📚｜english-questions

[boreal ingot]

My love for words knows no bounds, from as vile as 'acrotomophilia', to as unused as 'withersoever', to as sweet as 'sonder', they all fill me with a sense of wonder and excitement

[dense oasis]

This is very good because I know none of them

[supple holly]

My favorite two are 'pustulate' and 'postulate' because of how similar they look but how wildly different their meanings are lol

'Pertinent' and 'impertinent' too

[supple holly]

||me neither||

[boreal ingot]

I love the 'not related' meaning of 'impertinent'

What you've said is impertinent to the matter at hand

I use it often

[dense oasis]

preservatives in my native mean c#ndoms

just another wild meaning

[timber bluff]

you bring a such wonderful logophile vibe in here

[boreal ingot]

'Pustulate' is cool; I had not heard of it before. I would give my own pair of 'prostrate' and 'prostate'

[dense oasis]

goddamn where do these words come from, I had to check every single one of these you mention

[supple holly]

I thought the first one was the second until I read the second one and now I'm bewildered

[boreal ingot]

Lmfao 😭

[dense oasis]

prostrate prostate lol

[boreal ingot]

I've heard people say 'prostate yourself' and laughed my ass off

[dense oasis]

If they were polish this would make sense. In polish prostować się -> to sit straight

[timber bluff]

She asked a pertinent question during the meeting impertinently.

[dense oasis]

and also "prostak" -> a rude person with no manners. Prostate and prostrate reminded me of this

[boreal ingot]

In this case I think 'impertinently' means 'in an insolent way'. I, however, love meaning 2:

I'm not sure if it can be an adverb though, meaning two

[boreal ingot]

I'm glad :p

[supple holly]

No one would question you if you make one up anyway

That's how words are born 😎

[dense oasis]

if you made, second conditional

[supple holly]

Bastard

[dense oasis]

that's how being punched in the face is born

lmfao

[boreal ingot]

I love you now

Perosnally I'd say 'if you were to make' though

[dense oasis]

Yes baby I love you too

[dense oasis]

I hope you are a 2m tall big man

Then you're gonna be "babygirl princess"

[boreal ingot]

Rather impertinently, I would like to bring up the matter of capitalisation, if I may.
I think this 1000% works btw, but it's unlikely that it's that used. 'Pertinently' does exist though. I think if we look at old examples of 'impertinently', we would find this usage

[boreal ingot]

I'm a 171 cm trans girly 😔

[dense oasis]

That's cool as well

[supple holly]

Close enough

[dense oasis]

Love yourself, that's the most important thing

We already love you

[boreal ingot]

Self-love needed

[timber bluff]

you can be a fashion model Scella

[boreal ingot]

I think, were had this usage of 'impertinently' been more widespred, it would have developed into meaning 'by the way' or 'apropos of nothing'

[supple holly]

[boreal ingot]

oh sorry, 'had this usage been'

[supple holly]

😔

[boreal ingot]

Don't bonk me black cat

[supple holly]

Damn

[boreal ingot]

Caught my mistake before you could say anything you evil

[flat rune]

returns

“68 new messages.”

WTF HAPPENED!?

You guys fight a fucking bear!?

[boreal ingot]

😭 We chatted about words

[dense oasis]

That's the third conditional but inverted (or reverted? I think it's inverted) and this one I tend to forget anyway, and mess it up, so I wouldn't

[boreal ingot]

inverted

[timber bluff]

a tongue twister

"Bobby bonked the box with a bold bang, baffling Bonnie and Bob."

[boreal ingot]

I love using the inverted versions of the conditionals lol

[flat rune]

Man I need some context….

[dense oasis]

I can pat you calmly and praise you. Do you want this or you're only into being scolded

[flat rune]

[timber bluff]

"Bobby’s big bonk on the barn door caused a bonk from the bouncing ball."

[boreal ingot]

depends on my mood

[timber bluff]

"Peter’s perfect pat on the puppy’s patter made Patty’s patting practice particularly pleasant."

[boreal ingot]

Thas a lil hard but not too bad

[boreal ingot]

harder lol

[supple holly]

First there was some petrichor and apricity, but suddenly sonder and anemoia came. So I had to pull out my pustulate and postulate, so Scella hit me with the prostrate and prostate, and even threw in apropos for good measure. And now we conditionaling

[boreal ingot]

I use 'apropos' very casually i was confused when I learnt it is rare 😭

[dense oasis]

In my native that's extremely common

But we spell it "apropo"

[boreal ingot]

Did Polish get it from the Romance languages somehow?

[dense oasis]

Possible

[boreal ingot]

Was there some contact between Polish and French?

[dense oasis]

Extremely long one

We also had a french king

[boreal ingot]

I guess that's when you got it then

[boreal ingot]

Oh damn

idk history :p

[dense oasis]

we use randka to mean a date and that's just from french slang for randevous (a date in fromch)

like a date with someone

[boreal ingot]

also I love this summary, it would leave anyone positively confused

[boreal ingot]

is randka slang in Polish?

[dense oasis]

No

But it's from french slang

[boreal ingot]

I see I see

[dense oasis]

Polish aristocracy also used to blend into French aristocracy a lot, especially when Poland was being occupied by Russians

Marie Curie is a good example of this, she wasn't necessarily an aristocrat, but she came from a wealthy polish family just to be a poor chemistry student in Paris. And her full name is Marie Skłodowska Curie, not fromch

[flat rune]

Prostate?

[dense oasis]

My bad. Maybe I shouldn't lecture you then

Too late anyway

I corrupted your innocent mind already. Lovely

[boreal ingot]

Interesting

I will forget this in half an hour

But interesting regardless

[dense oasis]

This is why Poland is included in the periodic table

Polonium

It's named after Poland

[flat rune]

Stalinium is real

[boreal ingot]

now thas cool :p

[dense oasis]

polonium really exists, stalinium doesn't

[dense oasis]

Scella

I recalled somethin

[boreal ingot]

hmmm

[boreal ingot]

pray tell

[dense oasis]

Circumcision and circumstances

My god

[boreal ingot]

I once confused 'Circumcision' and 'Cesarean section'

[dense oasis]

it's called section? In my native that's literally "cesarean cut"

[dense oasis]

Why do you have a big golden d#ck next to your nickname

So stylish. I admire your sense of fashion

🥰

[boreal ingot]

In mine iss like 'Caesarean birth'

Means Caesarean section

But Caesarean can be used for any medical thing that has to do with Caesarean sections

Idk if iss like that in English

So you can say Caesarean surgery

[dense oasis]

You said it's Arabic right. So then this means you'd have to write it in your own script or you got a latin based one too

[boreal ingot]

Golden microphone role

[boreal ingot]

قيصري

[timber bluff]

why is it called Caesarean?

[boreal ingot]

^ Caesarean

[dense oasis]

Oh god

Trying to find some logic in this is beyond impossible

[timber bluff]

it just remind me of Julius Caesar tbh

[dense oasis]

Wait so, that's normal then, it's normal to write everything in this? I thought that it's only for Muslim religious texts

[boreal ingot]

Some people think it's related to him but it might also be related to the Latin verb for cut

[boreal ingot]

That's the Arabic script, yeah. It's used everywhere daily. There are diacritics to indicate short vowels, but those are optional. Religious texts use basically all possible diacritics while normally we just leave them unwritten

So it wouldn't be
قيصري
It would be
قَيْصَري

[dense oasis]

And then culturally if you're Arabic then can you be Arabic and not Muslim? Or is it almost always like both at the same time

[boreal ingot]

With the diacritics

[boreal ingot]

Well most Arabs are Muslims but there are Christians. I haven't heard of an atheist Arab family but I'm sure they exist outside the Arab world

Some Arabs, like me, come from a Muslim family but don't actually believe

So I'm Muslim on paper but not really Muslim

You ofc have to hide that

Sadly

So yea I just wanna leave the Arab world lol

[dense oasis]

Oh my that's sad. I hope you can do what you decided for. It feels horrible to just imagine that somebody forces you to believe in things you don't even believe in

[dense oasis]

Mhm alright I think this would be heavily brain frying in practice, if somebody tried to learn this and figure out what diactrics were skipped

[signal shell]

Yeah I'm saddened that some places will accept that you convert to Islam, but won't allow you to convert out of Islam

[dense oasis]

Horrible subscription model. If I subscribe to a channel, I can also unsubscribe once I don't like them. Quite mean

[boreal ingot]

I'm a native who reads very little, so it can be hard for me at times lol. I really appreciate the diacritics so I use them sometimes lol

[signal shell]

I like the idea of total religious liberty. Government should stay out of it.

[boreal ingot]

Yeah, it is pretty awful. And of course I cant't transition as a trans girl, so I can do nothing but wait 'till I'm in some other less stupid place Often it feels hopeless

[dense oasis]

Governments are here to protect the disabled, the poor, and the needy, enforce civil rights, provide more affordable housing, help workers rights, decrease medical costs. Not to fight w#rs or enforce religions. I agree

[signal shell]

I've had some difficulty unsubscribing from a gym membership in the past. Very icky business policy made it easy to subscribe and difficult to unsubscribe

[boreal ingot]

yea I agree. But even if it were possible, the people about you always expect you to be some sort of religious, the idea of interacting with an Arab who doesn't believe in a god is foreign to them and it would probably start a debate

So like, culturally also impossible

[signal shell]

I see. And that is also very sad.

[boreal ingot]

I didn't even subscribe, I just was born 😭

[signal shell]

Unfortunately, there are always people who will seek to obtain the powers of government in order to exploit the people. Even if some existing government has perfect principles, someone will eventually force themselves in to pursue their selfish goals, and corrupt the entire thing

[signal shell]

You forgot to read the fine print when you were born. By being born, you agreed to the terms of service. Didn't you know?

[dense oasis]

I didn't want to pry into this in details, as it could be very intimate and so on. But I hope you can do what you want to do sooner or later. You definitely will do it

[signal shell]

Don't go to the USA while Trump is in office

This is starting to resemble serious chat a bit

Let's get more questions

[boreal ingot]

Thank you 💜

[boreal ingot]

Yeah I never planned on going there. I think somewhere in Scandinavia or somewhere in the British Isles would be good :p

[boreal ingot]

Ye I'll bump one of my questions

^ One

^ Two

[signal shell]

If I'm not mistaken, Scandinavia is quite progressive. Good choice.

[boreal ingot]

Does it do the 'Message could not be loaded' thing to others as well?

[dense oasis]

They have many socialist ideas that actually work in practice

In their system at least

[signal shell]

This doesn't sound totally wrong but, in most contexts, you might say "has anyone ever tried it before?" to sound a bit more natural

Seems like it, yeah

[dense oasis]

In my case everything is displayed correctly

[boreal ingot]

Oh I see, do you ever get that 'Message could not be loaded' though?

Or is it jus my interent

[boreal ingot]

Okioki

[dense oasis]

I get this but only specifically in terms of my own messages

If it's someone else's then they display correctly

[signal shell]

It happens to me sometimes too, when a message is quite old and requires much scrolling to go back to read it.

[boreal ingot]

Yeah I don't think it's wrong either, but it felt really unnatural to me. Are you saying it's not that unnatural, only slightly? Not unnatural at all?

[boreal ingot]

Oh yeah thas when it happens to me most often

[boreal ingot]

I see

thankss

[signal shell]

Yeah, maybe just slightly

[boreal ingot]

Got it

many thankss :>

@dense oasis what do you think of my pronuncation of this Polish word :p
https://voca.ro/1gthwLuUSqMP

I did it based on an IPA transcription of the word lol

Background noise is father watching a Youtube video :p

[dense oasis]

So typical

The most typical parent ever. Loudly watching everything

[boreal ingot]

Right 😭

But yee can you listen and say what you thinkk

It was hard for me to say lol

I think I messed it up but a native's insight is welcome

[dense oasis]

Woaaah. Yeah I didn't expect somebody to pronounce it this way

Wstrzymać?

[boreal ingot]

Yesssss

wstrzymać

It looked hard so I wanted to try it

[dense oasis]

Yeah clear enough to be understood. But it feels like a native speaker with really big lisp

[boreal ingot]

At least you got what it is, but I imagine it's waaayyy off lol

[boreal ingot]

Idk how a list sounds in Polish 😭

Lmfao

I think I said my s right?

[dense oasis]

s was good

I struggle to describe what exactly feels off here. But something is not right

Oh, maybe you transition between s and trzy

It feels like it's too much blended together

[boreal ingot]

Actually, do lisps affect the 'rz'/'sz' sounds?

[dense oasis]

yes

[boreal ingot]

Ah, I guess idk how lisps work

gotta check

[dense oasis]

You almost sound like wszczynać

[dense oasis]

But it's more into wstrzymać than into wszczynać

So it's not the worst

[boreal ingot]

I can't read polish lemme look at the wiki page for polish orthography one sec 😭

[dense oasis]

Lmao

[dense oasis]

At this point I think it's like you can not really distinguish between "strzy" and "szczy", these are not the same

But your choice is difficult anyway. I don't expect non-polish people to get it right

It's close enough for me to understand it so, I have witnessed way worse attempts

[boreal ingot]

I cannot compehend non-IPA representations lmao

so sorry

[dense oasis]

And I cannot comprehend IPA ones

lmao

[boreal ingot]

let's goooooo

ngl just looking at this words makes me wanna be able to pronounce Polish, iss so cool

I love how stuff voices/devoices based on the letters around it

[dense oasis]

ah, yes, that's very common

[boreal ingot]

Hmm, are Polish speakers aware of the fact they're making a different sound when stuff voices/devoices?

I've met you and another who knew it, but both of you Ive met in English servers so you're more linguistically-inclined

not a very representative sample

[dense oasis]

No we are not. Most Polish have no idea about this. I know about this cuz I read about it previously. stuff getting voiced is called "udźwięcznienie" and stuff getting devoiced is called "ubezdźwięcznienie" in polish

[boreal ingot]

This is good to know, regardless of the behemothian words

[dense oasis]

bez - without
dźwięk - sound

now look at them again lol

kinda make sense right

[boreal ingot]

I think Polish is harder to pronounce than Finnish but Finnish loves long words more

[boreal ingot]

does the 'u-' mean anything?

at the start of both words

[dense oasis]

it indicates kind of... a change in something

like utwardzenie so "becoming tougher" from "twardy" meaning "tough"

or utwierdzenie meaning "becoming convinced" from "twierdzić" = "to claim that..."

I think I can just translate utwierdzenie as conviction

[boreal ingot]

hmmm

[dense oasis]

hmmmm alright interesting

[boreal ingot]

Which one is in use do you think?

in the ones about voicing

which sensee

[dense oasis]

first

[boreal ingot]

interestinggg

I like Polish now

[dense oasis]

I feel like 2 and 3 usecases are old

[boreal ingot]

That is good to know

[dense oasis]

5 is practically unused slready

*already

Maybe my grandma would say it

[boreal ingot]

is 4 also old?

[dense oasis]

1 feels like the most often occuring one, 2 and 3 feel slightly old but used. And I would say 3 and 4 are the same actually. 5 is weird already and just too old

[boreal ingot]

Unheard of?

[dense oasis]

Nah, 3 and 4 feel like the exact same thing to me

I'd just group them together

[boreal ingot]

oh oki

[dense oasis]

polish is very much a nightmare, most of its learners who I met gave up sooner or later

complex pronunciation and complex grammar are a very hellish combination

[boreal ingot]

Yea it looks so scary

Finnish has 'liikenneonnettomuuksiin' meaning 'into trafic accidents'

[dense oasis]

wypadkowe is "related to traffic accidents" in polish

[boreal ingot]

'hän joutuu liikenneonnettomuuksiin' = 'he/she/they[singular] gets into traffic accidents'

[dense oasis]

the longest polish word is something like konstantynopolitańczykowianeczka

from the top of my head

[boreal ingot]

😭

I think Finnish has longer but with Polish pronuncation that is crazy 😭

[dense oasis]

it ain't used tho

[dense oasis]

something long and actually used daily would be idk, maybe "wyszczerbienie" or "odczłowieczenie"

wyszczerbienie is like an indentation in steel/surface of a car/a vehicle/an item

and odczłowieczenie is dehumanization

Stupid examples. I should find something more common and longer

Maybe "odrestaurowywanie", it means renovation of a building

Yeah am bad at this, can't recall good examples

[dense oasis]

And thank you. You're so lovely. Almost like my cat when it's fed and not grumpy anymore

[boreal ingot]

I love odczłowieczenie of Black Cat cuz they deserve it

[boreal ingot]

I like the examples

and theyre all long

ish

[dense oasis]

ubezwłasnowolnienie is the longest I can recall that I actually see used pretty often

"losing one's freedom"

usually Police contexts

and true crime

[boreal ingot]

I hate how the longest actually used stuf in English is like 'reintegration' or 'inapproximability'

Liek we need longer words smh

[dense oasis]

inapproximability is like nieoszacowywalność

in polish

from szacować coś, to approximate something

[boreal ingot]

inapproximability
nieoszacowywalność

Damn iss like 4 letters longer or smth

[dense oasis]

but then English word "Approximately" as in "Approximately five people died" is just "około"

[boreal ingot]

oh my

so short

tiny 🤏

[dense oasis]

= "Około pięć osób umarło" means Approximately five people died

Approximately five inapproximabilities are approximated is like "Około pięć nieoszacowywalności jest oszacowanych"

[boreal ingot]

:o

Actually not possible to pronounce

[dense oasis]

Tbh the English one is practically impossible to pronounce for Polish natives, unless they're like me (am a god of course)

(and am also very humble)

[boreal ingot]

I'm* :33 3

The English one is not too bad ngl

[dense oasis]

(and I run a few multi-billion dollar corporations that regularly commit various tax frauds)

[dense oasis]

Thank you. I will meet you in hell

[boreal ingot]

I'm gonna bribe god to get into heaven

you're the only one going to hell bud

:3

[boreal ingot]

Hello, humans

1. Is the first 'to optically copuled together' in the second paragraph correct or should it be 'to be optically copuled together' and this is just a typo?
2. What does 'any lateral alignment' mean exactly?
3. Why do they use 'wherebetween' there, and not 'therebetween'?

[timber bluff]

“wherebetween” would theoretically mean:

"Between which (two things or places)"

[signal shell]

1. Yeah it should be either "to be optically coupled together" or "to optically couple together". I'm pretty sure they have a typo. Also, it's "coupled" not "copuled".

2. I think this would be better phrased as "lateral misalignment". To imagine what they are saying, imagine a plumbing system where multiple pipes are connected together for one stream of water to pass through all pipes. If you were to separate the pipes so that they have gaps separating them, then the water would leak therebetween.

3. I have no idea. Sometimes, people use the wrong word.

[boreal ingot]

I know what 'wherebetween' means; this doesn't seem like a correct usage of it. You didn't answer any of my questions

[timber bluff]

therebetween refers to a known or specific pair already mentioned or understood

[signal shell]

In this reading, I can tell exactly in between what things they are talking about.

They are referring to the space in between two laterally misaligned optical fibers

Or any type of alignment, I suppose

But there would be much more attenuation if they are misaligned

[boreal ingot]

1. got it, thank you :>
2. I don't really understand what 'lateral alignment' is at all, nevermind 'lateral misalignment' :p It'snot that I don't understand how it works here, in this paragraph, I just can't conceive of what that could mean. The example didn't help much cuz Im not sure how they're connected Sorry, I think this is a reading comprehention thing as compounded by my small understanding of 'lateral'
3. You think this is just another mistake? For something titled 'Official Gazette of the United States Patent and Trademark Office' this paragraph shouldn't have two mistakes 😅

[timber bluff]

here still refers to which things — more questioning or unspecified.
so, wherebetween is more proper then therebetween

[signal shell]

2. Actually, my description was incorrect. I looked it up and found this. Maybe it helps.

[signal shell]

3. It's possible. 🤷

[signal shell]

I don't see it as questioning or unspecified. It seems specific to me.

[dusky harness]

"Therebetween" is proper; a where- word sets off a clause. As written, this is a fragment.

[timber bluff]

i consult chatGPT for the explanation, here:
If we used "therebetween" instead:
“…can produce a significant attenuation of any light signal transmitted therebetween.”

✅ Still technically possible
❗But it assumes the two fibers are already clearly defined and treated as a singular, known pair — less fluid, slightly less appropriate for describing a process involving potentially variable or newly defined alignments.

"Wherebetween" = between which fibers (more dynamic, describing relationships or mechanisms in motion)

[boreal ingot]

'wherebetween' and other 'where-' words introduce clauses that specify the modified noun as the location of something relative to it or the movement of something relative to it.

Person 1: The two buildings.
Person 2: Which two buildings?
Person 1: The two buildings wherebetween the laser travels.
Person 2: What about these two buildings?
Person 1: The two buildings wherebetween the laser travels have fallen.

Here, 'wherebetween' makes the modified noun more specific, in that it's not any two buildings, it's specifically the two buildings between which the laser travels.

Likewise, 'wherein', 'wherewith', 'whereinto', and 'wherefrom/whence' all specify a noun phrase.

On the other hand, 'there-' words are about the location of something relative to something else, or the course of a movement of something to arrive at a location relative to something else. It's about what happens relative to this location, instead of how this location can make something else more specific:

Person 1: A box was there.
Person 2: And, what about this box?
Person 1: A box was there, and thereinto I pushed my cat.

[signal shell]

Very well said

We can use "wherebetween" if we rephrase it like this:

"This is due to the fact that any lateral alignment between abutting optical fibers of the cables to be optically coupled together, wherebetween the light signal is transmitted, can produce a significant attenuation "

[dusky harness]

I gave up on AI for these matters when it insisted that 'æ' is a consonant.

[boreal ingot]

So

1. 'Fiber 1' is from one cable and 'fiber 2' is from another cable, and the connecter must transmit things between the cables by aligning these fibers properly. In this case, if the fibers aren't shifted left/right enough to meet end-to-end, then that's 'lateral misalignment'?
2. Their saying 'any lateral alignment' instead of 'any lateral misalignment' is a mistake?

[boreal ingot]

lmfao

[signal shell]

1. My mistake might lead you to believe that. Look at item A in the diagram. The fibers meet but they are shifted in a way that allows some light to escape. My erroneous description is more like item B, which is called longitudinal misalignment.

2. Maybe. I'm not really familiar with how the technical terms are used in the field, but it feels wrong not to say misalignment

[boreal ingot]

Sorry, could you specify what you mean by 'believe that'?

[signal shell]

I should probably say, figure A and figure B, but the word wasn't coming to me in the moment lol

[boreal ingot]

What inconsistency is there between my understanding of the figure and the truth?

[signal shell]

"if the fibers aren't shifted left/right enough to meet end to end, them that's lateral misalignment"

[timber bluff]

which AI state that 'æ' is a consonant? lmao
my AI say it's a vowel

[signal shell]

This sounds like the image in figure B

But the document is clearly talking about figure A

[boreal ingot]

figure B looks like back/forth

not right/left

I guess back/forward

[signal shell]

Our minds are not in alignment with regards to which direction is which

[boreal ingot]

Oh wait, I'm thinking of these as 2d slices of the fibers on a table and we're looking at them from above

Oh dear this is harder to explain than I thought

I didn't take the viewpoint into account lol

[signal shell]

Exactly why they use the terms lateral and longitudinal. It avoids a misunderstanding once you learn these terms

[boreal ingot]

Yea but I don't know those terms

Well, I know of them

I don't have a technical understanding

[signal shell]

Engineers and maintenance crews are the intended audience

It's okay

[dusky harness]

One of those language trainers.

[boreal ingot]

okay wait this is a much better one

So lateral is onlt along Y? Not along Z

Like what if they're aligned on the X and Y axes but one is shifted on the Z axis

waht misalignment is that

[dusky harness]

There is also radial misalignment.

[boreal ingot]

like, to try to properly explain, extreme lateral misalignment of the kind shown in the figure above would lead to the 'pipes' being paralel with one above the other were they to be extended. The sort of misalignment I mean in its extreme form would lead to them being parallel with one next to the other, @signal shell. What would you call that? Lateral as well?

[dense oasis]

Why is your profile photo so beautiful omg

It's AI but still

[dusky harness]

Beauty is a choice. 🙂

[boreal ingot]

I'm not going to even try

[boreal ingot]

@timber bluff, I feel I was a bit too blunt in my dismissal of your answer; I'm terribly sorry. I'd like to extend my thanks for your having answered at all, though I found the answer unsatisfactory. I hope no hostility festers between us.

[timber bluff]

[dusky harness]

Mismatched heights (y): lateral or axial misalignment. Too far apart: longitudinal misalignment (x). Off-center horizontally (z): some other misalignment.

[timber bluff]

so sweet of you, dear Scella
i was also just curious about your questions
yet, since i myself ain't the expert on the discussed matter, i just share what AI explain

[boreal ingot]

some other misalignment

[dusky harness]

Yes, still unknown...

[boreal ingot]

Ah, I understand. AI sucks at language stuff, in my opinion. I came here for a human answer

[boreal ingot]

😔

[dusky harness]

Actually... it is simple. "Lateral misalignment is the failure
of the cross sections of the two fiber cores to perfectly overlap." So up and down or left and right, this is lateral.

[timber bluff]

however, when I re-read the paragraph, i still tend to agree in using wherebetween than therebetween, since the matter is unspecified or still implied there in the paragraph

[dusky harness]

Drop "between" and see if it still makes sense.

[signal shell]

Yes so much better

[signal shell]

That would also be lateral since z axis has symmetry with y axis

[signal shell]

Is that when the diameters of the fibers are different?

[boreal ingot]

Thank you, @dusky harness @signal shell

💜

I was trying to apply the frontal, sagittal, and vertical axes of human anatomy onto these pipes just to figure out what movement along Z would be 😭

[dusky harness]

It appears to be another term for lateral misalignment.

[signal shell]

Ah I can see that

[dense oasis]

Are you a doctor

[boreal ingot]

nope, but I'm very slightly familiar with those terms from looking into throat anatomy

[dense oasis]

Alright. So you're a nerd like me. Amazing

[boreal ingot]

yea I like to consider myself a bit of a nerd :p

I'm not good at it but I am one lol

[chrome basin]

hello

I can't share screen in the room

[flat rune]

?

[boreal ingot]

?

[austere moss]

I was thinking you British. What country?

[dusky harness]

Obviously Japan

[boreal ingot]

I don't know why you thought that. I would rather not specify my country.

[atomic pawn]

Devoutly mean?
there is a new world called PIOUS.

i still not get it

Devoutly means fake?

[obtuse reef]

No, means stern. Unwavering.

[boreal ingot]

'devoutly' means 'in a way that shows strong religious belief'

[boreal ingot]

'pious' can mean 'very strongly religious' or 'showing a very high moral standard and good intentions'

[boreal ingot]

It should be 'To whom I enquired' not 'Whom I enquired', right?

[timber bluff]

show me illogical English words or phrases

[boreal ingot]

Huh

[timber bluff]

examples

[boreal ingot]

A: Nobody would do that.
B: I do that.
A: No smart person would do that.

That's illogical

cuz iss a logical fallacy

Person A changed their argument

Is this what you wanted? @timber bluff

[timber bluff]

it means..his argument is not complete?

[boreal ingot]

Or do you want something more along the lines of 'Colorless green ideas sleep furiously'

Which is an example used to explain how something can be grammatical but have no symantic value

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorless_green_ideas_sleep_furiously

[timber bluff]

i thought this example is a medical condition

[boreal ingot]

wdym

[timber bluff]

how come idea has color? yet it sleeps.
i ever read that this such sentences related to some medical condition of a person's brain.

[boreal ingot]

oh no

you asked me for an illogical phrase lol

so this sentence just demonstrates that something can abide by the syntactic rules of the language without making sense

[boreal ingot]

as I said here ^

Which is an example used to explain how something can be grammatical but have no symantic value

[boreal ingot]

this is the wiki article abt the sentence

[timber bluff]

yes. something like 'word salad'

i like it somehow it's almost poetic

[boreal ingot]

No, word salad is a symptom of some mental illnesses

and it can be grammatical or ungrammatical

this sentence is just an example use to demonstrate the difference between syntax and symantics

thas it

[timber bluff]

that's what i'm saying

some word salad can also be grammatically correct

it's not always mental illness though, it can be physical illness happening in the brain or affecting the brain

[boreal ingot]

'Colorless green ideas sleep furiously' has nothing to do with psychiatry or any illness it's just a sentence a philosopher/linguist made

[timber bluff]

according to him.

[boreal ingot]

But yea, I hope your want for 'illogical English phrases' has been satisfied

[timber bluff]

well, you can feed me some more if you still have any.. love to read it as well

[boreal ingot]

I think he made it to show people that a sentence can be syntactically sound but not symantically sound, to show that these are different feilds of study that should be made distinct

[boreal ingot]

Well, this isn't so much an illogical one as it is a confusing one. This is a famous example of a garden-path sentence:

The old man the boat.

Garden-path sentences are ones that you'll initially interpret one way and think they're ungrammtical, until you re-read and realise the intended meaning

Basically, sentences that are easy to mis-parse

[timber bluff]

i never heard this. wait lemme read

[timber bluff]

so what does this sentence mean?

[boreal ingot]

'the old' can mean 'the old people'
'to man [something]' is a verb that means 'to operate [something]'

So 'The old people operate the boat'

But you're likely to mis-bracket the sentence as 'the old man' and then 'the boat'

so you end up confused as to what it's saying

until you reread

that's why it's a garden-path sentence

[timber bluff]

wow, yea i get it now
so amusing to hear this kind

[boreal ingot]

In the words of Wikipedia:

A garden-path sentence is a grammatically correct sentence that starts in such a way that a reader's most likely interpretation will be incorrect; the reader is lured into a parse that turns out to be a dead end or yields a clearly unintended meaning.

[timber bluff]

how about this:
The syringe med the patient.

[boreal ingot]

I can't find a way to read it that would make sense

As far as I know 'med' isn't a verb

[boreal ingot]

will u explain it?

[boreal ingot]

Anyways, my question ^

[flat rune]

Shortened for "Medication."

[boreal ingot]

Yes I know that lol

Look at the sentence to which I was replying

[flat rune]

https://tenor.com/view/we're-independent-thinkers-roger-roger-b1-battle-droid-star-wars-separatists-gif-63547133892915330

[boreal ingot]

yup, that's correct

what exactly is the question lol

[flat rune]

Confused with the usage

I mean, I dunno the condition where can I say this word

Or the explanation of that dictionary isn't understandable

[boreal ingot]

You exclaim 'Typical!' to someone when you are mad at or disappointed in them because they acted in a way you knew they would act

[supple holly]

What Scella said

[boreal ingot]

Thank you :3

[flat rune]

https://tenor.com/view/city-morgue-zillakami-mutt-b-mutt-b-monday-sosmula-gif-26839924

[supple holly]

Real.

[timber bluff]

i actually ask your opinion, is this sentence can be a garden-path, or else. it just mean that the patient got medication through injection.

[flat rune]

Hi
Can anyone help me?

I need help to answer some questions in english using grammar but im bad at english T^T

[timber bluff]

you're already good at English yousef

[flat rune]

But when i try to write a pharagraph my grammar is bad or try to use some words in english that i didnt know what is mean in english

[timber bluff]

just type your paragraph here then, anyone might help.
or in the proofreading channel

[flat rune]

Ok Ty ^^!

[verbal heron]

Within the sound of the restful cove, that betokened a salubrious habitation and a clement climate, stood the mountain, even whose foot was impregnable."

is it correct?

[supple holly]

It looks correct

[acoustic geyser]

Hello

Is ChatGPT good at distinguish between those verbs, adjs, adverbs that has the same meaning?

[flat rune]

It should

Ask it for all a word could be\

[flat rune]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-gif-26279222

[timber bluff]

depends on your detail prompts

[floral sierra]

Someone explain me pls

Why is this sentence counted like correct? “My teacher started the lesson before I had arrived.”Shouldn’t it be as “my teacher had started the lessons before I arrived?” Can u explain me by the way?

[floral sierra]

There is a mistake in ur photo

We can’t use the clause the despite with the preposition “of”. It should be without “of” or “in spite of”

[boreal ingot]

Why are you telling me this lol

tell the article writers

[floral sierra]

I’m just pointing on not being naive about their information, since they can’t even write correctly

[boreal ingot]

People with bad English can still know stuff and teach

But I see your point

[floral sierra]

Okay, can u gimme a clarification or a response on my question if u don’t mind. Which are above. I wanna find out if it is correct,nevertheless it should be from a viewpoint of an another person.

I’ve got confused about it

How it is possible

[boreal ingot]

idk the answer

[floral sierra]

@signal shell,sir,help me find out it,please

[boreal ingot]

^

[floral sierra]

I guess it would be who I enquired. However I’ve heard it in an informal way. From my perspective it is to whom I enquired

[boreal ingot]

my question was about the 'to'

not the 'who' vs. 'whom' thing

[floral sierra]

I’ve just answered

[boreal ingot]

Do you enquire someone or enquire to someone?

[floral sierra]

I’ve just answered that to whom I required it doesn’t sound natural

[supple holly]

ehhh, doesn't the "to" just mean it's addressed to the following person?

as in, it's not related to "enquired"

[floral sierra]

I guess it should go with “about”

[boreal ingot]

Yeah I'm basically trying to say 'I asked them about it'

would that not be 'I enquired about it to them'?

[supple holly]

I think only "I enquired them about it" works

or maybe "I enquired about it from them?"

[boreal ingot]

But I don't think you 'enquire someone'

[supple holly]

since you're getting the information from them

[boreal ingot]

Afaik enquire isn't transitive

but idk

[boreal ingot]

that sounds weird

to me at least lol

I guess I just need to look at examples of enquire and hope to find smth

prolly should look at older examples

[supple holly]

found this. 2nd line

[boreal ingot]

this?

[supple holly]

it's in the "Synonyms" collapsible

[boreal ingot]

could you screenshot what you mean

[supple holly]

also this

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/enquire-of#enquireof2_e

the orange bar thingy

oh well it's red on your screen

[boreal ingot]

hmm, some of these examples use 'enquire [something] of [someone]'

This is 1690s

the screenshot I mean

But I want to know how to introduce into the sentence the person at whom the enquiery is directed, not what the enquiery is about

Like

I enquired as to the state of the building of/to/from/at its owner

[boreal ingot]

which thing do I look at, these don't seem relevant

[boreal ingot]

oh wait this is! So that's what the 1690s examples were using

very interesting

so I can use 'to' and 'of'

but there is probably a difference

[supple holly]

lol I mentioned the second line earlier in the Patterns section

"to ask/enquire/demand something of somebody"

[boreal ingot]

ye, but I wasn't sure which preposition to use

thank you both, @supple holly and @median fractal

[boreal ingot]

sorry Im dum

[supple holly]

it's ok. Me too. I still don't get it

[boreal ingot]

what don't you get 😭

[supple holly]

nah it's okay I'm just sleepy lol. Didn't know "enquire" got so many different use cases

[boreal ingot]

These feel better I think

But yea I'll stick with 'to'

I see, many thankss

whas this abt

I spell it 'enquire' I think thas the British way

[flat rune]

hey!
i've seen sometimes "i be" instead of "i am" in music lyrics
is it normal or it is just for music and very casual conversations

[boreal ingot]

oh I see

I'm used to using the en- version lol

at lest between 1470 and 1690 (inclusive) 'enquire' was twice as common as 'inquire' it seems (29221 to 11707)

ye I'll stick with that

I'm sorry

okay here:

direct your enquiry to(wards)
or
direct you enquiry at

oh thas interesting

I remember the other day I was looking for old examples of 'fall for' and most of them were 'fall for want of [x]' with 'fall' meaning 'die' or 'lose' etc., instead of 'fall for' meaning 'be tricked'

ohh interesting

actually the wiktionary page mentioned that

I guess I'll stick with 'enquiry' cuz thas the origin and thas what im used to, but when formality is very much needed I'll use 'inquiry'

I find this distinction here fascinating regardless

Thanks for sharing it :>

I didn't >:(

:O

I've made my mind up nuh uh

I know fuck all about styleguides :p I just use whatever I hear about as a rule and get used to

👀

DM it girl

[boreal ingot]

okay okay so 'inquiry' for 'investigation' and 'enquiry' for 'question'. And the same should apply for the verbs

But I never use the investigation sense so it's always 'enquiry' :D

idk

I'm just going to go with the etymology excuse okay, I love older English so I'll follow what older English did when it's convenient

'enquire' it is

I don't read enough scientific literature to know 😅

I never claimed to be smart

thas interesting

I'm a 1600s maiden

it would be so much worse probably

… a time to meet with you tomorrow at the [???].

What does he say there?

@flat rune you've been looking for English questions for an hour lol ^

'p' sounded like 'f'

weird

Oh I seee

thank you riidefii

[boreal ingot]

@signal shell could explain what semantic difference exists between 'might could', 'could', and 'might'? I know modal stacking can occur up to three modals in southern US dialects, and I distinctly remember your using the feature once. It's always fascinated me, and I've wanted to know what the most common one ('might could') actually means. Sorry to botherr youu

[signal shell]

Okay I tried scrolling around to see what I'm being asked, but I can't find it. Can you help me out?

[signal shell]

It's so hard for me to explain the usage of modals, since they are so versatile. I think when I say "might could", this could be rendered as either "might be able to" or "might be possible to", depending on context.

[floral sierra]

Why should we use the past perfect in 2nd part? For example: “My teacher started the lessons before I had arrived”. Shouldn’t it be that My teacher had started the lessons before i arrived. It has been my question

[bitter hill]

The second one is correct

[boreal ingot]

Thank youuu

[boreal ingot]

Would

I might could use 'might could' in the future if I listen to more southern American English speakers.
be correct?

[floral sierra]

Nevertheless, it is written in my Oxford book

[timber bluff]

hi
that says 'port of call'. a temporary stay
port of call is a stop along a ship’s journey

[timber bluff]

grammatically 'might could' is never happen right sir? coz it's incorrect. but maybe in casual conversation? what does the speaker imply using that?

[boreal ingot]

Mr Ross just explained what is implied by it

'might could' is used in Southern US English informally

It's non-standard

They may stack modals up yo three (three afaik)

'might could' is the most common

[boreal ingot]

Ahh got it

Many thanks that makes more sense

[timber bluff]

examples of sentences perhaps?

[boreal ingot]

Give me a second I can find you some online

[boreal ingot]

It's hard to find proper examples, cuz 'might could' is the most commonly spoken-of one, since it's the most common one, so all you find are people talking about double modals and using it as an example instead of proper instances of usage (however I might could find examples of other combinations more easily):

[boreal ingot]

Mr Ross, while looking for examples of 'might could have' I found these two (first two imgs). I was wondering if this is exactly like 'might have been able to'? (And if 'might could' is exactly like 'might be able to)

I also found the third image, which is an example of 'might could', but instead of meaning 'might be able to' I think it's an example of the 'might be possible' meaning of which you spoke? This seems exactly like 'might', but really I think it can be replaced with 'could' as well. I can't really tell what the difference between standalone 'might' and 'could' is in that position, maybe how high a chance there is that they have one in stock? And I reallyy can't tell how 'might could' is different. I found the 'might be able to' sense much easier to grasp

Also, I looked for 'might have could' first and couldn't find any examples, do you think it's used at all? Is there any difference in meaning between it and 'I might could have'?

[timber bluff]

seems like we can omit might then?

it's just a style right?

[thorn flax]

Hii, i get confused of using "impose" and "levy" on taxes , what are differences

[boreal ingot]

What

there is a difference in meaning

Why are you asking me when I'm the one asking stuff

[boreal ingot]

I think they can be synonymous in the meaning of requiring a tax/fine be paid, but 'levy' can also mean to demand the tax youve already imposed be paid. So a tax or fine is imposed upon you and, when you don't pay, seizure of your property or other assets would be them levying (upon?) the tax. 'Impose' is also more general, in that you can impose things that aren't taxes or fines, like decisions, sanctions, ideologies, etc. Further, you can 'levy [someone]' but not 'impose [someone]'. To levy someone is to impose a tax or fine upon them

Any corrections are welcome since I'm not too familiar with the words

[thorn flax]

Ah man, thanks for helping :>

[boreal ingot]

Np girl, alwyas happy to help :>

[dense oasis]

holy sh

[boreal ingot]

what lol

[dense oasis]

might could

lmao

[boreal ingot]

yuh

[dense oasis]

Amazing

[boreal ingot]

Mhm

Sothern US

[dense oasis]

🇺🇲🦅

[floral sierra]

So how do ya think?

I guess it’s incorrect, however it’s possible I’ve googled it. I can’t catch for what it is made using the past perfect in the second part

What do u @signal shell think about it?

[signal shell]

It's very curious. I've spent too much time trying to figure this out. Here's the best description I could find to try to explain it.
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/88982/before-after-past-or-past-perfect#89008

[floral sierra]

Thanks a lot, sir. It’s impeccable! I must look at this

[floral sierra]

I’ve just revised and seen it. My bad, however it’s not about my question. It means why we should use past perfect with the “before”. However I have known it, my major question has been why we should use the past perfect in the second part if this doesn’t make any sense I’m not able to get their order what goes first before or past perfect

[signal shell]

There's this bit that seems related to what you are asking about

[floral sierra]

In short, how I got it is used like an incomplete sentence? It means two actions had happened before an another action in the past? Doesn’t it?

Hence, it is like the last action?

[signal shell]

Yeah, I think that "might could have" can be thought of as "might have been able to".

I can see how you would interpret "might be possible" as exactly like "might". But there are some special contexts where this can have a different meaning. Imagine there is some impossible task, like breaking some very strong object. We don't know how much force is required to break it, but no forces available today can break it. So we imagine developing some technology that would allow us to generate forces 10 times stronger than ever produced. We still don't know if it will be enough, but maybe it will. In this case, we might say "this new technology might make it possible to break this thing, or maybe it won't". I imagine we could also say "with this new technology, we might could finally break this thing"

[signal shell]

For this construction to seem necessary to distinguish from just saying "we might break this thing", you would also have to imagine that there's not necessarily any motivation to actually break the thing. We are only noting that it's possible, not that anyone would actually try it.

[boreal ingot]

Ahhh that makess sensee

Mr Ross tahnk youuu

[floral sierra]

What have u meant? Have u meant that: the modals of abilities? In the past or deduction?

I’m really curious to respond on ur question

If you have been referring to possible situations in the past we can’t use the modal verbs might/may/could collectively, since they mean the same idea

If you have meant another one like “possible ability” in the past however it has a result now,cause it is “perfect infinitive”. Hence we should use be able to. Let’s take this example: I might have been able to find the keys if I had been there

Did it make sense?

In addition, if u wanna say that smth possible in the past might have happened, you ought to use the “could have” and stuff past modals

Like this

[boreal ingot]

I think you misunderstood my question (ngl idk what you're saying with your answer), but Mr Ross has already answered it

[floral sierra]

What did u mean? I wanna find out even though Mr. Ross answered. I wanna get it myself

I’m really interested in this

[boreal ingot]

My question was a about a construction used in Southern American English wherein you use more than one modal verb (verbs that express possibility, permission, ability, etc.) in a row. They use 'might could', 'might could have', 'might should', 'might can', 'might would', 'might oughta', 'should oughta' . The most common ones are those that start with 'might', but others exist. There are rare ones that use three:

https://ygdp.yale.edu/phenomena/multiple-modals

They aren't standard, but they're considered correct within those dialects that use them

You wouldn't use this on an exam though

[floral sierra]

Ah, I see what u mean. Nevertheless it can’t be used normally

[boreal ingot]

I'm really confused by you

[dense oasis]

Depends what you mean by "normally" lol. People who speak these dialects consider this as normal

Spoken language is flexible and dynamic, sometimes people speak in incorrect ways just cuz they're lazy

[celest olive]

Guys I have a question over a tricky sentence from a book with some annoyingly structured sentences

"""
To understand what constitutes a process, we thus have to understand its machine state, what a program can read or update when it is running. At any given time, what parts of the machine are important to execution of this program?

One obvious component of machine state that comprises a process is its memory.
"""

I spent hours trying to understand this sentence due to its vague structure. This book is using sentences with verbs inversed in it in some of their sentences, for example:

"Beyond the minicomputer came a new type of machine. Cheaper, faster, and for the masses: The personal computer, or PC as we call it today."

Second example:

"Indeed, it is hard to imagine the success of the new companies had such a system not existed."

I question if the verb after 'that' is inversed too:

"One obvious component of machine state that comprises a process (here might be the original position) is its memory."

I could have passed getting that sentence but I'm obsessed with getting the implication due to language improvement matter

[signal shell]

You can rephrase this sentence as "A machine state's memory is one obvious component that comprises a process."

[atomic pawn]

Clone and copy are same?

I copied his work.
I cloned his work
which one is crt?

Often i confused in this point

[signal shell]

Copy is probably better here

[atomic pawn]

are they same?

[signal shell]

Copy is usually used when creating an imitation, as viewed by someone looking at it. This involves recreating exterior characteristics that are easily seen by observers. This word is used more when creating more of the same document.

Clone is used when creating something that has the same interior characteristic, usually a genetic one. This often results in an imitation that also looks the same as the original. This word is used more when creating lifeforms from an individual's genetic material.

Does this help?

[atomic pawn]

got it about clone but not copy.

[signal shell]

Cloning is also used when recreating the digital memory and function from an electronic device onto another device.

[atomic pawn]

clone means end to end same inshort

but did not get about cpy

[signal shell]

Use "copy" when duplicating a written document or other recording, such as video or audio

You could also copy the way a person speaks or behaves

If I say one thing, and then you say the same exact thing, I would say that you are copying me.

[atomic pawn]

Alright got it
copy means just taking duplicate of something not recreating from scratch

Clone means recreating end to end same from scratch of something.

😅

[signal shell]

Actually, cloning usually requires starting from the object's inner material

You take the genetic material from an individual and grow it into a new individual

A copy can be made from anything, as long as you can make it appear more or less the same

If you write something down, and then I decide to read it and write it again on my own paper, this is copying

It doesn't always require that it looks exactly the same to be considered a copy. If it carries the same information, then it's a copy.

To clone a phone, you need to start by reading all the information stored on the phone, and then recreate the same data on a new device.

I hope this is helping

[celest olive]

I am not merely trying to understand what it means, but trying to get how the syntax functions. But thank you anyways

The question has an educational purpose

[signal shell]

There are different senses for the word comprise. I think what they are saying is that multiple components are required to coordinate the functions required to carry out a process. One of these components is memory. Normally you might say something like: A process is comprised of a processor, memory, and various other parts. Another way to say it is: a processor, memory, and various other parts comprise a process. But here they only want to mention one of these, the memory. So they say: memory is one component (of many) which comprises a process.

Does that help?

I don't think there's any inversion that you might be imagining

It's not "a process comprises its memory"

Actually, now that I think about it, the above sentence would also work under a different sense of "comprise", but I don't think that's what this author was trying to do

The word "comprise" is just messy in general

[celest olive]

Thank you for your general & wide explanation Mr Ross

Thank you too though I haven't read yours yet

[prime vessel]

Hi,
How do I add rhythm and intonation to sound more native ?
We don’t really have rhythm in French for example so I’m a bit lost

[signal shell]

I use it

On occasion

I might could give you an example, if you ask really nicely.

That might should be the only one I ever use though.

I was caught using it organically, by none other than Scella, who had to point it out to me that I just used it.

It was in VC though

I might would type it, but I'll probably correct it before sending

I'm certain that I rarely do this

But I'm known to do it on occasion

[inner lodge]

Hi, I've seen some people use "effect" instead of "affect" (as a verb), eg: "the passthrough tariffs will effect much of the components so even stuff not assembled in china will be hit."

Is this ok? can you generally interchange effect with affect no problem or is there some nuance to using one or the other?

[boreal ingot]

I could find a few examples on Reddit and Mr Ross did use it once in VC. Iss pretty rare, ye, but it's like used somewhat

Nope, I've heard of it but never properly heard it

Meant to reply to this btw ^

I suppose it can be indicative of a low level of education, but ppl probably use it when being very casual and avoid it otherwise. I think it's comparable to the 'needs fixed' construction of the American Midlands and the South, you'd never see it in a paper or book (provided that the subject matter isn't the construction), but you'll happen upon it on Discord and elsewhere, sometimes from educated ppl. Imo it's not so much about education (though it can be) as it is about the register of the conversation

Idk if they can be compared to slang or not. But I think the two, slang and these constructions, are similar in that you'd find them in low-register conversation but never elsewhere

Wow, maybe it's much rarer than I thought. Though, you also have to consider where the data is. If it's from this server, I feel I seldom see Southerners here

[median pumice]

Hi there.

[boreal ingot]

No, this is not okay. It's a mistake. It's a common one, cuz they sound the same, though. Informally, it doesn't matter, but, formally, avoid it.

However, as Riidefi has said, 'effect' can be a verb. It means 'cause, make happen, bring about'.

The new policy effected many changes in the system; which changes have been the subject of much discussion online.

On the other hand, you have 'affect' as a noun in psychology, which means emotional state and the degree to which one displays emotion

[inner lodge]

very interesting 🫣 I've seen it more than once, and from people I'd consider extremely well educated / high position engineers and such! thank you very much @boreal ingot @median fractal

[boreal ingot]

They wouldn't do it in an actual formal context, but they may do it when chatting online. It's probably more a mistake they make without realising it than an actual mistake out of a lack of knowledge

[boreal ingot]

No problem, glad to help

[cloud badge]

Id say those combos are EXTREMELY rare and even when they're used in the dialects they come from, the people spoken to would think they misspoke or should use a different phrase. I very much think this phrasing should never be recommended to anyone. It is confusing and unnecessary. It's like saying 'that that' youre better off just using one in well, probably every case.

[boreal ingot]

Uh I wasn't recommending it to anyone. I was just trying to learn more about it 😅 Thanks though

[cloud badge]

Yeah I didn't think you were recommending it

Just emphasizing how odd and unused it is

[boreal ingot]

By the way, are you refering to triple combos with 'EXTREMELY rare' and 'the people spoken to would think they misspoke'? Or even double ones?

I've been able to find a few examples of double modals

[cloud badge]

Both. They are bizarre and nonsensical to well probably nearly everyone who does not say them themselves

And even some who do say them

Even if you can make sense out of them, almost everyone hearing them will be like hmmm, uh what did that actually mean? Its very odd

[boreal ingot]

It's a regionalism, so yeah, it's not grammatical or used outside the regions that use it, probably outside certain communities within those regions. I would imagine double ones aren't that shocking, but triple ones are confusing and odd even to those who come from these areas

Though I have no backing for that claim

[cloud badge]

It's not even hardly used by the people in the regions that use them, id argue that they are always quite shocking except only to those that use them. Nearly everyone who hears them will get confused.

Its probably very rare for the people that use them to talk with another person that uses them even in those regions so yeah, very odd.

That's just how rare those are

[boreal ingot]

Idk why you assume they're an oddity within the region. I agree everyone who comes elsewhence will find them very unusual, I just don't think that can be said about people from the places that use them without actually studying whether the construction is dying out or what. Cuz some constructions are rare, but when you hear them you don't go 'oh what the hell that makes no sense', you're like 'lol that's a rare one'. Maybe older speakers are more used to them and younger speakers from those regions would find them odd, maybe they're still widespread in those areas, but because of the stigma surrounding them we end up not hearing ppl using them much.

I just don't think any claim can be made about how frequently they're used there without a meaningful source

[boreal ingot]

it would be rare if they have moved to place that doesn't use them, yea

[cloud badge]

I can pretty much 99% guarantee that even in these regions, using these phrases will get you a confused look. Not as confused as elsewhere but these combos are extremely rare

[boreal ingot]

Well, it's a fair guess, but without much backing

[cloud badge]

It's not even like "that's a rare one" it's like "oh, grandma is uneducated but i think i get what she means based on context clues"

[flat rune]

Stop stealing questions

@boreal ingot

[boreal ingot]

Lmao sorryyy

[flat rune]

It’s like a quarter of my entertainment

[boreal ingot]

Tell me what 'thine all' means here:

That's a question

[flat rune]

Idk

[boreal ingot]

see you don't actually want to answer questions

[flat rune]

Ask a 1600s bum

[boreal ingot]

that is from the 1800s you bum

[flat rune]

Shut up you bum! /j

[boreal ingot]

[plain panther]

Thanks

[timber bluff]

thine means yours, Scella

[boreal ingot]

'thine' means 'your' or 'yours'

But I was asking what it meant in that sentence

[timber bluff]

yours

[boreal ingot]

What is the meaning of the sentence

[boreal ingot]

It's both

thy = your (before consonants)
thine = your (before vowels)
thine = yours

But let's not argue over what 'thine' is. I'd just like to understand the sentence

[supple holly]

I feel like it's something along the lines of "everything you are, you have, came from God and nowhere else. God is the source of all things"

I'm not religious so I'm not used to reading this kinda text

[boreal ingot]

ahh, so 'your all' is like 'your entirety'?

[supple holly]

Yeah yeah

[boreal ingot]

Got it! That makes sense

Also, don't you love that use of 'elsewhence' :3

[timber bluff]

the phrase as a whole can probably be interpreted as:

“Everything you have comes from God Himself.”
or
“From His own being comes all that is yours.”

[boreal ingot]

It's soo exciting

[supple holly]

I was faster 😎

[supple holly]

But yes. Very interesting word. I totally knew about it before

[boreal ingot]

I sense sarcasam

[supple holly]

I mean I could guess it, because I've seen "whence" before. But still had to goog 😔

[boreal ingot]

:(

Well now you know

I expect better next time

[timber bluff]

i like the last line

scary too though

[timber bluff]

btw, so, what is the big picture of the text Scella?

[flat rune]

Frick you...

[timber bluff]

@signal shell are you a coffee person?
may I know, does coffee increase motivation to study or work?

[boreal ingot]

No matter how much coffee I consume my motivation levels remain flatlined 😔

[timber bluff]

hiyaaahahaha
that's why I ask Mr Ross , maybe he is better than us

[signal shell]

I don't drink much coffee tbh

[timber bluff]

me too
what can motivate you Mr Ross? i need that nows

[signal shell]

Money

[supple holly]

Foreboding sense of failure

[timber bluff]

cha ching!

[timber bluff]

have u found your Rachel, Ross ? I like your money

[boreal ingot]

not even that

[timber bluff]

do you like movies Scella?
i know u enjoy reading

[boreal ingot]

Nope

movies suck

[timber bluff]

whyy 😂
you love literature

[boreal ingot]

I don't have the attention span for them and they're pretty boring

[timber bluff]

but but but...they're..moving.. moving pictures

[boreal ingot]

uh

yeah

why are you telling me what a movie is

[timber bluff]

it's moving..it gotta be interesting somehow..more than letters on paper work

[boreal ingot]

leave me alone

[timber bluff]

i need motivation to read

i got no imagination

[signal shell]

I locked her up in my basement

[timber bluff]

you gave me the key remember?

[boreal ingot]

Is this an elided 'when' or what?

It was ten o'clock; we sat on this seat. I was not crying then; it was sweet to me to hear what he said.... And he said that he would come to us directly he arrived, and if I did not refuse him, then we would tell grandmother about it all.

The sentence doesn't seem grammatical to me

[timber bluff]

elided means??
@signal shell

[boreal ingot]

look it up

I'm asking an English question

[timber bluff]

i propose my question

[timber bluff]

do you have listening questions like before? i like that type.
i can't stand reading. bit dyslexic tbh

[boreal ingot]

You do realise I ask my questions for my sake, yes? I enquire here that I may learn, not that you may find enjoyment

[supple holly]

I agree. Can't imagine any way how this would work

[timber bluff]

American English use inquire as British English use enquire.
though inquire can also be used as to investigate.

[boreal ingot]

Yeah idk, it's in a book from 1912, so notthat long ago

Might it be a mistranslation?

[signal shell]

Yeah, putting a "when" in there would fix this. It feels odd to me for someone to elide that though. Is this another one of those old vintage writings?

[signal shell]

Oh okay

[supple holly]

I think you're replying to the wrong message or person lol

[boreal ingot]

yea not so old

but it is a translation of an 1800s Russian book

[signal shell]

Perhaps the translator found this to be difficult to translate

[timber bluff]

yes. i just commenting and taking note to myself on the previous discusssion about 'enquire' and 'inquire'
since i never use enquire myself, always inquire as to seek for information

?def elide

[hazy herald]

Word: elide

Definition (verb): leave or strike out

Definition requested by arc_879

[timber bluff]

i agree
but perhaps, it should be read as a pause, like in a play reading.

[timber bluff]

?def devolve

[hazy herald]

Word: devolve

Definition 1 (verb): grow worse
Definition 2 (verb): be inherited by
Definition 3 (verb): pass on or delegate to another

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by arc_879

[buoyant yarrow]

Hi everyone, can someone help how to use past perfect and past simple, I always do confusion about it

[boreal ingot]

@signal shell @supple holly I have found the answer:

I've also added the sentence as a quotation

[supple holly]

It's always the Brits

[timber bluff]

you can compare the use of Past Perfect with Present Perfect as well

[dense oasis]

it works the same in polish

[signal shell]

Ooooo

[boreal ingot]

Could you help me know which part of the bible this is from 😅 This book is called 'A paraphrase, and annotations upon all the books of the New Testament', but it's so confusingly formated that I have no idea what part is the bible and what part is the annotation

I mean 7

[timber bluff]

?def reprobate

[hazy herald]

Word: reprobate

Definition 1 (noun): a person without moral scruples
Definition 2 (verb): express strong disapproval of
Definition 3 (adjective): deviating from what is considered moral or right or proper or good

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by arc_879

[signal shell]

2 Corinthians, chapter 13

I don't know exactly which translation this is though

[boreal ingot]

I love you

I have been so confused about this lol, now I just have to look through translations 'till one satsifies my ant for interesting language

particulary that 'not that I may' construction

[signal shell]

Actually, it might just be the king James version

[boreal ingot]

IT ISSS

So it's teh big text that's from the bible, not the small text

I seee

[signal shell]

An oldie that is still very popular, especially among older Christians in America

[boreal ingot]

how did you know which text was from the biblee

[signal shell]

Google

[boreal ingot]

I tried to google itt

[signal shell]

Also I had a hunch

[boreal ingot]

Came up with nothing

maybe im jus dumb lol

thank you for the help Mr Rossss

[signal shell]

I've read the Bible myself, so I have an intuition about which words feel like they belong, lol

[boreal ingot]

So so, Mr Ross, the only reason I was looking at this was to find this construction:

Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

Isn't it beautifuullll

[signal shell]

Yeah I like that construction

[boreal ingot]

It's so so cool I lve it

love

[signal shell]

I never thought much about it before

But I guess I can see how cool it is

[timber bluff]

Mr Ross is religious

u don't love money then..

[signal shell]

Not anymore actually

I'm an atheist now

I guess I never loved money all that much, not before and not after my apostasy

[boreal ingot]

Ive heard ppl say 'read the bible and you'll stop being religious'

[timber bluff]

since joining this hub?

[boreal ingot]

is that accurate? :p

[signal shell]

Before that

[buoyant yarrow]

So after that I'll understand how to use in the past?

[timber bluff]

yes, sort of.

[signal shell]

That doesn't work for everyone. I know many Christians who have read the Bible several times over. This doesn't change their mind.

[buoyant yarrow]

My problem is to use "perfect" in general

[timber bluff]

i believe they meet God that way

[boreal ingot]

Ah I see

Did your reading it contrubute at all to your becoming an apostate?

[buoyant yarrow]

In all tenses

[signal shell]

Possibly. It probably eventually got me to the point that I would start to question some things. My deconversion was a process that spanned over several years for me.

To an extent, I'm still going through that process. Trying to unlearn a lot of stuff...

[timber bluff]

you may try visit this
https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/grammar/b1-b2-grammar/past-perfect

[boreal ingot]

makes senseee

sorry if my questions were too personal

[timber bluff]

compare it with the exercises in Present Perfect and Past Simple too in this website. it's complete here

[signal shell]

It's okay. There are many things I'm willing to share. If there's something I'd rather not say, I won't say it.

[boreal ingot]

understood

[timber bluff]

?def unlearn

[hazy herald]

Word: unlearn

Definition 1 (verb): discard something previously learnt, like an old habit
Definition 2 (verb): try to forget; put out of one's memory or knowledge

Definition requested by arc_879

[leaden ether]

guys im looking for cheap and good wireless headphones that wont fall if im sycling

any advise

[buoyant yarrow]

Ty

[flat rune]

Hi english native speaker or advanced speaker

In the song

"Here comes the sun" by the Beatles
What is the best translation of "Here", since it sounds weird if I translates literally

[buoyant yarrow]

Airpods but isn't headphones, or need to be headphones?

[buoyant yarrow]

Maybe the sun is rising

[timber bluff]

how is that translated though?

[flat rune]

Wdym?

"Here, the sun comes"

I mean the usage of "Here" in the lyric is sth I dont get it

[buoyant yarrow]

what language do you speak?

[signal shell]

Yeah, the sun is the thing doing the coming. This is an inversion of the subject with the verb

[buoyant yarrow]

It’s like the sun is coming — not exactly arriving yet — but you can see it coming.

[signal shell]

It's like saying "the sun is coming here", in a way so as to announce its arrival.

[timber bluff]

INVERSION
noted mister
ty

[flat rune]

Im trying to translate to my lang

Here like "to this spot"?"

The sun comes to this area
This area=here

[buoyant yarrow]

Like you're seeing it coming

[signal shell]

More or less, yeah. In this case, maybe more like "to this general area" since the sun covers over a large area.

[flat rune]

because Im afraid that HERE on the lyrics cant be translated in literal way

Like "Here you go"

[signal shell]

If you were to say, "here comes the general", it would mean more like "to this place/spot"

[flat rune]

The general?

[signal shell]

I'm quoting the Hamilton musical

Which is the subject of my series of lessons

[timber bluff]

The general Hamilton

[signal shell]

No, general Washington

Hamilton was never general, to my knowledge

[timber bluff]

the general Washington
the general Ross
the general Lilo

[timber bluff]

what is an admiral sir?

[signal shell]

It's like a general, but for the navy instead of the army

And I've been lazy, General should be capitalized when used as a title for a person

It should be General Washington

[flat rune]

So which one is the closest translation

"Here comes the sun"

The sun comes to this area
OR
Here (like in "here you go", the sun comes

[signal shell]

Here, the sun comes

Or even, "the sun comes here"

Or just plainly "the sun is coming"

[leaden ether]

headphones

[cloud badge]

The sentence is perfectly fine. What's the problem?

[boreal ingot]

And he said that he would come to us directly he arrived

does this seem fine to you?

I've already learnt that this is just a British construction

But I'm curious if you're also familiar with this usage of 'directly'

as an American

[cloud badge]

Oh my brain inserted an as after directly that wasn't actually there. Yeah never mind. Needs an as or something after directly imo.

[boreal ingot]

Yeah, needs an 'as' or a 'when', but apparently you can use 'directly' like that

[cloud badge]

Like what?

Without the as?

[boreal ingot]

this

[cloud badge]

Oh ew

I wonder how the amount of times this was used compares to the amount of typos or dropped articles in writing lol. That's a joke but yeah that's just, how do you find such weird wordings for so many things?

[boreal ingot]

I just read stuff, read old stuff, and pay too much attention to people's phraseology in speech and writing

[gentle hamlet]

.

[flat rune]

If "plainly", then what is the usage of "Here" there.

Hehehe, hmm

[boreal ingot]

It's not reallly about where the sun is coming, it's about the fact that the sun is coming

it's just an announcement of the fact something is coming

'Here comes Mr Ross! Everyone quiet down' = 'Mr Ross is coming! Everyone quiet down'

'Here I come' = 'I'm coming'

It just a more intense way of saying it

an exclamation

I would translate it as 'the sun is coming'

[flat rune]

Ah okay thanks all

What about the part of "Little Darling"? Whats the best translation?

[boreal ingot]

Could you provide the part?

[flat rune]

sure

[boreal ingot]

'Little darling' is being used as an affectionate term of address

'darling' is a fond/loving way of refering to your beloved

often saying something is 'small', 'tiny', 'little' means it's 'cute'

[flat rune]

Yes but what about little darling

The closest translation is

Small or cute?

[boreal ingot]

sorry?

they didn't say 'darking' anywhere

[boreal ingot]

cute

depends

do you use 'small' to mean 'cute' in your language?

You have to translate it in a way that makes sense in your language while still being accurate

if you don't say stuff like 'you're my cute little sweetheart' in your native language, then don;t use 'small' or 'little', use 'cute'

[flat rune]

nope, small is the opposite of big

[boreal ingot]

then use 'cute', 'adorable', etc.

[flat rune]

Cute darling

Adorable darling, its been a long cold winter

[flat rune]

It's been a long cold winter

on this song

means the cold winter has finished?

[boreal ingot]

no

it's either at the very end

or right after

depends on context

probably at the very end though

[flat rune]

if it is right after, means it is completed

[boreal ingot]

yea, but notmally you'd say 'was' there

[flat rune]

I also thought the same think but chatgpt translated the winter has passed

"passed" not "finished"

[boreal ingot]

I'd think the winter is still on going, it's just almost over

[flat rune]

yeah, same. thanks!

[cloud badge]

I think it means the winter is still going, but it has been going long enough that they're ready for it to be over and are looking forward to feeling the warmth of the sunshine, hoping the day will feel like spring. I see this song metaphorically about lonliness though. It feels like the song is being sung from the perspective of the sun, and the little darling is lonely and the sun comes to cheer them up and chase away those cold lonely days and show them its ok now.

[timber bluff]

i hate numbers
summarize this explanation please

[barren hatch]

Coffee increases your metabolism and in some cases it can have a laxative effect on your body. Furthermore, it increases alertness and focus making it good for ADHD.

[timber bluff]

wow

[boreal ingot]

I like 'enquire' more :3

It was the 'directly' thing. I hadn't heard of that usage before but now I know

Wiktionary has it listed as a conjunction

[barren hatch]

I personally don't like the idea of old-fashioned writing because it makes me feel like I'm stupid.

Which I are, I iz stooped

On the other hand, it does help you develop a rich vocabulary and speaking in an old-fashioned way is kind of posh in my opinion, although I can never do it when others are around. Both because I don't want to sound weird and because I lack the intellect to operate my brain in order to find proper words that would make my sentence coherent.

[boreal ingot]

'as' or 'wehn' after 'directly'

but we've learnt it's not needed already

[signal shell]

Yeah, now that I've seen the usage of "directly" that was presented earlier, I agree that this sentence was translated well.

[boreal ingot]

mhm it was pretty well translated, but that is a very interesting usage of 'directly'

I love it

[signal shell]

Agreed

[barren hatch]

Although, I do believe this to be a little squalid, as if someone is purposefully writing in a way to entangle an inexperienced reader's brain into a proper knot.

Very interesting way of writing nonetheless

[boreal ingot]

what do you mean by 'squalid'?