having you added to the game standing atop a mountain like Red from GSC

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:48 AM

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😂

wide trail Sep 2, 2025, 1:49 AM

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Disgusting

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:49 AM

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bella standing atop a mountain leading an army of trans girls (the army is the discord server)

wide trail Sep 2, 2025, 1:49 AM

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vague peak Wife suggested that a good bounty prize would be having you added to the game st...

that'd be pretty iconic

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With a lead herbalist ampharos holding 2 power herbs

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:49 AM

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incredible lol

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 1:51 AM

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the more I think about this the more peak it would be

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:51 AM

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~~haha geddit peak because it's on a mountain~~

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it would be cool though

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if more than a little self-aggrandizing lol

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 1:52 AM

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would be fun to add an actual summit to Kilna imo

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 1:52 AM

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true . . .

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defeat bella's team while fighting some nasty curse
reward: shiny mareep

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 1:53 AM

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wait yes a custom curse

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btw you are still in voice

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 2:02 AM

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thank you

iron wolf Sep 2, 2025, 3:22 AM

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Yo let's goooo

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 3:22 AM

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video now uploaded and link posted btw

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 3:25 AM

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worth a watch, that tournament was clean asf

iron wolf Sep 2, 2025, 3:49 AM

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meganium being so unappreciated by people into being part of the deathless tournament team is so peak

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 3:50 AM

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ikr

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if nothing else I think this is a clear demonstration of why she's so good lol

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not even really, because Meganium didn't get to show her true absurdity here (the craziest thing she does is taking out Meganium on X, but that was never going to happen with Titanix in the party)

iron wolf Sep 2, 2025, 3:54 AM

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wait the no team editing thing blocks healing items???

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 3:54 AM

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as we discovered in real time

vague peak Sep 2, 2025, 3:55 AM

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damn I was hungery for a big malasada during the tournament 😓

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 3:56 AM

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something we should perhaps think about for design purposes, but also not really important if the bounty is about to fall lol (unless we make a second, more restrictive nuzlocke bounty, which could be interesting -- limit/ban the fixed encounters maybe?)

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well, no, because some people will want to nuzlocke regardless of the bounty being there

iron wolf Sep 2, 2025, 3:57 AM

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yeah nuzlocking is still a popular like. thing.

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 3:59 AM

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but yeah I think the item thing should be legal

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because (a) it just feels weird -- if a Pokemon does a lot of heavy lifting but then dies, do you have to send it back to the PC and then it's not recognized in your post-tournament showcase? (b) it means there's a specific penalty for taking a tribal team into the tournament, which sucks when that's one of tectonic's main cool mechanics

iron wolf Sep 2, 2025, 4:02 AM

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...healing items don't work but aid kit does

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ok

glass stag Sep 2, 2025, 4:07 AM

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this feels like an oversight for sure

sacred vine Sep 2, 2025, 7:59 AM

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Lets go!!!!!! Big congrats

open pikeBOT Sep 2, 2025, 5:08 PM

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yeah we watched the video and that was fucking CLEAN, good shit

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 11:36 PM

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we may be the champion but we still gots the stuffs to do

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Tri Island gives me a Numel! Very, very nice; that's what I wanted

wide trail Sep 2, 2025, 11:48 PM

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Excellent!

knotty solar Sep 2, 2025, 11:49 PM

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and she's coming out immediately too because she's great against that Manergetic

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final check and I think everything looks good, so let's roll

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eifion's just one of those people where the best answer is to covert cloak everything

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oh wait that ho-oh moveset lol

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okay, now let's roll

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that octillery is actually a little scary in the rain! (anyway Amphy won)

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yeah that was easy

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eifion's team is about as pathetic as he is at thsi point

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Ahahaha yeahhh

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Wait he has friend to all and no tribe

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:03 AM

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that he does

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:03 AM

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Eifion what the hey dude

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Wait he LEADS with Manaphy????

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:03 AM

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he does have u-turn to get it out I guess

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but yeah

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:03 AM

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Dude is straight up Geeta'ing this

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:04 AM

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tbf it feels more like a 'hey showing off my new friend' this time

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like, suboptimal, but narratively sensical suboptimal

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:04 AM

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Yeah that's fair.

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But uh that Giganteon should defo be ultra adapted.

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:04 AM

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definitely ~~not that it matters against cancer rotom~~

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okay! next up is the battle dojo, I think. Been running Nighmare Queen calcs for days and I kinda just want to get that over with tbh

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:06 AM

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Is that.... normal ghost?

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Yuck

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:07 AM

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crystal veil sure is an item

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really should go hunting for gumshoos at some point too

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. . . you know, I know I can get through this guy because of Fixed Encounters Only. But what if I just rolled Menagerie instead? I don't know what else I'd get from there that would really help my box anyway at this point

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I know he's sweepable, but that sounds like work (and more importantly, risk)

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on the other hand, I could not get the yungoos from the menagerie

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a. vulpix or g. darumaka

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the thing about g. darm is I really don't like choice band in general and zen mode's defensive profile is ehhhh

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oh I forgot about Herding LMAO

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that's on me

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oh but phase shift is interesting
guess I get g. darm here

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okay, fuckin nero I guess

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very tempted to rip fixed encounters only and just be done with it

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i'm pretty sure it was just marshadow cinccino bullshit like usual

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can't believe I just caught g. darm and it's already making it's way into a bullshit team concept

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:24 AM

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lmfao

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that's Garmanitan

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:25 AM

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you see, garmanitan zen mode is ice/fire and scrapper tribe, which gives marshadow ice/fire STABs while enabling scrapper tribe defense boosting

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 12:25 AM

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amazing

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 12:55 AM

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okay, time to beat up this fucker

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funnily enough I'm about to use his own tyrranical tribe against him (so he doesn't flinch on my sash-breaking fake out and swaps out my delcatty for me)

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dead, dead, and dead. who's next?

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easy

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okay! one more shot at the gummy boy

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we don't need Gumshoos, but having one would make certain lategame fights significantly easier

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there we fuckin go

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gumshoos get

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decided to fuck it we ball against riccardo and it got a little spooky and that is the last time I do anything without triple-checking it in calc this run

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though granted that was mostly due to me deciding that spikes didn't exist (glancing over it I mean) which is entirely my own fault

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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oh geez

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any deaths or ya good on that front

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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nah im built different (like sawk and throh)

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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lmao

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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we were still 20 levels higher; it would take a lot to take us out there

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 1:24 AM

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gain those rocks

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 1:26 AM

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staring at reuniclus and I am once again wishing that kingambit was in this box

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you know

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wait never mind

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I was gonna say I could get the Zangoose I've been passing up and creat a kingambit at home, but actually reuniclus has juggernaut and that doens't work

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wait I can regice this; that's very funny

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you know what actually counters this reuniclus though? necrozma

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 1:32 AM

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its THEM

iron wolf Sep 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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fighting the fraud allegations

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 1:33 AM

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the fact that necrozma is legitimately showing up to play in nuzlockes without even any dev love yet is kinda wild ngl (in a great way)

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second team on which g. darm zen mode makes an appearance btw

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my opinion on this encounter has turned around so very fast

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(it turns out that physically defensive fire-type is a role that will get you a random slot in a ton of parties I guess)

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once again succeeded in accidentally building a radiant team

iron wolf Sep 3, 2025, 1:42 AM

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lmao

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 1:42 AM

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to be fair, ho-oh and necrozma and ampharos are going to go on a lot of teams, and that's already three

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then you have like rotom, titanix, watchog . . . buncha others with radiant tribe that are competing for a slot a lot of the time

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 1:44 AM

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Radiant is also just a splashable enough effect that its worth slotting a mon in for to use it

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 1:44 AM

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definitely

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like even if it's not directly relevant, it lets you put your special tanks into physical so they're better if you need to steer sometimes or whatever

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and a lot of times it means you can just say no to special attackers

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and that was easy! (amazing what happens when you plan properly)

wide trail Sep 3, 2025, 1:52 AM

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ChillBar_woah

knotty solar Sep 3, 2025, 2:05 AM

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juniper was the cleanest yet

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next up: ampharos man

#Bella Tries Her Hand at Curselockes