uhhh I don't think so unfortunately
#Emmi's Curselocke but in the cool kids channel
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yeah'
didn't think of that
just brought charm spam mons and darm
200% Meary right?
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gonna go with yes
koffing and pidove do interesting stuff but not as interesting as meary
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nah my thought was Industrialize (steel absorb)
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eh, steel isn't very scary offensively
interesting
Probably Alolamola
Although Scarodon is interesting
and I am loaded on fairies
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momo is solid but struggles to distinguish itself here imo
moonglow doesnt get free tools the way other weathers do
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yeah....
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lumineon does kinda whip
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I'm... kinda lookin at Finneon??
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skill link be like
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That's a lot of waterlog change, and Skill Link
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skill link got me acting unwise
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win the nuzlocke with a full team of skill linkers just to prove zinnia correct
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but yeah lumineon kicks a crazy amount of ass here imo
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locket lumineon is free waterlog on command, and dice lumineon actually has the move pool to support the waterlog ability too
it's one of the few "poison touch" abilities that I think is genuinely abusable because it's alongside skill link and thus the movepool is there
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is there something you're looking to do with backhand
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is there something you're looking to do with backhand
not kill myself
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so uh, no
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(it almost killed Maniclaw)
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o7 to the real ones
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also remember that u can start going for legends about now
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Yeah
I very clearly am at a point in the game where I am lacking familiarity. I need to take fights slower and plan a hell of a lot more.
Midgame is over.
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Initial ideas:
Donster: Trash Treasure disables Vic's curse, and demolishes Blastoise (Body Press) and Mismagius (either stab, but probably slag). Also threatens Deceat a bit.
Porygon MAV: Quarentine is obviously powerful, but Inferno Impact and Electroslash hurt Deceat, Blastoise, and Bronzong hard.
Barbaracle: Less solid than the other 2, bur being able to pivot on steel moves and being able to click Poison Jab on switches makes it promising, not to mention flip turn
Durant: stab super effective on all her pokemon (except Bronzong), can also run a nice Strike Vest with U-Turn taking the 4th slot
Eldegoss: sets tailwind, allowing several additional outspeeds on the team. Additionally answers Seaking quite well, and spreads Leach
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Durant with Tunnel Maker and holding the Proxy Fist seemed like a really nice lead into her; you get to two-shot Blastoise (she swaps him in turn 1 and then you earthquake to take him down) and then you can U-Turn out on Bronzong iirc
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The Proxy is a good idea, yeah
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This is basically the only battle it comes up but it's nice for Stormbringer and OSHA certified Bronzong lol
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Good ol Bronzong..
What's my last mon...
Almost tempting to go grab Melmetal if thicket wasn't horrifying
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Yeah thicket is a mess
Free turn helps a bit but it's still one of the scarier dungeons
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Yeah. Doesn't help that I've never done it.
Only one I skipped in my initial playthrough, well and old Circuit cave
I know about the mechanics, but it seems horrible to get through, espec on level
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I was spending I think half an hour planning each fight at that point and that was ten levels higher than you were
granted I was also very nervous
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Ahaha yeahhh
Understandable. I'm starting to get some of that myself
I'm taking some peace in that this run probably isn't gonna be the one, but I want to get as far as I can, for experience if nothing else.
Probably will close out the run even if I wipe
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Yeah it would make sense; this is also when we have less experience figuring out what works anyway
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I thiiiiink that was removed in 3.3 or a 3.2
I should check the change log on that though
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I think you can only get them from the intended sources
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then that makes it tough, yeah
melm (and registeel) are really good so it might be worth
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It's definitely worth doing eventually; I think Emmi's right that it's not worth the risk doing before Vik though
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I probably just bring Delcatty, Blissey, or Stoutland as slot 6 here I think
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It makes sense
I would go stoutland so you have a panic out for Deceat because I am afraid of what happened to me
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Yeah probably wise.
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What happen??
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thought MAV's quarentine worked on damaging moves, which led to it dying
then needed to sac eldegoss and barb to get out
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Woof
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Pincurchin get from Volcanic Shore
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Made it to Boiling Cave
Time to try and get my Solrock or Turt
Little big of a wiff
encounter failed
no deaths but Turt was bein a bitch and didn't get in the ball
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oh hi there
I think with my rain build, I wanna go for a Clawitzer here
Nailed it
And caught
Think its time to consider my menagerie options
my main hurting point at this point in my box is special flying
therefore, I'm considering hitting the Puddle
Aiming for Hoothoot ideally, but Glowpoke or Grimer would also be good
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gun man
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I'm actually
looking at
Da king!
insane bulk, nukes setup on switch in, or has only 2 weaknesses
Gunbro is very nice, I won't deny, but that kind of versatility is incredible
bro's flying
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pokemon_metrics.txt my beloathed
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ok
Well its well past my bedtime
So I'm hitting the hay
Tommorow...
Regirock? Melmetal perhaps?
Who knows
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big, huge perhaps
regirock is maybe a bit daring
you'd have to get through the claydol/stonjourner fight and those fuckers are ruthless
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Yeah you can go for canyon (and its super worth it) but dont take any mons youre not prepared to lose
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you'd have to get through the claydol/stonjourner fight and those fuckers are ru...
Trauma
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Got key while money grinding
Caught Weepenbell over Larv, because I'm scared of Samorn moreso than other stuff
master balling big bird
Ended up not master balling big bird
So I now have 2 master balls 
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pog
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Oh hi mark
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This bronzong avatar looks pretty tough
The rest have been real easy, but this one I'm not seeing a way to jump it and its got a threatening set
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I'm sure there is a way, just not worked it out yet
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bronzong down, but wow that was scary
fucked up the puzzle so had to let it ambush me
Made it to the Registeel chamber! No deaths
Gotta go to sleep now, but before work tommorow gonna try and get Melmetal and start planning for Sang2, even if I probably won't do him till the evening
I want my pocket totem
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the way you do Bronzong iirc is you ring one bell that puts it past you, run past it to get the stuff, then teleport back to the entrance
(writing this down in case anyone wants it for future reference)
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Yeah I figured it was something like that after the fact
Oh yeah Bella, do you have to fight Melm or does it just vibe?
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you have to fight pro trainer xandaveon, who has melmetal on his team
but it's a trainer battle not a catch pokemon sort of thing
he's got a few tricks but as I recall it's really not that hard
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Gotcha gotcha
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Doesn't seem too tough.
Really missing Barbar here..
Sidenote but why do both fights I'm looking at rn have an annoying chatot
Does Indestructable trigger in the middle of multihits?
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Scary but I'll trust the data.
Cinc is a good lead cause it kills either and neither would see it coming.
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it definitely doesn't trigger (I checked that explicitly on my run)
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Pog.
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skill link strikes again
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skill link strikes again
Saturator Loaded Dice actually
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ok that's just skill link and you know it
skill link's diabolical companion known as "too much coverage"
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the only coverage it probably wouldn't have otherwise is Pulsar
Since it learns electric moves
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skill link's diabolical companion known as "too much coverage"
Lmao i said basically the same thing in vc
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Current plan for Sang: Dragon Gem Draco Serperior with the +1 from Fascinate oneshots Chatot, while Sawk Meteor Assault scares out Registeel
From there Helping Hand Dragon Energy should sweep aside from Wigglytuff
may need to work that out actually, since Uproar would outspeed and destroy my damage output
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lets gooooooo
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Registeel time
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Got em
fucker was being feisty, was worried I'd need to master ball but managed to timer ball it
time to think about Sam
And also her scary ass gym trainers
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Gotta snork mimi but would love ideas other than Sylveon and Victreebel
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Man
what fuckin dragon egg do I want
Trying to decide if I want to weather wars Samorn, or if I want to just play around the sand
The latter probably necessitates me going for Hoopa
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Gonna hope this is accurate for now
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Hm we should retake that screenshot, the x-ray lists the bonus abilities properly now
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Oh nice. But is the team the same?
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The Pokemon are from memory, I don't remember for sure if the abilities are 100% right
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Well I'll be triple checking. This is enough for basic planning
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Like I don't spot any particular errors I just don't have an arbitrary list of 6 abilities memorised lol
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I'd check for you but I am also not able to play the game rn
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You can get them as soon as you beat sang
Lv70 fights, have to clear two former champs
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But the former champs are level 70 so you maybe want the Yez 5 level cap right
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Samorn is The Boss so clearing a couple of over leveled singles might be easier
Well there is actually a double on Eventide
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Could go get Hoopa and do Whitebloom underleveled.
Trick Room enables sequence breaking in a big way
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True.
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Troom
Hm no that's not good
My keyboard even autocorrected it what the fuck
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But I'd like to see if I can tinker a route here, likely by baiting in Maxie and then rain sweeping
Fire for Effect hits at the end of turn right?
Hmmm
I wonder if Skyfall on Castform kills or at least severely hurts Flygon
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you need an item looks like
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CV could do it.
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(damage calculator is super jank on mobile but I did figure out how to get the site to work)
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Wow that. Sure is
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(Trust me same doing the same rn)
Its very broken
You can barely touch your own mon
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You need to rotate the screen and be careful about what order you pick things in, including getting rid of stuff on the opponent's side to swap movesets, and you basically can only check one move at a time because of how the damage calc displays
however, in the end, it does work
still useful if you're like bored with nothing to do at work or in the bathroom or something I guess
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I would say follow me go brr but the Towerpoda is more dangerous
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Yeah. Siginifigantly so
Wanna try and scare it out if I can, but its so bulky that doing so will be tough
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You probably need a special psychic type? Or fighting I guess
Desert armor means you can't scratch it with physical iirc
the thing that could work is helping hand into agility herb Sylveon mist burst, though that's going to put you in a weird spot for likely volc + reavor
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You probably need a special psychic type? Or fighting I guess
Pretty much. So maybe Sawk?
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I forgot sawk could do special
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Zenmanitan also does it but needs an ally who kills or distracts flygon
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Could Dewgong do that...?
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(this is sawk)
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Excellent.
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funnily enough the two options are detachment or focus blast
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Yeah so Detatch probably
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so itemless or wide lens (or fighting gem I guess?)
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Wide lens could be interesting
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Remember gemcrobatics doesn't work in tectonic
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Does gem detatch kill?
Because that'd be even better cause it wouldn't switch more than likely
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Gem detatch is 128%
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Remember gemcrobatics doesn't work in tectonic
Idea was more that 169% should give you room to go down
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Excellent
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Ahhh
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Sawk seems to also KO volc with accelerock which is a plus
Garchomp is more of an issue though
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Scarf enchanted arrow could do flygon in,or Mist Burst
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Garchomp is more of an issue though
Ice Shard
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Ward Press. Ward Press does the most damage iirc and won't be lowered by scoured silhouette
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It doesn't but first strike is only 30% so that shouldn't be enough
Plus scoured silhouette is also a thing
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Yeah.
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(can't check that though because you can't enter negative stat steps on mobile)
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Iceberg Bash could do it if you have access, though sawk will have to switch out or something after
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Will have to check when I am home
No I don't need to check, I have it
Thanks Mamo
Also the question of does Flygon switch to Reavor when it sees Sylveon lead
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Yep, said that above
Also scarf Sylv is too slow, will need to be herb
Or accepting taking Scale storm for 80% (no)
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Ah I misunderstood before
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Also the question of does Flygon switch to Reavor when it sees Sylveon lead
uhhhh I'm not sure tbh
Would have to check my old footage to see if I tested that position ever
Bad news is that Flygon hould switch out (it shows kill even with beguiling); good news is that scarf should outspeed
this specifically seems to get you the minimum speed to outspeed Flygon (obviously other stuff changes as the concept is refined)
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That's lvl 70
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oh oops
Okay yeah I just did that wrong
I think Sylveon still scares out Flygon though
Fortunately it looks like the sawk stuff probably still holds
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Only reavor appears to be a safe switch, though, so make sure your other active doesn't threaten super effective damage on it
or else she might just not switch
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Or do and keep reavor away
actually tbh I showed Samorn kill on everything and I'm pretty sure she just switched in garchomp on me
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Maybe because of dig or some shit
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Yeah it's that
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actually tbh I showed Samorn kill on everything and I'm pretty sure she just swi...
Run mist burst purely for this ig
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It doesn't actually kill (this is why I had the helping hand)
you could run an item for damage but you need utility umbrella to not die to sandstorm if you want Sylveon to stay in more than a few turns
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Strategy is looking pretty good.
Need to adjust a tiny bit, either not bringing sawk or forcing Tower out rather than kill it
But its looking solid
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Alright
Lets
get this done, I think
This is looking like the squad
Main guy I'm not confident on here is Victrebell
but follow me Flytrap seems strong alongside Sylveon
but like... reavor is just gonna click shatter vise a lot of the time
May bring Mismagius instead to disable weather in an emergency (read, volcarona gets out without one of my 2 dedicated counters)
yeah, gonna do that
lets do this
WE
WIN
THESEEEEE
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WOOOO
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Blue Iris had to fall for my victory.
I've never liked Sawk
Its always been one of my least favorite pokemon.
But for Blue Iris?
This run is going as far as it can
Him, and all those who fell along the way
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What a squad o7
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yeah my death box is lowkey kinda stacked lmfao
and Swirlix
Also finally got to use Linoone, it was Real important for the end there
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Pog
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Goonai!
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get rolled idiot
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wears a mask to disguise his identity
uses a NFE legendary pokemon no one else has
dramatically reveals his identity
Bro nobody cares
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eifion easy gg
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So need to calc it
But I'm guessing Darm can oneshot regice
Which probably baits in Eifion
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But I'm going to for safety
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Curse is yez1 right?
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[MASKEDVILLAIN2,Teal,3]
ExtendsVersion = 2
NameForHashing = Alessa
Policies = CURSE_PERFECT_LUCK
Pokemon = REGICE,65
yea
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Ok
Darm Standard Inferno Impact oneshots regice without ability.
So I need to knock its investment down a tiny bit so it doesn't see kill
That'll bring in Phione to click Scald (scary)
A phione with Regice stats is very.scary
Optimally I want to find a physical electric or grass type that can kill it without an item
Pachirisu can't quite do that
Apologies for poor quality brought my laptop to work for planning
Oh!
What could work is grass gem Whimsicott.
Or.... 
Gunbro could do it.
Gunbro crit cross poison does kill
Alternative idea: M!Jellicent just traps it and bullies it.
@surreal bolt is Gunbro crit guarenteed with scope lens, or is that 25%
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25%
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Damn, nowhere near reliable enough
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Simply roll the crit
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Good idea
Moving on for now
Aegislash or any ghost can handle Giganteon.
Aegislash is coming along specifically because it can click sacred sword, which will seriously chunk Houndoom on the switch in
Blissey checks Houndoom and solves Manergetic, will give it Ice Beam to hurt Sceptile on the switch
Will prenumb it to prevent it getting burned
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you can also just covert cloak btw
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May be better to just be numbed and have leftovers though
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You have softboiled so I think you'd be fine, but yeah check that explicitly lol
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Ye, will on my lunch break
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there's also room to pre-numb and go jacket if you want to push damage
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The general damage reduction from CC isn't nothing tbf
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The general damage reduction from CC isn't nothing tbf
On blissey it kinda is?
It reduces each hit by 2 damage, 3 at best
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HUGE
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It does add up on something you're healing a lot and isn't doing a lot of damage back
But this is why we check damage ranges etc
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umm that probably gets hit hard . . . but wow that might be your best option you have no steel types huh
Oh durant
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Durant is a good idea
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How much sweeping can Durant do here actually? I'm guessing it's quite a bit
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umm that probably gets hit hard . . . but wow that might be your best option you...
I have a lot of steel actually
Some of its in my party still I think
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oh I missed aegi
It's just that ghost/steel isn't good into scep
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Some of its in my party still I think
Ah understood
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I missed Donster like an idiot XD
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A lot of its not great into scep though lol
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Excadrill technically but it doesn't really do steel type things
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Also very bad into Scep
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Good point. That ice punch would be meaty
Lemme calc it
Awesome ty mobile calc
Yeah that does it
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Yeah
Frankly double iron bash probably would too
I should go check since I can be at a desktop but I'm being lazy lol
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LMAO
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10HKO LMAO
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Double Iron Bash is short by 3 damage
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does it take iron fist into account?
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So current party for this:
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Darmanitan with 19 points in attack kills Regice with Inferno Impact (19 points to make it only kill with Extreme Power, which I assume the AI won't see)
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M!Jellicent traps and kills Phione with electric moves
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Blissey clowns on Manergetic and Houndominus, and Regice if it switches on Darm.
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Melmetal has zero fears from Sceptile or Giganteon, and bonks the hell outta them
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Aegislash is a Giganteon answer that hits like a truck on switches
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Delcatty for pivoting and extremespeed
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passive trapping
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You said it last run when I got Kingdra
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make sure u adjust ur style points
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rolled and smoked
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Ez fight
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Could go get the free applin so that the linoone is handled ig
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Oh I just meant Appletun
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Ye
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it does yeah
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I think a ward press just donks him yeah
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Eleki getting up screens is scary but may be needed.
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this team has zero fairy resists
...this is Sylv last super important fight I think
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yeah
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Fuck it we ball
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Can play fast and loose with his life if needed
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it's also honestly just useful for like redirecting and stuff
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Oh for sure.
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mist burst -> everyone targets sylveon -> can swap out and protect with more info
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Also if you hit hard enough you can just spam misty burst forever, the recoil will only kill you at 1HP or some shit
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it's specifically the next highest power of two times is your number of uses, I think
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Could someone calc mist burst split into Eleki?
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so if you're at 130 HP, 2^6 is 128, 2^7 is 256, so you have seven mist burst hits (note hits because it recoils twice if you hit two things) before you faint
but don't 100% trust me on the rounding stuff there
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Could someone calc mist burst split into Eleki?
113%
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With the spread?
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Right.
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dude is sashed for a reason
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That's a good point!
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but you want that to stop screens
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though I think Eleki usually sees that and switches out?
Oh well, nothing here wants to take a mist burst
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yeah
'I mist bursted something else' is a good outcome
toge is 40%, tyranitar and chandi are 50%, haerobic is dead
so if you show her sylveon mist burst she can only switch into toge
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Which I can captalize on with Rockalanche Aggron
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potentially yeah, though I guess you'd have to set up your fake out into switch?
delcatty is an option for that of course
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yeah definitely
double checking, the formula stuff on the website is all going to be messed up here but sylveon does 190 with mist burst into drago, which doubles to 380, and then even after subtracting the 65 from dragon's blood I think it still KOs especially since drago has fragile locket nerf
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quick and dirty
since it outspeeds it will probably set light screen right
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I'm pretty sure it just switches
(I have definitely run this exact position before on different patches)
but if it stays in it sets light screen assuming you don't have a physical thing threatening it yeah
well, probably
sometimes it likes webbing
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dewgong would do it
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That makes 70% looks like
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wouldn't show fake out either, I think . . . maybe . . . AI is weird about fake out from what I've seen
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oh duh yeah that works
i was gonna say you can go 0 hp 0 spdef and it kills but that's a better plan lmao
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Thank you Transistor (Trans Sister)
And I survive Close Combat from Drago so I can still eject Button out.
So that's Drago solved, and screens denied.
Confident that is the turn one
As an additional bonus, Dewgong does quite well into phase 2 of Linoone
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dewgong also shows 2HKO to Artemesia so I think she won't switch in no matter what? in addition to showing eleki a fast kill
(with Ice Beam)
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Yep.
So that's Drago dead, and Eleki dead or spooked.
5 more mons that need solving, 4 more slots.
Appletun solves Linoone and Tyranitar (can't kill it easily, but can charm and stall it with Kee Berry.)
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nice
and the one thing about linoone is that it really is quite easy -- you just need to keep up one or two physically defensive things with recovery
the hard part is not losing them all to yez's actual team!
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M. Jellicent completely solves Amalthea
If I give it a Covert Cloak, it should also take down Artemisia
It doesn't trap Amalthea sadly.
Would need at least +1 step for that
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can you intimidate her beforehand maybe?
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ummm
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Oh! Or Huntail
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salamence does work
oh huntail is better
i was gonna say, the problem with salamence is (a) you might want it later (b) it's literally made of tissue paper
though granted for this kind of thing you legitimately might just try an eject button tanky set, which would be more durable
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i was gonna say, the problem with salamence is (a) you might want it later (b) i...
Wait huntail is LESS bulky lmfao
Oh well its very disposable imo.
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mence is backup for an eclipse team that uses haxorus (because it's very likely you mismanage things and accidentally get haxorus killed if you don't have experience . . . or if you do have experience but are presented with an unfamiliar position . . . not that I would know anything about that)
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Oh well its *very* disposable imo.
yeah this was more a point (a) than a point (b) choice lol
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Yeah XD
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Dregg is my only choice left.
anyway re: dregg it's like: salamence is a fast sweeper for eclipse, h. goodra is really useful for bulky eclipse positions (actually very powerful even if I emphasize the haxorus sweep on the finale) and can cleric with life dew
and if you want regular goodra it's also a really useful tank lol, but that depends more on the needs of your box. basically the same goes for the rest of them; I'm not sure there's a bad get there
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Main thinking is regular goodra for a rain tank
But that roll is hurt somewhat by me having Hymnus
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true
rain tank certainly is useful
I would say goodra also takes a black sludge instead of a leftovers but that's about to become irrelevant for you
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Only overlap is ice yeah
Which, in a rain team, I'm not too worried about
And 2 grass electric resistances is nice for rain as well.
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very true
they're also a bit different role-wise -- goodra's better for hard tanking, hymnus is more offensive it looks like
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Yep. Also goodra's a lot more physically bulky than Hymnus
Whereas Hymnus is more evenly bulky and a lot more agressive
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Ack
Glad I double checked.
Appletun into Tyranitar isn't clean cause of stressful
Its not... a bad option, since it can ignite and heal itself up, but
Having a quick fighting move would be better
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my main problem is that I forget about it tbh
'blocks priority' and 'blocks protect' are two different things in my mind also; that doesn't help
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Yeahhhh
I have like no fighting types bwaaa
Uhhh
Verizon wireless?
Also works well into Linoone
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you mean virizion I assume?
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Alternatively/better is Terrakion
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that should be good yeah
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you mean virizion I assume?
Yes
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terrakion is also kinda crazy
though less necessary if you don't need to break screens
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Terrakion means no Auden switch in, and prebuilt screen shatter
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Depends. Eleki may come in again and set em up if it switches
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obviously the core of that team was linoone though
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Depends. Eleki may come in again and set em up if it switches
yeah, there's a big question about what eleki will do
very glad you're trying this first lol
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And at this point I ain't scared of Terrakion or Cobalion avatar.
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terrakion you should be a little scared of, but only because of primeval destiny bond
and that can be played around
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Yea
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natural protection time? that could help
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bnuuy
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Yeah, Rookidee is the only one who does anything unique here I think
Krick is tempting for the sound team that I have all the tools for but never broke out
Probably gonna save Hatching for after Yez5
If Huntail lives, I'll trade it in for Kecleon to dupe that out
If it dies, I may just give up Popllio since I've not used it or even thought of using it once
Do I want to commit to rolling Priz east over Relicanth..?
So there's a consistent intimidator
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two dogs
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oop
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for whatever it's worth that bnuy could have been a meary
Wrong Prizca
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I was gonna be at least furfrou does things
then I thought about it and I couldn't think of a single thing furfrou has done
She means buneaty
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No you could have traded it I mean
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Ahhhh
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But Emmi already has a meary I think
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I already have a Meary though yeah
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(lucky)
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Oh word
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(this is me crying over spilled milk given my own box lmao)
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we love the sewers
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...nice
Ok
now lets take on Terrak and Cobal
WAIT I NEVER ROLLED NEBULA RUINS LMFAO
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I believe it
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Besides the obvious stuff it's also one of the few pre-surf sources of Embrittle, which is one of the best anti-Avatar tools out there
(embrittle is the main reason why I settled on Shieldon as the optimal fossil choice tbh. That and access to stealth rock/rock tomb/magnetize and Faraday Cage all on one mon)
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clarion time
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Cool
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Discussion ain't needed here, hi Ston
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Yeah def
I think at this point it's obvious
Amazing anti-Avatar tool, no notes needed
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I thought maybe woobat for a second
Because I really am missing a special flying type
but no its physical so BYE BAT
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I mean there's also the fact that its a dewpider in disguise actually
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It trades for arawuanid theoretically but that doesn't seem worth a apart from the hera dupe
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That is worth considering
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I think anyway
I guess it is a tanky thing, but bug typing is still kind of ehh
(defensively that is)
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Sand setter is a neat thing to have
Also just that its fat as fuck and powers up allies passively
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Actually looking at it poison absorb does make araquanid's profile pretty decent
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Also just that its fat as fuck and powers up allies passively
But yeah, that
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Sad that it doesn't have a good support set aside from wide guard
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Also its signature is sandstorm + stealth rock which is real nice
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...why does it get sweet kiss
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Embrittle + nerve block does stuff against avatars
and sweet kiss is surprisingly relevant
. . . though uh, yeah, agreed on the why
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I rolled stonjourner this time and being able to kiss Raikou to get rid of its electro ball BP was very very helpful
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kiss the dog
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plus it opens virizion up to cheese if you don't have donster
(if you don't have donster, she says, lovingly petting her giant pile of garbage)
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If I get a non trash run later I'll be depressed
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ikr
things you will only see in tectonic
frankly, people celebrating getting trubbish also sounds like an only in Tectonic moment
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What an evolution, powerful signature move, and steel type will do for a mofo
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Powerful signature with a completely unique effect at that
plus a synergistic ability
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lowkey
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in a game where that sort of gameplay has a very real and defined purpose in every run
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It should probably lose that
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honestly I could see it yeah
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Yep!
Although Virizion is a choice between her or a random encounter
(karrablast, shelmet, falinks, flabebe)
Master ball collection is up to 5
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accelgor is apparently good against zain, but not sure the others justify rolling that
plus that's like, one fight of nine
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yeahg
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and ho-oh mostly solves him
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it's a question if you really need virizion orjust any heart of justice mon I guess
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I mean in this instance I specifically want Terrak
Spending a master ball because Terrakion is scary and I'm lazy
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Ok
Turn 1: Fake Out Dewgong into Eleki's slot, Mist Burst Sylveon
What item...?
Maybe shell bell?
that goes after actually
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So probably sitrus or lefties
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or cado actually; you're going to 25%
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oh true
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yep
So
Party so far is:
Sylveon: Mist Burst kills Drago and scares or kills Eleki
Dewgong: Fake Out + baits in Haerobic and Tyranitar
Terrakion: beats the fuck out of Tyranitar, Chandelure, and Artemisia. 7 league steps makes it outspeed Haerobic
Appletun: Solo's Linoone if it has its berry
this, on paper, wins with these 4
However that paper has a big'ol hole in it that needs patching
And that hole is called "something may need to switch into Auden at some point lmao"
Dewgong may be replaced here to facilitate the switch I want
That being Tyran Haerobic, while also being good to force a trap on Haerb
For switching into Auden...
I mean Bliss is the obvious answer
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blissey is a lot more dangerous to switch in when there's physical attackers on the field though
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it has energy ball right? not sure if that matters
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not super bulky but takes jealousy well and outspeeds+ohkos
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ah yeah that would do it
and if you lose it to a doubles situation you're probably not that sad
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I mean its a bummer but ce la vie
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yeah
it's just about which is a better sack, not that you actually want to lose stuff
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stupid dude just does so much damage
What could work
is
Appletun!
Firefighter means a free turn for it to status, and its only 3hko's otherwise
and it doesn't need ripen to do its job against linoone
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oh nice
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Can only 2 shot but that's fine
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only problem is if you need to swap something in the other slot
but honestly you might just double into chandi
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yeah
that dudes a threat
unless haerb is on the field he's target #1
So that
Didn't help my slot #5 and #6 sitch]
Panic buttons I think
Whimsicott fits that description, its a free pivot in as long as its not doubled into
Its also bulky enough and has the right typing to mess with Linoone
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seems solid yeah
though be careful with it
if you go after cress it's the most consistent out to kyurem
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understood
Currently my most fragile matchup here is probably Artemisia
So.... uh
Aggron or Melmetal works there
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yeah
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And is also a lot more disposable
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yez's team is super slow if she doesn't have tailwind up
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Just can't let it switch in on a psychic
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it's just that melmetal is actually slow as molasses
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ok
anything I'm missing here...?
Swapping Stamp for Embrittle
I think
This is it
Lead went PERFECTLY
Regidrago and Regieleki are dead
Auden and Autochthon are here
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oh shit it's happening
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Autochthon has to go for Iron Tail on Tulip to kill
Auden does not see a kill period
I do not know what the ordering of this turn is for him
I think
my best bet is to go into Appletun here
Feel decent about the idea that Auden will click jealousy
Click wish on Delcatty
Auden clicked Jealousy
Autochthon clicked Rocka
AplBlossom was Fractured
Auden Switched for Artemisia
Artemisia gets Leeched by AplBlossom
Goatsbeard kills Autochthon
Now
Here's the scary
I have zero idea what is happening
I think Fake out from Amalthea into Goatsbeard, and Superstition into Goatsbeard
Which leaves me free to burn Amaltea, and pivot through Delcatty into Aggron
Wait fuck pivoting
Protect
Ok, mostly right
Fake out went into AplBlossom, protect saves Goatsbeard from Superstition
can be confident that Close Combat is coming for Goatsbeard
Thankfully 7 league means I outspeed and oneshot with superpower
Appletun may bait in superstition now that its bulked up, may not
Either way its clicking recycle
Auden is here
I think
Goatsbeard needs to fall here for momentum
They won't be needed for future fights I don't think, although they are very high value for randoms
They do 73% to Auden
I could pivot through Saffron into Aggron to try and save them
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from what I recall I didn't use terrakion after this point in fixed encounters only except as a heart of justice mon
and you have at least two more of those
plus absolus
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Wait
Saffron
I can pivot through Saffron, it has enough hp to take any move from Auden
if it clicks shadow ball, I still get to switch through Artemiesia
commiting
Wait Artemisia is FASTER???
ok
Very good position
Artemisia is at -2, Auden is neutral
Gossypium has a 5 hp substitute up
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can you take out auden with gossypium? without the fairy resist you might do it
(the one that tectonic cut from fire i mean)
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eek. yeah might as well I guess
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Artemisia clicked Tailwind!
Auden is dead
Linoone is here
Sending in Silvermond to replace Gossypium, burning Linoone
Ok
Now here's the rough part
I just had my wide lens stolen
85% chance Artemisia dies
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oh oof
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it sounds good yeah
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nice!!!
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Should be able to muddle through with this
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this is one of those battles that feels like it's on the razor's edge so it makes sense, but still, very nice
yeah it's scary but this is good enough
and five fixed encounters so it's somewhat repeatable?
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yep
Aggron was fairly important
But can be replaced by any fast electric, rock, or poison physical mon?
Probably would have to hit Pretty hard though
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does he do anything other than take out Artemesia here?
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yeah
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this is whitebloom yez right?
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do you want me to go over my basic concept for a tournament team based on ho-oh?
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it really is
that was why I was thinking like, even if you don't use a team in that mold (and trust me, even if you use it, piloting it is a whole 'nother deal), it just gives you an idea of how I'm building for outs
for like, all the things you have to fight
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I'll almost certainly not take it what you are doing, but I'd like to see your thought process
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so this was gonna be the tournament team if I didn't wipe in attempt 1
the only real fixed points here are ho-oh, maybe magearna, and obstagoon. ho-oh is the centerpiece because it deletes Alessa and Lambert and mostly beats Zain by itself. Magearna presses a psychic move on things and is my Serperior out (because nothing else on this team beats that fucker!) Obstagoon is speed control
basically, Ho-oh is a big stupid special tank and can eat basically anything and then recover it off thanks to regenerator. That also lets you not worry about Life Orb damage. That exact set is necessary to wipe alessa + lambert and beat m. gigalith on zain unfortunately, there's zero flexibility there
Titanix is the brick wall -- basically just any physical Steel-type works. This is meant to no-sell a bunch of dangerous physical set-up mons (Eko's Scolipede, X's Mimikyu) and generally be a really hard out.
Celebi is of course the grass tank. Meganium was originally supposed to be in this slot, but she died (rip). Pretty much any Grass-type should work here I think; the important thing is just the leeching and draining and all that. This slot eats Harbor Breakers from Empoleon and generally does a lot of damage against random stuff, plus Meganium sets up Obstagoon to come in on a Psychic Overload against Eko's A. Raichu (which is trying to Dream Dance sweep you)
Wailord is literally just here as a special tank gadget that can come in on dangerous stuff like X's Gardevoir and Chill, then go out. It also has Defog because I wanted two defoggers to deal with all the fucking hazards in case there was a position where I didn't want Titanix in. (This slot is a lot more flexible if you have Meganium to Terraform instead of Celebi!) Mantine was also a consideration for this slot
that being said, Pressure is cool to very specifically fuck with Eifion's fucking stalling
you will probably have to PP stall something of Eifion's if you roll him. at least one thing.
so basically you need to be ready to, like, deal with hazards, have an out to a bunch of really annoying setup sweepers, have some plan for stall, and generally have a bunch of resistances and etc for everything
The good news is that you only really need Ho-oh, a Grass-type, and Magearna for Zain, I think. The bad news is that you don't know what you need for each matchup since you don't know who you're rolling until they're on screen . . .
honestly hard to even explain everything; a lot of this is just contextual? point is more just, like, fat things to absorb weird situations, access to burn and frostbite to nerf dangerous stuff, lots of resistances and immunities in case you need to eat evil attacks
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yeah
albeit it's a little weird
in practice this team is mostly Ho-oh + Titanix + Meganium? and the others are outs to specific problems
this is actually why Wailord has a Covert Cloak; it's specifically to avoid a flinch on Eifion's Houndominus and get a Shiver off before swapping out
the problem is, like, how the fuck are you supposed to know that without knowing how your exact team plays into the tournament, right
(I only know because this team is a better version of the fixed encounters only team)
But in general if you can put more of the load on a few mons it opens up the rest of your team to answer the situations that you really have trouble dealing with more specifically
like obstagoon does a bunch of things, but its main purpose is providing a way to out X's Gardevoir (through a switch on psychic -> frustrate -> parting shot loop)
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ummm
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So like
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honest to god, besides my obvious love of cress teams, I have never seen a time when I really wanted Gyarados in this game
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Milotic is solid in eclipse, solid in rain, provides competitive stuff
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But I do kind of need an intimidate mon
this is a good point though
if you were going to construct a rain team on the finale it could prove useful
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if you can set up city razer it is a wincon
yeah locket could be very solid
the problem is just going to be getting them to let you KO something
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yeah
and from what I recall you're not likely going to get gardevoir stuck in place like you see on eclipse teams
(I did a rain team into the finale on dev at one point; I have a little bit of insight here actually)
though when I say "rain team" I should emphasize that what that actually turned into was Milotic getting boosted to +12 via competitive and sweeping
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lmfao
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also had some different pieces from yours
yeah, like I'm rewatching my old footage and while I could post it I'm not sure how much info it would actually give you
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oh yeah for sure
Anywyas
If I try and do anything more serious today, I'll explode
we made it y'all
Trading Clamperl for Kecleon
Rolling Cave of Hatching
wonder what I am catching here gang
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rugged kelp
magnemite
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oop
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uh??
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Kec tried to protean struggle
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does it crash?
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oh good lol
i was gonna be like, you can probably just go back and find larvitar again, but that would be frustrating
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plus like we have to come up with an emergency ruling on how to do crashes??? . . . pain
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Stressful is so good into tourney if I decide to bring it
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tyranitar is quite good yeah
it's also just generally useful as a bulky dark mon i found
really good against that one crumbling canyon avatar duo
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yep
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(not that you should do that if you can help it)
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Noted, will be keeping that in mind XP
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i mean celebi, but. yeah.
surreal bolt
This is so epic
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So are we allowed to check the save file to see who you need to prep for
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no, don't believe so
So for a lead, I want a bulky mon who can remove hazards, and isn't scared of ghosts, ideally
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So a dark, grass, or normal type