#Lily's curselocke attempts and musings
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Grumpig is pretty cool
dog is boring lets go grumpig
so Spoink is the only big miss, and honestly I think it's not bad with its new sig
NEVER PUNISHED
Yeah cuz that new sig turns fling into a 300 power dark move
Let’s a fucking goooooo
extremely funny that the dog has just been absolutely stuffed out by this damn bug
WHO WOULD WIN
the tankiest pokemon in the game
or
1hp bug
that 20% bug is so much better than the 100% dog that we gamble every time
anyway theres my fully evolved dark type
it's just so…peak
so now thievul isnt that exciting
this box is looking cracked as fuck
we just
dont
miss
sparse grass
theres no misses here tbh
maybe phantump
eclips
is munna new here?
got golett
Munna is not new there
golett isn't the big win there I think but still seems solid af
dont think theres anything bad here
gonna try and save hollowed layer
so its time for this one
don't forget ur free unown
already got htem
my favorite little creature
the L Unown feels like a bad omen
this box is crazy stacked
Helps that you can still get a dog later
kingler rake ohkos mogrem
and should outspeed with frustrate
maybe next to a golett
no wait why
Hmm?
idk why i thought that golett would do anything against sandy lol
28
sandshrew seems a good 2nd lead
toxtricity seems good here, for poliwrath and dartrix
alr, got a team ready but cant do the fight quite yet
Okii
Tbf i think all youd need is a mon that learns pay day, a plus the more bulky it is, which the moves were distributed more
Or later on your guarenteed Perserkurr
alright
yez2 coulda gone worse
made one mistake which did cost a mon but
coulda gone worse.
o7
We no longer know how to jump
Social distancing
Flowers is better still
i might try and get more good sand mons
flowers is 50% chance of a good sand mon and also darkened skies drapion
And the funny squirrel is also here
And worst case is a bulky electric
ok so.
funny squirrel doesn't seem like a bad thing yeah
kinda sad that heliolisk lost its "3 abilities for different weathers" thing it had
cuz it had like, solar power, dry skin and sand veil in mainline
though its cool here too so im not upset
cactus
I think you can refind the key right?
ye
and given how the % gets bigger later it's better to just wait on that I think
yeah cactus is broken
Better nerf it again
You can
tbf I haven't actually taken cactus out for a spin in awhile so I could be wrong about that
i highly doubt it tho
It was pretty decent for what I used it for last run.
whats the deal with cactus anyway
Grit
And it used to have Cotton Guard.
+12 spdef moment
i see
spiky shield leech seed and general bulk also go hard by themselves
as a note, might be worth considering the stat cap that a lot of defensive scaling abilities have for grit and stamina
spiky shield and leech seed seems like a good combo yeah
Thorn rattle is also solid once you get it.
spikes and parting shot? oh wow
Will be nice into Victorie
crazy fella
it's sorta like the most stressful thingis figuring out which things to drop from it lol
But yeah its defo part of the reason why a bunch of gyms have jealousies/Jinx now xp
but volbeat
but dhelmise
true…
But gumshoos….
gumshoos is not any of those guys
lol
the mudnagerie does actually seem like a very good encounter pool, especially because you can dupe out a zangoose/seviper
river crossing...
do i want a water
kingler and quaggy says no i think
i got a water anyways
why does he look like that
cuz he a rat
how did you make me hate chewtle even more
and hoothoot from svait!
how kind
avalugg is a pretty good encounter tbh
H.Avalugg is definitely more of a standout to me but in hail specifically the regular one is solid too
yeah i guess the havalugg type is a lot less bad now
plus lil bro has terraform if it was based
120 BP hazard clearing move
rock type, so there are only two guys that can spin block it
alright
do i bomb through to a shiny stone
to have titanix for helena lol
i think im mostly fine tbh
would be pretty funny to bring Titanix and earthquake that toxtricity
yeah but it would be funnier if it were titanix
thats true but like
id have to either do the 1st velenz fight (scary)
or avatar vileplume (very scary)
poison/psychic seems very hard to resist
thats what i mean yeah, either do the first fight or stink bomb it from plumey
I guess that's true yeah
currently my only dark types are morgrem (weak to poison) and zigzagoon (is a zigzagoon)
wait i just realised
finna money farm a lil
i never got my water starter
LETS ROLL THE DICE!
gamble gamble
oh this is interesting
if you roll sobble you have permission to reroll because he's a bit buggy rn
the sound team grows
peak
can confirm that steelix by itself is more than good enough
think this is 5/6 of the helena team
in fact steelix by itself is quite good lol
still probably true to be safe, but fwiw i've been using it on my team and haven't noticed any issues since 3.3.2, it's just on enemy trainers
though... this has trouble with hannibal
do you want a ghost to stop discourage shenanigans? or just roll with it
we did prove before that croagunk thunder punch KOs if you can switch it in, right
needs a boosting item but yeah it does seem to
magnet shock wave from porygon2 with 20 attack style points does 97%
dang
so just need a bigger boost than 1.2x
i was thinking cv ghost p2
you can probably just tank one hit I think
chill is annoying but you should have the bulk?
uhh brine and boreal wind both ~30%
unfortunately might be a bit of a spikes issue
on the other hand that should be a fast 2HKO so you can probably just eat the damage?
oh i think the calc is acting up
combusken thunder punch does 87% or 97 damage to hannibal
if i give it a muscle band...
its saying 116%, or 129 damage
what's your style point spread?
20hp 20atk
seems like muscle band is gibing a 33% boost for some reason
crazy
either way muscle band isnt enough to kill there
so i think croagunk is fine
with electric gem
combusken could also use strength herb I guess?
depends on whether you think needing to switch onto boreal wind or discourage is more likely
so to recap
maractus should be able to stall out and set up spikes on chinchou
steelix probably clear both toxtricity and luxio
toxtricity can kill probably just one of prinplup or kingler
croagunk, if i can bait a brine, kills hannibal
wooper can likely deal with prinny actually
ground gem tremor ohkos
i dont have ground gem
oh thats in shipping lane i just missed it lol
item guide doing wonders
yes it is, thank you kindly for your work
so from my last slot i think i want something that
- baits in hannibal to use brine
- provides a secondary check to luxio
secondary as in. if steelix cant deal with both luxio and tox
let me check my old recordings
but yeah hannibal definitely brines steelix
i think my 6th slot is sandshrew
ground type should bait brine, tough claws ground moves can kill a luxio
yep steelix baits in hannibal on brine
this definitely looks like a helena team
oh
maractus doesnt get spikes naturally yet
lemme check...
awkward
you can just buy the tm from the spikes shop
crater is too scary for now
very fair
mainly legs
in fact if it had no arms there'd be no change
funnily enough that hitmonlee has mach punch so there would be a change
Mach kick
tectonic: the game where beating up a kid and getting a reward for it from his mom is virtually required to beat the third gym (on hard)
XP
timbs gotten
Tims gotten
i feel very betrayed rn.
video is uploading
but
hannibal did not brine on the steelix.
Lily had 2 pokemon named HowToJump
had
Lily now has 0 pokemon named HowToJump
in retrospect i definitely should have taken a ghost type isntead of sandshrew.
huh
well i did
he clicked discourage!
yeah, was odd.
if i had to guess its because youre didnt have heavy duty boots?
ahh
That's... probably a reason yeah
that didn't even occur to me
brine does 76%
yeah I had terraformed away spikes
sorry that was completely my bad; should have realized that could have been a factor
honestly you steered pretty well though
you know babe
in all my years of knowing you
I... wasn't expecting that reference
oh yeah you need to like. refresh the pokemon screen sometimes for things like this
this makes perfect sense, actually
so i have to do raikou either way, huh...
porygon-z seems to absolutely shit on raf though
immune to ghost, stab ghost move that ignores the downside due to always critting? count me in
Porygon-z is amazing against raf yeah
just gotta...
i once used porygon-2 on raf funny enough
[RAIKOU]
Ability = RUNNINGFREE
Moves1 = FROMTHEBLUE,THUNDERFANG,SIGNALBEAM,PRIMEVALTORMENT
Moves2 = DARKPULSE,ELECTROBALL,PRIMEVALROCKPOLISH
Moves3 = POWERGEM,ELECTROBALL,STINGINGJEALOUSY
HPMult = 8.0
on second thought
porygon-z + ninjask was actually the backbone of that raf fight iirc
yeah if i get Z and ninjask its basically free lol
Free rath is pretty nice

gaminggaminggaminggaminggaminggaminggaming
🎮
oh i also get m-noctowl for raf?
this poor, poor man.
he is weak to psychic, i suppose
hapy fat fuck friday
so i could brave beartic avatar
but like. why would i
For fat fuck friday the sequal I guess
Real
I mean.
kinda wanna do tmtrainer lol
Glitched Crown, any of the Dice, DInf speficially
Isn't that beepo?
imma do fruit cake methink
and then the pub eevee is 3 dollar bill
when is luck herb again? im internally entertaining the idea of luck herb ancientpower
its like a worse version of clangorous soulblaze
held by farfetchd (is that a mengarie exclusive? rough) or surfing in county park
yeah it is menagerie. a bit oof. comparatively, skill herb is available from pawniard which is in grouz
funky fellow!
A kitty
they fishous rend into a spread move
ITS NINETY BASE SPEED
Oh god
W-well it doesn't have live fast

so...
my only electrics are graveler and tox
are we trading graveler for carni
now that ive had my nest encounter, lets amass a raf box
i have the spreadsheet pulled up so you can see what full evos you have
Probably either that or H!Orb if you really want it.
alright heres my fully evolved mons, seperated by if they need a stone or not
and heres the rest of the girls
tbf unown does have pretty good stats starting around now
and there are a few guys in your box who get their second stage in 26-30 and might be worth considering
yeah
(trubbish)
linoone especially
oh what does garbo do for raf
good for whimsi i suppose but doesnt it get sacred out by atropopeia and bellossom
true, but ghost resisting poison hurts it
velenz and raikou would be good hits by my estimation
hmm, thinking about frost spikes
actually not that useful, the only mons affected are physical attackers
best hazard in this fight is prolly either toxic spikes or just rocks
i really should try and get a dusk stone, shouldnt i
that also gets me either probo or jolte
yuup
[RAIKOU]
Ability = RUNNINGFREE
Moves1 = FROMTHEBLUE,THUNDERFANG,SIGNALBEAM,PRIMEVALTORMENT
Moves2 = DARKPULSE,ELECTROBALL,PRIMEVALROCKPOLISH
Moves3 = POWERGEM,ELECTROBALL,STINGINGJEALOUSY
HPMult = 8.0
what's from the blue again
are you on dev or release btw
speed boosting electric move
60bp agility
it has elector ball in phase 2 and 3, so letting it click that is dangerous
which forces me to open with triple ground types
or 2 ground types and shedinja
shedinja strikes again
now thankfully, steelix is really good here and will prolly just be active the whole fight
phases 2 and 3 hit shedinja
golett also exists
cant waterlog raikou iirc
we sandygaming
sounds pretty good to me
I brought it to my raf in my og run ahaha
does an avatar phase change heal non-volatile statuses?
im not gonna tell you yes for certain but im pretty sure it does
i often use jinx for avatars and they clear jinx on phase change
then prolly curse too
Believe it is middle
Hell yeah
Niceeee
U seein this shit
BEEPO ON BEEPO ACTION!!!
alright i got my winning team \s
i just realised, is nincada the only mon now to lose its type on evolving?
cuz scyther is pure bug
wait onix
also dartrix
im stupd
there are a couple I remember asking this question
dartrix twice over, funnily enough
Makyan wurmple
oh yeah
dartrix is actually arguably better into raf unevolved anyways
i was gonna say "unforunately ive got snivy"
but wait
does that work?
eccentric to get a spatk boost instead
contrary does not affect the gym curse
oh what
certified hater behavior
yeah but i dont have inkay i have snivy who kinda sucks into raf otherwise lol
<- certified hater
so weve already proven that ninji can ohko the nintales without it thinking twice about it
how can we bait in the bellossom similarly
give it something to try to kill with the fairy gem dazzling gleam
i have a far crazier idea
agility herb graveler
baits in a grass move, is outsped and ohkod by rock tomb
i should uh. get to raf first.
im using my thunderstone on probopass
probably a good call, sand seems to be the way rn
my other option is jolteon, and jolteon wont be a raf mon
you get another of each stone for free before zence anyways
Mavis has a wig….
and a knife
i will do what is fair and fight this lady anyways
3/4 easily gotten
alr easily made it
ok so
graveler doesnt actually work
i was calcing a crit by accident
i found my answer

- can be specced to outspeed bello
- bello sees a kill with grass knot
- bello sees that it doesnt get killed by granite head
- bello gets killed by rock gem granite head
they never see the rock gem coming...
m tangrowth
I know this off the top of my head cause I never get that damn thing lmao
that looks like an annoying war of attrition
however, strength herb means i do 101/103hp
time for a sidequest!
what does primal ingrain do?
ingrain but more
gotcha
yeah it's way the fuck more lol
this is so sad
just get regice 1head
debug
legs arent in until discovered
ye
can creep out add a bug weakness to a mon that already has one
to make it 4x weak
i think i found my answer. garbodor
give it a black sludge, poison it, let aggravate do its work
it comes back around to the trash man
Uh oh stinky
i can partner it with a shedinja to draw all the fire into garbodor i think hope
or tox to apply the poison in the first place
not if I have anything to do with it
eventually I will standardize all level up sets, once I catch up on sleep and then catch up on sleep again
either jess is a god, or could kill god, and i do not care if theres a difference
still a great fan of how shedinja gets cursed oath, substitute and sandstorm
is there literally anything to be done with substitute?
no it either kills you or fails
the others can be worked around, kinda
cursed oath will still set the curse even if you die, sandstorm has umbrella
this took a while
when you beat tangrowth and unfreeze the mons, they should become static encounters
(this would require nincada being moved somewhere because guaranteed shedinja breaks the nuzlocke)
back to raf.
drednaw and ninji should bait an opening double kill
once again, theyll be going into whimsicott and dhelm
ninjask u-turns to break the sub
drednaw probably has to hard switch to avoid a ko from dhelm
im not sure if dhelmise will try to kill drednaw or ninji, so i have to act according to either outcome
im 70% confident i will win with 4 pokemon
heres the line
turn 1: bello and 9tales think theyre safe so stay in to kill dred. Dark gem night slash from ninji kills ninetales, rock gem granite head from drednaw kills bellossom. both are faster
dhelmise and whimsicott switch in for their (not being weak to rock and dark)
turn 2: drednaw hard switches to porygon-z. ninjask u-turns on whimsicott to break the sub, going to garbodor. garbodor tanks pixie punch easily. either garbodor tanks adamantine press or porygon tanks rootwrack.
turn 3: whimsicott tries to kill porygon-z with knock as it sees the fast kill. Garbodor with agility herb goes first and kos with clear smog. Ghost gem critical error kills dhelmise.
marowak and oricorio switch in.
turn 4: porygon-z outspeeds and ohkos oricorio. garbodor baits either bulldoze or fire lash, both fail into protect.
turn 5: even a -2 porygon-z is faster than marowak and ohkos with critical error
points of failure:
whimsicott switches apotropaia turn 3, causing the herb to whiff
after that, whimsicott comes back in on the dhelmise slot, so itll be
marowak - whimsicott (50 hp, sub up)
porygon-z - garbodor
here, whimsicott uses knock on porygon and wak uses bulldoze
actually, it can also be fire lash
but knock is guaranteed
porygon can actually switch back into ninjask there
but the - speed hurts
togetic.
garbodor switches to physdef togetic
who can follow me to redirect whimsicott and marowaks fire and fairy attack away from ninjask
so alternative line:
turn 3: porygon-z kills dhelmise, whimsicott switches to marowak, garbodor does light chip to marowak.
whimsicott comes in on the dhelmise slot
turn 4: porygon-z switches to togetic, garbodor switches to...
i realise ninj isnt reliable cuz it might go fire lash
how does knock off work with the "when you get hit with a physical move" berries
kee and jaboca
items are almost always removed before they proc
really?
cuz colbur works on knock
oh wait but thats before damage is applied, those berries are after
the berry is eaten prior to the move
i see my folly
gotcha.
what can i even give togetic then, either rocky helmet or just leave it blank ig
wait no, holding an item doesnt increase knock damage in this
...strike vest?
strike vest on a follow me mon is kinda funny
if it's gonna get knocked off and you dont wanna click follow me t1 then it does work
yeah it isnt
i think water balloon should work when it is knocked off i think that would be fun
Oh lmao
lmao
same brain cell
oh hold on
carnation stockpile has a red card
that would be real funny
carnation stockpile is very funny
youd also have to win the triple
oh i thought you meant that planning out the red card line would be too much effort
xatu is interesting
baits more knocks and shadow bones which toge can tank for days i hope
and sound moves bypass substitute right?
yea
so eerie spell should go past whimsi's sub and just kill it
Ideally.
but that would be resisted
💀
get with the times
Oh right grass got nerfed
grass doesnt resist psychic anymore
eepy
so alternative line:
turn 3: porygon-z kills dhelmise, whimsicott switches to marowak, garbodor does light chip to marowak.
whimsicott comes in on the dhelmise slot
turn 4: porygon-z switches to togetic, garbodor switches to xatu. togetic tanks knock, xatu maybe has to tank fire lash, maybe not.
turn 5: togetic hits follow me, taking another knock off and a shadow bone. xatu kills whimsi from behind the sub with eerie spell. psychic gem in case of lefties healing.
oricorio switches in.
turn 6: apotropaia wants to shadow punch more, oricorio wants to ?????? lightning dance? squall dart on togetic? either way, xatu switches to porygon-z to block shadow punch. togetic switches to ninjask. if it squall darts, i barely tank it. if it lightning dances, im still faster
turn 7: ninjask night slashes oricorio, porygon-z critical errors marowak for the win
lets do this.
I've definitely found psychic a lot harder to bring resists for lol
yep
alr. go time. be back in 5-10

so.
i made one mistake in the line
and one mistake in putting the plan into the team
BUT IT DIDNT MATTER
Yassss
im gonna take my steelix victory lap
rolled and smoked tbh
yeah
as for this...
i mean once again, shedinja makes it a 3v5 really
with a bit of spdef, pory should handle gourg
shedinja is coupon to make it yez free again
true
just gotta find an answer to barb
quagsire has promise
oh, metang can come in and ohko with any kind of chip
(with psychic cut i did not forget about steel absorb dw)
doubly so because ninjask positively nae naes on malamar
Your runs have convinced me babe
hm?
I'm not changing my crater encounter.
Because Shedinja both seems so good that not having it would be frustrating, and also he is boring
yeah
i think this is the last shed run im gonna do
in the future he will be banned
nincada encounter is just ninjask
there are no encounters in the crater what are you talking about, there is just a free dog
🐶
grumpig is also there
hell yeah
Honestly part of me wishes dog was moved or removed and put in a 2nd encounter pool
static dog is part of the "opt in easy mode" design along with static bliss and the early hooh and luigi
I like dog but he's so good that crater's frankly very cool pool is hard to justify
Yeah that's fair, and Happiny
from a purely nuzlocke perspective
it would be interesting if dog was in the ranger basement at crater
so it competes with the carnivine trade
Ohhh as an alternative to carni?
Could make it a medical area and they are trying to treat it
Also means no 🐶 for Yez2
how often do yall even dog on her
heres changes id make from a purely nuzlocke perspective, nothing more
- dog is now in the chasm basement
- full restore moved past tangrowth avatar
i have never dogged on her
oh right
And its less a case of it'd be bad more like "it'd be a pain in the ass"
Yeah XP
the callout
No I understand esp wrt shedinja
i think the difficulty is mostly perfect as is right now
*glances away from #1392350501726851233 *
but I think that is just shedinja being a dumb boring little shit and there's very little that can change that
yeah thats the point of the man
you could ban wonder guard specifically and only use last gasp but like
Yeah. There's a reason people who nuzlocke for content don't touch it with a 30 foot pole
WERE IN THE MIDGAME
lets see just how stacked this box can become
this box is crazy im excited to see the team come together
Pass tbh
i am currently a bit short on fire types
I'd hold till you get to Priz east and guarentre a fire type.
nah
id prefer to dupe out kecleon here than in priz
higher chances at the ever silly smeargle
among others
no the trade
trade?
in the ranger station
oh is that for a kek?
what for?
uhhhh don't remember
and both of those are valid trades for oricorio lol
50/50 to either get magmortar or dupe out spheal for frostflow
so if you dupe out kek then you have a 100% chance of getting an oricorio
bigment
current box
since no sceptile, what's the figment gonna be for?
current debate
no idea! maybe sacred fire?
sewaddle and dewpider can be duped out here
arent those both kinda costly trades
You need a bat for dewpider
dewpider is "bat", sewaddle is ice type
i do not have a bat
I like Grass personally
seviper-m seems pretty good
Stantler is fascinate, seviper is a steel type, emolga's a wiggly dude, and Zangoose is not super fitting for what you want but hits like a truck and has a crazy typing
wyrdeer seems fun actually with no guard
i already have a lickilicky (its just called greedent instead)
but also atlacross
it would be so funny if this applied to each hit of a multihit move
yeah atlacross would be sick but like
grass
dope
for now
thats another for my figment tbh
boomburst
save quitting for now, its bed time
terrakion tomorrow
Ive been debating something.
Do i extend my random starter choice to also include novo fossil, chasm fossil and hekata origin ore
I mean it's basically the same but like
it's just a function of how much choice you want to eliminate
also, the different fossils become reasonably available at different times
enough dilly dallying, kill terrakion
oh dang, amoonguss doesnt get leech
huh.
yeah
debuff stacking is so strong
sun, numb, defense boosts, fracture
this is really good to know for if I ever get this far in my run
honse acquired
prizca west has been reached
sigh of relief
grabbing my freebies first
thats not a water type
Yea
yeah bert is pretty good
debating this vs goresola
though i can also take gorsola and this, and not get garfetchd
garfiel'd
how am i on fighting types
blaziken, sawk, perrserker, maybe braviary or galalde
i think im fine?
gimme that neutralizing gas
and we actually get that neutrailzing gas
AMAZING
this could go crazy with perrserker
I was already thinking about that yeah
How much scattered coins do you get again? 10 per level?
the multiplier on Plunder is 30
Spicy.
though notably it's based on the pseudo level, not the exact level
(basically, the level used for scaling to the canon stat formula with tectonic's stat crunch)
which is 15 + level / 2 unless you have accumulation
oh right plunder is on kill right
hm
ive been putting myself under too pressure to succeed, i think
im gonna move my break from the curselocke from "after this run" to "right now"
always a smart move to look after yourself

