odd heron
Picture this: you create a challenge for the player, like in the gif, but you don't want them to respawn in the challenge area. The only way to do this is by using parts that make the ground "unsafe" and making them invisible. The issue is that it takes up a tile space and is very tedious to do, especially if you have decoration already on those tiles.
My suggestion: A sunlight/darkness type tool that lets you overlay an unsafe zone box anywhere you want, and its only shown when in editor mode!
odd heron
grating is safe
and theres cases you dont want to use moving platform cuz they make holes in the map
also the fact they can only be placed over holes and water, while also limiting the block pallete and decorations
gloomy warren
aren't moving platforms and grating unsafe
why would grating be unsafe?
regal edge
also the fact they can only be placed over holes and water, while also limiting ...
ok fair yeah
this is in a state of "there are workarounds but it'd still be nice" imo
odd heron
the workarounds are TERRIBLE
It wouldnt just be nice lol i think itd be a vital tool for makers
It could even take conditions that make the unsafe zone inactive so the ground becomes safe and respawnable, you literally cant do that with the current options cuz you cant make them "disappear"
regal edge
ok fair yeah
junior plinth
"it's only shown when in editor mode!"
My issue with this is consistency. If I were a player who falls off what looks like stable ground, I expect to end up right before where I fell. If the player is suddenly warped back a large distance for seemingly no logical reason, it's just going to cause confusion. If such a tool is going to exist, there should be at least some visual difference.
odd heron
I dont believe that necessary if a level is designed properly, most use cases for this are areas that very clearly look like a small challenge areas, such as the example gif
once you respawn the first time, youll quickly realize you gotta do it all in one go.
regal edge
yeah imo in that kind of scenario it feels- very jarring to respawn in the same spot
odd heron
But yeah, if someone very improperly uses this, itll make for a very annoying experience
its either that or use invisible parts which do the exact same thing
not only that, blocks that fall in water arnt safe... thats the worst case of "i should respawn on this tile but i dont"
odd heron
you dont agree that invisible parts do essentially the same thing without it being visually shown to the player?
regal edge
i don't agree that blocks falling in water being unsafe is weird
odd heron
its not going anywhere
regal edge
neither is a moving plaform set to not move
odd heron
only way to take it back out of the water is if a trap door is on the same tile, you close the trap door and then the blocks pops back out the water.
odd heron
neither is a moving plaform set to not move
exactly
makes no sense, its not going anywhere
regal edge
agree to disagree here ig. feels right to me
odd heron
cuz were used to it
regal edge
nah
as in literally not
i very rarely play online levels (unless requested) and don't often use blocks myself
infact, i didn't know that fact
but it just Makes Sense
it's besides the point of this feature req anyway though 👍
odd heron
anyone thats new to the game will never consider that, UNTIL they walk over a non moving platform, fall off, and then respawn somewhere else
now they know "anything that looks like that.. i dont respawn on" after more hours of playing thatll become normal.
Im only really talking about this cuz carmage brought up the visual issue for the player, but i dont believe that would be a problem
regal edge
i was talking about sunken blocks but yeah
odd heron
oh, yeah. I wish there were some way to visually indicate but.. idk
the best i could think of to create something like this witha visual indicator is giving the player one hit and then putting hella checkpoints wherever youd want them to respawn
regal depot
invisible conveyor belts do this for now but an object that's easier to use and edit and stuff would be nice
odd heron
ye, i showed that in the gif, i just dont like that you can only put that and no decorations
not to mention it negates honey and ice floor and fissured floors (this ones more so annoying cuz you have to put the conveyors around it, luckily fissured is already unsafe ground)
cursive rain
The best way I've found is that the rug can't be spawned on, specifically the one that can only be resized. Otherwise you could make an indicator like pubbles and have invisible floor switches.
past relic
new tool and a canRespawn property for modding and yeah this would be lit
odd heron
The best way I've found is that the rug can't be spawned on, specifically the on...
Rugs have a major limitation. That being, they are 2x2
left olive
^ You can use invisible static conveyors for smaller dimensions of unsafe ground
left olive
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