Users Affiliated With RPA Vendors Should Disclose Relationship

[past dragon]

To preserve freedom of speech and prevent brigading. The user I am referring to has apparently left the server, but not before posting for several days hyping/staunchly defending his employer's software, while aggressively shutting down criticism.

[heady herald]

I disagree and will argue that it was you saying stuff about UiPath that was false. I'm not affiliated to UiPath in any way and have no interest in it whatsoever, as I work with PA myself. But I feel like you're overreacting and essentially acting a bit butthurt, imo

[round wing]

In the perfect world, yes. But the right to anonymity trumphs it imo.

[heady herald]

Had I seen false info being said about PA, I would shut it down myself, even though I don't work for MS.

[past dragon]

We could go and analyse what I've said, how much of it was false, the context of why I said it, the intent of what I said etc but that's not really the point here. Or you could balance it against everything else I have posted which is mostly friendly and helpful.

[foggy narwhal]

The right to disclose one's professional work is purely upto the person themselves. They are under no obligation to disclose as there is nothing legally binding happening in this server . It's a personal choice in my opinion and I don't think we should force anyone to divulge such things ( even if we could )

[past dragon]

I'm just giving some general feedback. Can other people call it out then?

[round wing]

Hey Alice, I enjoy (and learn from) your answers 🥰 Usually, when I see something that I disagree with online, I ignore it. Saves me a lot of trouble/hours 😀

[heady herald]

The fact they work for UiPath has nothing to do with their right to tell you what you said is incorrect.

[foggy narwhal]

We definitely value your help @past dragon 🙂

[past dragon]

@heady herald You keep saying the words False and Incorrect. Care to share the examples then?

In the IDP thread, i initially (correctly) called that it was basically the same as Azure Document Intelligence (they use the same transformer model)...it was only after dion said it was totally wrong that I carelessly made an inaccurate reply

[fathom radish]

Oh, geez. This is a petty and frankly embarrassing thread topic.

[past dragon]

keep in mind that Azure Document Intelligence is far cheaper than UiPath's AI units,

@fathom radish I value your right to speak but why go around shutting other people down lol

[fathom radish]

No one is shutting you down

On the contrary, you’ve had many people encouraging you to continue engaging here - myself included

[past dragon]

@fathom radish you appear to have followed me into here just to make a nasty comment

[fathom radish]

Someone posted the thread in the help channel, I followed that had no idea who made the thread

Now that I’ve seen it, I find it an embarrassing topic that one would suggest that in online anonymous, private, optional server that people should disclose anything about themselves

[past dragon]

Frankly I made this thread because 1. it is a common for communities to request such disclosure and 2. i felt like I was somewhat targeted because of his affiliation and 3. it's also about precedent, and we shouldn't be focusing on my one incident specifically.

[fathom radish]

Replying to people and correcting their statements is not targeting, it’s called a conversation

[fathom radish]

You must be in very different discord servers than I am, because I’ve literally never seen such a request.

[past dragon]

well here's the example right? am i 100% wrong because they use the same AI model, just different fine tuning

[fathom radish]

I thought we weren’t focusing on your one incident specifically 🙂

[past dragon]

in a thread titled "Best IDP tool in the market"

just trying to give you a practical example mate

[fathom radish]

So pick a lane, you can’t say to ignore your situation, but then reference it.

not to mention that none of this has to do with disclosing one’s relationships with employers, or vendors, or whatever

[past dragon]

Why are you here to just pick a fight, you've stated your opinion and I respect it

[fathom radish]

Again, having a conversation is not picking a fight.

[past dragon]

Your conversations must be fun lol

[fathom radish]

you literally started this thread for people to engage in, and now you don’t want engagement?

Mixed signals, not sticking to a lane. Kind of hard to stay on topic.

[past dragon]

I feel like i made my concerns pretty clear tbh

Meanwhile I don't quite know what you are here for

[fathom radish]

you have, and I am stating my counter arguments that I don’t think they have merit.

This is not a discussion in good faith nor does it have merit as a topic worth taking seriously. @past dragon you clearly seem to have some vendetta against UiPath, some axe to grind, and don’t take well to conflicting opinions. Which, to be honest, is natural — people (myself included) bristle at such opposition. But it’s just a convo we’re free to engage in — or not.

But to then suggest people must disclose relationships outside this anonymous world is ludicrous. It suggests that people are having countering opinions based solely on their associations, and not the validity of their arguments.

[past dragon]

"Best IDP Tool in the Market" thread, with a UiPath Sales employee hyping the product without disclosure is getting pretty close to the line, wherever you draw it

[fathom radish]

He is not going to get a sale out of this. And as an employee allegedly, he’s going to know more about the tool than your average person here — so he will have some beneficial insight. Best tool on that is likely subjective to the task at hand, and shouldn’t be taken so seriously. Requiring disclosures to participate in a free will engagement is ludicrous.

[past dragon]

Vendetta and axe to grind ? Because I made a video? Lol. And because I called out some poor product direction & scummy practices? I was literally about to release some tutorials for UiPath

[fathom radish]

No, I don’t know or care about any video. But because of you regularly putting down uipath here and creating this threat of a witchhunt.

[past dragon]

Show evidence and context please

[fathom radish]

I am on mobile, so I’m not going to do that, but I’ve already referenced recently such an example in the UiPath help channel.

[past dragon]

Giving coded examples is not putting down UiPath.

[fathom radish]

That is not to what I am referring, nor what I ever said.

[past dragon]

Well at least you derailed my attempt at a constructive discussion here. Guess you're really good at what you do.

[fathom radish]

This comment about OP and replying to your various OT questions is derailing? Interesting.

[past dragon]

You have every right to reply or say whatever you like. I don't much care. I am just lamenting it's effect on my thread lol

[fathom radish]

Any effect is driven by your continual engagement with me, and your absence of replies to my arguments against the topic of this thread. Where the majority of replies by all users are against the idea put forward.

[past dragon]

Me letting you speak should give you enough of an idea about my views of a free, open community. Don't mistake my friendliness for weakness.

[fathom radish]

Lol, you don't have any ability to control my speech -- you aren't letting or not letting me do anything. And I don't think you're weak? What a weird remark.

"I am just lamenting it's effect on my thread lol"
My comment was drived at the fact that your replies have more of an effect on the thread than anything I've said, as you're not addressing mine and others OT remarks and instead engage in OT topics. If you don't like how this has played out, you have yourself to thank.

[heady herald]

I saw your comments on UiPath's licensing and while I'm not an expert on the topic, I believe Neo (who knows stuff around UiPath) and Dion, who apparently works for UiPath, when they say your comments were incorrect, mainly because your knowledge is outdated. Imo, when you say stuff about things, but your own knowledge of the topic is outdated, that's a much more important disclaimer to make, than your own affiliations.

[past dragon]

I disclaimed it many, many times

And who is he to even know how we were using the software, not every org has dedicated machines. This specific case was for multiple subsidiaries and even external consulting.

[foggy narwhal]

@past dragon i request you to please suggest your thoughts in #🎟・share-feedback section via a ticket. That way it can be discussed by our team and if it seems right, we can do something about it. I don't think having any discussion here will lead to something of value at this stage

[heady herald]

Honestly, I don't see this discussion being productive in any way. Mainly because Dion is not here anyway and I feel it is a bit unethical to discuss him without him being here. Also because we clearly do not agree and it doesn't seem like we will. I did take the wrong approach of accusing you of stuff, when my original intention was to defend a position of someone else. I am sorry about that - I was just fueling an unproductive and aggravated discussion.

[past dragon]

No need for ticket @foggy narwhal , let's wrap it up here. Thanks @heady herald , I spoke too carelessly and accidentally ran into a lot of problems here. On account of being new, I guess I just expected more balanced views in the community (eg r/rpa is rather negative). I'm happy to take a back seat here and stay out of trouble, but I'll most likely be sharing some "controversial" opinions in other forums. If that's a problem, I may as well just go ☹️. In hindsight, this thread is rather silly given that many people are financially connected with vendors and what I was asking would have made it awkward. I was just angry because learning about his job explained a lot of things that happened.

[fathom radish]

Lol, “many” are now connected to vendors and that’s the issue? What a farce of a comment, truly. Disingenuous remarks and absolute lack of accountability and culpability.