#races for price Tiers are too high

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twin remnant
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In my opinion the races required to unlock the prize tiers are too high. I need like 10 races to be eligible for tier 6 (rank 50+ or so). Basically, I have use all of my tickets twice a day to be even eligible for minimum rewards. Currently I feel I need to play all the time and it feels especially sick when you have a good hand and want to compete for top 10.

From what I understood the concept of the minimum races was introduced for several reasons - tackle low player number lobby prize inflation with finals, tackle late joining, tackle players in general receiving prizes they are not eligible for. Probably other reasons as well.

I get that if you lower the races required too much, the instrument becomes useless against latejojning ad the races can then be easily made.
I would love to see all the races counted towards unlocking tiers and not only the active ones. Why? In my opinion it does not matter if you actively race or are being raced against. Participation in the game is had and leader boards according to hand strength can be made. I dont see why I specifically need to race. Isn't it enough to be exposed to other players for long enough that they can race me as well? Say I play 5 races and go 5-0. People race against me 10 times and afterwards I'm 12-3 and I moved up the ladder. Why should this count less than if I actually raced all those races actively?

With the current system I do feel more engaged to play than before, that is right but I also feel forced to play all the time to even reap rewards. In my opinion you overdid it and one way to tackle this would be counting "passive" races as well as it "rewards" time of exposure to opponents.

sturdy torrent
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I don’t think you will get too much sympathy for this. These “passive races” prevent someone from boosting another player, which used to be a huge issue in the game.

tired fiber
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I actually feel like races for tiers are too low.
You can play 5 times in 3 minutes, and you just need 2,5 hours to refill, that’s easily done with current amount they put on it. That said, in 10 hours you have 20 races done, and events are no less than 48 hours, and tri series with 72 hours.

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The problem here is that people are used to play less to get big, that should have ended long time ago, and mark my words, it’s not going to be this system that going to place total fairness in the game, just helps a little bit more.

hybrid marsh
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I’m not sure how you get play all the time when it’s really 15 minutes per event over 2 days. I also dont get why it’s a problem if you have a good hand. I would think you would want to play tickets with a good hand not the opposite. A lot of these arguments make so little sense. You could have played 5 tickets in the time it took to write your post.

twin remnant
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I dont know what your personal Situation is, 458... and DonCortino, but I dont play when im at work and I dont intend to get up an hour early to play an hour before I get to work. That leaves me only the evenings and time to refresh Tickets becomes an issue. If you can and want to play at any time in the day I get there is plenty of time, but im not a Student anymore. I imagine there might be more people in a similar Situation.
Kcray, I wasnt aware about that one.

hybrid marsh
# twin remnant I dont know what your personal Situation is, 458... and DonCortino, but I dont p...

It only takes 2.5 hours to refresh tickets so if you play a set sometime after you get home and the before you go to sleep that’s enough tickets in 48 and 72 hour events to meet the t1 requirement. If you don’t normally get tier 1 or t2 the ticket requirements are even less. Its likely that if you can’t manage the 15-20 minutes over the course of a 48 hour event to play tickets then you weren’t placing high enough in tiers to need that many tickets anyway. This whole notion that you somehow have to spend all day in the game to play 10 tickets a day is the the least relevant excuse a person could come up with as to why it was bad implementation. That argument doesn’t hold water and never will. Good luck in adjusting to how the game works. I think if you give it a chance you’ll find it’s not that big of a deal after all.

trim depot
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My only gripe with the ticket requirement is that I absolutely cannot play 5 tickets in one sitting, because 2-3 tickets are usually enough to get me to top 10 and if I play more I'm just purposefully losing to stronger opponents making it harder for me to actually make top 10 when I Finally reach those requirements.

So I'm basically playing 1-2 tickets every couple of hours once I'm in top 10 waiting for those that I could beat to play again and climb up to me (or those over me playing and pushing me down)

twin remnant
hybrid marsh
glass sorrel
trim depot
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You end up in the same place but the person you lost to has a net increase, so you're creating the point gap for them

glass sorrel
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Yeah you find yourself working out who is best to lose to

tired fiber
novel shuttle
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Yeah, like I think of my mobile game all day and just can't wait to open it and race it.

tired fiber
novel shuttle
trim depot
novel shuttle
tired fiber
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We only see late joiners complaining here 😂

trim depot
# novel shuttle I want to play as much as I like, my tactic depends on it I don't want to waste ...

I also have fairly average/bad hands which has caused me to late join since I hit 500rq so I'm speaking from the same tactic as yours, if everyone has to "waste races" then it evens out.

As Don said, it's only late joiners that are affected by this change and late joining is gaming the system in a way it wasn't supposed to be designed so they have implemented an effective fix to combat that. You are discussing for/against without presenting your stance on the matter which is fruitless discussion tbh

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The game has shifted from a near guaranteed top 10 position with a late join 5-0 (90+ points) to still needing the same amount of points to reach top 10 however now you have to play 3-4 times the amount of tickets, giving everyone the opportunity to fight each other and actually ensure you deserve your final position.

novel shuttle
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Hah, fighting for aluminum is not my cup of tea. Never will be. And I just can't understand that doing more races for the same rewards is somehow better for players.

Flag system is nice idea, just need to be separated from core event gaming and give an option to players that like playing more a chance to win better rewards through flag challenge.

5-0 hands in top ten are 99% monster hands that they deserved that spot. I never had one, but also never affected me personally.

trim depot
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I've advocated for scaling rewards for top bracket for a long time because I don't agree with fighting for an ALU pack either, but flags is the next best thing if they are scaling the flags for higher bracket. If they're not and sub-500 rq lobbies are getting the same flags per tier as top lobbies then that's dumb.

I'm probably one of the few people that play less than I used to before the flags because I used to farm daily prizeboards, so until I see how far I get in the season I'll have to reserve judgement on how bad this feature is for myself

novel shuttle
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I can now get top ten in dailys which never happened in years, but when I look at my aluminum pack for fighting 20 races somehow all interest is lost.

Another thing, main point everyone is addressed is late join. Now you can late join as well, spam tickets for 500 gold and you are set in first tier 🤷🏻‍♂️

trim depot
# novel shuttle I can now get top ten in dailys which never happened in years, but when I look a...

Well like you said the 5-0 hand players are deserving of a high spot and will probably get it whether they have to play 5 or 20 tickets, if they choose to do it by buying them with gold then that's their chosen playstyle and they're going to be immune from any late join counters that are implemented.

Locking the lobbies 24 hours before event end won't stop them either, as people around +-20 points won't have strong enough hands to push them down so they'll just sit at 1-0 till event ends

novel shuttle
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I agree, so back to the basics, all that matters is how good your hand is after all. Witch hunt for late joiners doesn't solve anything if there is something that needed to be solved after all.

Main problem with late joiners was empty brackets and people just win prize car with little with no effort with like 20 people lobbies. That is truly unfair.

One more thing, we all know that clubs are pure grinding with little or no fun because of repetitiveness and the amount of time you have to spent playing them. And this is closer to that, suddenly, people are liking it 🤷🏻‍♂️

trim depot
# novel shuttle I agree, so back to the basics, all that matters is how good your hand is after ...

I'm also getting top 10 in dailies when I couldn't crack top 90 before which I attribute to seeing more lower trophy players who would have otherwise joined in the last hour of an event and therefore ranked higher than me having only one win/loss. Minimum ticket count will kinda not block anyone in that 20 man lobby because they can still get the prize car if they buy enough tickets, but there will be less people trying to late join into a new lobby due to the risk of not making it meaning they will have to refresh tickets just to get anything decent. We'll see in a few days though

novel shuttle
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They solved that 20 people lobbies in overfilled brackets. As I remember, that wasn't the issue since exept maybe in Venom final.

Let's see. I'm just saying, someone like the new system and somone don't. And it's ok to be on both sides.

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And I guarantee you, after a month those people that though that this is like the renesanse for there's chances to get better tiers and prizes will found out that they are stuck at the same positions as they where before 😬

hybrid marsh
novel shuttle
hybrid marsh
novel shuttle
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It was the friendly question. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
And not sure what I'm making up when I'm saying that active playing and winning flags depends on your garage strength 🤷🏻‍♂️

hybrid marsh
novel shuttle
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It's a presumption, every presumption is made up and it's based either on facts or genuinely feeling. And every has odds of actually becoming truth. Are you trying to say that your odds are better than mine?

hybrid marsh
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I have the information you’re too lazy to get. (Your words) so yeah I’d say the more informed person has a much better chance to be right versus the uninformed

novel shuttle
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You can't garantee something like that. Active players are not necessarily a good players.

hybrid marsh
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I didn’t say all of them but as the people that play enough tickets start jumping over those that don’t want to bother then they will start getting even better rewards

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And will maybe become even more active

novel shuttle
hybrid marsh
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The tables and how many flags it takes to get to a certain pert of a tier are different things.

novel shuttle
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As I said, I can do it myself.

twin remnant
twin remnant
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i don´t know the exact number of races required for allt he tiers and different kinds of events.

  1. top10 in daily requires you to play at least 9 races, so that´s 2 rotations of tickets per day.
  2. usually another 48 hour challenge next to that the daily one. for top 10 i think it´s 12 races at least. so about 1 ticket rotation per day.
  3. when tri-series is around (72 hour challeng) it´s 15 races for top 50, so again 1 rotation of tickets per day.
  4. challenges with 5-10 tickets per day per challenge. on days when you finish one challenge round, potentially a lot more. Also, we currently sometimes see 2-3 challenges at the same time.
  5. london and TGO event took place at the same time. # of events to participate in was basically doubled.

i love that I can do a lot in TD now as compared to some months ago, but I also need to do all these things to keep up.

Challenges I mostly do with TDR now as it takes too much time to figure out the solutions myself.
Picking the right hands for events also takes time and sometimes you need to start all over because what you thought of doesn´t work out or you´re just "anti-meta" and your hand makes you lose to all the people around you and they won´t play you on the tracksets you´re superior on obviously. Oftentimes when you´re done climbing and climax you need to continue playing in order to unlock the prize tiers although every additional race will give you a 50/50 win ratio, so no benefit in playing except for unlocking prize tiers.
The cars you win from prize boards you need to sell or fuse in other cars. You probably can´t relate, but some people don´t have a maxed-out garage and cannot and don´t want to just sell it all.
all that takes time and it takes more time when you are not the most experienced player around.
In my opinion (and that´s all i´m ever referring to) there are way too many hurdles to be successful in this game for players who don´t play td 24/7.

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These 'fixes' with the minimum races only cater to the poor top 10 players who play TD 24/7 and are heartbroken when someone snatches their prize car. Yet overcrowded lobbies diluting prize boards for the weakest of the weak remain a common thing. All the casual and part-time players are hit strongly by the changes as the game forces you to invest more and more time.
I love when I can invest time, but the current system rather locks people out. of course that doesn´t bother you because as a liberal upper-class american who is so very smart you´re happy with every model that reads 'if everyone looks out for themselves, then everyone is looked out for!' because it benefits you more than others.
by the way: i told this to you on private chat already, but take this for what it´s worth. stop being so full of yourself. you are smart, i get that, but that doesn´t give you the right to react so condescending to people. it´s alright to have a different view/opinion of things, but your wording reeks of contempt. you can make your point without behaving like a ruffian.

hybrid marsh
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The only thing I’ll say to this is that it’s not for the top 10 players who get their prize car taken away at the last minute by a late joiners because that really doesn’t happen but once in a very great while. What it is for is to get more people playing more because when there are more players at the highest rq and higher trophy levels then the matchmaking can be adjusted which is what so many people complain about. My issue with people saying they don’t have the time is a simple one. Those same people are spending as much or more time arguing about it as it would take just to play the tickets. That makes their argument baseless. Yes the game takes an investment in time. It always has unless you pour whale money into it. That doesn’t make the way the game is set up wrong. It just means the game probably is not a good fit for some of the people who don’t like the new system. I think most people will realize that it’s not actually that much more time and adapt.

wintry nova
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No. They will not adapt. Because they cannot adapt. They will stop playing which is what I'm doing right now. @twin remnant already mentioned how many races you need to play for each event. For people like me who are older, have busy work-life, who are parents, who have responsibilities of too many things in life, etc. this is certainly a problem. And I start seeing such people already complaining. And I don't join late, usually at least 1 day before. And no, I will not play TDR when I go to toilet during the work. It is my precious toilet relaxing time. We are just saying what we find wrong, you don't need to say "find more time to play", yes, we know that. I'm simply asking Hutch if there can be a change from this requirement. I am saying "I am trying to play this game in a busy work-life and for 4 years, I was able to manage it by playing this much." I am not saying I was playing "as little as possible", this was never the case. I wish there was something like a steam "time counter" showing how much I played this game. Believe me, it's nothing little. But now , for players like me, (spending 100-150 per month, just fyi) the requirement for playing has been increased which I won't be able to manage, even though I pay for this game as well. Game simply doesn't want my type of people anymore.. and I can do nothing to stay if this requirement stays.. because i don't have time, I try to pay to compensate for the time, but here there is a "time" requirement which I can't even close with paying...
I want to stay in the game, really....

hybrid marsh