It definetely will have its uses
#Emmi's Curselocke but in the cool kids channel
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YezGunned down
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Monke also gives parting shot and fake out pre raf
Though I expect you've already made your choice
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yeah, I have. Monke is good but like
Scyther
also I already have parting shot pre-raf through zig
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the best thing you can do with pansear is probably trade it for spheal tbh
though I suppose friend guard might do things
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Lily made real good use of it in one of her runs I'm pretty sure
@surreal bolt input?
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Hey wait a second that looks like an unrealized meary
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early venom guard
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oh fuck real
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And seems good in a poison core if you can swing that
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venom gouger is also solid
works well with roselia
maybe not bad? Its no Magnezone or Beldum but
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Poison as a build around is fun if nothing else
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Hey wait a second that looks like an unrealized meary
unmearalized
Ariados was a solid anti-avatar Mon for me (particularly for xerneas) even though it didn't do much else
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"early"
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*interesting*
So tbh I think Pawniard is potentially the best encounter here
There's been a few fights where I'm like "a steel/dark would really help here!" and then realize that there is literally one
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It's one of those where everything here is potentially really good, but Kingambit has an actually unique niche
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yep
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Plus free focus sash or Defiant
also this. This is good
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Level 32 sticky web kinda pog though?
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Notably, not that it matters now that we discovered Shuckle, but Kingambit was one of the few ways I found to risk-free beat Artemesia
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oh funky, good to know
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(Faraday Cage into bullet punch)
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Level 32 sticky web kinda pog though?
ooh nice
So Flame Spikes is probably better for Yez III but you can totally set up other hazards
OH
so not that it matters for you yet
But the way you get two layers up is you lead a Pokemon where she can see a physical move as well as the flame spikes
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ahhh notable nodnods
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That makes Illumise put up Reflect before it swaps into Raichu
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Tryin to decide if going for Guts encounter is worth it now, or if I wanna save it for 🐶
M!Roggen and Aron are incredible, and I have good sand tech rn so Nosepass could be good as well
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I'd probably save it if you don't need something right now, just because everything you can get there is so good that you might want to see how it fits with your specific box
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What even is the last mon in there?
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Right
Not bad either, yeah
So save it for seeing if I need a raf answer or if I can save it for lategame
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Infiltrator Crobat assassinates Whimsicott through sub with U-Turn which is valuable
Yeah
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notable that roggen and aron are very good eko mons
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Or like, if Steelix dies somehow and Lairon helps on Helena
etc
It's one of those where more options are probably good but no option seems bad
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cringe
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literally working on it ok
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"here carry this Geodude in one of your back volcanos. Surely that will keep it safe!"
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Oh pog gravitas means I can use Long Shot safely
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tbh if theres anything to load into a volcano it would be a-geodude
considering golem
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oh sir I have bad news for the lategame strategy at this point
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anakin...
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Considering I have a fantastic sand setter, I think just grabbing Aero here for consistency is optimal
Not sure I can avoid the need for Basculin here
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Bastiodon, apart from all the other benefits, is a fantastic tank in sand fwiw
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yeah I'm sure, I may try it later, but rn aero
my main issue here is I do not have a great answer for Tentacool
Agility Herb Long Shot should do it, but its scary and I don't know if the tenta would see that long shot kills
also positioning, but that just means I should grab Covet instead of polish
@grave steppe ideas here? Bit nervous
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thinking
I think Gravitas Onix is maybe better as a switch-in than a lead. What's your plan for Fletchinder?
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box btw
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let me actually upload my steenee strat
obviously you can't replicate the steenee part, but it illustrates how I used Onix in a way that might be helpful?
So you don't have Basculin here, but basically I used it to redirect attention while I set up Stamp Downs on an Onix switch. Wondering whether you could do a similar thing with Aero maybe
Tentacool specifically is so physically weak that you can probably just punch it with basically any unresisted move and have it go down; the issue is setting that up
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helping hand I got from the svait Eevee
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Ah yeah smart
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so what I've done consistently is novo -> grouz -> luxtech through lingering delta, usually through the arrowkuda trainer but see if one of the others is easier -- that thing is threatening
then through county park to gigalith's guts, then team chasm hq to repora forest to svait
if you find a way through backpacker freedom (scary but very possible I know because of fixed encounters only) that also gets you a chesto berry and m. munna
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gotcha
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nice!!
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lmao
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a little surprised eko never went for a fire move from vulpix on pawniard tbh
(but then I've seen similar behavior from them on my own runs)
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a little surprised eko never went for a fire move from vulpix on pawniard tbh
Same
It would have survived anyways but I think spread+super effective on sandy+stat downs made it more interested in snarl
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the AI does really love its spread moves
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Not like I'm complaining
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nah it's helpful for planning
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whats t2 anyways
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turn 2
or, how do you mean/
Saving Delta for 🐶 I think, Vullaby would be very nice, as would Croagunk, and Buneary is a Meary
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literally everything on lingering delta grass is really good from what I understand -- even cutiefly I've heard really good things about, and I know from my own experience that after you ribombee can be kinda fucked if you set it up right
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yeah
I probably prefer it to Meary since I have a very very good ghost atm
Do have a lot of good fairies though
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fwiw I got cutiefly and haven't used it at all in my playthrough, though that's probably also because my box is quite good (also I have several bugs and fairy is one of those types that only sometimes comes up from what I've found)
that being said, meary does have the issue that she only really comes online post-surf. pre-surf she's not great into Raf exactly and everything else on the dusk stone is spectacular
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yep
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ok
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yeah freedom is evil
the arya of southwestern makya
I typically use G. Zigzagoon to get his m. polteageist to a more reasonable speed and a. meowth to leech it and/or mareanie so you can recover the damage, but it still always feels like touch and go
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yez 2 time
this fight is real scary, but I can use sandshrew to guarenteed pop Sanda
Scyther lead scares out morgrem, probably to Magenton
Main issues I'm seeing is bonking Centiskorch and that I don't have a good mon for Poliwhirl
Grass stater solves the latter, but that requires me to decide who
I know Bella really likes Meganium, and I also really like Meganium in general
Half my goddamn box is weak to fire
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meganium at least has the raw bulk to survive grass attacks okay sometimes
I used Steelix here to great effect because i't's so fuckin bulky that Centiskorch and Poliwhirl will usually go for the partner if it's at all tempting
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So I probably uturn into steelix then
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yeah
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since magneton will come in to block it, and probably be scared back out by ground moves
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Almost certain Centi comes out to replace sandaconda to try and kill sandshrew
I will get at least one turn with steelix against Centi, flame wheel does 80%
May give an occa berry for safety
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Alright, yeah that makes sense
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it ended up being a fairly standard conga line of mons on the left that absorbed attacks and drew attention away while steelix steelixed all over them
if you have rock tomb it works better than blunt force here iirc, but blunt force is guaranteed off a. graveler
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that was trubbish unfortunately
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steelix's current steel movepool in the 60 bp range is weirdly bad
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but its also probably a good think
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not even by mentor
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That's probably already changed cause of dev stuff?
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I see
Chesnaught is one of those ones that I've always considered using but not actually tried tbh
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Its got intimidate and stuff, so I'm pretty curious how it'll do
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it looks good, but like, meganium
aggravate leech seed is a thing that it's allowed to do
also spiky shield
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Spiky sheild level 12 is crazy
lets do it
sanda down
Centi came in and got smacked
swapped Mace in to take shine shot and brick break, killed Magne
Thunder Fang into Poliwhirl, spiky shield blanks pluck and brick break
NUMB!
Camerupt, who switched in after spiky shield, should now outspeed poliwhirl
but doesn't take a hit from dart, so switching to missil
Poliwhirl down
Just Morg and Dart
Morg down!
YEZ 2 DOWNNNNN
DEATHLESSS AGAIN!
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yes!!!
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Yeah I believe Onix is best in casaba now LMFAO
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wish we had a better strategy worked out then "just use steelix 5head" but hey it's something
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just roll onix on casaba surely nothing is wrong with this statement chat
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honestly yeah
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Not like its good into lambert anyways
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just means we need a girlboss strat to crater at level 20
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i mean i beat her with literally four mons lol
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you notably don't actually have to beat genevieve for that
though the rest are kinda nasty still
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Finally got my order from Burger King, thanks @surreal bolt
Freedom at level 20 sounds awful, and so does monkies
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I've done freedom at 20 for fixed encounters only so it's doable
the others uh . . . less so
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yeah
basculin + something else does a decent job, and you can get a lot done before then if you try
notably the courage badge - helping hand - aqua jet thing is going to be repeatable on a lot of setups (you don't even have to worry about eko faking out the helping hander because it has higher prio)
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Yeah
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and the rest is pretty manageable with a fullish box
(also fake out into snap still works)
even better if you use the fossil but I do like what shieldon does to your chances of solving the pre-surf avatars
(this probably says something about embrittle distribution more than anything tbh)
I/we should experiment at some point with unown and m. munna a bit more; they're guaranteed encounters that don't eat a token
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Yeah. I often trade in munna for Wimpod but it definetelt can do stuff
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it's definiely correct by the time you get to Raf but it does plenty of things in the previous sections in my experience
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Meat Grinder? How do you mean?
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idk he always dies in silly ways and never seems to contribute much
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They are kind of awkward
I feel like they get good lategame but not better than other options, and they struggle to switch in often
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Unown basically always has good stats, and his move pool is decent
If you're willing to veil him I feel like he actually does have something going on
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oh it gets some stuff
not a bunch I wouldn't say, but some stuff
mostly normal and psychic moves, and some status
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I demand that Unown be given the Kecleon tutor pool
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Does get Wish which is actually pretty notable considering how beefy its hp gets lategame
But uh yeah no most types it doesn't get stab until 50
It gets normal moves, psychic moves, and fling but that's stab once lol
Oh and weather Burst so midgame can do the weather types
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Early/Midgame its probably best to just keep it ??? cause at least then it has an 80 bp stab
Although Cosmic power steel type or cosmic power grass type can do good into Helena
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We have made it
To
🐶
not me half paying attention and driving my bike into the grass in crater
no encounter but was quite stressful
Auto Reflect! Not bad at all
Probably will be staying a Jr. for a while
Choice of Ghost type here...
Well frankly Lopunny ain't bad either
but like, M!Mandibuzz is so fat
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m. mandi is absolutely the pick here im pretty sure
like it's one of the best pokemon at what it does
also toil and trouble makes it incredible for anti-avatar tech, especially pre-surf
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that it is
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lmao yeah that is fat alright
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you know I just realized Pecharunt basically has Neurotoxin lol
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. . . it does, huh
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Vullaby get
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yeah lol
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Good Raf mon! Probably an Araquanid after that
Maybe
Echolocate goes pretty hard
...another fairy psychic type
hm
another psychic type, but I really like Claydol so this one is ok
Titanix and Cobalion cleanly answered now
hm
I mean weather setter nice
And evolved in time for Raf
And Glameow is really boring
But I have so many psychic types
Which is more reason for Natu
So yeah natu
Murkrow! More passive weather, but like, Rattle Em is a lot more impressive
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i looove rattle 'em
...i guess that's fairly clear from the fact i put a honch on my new dev team lol
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Turtonator my friend turtonator
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was lookin for another ground type, and this goes well with Murkrow
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Which is funny considering the other mon here is the direct counterpart
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yeah lol
anyways last encounter for now
gotta sleep snork mimi
...
this is why we don't catch pokemon on low sleep
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tardy drumBOT
owie
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yea
that sucks
hurts my raf a fair bit, though I'm probably fine still. But Kingambit is just a solid pokemon
Blatently avoidable too, could have easily switched to Vannil
Not ending on bad news
rolling sewers
Solosis!
Its no Trubbish, but this works well with Xatu and its another bulky mon for the toxin core
Probably 2nd choice here
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was lookin for another ground type, and this goes well with Murkrow
ooooo nice
another piece of the non-guaranteed yez team
(tough ursaluna just kinda dunks on haerobic and regirock)
turtonator also just really solid as a defensive piece from what I recall from my frist run
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6 Psychic types }
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I mean psychic is a pretty good type
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Sorry I'm not following the whole discussion about onyx and the other Pokémons but I started playing "Mega steelix" and God he's really strong.
Good damage, super solid physically and he has SR. 🥰
And I noticed the evolution from Onyx to Steelix occurs quite early, probably useful for nuzlocke idk.
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Titanix matchup into Raf and the legendary avatars is questionable at best unfortunately
which is what you're worried about by the time you get it
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I'm not a nuzlocke player so I can't say much about this. 🙂↕️
I can imagine that when you try to nuzlocke a game, the evaluation of a Pokémon value changes a lot
More short term oriented sometimes, etc
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You might be able to do something against Raf I guess? But he's weirdly sorta a fire gym leader and Titanix can't really take too many hits on the special side
Titanix's big payoffs are, like, everything else though
it's just that the early limited stone uses are better as targeted improvements to your box to fight Rafael specifically, and given that you're only ever getting the rewards from one or two of the trainer gauntlets unless you're very insane you'd rather go after something that has a clearer benefit
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Its fun!
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For some!
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I'm some.
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In all honesty
I'm starting to consider 3rd Eevee (Novo Town) as a viable option
May just mean I need to find a non-Jolteon route through ZoeBence though'
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Third eevee does feel like a viable option, though you have to line up an extra normal type for it
Swirlix doesn't do much past gym 2, cherrim I've mostly found use for as a trade (though it is spheal or frillish), swanna didn't do much for me
idk about smoochum lol
but jynx you get a good shot at anyway lategame
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Dog can handle Copperajah , Hitmonlee can't hit Sandygast
But Lunatone is quite scary
Ziggy?
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a. meowth has been my typical counter here -- doesn't quite do it, but can plant doubt and get its HP down. g. zigzagoon probably works in tandem
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nodnods
Well now that I rolled sewer I can money grind so getting both should be easy enough
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very true lol
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Frankly one of the only reason I have not considered saving it for Clarion
That and Garbodor for Raf goes hard
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the ability to not worry about money or xp is too important imo
donster is so very good but it's not quite as necessary as some IMO
though another roll on a flame spiker is nice especially if you managed to get delphox killed on Helena somehow
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Oof
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damn, missed recording a really tiny section. No big deal, just got Mincino and pushed the boulder in shelf
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DISQUALIFIED
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me: prepping a big'ol plan to deal with Gueneviere's Lunatone
Sandygast: yo y'know it'd be really funny if I got 2 ominous wind boosts and just killed it myself
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lmao
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Gueneviere's down
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Alright Jessica, I'm proving you guy
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wha
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M
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G
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is that CV water...?
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my man
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Should be able to trade with him with burn, and it has retreat if it is out of position
but anyways not allowed to do this now cause soupid wife is making me play cool fun final fantasy 14 
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just say no to MMO
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but anyways not allowed to do this now cause soupid wife is making me play cool ...
It was really fun
A war broke out
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nine minutes woof
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there was a lot of midbattle calcing 
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expertly done
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I will say
Unown did a quite good job here replicating a bulky pure water, and Secret Power hit pretty hard into Prinplup
Good job Unown
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M
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G
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like i always say unown has suspiciously good stats at every point in the game
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Grabbing M!Munna and trading it for Wimpod since I have no other dragons
(and egg is far too valuable to trade in)
oh wait I do have Turt
But uh no turt is cool and bulky af and munna is a silly egg baby
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y'all sleep on m.musharna…
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im pretty sure m. musharna sleeps on us actually
idk, m. musharna has the problem that it's either locked into snore or needs to run sleep talk stuff which is inconsistent
and if you do a chesto berry set you can only switch it in once really
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yeah
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I have run an m. munna covert cloak slumbering drake set (versus helena in the dev version fixed encounters only line) but that's under very specific circumstances for that to actually work
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I don't think its bad, but I do think its a lot of work to get it running when I have 6 other psychics who can do similar jobs
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plus golisopod is one of the few guaranteed pokemon that's legitimately good into Raf
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and there aren't many dragons you can trade for it
someone tell zinnia this is a problem and the solution is to create more dragons
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Its pretty much Munna, Fire or Grass starter, or MAYBE towerpoda
don't think turt is worth it to trade at basically any point
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yeah definitely not
and the fire and grass starters probably do something more for you unless you're really down bad, and towerpoda similarly is amazing if you can just get past raf
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oh and dragon egg and that's never worth it
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(plus getting rid of a steel is questionable in and of itself)
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Is it worth dealing with Raikou to get Crobat?
Golbat does its job pretty well already
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ummmm honestly probably not
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someone tell zinnia this is a problem and the solution is to create more dragons
I think our lead dev is already extremely convinced of this
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that's the joke
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the fossils are all really good though . . .
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I think most fossils are similar value for less effort as M!Munna
So Crobat's main benefit is that lead crobat oneshots bellossom with exanguinate or stinging jealousy poison gem
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I mean, Carni if I go for it
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exsanguinate doesn't boost attack if you score a kill iirc
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I mean I guess you can't exsanguinate a dead guy
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I mean the idea is that you're killing them by exsanguination, right
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Dugtrio does fairly well on the lead here, actually
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does 80% to M!Ninetales and 38% or so to Bellossom
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I'm wondering about aero into bellossom?
definetely an option
7 league granite head does outspeed ninetales
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looking at this and thinking that honchkrow does seem super solid into raf too
but that presents the same problem
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moonglow was actually pretty good into him if memory serves
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I don't know if Emmi has the box for it, but just a fast hard-hitting dark/flying seems good here
(the box for moonglow I mean)
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I just mentioned it cause rattle 'em seems hard to proc in doubles
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Shiftry goes hard on the lead
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im used to thinking it's dusk stone because of canon
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gale force squall dark can probably onetap bellossom with a sharp beak
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are there any good moves you can cheat onto your team with evolution items
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I mean cold front
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unfortunately it looks like no
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Real strong with Vannilish
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flying gem squall dart is ~57%, and you need ~66% for a 50% boost to get you to OHKO
(these are things I know from marshadow calcs)
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Vannilish was already coming along because of Extra scoop so not bad
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oh wait cold front instead of squall dart lmao
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wouldn't tremor still do spread damage because it hits you?
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oh I assumed spread penalty was only if it hit 2 enemies
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I'm honestly not sure how the specifics of spread penalty works
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even if it doesn't, that's kind of fine? Because sand tomb will kill
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if you can survive a hit you'd almost prefer that ninetales stays in at very low health at the end so you can control incoming damage on T2
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dig would be better if the AI didn't know it was coming
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guarentees Ninetales dies turn 2 with soft sand
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but I'm pretty sure Raf would just swap to Oricorio
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Sand Tomb Bella ^~^
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Its not going ANYWHERE
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duh lmao
that's actually interesting; protect + dig turn 1 and assassinate the leads turn 2
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And yeah that makes turn 2 very predictable
So yeah, pretty confident in Dugtrio Shiftry lead
which means Turf gauntlet
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also means you don't need to quite get 100% on Dugtrio if you're a little scared of the calculator being wrong lol
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yea
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it's always turf gauntlet it feels like
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nice cause that first trainer ain't too bad
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tbf this is partially because polteageist is really good into yez 3
honestly that entire gauntlet isn't that bad
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Sadly won't have that option cause my leaf is now for shiftry
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it's just obviously scary to do the whole thing because nuzlocke
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Sadly won't have that option cause my leaf is now for shiftry
m. mandi does the same thing but better if you don't have strength sap access yet
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yea
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toil and trouble my beloved
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so that
is 2 slots locked in
Golbat is taking slot 3 for the very unique role of onetapping whimsicott through sub
slot 4 is Vanillish for Grey Mist and Extra Scoop making it real easy to pivot through
Also takes out Oricorio
Slot 5 probably Golisopod, incredibly good into Raf in general, bulky, first impression goes hard, and it gets a very bulky follow me
This is the most replaceable slot in the current core
slot 6 is more than likely Camerupt, my best solution for Dhelmise and a good answer for Marowak
my main worry here is Marowak, but I can work around that with careful positioning
Could be worth getting my water starter now for a better water move than Wavebreak
Alternatively could trade in a fighting type for marienie, but my only one is Quiladin
Razor shell sounds quite nice to have
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seel gets you brine, and Jellicent is an option if you can spare a grass-type
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thinking water for Goliso, so brine wouldn't do it sadly
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ahh
samurott (or h. samurott really) does go hard; it's not a terrible use of a token
locks you out of the greninja sweep on bence & zoe if you wanted to do that, but M. Mandibuzz specifically gives you more options there anyway
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yeah, plus I have a comfy rain line into Zoe and bence, though iterating on it saves me a good few resources
so, this is a fairly simple fight
Leading with Turtonator lets me get up flame spikes, which neuters everyone except Altaria
Altaria can be handled with Golbat quite well
ezpz
this fight seems rather rough
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why didn't he evolve his steelix with the stolen evolution stones? is he stupid?
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shiny stone :X
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Oh is it cause Candy stole those or something
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ye
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actually very funny
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ugh both these fights are rough
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god (xava) did give us stink bombs for a reason
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yeah
last dude is probably getting stunk
pretty sure I can manage this first dude
sandshrew lead with metal coat takes out glaceon
it also completely handles crobat, and if I can position it right, Shiftry as well, though I will pack a 2nd answer for that
That Octillery is a real issue though
May require a sidequest to go get chansey
even chansey takes 42% from a 5 hit 
and that's without factoring in double check
still, vis chansey is my best bet there, which means layered sidequest time
beartic
god I hate beartics sprite
I don't want to make jokes but this makes it hard not to
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the fur is extremely questionable
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that sure is a crotch fur
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get bullet punched in the groin beartic
what fucking weapon do I name a big pink blob after
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rod from god
dropping a tungsten rod from orbit
the technical term is "kinetic bombardment" and it's a WMD that's technically not in violation of international law if you do it from low orbit
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ok well that's Octillery, Glaceon, and probably crobat solved
and if its healthy after, Steelix as well
interesting...
Minior plays well into my sand setup, meanwhile Cleffa is another moonglow setter when most moonglow abusers are either extremely high opportunity cost encounters or bad
Think my choice is made
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minior is also a pokemon with fully evolved stats at a good point for that
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yeah
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also good into marowak + oricorio potentially
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Minior very likely will come along as a much better alolawak answer than camerupt
Also I really like Minior just generally
cool dude
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also probably matters less if it dies tbh
camerupt is important for yez and potentially eifion reasons
also flame spikes lol
patent folio
what flavor of Minior is it you think?
worthy minnow
grape
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noooo you can't post this on this server nooooo
(this joke will go right over the heads of children)
patent folio
...I'm sorry but call me children it went over my head
grave steppe
in the very old days on fanfic people used to call spicy scenes in fics lemons
i think it has largely fallen out of favor these days
patent folio
aha
yeah uh
my memories only go back to 2019, so not surprised I don't remember something that niche
grave steppe
ah, understood
patent folio
something something trauma lmao
worthy minnow
damn I thought the joke was just that eating a whole lemon would make you go AUGH
grave steppe
yeah no i get it; i have enough other friends with similar issues
patent folio
damn I thought the joke was just that eating a whole lemon would make you go AUG...
that was my version :x
worthy lark
I don't have full amnesia about it but "life started in 2019 because that's when I got out of the trauma" gang 🤝
Fucked up that's it's been like. 6 years
patent folio
gods don't even say that
patent folio
I don't have full amnesia about it but "life started in 2019 because that's when...
Its weird for me cause I have some of the memories but its sorta like watching a cassete, where half the footage is broken and the main character is nothing like you and also isn't you and allat
but uh not the place to talk about my weird brain
So!
Lets clown on this dude
worthy minnow
clobber him so hard he gets a concussion
patent folio
Golisopod and Scizor both check Shiftry, High-Vis chansey destroys Octillery, and Steelix is stalled by Chansey if needed and outsped+oneshot by Camerupt
grave steppe
camerupt?
patent folio
I'm eepy
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got it
mostly wanted to make sure you weren't planning for the wrong battle somehow
patent folio
yeah no just mixed up camerupt and steelix lol
oh and sandshrew oneshots glaceon and crobat
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note: bring eerie impulse on chansey I think
patent folio
I did
worthy minnow
eepy impulse
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iirc octillery likes to hone sight on you
patent folio
does not surprise me
grave steppe
I don't recall what it looked like for me but it was an issue for me
patent folio
consider sleeping
I will before I do Raf
oh yeah I have pallosand now
nice emergency crobat answer
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nice yeah
kinda wonder whether it could answer octillery since grit activates on each barrage hit iirc
I wouldn't want to actually test that though
worthy minnow
now for the piece de resistance
worthy minnow
deadly neurotoxin
rugged kelp
patent folio
last guy is stunk, stones are mine
Sadly nothing to use the Ice stone on
Guess technically glaceon but
no
ok, so the plan is sharp beak shiftry takes out Bellossom turn one, and Sand tomb + dig into Ninetales kills consistently, which means Dug gets the eject pack
I'm guessing Oricorio will come in to replace bellossom, or maybe whims
if its the former, we go to vanillish/minior, later its golbat
grave steppe
do you want to go protect t1? Possible m. Ninetales goes for Shiftry and gilds your sharp beak
patent folio
Shiftry outspeeds but protect may still be wise for positioning reasons?
grave steppe
It preserves health, which lets it come in again later
patent folio
but I think t1 kill bella t2 retreat (move) or protect is better, depending on if shiftry gets hit
worthy minnow
when you say sand tomb you mean the pseudo sand tomb performed by Sapper on entry right
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And Snarl is sometimes great into oricorii + a. maro setups
patent folio
when you say sand tomb you mean the pseudo sand tomb performed by Sapper on entr...
yes
patent folio
And Snarl is sometimes great into oricorii + a. maro setups
plus that's fake out value
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but I think t1 kill bella t2 retreat (move) or protect is better, depending on i...
nooooo fae's that determined to get the bounty 
worthy minnow
t1 kill Bella
t2 retreat to a safehouse
t3 build an alibi
patent folio
hmm
yeah maybe protect t1 shiftry and dig dugtrio is best
then double kill t2, see where we end up
worthy minnow
is there a particular reason you're not head up about glaceon
is it the Jolteon/Sylveon lines being so attractive post surf?
patent folio
currently kinda have plans for both my eevees
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it's not clear if glaceon does things after this battle is the main thing I think, that plus the tremendous upside on other options
patent folio
so if I can build a line without Glace I'm quite happy without it
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(giganteon is also quite good if you have any tribal setups at all obviously)
patent folio
especially cause I have no hail synergy currently (not that brilliant flurry is bad)
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plus half the battle after the first two pokemon is smolder raves and weigh anchors
patent folio
so my biggest problem currently is looking to be dhelm
my only good option on this party for it is camerupt fire gem incinerate
so, vannilish is out and golisopod is in
bulky enough to switch in, hits decently hard with first impression, and stunning curl is good value
grave steppe
you can probably just wear down dhelmise with a few snarl hits or cold fronts or whatever if you're in position for it
grave steppe
the ideal is incinerate positioning, but that might be difficult
annoying is a thing yeah
patent folio
and currently if its staying on the field long term, vanillish loses basically all its value
so golisopod is a logical replacement
goddammit I forgot about connor
worthy lark
uh oh
worthy minnow
steering steering
worthy minnow
his leads I hope
patent folio
ah, yes
plan went off without a hitch
oh heck never seen his cut in dialogue before! Swords dance went off
but also who cares, scared out marowak
Whims dead
worthy minnow
patent folio
Ori's dead to 2 snarls
Dhelmise dies to the minior cold front follow up
Shields down
hmmmmmm i dunno if I win from this position
GG!
worthy minnow
still be careful
patent folio
both my mons outsped and it had 5 hp
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thankfully a. maro is slow as shit and has no prio
worthy minnow
lemon
patent folio
Lemon was mostly a tank
I'll upload video in a moment
Shiftry definetely put in work, both from being nuclear and giving minior cold front
grave steppe
oh hey the eject pack actually activated in the right order
patent folio
How do you mean?
grave steppe
there's been an issue in the past where th eject pack would activate first and then teh pokemon that came in would get the stat drop
patent folio
Oh funky
grave steppe
there were like
a lot
of eject pack issues
somewhere in my drive there's a bunch of testing documents that list all the bugs I found with it lol
patent folio
Anyhow in hindsight I did risk Camerupt to a 40% flinch there and should have given him a cloak to potentially avoid that if I had known
But otherwise quite happy with this line
worthy minnow
there's been an issue in the past where th eject pack would activate first and t...
not actually true
it just says that they got the stat drop, but checking the info screen reveals they didn't
worthy minnow
however this does interfere with -ate abilities, they often (?) don't trigger on an eject pack switch
grave steppe
from my old notes:
Eject Pack bugs: if you use it to swap you don’t trigger the switched-in Pokemon’s abilities, you don’t trigger hazards, and the switched-in Pokemon takes the stat drop and Life Orb recoil.
there was definitely something about it being weird about the stat drops too but I forget what it was and cba to look hard lol
patent folio
so something I have discovered (probably already known)
If you warp to Grouz from the cursed chamber in Rafael's gym, after Tamarind's call the rangers and Titanix will pop in from the ether
surreal bolt
Might be worth reproting
patent folio
Titanix down
worthy minnow
hu mungus
patent folio
Claydol makes it real fuckin easy
click ground gem leyline burst t1, swap to 2 dark types t2, profit
worthy minnow
is there a world in which you can one tap Titanix with leyline burst
worthy minnow
prankster jinx in singles is wild
surreal bolt
Omg cirno
patent folio
so I was doing meloetta
The usual form change to fighting type, then send in 3 ghost strats
It managed to hit my Mandibuzz and disable its own struggle
And then proceeded to use Eerie spell for the rest of the fight
patent folio
Same.
worthy minnow
probably make a #1397013165857833111 when you get the chance
patent folio
Will when I'm settled at work
patent folio
who were the big players here
Thinking on this more, Shiftry definetely had the biggest impact
Shiftry -> Minior -> Dugtrio -> Camerupt -> Golbat -> Golisopod, when accounting for tutoring
If we aren't considering tutoring then Minior maybe overtakes Shiftry, and Camerupt definetely overtakes Dugtrio. Dig just saved a life so it gets vslue
patent folio
<:BnuyPonder:1371756447091785871>
So
Turtonator with a physical fire move will encourage Illumise to click reflect. This allows Turtonator to click Flame Spikes twice for free. This severely limits Barbaracle and Malamar, and hurts Miltank as well (in my experience miltank rarely every clicks heal bell)
That's a slot.
worthy lark
THE TURT ‼️
patent folio
M!Mandibuzz is also gonna come along as a solid tank against Barbaracle and Miltank.
Golisopod is by far the best solution for Malamar, and can finish off any non-Barbar weakened mon with a silverpowder boosted first impression
Jacket Chansey is probably my best bet for Gourgeist, and can handle Raichu if it stays healthy.
patent folio
2 open slots. A solid Raichu answer would be nice.
Ferrothorn could maybe do it? Resists both stabs and can hit decently hard
Graveler probably does better if I had to guess, but not certain
Slots 5/6 may just be graveler and ferrothorn. Ferro pretty much always provides value and baits in gourgeist which is nice.
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graveler also gets to be not-a-graveler lol
patent folio
Oh is it a 35 evo? Pog
grave steppe
yea
patent folio
Yeah that helps
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note: Gourgeist has bullet seed and is very capable of taking out chansey
what I would probably do in your position is run rocky helmet ferrothorn (which also should be great vs Miltank) and Chansey and swap between them on geist to kill via chip
patent folio
Oh bloody hell that's physicall innit.
grave steppe
yep
patent folio
Ah yeah that's smart.
grave steppe
I think I always managed to just kill it via good positioning before, but after I abandoned attempt 3 and was messing around I discovered that that thing can be an absolute monster if you're not careful
worthy minnow
food poisoning
patent folio
Yeah Gourgeist is real scary.
patent folio
we
finally
home
Yezebruh is going down
@grave steppe do you have a video showing off the intellion ZoeBence sweep btw?
grave steppe
it's greninja
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mood lmao
patent folio
Anyhow yeah do you have a vid of it?
patent folio
nods
grave steppe
however, if you have m. mandi, you can just tailwind follow me bullshit
grave steppe
yeah
grave steppe
I'm not even sure if you need tailwind tbh; wise hunter is fucked up and evil for this
but it makes things safer because you don't have to worry about fracture from pteroflyte
grave steppe
the difficulty in getting giga drain and softboiled is honestly so annoying lol
yeah i think this setup looks okay for you
assume you checked the numbers on golem v raichu
you've got resistances so it should be fine but that spdef is spooky from what I remember
patent folio
I did, it was a tiny scary cause it got a few lightning dances off, but managed
grave steppe
ah I see
patent folio
had to stall the cow out of pp for heal bell and milk drink, but yez down
in hindsight that stall was totally unnecessary
didn't bother calcing if Ferro could handle a few bulldozes
it could
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yeah, miltank does like surprisingly little damage
patent folio
I've never processed this line before lmfao
worthy lark
neither. i first saw it in the lp. i think i don't usually pick the dialogue option that brings it up
its uh. a line.
patent folio
For sure
lil weird Tamarind
I can ship it cause its fictional people
Alright, time for a bit of adventurin
Claydol should be fairly easy to setup to oneshot Cobalion, so not worried about that
Dream Dance from Absol means it outscales Noble Roar, and Leyline burst being 8x super effective means bogo bucks damage
where's the free dusk stone?
Found it
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hilarious
I wish I had realized you could just oneshot avatars last time lol
not that cobalion is that scary anymore, but still LMAO
patent folio
1298!
Hardly a record, but get clapped
Scarf get
Alright, last fight before I can finally braindead money grind
Hat can get clowned by Scizor, likely switches to Blastoise
@worthy minnow for the record I stand corrected. Dugtrio has been real gamer since he evoled.
patent folio
yeah
now that I have uturns and retreat and golisopod in general, positioning it to take a kill is pretty free
worthy minnow
there's a reason I beat this entire mechanic with a hammer until it was dead
patent folio
Meowth for Meowth
worthy minnow
A soul for a soul…
patent folio
Grabbing Froakie
May grab Fennekin and just make this the Kalos run lmao (probably not though)
I perfectly have 4 stampede mons
so we can use the greninja sweep
Does mean I need to decide which Avalugg I want
worthy minnow
What sort of a hail core do you have?
patent folio
No setter, but I do have slush rush Purrserker and Ice Queen Jynx
H!Avalugg is a lot worse defensively, with one less resistance and 2 quads
but also hard hitting rock and ice is good role compression, especially since it can start to sweep
plus energy herb cryo sleep
hmm, by my calculations expert belt should be unnecessary
so I can cheri berry to simulate Bella's Fae veil, and wild card Mandibuzz will fulfill a similar role to cv steel Gigan
worthy minnow
H!Avalugg is a lot worse defensively, with one less resistance and 2 quads
worth considering the relative value of those quads as bait for the remaining doubles
worthy minnow
Good shit
patent folio
damn
sadly a lil too tight on time to do ZoeBence now
They'll have to wait for the evening
patent folio
Should be able to work out zoe and bence and maybe Noel today
May also just replicate last runs yez4 as well lol
Probably not without double checking my numbers.
grave steppe
reasonable tbh
Ferrothorn and Ursaluna actually give you a lot of leeway to make a different team, but also I would totally understand not wanting to try something new on that fight specifically
particularly since if you're using Ursaluna to counter Magnezone at all it becomes spooky thanks to Steel Beam
patent folio
Yeahhhhh I'm just gonna stick with my tried and true Dromerupt strat there I think
A lot more comfy
grave steppe
yeah definitely
ursaluna works better on the other two anyway (tough means it doesn't care about Haerobic or Regirock basically), but I have positioned it as a magnezone counter in the past
grave steppe
I typically just use a fire/ghost fwiw
basically anything that can blank body press and does decently against burn up and sublimate works, honestly; darm is very limited by only being able to do those once
patent folio
Yeah.
patent folio
alright ZoeBence down with a bit less clean of a line then Bella (seeing the meganium argument lol)
grave steppe
Meganium solves this sort of weird thing pretty cleanly yeah
it's honestly better for what it does against avatars than anything, but yeah this also comes up
(I've also designed lines for Samorn that use it to block Dawnfall Heat Wave in the past lol)
also not-insignificant that it gets Synthesis at like level 8 or so for every other grass-type (say Whimsicott) to use
patent folio
ugh mofo
at least it did its job, but fucked up and lost gren
2nd death of the run
forgot that birdkeeper had vacumn wave
grave steppe
oof
that being said tbh I don't think greninja ever came out of my box after bence & zoe lmao
so like, it's probably not the worst loss
patent folio
yeah its fine just bleh
grave steppe
yeah I know 
patent folio
grave steppe
I'm just in like perpetual it's okay, can we do it? should we still do it? we can still do it, it's fine. mode, assuming I'm not catastrophizing lol
shy stump
That fucking bird that I hate
patent folio
Impi down
patent folio
drampa guy stresses me out, and this also clears out the evo store
not much on the bottom side I need
grave steppe
bird keeper is fuckin scary
the gimmick is just what if every mon had the ability to randomly kill you
grave steppe
new curse! every move has a 5% chance of being Sheer Cold
yeah it's telling that I couldn't even cinccino that fight
Bird Keeper Kendall: Lead Life Orb Fast Attacker Cinccino. Rapid Hertz. Pulsar. Pulsar. Swap to Special Tank Leftovers Meganium on Golduck. Protect. Synthesis. Energy Ball. Energy Ball.
patent folio
Gonna wrap it for now, don't feel like grinding money and I'm sleep
patent folio
Now that time pressure is up, may take that break I was intending for a few days to recoup and play silksong
patent folio
forcing myself to take a break is hard y'all
I wanna get back to it but I know I need a breather lol
patent folio
will probably tommorow, at least do Noel since he's ezpz
patent folio
Alright, we getting back to it for a few hours today
grave steppe
noel time?
patent folio
Grinding time then noel gym time
patent folio
alright its go time
rugged kelp
Waddles!
surreal bolt
Pigyyyy
patent folio
made it to Noel
So the standard lead of Stoutland into switching to a Darm answer works well here
patent folio
ok, lets take down Noel
Blissey Stoutland core is incredibly solid here,
Need a good answer for Darm since its the one thing they cannot handle on their own, anything that takes fire fighting ice
grave steppe
rotom-h does do it
grave steppe
fair
patent folio
but I do want it for yez anyways...
so, rotom heat cause my box does not want to deal with that darm
what are those twats names
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.
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that's what I usually do lol
patent folio
Alright I snorked too close to the sun last night, but Noel is goin down!
Fraud cleaned up
Lets get Yezera sorted
Can straight up copy my last run since it was all guarenteed, just need to go buy whims
patent folio
Linoone and Absolus will clean up phase one of spiritomb, and my firing squad will take out the 2nd phase
Spiritomb down
Yezera preptime
ok, got most of it handled, but there is a bit of an issue, that being no volt switch or thunder cage for rotom
grave steppe
your party screen says volt switch
patent folio
that is the victory over her last time
grave steppe
ah
patent folio
I uploaded for self-reference
patent folio
Only guarenteed volt switch is Jolteon, also figment is an option