🗒｜pronunciation

[pallid garnet]

I would say the way you are saying it is not auditable

[sage glen]

Here ima try again

[sage glen]

Yeah, exactly you did it with a flap T

I'm having a bad habit of saying it with unreleased T

Like in the word button

[pallid garnet]

but there can be other variations

time for class I'll catch you guys later

[sage glen]

Alright, have a good one

And thanks

[pallid garnet]

np

[pallid garnet]

what is this @wide grail

[coarse plover]

https://xero.gg/player/Hla

[indigo abyss]

lol no way im c1 advance ahahahah

[sage glen]

Why not?

[viral mountain]

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[tribal aspen]

How you get this score? where can i try?

[formal galleon]

Yeah I need that too

[indigo abyss]

I find it in the pinned comments, I highly recommend it to test your English listening and understanding skills. Link: https://www.efset.org/ef-set-50/

I guess listening and understanding spoken English is easy for me, BUT Im having a hard time "talking" in English and sometimes it gives me frustration lol.

[sage glen]

Then shadow

[arctic inlet]

Same haha, I just mixed up “memorise” and “recognise” when I was talking to my UK friends probably due to anxiety (I have no problem at all when distinguishing between the two in English reading and writing…)

And sometimes I even get the basic grammar wrong in spoken English while I used to score the highest in grammar quizzes almost every time 😭

[granite kayak]

i'm sure practice will help

[crisp condor]

Hy

[vagrant zinc]

Sovereignty

I have been trying to pronounce it, but somehow mess up

[vague merlin]

hi guys

[clear seal]

1 less point and im down to b2 💀

[solemn igloo]

What app is that

[arctic inlet]

Still nice

[cerulean stirrup]

hey, could you be so kind and send me the link of this web. Please and Thank you

[rapid garnet]

whats the difference in pronounciation between dyed and died in american english?

[rapid garnet]

.

[granite kayak]

dyed mean changing the color for example a shirt. I dyed my shirt green. Died means the person or animal had passed away, or went to heaven. example: My grandpa died three years ago

[rapid garnet]

i know their meaning, but i wanted to know the difference in pronounciation

[granite kayak]

oh my bad

[rapid garnet]

i pronounce both dyed but my friends pointed out that its different

[granite kayak]

no they are the same

[rapid garnet]

oh

turns out i pronounced both wrong then

[granite kayak]

lol

[clear seal]

@solemn igloo @cerulean stirrup check the pinned message

https://www.efset.org/ef-set-50/

Many people did it so good fr

[river lance]

How can I improve my speaking, I mean, to speak clear english? Like improving articulation

[native parrot]

Hey everyone, Could you guys judge my accent. Its been a while i have posted an audio down here. Thanks

[clear seal]

a clear voice

[tired hawk]

Very good enunciation. Awesome!

[tulip remnant]

Sov-ren-tee

[eternal hawk]

You are too good bruh. It sounds like a native speaker.

[broken hawk]

Very Good Voice And Accent Some How Is Not That Important Though

[strange inlet]

Yeah sounds like native

[native parrot]

True, as long as you're understandable to those who are listening, it doesn't matter at all.

[arctic inlet]

Has anyone tried this? Does it really work?

[sage glen]

Weird tip lol

[arctic inlet]

I find it weird too that’s why I’m asking lol

[sage glen]

Never tried it no

[misty kiln]

I didnt think id do as good
https://cert.efset.org/hWsAnB

[arctic inlet]

“Thirty thousand thoroughbreds thoughtfully thought through the tough terrain, thoroughly trouncing the treacherous track.”

Is this good enough?

Also sorry for half whispering it was almost 2 am as I recorded this 😭

[granite kayak]

it's very clear. love how you stress the t

[unborn jolt]

Yeah, you pronounced those words well

[sage glen]

I have a question for you since you're native, hopefully american

Do we drop the D in thousand?

It falls between two consonants

[onyx oxide]

Hi

[rare mortar]

hi

[sage glen]

You rolled an R on through

But it's clear

[vapid rivet]

Graciás

[sage glen]

Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn’t fuzzy, was he?

This is my personal favorite

[granite kayak]

No, in thousand, we don't drop the d. in some speakers you may not hear the d, but it's iimportant to stress this letter

[sage glen]

But I thought when T or D lie between two consonants, It should be dropped

Oh you're not american, my bad

I'm going for american accent

[granite kayak]

no, i'm native english speaker,

t and d are dropped unless the third consonant is an h

[sage glen]

Alright, I'll write that down. Thanks

[clear seal]

that works

the main point is to get your lips, tounge active

your jaw also

[arctic inlet]

Ooo I see

Thanks for the answer!

[pallid garnet]

I don’t understand

[fresh ember]

[clear seal]

fuzzy wazzy was a bear fuzzy wazzy had no hair fuzzy wazzy wasn't fuzzy was he

[versed raptor]

You’re what?? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[versed raptor]

Easily understood without reading along. Really good pronunciation.👏

[vapid rivet]

Teşekkür ederim! (Thank you)

[clear seal]

what was that

i think i cant record here can i

oh nvm just use phone

genuine question
are you using your mom's discord

you have such a lovely baby voice lmao

[river lance]

[sage glen]

Not tryna sound pretentious, but I think my attempt was the best and fastest

[onyx oxide]

Fastest, sure

I don't know about best... I liked teacher Grant's attempt better

[arctic inlet]

Bro fastest isn’t always the best 😭

[sage glen]

You're right, was just tryna sound native

But tongue twisters should be said fast

[pallid garnet]

if you don't mind me asking how old are you @river lance

[pallid garnet]

Wonderful job by the way, you are totally out doing the adults here with the tongue twister

[arctic inlet]

Ah yeah you have a point

[rapid garnet]

ok so i’m in the us for the year, and a friend here asked me why i can’t make a good american accent yet (he says that while talking in spanish he can make a good spanish accent)
for the record: i’ve been here for a month now

[queen valley]

Your friend is kind of dumb and shouldn't be putting you down if he's a friend.

[river lance]

ese wey lmao

ni le hagas caso

you will get better over time man

[sage glen]

You'll be fine as long as you're understandable

[clear seal]

notice the difference the sounds they make from yours i think it could work for you

overdoing mouth movements ( lips, tongue movements ) can also help a lot

easier way is just copy the way they spell the syllables

(if you wanted to have an american voice) ( it actually works with all languages)

[rapid garnet]

he is just concerned, ig a spanish accent is easier than an american one since the first one is actually consistent and doesnt have 15 vowels

[rapid garnet]

he says he can understand me 95%/99% of the times

[rapid garnet]

i watched a few videos about the R yesterday but i cannot make it

even tho i guess the same applied for “th” a few years ago

[clear seal]

you can

[sage glen]

Okay, now the question is. do you want to have that american accent?

[queen valley]

Yeah so he's just being horrible to you for no reason since he can understand you just fine.

Look even native speakers won't be understood 100% of the time.

[queen valley]

Yup that's what matters here. I still think the "friend" is being a bully.

IMHO it's not worth it to change your accent for anyone but yourself

I'm all for harsh but polite feedback when the person asks for it, but this doesn't sit well with me.
So what if you can't make a perfect R or TH? Life goes on both for you and your "friend". Communication is key. You seem to be doing just fine at that

Plus there are implications to choosing a specific accent and no one should make that choice for you.

People's opinion literally doesn't matter.
Let me talk about my friend for a minute to illustrate this.
The friend is real but not going to doxx them.
In the span of two weeks, he's had native speakers (usually not from the US and he's learning a US accent) tell him he sounds annoying. Then he's also had a couple of Americans suggest he starts doing voice work professionally... Because these Americans like his voice!

Plus everyone can change their voice up to a point including pitch and accent, so voice identity fluctuates.

[clear seal]

record yourself saying this

write right muck mug tease teas teeth teams twist

[rapid garnet]

yes i do

[rapid garnet]

he was just concerned

hes being a good friend so far

[rapid garnet]

they want me to improve and i want to improve

(i’m here as an exchange student, improving my english is kind of the topic)

[queen valley]

Then maybe they should actually teach you the sounds you struggle with

[sage glen]

Alright, used to struggle with R and TH sounds, hmm.. Fixed it through watching youtube videos and reading books

[rapid garnet]

i have been watching youtube and movies in english for years now

my r is the same though

[sage glen]

Okay, are you shadowing?

[rapid garnet]

shadowing?

[sage glen]

Brother

[queen valley]

Some natives can't make the r sound by the way. Might not be the most problematic "mistake"

[rapid garnet]

my friends struggle to understand my r bc it seems like an l

[sage glen]

Of course you won't get it the first time, shadowing is to speak with or after that youtuber or actors

[rapid garnet]

so thats what i should do?

gotcha

[sage glen]

That's how I did it

Anytime!

[rapid garnet]

thank you

[sage glen]

Strengthened my tongue muscles to make those new sounds

[queen valley]

Eh I'm not a huge proponent of shadowing in this case but he can try it. I'm pretty sure he should study the r sound specifically

[sage glen]

He tried though

He just can't get his tongue in shape

[sage glen]

More stress on the T's brother

[rapid garnet]

my theatre teacher is telling me to put more effort on the consonants too

it’s hard for me tho

[sage glen]

You'll get there bro, you just haven't practiced speaking long enough, I was way worse before shadowing

[rapid garnet]

thank you

[sage glen]

That was better and clearer

Great job

[rapid garnet]

pronounciation is my weakness

everything else is advanced (listening, vocab, fluency)

[sage glen]

I reckon you didn't have someone to speak english with before you boarded to 'merica

Am I correct?

[rapid garnet]

i mean

i had my english classes

but my teacher wouldn’t really correct me unless the pronounciation was really far off

i’m also correcting the “uh” after the words

like i used to pronounce “dog” dog-uh, because in italian every word ends in a vowel

[sage glen]

Nahh, my man, I ain't talking about classes where you read out loud for a short portion

[rapid garnet]

no i mean like during oral tests, where i would get a mark on how well i can talk about english literature

but that’s all

and my teacher wasnt native

she was italian

[sage glen]

School is never enough, take it from someone who learned nothing from school

All I did was personal effort

[rapid garnet]

honestly i started to learn the most when i branched out away from school and started watching media, and found out that my english sucked, but it improved in time

now i can basically watch a movie in english without subtitles and understand a good 80%>, 90%> with context

[sage glen]

Exactly, school can teach you the fundamental and that's about it

The rest rely on you

[rapid garnet]

i do think the way school teaches you is bad

[sage glen]

Same here

[rapid garnet]

there should be way more listening and reading tests rather than completing the gaps

[sage glen]

True, all they teach us is grammar that I don't remember anything about

I copy how others speak and speak like them

[rapid garnet]

yep same

like

the more i see a structure without understanding its meaning artificially, the more i understand the structure itself

[sage glen]

Exactly, even most americans don't know anything about their grammar

I don't even know my native lang grammar

Yet I can speak it, cause I use it on daily basis

[rapid garnet]

i know mine just because we are forced to study it anyway when we are young (italian grammar is complex)

[sage glen]

True, but you don't really need it to communicate with other italians

So yeah, that's it for me, and hope you get the results you're seeking

[rapid garnet]

im back

[rapid garnet]

thank you :)

[rapid garnet]

is it true that americans pronounce “because of the” like “kzd”

i had never realized it

[rapid garnet]

this is the text i used

what can i improve?

[shut blaze]

read the bible, it's way too simple for a beginner to understand and words are easier to pronounce (a simple print)

and decide on which accent you're gonna be picking up from your peers or people around you

for me, it's the american english

[rapid garnet]

i have to read this monologue as an assignment for my theatre class

[rapid garnet]

i’m in the us so the same goes for me

[rapid garnet]

plus i love shakespeare

[rapid garnet]

?

[solid oriole]

Someone here?

[pure karma]

Me

[pure karma]

@solid oriole @solid oriole @rapid garnet @quasi gorge @shut blaze

Dead place Ngl

Feels like fall out

If you know what this

[pure karma]

Understandable a bit

[rapid garnet]

what should i fix

[pure karma]

I don’t know,I’m English,not American.

Just try to be more clear and slower

[tulip remnant]

Im from near Manchester and I didn't even understand that 😂

[sage glen]

I'm not native yet understood what he said 😂

He said "No,no, cause the thing is why's this place were dead, looks to me no one is typing or talking here"

[tulip remnant]

That's crazy 😭😭

[sage glen]

Life's crazy

[mystic warren]

Actually, I think he said "why is this place so dead, literally no one is typing nor talking here"

[scarlet flint]

Britain English is so hard for me

[tulip remnant]

Which accent?

[scarlet flint]

General lol

[tulip remnant]

Ummm 😅

[sage glen]

I think he means all of 'em

[scarlet flint]

Yes, I usually study american accent

[bitter skiff]

uk has so many accents

some of them I dont understand at all

[sage glen]

True

Cockney is the most difficult to me

[tulip remnant]

Anything apart from the Scottish accents like Glaswegian or people from Edinburgh. Those are tough ones

[river lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGP4Sez_Us

[magic loom]

https://voca.ro/1258e87paGk1

"TO SPEAK ABOUT THE MEANING AND VALUE OF LIFE MAY seem more
necessary today (1946) than ever; the question is only whether and
how this is “possible.” In some respects it is easier today: we can now speak
freely again about so many things—things that are inherently connected
with the problem of the meaningfulness of human existence and its value,
and with human dignity. However, in other respects, it has become more
difficult to speak of meaning, value, and dignity. We must ask ourselves:
Can we still use these words so easily today? Has not the very meaning of
these words become somehow questionable? Have we not seen, in recent
years, too much negative propaganda railing against everything they mean,
or once meant?
The propaganda of these last years was a propaganda against all possible
meaning and against the questionable value of existence itself! In fact, these
years have sought to demonstrate the worthlessness of human life.
Since Kant, European thought has succeeded in making clear statements
about the true dignity of human beings: Kant himself, in the second
formulation of his categorical imperative, said that everything has its value,
but man has his dignity—a human being should never become a means to
an end. But already in the economic system of the last few decades, most
working people had been turned into mere means, degraded to become mere
tools for economic life. It was no longer work that was the means to an end,
a means for life or indeed a food for life—rather it was a man and his life,
his vital energy, his “man power,” that became this means to an end.
And then came the war—the war in which the man and his life were now
even made a means for death."

How does it sound?

[tulip remnant]

I understand the first part of what he said but the rest weren't words

[river lance]

[river lance]

Pneumothorax: nue-mo-tho-rax.

[rapid garnet]

how much time does it take, if you live in the united states, to gain an american accent and naturally drop the native one?

do i have to make some kind of exercise in order to achieve it?

[buoyant cape]

My mom came here about 20-25 years ago and has a mostly American accent but there is still a light hint of her old one

Just practice talking to other people

[rapid garnet]

for now i only have other 9 months left here

i spent 1 and i improved a lot (that’s what people say) but i feel like my accent still sucks

[buoyant cape]

I don’t really feel that accents make it hard to understand people

It depends on the intensity

[rapid garnet]

when i first arrived it really was hard for people to understand me

since mainers use the final “uh” as “er”, my italian accent made me ununderstandable

now i’m getting better

[civic delta]

As

[rugged aurora]

who are mainers?

[rugged aurora]

??

[river lance]

It's not just time, it depends on what and how you learn about the specific accent, 3 years is a great time I'd say

[river lance]

I improved my accent in 2 years, but 3 years I felt that I'd learn all I needed to sound like a native. Pronunciation

[river lance]

Learn Pronunciation and listen to native speakers, try to imitate them with what you know about Pronunciation

[forest jolt]

i'd say 2 years is enough. Try to record yourself when you speak, listen to it and maybe make a little bit of adjustments

[austere vigil]

Hi

[tulip remnant]

Middle East?

Or France maybe

[delicate zodiac]

nope

[tulip remnant]

Which continent?

The only problem is you don't really have a strong accent of anywhere specific

[delicate zodiac]

I will read this to you and you guess
"Manchester City Football Club, commonly referred to as Man City or simply City, is a professional football club based in Manchester, England. The club competes in the Premier League, the top tier of English football."

so ?
@tulip remnant

[tulip remnant]

Ooo that's tough, you pronounce some words like a Brit from the Midlands but I'm not sure like the way you said "football" sounded Southern English

You could've just learnt the English accent though

@delicate zodiac

[delicate zodiac]

so I am a mixture of British accents from the South?

[tulip remnant]

Yeah, English though because you don't have any Welsh, Scottish or Irish in there

Am I close?

[delicate zodiac]

yeah

[tulip remnant]

Hmmmm

I'm not sure

haha

[delicate zodiac]

that's the whole point to hide my real identity

[tulip remnant]

Fair

[sage glen]

Never heard anyone pronounce City like you did

Usually Americans do a flap T

British say it with a true T

I think mostly true T , since there're 40 dialects total

[river lance]

Is there some kind of channel with clear Pronounciation ?

To learn from

[river lance]

But visual are better

Yep

[static kindle]

i thought you meant discord channel in the other server

my bad

[river lance]

No worries lol

[river lance]

Okay i will

[mystic tusk]

Any advice on how I can improve with the pronounciation (i.e) "this thing"

like when a word ends with "s" end the next one starts with "th"

[sage glen]

Used to have that exact problem

After the "s" sound, you need to push your tongue against your closed teeth to make that unvoiced "th"

Cause it's hard and inconvenient to rest your tongue between the teeth for the "th" sound in that case

Also one of the reasons, I produce the "th" sound putting my tongue against the top teeth

As most Americans do. Use YouGlish to see how Americans don't really have their tongues out for the "th"

https://youglish.com/getbyid/120929672/this thing/english/us

@mystic tusk Here

[river lance]

Tips for reducing accent?

[plain thunder]

hey y'll.. trying to get that american accent, how am i doin so far?
open to feedbacks

here's the paragraph i read:
Every day brings new opportunities to learn. Sometimes changes are subtle, other times they're sudden, but each moment offers a chance to discover something new. Whether it's noticing a small detail or having a big realization, life is full of surprises. It's up to us to approach them with curiosity and an open mind.

[crystal parcel]

i feel like ur exaggerating too much

but its good

[sage glen]

Maybe he's going for the southern American accent

[plain thunder]

i don't get it, wdym exaggerating exactly?

[crystal parcel]

probably but if standard then ye hes kind aexaggerating

[crystal parcel]

ur pressuring ur throat ina kinda way

u need to let it flow

[plain thunder]

get it thanks but it would be great if ya showed me how its done with ur voice, the "let it flow thing"

[bright holly]

Is google translate accent good to follow or is it exaggerating?

[crystal parcel]

not yet wanting to do voice rec yet but anotehr time XD

[crystal parcel]

google translate is AI

its not human

so dont trust AI

[bright holly]

lol I have been learning my speaking with google translate accent for so long

[crystal parcel]

oh!..

damn

well

[regal ridge]

youglish.com

[cunning mica]

I trust chatgpt, it's pretty accurate

[crystal parcel]

yes but google translate specifically

[cunning mica]

yes, google translate is bad

[crystal parcel]

yea ik

[rain dagger]

i discovered that the "picture" pronunciation is "pic-xur" and not "pic-tiur" 👍

[plain thunder]

yea don't left me hanging, just eagerly curious how u do the let it flow thing, nd also the exaggerating part
im counting on ya bud.

[crystal parcel]

haha mb sorry 😞

[clear seal]

yea thats pic - shur

[neon hemlock]

if you are native English speaker, please DM me fast, i urgently need your help

[pastel wren]

HELP

[clear seal]

what do you need to help with

[ebon gust]

heeeey

[cunning mica]

Why be so demanding?

[tulip remnant]

I wouldn't say that was demanding. Demanding would be leaving out the "please" 😄

[onyx laurel]

Do native speakers pronounce words "and" and "an" the same way (like the letter N)? If it's so, do they drop the "an" sound when the words "and" and "an" are connected? E.g. "I need a giraffe and an elephant" is it reads as "I need a giraffe 'N elephant"?

[clear seal]

some of them will pronounce them as if they're the same
but actually "and" can be pronounced as N and "an" is ən

[wintry zodiac]

sometimes if i Need to pronounce 'and' very precise instead of saying it as 'an' i say 'an-duh'

not much weight on the duh though

[clear seal]

and an

n ən

[wintry zodiac]

ya

i say it liek dat bc its easy

and fast

[clear seal]

i think the listener could mistaken them as "an the" instead of "an-d" or "and"

"and" can be easily pronounced as "n", literally how you pronounce "n" in the alphabet

[wintry zodiac]

True

[clear seal]

"n ən" can maybe connected in fast spoken english, but most of the cases i hear them clearly different
"i need a giraffe and an elephant" can be "I need a giraffe n ən elephant"

thats what i learnt from my own experience

[clever herald]

Any native english speaker would like to have voice chat ?

[mystic tusk]

Thank you man

[sage glen]

Anytime!

[clear seal]

check dm 😄

[crystal parcel]

im always available if anyone wants some help! i am native, therefore, my dm's are always open!

[eternal walrus]

Hello any native available to chat with mexoxo

[foggy harbor]

Hello guys I’m spike inglish some helping me

Je parle français mais j’aimerais beaucoup parler l’anglais

[river lance]

Hello Friends,

I hope you’re all doing well! I wanted to share some tips on improving English pronunciation, which can be quite challenging but also very rewarding. First, it’s essential to listen carefully to native speakers through podcasts, movies, and songs, paying attention to how they pronounce words and the rhythm of their speech. Regular practice is crucial, so try to speak English every day, even if it’s just reading out loud, and consider recording yourself to identify areas for improvement. Simplifying big words by breaking them down into syllables can make them easier to pronounce and help you understand their structure. Focus on difficult sounds, like the ‘th’ sound, which might not exist in your native language, and practice these specifically to get more comfortable with them. Utilize pronunciation tools available online, such as dictionaries and apps that provide audio pronunciations, and mimic them. It’s also helpful to choose one accent, like British or American, and stick with it to maintain consistency in your pronunciation. Additionally, learning about stress and intonation in English can help convey meaning more effectively. Remember, improving pronunciation is a journey, and every small step counts. Keep practicing, and don’t be afraid to make mistakes they’re part of the learning process! Best of luck to all of us on this journey to better English pronunciation!

[summer bramble]

Hello Scottch,

Thank you for sharing these tips.

[summer bramble]

Hello Mouhamed,

I’m learning too, but I would like to translate your french sentence in english=J’apprends aussi, mais je voudrais te traduire.
I speak french, but I would so like to learn english =Je parle français mais j’aimerais beaucoup parler englais.
Rewrite your request in english please. This is my help, as I said, I'm learning too.
Thank

[eternal walrus]

Some Tongue twisters I started my day with today

If a dog chews shoes whose shoes does he choose

Selfish shellfish
She sells seashells by the seashores

She sees chees

[sage glen]

Record yourself saying 'em

[eternal walrus]

Correct me if im wrong please

[sage glen]

Wrong!

Do you know IPA?

[eternal walrus]

No I don’t know

What is that?

[sage glen]

Okay, Ima put it simply

See you add "T" at the beginning in chews and choose

But shoes is different

Only SH

Not TSH

[eternal walrus]

Could you do a record saying the sentence if you don’t mind

[sage glen]

Sure

@eternal walrus See the difference?

[eternal walrus]

Got it, thank you

[sage glen]

Anytime!

[eternal walrus]

Could you help me with that too

Here is
Gobbling gargoyals gobbled gobbling goblins

[sage glen]

Sure, gimme a sec to record

[eternal walrus]

Tyt

[simple current]

@bluedovexc#0000

[eternal walrus]

??

[short sparrow]

Hi

Friend

[tall tusk]

Is this a good idea?
https://youtu.be/CAU2zx2Ri_M?si=9lhXvMzJNhpQ1q8p

[clear seal]

yea

but there is another video under the description

check it out

he's an expertise in practical english learning

speaking and understanding

[arctic inlet]

Does it sound terrible 😭

[eternal walrus]

Why can't I hear something or your voice isn’t clear

[vapid cliff]

Sorry for the swear at the end

[eternal walrus]

https://youtu.be/xPXu5GoUHH0?si=ReGkrqhFqJcp9kyg

Here

[pure karma]

Anyone know what accent this is?

You can't paste files

[crimson cove]

@rita's own
Piter Piper pick a pack of pickle papper, if Piter Piper pick a pack of pickle papper how many pickle papper did Piter Pipper pick.

[crimson cove]

She shall sell sea shell on the sea shore.
If the dog chews shoes whose shoes does he choose.

[pure karma]

Not talking about you

[crimson cove]

Forgive me

[arctic inlet]

No problem at all cuz I always do that too after every failed attempt, this is such a mood lmao

[sage glen]

Sorry but that wasn't clear at all

Slow down

[vapid cliff]

Haha

[arctic inlet]

Does my recording sound fine to you tho?

[drifting star]

Black jack

[magic robin]

Thank you for the video it helped me

[river lance]

also sorry if i sound shy i just rarely record voice messages and didnt really know what to say

if you wanna help me i could read an article or something and you could help me point out my mistakes and how to fix them

would highly appreciate it ty :>

[pure karma]

You sound pretty American,maybe a slight accent

Your already good

If I ever meet you in real life or vc I would assuming your American or Canadian

[cunning mica]

where are you from?

[river lance]

Might be too self conscious then idk

sometimes I just get made fun of because of my accent so I’m really self aware of it

[cunning mica]

it's actually good

your accent is pretty good

[river lance]

Could def work on it with some shadowing no?

That’s what Im planning on doing

And see if I make any progress

[cunning mica]

You pronounced 'fluent' a bit differently, and then you said something about achieving a neutral accent, but I'm not sure what exactly you said

Could be Canadian, but honestly, it sounds pretty neutral, so I can't say for sure

[river lance]

What would you recommend me do to sound more understandable?

Do you have any routines I could do?

[cunning mica]

You don't need to sound more understandable, you are understandable and your accent is good

Just relax - the more natural it sounds, the better. A forced American accent is worse than speaking with your own natural accent

[river lance]

Yeah I have severe social anxiety so my speech usually worsens when I talk to strangers

Like I can be fluent asf if I talk to someone I’m close to

Working on that but yea

[upbeat garden]

?

[final tangle]

hey guys, i’m a filipino and i want to develop my english speaking

can you help me to improve my english speaking?

[warm laurel]

What if we are but a knifes breadth away from the other, the black side of the crag? The knife is the strongest, the most immortal, the most brilliant of man's creations. The knife has been a guillotine; the knife is the universal means of solving all knots; along the knife's edge is the road of paradoxes - the only road worthy of a fearless mind.
Passage from the book called " we"

[modern wadi]

Hi all

How are you

[river lance]

That's so cool bro

[tulip remnant]

Are you a rapper by any chance?

[plain thunder]

not a chance.

[tulip remnant]

Oh, I thought you were because of how fast you talk

[plain thunder]

i was feelin so energetic at that time

som ppl find it weird but idc

[plain thunder]

i'll take it as a compliment thankyou :]

[royal blaze]

bro gave the shortest motivational speech in history

(I did not understand and anything before “trying to improve their english”)

(but still fire)

[ocean ingot]

Hi, tomorrow I have a presentation for my English class. is anyone available to listen to me and give me feedback to correct my pronunciation? pls DM

[sage glen]

Same

Didn't catch what he said

[pure karma]

England

[pure karma]

Why you speaking too fast tho lol

[orchid coral]

It's a little fast indeed

You can try to slow it down

Maybe it's better that way

[pure karma]

I can understand you but your going fast

[river lance]

Can any native tell me if my accent is good ?

[river lance]

or anyone

[sage glen]

Are you German?

[river lance]

no

why

[sage glen]

Cause of the way you said "the"

[river lance]

I'm french

is my accent good ?

[sage glen]

Well, you should put more effort into it

It was understandable

[river lance]

But it's good

[sage glen]

Yes

But the accent could be better

[river lance]

I know

Can you tell me what did i mistake ?

Into it

I will be trying to correct the mistakes

[sage glen]

Let's see

[river lance]

Okay

[sage glen]

Ima record myself and let you compare

See if you can find it yourself

[river lance]

ok

[sage glen]

https://voca.ro/18F8Ea81AOqs

@river lance

[river lance]

I don't click to the links

[sage glen]

That's fine

Gotta share the audio the hard way then

@river lance Here

[reef swift]

where you from?

[sage glen]

Syria

[river lance]

It's i wanted to talk about ?

not i wanted to talk ?

[sage glen]

I heard you say "I want you to talk"

I was a bit confused

[river lance]

I said i wnated

wanted

i pronounced the ed

" i "

[sage glen]

That was unclear at all sorry

[river lance]

Np

[sage glen]

Listen back to your first audio

[river lance]

Ok

[sage glen]

Yeah you're doing it again

Wanshid

You're saying it like that

Can you hear your "SH" sound?

[river lance]

oh okay

like twenty

[sage glen]

Yes

[sage glen]

Excellent! That was a lot better

[river lance]

My accent or the word ?

[reef swift]

thats better

[river lance]

Anyways thanks you

[sage glen]

Way better yes

[sage glen]

Anytime!

[finite token]

your japanese?!

you'r*

[finite token]

are you indian?!

[finite token]

are you british?!

[river lance]

no

[finite token]

what kind of language is that?!

[finite token]

your accent seems like japanese people 😅

lemme guess again korean?!

[river lance]

no

[finite token]

tell me then

[river lance]

french

[finite token]

wow

that was so far

[river lance]

yea

[finite token]

sorry

[river lance]

np

[finite token]

I'm new here, what are you talking about right now?!

are you otaku?

[finite token]

you wrote this?! or you just were practicing your accent?

[warm laurel]

it's a passage from the book

[finite token]

wich book?!

[warm laurel]

called "we"

[finite token]

your bio is so simple, that's nice by the way

[finite token]

oh, sounds good one

[finite token]

no

[warm laurel]

yeah indeed

[finite token]

what's it about?!

[finite token]

sorry my english is not good but i mean what the basic ideas of the book

summary

or something like that

[warm laurel]

the chanell is not for a discussion i believe

[finite token]

britain?!

[finite token]

what do you mean?!

[reef swift]

brazilian

[reef swift]

I think means that here is just to protect the pronunciation

[river lance]

Does anyone have a problem with pronouncing this word "murderer". it's hard 👾

[sage glen]

Used to have that problem

Not anymore

[river lance]

is this video bs or actually helpful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfjbSKP9Rac

hes basically claiming that if you read a book/passages and over exagerate your mouth movements while doing it for at least 10 mins a day that it will help you become better articulated and make your speech sound clearer

[sage glen]

Sounds good to me, cause if you try to read at native's pace from the first try, then you'll stumble.

[river lance]

Yeah I did a little bit of research and there’s people that suggest not doing this since it can make you sound less natural/awkward

Idk tbh

I just want a routine that I can follow that will improve my articulation/fluency

I was thinking of just reading aloud as much as I can

And try to record myself

[sage glen]

That's a good point, but it depends if you wanna sound intelligible or have an accent

[sage glen]

That works too

[river lance]

I rather sound completely intelligible lol

[sage glen]

Yeah, then take it slow

[river lance]

But yea I’ll prob post a small clip of me reading something later

Rn I’m rlly tired I haven’t slept at all dk how I’m still up

[sage glen]

Good idea

[sage glen]

Alright, have some rest

[river lance]

Preciate u

[sage glen]

No worries

[frail bane]

Hello. How you improve your pronunciation?

[half light]

hellooooooooooo

[half light]

i talk to persons in the calls

[reef swift]

i’m so shy for this

[reef swift]

you should say small

[delicate pewter]

Hello~~

I'm new here (. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)

anyone what to practice speaking?

[jade helm]

Without

[jade helm]

Want*?

I would like but I can't talk on call

[sage glen]

Don't think so

Show me the video

[reef swift]

https://open.spotify.com/track/1KMkcUvF7m3SDChDOa7i5L?si=QugKFm6QSbWq2RpqSQX1lQ&context=spotify%3Aplaylist%3A37i9dQZF1DZ06evO1q1llu

[sage glen]

Yeah, that's a flap T

Haven't seen many cases where TH sound is a flap T

[jade helm]

Wow 🤩

😂 you sing well
Thank u

[jade helm]

Hum

[quartz pike]

hello

i'm brazilian too

[warm laurel]

Pronunciation channel 😭

[sage glen]

#🔝｜gaming

[dense rose]

hello

[pure karma]

Yes

[pure karma]

Maybe like don’t province little like that

[pure karma]

Sound a bit midlands where I’m from but still sense some foreign maybe just the tome

Tone

[pure karma]

Polish/German

[pure karma]

Mixed south and midlands

[warm laurel]

😭😭

[granite kayak]

dude, ya good

[warm laurel]

What do you mean 😭

[frail bane]

I recommend you read aloud stories on YouTube to improve pronunciation. Try find them as "Learn British through stories e.g for A1 level". Don't remember write your English level, then find your English partner to check your pronunciation.

[granite kayak]

Why you always have a crying emoji?

[warm laurel]

I don't know, just to emphasize a little I guess

[granite kayak]

hmm

[velvet ravine]

It’s the new laughing emoji 😭

[molten radish]

how i pronunce this: unfailingly

[hexed ledge]

my weak ears hear it as "apparently"

[clear seal]

The p doesnt have that whisper so prob not ur ears 🤷🏻‍♂️

[sage glen]

Was it really that bad?

[tidal star]

yes

[sage glen]

K

[worthy vault]

🇧🇷🫡

Btw: how can i proununce community?

I neeed that to a few days

[tidal star]

kum mew nid e

[sage glen]

@worthy vault

[worthy vault]

Thanks guys

[sage glen]

Anytime!

[tidal star]

is that your voice 😭✋

[sage glen]

My tired voice

It's 12:45 AM in here

[worthy vault]

Where are u from?

Its 6pm here

[clear seal]

o7

:o7:

[sage glen]

Morning

[strange cargo]

guys is cat pronounced "kat" or "ket"

[sage glen]

It's "kæt"

You prolly don't know what I'm talking about

Let me find a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=JshjElmO5Rw

[tidal star]

it's pronounced ''kat''

[plain helm]

You should say on the REAL english way,
A LIRÃ BÃRÂ WATÃ 🇬🇧

[plain helm]

Then, "é"?
Is æ = é?

Im curious about that, i like Latin

[proper thunder]

Is it essential to learn English phonetics?

Does it bring me a great impact?

I'm picking up a British accent now

[sage glen]

é as in...
Not sure, could you give an example?

[sage glen]

Not necessarily, It could be useful when looking for pronunciations in a dictionary

But if you're a good listener, and can imitate how natives speak verbatim

Then you don't need to learn the IPA

[proper thunder]

I see, thanks

[jade helm]

😂😂
British English?

[glass badge]

Hi

[tired basin]

Comfortable
is the T silent or the R

[vestal cloak]

The most common pronunciations are 🇬🇧 COMF-tuh-ble (/ˈkʌmf.tə.bəl/) and 🇺🇸 COMF-tuh/ter-ble (/ˈkəmf.tə.bəl/ or /ˈkəmf.təɹ.bəl/).

Rarely you might hear 🇬🇧 COM-fuh-tuh-ble (/ˈkʌm.fə.tə.bəl/) or 🇺🇸 COM-fur-tuh-ble (/ˈkəm.fəɹ.tə.bəl/) instead.

[tulip remnant]

My teacher in college pronounced it as COM-fuh-tuh-ble, she did the same for vegetable veh-guh-tuh-ble

I wonder if it is because of the way her family says it or because people in society said it like that and she picked up on it

[pure karma]

Depends on your meaning of “good” it’s understood so good sounds French.

[river lance]

Ty bro

[forest dagger]

110% French

I'm not even a english native speaker

But I think your pronunciation is good

(Sorry, I forgot to deactivate the ping)

You aspirate the consonants and I think that there's no aspiration in french

Native english speakers, my pronounciation of final /t/ and /d/ is good?

Kit, kid

[river lance]

Np about the ping

[river lance]

Ty

[dense beacon]

lurks in pronounciation chats

[hazy slate]

Why dont we all read a passage and others can correct if a word is mispronounced ?

If anyone up for that do notify me

[narrow geode]

What is the right way to pronounce "beach"? I'm very afraid to use that word because my pronunciation is horrible and it sounds like that other word 😭😭😭😭

[hazy slate]

The difference will be pronouncing
Beach as beech as in prolonging the "e" sound
While with the other word its pronouncing "i" in a quick manner and prolonging the " ch"

[grave mortar]

@oblique cape

[delicate zodiac]

comftable (ignore the or)

[mint jay]

Hey there! I'm creating a web app with ai. The idea is that the user pronounces American vowel sounds (just vowels and the American accent for now) and the app tells you the percentage of accuracy. This app is for a school project. I was wondering if native speakers of English from America could help me. I need audio files of 5 minutes for each American English vowel sound (without background noise and just the vowel sound without fillers). For those who what to help me, we can meet for 5 minutes and I can explain to you the 15 to 16 vowel sounds I need since I understand that as native speaker you may not be aware that they exist. I hope you can help me 🙂. It's a school project, by the way.

[thin bloom]

Cool! Just one question, how would you compare two recordings and get the accuracy?

[velvet ravine]

I’m assuming you’d have to compare the spectrograms

[fossil mortar]

Hey, mates! We have a theatre play for our performance task in school. Now I need to get the words or the subtitles from the 2:51 timestamps till 5:20
https://youtu.be/RIEUV8TtHkI?t=171

I can't seem to understand the words that's why I am out here huhu. I need help...

[bitter skiff]

Do you pronounce the "t" at the end of the word? Such as can't or what?

I hear some people pronounce it clearly and some people completely ignoring it

[tidal star]

The proper way is to pronounce the “t”. For me, I pronounce it. However, accents and speech words can influence how it sounds.

[pure karma]

Found it on google

Anyways I think this is what you can use for. “ British “ accent

It’s around Birmingham/Black Country

It seems the person who recorded it is dyslexic he told me

[river lance]

what are you saying-

[river lance]

Nvm I thought that was you lol

And dyslexic people can still speak properly 💀

this guy sounds autistic

[severe torrent]

Hello.

Please explain the pronunciation difference between "ear" and "year."

Thank you.

[forest dagger]

What's your native language?

[forest dagger]

There are audios in Wikipedia and you can see the IPA for help.

The diagram of vowel

I don't know how this is called

That's the general American English without margination of cot-caught

[severe torrent]

Japanese.

[forest dagger]

Ear is the "i" in Japanese plus English R

Year is the "y" in Japanese plus the "i" in words like: it, in, bit, etc. It's a fusion between "i" and "e" in Japanese

[severe torrent]

Thanks for your reply.

But I can't find the difference between /ea/ and /yea/

It's identical to me. 😢

[tame anchor]

Is this correct?
I was supposed this movie has got a jumpscare.

[pure karma]

austic+british perosn is a wild comibnation

[pure karma]

I dont, it just depends when im speaking formaily i do but when im just normal i ignore them and say caiiint

[pure karma]

Even i can#t understand what hes saying only bits of it he sounds brummie and black country closer to north england

[pure karma]

Its alrigt

[river lance]

I’m British too and I do get what he’s saying but what I mean is half of it doesn’t make sense 💀

[pure karma]

I’m British also lol

And I can’t understand what he’s saying

It don’t make sense

He sounds brummie to me what about you

[river lance]

yeah defo west mid

[pure karma]

The way he says titles i

[river lance]

why’d you send it if you don’t get what he’s saying tho lol

[pure karma]

He’s on about nothing tho

He said for me to send it

Some year 10 kid

[river lance]

ahh alr

lol

[pure karma]

And bro told me he’s Austin

Autistic so you got it right

And he’s a bit of waffles

[river lance]

omds really??!😭

[pure karma]

Allow him man he’s in special classes

[river lance]

Mb mb

[pure karma]

He’s a bit to special

💀💀

[river lance]

lmao how do yk him irl

I thought u got this off Google

[pure karma]

I got it off google on Pinterest and it had his profile

And I got to know the kid

[river lance]

nice

[pure karma]

Don’t know why he’s revealing his voice online

I would never

I’m avoids

Scouse

[river lance]

not as bad as brummie

jarring asf

[pure karma]

Yeah

And he lives in the blAck country

So if you mix them both accents

It’s just horrendous

[river lance]

🤣🤣

[pure karma]

Black Country+brummie is just sad bro

[lavish willow]

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[bitter skiff]

317651

-317651

Now ur 0

[ember hatch]

Very interesting pronunciation

[river lance]

Wyf

Wtf*

[dusk shadow]

Can someone please tell me if I sound understandable?

"The curious cat quickly leapt across the cobblestone street, chasing a colorful butterfly that fluttered in the gentle autumn breeze."

[red cliff]

this may be partly due to the audio quality, but I struggled to understand when you said "colorful" and "gentle". I had to read the sentence to figure out what you said on those two words.

Otherwise, you sound great. Your pronunciation is pretty good overall.

[dusty girder]

https://youtu.be/K3R8VZSEla4

[dusk shadow]

Oh yeah listening to it now the quality is pretty questionable lol

But that's good to hear. Thanks

[river lance]

Hi guys^^
Would anyone like to judge my pronunciation?

[sage glen]

Go for it

[red cliff]

My ears are open

[ember hatch]

We await

[river lance]

I'm shy😭

[ember hatch]

Aw

It's alright, we're not here to make fun of you

only to correct what you get wrong

I get being shy about it though, take your time

[pure karma]

It is

Do it

[pure karma]

Motivation

I gave you motivation mate

[ember hatch]

If there was any chance they would do it it's now gone

[river lance]

hahaahahaha

I will send the audio to your DM

[cobalt pulsar]

What is this channel about?

[robust thunder]

Hello

Im new linguage english

[compact sierra]

Br man?

[sage glen]

Pronunciation.. If you have any words or phrases you're struggling with, people here could help you

[cobalt pulsar]

Okay

Thanks

How can i improve my pronounciation

[zinc dawn]

just say it loudly

[slate cape]

Hello guys

[bold knot]

Hi

[edgy oar]

Hello

[ancient crane]

what the fuck

[pure epoch]

Thank you

[ancient crane]

how do I pronunce the years?, like 2024 and stuff like this

[sage glen]

Twenty twenty four

[ancient crane]

thank you :3

[river lance]

or two thousand and twenty four

[jaunty cedar]

yo!! what topic is going on here guys

[iron yacht]

Pronunciation with what words exactly?

[errant star]

Wtf

Did i hear

Rn

[sage glen]

What is it?

[tough shore]

fgs

[gloomy wigeon]

Hii...I have a doubt regarding a tongue twister which goes "How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood".. does the words 'would' and 'wood' sound exactly the same or is there some difference ?

[polar tinsel]

hi, yes the words ‘wood’ and ‘would’ sound almost exactly the same

in future, I would suggest googling any words you are unsure of and put ‘definition’ next to it in the search bar

just tap the audio icon and you can hear how it is pronounced

[gloomy wigeon]

Yea i did that and they sound exactly the same, but my communication professor said 'would' sounds like 'vuod' whereas 'wood' as 'vud'

I didn't understand what he meant so I googled it and since they sound exactly the same, I got a little confused

[red cliff]

Yeah, i don't know where your professor learned this... I'm a native speaker... I pronounce them exactly the same

and my search for pronunciations online seems to agree with me

[gloomy wigeon]

Ikr.. i am not good in English but I used to pronounce them the same and suddenly my professor confused me into believing that they sound different 😭

[red cliff]

the only exception is that there is a weak form of the pronunciation for 'would'

where you use the schwa sound for the vowel

but when stressed, they sound identical

[gloomy wigeon]

Can you please send a voice note of u speaking "How much wood would a woodchuck chuck "

[red cliff]

I think I pronounced 'woodchuck' awkwardly there, but it's fine

[gloomy wigeon]

They sound the same to me

[gloomy wigeon]

Thank u so much sir

[red cliff]

I did the unstressed 'would' here

[gloomy wigeon]

Yea it sounded a little light

[red cliff]

That's the only difference between the two

You would never use the unstressed sound when saying 'wood'

Only for 'would'

[gloomy wigeon]

Okayy sir , thank you

[pliant coral]

Help , I can't pronounce /i/ in bit

[ember hatch]

bit doesn't use /i/ though

it uses /ɪ/

[pliant coral]

Ye but I can't type it with my key board

[ember hatch]

often the KIT vowel is almost a schwa

I'm guessing you can do schwa

[pure karma]

I don’t pronounce the j mate

[pure karma]

Same here mate it’s the same

I sometimes just prefer not saying the d in wood to differentiate them

[versed saffron]

how to pronounce Hierarchy

[sage glen]

@versed saffron

You can think of the first part as higher

[civic lion]

hello dear friend

whts going on

[pure karma]

Baso

[hollow sandal]

how to pronounce haider in british accent

[tough shore]

haider?

[river lance]

????

[river lance]

2/10

[fleet siren]

3/10. Try pronouncing you "N's" more, along with your "T's"

[fluid shuttle]

How I should do it

[fluid shuttle]

That's too low how to improve 😭

[ember hatch]

you can be understood pretty easily. I would give you a 5. That 2 was entirely unreasonable

You have a noticeable accent, but it doesn't hinder communication

[river pine]

hay-der

Can you send voice notes in here I can speak it for you

[river pine]

great! I can tell you have an accent (Indian is my guess) but I can understand you perfectly. I'd say just be a bit more confident as you're a little quiet but that could be the microphone more than anything.

[tough shore]

what are you on about

[river lance]

He asked to rate his accent

[tough shore]

he said what are the flaws in the way I talk

and youve given a 2/10

can it be understood by everyone

yes it can

[river lance]

I mean yeah what's wrong in telling the truth

It's clear that he doesn't even know basic vowel sounds

He must improve and he doesn't really mind it, it was just a reality check

[river lance]

Start from vowel sounds

[ember hatch]

2/10 is too low

I could understand them easily at all parts but one

[river lance]

So? You want him to settle with that level of pronunciation?

[ember hatch]

I never said that

but 2/10 is too low

[river lance]

It was clear to you only because you were listening to it alone rn

It won't be clear if he was talking in the group chats

[ember hatch]

their pronunciation is fine. Your saying '2/10' is needlessly harsh

They have room for improvement

As do we all

But they could hold a conversation and be understood just fine

[tough shore]

It’s the fact hes trying to defend the 2/10, so whats your version of 1/10?. 2/10 should be incomprehensible for which he is not. Anyways this has been totally blown out, but in short there is room for improvement

[strange cargo]

any tips? the 1st file is when I'm trying not to roll my r's and the second's the opposite

[sage glen]

Could you write down that line?

[strange cargo]

"The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"

[sage glen]

Okay so, I didn't hear an "x" in fox and sounded like fog to me

And try to put more emphasis on the "o" vowel in dog

[strange cargo]

this is the best I can do rn 😭

[sage glen]

That was wayyy better

Slow and steady wins the race

[strange cargo]

I had to redo like 17 times because I kept forgetting to unroll the R in brown or kept pronouncing quick as quig, though I'm happy I finally managed to do it

hence the random emphasis on "quick"

[sage glen]

Practice makes perfect

You last attempt was exceptional

[strange cargo]

thanks

[sage glen]

Anytime!

[ember hatch]

You add a vowel to the end of 'dog', I think?

It should end on the g, nothing after

[strange cargo]

damn, you're right, there's a faint "yh" at the end

[tough shore]

@hidden basin

[pure karma]

@tough shore

[tough shore]

ur saying skibudty

[uncut junco]

[river pine]

this is really good

[manic elk]

Guys, any tips for accent reduction?

I have been trying to neutralise my accent for over few years now and I have had limited success. I improved a lot during the early days of practice but I can barely notice any significant change as of late, it's like I'm stuck.

[pure karma]

Right I am mate

[pure karma]

Don’t have one

[manic elk]

Ok, thanks for letting me know 🥲

Are you a native speaker ?

[pure karma]

Go watch a bunch of videos About American accents and keep on saying it yourself

[pure karma]

Yes

[manic elk]

Can I run an audio recording of mine by you tomorrow on this channel?

Just let me know sound what sounds off

[pure karma]

I can send you a video of my brother speaking

We’re not American tho

But British

[tough shore]

this guys a troll mate

he hasnt a clue

did you need some help @manic elk ?

[pure karma]

I’m not reaily a troll but if you say so mate

[tough shore]

right

[pure karma]

Still ain’t

Just saying skibdi does not prove it

Or else your just delusional all

[tough shore]

@manic elk Are you from Asia?

[pure karma]

Always the bastards from London

[manic elk]

Yes , working on reducing my accent.
so if it's ok can I run an audio recording of me reading a small para tomorrow?

[manic elk]

Yess

[tough shore]

Yes sure, send it in here and people will reply

[manic elk]

Alright, thankyou sm : )

[pure karma]

If you want more help send it privately someone who is able to teach you

And yes it’s not me I’ve got school

And gotta do my gsces

[tough shore]

Mostly listen to videos in your desired accent and shadow what they are saying by repeating after them. @manic elk

[tough shore]

explains it all

[pure karma]

Banta

Telling you someone says it like that,gets me every time

I think he was coloumbian met him on vc

[odd stirrup]

Hi guys, I'm sorry for intrupting your conversation.

I have a question for you, how to became fluent on speaking.
It's my first time at discord, and also it's the first time that I speak in english with people. How can you advice me?