#Lily's curselocke attempts and musings

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grumpig seems gimmicky but not bad

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Grumpig is pretty cool

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dog is boring lets go grumpig

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so Spoink is the only big miss, and honestly I think it's not bad with its new sig

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NEVER PUNISHED

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Yeah cuz that new sig turns fling into a 300 power dark move

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my goat nincada

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thats actually insane

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this run just

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has not missed

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Let’s a fucking goooooo

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extremely funny that the dog has just been absolutely stuffed out by this damn bug

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WHO WOULD WIN
the tankiest pokemon in the game
or
1hp bug

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that 20% bug is so much better than the 100% dog that we gamble every time

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anyway theres my fully evolved dark type

simple wagon
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it's just so…peak

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so now thievul isnt that exciting

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this box is looking cracked as fuck

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we just

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dont

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miss

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sparse grass

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theres no misses here tbh

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maybe phantump

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eclips

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is munna new here?

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got golett

simple wagon
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Munna is not new there

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guess im just stupid lmao

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golett is a new one this early for me actually

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golett isn't the big win there I think but still seems solid af

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dont think theres anything bad here

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gonna try and save hollowed layer

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so its time for this one

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don't forget ur free unown

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already got htem

simple wagon
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my favorite little creature

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the L Unown feels like a bad omen

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dont tempt fate

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i might fall like icarus but at least the flames will be pretty

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this box is crazy stacked

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yeagh

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so firstly for yez, is a calc

hardy girder
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kingler rake ohkos mogrem

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and should outspeed with frustrate

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maybe next to a golett

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no wait why

hardy girder
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Hmm?

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idk why i thought that golett would do anything against sandy lol

hardy girder
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Ah XP

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When does ninj evolve?

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28

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sandshrew seems a good 2nd lead

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toxtricity seems good here, for poliwrath and dartrix

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alr, got a team ready but cant do the fight quite yet

hardy girder
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Okii

wild dirge
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Tbf i think all youd need is a mon that learns pay day, a plus the more bulky it is, which the moves were distributed more

hardy girder
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Or later on your guarenteed Perserkurr

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alright

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yez2 coulda gone worse

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made one mistake which did cost a mon but

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coulda gone worse.

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o7

hardy girder
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We no longer know how to jump

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it was time i learned how

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Social distancing

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true

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time for chasm card encounters

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so heres the thing.

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i have good sand mons

hardy girder
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Flowers is better still

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i might try and get more good sand mons

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flowers is 50% chance of a good sand mon and also darkened skies drapion

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And the funny squirrel is also here

hardy girder
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And worst case is a bulky electric

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ok so.

kindred wave
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funny squirrel doesn't seem like a bad thing yeah

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i kinda assumed cacturne and heliolisk were sand mons

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i stand corrected.

kindred wave
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yeah they are not

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not even if like you squint iirc

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like there's just no toolkit

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kinda sad that heliolisk lost its "3 abilities for different weathers" thing it had

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cuz it had like, solar power, dry skin and sand veil in mainline

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though its cool here too so im not upset

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cactus

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lmao

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cactus or skip the key grind

kindred wave
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I think you can refind the key right?

wild dirge
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ye

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i better be able to

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cuz im takin cactus

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and given how the % gets bigger later it's better to just wait on that I think

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yeah cactus is broken

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Better nerf it again

hardy girder
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tbf I haven't actually taken cactus out for a spin in awhile so I could be wrong about that

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i highly doubt it tho

hardy girder
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It was pretty decent for what I used it for last run.

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whats the deal with cactus anyway

hardy girder
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And it used to have Cotton Guard.

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+12 spdef moment

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i see

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spiky shield leech seed and general bulk also go hard by themselves

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as a note, might be worth considering the stat cap that a lot of defensive scaling abilities have for grit and stamina

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spiky shield and leech seed seems like a good combo yeah

hardy girder
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Thorn rattle is also solid once you get it.

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spikes and parting shot? oh wow

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yeah def

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yeah maractus has a whole package

hardy girder
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Will be nice into Victorie

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crazy fella

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it's sorta like the most stressful thingis figuring out which things to drop from it lol

hardy girder
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But yeah its defo part of the reason why a bunch of gyms have jealousies/Jinx now xp

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dont think i take puddle now

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think im fine

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but volbeat

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but dhelmise

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true…

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But gumshoos….

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gumshoos is not any of those guys

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Fuck I thought this was teh menagrie

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Sorry

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lol

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the mudnagerie does actually seem like a very good encounter pool, especially because you can dupe out a zangoose/seviper

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river crossing...

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do i want a water

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kingler and quaggy says no i think

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i got a water anyways

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why does he look like that

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cuz he a rat

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how did you make me hate chewtle even more

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rattttttt

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🐀

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hot spring encounter....

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pretty cool

hardy girder
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PELEEEEE

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and hoothoot from svait!

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Yasss

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Awesome guy

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crazy

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the bergler

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and this time they didnt even kill themselves! how nice!

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how kind

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avalugg is a pretty good encounter tbh

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H.Avalugg is definitely more of a standout to me but in hail specifically the regular one is solid too

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yeah i guess the havalugg type is a lot less bad now

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plus lil bro has terraform if it was based

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120 BP hazard clearing move

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rock type, so there are only two guys that can spin block it

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alright

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do i bomb through to a shiny stone

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to have titanix for helena lol

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i think im mostly fine tbh

simple wagon
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would be pretty funny to bring Titanix and earthquake that toxtricity

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i mean, steelix can do that too

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i can just bring steelix

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yeah but it would be funnier if it were titanix

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thats true but like

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id have to either do the 1st velenz fight (scary)

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or avatar vileplume (very scary)

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Avatar vileplume is uh

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I think not so bad

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It gives you a stink bomb too

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poison/psychic seems very hard to resist

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I guess that's true yeah

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currently my only dark types are morgrem (weak to poison) and zigzagoon (is a zigzagoon)

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wait i just realised

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finna money farm a lil

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i never got my water starter

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LETS ROLL THE DICE!

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gamble gamble

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oh this is interesting

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if you roll sobble you have permission to reroll because he's a bit buggy rn

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the sound team grows

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peak

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think this is 5/6 of the helena team

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in fact steelix by itself is quite good lol

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though... this has trouble with hannibal

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wonder if porygon2 shock wave kills

kindred wave
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we did prove before that croagunk thunder punch KOs if you can switch it in, right

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needs a boosting item but yeah it does seem to

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magnet shock wave from porygon2 with 20 attack style points does 97%

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dang

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so just need a bigger boost than 1.2x

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i was thinking cv ghost p2

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you can probably just tank one hit I think

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chill is annoying but you should have the bulk?

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uhh brine and boreal wind both ~30%
unfortunately might be a bit of a spikes issue

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on the other hand that should be a fast 2HKO so you can probably just eat the damage?

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oh i think the calc is acting up

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combusken thunder punch does 87% or 97 damage to hannibal

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if i give it a muscle band...

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its saying 116%, or 129 damage

kindred wave
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what's your style point spread?

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20hp 20atk

kindred wave
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okay yeah that's not what it looks like on my end

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weird

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no hm

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seems like muscle band is gibing a 33% boost for some reason

kindred wave
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yeah

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with magnet it shows as less

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okay so that goes in website issues

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crazy

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either way muscle band isnt enough to kill there

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so i think croagunk is fine

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with electric gem

kindred wave
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combusken could also use strength herb I guess?

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depends on whether you think needing to switch onto boreal wind or discourage is more likely

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so to recap
maractus should be able to stall out and set up spikes on chinchou
steelix probably clear both toxtricity and luxio
toxtricity can kill probably just one of prinplup or kingler
croagunk, if i can bait a brine, kills hannibal

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wooper can likely deal with prinny actually

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ground gem tremor ohkos

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i dont have ground gem

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oh thats in shipping lane i just missed it lol

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item guide doing wonders

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yes it is, thank you kindly for your work

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so from my last slot i think i want something that

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  • baits in hannibal to use brine
  • provides a secondary check to luxio
kindred wave
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IIRC I think Steelix does this already

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the first part I mean

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secondary as in. if steelix cant deal with both luxio and tox

kindred wave
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let me check my old recordings

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but yeah hannibal definitely brines steelix

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i think my 6th slot is sandshrew

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ground type should bait brine, tough claws ground moves can kill a luxio

kindred wave
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yep steelix baits in hannibal on brine

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this definitely looks like a helena team

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oh

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maractus doesnt get spikes naturally yet

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lemme check...

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awkward

kindred wave
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you can just buy the tm from the spikes shop

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crater is too scary for now

kindred wave
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very fair

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aerodactyl and hitmonlee and shit, hell nah

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i will go and buy it leech seed rq thou

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yeah that hitmonlee's got hands

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also legs

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mainly legs

wild dirge
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in fact if it had no arms there'd be no change

kindred wave
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funnily enough that hitmonlee has mach punch so there would be a change

hardy girder
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Mach kick

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lmao

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oh right i should go beat up a kid for his shoes

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tectonic: the game where beating up a kid and getting a reward for it from his mom is virtually required to beat the third gym (on hard)

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XP

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timbs gotten

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Tims gotten

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i think im ready

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wait

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abilities

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almost fucked up so hard lmaooo

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thats better

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video is uploading

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but

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hannibal did not brine on the steelix.

hardy girder
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Lily had 2 pokemon named HowToJump

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had

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Lily now has 0 pokemon named HowToJump

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in retrospect i definitely should have taken a ghost type isntead of sandshrew.

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hot take

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You should have taken in CV Ghost Sandshrew.

kindred wave
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well i did

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hardy girder
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yeah, was odd.

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if i had to guess its because youre didnt have heavy duty boots?

kindred wave
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ahh

hardy girder
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That's... probably a reason yeah

kindred wave
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that didn't even occur to me

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brine does 76%

kindred wave
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yeah I had terraformed away spikes

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sorry that was completely my bad; should have realized that could have been a factor

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nah its all good

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i shouldve had a backup for that and i didnt

hardy girder
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honestly you steered pretty well though

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they used to call me the drift king back in college

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they were. very transphobic \j

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you know babe

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in all my years of knowing you

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I... wasn't expecting that reference

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wghere my lil man

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uh

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no 🐛?

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oh

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there he is

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oh there 🐛

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hi 🐛

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oh yeah you need to like. refresh the pokemon screen sometimes for things like this

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this makes perfect sense, actually

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so i have to do raikou either way, huh...

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porygon-z seems to absolutely shit on raf though

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immune to ghost, stab ghost move that ignores the downside due to always critting? count me in

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Porygon-z is amazing against raf yeah

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just gotta...

wild dirge
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i once used porygon-2 on raf funny enough

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[RAIKOU]
Ability = RUNNINGFREE
Moves1 = FROMTHEBLUE,THUNDERFANG,SIGNALBEAM,PRIMEVALTORMENT
Moves2 = DARKPULSE,ELECTROBALL,PRIMEVALROCKPOLISH
Moves3 = POWERGEM,ELECTROBALL,STINGINGJEALOUSY
HPMult = 8.0

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on second thought

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porygon-z + ninjask was actually the backbone of that raf fight iirc

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yeah if i get Z and ninjask its basically free lol

hardy girder
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Free rath is pretty nice

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gaminggaminggaminggaminggaminggaminggaming

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🎮

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oh i also get m-noctowl for raf?

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this poor, poor man.

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he is weak to psychic, i suppose

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hapy fat fuck friday

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so i could brave beartic avatar

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but like. why would i

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For fat fuck friday the sequal I guess

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nothing there really helps my raf

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so i might as well save it

hardy girder
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Real

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anyway yeah this set is so funny

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@hardy girder eevee name idea?

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I mean.

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kinda wanna do tmtrainer lol

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Glitched Crown, any of the Dice, DInf speficially

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or rainbow baby/fruit cake/3 dollar bill

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no beepo is tech x

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imma do fruit cake methink

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and then the pub eevee is 3 dollar bill

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when is luck herb again? im internally entertaining the idea of luck herb ancientpower

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its like a worse version of clangorous soulblaze

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held by farfetchd (is that a mengarie exclusive? rough) or surfing in county park

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gotcha

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god, toxtricity is so awesome

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yeah it is menagerie. a bit oof. comparatively, skill herb is available from pawniard which is in grouz

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funky fellow!

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A kitty

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wait a second

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this is fishous rend

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...oh my god it is

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Long lost ancestor

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they fishous rend into a spread move

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Its rock type spread fishious rend

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Admittedly its a lot slower p sure.

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ITS NINETY BASE SPEED

hardy girder
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Oh god

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any like

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petrifying isaac items

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W-well it doesn't have live fast

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Uhhhh

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Gnawed Leaf i guess

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oh yeah lets go

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youre just in time, i was about to name it moms bra lmao

hardy girder
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so...

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my only electrics are graveler and tox

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are we trading graveler for carni

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now that ive had my nest encounter, lets amass a raf box

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i have the spreadsheet pulled up so you can see what full evos you have

hardy girder
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alright heres my fully evolved mons, seperated by if they need a stone or not

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and heres the rest of the girls

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tbf unown does have pretty good stats starting around now

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dang, greedent doesnt get follow me

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oh right unown is fully evolved

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and there are a few guys in your box who get their second stage in 26-30 and might be worth considering

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yeah

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(trubbish)

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linoone especially

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oh what does garbo do for raf

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good for whimsi i suppose but doesnt it get sacred out by atropopeia and bellossom

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eh true

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hes just a big lardass

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true, but ghost resisting poison hurts it

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velenz and raikou would be good hits by my estimation

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hmm, thinking about frost spikes

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actually not that useful, the only mons affected are physical attackers

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best hazard in this fight is prolly either toxic spikes or just rocks

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i really should try and get a dusk stone, shouldnt i

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that also gets me either probo or jolte

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yuup

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[RAIKOU]
Ability = RUNNINGFREE
Moves1 = FROMTHEBLUE,THUNDERFANG,SIGNALBEAM,PRIMEVALTORMENT
Moves2 = DARKPULSE,ELECTROBALL,PRIMEVALROCKPOLISH
Moves3 = POWERGEM,ELECTROBALL,STINGINGJEALOUSY
HPMult = 8.0

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what's from the blue again

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are you on dev or release btw

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release

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oh thats crazy

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speed boosting electric move

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60bp agility

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it has elector ball in phase 2 and 3, so letting it click that is dangerous

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which forces me to open with triple ground types

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or 2 ground types and shedinja

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shedinja strikes again

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now thankfully, steelix is really good here and will prolly just be active the whole fight

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phases 2 and 3 hit shedinja

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yeah i dont think shed is the take

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i think its just sandshrew, steelix, pallossand

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golett also exists

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oh, pallossand probably gets waterlog

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right

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oh wait

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hold up

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cant waterlog raikou iirc

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sirocco?

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sand team?

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we sandygaming

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sounds pretty good to me

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does an avatar phase change heal non-volatile statuses?

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yes

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it also heals volatile statuses iirc

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wait yeah thats the one i meant

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does it cure curse

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im not gonna tell you yes for certain but im pretty sure it does

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i often use jinx for avatars and they clear jinx on phase change

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then prolly curse too

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avatar starts with middle, correct?

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or was it right

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Believe it is middle

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LETS FUCKIN GO

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the dizzy on pallo also proves i did not aid kit

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perfect

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Hell yeah

hardy girder
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Niceeee

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U seein this shit

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BEEPO ON BEEPO ACTION!!!

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alright i got my winning team \s

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i just realised, is nincada the only mon now to lose its type on evolving?

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cuz scyther is pure bug

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wait onix

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also dartrix

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im stupd

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there are a couple I remember asking this question

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dartrix twice over, funnily enough

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Makyan wurmple

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oh yeah

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dartrix is actually arguably better into raf unevolved anyways

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i was gonna say "unforunately ive got snivy"

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but wait

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does that work?

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eccentric to get a spatk boost instead

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contrary does not affect the gym curse

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oh what

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that would be way too easy

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besides inkay is pretty good into Rafael anyways

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certified hater behavior

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yeah but i dont have inkay i have snivy who kinda sucks into raf otherwise lol

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<- certified hater

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so weve already proven that ninji can ohko the nintales without it thinking twice about it

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how can we bait in the bellossom similarly

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give it something to try to kill with the fairy gem dazzling gleam

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i have a far crazier idea

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agility herb graveler

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baits in a grass move, is outsped and ohkod by rock tomb

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i should uh. get to raf first.

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im using my thunderstone on probopass

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probably a good call, sand seems to be the way rn

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my other option is jolteon, and jolteon wont be a raf mon

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you get another of each stone for free before zence anyways

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thats exactly why, yeah

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this is useful

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not for probopass though

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huge

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3x jumbo

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the triple jumbo

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say hello to the velenz cleanup crew

arctic cosmos
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Mavis has a wig….

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and a knife

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i will do what is fair and fight this lady anyways

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3/4 easily gotten

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alr easily made it

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ok so

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graveler doesnt actually work

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i was calcing a crit by accident

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i found my answer

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  • can be specced to outspeed bello
  • bello sees a kill with grass knot
  • bello sees that it doesnt get killed by granite head
  • bello gets killed by rock gem granite head
simple wagon
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they never see the rock gem coming...

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hold on

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item document

wild dirge
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m tangrowth

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stone nest

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ah

wild dirge
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I know this off the top of my head cause I never get that damn thing lmao

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that looks like an annoying war of attrition

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however, strength herb means i do 101/103hp

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time for a sidequest!

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what does primal ingrain do?

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ingrain but more

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gotcha

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1/4th hp

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pretty brutal

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obviously nerfed on avatars

simple wagon
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yeah it's way the fuck more lol

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this is so sad

wild dirge
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just get regice 1head

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so true bestie

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wait no why would regice help

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it learns it at 28 lmao

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cause legendaries are funni in level up sets

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oh right

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debug

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legs arent in until discovered

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ye

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can creep out add a bug weakness to a mon that already has one

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to make it 4x weak

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i think i found my answer. garbodor

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give it a black sludge, poison it, let aggravate do its work

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it comes back around to the trash man

hardy girder
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Uh oh stinky

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i can partner it with a shedinja to draw all the fire into garbodor i think hope

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or tox to apply the poison in the first place

simple wagon
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eventually I will standardize all level up sets, once I catch up on sleep and then catch up on sleep again

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either jess is a god, or could kill god, and i do not care if theres a difference

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still a great fan of how shedinja gets cursed oath, substitute and sandstorm

hardy girder
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XP

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Yeah sadly shedinja is slightly antisynergistic with ur sand mons

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utlity umbrella tho

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it helps with my weaknesses to ground grass and water

simple wagon
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is there literally anything to be done with substitute?

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no it either kills you or fails

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the others can be worked around, kinda

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cursed oath will still set the curse even if you die, sandstorm has umbrella

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this took a while

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when you beat tangrowth and unfreeze the mons, they should become static encounters

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(this would require nincada being moved somewhere because guaranteed shedinja breaks the nuzlocke)

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back to raf.

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drednaw and ninji should bait an opening double kill

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once again, theyll be going into whimsicott and dhelm

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ninjask u-turns to break the sub

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drednaw probably has to hard switch to avoid a ko from dhelm

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im not sure if dhelmise will try to kill drednaw or ninji, so i have to act according to either outcome

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im 70% confident i will win with 4 pokemon

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heres the line

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turn 1: bello and 9tales think theyre safe so stay in to kill dred. Dark gem night slash from ninji kills ninetales, rock gem granite head from drednaw kills bellossom. both are faster
dhelmise and whimsicott switch in for their (not being weak to rock and dark)
turn 2: drednaw hard switches to porygon-z. ninjask u-turns on whimsicott to break the sub, going to garbodor. garbodor tanks pixie punch easily. either garbodor tanks adamantine press or porygon tanks rootwrack.
turn 3: whimsicott tries to kill porygon-z with knock as it sees the fast kill. Garbodor with agility herb goes first and kos with clear smog. Ghost gem critical error kills dhelmise.
marowak and oricorio switch in.
turn 4: porygon-z outspeeds and ohkos oricorio. garbodor baits either bulldoze or fire lash, both fail into protect.
turn 5: even a -2 porygon-z is faster than marowak and ohkos with critical error

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points of failure:
whimsicott switches apotropaia turn 3, causing the herb to whiff

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after that, whimsicott comes back in on the dhelmise slot, so itll be
marowak - whimsicott (50 hp, sub up)
porygon-z - garbodor

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here, whimsicott uses knock on porygon and wak uses bulldoze

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actually, it can also be fire lash

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but knock is guaranteed

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porygon can actually switch back into ninjask there

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but the - speed hurts

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togetic.

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garbodor switches to physdef togetic

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who can follow me to redirect whimsicott and marowaks fire and fairy attack away from ninjask

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so alternative line:
turn 3: porygon-z kills dhelmise, whimsicott switches to marowak, garbodor does light chip to marowak.
whimsicott comes in on the dhelmise slot
turn 4: porygon-z switches to togetic, garbodor switches to...

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i realise ninj isnt reliable cuz it might go fire lash

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how does knock off work with the "when you get hit with a physical move" berries

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kee and jaboca

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items are almost always removed before they proc

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really?

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cuz colbur works on knock

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oh wait but thats before damage is applied, those berries are after

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the berry is eaten prior to the move

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i see my folly

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gotcha.

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what can i even give togetic then, either rocky helmet or just leave it blank ig

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wait no, holding an item doesnt increase knock damage in this

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...strike vest?

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strike vest on a follow me mon is kinda funny

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if it's gonna get knocked off and you dont wanna click follow me t1 then it does work

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well its switching in on a knock

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i dont think strike vest is pre-surf

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yeah it isnt

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it is not

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helmet then

hardy girder
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Or Covert Cloak

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That's 10% dr

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water balloon should trigger when knocked off \s

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cloak is too much effort

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i think water balloon should work when it is knocked off i think that would be fun

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Oh lmao

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lmao

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same brain cell

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oh hold on

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carnation stockpile has a red card

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that would be real funny

simple wagon
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carnation stockpile is very funny

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but once again, too much effort i think

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ill do stockpile after raf

simple wagon
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youd also have to win the triple

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thats what i mean with effort

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so who the fuck can switch into ground and fire...

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oh i thought you meant that planning out the red card line would be too much effort

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xatu is interesting

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baits more knocks and shadow bones which toge can tank for days i hope

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and sound moves bypass substitute right?

simple wagon
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yea

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so eerie spell should go past whimsi's sub and just kill it

hardy girder
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Ideally.

simple wagon
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but that would be resisted

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no

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?

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boomers

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💀

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get with the times

hardy girder
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Oh right grass got nerfed

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grass doesnt resist psychic anymore

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rip grass bozos

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im sleepy ok

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eepy

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this is the team, then

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alright

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so alternative line:
turn 3: porygon-z kills dhelmise, whimsicott switches to marowak, garbodor does light chip to marowak.
whimsicott comes in on the dhelmise slot
turn 4: porygon-z switches to togetic, garbodor switches to xatu. togetic tanks knock, xatu maybe has to tank fire lash, maybe not.
turn 5: togetic hits follow me, taking another knock off and a shadow bone. xatu kills whimsi from behind the sub with eerie spell. psychic gem in case of lefties healing.
oricorio switches in.
turn 6: apotropaia wants to shadow punch more, oricorio wants to ?????? lightning dance? squall dart on togetic? either way, xatu switches to porygon-z to block shadow punch. togetic switches to ninjask. if it squall darts, i barely tank it. if it lightning dances, im still faster
turn 7: ninjask night slashes oricorio, porygon-z critical errors marowak for the win

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lets do this.

wild dirge
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its... dark and bug now?

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and psychic itself

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yep

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alr. go time. be back in 5-10

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so.

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i made one mistake in the line

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and one mistake in putting the plan into the team

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BUT IT DIDNT MATTER

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Yassss

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im gonna take my steelix victory lap

simple wagon
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rolled and smoked tbh

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as for this...

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i mean once again, shedinja makes it a 3v5 really

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with a bit of spdef, pory should handle gourg

simple wagon
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shedinja is coupon to make it yez free again

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true

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just gotta find an answer to barb

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quagsire has promise

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oh, metang can come in and ohko with any kind of chip

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(with psychic cut i did not forget about steel absorb dw)

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Your runs have convinced me babe

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hm?

hardy girder
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I'm not changing my crater encounter.

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Because Shedinja both seems so good that not having it would be frustrating, and also he is boring

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yeah

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i think this is the last shed run im gonna do

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in the future he will be banned

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nincada encounter is just ninjask

simple wagon
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there are no encounters in the crater what are you talking about, there is just a free dog

hardy girder
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🐶

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ninjask, however, it still incredible, so its fine

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better than dog.

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grumpig is also there

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hell yeah

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Honestly part of me wishes dog was moved or removed and put in a 2nd encounter pool

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static dog is part of the "opt in easy mode" design along with static bliss and the early hooh and luigi

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I like dog but he's so good that crater's frankly very cool pool is hard to justify

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Yeah that's fair, and Happiny

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from a purely nuzlocke perspective

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it would be interesting if dog was in the ranger basement at crater

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so it competes with the carnivine trade

hardy girder
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Ohhh as an alternative to carni?

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Could make it a medical area and they are trying to treat it

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Also means no 🐶 for Yez2

simple wagon
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how often do yall even dog on her

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heres changes id make from a purely nuzlocke perspective, nothing more

  • dog is now in the chasm basement
  • full restore moved past tangrowth avatar
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i have never dogged on her

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But it would be good.

simple wagon
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moving the full restore doesnt really change anything

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you can just give it malk

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oh right

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And its less a case of it'd be bad more like "it'd be a pain in the ass"

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tbh we should talk about the nuzlocke being too easy uh

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after you beat it probably

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Yeah XP

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the callout

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Its less a case of easy

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More a case of interesting

simple wagon
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No I understand esp wrt shedinja

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i think the difficulty is mostly perfect as is right now

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*glances away from #1392350501726851233 *

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but I think that is just shedinja being a dumb boring little shit and there's very little that can change that

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yeah thats the point of the man

simple wagon
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you could ban wonder guard specifically and only use last gasp but like

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Yeah. There's a reason people who nuzlocke for content don't touch it with a 30 foot pole

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WERE IN THE MIDGAME

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Woop woop

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Ur makin me nervous xp

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lets see just how stacked this box can become

simple wagon
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this box is crazy im excited to see the team come together

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THE D12 LIKES MATH

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WHO COULDA GUESSED

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hm.

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Pass tbh

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i am currently a bit short on fire types

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I'd hold till you get to Priz east and guarentre a fire type.

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nah

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id prefer to dupe out kecleon here than in priz

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higher chances at the ever silly smeargle

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among others

hardy girder
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no the trade

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trade?

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in the ranger station

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oh is that for a kek?

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there's a kecleon trade there

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yeah

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what for?

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uhhhh don't remember

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its ANY WATER TYPE dayum

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im saving this yeah

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and both of those are valid trades for oricorio lol

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50/50 to either get magmortar or dupe out spheal for frostflow

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so if you dupe out kek then you have a 100% chance of getting an oricorio

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funny

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figment got

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bigment

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current box

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since no sceptile, what's the figment gonna be for?

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current debate

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sewaddle and dewpider can be duped out here

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arent those both kinda costly trades

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You need a bat for dewpider

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dewpider is "bat", sewaddle is ice type

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i do not have a bat

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I like Grass personally

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seviper-m seems pretty good

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Stantler is fascinate, seviper is a steel type, emolga's a wiggly dude, and Zangoose is not super fitting for what you want but hits like a truck and has a crazy typing

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wyrdeer seems fun actually with no guard

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i already have a lickilicky (its just called greedent instead)

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but also atlacross

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it would be so funny if this applied to each hit of a multihit move

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yeah atlacross would be sick but like

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grass

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for now

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thats another for my figment tbh

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boomburst

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save quitting for now, its bed time

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terrakion tomorrow

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alr, were so back

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but first, we go and clear out southern makya

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i didnt realise there was encounter spots there

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welp, no mew for me

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hm....

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durant....

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and as for this..

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im good on normals for now, grass time

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interesting

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Ive been debating something.

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Do i extend my random starter choice to also include novo fossil, chasm fossil and hekata origin ore

simple wagon
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I mean it's basically the same but like

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it's just a function of how much choice you want to eliminate

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also, the different fossils become reasonably available at different times

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enough dilly dallying, kill terrakion

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oh dang, amoonguss doesnt get leech

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huh.

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yeah

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debuff stacking is so strong

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sun, numb, defense boosts, fracture

young jungle
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this is really good to know for if I ever get this far in my run

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honse acquired

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prizca west has been reached

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sigh of relief

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grabbing my freebies first

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thats not a water type

hardy girder
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🐟

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and battle plaza has this fucking guy

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wait hes good, what

hardy girder
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Yea

simple wagon
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yeah bert is pretty good

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i also realised i should buy alolacat

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i now have alola cat

simple wagon
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turn that bitch into an ingerlish cat

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(g.meowth)

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i no longer have alolacat

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his side sprite makes him look like such a fuckin guy

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debating this vs goresola

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though i can also take gorsola and this, and not get garfetchd

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garfiel'd

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how am i on fighting types

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blaziken, sawk, perrserker, maybe braviary or galalde

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i think im fine?

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gimme that neutralizing gas

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and we actually get that neutrailzing gas

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AMAZING

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wild dirge
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I was already thinking about that yeah

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How much scattered coins do you get again? 10 per level?

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the multiplier on Plunder is 30

hardy girder
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Spicy.

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though notably it's based on the pseudo level, not the exact level

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(basically, the level used for scaling to the canon stat formula with tectonic's stat crunch)

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which is 15 + level / 2 unless you have accumulation

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oh right plunder is on kill right

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yeah

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sacred lots' multiplier is 2 per hit, pay day and gild are 8

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hm

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ive been putting myself under too pressure to succeed, i think

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im gonna move my break from the curselocke from "after this run" to "right now"

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always a smart move to look after yourself