#Increase Solarion's Battle Block

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smoky flax
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Solarion's egregiously low battle block is ridiculous. Although barely justifiable on literally any of the other classes that wield it, such as Shadow Hunter and Ice Sage, it's an offensive number for the Solarion to carry. Most of the Solarion's damage comes from its ultimate ability, which gives it crowd control, and the parrot doesn't last forever in situations that it would take a lot of damage, pretty much meaning that all of Solarion's gameplay has to be close up to actually do anything with it. Even if you were to regard the other abilities, Solarion will still need to be up close to make them efficient, unlike Gunslinger(||which shares the same battle||) that is entirely ranged.

We also clearly see that the amount of damage is not a resolver of any current battle block numbers. Boomeranger has 180+ battle on Bow(||which is a tad bit excessive but consider dual weapon users + a few other things i won't list here||) and 500+ battle on Sword towards its peak.

With the complaints out of the way I think a reasonable stance is to place the average number in between Boomeranger Bow and Dracolyte's current battle. Let ASSUME that at 8 million health, 12000 health regen, 1300 stability, you have 37 Battle Block. Then:

  • 37 Battle Block -> 235 Battle Block

Even if you disagree with the number listed, thumbs up/down under the ideal that the number does/doesn't deserve an increase, not that the number should be entirely agreed on.

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i have a couple of other takes on the battle block counts on classes, but this is the only serious problem with it

plucky warren
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Sol is a ranged class so it's battle block should be low smh

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Battle block was specifically made to benefit melee classes significantly more

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So sol having low block is the system working perfectly

smoky flax
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is that incorrect

plucky warren
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It uses bow so it's ranged

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Close range still has range in the name

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Also sol oneshots everything in d15 you shouldn't even be getting hit at all

smoky flax
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in d15 the count is irrelevant but in depths / high delve, terror wipes battle quickly for classes that can't keep range

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solarion fits into that category

plucky warren
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Then swap classes

smoky flax
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shouldn't have to. literally every other class with the same battle survives due to the fact it can stay far away and solarion can't

plucky warren
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Then go to a class that can handle it better

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Classes are good at different things if a class could do absolutely everything then it would make the whole point of having classes useless

smoky flax
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end argument 😔

plucky warren
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Why should every class be good at everything

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That's just same as having 1 class

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If every class could do 500 ms like neon ninja and solo a void antumbral boss as fast as boomer/sol there would be no reason to specialise class builds based on the areas of the game you spend the most time in

smoky flax
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i don't have the words. might asw call you right on this

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but its not that i want every class to be op i just want every class to be independent

plucky warren
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The way classes should be designed is they should have strengths and weaknesses, and they should be able to solo in the areas that they are strong, and need help in the areas they are weak, ideally accompanied by someone playing a class which is strong in that area.

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Trove is kinda a multiplayer game expecting all content to be an easy experience solo on all classes is flawed

severe gyro
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The block count difference between ranged and melee is a little too much imo

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In bad cases, 40 block per floor might not be enough

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At the very least, each class should have 70 i think

proud hawk
smoky flax
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as such even though it is top at doing content the earliest, and the sword counterpart performing the best without flasks, gs/sol/rev beat at the d15 5, nn/ll/sh/dt/kn/tr/bd - so many possible replacement options for the d15 5 after mystic gems came out, nn/dt/kn/sh/bd and a gs fully built for speed all getting more dungeons/hr than it, and being faster than it naturally due to being able to keep up the speed buff more... you get the point, there are so many options at that point, most people consider not needing br to clear a certain portion of non-delve content 'graduating' from it. how many times has someone in their head say "i dont need br anymore yay"

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it truly is the jack of all trades due to what it suffers from, and suffering the minimal when combining all tasks, but players will still hate on it

smoky flax
# severe gyro At the very least, each class should have 70 i think

i do believe the same thing but kindof rethought his point and went, if solarion's low battle was now doable battle, it'll destroy the br/sol dynamic on that alone, for any person who uses the two classes for rising tides content it wouldn't make any sense to choose br for it as the damager since its impact damage is just so much better - the battle update already has alot of people on solarion despite the battle issues, and so many people upgrade the bow over the sword due to dps reasons already; we will definitely lose alot of br's following this logic

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in other words solarion's crappy battle combined with the fact it shreds everything close to it is quite literally the thing balancing it, and upping its battle causes more harm than good

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also ice sage deserves its battle count

severe gyro
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Ice sage deserves a well designed classgem and ult

smoky flax
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i feel like it's well written in cons, to the extent we're in a dynamic between gs that the delver will build sage, and the rising tides player will build gunslinger for physical immunities

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it does deserve better, but considering its rework was 6 years ago along with revenant, it is going to outdate a bit, which is kindof why ive been so pressured on ft nn

proud hawk
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Which is why it’s so glazed

smoky flax
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were you typing someth-

proud hawk
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Boomeranger makes content for all parts of the game easy

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Which doesn’t mean it’s bad or broken it just means that’s what I was responding to

smoky flax
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endgame yeah but earlygame and midgame shadow hunter better, the sword is really the one doing the all-rounding work, bow can't do allat is just the distinction

smoky flax
proud hawk
smoky flax
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cant do nun to a levi unless u got endgame stats lole

proud hawk
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Any point before 57k is midgame to me 🫧 🐠

smoky flax
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now thats just trolling

proud hawk
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57k you’ll probably be like tentacle wings

smoky flax
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in mastery is midgame but in pr not rlly

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800tmr can 58.9

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technically

proud hawk
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Once you max gems and start grinding mystic gear is lategame

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Go talk to atro who thinks 800-950 tmr is midgame

proud hawk
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Idk if there’s some kind of restriction or it’s like a challenge

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But 750 tmr with 5 5 5 is weird

smoky flax
proud hawk
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On pc 950 is like top 250

smoky flax
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lol we don't even have 100 950tmr players

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takes me back to the name color thread where every pc player downvoted it

proud hawk
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989 tmr is top 40 or something

smoky flax
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buzzalright

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so the higher mr standards make sense i think, don't agree with it though, 900 is a much better stance since it's easy to hit 850 but although it's easy for some to hit 900, it's not easy for everyone

proud hawk
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I spend money so it’s not too hard 🫧 🦐

smoky flax
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p2w

proud hawk
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I’m almost 1700 loyalty now

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Aiming for 2000 loyalty before I hit level 2000

smoky flax
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what are the pc specs

proud hawk
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3060 ti 32gigs ram i7 13700k

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I got it over 2 years ago

plucky warren
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wild

proud hawk
plucky warren
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if i didnt have to get the badge i would be on like 150 ish loyalty

feral peak
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guys guys i have 5.6k loyalty btw

proud hawk
plucky warren
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i wouldve preferred to do all mastery with pouches

feral peak
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🦐

proud hawk
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🦐

plucky warren
proud hawk
plucky warren
tough ferry
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Could u not

proud hawk
plucky warren
proud hawk
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No I said something but the shark got in the way

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Welp

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Guess it’s never being said

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🫧 🦈

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