Variant Theme Concepts

[brazen zenith]

Making this thread for people to come up with new variations of existing themes (or to figure out if a concept would be better as its own distinct theme rather than being a recolor)

Currently we have:

• 🍃 Dewdrop Roots, our forest/tree dungeon theme holding the Forest Emerald
  • 🍂 Moonlight Brambles, the spooky twist for the halloween season with the Twilight Topaz
• 🏜️ Sandswept Ruins, an ancient desert temple holding the Desert Amber
• 🔥 Emberstone Quarry, a volcanic mine which holds the Fire Ruby
• ☁️ Gustwind Palace, a skybound fortress which holds the Gale Quartz
  • ⚡ Thundervolt Bastion, the storm-filled variation which holds the Storm Amethyst
• 💧 Deepcoral Cove, the classic water level theme holding the Ocean Sapphire
• ❄️ Coldfang Grotto, a frozen cavern which holds the Ice Diamond

Personally, I think that a variation of the Sandswept Ruins could be a good crypt/mausoleum theme (perhaps holding an Onyx as its gem?)

[sweet radish]

deep coral could do a chineese/Japanese stlyed temple like the swamp spider house in majoras mask and have a jade crystal for the gem

what is it in the shape of idk

[willow swift]

emberstone quarry variant could be like Food land

[sweet radish]

yum but i was thinking more of industrial factory or prison

thanks giving theme tho would work

[willow swift]

meanwhile I already was thinking of japanese style theme for modding

as a forest variant

[sweet radish]

ooo?

i want to mod in my own theme from my own project

[fluid thorn]

Coldfang Grotto could be rock candy and desert themed

Sandswept ruins could be a moonlit desert instead of a sunscorched one

Deep coral into beach houses (or abyssal region inspired)

[willow swift]

coral could be sewers

[sweet radish]

bottom of the well

[bronze sigil]

Beehive theme for Deepcoral

[willow swift]

hmm frostgivre could be christmas

[ripe willow]

Agreed.

[ripe willow]

Good idea!

[ripe willow]

It wouldn't be very different from the original tho.

[willow swift]

well how about cakes?

as we have cakes as heart variants

[ripe willow]

Sure. Personally, not something I'd make because I like vanilla-friendly themes, but sure!

What should Emberstone be?

[bronze sigil]

...blackened Emberstone?

[ripe willow]

Oh yeah.

I think Coldfang should be based on crystals.

See Crystal Peak from Hollow Knight;

[fluid thorn]

Hawaii

[ripe willow]

r/skamtebord.

[jagged gazelle]

OoT Water Temple anyone?

Also, isn't Coldfang Grotto already a variant of Emberstone Quarry?

[sweet radish]

3d version specifically?

[sweet radish]

No?

[jagged gazelle]

Just in general, but the 3DS Remake would be cooler

[sweet radish]

Quest master 3d moment

[jagged gazelle]

I thought I heard that somewhere

[sweet radish]

cold fang is its own theme if you look at the gems in the offical thingy its in there

dewdrop emberstone sandswept gustwind deepcoral and coldfang

are the main themes

[jagged gazelle]

Speaking of Sandswept Ruins, what if the variant was a pirate's fortress?

[sweet radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCeSVux4Oxs

yes

[jagged gazelle]

I was thinking more like...

https://youtu.be/tbvuNwQ9JkI?si=Ck6C8cMHqAlJYT6c

[sweet radish]

that one is more tech heavy

tech focused

[jagged gazelle]

True, but the overall idea was my thought. The ruins are of an old pirate fortress that was left after the sea dried up.

[sweet radish]

know what would be a cool ass theme tho

sacred realm

animated floor and walls moment

[jagged gazelle]

There is a theory (that I 100% agree with) that the Temple of Time dungeon in Twilight Princess is actually the Temple of Light in the Sacred Realm, where the Chamber of Sages resides.

So I agree.

[willow swift]

it is

thats why you have a call back to gohma

and the darknut midboss room you can notice the symbol of light on the ground

one of coolest dungeon in tp is the arbiter ground too

[drifting wedge]

When we get theme modding I intend to attempt a pirate ship theme

[sweet radish]

my precious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc6QOQzU8Fo

the desert prison

[willow swift]

also the callback of the 4 specters in oot forest temple

[sweet radish]

yes

[jagged gazelle]

The Light Medallion emblem is everywhere in that dungeon. But there is a crap load more evidence.

The Sacred Grove, where you find the Master Sword, is meant to be the ruins of the Temple of Time, but we don't see any evidence of the massive tower the dungeon is behind the ruins. Just forest.

The entrance to the dungeon requires you strike the Master Sword into its pedestal, like a key. In OoT, it is said the sword is the key into the Temple of Light. Furthermore, Navi flies through the exact window you enter the dungeon through, and you enter using a rainbow staircase much like the bridge the sages make you in OoT.

The room you battle the Darknut in mirrors the Chamber of Sages.

And while you're in the Temple of Time in the past, there's a grey scaling effect added, but it is absent in the dungeon.

[willow swift]

actually the temple of time in tp was buildt over the forest temple one

[jagged gazelle]

Ah. That checks out.

[jagged gazelle]

Although I do wonder what source you actually got this, other than how you reach it. Geography in Zelda is very inconsistent

[sweet radish]

I saw a video that links the entire game franchises map to a single map

Like it all fits in one

https://youtu.be/zz3FbQJXIvk?si=L24okzPg89RWrvv5

[jagged gazelle]

🤷🏼‍♀️ Not sure that's sufficient enough for me

[willow swift]

well the place where you see the 2 statues looks like the sacred groove in oot, the labyrinth with moblins

[sweet radish]

I never seen the statues in oot

[sweet radish]

Did you watch the video?

[willow swift]

in tp the 2 statues ones

tp takes place after oot

[jagged gazelle]

That's all well and good, but the same Temple is located on the Great Plateau

[jagged gazelle]

A fan video doesn't confirm canon. And Nintendo didn't make that

[willow swift]

great plateau?

[sweet radish]

It's a theory video it's better then nothing

It used lore and logic

[willow swift]

anyway each zelda game is a tale

timeline shouldnt exist at the first place

[jagged gazelle]

Oh . One of you

🤦🏼‍♀️

That explains it

[willow swift]

otherwise it wouldnt be called "legend" of zelda ya know

[sweet radish]

Why don't you at least watch theory videos yeah they aren't cannon but they help explain stuff

[jagged gazelle]

This has been debunked multiple times moron

[sweet radish]

And here's the rude police

[willow swift]

good luck explaining why four swords adventure comes after TP and why they changed again the timeline

[sweet radish]

Be nice

[willow swift]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-comp-cringe-shrek-shrek-cringe-compilation-snap-gif-11981937

[jagged gazelle]

The "Real Legend" theory is the single stupidest Zelda theory that is Flat Earth level

[sweet radish]

Could you be nice at least?

Your becoming very rude

[jagged gazelle]

I just don't understand how anyone can actually believe that theory

[sweet radish]

Still not a reason to be rude

I never heard of the real legend theory tho

[willow swift]

a theory remains a theory, each have an opinion

[jagged gazelle]

It states there is no timeline, and every game is the same story told by different people

[sweet radish]

It's interesting how ever I don't see it

Denise's curse is here

[jagged gazelle]

Exactly

[sweet radish]

Sole reason of the whole Ganon link zelda etc

Cycle

But still behave yourself ok?

[willow swift]

each zelda game is a different tale

like I said

[jagged gazelle]

...that exists within an actually very easy to understand timeline

[willow swift]

some are closer to sequels that said if we consider the WW, PH and ST

but by exemple four sword adventures, a game that have Ganon and Vaati is jsut after TP? kinda strange

[jagged gazelle]

Yes, but that's how game timelines work. Not all events will make sense and they're subject to change

Most recently, Nintendo decided to ditch the timeline convergence in favor of the open world games being their own timeline since that makes the most sense

[willow swift]

zelda botw and totk have their own timeline

so it doesnt even impact previous games

but that also show how this timeline is messy

they had to put a timeline cuz fans asked for it

[brazen zenith]

Well. More that they released it publicly for their 25th anniversary in 2011 - apparently they’ve had a private version of it around 2002

(‘apparently’ being a document that could be that being referred to by Miyamoto in an interview in 2003)

[willow swift]

I jsut know also zelda tp 2 was cut by miyamoto too

[brazen zenith]

damn - it would have been interesting to see how that would have played out

[willow swift]

yeah it was a direct sequel supposed to be darker than MM

[brazen zenith]

while I don't know about whether it should be the same theme that has chinese/japanese theming, a swamp-based dungeon could be a fun aesthetic

[lofty knoll]

Swamp dungeon makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe like the castor wilds in Minish Cap?

[brazen zenith]

was thinking more blue-green than yellow-green, but perhaps! (speaking of: diagonal bridges could also be interesting, though may be easier if the current way floor layers work is changed up - something I've been considering making as a request if not for the fact that while possible it may not be feasible)

[lofty knoll]

Truth be told I’d really just like some kind of “bridge tile” that floats above the second floor; I’m not personally into them being limited to just bridging gaps

[brazen zenith]

tbh my thought process is just. make each floor two floors, if that makes sense?

you can toggle between them while they're in maker mode, and if you end up going underneath the floor of the higher level it'd become transparent to see through (if the tiles aren't already)

perhaps with jump panels like four swords and minish cap had so you could jump from the lower layer to the higher one. I'd also say let the higher layer of a floor connect to the lower floor of another to make one two-floor tall room, but that's the main thing I doubt would be possible as is

[fluid thorn]

Sandswept Ruins into Spaghetti Western Wild West

[bronze sigil]

actually I love this

[brazen zenith]

hmmm, I honestly would rather that be its own theme rather than a reskin of Sandswept Ruins. A wooden/wood based building would be a great theme that being said, especially if it could be used for a wild west aesthetic yeah

[brazen zenith]

hmmm...which existing theme could be remixed into/gain a variant that is a library?

[sweet radish]

sandswept? gust wind? dewdrop?

[brazen zenith]

I'm not sure I see dewdrop but the other two make sense

possible the eventual castle theme as well could get a mystical library variation, but I'm not 100% on that one

[sweet radish]

eh wood

[lime glacier]

sandswept into an ancient library

wu shi tung type shi

https://tenor.com/view/owl-avatar-spirit-i-know-youre-there-animation-gif-18136493

[bronze sigil]

I'd have said Gustwind before we got TVB

actually would be kinda sick to have bookcase walls

I wonder what kinda crazy stuff people will come up with for custom themes. thinkin outside the box

glass walls? mirror walls? nonexistent walls?

[brazen zenith]

I know that for a crypt/mausoleum/catacomb theme I'd add a wall decoration which is an indentation holding some skeletons. maybe a functional variant which spawns in a few twitchbones or other undead enemies

[proven coral]

A variant of Sandflow where everything is Gold

[bronze sigil]

wall enemy that pops out and charges at you like that horrifying man from alttp

[jade kettle]

Freezors my beloathed

[brazen zenith]

posting here as it's on topic, do we think the upcoming cave theme is going to be entirely new or do we think its going to be a variation of Emberstone or Coldfang?

[bronze sigil]

I think it'll be new. it would feel awkward to have as a variant of the others. but I could see them doing it if it's absolutely necessary