Emmi's Curselocke but in the cool kids channel

[worthy minnow]

Show us da boxes

[surreal bolt]

crazy

[patent folio]

Kinda thinking Ttar here?

[worthy minnow]

Or I guess CV would work if you have something with innate hazard immunity

How does ttar clear hazards? Terraform?

[patent folio]

Terraform yeah

[worthy minnow]

This is what Bella ended up packing for tournament

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Yea I know

Don't wanna copy it if I can avoid it

[worthy minnow]

Just reposting it for reference

Since you'll probably want to use a lot of the same core team building principles

[patent folio]

Not pictured: Unown and Appletun

Kind of considering Diancie for the lead?

[worthy minnow]

Have you picked up every single freebie? Like all your starters, both fossils, every gift, etc

[patent folio]

Not quite

I still have dragon egg, either G!Corsola or G!Farfetch'd, Eleig Stretch

[worthy minnow]

obviously not including "freebies" that require a bunch of challenging shit

urshifu is technically a freebie

[patent folio]

Tempest Realm technically, Oasis System,

So thihs whole time with the diancie lead, I've been stressing about its one bad matchup, that being Aegislash

...that's a Zoroark

[worthy minnow]

get pranked

wait why does Lambert have a ghost/steel type

[patent folio]

[worthy minnow]

Looks like all the gym leaders get one off-type mon

[patent folio]

X gets 2 shot, has no good switch in

Diancie gets a bit stunted so it may be worth switching to a dark type on the kinetic grip but idk

[worthy lark]

yeah iirc all of the tournament gym leaders get a sort of third type

[patent folio]

Elise gets Diamons Storm into Terraform'd

Alessa... is an issue

That swarm burst HURTS

I need to bring something that can switch in and oneshot it, taking a potential burst

[worthy minnow]

Does it still die if Victreebell absorbs it?

[patent folio]

Yes it would

But then I need to rbing Victreebell, who is uh

not great

Ho-Oh takes it fine, and can shoot a sacred fire to punish hard

Eifion gets up sun and a solarbeam but dies, I'll need a way to cancel that sun

Could be Tyranitar

[worthy minnow]

Sand burst as anti-weather tech is interesting

[patent folio]

Alternatively Hydreigon

[worthy minnow]

Eclipse is easier to dodge the downside of

[patent folio]

But I have less synergy for it

[worthy minnow]

What is the team looking like at this stage of planning

[patent folio]

Very loose

Diancie I feel quite confident in as a lead, Ho-Oh to counter Alessa and Zain

[worthy minnow]

And ttar as a hazard guy

[patent folio]

In theory yes

or just as a big dumb wall

Diancie takes 80% from Archeops band eq and oneshots it with diamond storm

[surreal bolt]

ttar is pretty cool here

[patent folio]

Zain I switch to Ho-Oh and toast it

[surreal bolt]

source: me, right now

[surreal bolt]

until samorn shows up lol

[patent folio]

Having Ttar also enables me to bring in Pteroflyte as a flex pick

+locket so it still disables items

decently confident in Diancie Ho-Oh Tyranitar core

That gives me a fairly drastic weakness to water, and unideal holes to grass and bug

Those need patching

Whimsicott patches water and grass fairly well, and cotton decoy gives it a lot of utility

Doesn't do well into Empoleon specifically thouhg

[grave steppe]

The gym leaders are actually triple-typed in the tournament

oh wait Luna already answered

[patent folio]

geez this is stressful

oh wait

Instead of Ttar I could run Serp

that gives the same bug weakness, but does drastically patch up the grass and water

Kind of considering Arclamor here? Does real well into Bence, Helena, and Eifion. Plus puts me at 3 radiant

Does very little into X or Samorn though...

[grave steppe]

You definitely don't need every Pokemon to do much against every single trainer (it would be really hard to do that)

does introduce some risk if you lose something, but then that's this entire tournament

[patent folio]

yeah

that's just sorta the game

Problem with Serperior is that it takes my Samorn weakness and swaps it for a Samorn and Eifion weakness. So tabling that I think

makes me very heavily consider Hydreigon

Allows Milotic to play hard, and works against both Samorn and Eifion a lot better, Eifion especially

this... may be the team?

[grave steppe]

the one thing making me question is here is a lack of steel-types

[patent folio]

yeah, I'm having that concern myself

May cv steel milo?

[grave steppe]

you may not need it, but getting free switches onto poison was helpful for me. may have been a factor with my particular team though; hard to say

milotic gets away with the crystal veil better than a lot of things

already has healing due to mending spring so doesn't need leftovers as much as most tanks

[patent folio]

problem is that gives me a fairly big issue with ground, my only resist/immune is Ho-Oh

[grave steppe]

are you running eclipse or levitate on hydreigon?

[patent folio]

but also its a bulky double intimidate steel type

Eclipse, to counter eifion and samorn's weather

[grave steppe]

ah

[patent folio]

they each only have one setter, and rely on it fairly heavily, so it feels like a good tech

[grave steppe]

I've literally never seen delphox setting sun come up, and I usually just ride out runerigus's weather

[patent folio]

but I could resolve it by running a weather move on someone else and swapping hydrei to a better mon

and potentially swapping Milo for a steel type as well (corvinight?)

[grave steppe]

corviknight would be really solid yeah

I like Milotic but it does have some role overlap with lumineon

[patent folio]

And Lumi is important for the Radiant tribe

and for being fast and hitting like a truck

oh I could roll compression here

Excadrill

Does pretty well into Samorn's team under sand, and a steel type that scares out poison

[grave steppe]

hm

the big issue there is that the two things that I usually need to dodge poison jab from are wornet and eelektross

[patent folio]

yeah

[grave steppe]

the former isn't weak and the latter has levitate

[patent folio]

...Bronzong?

[grave steppe]

bronzong is solid. might have some probelms with wornet but I think it should handle it okay?

[patent folio]

I'm thinking Locket

that way it completely stuffs both of them

[grave steppe]

and corviknight has the opposite issue vs eelektross, though there you might just bait it into nerfing itself

oh yeah room is probably something the AI isn't prepared for

[patent folio]

hurts my team decently bad though, lumineon and arclamor don't like puzzle room at all

May be worth it though

[grave steppe]

presumably your goal under puzzle room is to put it up and ride out something bad with kinetic grip and such?

[patent folio]

yeah pretty much

maybe also give it eclipse to disable weather

[grave steppe]

or just give you a compltely safe switch to something that lets you heal and reposition

if anything gets eclipse it's bronzong

you can also just like use it as a phasing tool that way

[patent folio]

yeah

I think that's the play

Toolbox locket Bronzong

Last slot needs to be fairly particular

I have a weakness to electric and psychic here

[worthy minnow]

do those five get you a tribe bonus

[patent folio]

no, I'm one off

so it'll need a wild card

[worthy minnow]

or it could just be radiant itself

[surreal bolt]

or... a mon belonging to the tribe

[patent folio]

yeah so I have exactly one radiant mon left

and I'm not bringing Pincurchin

[worthy minnow]

Are you not concerned about the uncovered ghost weakness

[surreal bolt]

you could do canyon for a titanix

[patent folio]

Titanix would be optimal

[patent folio]

Not terribly, but it'd be nice to patch it

[surreal bolt]

wait

is drillers required for eleki

[patent folio]

damn, rotom would have been perfect

[surreal bolt]

YOU COULD DO ULTRA LAINIE

[patent folio]

that

that does patch up psychic and ghost

and is kind of a unit

and is radiant

but also

ultra lainie

is

horrifying

[surreal bolt]

listen

it would be iconic

[patent folio]

that team is

horrifying

as good as necrozma would be

I don't htink

[grave steppe]

yeah I would not do ultra lainie lol

[patent folio]

I can handle that

[grave steppe]

that was one of the hardest things to plan for in fixed encountesr only

hell, that was the only team besides the finale the dumb stupid darkrai cheese team actually had trouble with on dev

[surreal bolt]

Idk i think you can do it with some careful sacs

[patent folio]

and its not so signifigantly better than tyranitar that I'd be willing to risk everything

Is there a lead that kills both her mons..?

[surreal bolt]

Prism armor
Much better bulk
prismatic laser

[patent folio]

Also an item

[surreal bolt]

Her team is terrified of ghosts

[patent folio]

but at the cost of turning off other items

[grave steppe]

I cinccinoed lunala I'm pretty sure; not sure about leo

[patent folio]

I could do Mass Destruction Obstagoon

[surreal bolt]

More like mass explosion

Might be the strat

[patent folio]

that does kill both without an item, but does scare out Lunala

[surreal bolt]

Maybe next to sash plusle?

[patent folio]

don't have a Plusle

but Pachi maybe

[grave steppe]

does lunala factor in shadow shield?

[patent folio]

No, but it also doesn't factor in Hooligan

[grave steppe]

can you just stick in a heart of justice mon

[patent folio]

so it goes even pretty sure

[patent folio]

cobalion????

[grave steppe]

or any of them I mean but yeah

give yourself an attack boost and skip one recoil hit

[patent folio]

I say Cobalion cause it scares Slurpuff and Houndom

[grave steppe]

makes sense to me

hmm, wondering about terrakion actually. cobalion kinda lacks offensive presence otherwise

[patent folio]

yeah that's true

I was thinking stab slash from Obstagoon ngl XD

[grave steppe]

wait it gets follow me. support mon?

[patent folio]

Is mass destruction normal recoil move or a mist burst type move?

[grave steppe]

mist burst iirc

[patent folio]

excellent

[grave steppe]

uhh

actually hold up

[patent folio]

so I can do the divisable by 4 and cado strat

gonna test

[grave steppe]

I think it's normal recoil but for each target?

[surreal bolt]

Pretty sure thats it yea

[grave steppe]

now for a silly tech

[patent folio]

Its normal recoil

[grave steppe]

you could lead cobalion and do natural protection if you're worried about taking too much recoil

[patent folio]

TRUE

[grave steppe]

(this is a move that does have legitimate use cases . . . it's just so very niche)

[patent folio]

I've used it a few times this runb

once against uhhh

it was one of the thicket avatars

Bronzong I think?

[surreal bolt]

Stunfisk?

[grave steppe]

makes sense yeah

or uh

stunfisk makes sense, also muk

[patent folio]

stunfisk was it

I skipped Muk

[grave steppe]

I know my big moment for was the avatar of darkrai in the past actually

[patent folio]

[surreal bolt]

ULTRA LAINIE

[patent folio]

Fuck it we are doint this I guess

Need to gather the lights first

[surreal bolt]

Theres a list on the wiki

[worthy minnow]

I'm actually pogging out

Nuzlocke Ultra Lainie

[patent folio]

If I'm nervous

I could also do No Hope Jellicent switch to a HoJ to ensure Lunala dies

[grave steppe]

Remember that you also gotta plan regular Lainie btw

[patent folio]

Yeah I know

Just less nervous about that pne

[grave steppe]

Fair lol

[patent folio]

They aren't a back to back right?

[grave steppe]

I just remember that fight also being hard

No

[patent folio]

I get time to heal and stuff

Ok good

[grave steppe]

Lainie at the beginning then a mini-gauntlet then ultra lainie

mini-gauntlet's not too bad but is worth stink bombing if you still have some (plus you could get one from the muk avatar)

[patent folio]

BRUH

So power lock Jellicent

[grave steppe]

hilarious

and then switch out to cobalion t1?

[patent folio]

Yeah

Or maybe Terrakion, depends on who I'm more scared of

[grave steppe]

reasonable

solgaleo isn't scared out by m jelli right

[patent folio]

It can't switch

[grave steppe]

Oh it's also trapped?

[patent folio]

20 points of investment at 120 base attack beats 10 points of investment at 125 attack

[grave steppe]

Nice

[patent folio]

159 vs 147

[worthy lark]

pog

[patent folio]

13 lights gathered

time to fight the archfriend

slurpuff blissey lead doesn't seem too spooky

but need to be careful of the houndom in the back

[patent folio]

Got distracted by the Hunger™ and also making an Archipelago thing but we back!

I was actually missing one!

"Your friend will be very happy! You should visit her in her nice house"

So, Archfriend Lainie

She jumps you the second you go in the house right? No way to cleanly xray her?

[worthy lark]

correct

you can decline the fight but oyu get kicked back outside

[patent folio]

nods

makes planning this slightly more annoying for me, since I process those better than damage calculator, but that's fine

this shouldn't be too bad

so.\

Energy Herb Rail Cannon Cobalion.

not gonna lie

somewhat considering double sword lead here (cobalion terrakion)

[worthy minnow]

gigachad stuff

[patent folio]

those 2 kinda stunt on her whole team except Zang

and both learn Seer Strike! So uh yeah

that works lmfao

oh wait Gastro

ok so I have 4 slots for pivots and handling Gastro

...ok so it'd be REALLY funny if I bring Virizion to handle Gastrodon

It wouldn't even be a good answer cause Rindo

[grave steppe]

as soon as I catch this pokemon I can go into debug and get the shot for you

[patent folio]

was gonna regular catch cobalion

but then it clicked swords dance and decided "yeah master ball sounds good"

[grave steppe]

for future reference
bring cv ghost stoutland and numb then charm it into -12 attack and then you can do whatever you want with balls

[patent folio]

yeah I figured that out in post, but didn't think about it at the time

was like "oh its 30 levels below maniklaw will be fine"

[grave steppe]

fair lol

I have been PARANOID about wild encounters since I saw that explosion, and again after I saw spiritomb kill those yamasks

[patent folio]

understandable XP

dude was like "NO WE ARE COMING WITH YOU"

[patent folio]

If you could (and ultra lainie for pre-prep) I'd be quite grateful

[patent folio]

cheers!

hi Lik

ok but where does she get the Saurenaid between fights

[grave steppe]

necrozma picked him up because he was light

[patent folio]

Like Solgaleo and Lunala I get that's Necroz shit

But does it just like... steal Maxie for a few minutes?

[grave steppe]

now imagining necrozma hanging out in samorn's wheelchair

I guess Lainie just has more pokemon friends hanging out in her house?

[patent folio]

makes enough sense

ok

so if all goes well, 5 of these mons will be taken care of by the leads

Dewgong is here for clapping gastro, Glossoteri is an emergency Scarapace answer, AplBlossom for Houndom, and Maniklaw for Zang

updated actually

oh fuck, wait one moment

forgot to spec cobalion

That could have gone poorly!

[worthy lark]

btw sidenote but i think the fact that a nuzlocker is feeling motivated to attempt a difficult optional sidequest to get help with the tournament feels like. cool and good? it's a really interesting balancing act and i can't think of something like it in many other lockes

[patent folio]

yeee for sure!

Ok, blissey down, Gastro replaced Lik and is down to 50%

i think this is not going as expected

Its going bettter

[grave steppe]

it shows that we (a) have good rewards to do that kind of thing (b) honestly, probably that there isn't so much unnecessary risk that it feels bad to do anything

[patent folio]

ah fuck

so that could have been consistent, but I fucked up a calc

wait, damn nvm that's just a problem for me lol

fight won, rest in peace terrak

[grave steppe]

oof

[patent folio]

Fuckin Scarapace survived Rockalanche at 5 hp cause of spread penalty and clocked him

[worthy lark]

oof

[grave steppe]

ah

[patent folio]

and because of my speed tie on the swords I didn't get to kill it since Cobalion went first

[grave steppe]

would life orb have changed the outcome? for future attempt reference

[patent folio]

probably? May have fucked up team order a bit

But zang mach punch only does 50% or so so it should be fine

[grave steppe]

reasonable. (just taking notes for future attempts etc)

[patent folio]

Alternatively you could give Cobalion any spread move

The 2 mons that were out were sent to sash (hound) and at 10ish hp (scara)

so Swift or Stellarate from Cobalion would do the job

that loss sucks, but its far from the biggest deal in the world. I have other strong rocks and other strong fighting

[grave steppe]

yeah, and one or two (or three frankly if you trade for g. rapidash) heart of justice mons

you only need one for chara

[patent folio]

Terrak also wasn't my key player into Ultra Lainie, was plannin to bring Coba or Viri to ultra

or horse...

[grave steppe]

horse

[patent folio]

https://tenor.com/view/bojack-horseman-bojack-horseman-horsin-around-real-life-gif-11502179417073690102

huh. my fighting types have been getting skill issued

also damn, up to row 4

oh

I only have one/two (virizion) fighting types

oh well and Garfetch'd

nvm I'm fine

[worthy minnow]

so why are you doing this again

[patent folio]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-necrozma-music-happy-psychic-gif-16841857775336794816

[worthy minnow]

just want a bulky dark type?

[patent folio]

Its radiant, so it doesn't need a Wild Card, and it patches my teams hole to ghost and psychic

[worthy minnow]

Ah, radiant bulky dark type

[patent folio]

and also its stupid bulky

[worthy minnow]

Big fat rock

It's like if tyranitar was cool instead of just being a cone

[patent folio]

don't hate on my boy Gromp!

some development in progress

but I'm confident in the core of the idea, the only mon I see being potentially fully replaced is Bronzong

and even that is unlikely

for context this is the tourney team rn

Ok, fairy tale girl Madeline Celeste up first

Dog ain't too bad, that can just be cobalion'd, which probably/definetely baits in Chimecho

Ho-oh clocks gran-bull fantasy

Melmetal defeats Toxapex (outspeeds and does 66% with DIB, with flinch chance)

lets gio

ezpz

why is Lainie's couch sad

[shy stump]

:(

[grave steppe]

:(

[patent folio]

gotta say, I find this gardener just rocking the 50% accuracy M!Zang real funny

Go off kingf

you may have missed twice but I believe in you

[patent folio]

oh I see

funny flower

so counter weather, lets lead with a setter ourselves

[grave steppe]

if you underspeed you overwrite sunflora right? though i imagine that's pretty hard

[patent folio]

don't have an auto setter I don't think

[grave steppe]

mismagius, but it's hella fast

[patent folio]

iron ball mismag?

[grave steppe]

oh!

that might work

[patent folio]

61 vs 67

[patent folio]

ended up being a bit tougher than I expected

Didn't think the AI was so eager to keep its weather up!

but, we made it through the gauntlet deathless

oh god its 11:30 I have work in 8.5 hours

[grave steppe]

nice

oh uh go to bed then thouhg

[patent folio]

yeah bed sounds good

why do they call it bed when its so good

[patent folio]

So

Jellicent+Obstagoon lead completely clowns Solgaleo and Lunala

[patent folio]

Emmi obtained Necrozma!

[worthy lark]

[patent folio]

It wasn't painless

But we did it

an entirely planned death, and a sacrifice for momentum

One sidequest remains.

[worthy lark]

oh switching a trapper into heart of justice with mass destruction is tight as shit

ajf;lkj the surf exclusively hitting Lik

[patent folio]

:D

Few notes here: Normal Gem probably would have saved Pteroflytes life here (assuming that works with All for One's slash, dunno why it wouldn't but)

And Dual chop should have been Dragon Pulse

[surreal bolt]

this is awesome

[patent folio]

@surreal bolt if its not too much trouble, could you post the avatar of Diancie

[worthy lark]

not lily but i'm here

#-------------------------------
[DIANCIE]
Ability = CLEARBODY
Moves1 = ROCKALANCHE,ENCHANTINGSONG,EMPOWEREDPOWERGEM,PRIMEVALSUNSHINE
Moves2 = DIAMONDFORCE,FLAMETHROWER,EMPOWEREDPOWERGEM,PRIMEVALINGRAIN
Moves3 = DIAMONDSTORM,WOODHAMMER,EMPOWEREDPOWERGEM
HPMult = 12.0
DMGMult = 1.33
#-------------------------------

empowergem

[surreal bolt]

thanksu

[patent folio]

Cheers!

Is primeval ingrain just ingrain+grass type or?

[worthy lark]

Uhhhh fuck I just went to bed so I can't easily check

[grave steppe]

give me like five minutes to check

[patent folio]

Doesn't seem... too bad?

The damage mult is scary but if I can get through the first turn and dizzy her it should be alright.

[grave steppe]

oops I just forgot about checking
but yeah it's literally just ingrain

[worthy lark]

Interesting. Most primeval moves add a bit extra on top

[worthy minnow]

it heals 1/6 HP

which is kinda a lot

[grave steppe]

it says 1/4 but iirc it's not really that much because avatar health bars are weird

so I thinik it's 1/4 of the original health bar, without the multiplier

(and probably has to be so you can't lose just by being unable to do enough damage)

[patent folio]

Yuck. So that's gonna need offense to kill it.

Biggest problem here is the clear body, but if I can skill swap or dizzy that, I think it'll be fine.

Oh... idea

I'll need to test it on a weaker avatar first, but skill swap normalize into ghost gang.

[worthy minnow]

delcatty the goat

[patent folio]

Are abilties changes cured between phases is the question though

[patent folio]

If anyone wants to do me a huge favor, could you test if ability changes are cured between avatar phases?

[worthy minnow]

gonna try to check rq

ability changes are apparently cured

at a minimum, normalize stops applying

i tried your exact strategy

[patent folio]

Heard.

So cv ghost entrainment delcatty.

I think the plan is cv ghost normalize entrainment delcatty, M!Jellicent (punishes ingrain, gets chill and charm), and Aegislash (setup for the kill)

[surreal bolt]

note that uh

struggle

[patent folio]

I know, that's why I am packing charm.

[surreal bolt]

struggle is adaptive

also doesnt it primeval laser focus or am i confusing it with another fucker

[worthy minnow]

wait no this is on dev

sorry for the disinfo i actually reworked it lol

[patent folio]

Reworked what

[patent folio]

No it sunshines and ingrains.

[patent folio]

And also yea, this is why we chill

[worthy minnow]

the diancie avatar is different on dev

deleted my post because it might confuse you and cause issues

[patent folio]

Ah ok. So no laser focus or anythin, what Luna posted is accurate?

[worthy minnow]

yehaw

yeah on dev it has magic bounce lol

[patent folio]

Gross, I love it.

[worthy lark]

i wasn't even sure it was reworked i just made sure to grab the PBS from live. phew

[patent folio]

Yeah woo

[surreal bolt]

el woowoo?

[patent folio]

I wonder if I can justify running finalize on Necrozma...

Or power herb meteor beam.

[worthy minnow]

power herb meteor beam seems pretty straightforward yeah

[surreal bolt]

this made me realise something

[worthy minnow]

do remember that the tourney is singles, so meteor beam isnt quite as appealing

[patent folio]

Yeah

[patent folio]

Oh?

[surreal bolt]

#1408877570740588674

[patent folio]

Aha

[patent folio]

Wait why?

If anything that makes it more appealing.

[worthy minnow]

more incentives to switch

just a difference of perspective there i guess

[patent folio]

I feel like its a lot easier to setup sweep in singles cause you can't be doubled into.

[worthy minnow]

probably true

[patent folio]

Generally you do wanna switch more but since the enemy has less options you can spend more turns clicking funny power up move.

[worthy minnow]

so the plan is to get diancie, then what

[patent folio]

Then... prep the team.

Triple check it, make sure I have an out for every mon I can. Solidify a plan for Zain as well as I can.

Check it a 4th time

Probably have a mental breakdown.

Then go.

[worthy minnow]

so the team is what? diancie, necrozma, ttar...?

[surreal bolt]

diancie, ho-oh, bronzong, lumineon, necrozma, someone i forgot

arclamor

[patent folio]

Some refinement needs to go into this, especiallt on the bottom row

Diancie holds an Assault vest more than likely, so its ward presses are hyper nuclear, though I am somewhat considering giving it rocks of its own over earth power.

[worthy minnow]

are you trying to outspeed something specific on that diancie

[patent folio]

Ho-Oh is locked in copy of @grave steppe

[patent folio]

Incineroar.

Not convinced its worth it yet, but it helps so I wigled it for now.

[worthy minnow]

makes sense

[patent folio]

Lumineon is probably moving over to the Saturater Loaded Dice build

Its also the designated sacrifice in most situations.

(The situation it isn't is if Samorn is already defeated)

Arclamor may change over to a bulky kee or sitrus build with thunderstruck

Bronzong is a dedicated solution for poison types, specifically Samorn's Wornet and certain other mons like Mamoswine

Necrozma I'm not fully certain of yet, but its very bulky, hits hard, and seems like it can be a really good setup sweeper.

[patent folio]

May not even run Geyser.

Depends on if I need extra insurence on electric types with Blackout or not.

Oh god it gets cosmic power.

So like meteor beam, photon/blackout, rising power, cosmic power?

[worthy minnow]

fucked up tbh

[patent folio]

With like lefties or something

[worthy minnow]

power herb

[surreal bolt]

thats evil

[worthy minnow]

because of meteor beam right

[patent folio]

Yeah probably.

This set fundimentally would need healing though

[worthy lark]

if you're running a slow tanky setup build you imght be able to afford the charge turn on meteor beam

[patent folio]

Could cut meteor beam for sweet selene or something, or rising power

[worthy minnow]

necrozma does not get sweet selene, looks like

[patent folio]

Gets it at lvl1

[worthy minnow]

oh wtf

i am blind

[surreal bolt]

lmao

[patent folio]

May instead of cosmic run iron defense

But not sure about that, probably worse.

Just feel like with radiant and

Actually nvm that's only base 89

Cosmic power it shall be.

...it does get calm mind

So this is probably not what we are actually doing.

But like

Its funny.

[worthy lark]

lmao

[patent folio]

And depending on how much anti-setup tech tourney has, it may be adapted.

Otherwise probably gonna do the power herb geyser coverage selene set.

Aside from Lambert (lol) and Bence, setup matches pretty well here.

I should pack stamp down on someone.

This is also a first glance over, so.

No vigorous calcs.

[grave steppe]

note that I invested spdef instead of def, though I don't think that should actually matter much so long as you definitely have a plan for the hard-hitting special things

[patent folio]

Aegislash solos sawsbuck lady lmao

[grave steppe]

LOL

(a few things solo her actually; I think durant and maybe atlacross?)

[patent folio]

ok, made it to the tunnels

cooked up the heat for this Crobat

Operation oneshot this crobat

uh Maidenpink

bad timing

[patent folio]

oh uh

oops

I forgot to change aggrons ability...

[worthy minnow]

bro died to recoil

[patent folio]

oopie....

[worthy minnow]

did he die to pure recoil damage lmao

[patent folio]

bro didn't even finish the job

[patent folio]

he did 700 damage

[worthy minnow]

LMAO

[patent folio]

so uh

yeah

uh

oops

I feel really bad about that

what's behind rubarior?

made it to Diancie

[worthy minnow]

hell yeah

smoke her

[patent folio]

will try. Scary though

[patent folio]

Ok, so the plan here is to oneshot the thing

[grave steppe]

incredibly based

I will say, I just did that to the avatar of tangrowth, and it looked a lot cleaner and safer than I had imagined -- plus you have three mons for a setup instead of two and that should simplify things

[grave steppe]

it's level 55 btw

[patent folio]

oh even easier

x12 hp multi means I shouldn't need too much

A few swords dances, a waterlog from delcatty, and a screech or 2

[grave steppe]

you have three Pokemon; might as well throw out three

[patent folio]

yeah

[grave steppe]

note that rockalanche fracture is going to be an issue, though you're doing enough damage you might just not care

[patent folio]

nope

entrainment delcatty

[worthy minnow]

lol

[patent folio]

it will only click struggle and Empi power gem

[grave steppe]

ahhh

[patent folio]

which is why I am bringing a persim on aegi

[grave steppe]

makes sense makes sense

does it have recycle or something to do it again?

or honestly you might just pack a heal bell on something

[patent folio]

I may just bring heal bell delcatty yeah

In saying that, frees me up for steel gem for MORE DAMAGE

but dealing with this things later stages sounds like a lot

there we go

wait, ability adjust!

6,225 DAMAGE WOOOOO

The crown is mine

All the pieces are in place

and it only came at the cost of 4 innocent souls

[worthy minnow]

https://youtu.be/kLvGB3Ol2p4

what I hear when the avatar takes 6225 damage

so that's all six

[patent folio]

yep

I'm gathering some things now, but then we are on to the polishing phase

[worthy minnow]

how many figments do you have? And will you need to do encounter cleanup in order to complete your movesets?

[patent folio]

2, and not sure

there we go

[rugged kelp]

Kinda feels weird only 3 gyms aren’t represented in the tournament

But the ones that aren’t make sense
Noel is chill
Rafael doesn’t wanna be here
Victoire has a business

[patent folio]

I wonder if I can tech in skyfall on Bronzong

[grave steppe]

victoire also mysteriously disappears after you beat the avatar of deoxys in a way that makes it seem like she doesn't want to be there

[patent folio]

hmmm

Bella what do you think on Wall of Sound

I'm not fully convined but I think dark allure belch leppa works well, but may just pass on it for a more versatile set

[grave steppe]

I have honestly never used it

might be decent if you just want to push a lot of damage

[patent folio]

that's kinda what arc is there for, I feel

[grave steppe]

which is probably arclamor's job, right

yeah

[patent folio]

Sadly there's no Overdrive in this game, so i can't triple up and keep my electric move, but

shoutouts to Stonjourner man

Saved me 2 figments already

so Bronzong

Am I more scared of hazards or weather

almost certainly hazards...?

Alternatively could forget Numb and prepare for both, since both are present and threatening, but then my only status is sacred fire burns

Which may be a good thing so I don't forget about Lunus berries

[patent folio]

Oh damn

got jumped while crossing the broken bridge

wait

nvm diff area

we good

alright necrozma, lets sneak up and bag this deer

they hunger

[worthy lark]

...that is not ever where an apostrophe goes in the word "its"

[patent folio]

wait wth yeah lol

Thoughts on galarian corsola vs. farfetch'd

Being you are SURROUNDED BY LIGHT

you cannot complain

[worthy minnow]

G.Farfetch'd can turn into a few things because it's fighting type

Hmm you do still have to plan for finale

What encounters/trades do you still have available?

[patent folio]

Horse, eleig stretch

crumbling, a few of the regi dungeons actually

probably some other stuff

Magikarp/Feebas

[worthy minnow]

Any interest in the Cresselia angle for finale?

[patent folio]

Emmi Obtained Phione!

[patent folio]

Its an option, will use it if I can't find a better/personal angle

[worthy minnow]

Cause eventide would get you Cress + an encounter

for the low low cost of two former champions

[patent folio]

want to avoid doing it beat for beat cause at that point I'm not playing as much

[worthy minnow]

Yeah I'm just thinking of the endgame legendaries

Cause seeing you do the optional content for power boosts is fun I cannot lie

There is probably a world in which you do Tri Island for Articuno specifically, since Aurora Flash is a crazy move

Could probably do Candy's quest for UBs? Though it's a completely random roll which one you get, and Clarion UBs sound fucking terrifying

[patent folio]

clarion ub is not happening

that is a death sentence

Candy is up to the point before ub's

Anyhow, Eifion and Imogenes are set up to be completed

[worthy minnow]

Imogene gets you a free ditto and a mew with a cost

Eifion gets you manaphy which honestly I have kinda convinced myself that eviolite Phione is superior

But I don't think he does a little showdown so it's a free finish

[worthy lark]

No you do have a final fight with eifion

bro how are you gatekeeping the ancient sea water it's literally all around us rn

[worthy minnow]

Yeah I'll be 100% real with you eviolite Phione is better than doing a showdown with Eifion

Swap that bitch in on a defensive wall and you've got yourself a monster

shuckle but with eviolite, a real HP stat, and aqua ring

[grave steppe]

tbf, like, throw three mons you don't mind dying in front and toss a master ball before getting the hell out seems like a decent option

might do that myself

[patent folio]

that is true

[patent folio]

part of it is that Eifion is my teal

[worthy minnow]

Ohhhh

So there's a showdown either way

[patent folio]

yea

[grave steppe]

yeah

always optimal to do the uncursed one

. . . you know there's that one black belt underneath the waterfall; I might have to stink bomb that guy

(my crimson is eifion too)

[worthy minnow]

Still I hold that eviolite Phione might be worthy of consideration here

[patent folio]

If I use it, maybe

[grave steppe]

it's a viable tactic on the another possibles at least

they're kinda fucks to get through sometimes

[patent folio]

wow Skyler is yuck

anyways, poll time!

who gets shinied!

I'm leaning toward Necrozma or Bronzong

[grave steppe]

necrozma feels like the obvious pick given that it's the unique one and the one you went through the most work to get

[patent folio]

fym stabbing that diancie in the stomach took a lot of energy

but yeah don't disagree

its done

[worthy minnow]

show us the shiny sprites of Necrozma and Bronzong

[worthy lark]

blu

[worthy minnow]

Although I am partial to dark diancie I have to admit

[patent folio]

I really like the dark rocks, but I dislike the pink shirt

[worthy minnow]

METHYLENE BLUE STRIKES AGAIN

[patent folio]

and for context of the rest of the party

[worthy minnow]

a dope one for sure

[worthy minnow]

meh

[worthy minnow]

I vote against Bronzong and Arclamor

[patent folio]

why you not like the pretty green bell?

[worthy minnow]

piss green shiny

[patent folio]

Its rusted!

[worthy lark]

this is rude to my friend espeon

[tardy drum]

[worthy minnow]

And if I had to pick one I'd probably go with Necrozma because the color change is pretty striking on the back sprite and also the Ultra Lainie side quest is an iconic part of the run

[worthy lark]

agreed

agreened

[patent folio]

ok bedtime for me

[worthy lark]

goonai!

[patent folio]

Tommorow either the tournament is getting crushed, or I'm being sent back to Casaba.

[worthy minnow]

lfg

[patent folio]

Considering adapting tox to a general use set so I have a mon to use clear smog.

[surreal bolt]

This is so hype

[surreal bolt]

its tem

[patent folio]

X is dead

so are Arclamor and Necrozma

[worthy minnow]

[patent folio]

Lost to Alessa on fight 4

[worthy lark]

o7

[worthy minnow]

o7

[surreal bolt]

x's mimikyu fucked you up

[worthy minnow]

x really gave it to em

[patent folio]

Lost Arclamor and Necrozma to X

Lost Lumineon and Bronzong to Bence

Lost Ho-Oh and Diancie to Alessa

New nuzlocke record: round 4 of tournament

[surreal bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/bernard-cribbins-salute-doctor-who-wilfred-mott-gif-1889273445719788223

[stoic junco]

Was fun to watch

I'm not sure, but Ho-Oh getting waterlogged also resulted in one of your Pokémon dying, didn’t it?

[patent folio]

Neutral

probably would have had to sack anyways

[stoic junco]

Also I learned something something very useful : wasn't aware we could use the X-ray during fights 🙂‍↕️

[surreal bolt]

its a 3.3 thing

[stoic junco]

I was trying to remember moves, items and abilities before each fight

🥺

[patent folio]

Resting for now, but we'll get back in the saddle for attempt 14 on Monday or Tuesday

[normal bison]

was wondering why I saw the stream happened but not a party showcase

[patent folio]

[normal bison]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-gif-25206571

[rugged kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-review-kitty-review-review-bnuuy-unspeakable-violence-gif-13433853095718556464

[surreal bolt]

;-;

[patent folio]

I made a small misplay against X (thought Charge Tbolt would oneshot Mimikyu, but it didn't because of puzzle room) and it spiraled from there. Caused me to need to sack Necrozma and Arclamor

Which led to Lumineon and Bronzong dying to Bence due to lack of options (one sack would probably still be needed here)

And then Alessa's Swampert swept me.

Fundimentally, I think the team was solid but not perfect, and X needed a bit more precision

But! I'm optimistic. This was a new record for me, and proved I have what it takes to get here.

I can do this.

https://tenor.com/view/celeste-celeste-game-determined-determination-gif-23445028

Plus! I have a ton of consistency strats for the lategame now

If I can get past Raf in a run, I can get back to tournament. I'm confident in that

[surreal bolt]

climb that mountain gurlll

[patent folio]

Like. I have a fixed encounters yez5, a fixed encounter yez4, 75/25 Samorn

Fixed ZoeBence, fixed Noel

And Fixed Eko

My main choke points are Helena, Raf, and Yez2&3 currently. Plus I need to hash out a good strategy for Victoire, although I'm confident that one exists.

Feel like Drago may be a good bring into tournament.

[tardy drum]

NOOOOOOOO

Emmi ↩️

[Reply to:](#1388322629559255050 message) And then Alessa's Swampert swept me.

[patent folio]

well I'm bk'd in the archi

so run may be starting back up sooner than expected XD

[worthy lark]

lmao

[grave steppe]

bked?

and sorry I wasn't awake for this; shame that the run had to end like that

[surreal bolt]

Burger king

[normal bison]

burker ging

[worthy lark]

Burger King mode: you can't get any new checks until other people progress in their games so you may as well go order some burger king to pass the time

[patent folio]

all good!

At dnd and have no archipelago to play

my progress is behind the gourmet race

So! Lamb is going down

dude's gettin styled on twice in a day

woo

[surreal bolt]

Seedo ❤️

[grave steppe]

That's . . . interesting

[patent folio]

For sure

complete anti-weather

[grave steppe]

I'm not a huge fan of Shiftry but it's very interesting into Samorn

albeit completely unreplicable

[patent folio]

Alright taking the Bella strat of saving windyt

[grave steppe]

👀

gotta see how it goes

I will say there's a sick Ho-oh/Ampharos/Lugia if you somehow roll it caretaker team into the tournament there somewhere

I have a team structure I think I like that caretaker doesn't fit into so I haven't planned anything with it, but if you get a sheep run you might try making it work

(Meganium also fits into that structure like a glove ftr. Gen 2 gaming)

[patent folio]

I scream U scream We all scream

[grave steppe]

nice

Vanillish is actually decent in early game from what I've found

Ice/Fairy typing is good into a lot of random early trainers and such

[patent folio]

Can actually try this guy out now! Will miss Toxtric but this'll be nice

[worthy minnow]

agree

should the ice cream shop have a different backsplash

[patent folio]

wiffed on Honedge so is it worth rolling Casaba grass..?

[grave steppe]

Ftr I had no ghost types on three runs vs Lambert and still perfected him

So it's not necessary

Does depend on how good your box is though I think

[surreal bolt]

A ghost is less important for lambert but moreso for yez1 imo

That whismur will sweep you

[patent folio]

will save it for after vigo then

[grave steppe]

I uhhh I think I actually used vanillish on whismur

Chill + spdef

[patent folio]

NOODLE RUN!

[grave steppe]

(this is another reason why steenee is good; it just beats whismur)

[worthy minnow]

Da noodler

[grave steppe]

SNEK

if you have steenee there's a sick three-mon strat into Eko with Onix and Basculin also

[patent folio]

Nah went with Numel

[grave steppe]

I have to actually post my old attempt 4 videos at some point

[grave steppe]

Oh I meant just like I remembered that I javen't posted about the data

[patent folio]

ahhhh

[grave steppe]

I have been bounsweet-pilled and I think it's really cool that bounsweet is actually good and now I'm making it everyone else's problem

[worthy minnow]

It's actually very cool that bounsweet is good now

[patent folio]

Yeee

[worthy minnow]

personally I think all it took was making the late game gift not a free encounter so I'm glad we suggested that

[patent folio]

I'm just comfy with Numel

Snake nabbed

[grave steppe]

I think not being obviously good into Eko or Yez I was also an issue tbh; at least it was for me

Finding strats for that suddenly means you're not just going -1 useful encounter for the hard early fights

[worthy minnow]

But I think it being free prevented effort going into it to justify it

[grave steppe]

This is true

[patent folio]

yeah pretty true

[grave steppe]

Comfy with Numel is a good counterpoint though; Numel is quite good

[patent folio]

done water last few times, so doing bluepoint grass

[grave steppe]

Probably still the best starter tbh just because fire/ground/unfazed solves a bunch of stuff

[grave steppe]

but I think Rotom-H fits the Magnezone counter so we're not locked into Numel for a guaranteed Yez 4 out anymore

[patent folio]

SANDY

GIVE SANDY

[grave steppe]

No contest here

Do it

[patent folio]

doing it

alrightr

this makes flowers optimal I think

[grave steppe]

there's uses for all the grass mons but yeah

hm

if this run isn't The Run™ I might do that mysel

more chance at a fairy into Lambert, Elektrike is real good but (a) 25% chance (b) we have other routes into beating Yez IV, I'm not super high on pidgey

[patent folio]

same on pidgey

it has not convinced me

[grave steppe]

it feels like . . . fine, but mostly against random trainers

[worthy minnow]

could trade it and the hypothetical sheep for comic

[grave steppe]

and that was before it lost supercool from its special movepool on no guard builds

[worthy minnow]

the goat

[grave steppe]

I have gotten unfezant on I think two consecutive deep runs and it has left the box maybe once

it's better early I know, but not amazing

[patent folio]

Does well into yez1 I recall but

(pidgeotto

[grave steppe]

It is good there, but so are a lot of things

[grave steppe]

hmmmm

[patent folio]

So power early, or power later

[grave steppe]

THEORETICALLY rattata is cool against Eko

but I have not tried it

loading up the game now so let me look at the masterdex

[patent folio]

I mean this is the reason for Rat

those stats are

insane

for this point

[grave steppe]

fair lol

[worthy minnow]

crazy min maxed too

[patent folio]

Oh roselia beats it at yez1

also funi number

[grave steppe]

roserade feels interesting. free life orb boost to slashing

[worthy minnow]

she smoking that poison grass

[grave steppe]

and can set up crits on poison drench setups?

[patent folio]

Also free* poison spikes

pairs well with Seviper in theory

[worthy minnow]

not free, just upside

[grave steppe]

you theoretically can build a toxapex/roserade/seviper poison core

I don't know if that's actually good against anything, mind

[patent folio]

I mean it sounds.... fine, into Samorn

but not fantastic

[grave steppe]

yeah

I feel like poison core wants to go for slow venom drench kill setups anyway?

[patent folio]

but these are nice sweeper stats

and yeah that

[grave steppe]

which is difficult in doubles

[patent folio]

poison cores do best in avatars

where poison spikes are completely irrelevent

[worthy minnow]

I think Venoshock is the fun way to play poison but maybe I'm just too "fuck it we ball" brained

[patent folio]

oh for sure

that's why I brought up Seviper

but like... its fun but not amazing

[grave steppe]

venoshock is v good if you have it set up yeah

problem is having it set up

[patent folio]

Tspikes also has the downside of 1/6th of types are immune to uit

Could be ok into helena but if I am going into crater for Helena I'm using flame spikes (assuming I can)

[grave steppe]

and 'our cool strategy has trouble wtih steel-types' is . . . an issue

[worthy minnow]

call me lex luthor cause I hate Superman teams

just get poisoned you loser

[grave steppe]

crater at least I think is fine if you get tea from the tea store

or any other physical ghost wall

this gives you the opportunity to wisp lee + copperajah, and then a. meowth does the bulk of the work versus lunatone

add other mons to four remaining slots as appropriate

[worthy minnow]

for whatever it's worth you're on the dev version of the site rn

[grave steppe]

oh oops

(it doesn't change on not-dev)

[worthy minnow]

yeah I know I just didn't want it to cause calculation issues later

[patent folio]

Yeah I think its Budew

Because I'm a big budew fan and also poison type

[worthy minnow]

are any of the passive trapping abilities (😡) good in the nuzlocke, just out of curiosity

[patent folio]

yes, No Hope is incredible

[grave steppe]

Emmi used no hope to beat ultra lainie I think that counts

[patent folio]

Partly because of Bad Ending, but its also just incredibly good

[worthy minnow]

not really looking for DATA because the bell has already tolled, just curious

Bad Ending reverses healing, right?

[patent folio]

Clingy came up a few times but wasn't used much cause gothi has a somewhat awkward typing

[patent folio]

its also electric type quick attack

[grave steppe]

I haven't ever rolled horsea or diglett yet but there have been plenty of times I wanted them

[worthy minnow]

that is so many things all at once wtf

[patent folio]

Does come at the cost of losing actually damage or healing for the turn

but yeah its strong

probably shouldn't do damage tbh

[grave steppe]

40 bp signatures are allowed to be good I guess

[worthy minnow]

Have y'all ever considered something like Frostpitality stall?

[grave steppe]

no but I also haven't had a hail team ever come together

[worthy minnow]

honestly I don't think you even need a hail team

It could just be Polteageist clicking "no you can't leave" once every six turns

[grave steppe]

true

that's uh . . . fraught I think

Polteageist is really good at blocking . . . physicals

and then if you hit it with a special move and it melts

[patent folio]

I considered it for Yez4

but it fell apart

[worthy minnow]

so you just don't trap the special attackers, obv

[patent folio]

Vanil already saved a life good job tiny

[worthy minnow]

my man

[grave steppe]

at least there polteageist doesn't even need hail for yez 4

just get heatmor and strength sap 5head

[worthy minnow]

For the record I really enjoyed watching the nuzlocke stream this morning

just wanted you to know it was fun

[grave steppe]

since people seemed to enjoy it I think I'll also stream my tournament (assuming I don't wipe before then)

but I ain't there yet

still sorry I missed it

[worthy lark]

Dark souls font TRADITION ESTABLISHED

[grave steppe]

if nothing else it's probably good for those of us actively after the bounty to be able to more clearly see & comment on strategies for that + the finale I think

[worthy minnow]

I just liked hanging out and groaning along with y'all lol, I really tried my best not to offer advice because my advice is usually bad

[patent folio]

Got sucked into dnd for a bit (finally really developing this new character ^~^) but Vigoroth is down

Last run did not convince me on dark ground so grass it is

BLESSED GODDAMN RUN

[grave steppe]

NICE

finally someone can bring not-whimsicott to beat asha

[patent folio]

defo missing windy way encounter here, but think this can do lamb deathless

[worthy minnow]

ferroseed plus sandygast feels sufficiently blessed

[patent folio]

also onix! Onix is at least tied for the 2nd best encounter in the cave imo

[grave steppe]

Onix is amazing early and a very viable tournament mon

[worthy minnow]

oh right the holy trinity

[patent folio]

I'm pretty confident Mudbray is better overall

[grave steppe]

brick wall, gravitas counters Eko's stuff on top of typing, Steelix is the toxtricity counter

[patent folio]

and if you can get it Litwick puts up a decent fight, but the rest of that patch is pretty poor

[worthy minnow]

true stamina is literally too good

[grave steppe]

I honestly still think Titanix > Mudsdale here, though obviously you wouldn't be sad about having either

Steel-types are amazing and titanix specifically just solves things that nothing else does sometimes

[patent folio]

My thought it Mudbray just solves a lot of random route trainers

[worthy minnow]

i can totally see the argument for mudsdale as a general use guy

[grave steppe]

I've had iffy results using mudbray honestly

[patent folio]

Titanix is better for bosses but Mudsdale becomes a stoutland that can kill shit

[grave steppe]

Really wants stabilize earlier

[patent folio]

I'll have to see if/when I get a run with it

[grave steppe]

Once stamina is set up you're unkillable, but those first few hits are scary

[patent folio]

Is it worth bringing in onix to Lamb..?

prolly not

[grave steppe]

onix doesn't do anything into lambert yeah

I think it's useful on croagunk maybe but it'd take a braver girl than me to try that

[patent folio]

I have a mortar for croagunks face so I'm fine

surprising amount of tribe overlap here

3 animated 2 artillery 2 warrior 2 scourge

Lambs getting Slammed

Lamber slamburted

that's always a slow fight

but no harm no foul

[grave steppe]

just a side effect of only having 40 BP moves I think

[patent folio]

Y'all ever think the kind of noises Lambert has to listen to when he tries to sleep at night

[grave steppe]

everything is slow

[patent folio]

like, dudes trying to take a nap and Zeraora's just like BWAAAA SHAAA CRAAAAA

[grave steppe]

LMAO

[grave steppe]

i was thinking and I actually think this is why we both went deathless in the prizca gym splits? at that time the rocket tag part of the gameplay is finally online and you aren't having to plan to survive one or two attacks from every opponent because you can't OHKO

[patent folio]

Yeah that's fairly true

You have the power and the tools at that point to threaten ohko's yourself regularly

And its before the curses get Real nasty

[grave steppe]

definitely true

noel's curse has defined counterplay and bence & zoe is a normal fight besides being big

[patent folio]

ignoring that half of Victoire's curse is nonfunctional in most attempts of that fight

[grave steppe]

victoire doesn't count lol

we know she needs some love

[patent folio]

Just realized I have 3 grass types lol

3.5 cause Cottonee

shippin lane...

this one is always tough

[worthy minnow]

idk why, the payoffs from tall grass are crazy

[patent folio]

really not a fan of diglett or sentret, and neutral on Scatterbug, but the other 5 are incredible

I really like Jigglypuff and Vigoroth, and Venipede seems interesting

[worthy minnow]

diglett is a passive trapper, scatterbug is kinda nothing, skill link, and also skill link

[patent folio]

and then obv Pikipek and Pineco goes crazy in different ways

[patent folio]

digletts a passive trapper but its also made of paper

which is not a good trait for a passive trapper who needs to switch in

[worthy minnow]

pineco is good in its own right but primarily it gives you spike cannon immediately which is a 25% chance to blow shit wide open

[patent folio]

Its probably pretty good when it evolves (130 speed go brrr) but I really don't like it at this point

I prefer my mons bulky

but yeah nothing in grass has the impact of tall grass

...gonna make me eat my words game?

well... fine, I guess

you'll come to Eko and do stuff

[worthy minnow]

its the guy

well i guess we get to see if sapper was actually worth my worries