📚｜english-questions

[crimson vortex]

hello, can you tell me the difference between "to hand", "to hand over" and "to hand in"

[verbal heron]

How do you bold a letter?

[sacred mirage]

ur too literal

starve can be used as exaggeration

its fine

but id see it not as an insult, but along those lines, its basically like pick this or don’t and suffer

[gaunt mango]

On discord you can bold text by using markdown language
Some common markdown language is here:
*italics* | italics
**bold** | bold
***bold italics*** | bold italics
__underline__ | underline
~~strikethrough~~ | strikethrough
> block quote |

Block quotes require the > to be the very first character of a line
# header 1
## header 2
### header 3

header 1

header 2

header 3

[verbal heron]

Oh, thanks

[gaunt mango]

Sorry if I didn't clarify,
for this i meant to convey, while starve is being used in a literal sense, it's still being exaggerated.
Saying that you will starve is most definitely an exaggeration here, purely to dramatize an opinion. Since it's a biased opinion I don't think the sentence itself is meant to be taken literally, but I didn't clarify that my explanation wasn't a literal definition either.

[boreal ingot]

`There's also this thing!`
There's also this thing!

And this

this thing

```
This thing
```

[gaunt mango]

I didn't include code blocking cause it's not commonly used outside of coding communities

I'm being hypocritical cause I used them earlier but yeah

[boreal ingot]

Oh ye that makes sense. But they look nice outside of that lok

[verbal heron]

What that even is 💀

[boreal ingot]

Oh this makes even more sense lol

[boreal ingot]

A thing for formatting code i think

It's the

One

[gaunt mango]

coding here blablabla
print("this")

[verbal heron]

idek the abc of it

[boreal ingot]

int i = 2;
System.out.println("hi");

[verbal heron]

😔

[boreal ingot]

Hm wonder why it didn't colour code

[verbal heron]

Is that correct? @gaunt mango

[soft jetty]

Oh cheers for the advice

[gaunt mango]

The message here isn't super clear so I'll try my best to interpret it.

It appears that if we say "codes were/have been changed", then it will mean that there had been some instant and drastic change in the format of the code, whereas if we say "codes changed/have changed" then it will mean that there has/have been no instant change in the format of the codes, rather it's been gradually changing, and over the years, it has taken some wholly different format/shape etc.

When talking specifically about how something changes, we will use adjectives and there isn't really an easy way to define how something changes without them.
"The codes were (past tense)/have (present perfect tense) been changed" doesn't describe how gradually the codes were changed, instead we would say something like
"The codes were changed over time, bit by bit" to indicate that they were changed slowly.

Conversely, we could say "The codes were changed instantly" to show that the codes have been changed without gradual change.

Let me know if I interpreted this incorrectly.

[boreal ingot]

Hey, @gaunt mango, do you know why it didn't do the coloured text? I put the name of the lang after the three backticks. I'm on phone

[gaunt mango]

System.out.println might not be a regular variable in the java language, discord only assumes the very basic and standard version of each coding language so if System.out.println is part of a specific library then discord wouldn't know how to interpret it.

[boreal ingot]

But what abt 'int'?

Thas normally coloured

Maybe you can't do it through phone

[gaunt mango]

I would send a screenshot but I am not allowed

I can see it colored perfectly fine on my screen

[boreal ingot]

Ohh

[gaunt mango]

int is colored as orange whereas i = 2 and "hi" are colored light blue

[boreal ingot]

Weird, I see yours as coloured but not mine

Discord being Discord I suppose

Thanks for putting up with the dumb question

[gaunt mango]

maybe because I used python

# python
print("Hello")

// java
System.out.println("Hello");

// C++
std::cout << "Hello" << std::endl;

[boreal ingot]

Hm, ig Discord doesn't like Java and C++ on phone for some reason

Or at least on my phone lol

[gaunt mango]

Probably a phone issue, yeah

[verbal heron]

Okay, thanks, but what would be the difference between the two: "The codes was/have/had been changed" and "The codes changed"?

Correct me if my wording is not proper

[acoustic geyser]

Which one is correct?
What's that supposed to mean?
What's that meant to mean?

[gaunt mango]

Saying The codes have been changed and The codes changed just implies action.

If you say The codes have been changed you're implying that the codes were changed by someone, or something. "They have been changed by her"
If you say The codes changed you're implying they changed on their own. "The codes change every 5 minutes to prevent any unauthorized hacking"

[gaunt mango]

Both of these are technically correct.
I would say "What's that supposed to mean?" is more common, though.

[acoustic geyser]

The second sounds a bit redundant, doesn't it

Meant to mean

😄

[verbal heron]

I see, thanks for correction

[gaunt mango]

Yeah, in more formal contexts I would say it sounds more redundant, I think that's why the first one is more common in general.

[verbal heron]

It intends to draw attention

[verbal heron]

Where would you use it except in poetry?

[gaunt mango]

You don't really have to use it anywhere.
It can be used pretty interchangeably with "What's that supposed to mean"

"And I told her she looked like an orange penguin!"
"What's that meant to mean?"

I would say that it's just less common in general since as mentioned earlier, it sounds a tiny bit redundant.

More common to say "What does that mean" or "What's that supposed to mean"

[verbal heron]

hm ok

[verbal heron]

Yea

I wouldn't use 'meant to meant' unless I want to pretend

what does this line mean?

[gaunt mango]

"The road was a ribbon of light"
This is a metaphorical statement, we're comparing "the road" to a "ribbon of light"
You can think of the ribbon similarly to ribbons you would see on a christmas present, very smooth and flowing.
since we also describe the ribbon as a "ribbon of light" we mean that the ribbon is lit up.
Literally we can interpret it as, the road is very smooth and flowy, being bright and lit up.

[verbal heron]

is it interpreted as the beacon here?

here, 'it' refers to the ribbon

[gaunt mango]

It looks like this was taken out of a book, so I'm out of context when it comes to any beacons.
I think the story here is implying that the road is like a source of light, where as the road itself is glowing and bright.

[verbal heron]

No, It wasn't taken from a book; it was used to explain what metaphors are; even though I have seen the use of numerous metaphors, this one was a bit odd

Like the ribbon even forms a closed loop

[gaunt mango]

Ah I see.
I'm sure you have seen and heard everywhere that metaphors are comparing things without using 'like' or 'as'
Here we define the road as being a ribbon of light, not literally comparing it to a specific ribbon, just ribbons in general.

Flowing and smooth

[verbal heron]

Why do you mean by not comparing it to 'a specific ribbon'?

[verbal heron]

okay, but can we drop the possibility of a ribbon forming a loop?

[boreal ingot]

^^

[gaunt mango]

I just mean that in this example, we are comparing the road to ribbons in general. Ribbons are usually smooth, flowing and can usually be defined as a narrow strip. We aren't comparing the road to a specific ribbon, like a ribbon on a christmas present which has a loop, just ribbons in general.

[gaunt mango]

Yes, just because a ribbon can form a loop doesn't mean it has to when using it in a metaphorical or simile sense

[verbal heron]

K, that's clear to me now

[verbal heron]

hm ok

[gaunt mango]

If you're asking a question about how similar Swedish and Norwegian grammar is, asking
"How similar is Swedish and Norwegian grammar?" is more proper.
The reason why is because it's more concise, and because it follows sentence structure a little closer.
When asking questions we invert the subject and the verb, making it more efficient and it flows a little more naturally.
Another small bit is that in more casual English, "Grammar" is used as an uncountable noun, so when talking casually it's just more proper to say "Swedish and Norwegian grammar" (talking about grammar systems in general) than "The grammars of Swedish and Norwegian".

[boreal ingot]

So

How similar are the grammars of Swedish and Norwegian?
is correct? But not the most ussual?

I'm pretty sure 'grammar' can be countable when rerfering to the entire system

are you saying that this is not the case ever, or that it's avoided in casual English?

I wasn't really trying to be casual when I wrote that, as I said, normally I'd say:

How similar are Swedish and Norwegian in terms of grammar?

[gaunt mango]

I would say, use it in formal settings.

[boreal ingot]

I see

[gaunt mango]

I feel like "How similar are the grammars of Swedish and Norwegian?" is something I would see in a sociolinguistics class

[boreal ingot]

I see, so academic or formal language

[gaunt mango]

Yeah

[gaunt mango]

‼️

[boreal ingot]

hm?

[gaunt mango]

It's avoided in casual English, you're right

[boreal ingot]

Mhnm, understood

[boreal ingot]

lastly, which do you prefer formally?

How similar are the grammars of Swedish and Norwegian?

How similar are the Swedish and Norwegian grammars?

[gaunt mango]

1st one.
Second one feels very clunky because of the the

[boreal ingot]

Without the 'the', the second would be wrong, right?

^ wow this sentence is weird lmao

[gaunt mango]

Yes, but I would write it as "How similar is Swedish and Norwegian grammar"

instead of using "are the"

[boreal ingot]

even formally?

[gaunt mango]

With shorter sentences like this formality is less of a stress, but the first one is still better formally

[boreal ingot]

Alrighty!

Many thanks :>

[gaunt mango]

Honestly, to keep it not clunky while being formal, using
`How similar are the grammars of Swedish and Norwegian" would be best

wait nvm that's your first sentence i just tried reformatting the second one

oops lol

[boreal ingot]

lol

iss alright

apreciate your help

don't mind my spelling

Do you all think the tenses are correct here:

Yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over if I had bought food before I returned from the market.

[lilac charm]

Hi, everyone!
My question isn't exactly about English but methods of learning it. Do you guys find reading aloud and/or shadowing a good way of practising your speaking/pronunciation? IMO, I do find them helpful but to a certain extent. They do work for me for a period of time (when I constantly practice). Unfortunately, I can't always ask my native English friends to talk to me on a daily basis, so I find other ways to compensate for that (talking to myself, attending english classes at uni and others). Will reading books out loud do the trick?

[round wigeon]

Idk idk

I came up with

try to find an american and force, kill sightly them to learn english

[verbal heron]

@gaunt mango I am confused as to when to use 'compare to' and when to use 'compare with'

[gaunt mango]

Use compare to when comparing things that are unique in nature to one another
“The casual athletes compared their professional teacher to a gorilla with how strong he is”

Use compare with when comparing things of similar nature
“Let’s compare the specs of the newest iPhone release with the very first iPhone”

[verbal heron]

Do people these days replace compare with with compare to?

[gaunt mango]

compare with and compare to are mostly synonymous, but it’s more typical to find them in the examples I showed above

In casual English there really isn’t a difference

[boreal ingot]

^

[velvet viper]

I do in real life, unless I’m specifying something that had happened in the past.

Besides that, I replace it whilst talking to others

[gaunt mango]

Yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over if I had bought food before I returned from the market.

The sentence feels unnatural because it’s a slight run on sentence, you also state a lot of clauses but they don’t interact with each other well.

This makes the sentence really hard to understand

If I had bought food before I returned from the market yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over.
(The sentence I wrote implies that you bought food yesterday and he is coming over today which I’m assuming is what you meant in your original sentence.)

[flat rune]

Does try away exist as a phrasal verb ?

[gaunt mango]

No,
Phrasal verbs like “Try on” or “try out” are though

The most similar thing I could think of to “try away” would be “go ahead and try”

[flat rune]

What does try on mean ?

[velvet viper]

To wear something

[flat rune]

Ty

[velvet viper]

To see if you like it or not

[gaunt mango]

To try on would be in a situation where you would be trying on clothes, like in a department store.
“I’m going to try on these pants”

[velvet viper]

And trying out means signing up for something like an extracurricular, I don’t know if this phrasal verb in particular is used outside of this context.

[gaunt mango]

Trying out could be used in a lot of different contexts. Usually try out would mean to test something temporarily to determine its quality.
“She tried out a new game”
“He tried out his dads new car”

[velvet viper]

It also means to try something, in order to reach a solution

[flat rune]

Can we change it by I am going to try these pants ?

[gaunt mango]

You can but it’s less precise in English

In casual and formal English you’ll say “I’m going to try on these pants”

It’s just more precise

[flat rune]

Oh ok

What about play

Does a phrasal verb exist for it ?

[boreal ingot]

no im saying he came over yesterday, and I wasn't eating, but if I had bought food before coming back from the market, then I would have been eating when he came yesterday

[velvet viper]

Usually I would say
“She got to try out the new game” - sometimes I would say “play” in place of the phrasal verb.
“He went out for a rip with his father’s car”. - This one is very informal, but in terms of being formal I would’ve said either the same thing as you or something very close to it.

[boreal ingot]

How does my sentence fail to convey that? @gaunt mango

[flat rune]

.

[velvet viper]

There are several of them but I’ll name a few that I think are common

Play along: Pretend to go along with something to keep someone happy

Play around: to be silly

Play back: To replay something that you’ve recorded

Play out: To see how a situation turns out in the end.

[flat rune]

How do you use the carry out phrasal verb?

[velvet viper]

To complete/fulfill something

[flat rune]

Hey are you native canedian?

[velvet viper]

For example:

“Researchers have been carrying out tests on patients in order to
determine the cause”

[flat rune]

@velvet viper

[flat rune]

Ty

[velvet viper]

If you mean native Canadian as in First Nations then no, but if you mean a native speaker of Canadian English then yes.

[flat rune]

Okay

Do you know

How many phrasal verbs people use daily ?

Cause this is my greatest problem in my learning process

Same

I'm afraid of phrasal verbs

[flat rune]

The worsg thing to learn

I wish i never heatd about 'em

Heard*

Yeah i mean , a phrasal verb can cover all the meaning of the sentence and if you don't know the meaning of the phrasal verb it is probable in the 70% of the cases that you may not understand it

I don't know if make myself to understand

I bet wish out and wish away exist ?

[velvet viper]

I unfortunately cannot list how many phrasal verbs are regularly used, therefore I cannot give you a specific number 😞

[flat rune]

Don't they ?

[velvet viper]

Because different contexts allow for different phrasal verbs to be used whether.

[velvet viper]

Wish away does

Wish out does not

[flat rune]

What does it mean ?

[velvet viper]

To hope that something will disappear or stop

[flat rune]

Can it be interchanged by smth else ?

[velvet viper]

I’d also like to apologize for responding late due to the internet connection not being good today.

[flat rune]

Don't be sorry

Sometimes we can't respond right now

[flat rune]

Is it possible making yourself to understand without using phrasal verb in larg cuantities of texts?

I mean , why do phrasal verbs exist ? , sorry that is not a smart qurstion 🤣

[velvet viper]

Not that I know of, since it’s actually not that common of a phrasal verb in English hence not making it interchangeable with another one

[flat rune]

Ty for responding to me

[velvet viper]

Yes, it’s possible.

[flat rune]

How do the english speakers do to know all phrasal verbs that exist in english ?

[velvet viper]

That I don’t even know

It’s not like I study linguistics or smth

[flat rune]

Hahaha sorry

[velvet viper]

They’re simply drilled into us at a young age

[flat rune]

Ah ok

Xd i'm meditating about it you know?

For example

[velvet viper]

Ask any native English speaker the same question and the answer will be similar to mine, unless they’ve taken it upon themselves to teach themselves English grammar or whilst studying linguistics as their major.

[flat rune]

I got to the conclution that every word has a meaning , but they dont have a single meaning rather it depends on the context the word is used

BUT

You can understand

The meaning of that suposed word

Without translating it

[flat rune]

They have took ?

It's they have taken

[velvet viper]

Typo

[flat rune]

And how? Well you need to experience fisically in the specific enviroment where these kind of words are spelled

[flat rune]

Typo ?

[velvet viper]

The key thing here is context

[velvet viper]

A mistake

[flat rune]

Yeah u made a mistake

It's they have taken

For example i don't know what does hesitate means in spanish but i remembered forever

I've never heard about they have took

[velvet viper]

I type rather quickly which does allow for typos.

[velvet viper]

?def hesitate

[hazy herald]

Word: hesitate

Definition 1 (verb): interrupt temporarily an activity before continuing
Definition 2 (verb): pause or hold back in uncertainty or unwillingness

Definition requested by schtraner

[flat rune]

Oh ok

?hold back

Xd

[velvet viper]

To be prevented of doing something

[flat rune]

Thanks bro, are you an AI ? Xd

[velvet viper]

No

But I wish I were one

[flat rune]

Oh okay

Hahaja yeah you would speak hundreds of languages and you'd have almost all the human knowledge

[velvet viper]

I already speak three, give me a fourth one to learn

[flat rune]

was*

I were does not exist

[velvet viper]

Were

It’s conditional

[flat rune]

ok

[flat rune]

🗿 asssssssstonisheeeeeang

[velvet viper]

https://www.grammarly.com/blog/sentences/conditional-sentences-was-instead-of-were/#:~:text=When using be in an,clause in unreal conditional sentences.

[flat rune]

So how long does take to learn english

Acording to what you have read from my texts , what level would you put me on at writing?

That's the last question i dont wanna bother you all the day ajhha

[velvet viper]

At least B1

[velvet viper]

*all day

[flat rune]

Thanks

[flat rune]

Never about i wish i were

I heard about i wish i was

[velvet viper]

It’s quite common

At least in Canadian English

[flat rune]

Why would people use a plural to be verb

If you are reffering yourself

Kind of weird

Idk

? Def flirting

[hazy herald]

Word: flirting

Definition (noun): playful behavior intended to arouse sexual interest

Definition requested by henryhenry033

[flat rune]

?def lose hearth

[hazy herald]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[velvet viper]

They’re both used but here’s the main difference:

The first sentence conveys a hypothetical situation that would most likely never happen.

The second one is informal and conveys that something might have been true in the past.

[whole anvil]

?def hindsight

[hazy herald]

Word: hindsight

Definition (noun): understanding the nature of an event after it has happened

Definition requested by ririlala68

[flat rune]

?def rather

[hazy herald]

Word: rather

Definition 1 (adverb): more readily or willingly
Definition 2 (adverb): to some (great or small) extent
Definition 3 (adverb): to a degree (not used with a negative)

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by henryhenry033

[velvet viper]

https://youtu.be/xEIgovSVeyI?si=1MP_fvjTgAjompms @flat rune

Some native speakers do use them interchangeably in informal situations

[sacred mirage]

if i was you id behave, if i were you id behave

so yeah, in informal situations its interchangeable and were is mainly used in the North

and its usually pronounced wore or wu

[tough crown]

hi everyone

[boreal ingot]

Do you all think the tenses are correct here:

Yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over if I had bought food before I returned from the market.

[acoustic geyser]

Is this sentence correct?
Have you eaten my cake while I was phoning?

[supple peak]

No

[steep tinsel]

No

[steep tinsel]

Hey

[tidal lily]

Did you eat my cake while I was on call ?

[acoustic geyser]

Huh, I thought it would work

[tidal lily]

Wait for someone else's response they might make it work ?

[acoustic geyser]

No

[verbal heron]

This sentence is in past continuos ie. it was happening at some time in the past (the second sentence). So, the first sentence cannot be written in present perfect perform, it should be written in simple past

[acoustic geyser]

Thanks

[verbal heron]

In my opinion, a correct version of it would be: "Did you eat my cake while I was ringing (someone) /on a phone call?"

[verbal heron]

Welcome; to remove confusion there is another example: The newspaper came while I was drinking my moring tea

Everyone, please feel free to correct me if you notice any error in my point 🙏

After all, I'm also a beginner and intermediate

[rapid bison]

apart from the probable (= likely) "mor__n__ing" typo, sounds good to me 👀

[verbal heron]

Sheesh lol 💀

But thanks pointing it out

[rapid bison]

ye 💀

gl with this language

[verbal heron]

gl?

do you mean 'good luck'?

[rapid bison]

yea

[errant kettle]

I probably would ask: Did you eat my cake while I was on the phone?

[errant kettle]

Hellos

[verbal heron]

Which of the following is correct?
"He has good argument skills"
"He has good argumentation skills"
"He has good argumentative skills"

[glad oxide]

I don’t know if this considered an English question I’m so slow and dumb rn, but how do l memorize words after studying them?

[verbal heron]

By applying it in a sentence

[thorn condor]

for passive vocabulary anki is a way to go. just install awesometts + use images or gifs

[glad oxide]

Alright thank you both of you!! : D

[verbal heron]

welcome fellow

Read as many examples as you can to have a better understanding of the word

that you want to memorize

[thorn condor]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1939905604 you might use it as a template for your cards. it'll save lots of time

[glad oxide]

Oooo alright thanks again both of you : )

[verbal heron]

🙏

[acoustic geyser]

Can I use the past perfect tense without the past simple, as long as it emphasizes that the action in the past happened before another action?

[tidal lily]

My money is on 3rd example. Because it's an adjective and Skills word is a plural noun.

Although I'd prefer to say, " he has good debating skills"

Question

Pronounciation of the word facade :

Should I pronounce it as fakaadii or fasaadii ?
In British English?

[sacred mirage]

its not as complicated as you make think, heres some explanation: https://youglish.com/pronounce/facade/english/uk. but in short its just fasard

[silent river]

quick question, is the repeated use of words like "I", "you" or "the", "that" bad? In Polish, our teachers put a lot of emphasis on making sure we don't repeat words in our essays, is it the same in English?

I'm asking because I find myself repeating words like "I" a lot, though in Polish it's not that much of an issue because you can conjugate every verb to mean "I am doing (verb)" anyways

[flat rune]

? Def hatred

[hazy herald]

Word: hatred

Definition (noun): the emotion of intense dislike; a feeling of dislike so strong that it demands action

Definition requested by henryhenry033

[flat rune]

?def essay

[hazy herald]

Word: essay

Definition 1 (verb): make an effort or attempt
Definition 2 (verb): put to the test, as for its quality, or give experimental use to
Definition 3 (noun): an analytic or interpretive literary composition

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by henryhenry033

[neat bone]

?def gig

[hazy herald]

Word: gig

Definition 1 (noun): an implement with a shaft and barbed point used for catching fish
Definition 2 (noun): a booking for musicians
Definition 3 (noun): a cluster of hooks (without barbs) that is drawn through a school of fish to hook their bodies; used when fish are not biting

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by badass6969

[rapid bison]

they are the most common words of the English language. you should not have to worry about limiting them.

[acoustic geyser]

Hello

[sacred mirage]

hello?

[acoustic geyser]

I wonder if these sentences have the same meaning:
How do I do something
How to do something

Are they the same thing, or is it just a shorter way of expressing that?

[sacred mirage]

How do I do something: a direct, complete question.

How to do something: used as part of a phrase or instruction, not a complete question.

How do I bake a cake?

This recpie shows me how to bake a cake

[acoustic geyser]

Thanks

I’ve been considering whether it was a question.

[boreal ingot]

Do you all think the tenses are correct here:

Yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over if I had bought food before I returned from the market.

[boreal ingot]

Fasar(?)d ?

I don't think there's an r?

[flat rune]

i think it can be corrected like Yesterday I would have eaten when he came over if I had bought food before I returned from the market

[boreal ingot]

But that's not what I mean

I mean that I would have been in the process of eating

But I wasn't

Cuz I didn't buy food

So when he came I wasn't already eating

Even though if I did but food

I would have been eating

How do I convey that

What makes my sentence wrong

[rapid bison]

sounds like regional variation in speech

[flat rune]

Imo it isnt wrong then but instead of before i returned you can use before returning ....i think it will make more sense

because its past continuous

[crimson vortex]

Hello, what is the difference between "to hand", "to hand over" and "to hand in"????

[flat rune]

To hand just means something’s right there ready to grab like if your phone’s to hand it’s just sitting there within reach... hand over is when you pass something to someone and hand in is when you give something to someone in charge like handing in your assignment to the teacher

[boreal ingot]

So my sentence is correct?

I see

Thanks

[crimson vortex]

Okay, thanks, but i meant "to hand something to someone". What is the difference between this and to hand over?

[visual umbra]

Yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over if I had bought food... - this part is correct. It says that you did not buy food and, for this reason, were not eating when he came over.

...before I returned from the market. - this part looks illogical to me. It hints that you were supposed to buy food somewhere on your way from the market to your home.

If you were supposed to buy food at the market, you need to make it clear. For instance:
Yesterday, I would have been eating when he came over if I had bought food at the market.
Or:
...while I was at the market.

[boreal ingot]

Before you return from the market, where are you? At the market. So to me it makes sense that you would buy food before you return from the market

[visual umbra]

When you hand over something or someone to another person, you do not just give that thing or individual, you also transfer responsibility or put that person in charge of the thing that you "hand over".

He caught the burglar and handed him over to the police. Now the police are in charge of handling the burglar.

She handed her daughter over to her parents before going on a business trip. Now her parents are responsible for her daughter while she is on a business trip.

[boreal ingot]

Bought food -> returned from the market

I Had bought food before I returned

[visual umbra]

You did not jump from the market to home instantaneously. It took some time. When you were returning from the market, you were not at the market. And you say that you had (or had not) bought food before you returned from the market, not while you were there. This suggests that you thought of buying food on your way from the market to home.

You can say that you had not bought food before you left the market to go home, or while being at the market.

But, of course, it is up to you.

[boreal ingot]

But the 'returning' starts right when you leave the market, so whatever is before you returned is at the market

Ig I don't really get it

[visual umbra]

"before I returned" means "before I came home".
When you left the market and began "returning", you did not return yet, but you were not at the market already.

[boreal ingot]

I see what you mean

It's like saying

had bought food at any point as I returned from the market

ig

hm

thanks

[boreal ingot]

370 I think that was
Is this a valid sentence?

I feel like it's something I would say out loud

[stone jackal]

In my opinion your sentence was fine and I understood it perfectly. That is just my opinion and I do not wish to begin a point counter point with anyone about it.

[boreal ingot]

Hi Bompasaurus, btw It's been a while

[boreal ingot]

Oh, thank you! Got it

[stone jackal]

Life is too short for knock down drag out arguments. Life is not always about winning one.

[boreal ingot]

Yea, thas true

thanks for the advice

[boreal ingot]

Btw, since you're here, could you tell me what you think of this sentence? ^ @stone jackal

Sorry to bother you

[stone jackal]

It sounds like it is missing a that after the something but people often omit the that when speaking.

[boreal ingot]

sorry, where would the 'that' go?

[stone jackal]

If I wrote it i would probably include the that.

[boreal ingot]

It sounds like it is missing a that after the something
this bit is confusing me 😅

[stone jackal]

I feel like it's something THAT I would say out loud

[boreal ingot]

Ohh I wasn't talking about 'I feel like it's something I would say out loud'! Sorry for the misunderstanding

I meant the sentence I quoted right above it

[boreal ingot]

^

370, I think that was

Sorry I didn't make that clear

Sorry 😅

[stone jackal]

Is this a valid sentence? ... yes

[boreal ingot]

So I could say '370, I think that was' casually without any misunderstandings and it would be considered correct?

Thank you

[stone jackal]

Without context, I would have no idea what you were talking about.

Is that a question number or a measure or what? 370? I think that was the answer.

[boreal ingot]

I guess, imagine I'm doing something over and over again many times in a row, and I get a new personal best for the number of times I've done it in a row (that being '370'), then I excitedly say '370 (times), I think that was!'

[stone jackal]

Sounds like a fragment of a conversation.

[boreal ingot]

that's for context

[stone jackal]

370! I exclaimed in truimph. Well, at least I think that was!

[boreal ingot]

Yee I think that works

[stone jackal]

Seems like i would make it two sentences. Of course with quotation marks where appropriate.

[boreal ingot]

Thanks

[stone jackal]

I am no author.

A quote from Popeye the sailor... I ain’t no physicist, but I knows what matters!

[boreal ingot]

oh what language is that

[uncut compass]

It's french

[boreal ingot]

Oh I see

thank you

[uncut compass]

I think it says "This is not a pipe".

Idrk much french though

[boreal ingot]

'une' is 'a'?

[boreal ingot]

Do you know if that 'n'-' in 'n'est' means 'ne'?

I thought French used two negations, like 'ne [verb] pas'

but I only see 'pas' :/

So idk

I don't speak French I'm just curious

[uncut compass]

(est = is) in uhh il-form maybe?

You don't say "This not a pipe."
You say "This is not a pipe."

[uncut compass]

Wait no, Ce'est is 'this is'

so n'est pas would be 'this is not' where the verb is "C'est"?

[cloud badge]

doesnt it say Ceci? i took french in high school and dont remember ever seeing it spelled like that

[verbal heron]

What is the difference between the two: "It's you who has to direct yourself (show the way)" and "It's you who have to direct yourself (show the way)"?

Is the latter a correct sentence?

[uncut compass]

Ce est is "This is" where Ce is "This" and est is "is" ig but since "Ce" ends with a vowel you say it as "C'est"

[cloud badge]

yeah, but why does it say 'Cesi'

[uncut compass]

Good one

[verbal heron]

what?

[uncut compass]

I have no idea

My brain just autocorrected so bad

[cloud badge]

the you in the second sentence would have to be plural to use 'have', so youd need to change yourself to yourselves

[uncut compass]

MAYBE ceci also means "this"

It does mean "this"

[verbal heron]

K, thanks

[cloud badge]

only thing i can think of is the word ici meaning here i think? so maybe its saying this here is not a pipe? total guess tho

[uncut compass]

yeahh

[uncut compass]

YEAHH MAKESS SENSE

GGS

[boreal ingot]

I googled, and apparently before vowels 'ne' is 'n''. thas interesting

Ig 'not is not' ?

like

double negation being the norm is so odd to me lol

doesn't 'pas' make it negative and 'n'' make it negative?

[cloud badge]

non and pas always go together if i remember correctly

[boreal ingot]

so to make 'aime' negative we'd say this?

***n'***aime pas

[uncut compass]

It's actually n'

[boreal ingot]

ha?

Is that not what I said

[uncut compass]

yea I think

[boreal ingot]

I see

Oh, thinking about it

Arabic (my native lang) kinda does the same thing

like

having two negation markers

[uncut compass]

TBH, idek how I know french tbh

[cloud badge]

isnt that a shortening of non?

[boreal ingot]

I thought it was a shortening of 'ne'

[uncut compass]

Like I had it for 11th grade (im in 12th rn) just real basics,
But I just mugged up the syllabus a week before the exam using ChatGPT and Claude

[uncut compass]

yaya

[boreal ingot]

then is it non or ne??

Im so confused

lol

[uncut compass]

non you could use it normally

it means "no"

[cloud badge]

oh perhaps, theyre all related tho, like from the same word i think at least

[uncut compass]

ne pas is a negation

basically

[boreal ingot]

ohh

'non' is 'no'

'ne' is 'not'?

or ig 'ne pas' is 'not'

[uncut compass]

It usually works like ne [Verb] pas for the negation of a verb.

[boreal ingot]

got it

and then before verbs starting with a vowel, 'ne' becomes 'n''

[uncut compass]

BUT if the verb starts with a,e,i,o,u,h then it's n'[Verb] pas

[boreal ingot]

Okay this makes srense :p

[uncut compass]

yeah

HOW DO I EVEN KNOW FRENCH?

[boreal ingot]

It's kinda like Middle English 'mi' and 'min'

ig

before vowels and 'h' you use 'min'
otherwise use 'mi'

[uncut compass]

Idk allat I'm Indian

[boreal ingot]

You're an Indian native English speaker

I wasn't aware Indians spoke English natively

[uncut compass]

Hey you do know that India has more native speakers than the UK, right? India's the second largest english speaking country in the world (right after America)

😂

[boreal ingot]

I did not know that, no

that's why I asked lol

[uncut compass]

Haha it's alr

[stone jackal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Magritte

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images

Context is everything!

[flat rune]

? Def Sort of

[hazy herald]

Word: Sort of

Definition (adverb): to some (great or small) extent

Definition requested by henryhenry033

[boreal ingot]

? Def apropos

[hazy herald]

Word: apropos

Definition 1 (adverb): introducing a different topic
Definition 2 (adverb): at an opportune time
Definition 3 (adjective): of an appropriate or pertinent nature

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by scelultrix

[boreal ingot]

oh this thing actually works damn

[sacred mirage]

ive never seen that in my life

[gaunt mango]

?def tittynope

[hazy herald]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[gaunt mango]

dictionary.com defines tittynope as a small quantity of tasty treat

[flat rune]

The heck is that word

[gaunt mango]

?def quomodocunquizing

[hazy herald]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[gaunt mango]

why are all the funny words i know not in the 'dictionary'

?def crapulous

[hazy herald]

Word: crapulous

Definition 1 (adjective): suffering from excessive eating or drinking
Definition 2 (adjective): given to gross intemperance in eating or drinking

Definition requested by zovixi

[gaunt mango]

there we go

[boreal ingot]

Ive seen it like three times

pretty cool word

I love it

[ember oracle]

Hi there! I have a question. What do people mean when they say the phrase "sent up the ropes" in everyday speech?

[verbal heron]

What are the preciding and following lines?

[ember oracle]

I don't know. It's just a phrase that I have heard and seen but I don't remember the sentences.

[verbal heron]

I have never come across such a phrasal verb, but I think I could help you provided that you provided the context for it

Please wait for the responses from native/fluent speakers

[ember oracle]

Well, I know that is not commonly used and it also has the maritime origin, but what it means in non-related to sea topics I have no clue

[verbal heron]

yea, where did you hear people using that phrase?

[ember oracle]

Usually when they`re talking in the streets, not related to sea places

[verbal heron]

You cannot comprehend anything from it

Are you sure that you heard them correctly?

[ember oracle]

Yes, I am completely sure

[cloud badge]

I've only heard it referring to up a rope like "he's got me up a rope" or "they're driving me up a rope" or something. The way i know it is when someone's making you do something you really hate and don't want to do but you have to and its frustrating you. As if someone's lighting a fire at the bottom of a rope so youre forced to climb it. That also relates to the phrase 'light a fire under their a**' ha with the fire giving them the motivation to get to the top.

You can also say im at the end of my rope when you're totally out of options for something your stressed about

[ember oracle]

Thanks, I will keep it in mind

[boreal ingot]

Why is it so damn hard to say 'Will all we'll ever have'

[tidal lily]

Thanks

[stone jackal]

Other than being a bit of a tongue twister, maybe is it the spirit inside of you telling you that the extra "will" has been put there by the department of redundancy department. Will all we ever have ....

[boreal ingot]

I never realised that that second will is redundant

[flat rune]

Hey guys , i have been reading english content during almost three days 3 to 4 hours per day and today i started to understand almost everything , not only written sentences but also english videos in youtube without subtitles , obviously sometimes i'd found some words i didn't understand but it was amazing to see myself listening and knowing all what the person was talking about.

I want to add i left stuying english since a whole year , but as i turned back learning these days , consuming content and so on i made an improvement.

I'm happy for it

I just wanted to share my achivement

But here is my question of today:

I think i got to a b1 almost b2 english level at least when it is about reading or listening , now how can i improve in my speaking in order to remind all the vocabulary i aquired in my learning process?

[verbal heron]

Here, in the second line, does 'its offering a valuable window' mean that it makes people want to dive into some particular field?

Please check my wording, it might have some error

@flat rune What language do you speak as a native?

[flat rune]

Spanish

[verbal heron]

Then, I guess you must have had people around you who speak English

[boreal ingot]

'something through which we can look at' basically

It's a good way to observe how literature was back then

[verbal heron]

Is it like a portal, an opening?

[flat rune]

Nope, i live too far from english speakers and advanced english speakers here are so dificult to find

Uruguay is my country

btw

[verbal heron]

Same case here, I am like an A1, regarding fluency

[boreal ingot]

Consider looking things up.

[flat rune]

Great, where are you from

[verbal heron]

Ah! sorry, I thought it could be some literary exaggeration, and some literary exaggeratioms can't be found by looking up only

[verbal heron]

From India

[flat rune]

Yeah we just need to keep on reading and listening , also writing , just exposing to the language ha

[errant kettle]

I think the meaning like the phrase “send it up the line” or “go up the chain” it means to escalate something to a higher supervisory level. “I wanted to move money in the program budget but had to send it up the line to get approvals from the fiscal manager” might be an example

[boreal ingot]

Fair enough

[verbal heron]

Yea ig, we have to start joining vc

more

from now on

[boreal ingot]

flagellation is whipping to teach a lesson right?

[verbal heron]

I've only heard of flagella

[flat rune]

Yeah that's gonna work , i don't know why but talking to people out loud helps you to remind your vocabulary and it gives you a grasp of fluency at speaking and thinking in english .

[errant kettle]

Practice in voice chats. I mean you can practice with ChatGPT or some similar program also but it is more fun to talk to actual humans and I would argue better practice

[boreal ingot]

That doesn't have anything to do with my question though

[flat rune]

Yeah thats right too , i prefer to humans

[verbal heron]

That's right, that's why I didn't tag your question

[boreal ingot]

It was in response to it, no?

I don't see you tagging anyone else, and it was the message right above yours

[verbal heron]

During monologues, I am always a hero

[errant kettle]

I often think of flagellation as whipping one’s self with the intent of increasing discipline and dedication

[verbal heron]

As different words can be formed from nouns alone

[boreal ingot]

But that's the thing, that's self-flagellation, its own thing, so what is flagellation

Without the 'self' part

Is it just disciplinary whipping?

The lady was the type to subject her servants to flagellation at the slightest mistake they made.

Would you say I've used it correctly? @errant kettle

[errant kettle]

Meaning of flagellation in English

the practice of whipping yourself or someone else, especially as a religious practice, for punishment, or for sexual pleasure: Ancient monks advocated flagellation as the path to salvation.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org › ...

[verbal heron]

Might it have some figurative meaning too?

[errant kettle]

I think it is not generally used just in the sense of discipline

Outside of that religious context

[boreal ingot]

So, flagellation includes self-flagellation, the latter is just more specific?

[boreal ingot]

I see

[errant kettle]

Yes that is how I understand it

If you use it in the way that you have it would be understood that she is whipping them and that perhaps she takes a perverse pleasure in doing so

[boreal ingot]

Got it, so I could say the zealously religious man engaged in 'flagellation' in hopes of his sins being forgiven, or I could replace it with 'self-flagellation' there, and the meaning would be the same?

[errant kettle]

Right but flagellation could be inflicted by another that is why the specification of “self-“‘is added. “Engaged in” is a vague enough verb that he could be self inflicting or he could be submitting to another for the infliction.

The meaning is clarified by the addition of “self”

[boreal ingot]

I see! Thank you for explaining

I fully understand now

💜

[acoustic geyser]

Why doesn't it use "will" instead of "would"?

[sacred mirage]

yeah i read it and I was like, discipline? I thought it was only sexual; hahaha my mind

[signal shell]

Probably because you don't ever hear about the other meanings used in modern times. Kinda outdated traditions today.

[sacred mirage]

Would is used for hyopthetical situations, polite requests or talking about something uncertain. Whereas, will is a definite future event. So here, it’s expressing a hypothetical situation where the potential outcome (being bankrupt) is imagined rather than certain

[sacred mirage]

yeah its normally flogging

[signal shell]

Because they are using that word to describe the hypothetical situation where they don't ignore medical issues.

If you wanted to describe what is actually happening as a consequence of ignoring medical issues, you might say something like "me ignoring medical issues because I will save lots of money"

[verbal heron]

Is the following paragraph grammatically free of error?
"Growing up in an urban area, they were unaware of the childhood pleasure felt by the villagers. When they were past adulthood, they, one day, saw some village kids enjoying the breeze in the open, with a carefree look in their eyes made them feel a sense of nostalgia they could never have."
What change can be made to make this paragraph fluid and lucid?

[boreal ingot]

Hm

'the childhood pleasure felt by the villagers'

Not sure what you mean by that bit

[signal shell]

I think he means the pleasure felt by the children of the village. Correct me if I'm wrong

[boreal ingot]

Maybe

the pleasure of childhood in a village

Would be better

[verbal heron]

No, I mean the pleasure that children in village would feel

[boreal ingot]

Growing up in an urban area, they were unaware of the pleasure of childhood in a village. When they were past adulthood, they, one day, saw some village kids enjoying the breeze in the open with a carefree look in their eyes, and the sight made them feel a sense of longing for something they could never have.

These would be my edits

[boreal ingot]

You repeated what Ethan said

Wdym 'no'

[verbal heron]

Sheesh lol

[signal shell]

I think there is a subtle difference that I didn't capture in my statement

[boreal ingot]

@verbal heron, anyway ^

Btw I think 'past adulthood' is weird

Maybe 'reached adulthood' or 'were adults' would be better

Unless you mean they were becoming elderly

[verbal heron]

Maybe they had become elderly or middle-aged

would it sound better?

[signal shell]

He means they do not know what it feels like to grow up in a village from childhood. How pleasing it can be.

[verbal heron]

Yea

[boreal ingot]

Not sure how to better phrase that, sorry

[signal shell]

Yeah it's a complex idea that may need more complex phrasing

But I think scella got pretty close to capturing the thought with their edit

[boreal ingot]

Btw, changing nostalgia to longing might have changed the meaning. I'm not sure which of these you meant:

A longing for something they could never have

Or

Nostalgia for something that never was

Which btw, there's a word for that sort of nostalgia lol

[signal shell]

Yes, I think longing is the better word here. But nostalgia could be used in a poetic sense

[boreal ingot]

anemoia

[signal shell]

That's an even better word, but not many people know it

[verbal heron]

ohk, no worries

[raven cove]

Hi

[boreal ingot]

Yeah, I've not seen people actually use it, only talk about the word. It's a shame

[verbal heron]

Their thought was: "Had we been born in the village, we could also have experienced what the children are experiencing."

[boreal ingot]

Maybe use 'a longing for something that will never be'

Cuz they know they can never ever be born in the village

Since they're born

Lol

But they long for that to be the case

But it will never be

[verbal heron]

I used the word 'nostalgia' to give it a non-literal meaning 😆

[boreal ingot]

But they aren't really feeling nostalgia, idk

[boreal ingot]

Maybe 'can' or 'could' would work better than 'will', to show the impossibility of it

[verbal heron]

that would change the setting, right?

Ah, setting may not be the correct word I'm looking for

[boreal ingot]

a sense of longing for something that can never be

They long for [x]

But they know [x] can never happen

Or exist

[verbal heron]

I think that is possible in case of figurative usage

[boreal ingot]

Wha

Ohh

Idk

Ask someone else about it ig

I prefer longing there but you should ask

[verbal heron]

Hm, no worries

thanks for the edits btw

They're quite helpful

[boreal ingot]

Np

[acoustic geyser]

Is this different from "be going to"?

[errant kettle]

I would say it is a pretty rare word outside specific circles.

[flat rune]

Hahahaa

[warm skiff]

Hi everyone! I made a short quiz about phrasal verbs, with explanations. I hope you find it helpful! https://youtu.be/CczOIfguTi0

[errant kettle]

I just had another thought about this. In maritime to send something up the rope could create a signal to another ship, so I wonder if the expression might relate to creating a signal of some kind.

[errant kettle]

Wow, thanks for this contribution. I wonder if you might be interested in teaching a class here on the server, if you are you can talk to @fierce swift

[acoustic geyser]

Hello

When we talk about the "future tense" we often talk about Arrangements, Plans or Intentions.

What is the difference between these words

[near tapir]

Hello everyone

[warm skiff]

That sounds interesting, I will definitely consider it ! Thanks for the suggestion.

[vivid narwhal]

hii

[acoustic geyser]

Hello, while watching a British TV show, I noticed that a character used "just" with the past simple. Are they using American English for an American audience, or is there another usage?

[fierce swift]

Thanks for the heads up .

[gaunt mango]

If you’re asking for the difference between Plans, Arrangements, and intentions then there are some small distinctions we can make
Plans can be a structure or strategy to achieve a goal
“She planned to graduate with straight A’s by studying for an hour every day”

Intentions can be defined as a desire or wish to do something, it doesn’t necessarily have to be planned out.
“He intended to help out but in reality he had no idea how to fix a computer”

Arrangements can be defined closer to specific preparations or agreements to organize an event or service.
“She arranged for flowers to arrive just in time for the wedding.”

[acoustic geyser]

Thanks

[wooden isle]

Hello!
If a person with no experience in english wants to learn english what are some good sites and apps for them to use?
they have some vocab but they are struggling with the other stuff
not sure if duolingo is a good option 😅

[thorn condor]

elsa, test-english.com, kevin buckley on yt

and almost forgot 😩 - anki

[sacred mirage]

Just is quite common for past simple. For example: ‘I just finished my homework’, which is common in British English

[marble sparrow]

Why 'and' is wrong here?

[sacred mirage]

because but shows a contrasting opinion e.g some people like sports with eachother but others like individual sports

it shows a difference, an opposing statement

[wooden isle]

Thanks!

[verbal heron]

Has been the following sentence been exaggerated to a large extent?
"The purple moor was the haven for the purple animals in the purple flood."
Here, purple flood: a mammoth of a flood, reference: the wavelength (less wavelength=more frequency=more energy) of the colors of the rainbow.
purple animals: grand number of animals
purple moor: moor filled with heather, a low plant of small, pink, white color.

I was basically trying to frame the sentence using the word "haven" but later, I decided to paint it

[stone jackal]

I came into this conversation late and haven't read all of the posts.
It seems to me that I can feel nostalgic about a time in the past which I have personally experienced.
For example, if I see the game of mousetrap being sold at a rummage sale, I can get that feeling because it brings pack good memories of when I played it as a child with my cousins.
I don't feel nostalgic when thinking about the time when dinosaurs or even cavemen roamed the earth.
Those are my two cents.

[lethal karma]

I’m learning Spanish and putting myself in Spanish discords and striking up conversations there has helped.

[loud tangle]

yes

the repetition of purple creates a hyperbolic effect

[verbal heron]

Has the word 'purple' been used incorrectly?

[verbal heron]

I see, which location should I remove that from?

[errant kettle]

I think purple animals does not convey a copious number of animals 💜

[verbal heron]

hm okay

and what about purple flood? Has it been used incorrectly too?

[errant kettle]

Hmmm, in a poetic sense it harkens to the purple light of sunset across the water…not sure that was where you were headed

[boreal ingot]

Ngl i have no idea how purple has any meaning there beside, well, being purple in colour :p

[boreal ingot]

I suppose at sunset it would be kinda purple, which would explain the purple flood and moor

Idk abt animals lol

[verbal heron]

It was intended to indicate a devastating flood

[errant kettle]

I have never heard of purple being used like that.

[verbal heron]

With the help of the wavelength of all the seven colors

[boreal ingot]

But there's nothing to make us think of the wavelength

And idk, why would you use such a scientific concept in a literary style

[errant kettle]

It is too obscure a reference for any inference of that meaning unless you are writing poetry

[stone jackal]

Why stop at purple? Go straight for gamma rays!

@boreal ingot What is your opinion? #📚｜english-questions message

[boreal ingot]

I guess this would mean you disagree with using nostalgia when they haven't ever experienced that thing, but rather are watching someone experience it and wishing they could have done so in the past? It doesn't much make sense to me to experience nostalgia for a time that never was, despite its being a real concept called 'anemoia'.

[verbal heron]

Because that's what that stroke my mind at that time

[boreal ingot]

Here ^ @stone jackal, replace 'longing' with 'nostalgia'. Vampire asserts that they think 'nostalgia' works there

[opaque topaz]

i love words like this

[stone jackal]

I believe Anemoia is depictied in the movie "Midnight in Paris" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAfR8omt-CY

[boreal ingot]

Yea they're fun lol

[opaque topaz]

i am sick of nostalgia and nostalgia is sick of me yet it is a malady that not even a panacea can fix in me i fear 😌

[opaque topaz]

im so sick w it that i have nostalgia for words like those

[verbal heron]

I was thinking of using it with the refinements made, but since it's indeed incomprehensible I will drop this usage. Thanks btw

[opaque topaz]

sonder ❤️‍🔥

[verbal heron]

Now I've come back to my senses 💀

At that time, even my instincts didn't help me

[boreal ingot]

I love your words lol

[boreal ingot]

Okay but why do I feel this so often lol?

These obscure words need be more popular

I haven't met a single other person who knows sonder

Youre the first

[stone jackal]

He goes back in time where he feels was much better than the present. He meets a girl their but she goes back in time to where she thinks is even better. Kind of interesting. Of course I was using the word where back to where it was better but it really was back to when. In any event, it is a really good movie.

[opaque topaz]

FR

i feel it when im contemplating at night

[opaque topaz]

some of them are relatively new, like sonder, and unfamiliar

[opaque topaz]

Omg ur double spacing is reminding me of my teachers 😭

[boreal ingot]

It's so obscure it's like calling someone sunny to call them smart.
Sunny -> bright -> smart
😭

[stone jackal]

Why do so many people even notice if I am double spacing? I don't get it.

[boreal ingot]

Sometimes I'm just in the back seat if the car and I see humans and I'm like 'holy shit'

[boreal ingot]

It's pretty noticeable

Ngl, I didn't even know it's a thing before meeting you

[stone jackal]

I feel nostalgic when I think of old mechanical typewriters. ... lol

[boreal ingot]

If you weren't someone I had already established as having a good understanding of English, or if you were a beginner, I would have tried to correct you

[boreal ingot]

Lol

[opaque topaz]

bc our teachers do it !!

[boreal ingot]

I didn't even know it's a thing 😔

[boreal ingot]

Makes sense ye

[stone jackal]

All of my teachers had died long ago. They are waiting for me on the other side.

[opaque topaz]

its more archaic now. highly admonished by our generation but not wrong ofc

[opaque topaz]

Nooooo 😭 Thats so sad

[boreal ingot]

Damn that gives me a sense of impending doom

[opaque topaz]

Imma cry hearing that omgg im so srry to hearr

[boreal ingot]

Yea, Bompasaurus explained to me that it's a typewriter thing

[stone jackal]

Well, I am still above the dirt for the moment. The extra spaces keep me feeling youthful. lol

[boreal ingot]

Keep on double spacing

[opaque topaz]

srry if this is rude but that is ironic to me but it makes sense!

[boreal ingot]

Ye iss kinda ironic

[opaque topaz]

but dinosaurs 💅🏻

[stone jackal]

I have heard even when we get old that we dance the way we did when we were young. Double spacing is like that.

[boreal ingot]

Gen-z will be doing TikTok dances when they're 70 😭

[opaque topaz]

😍

[stone jackal]

Are they the ones that swallow Tide-pods?

[boreal ingot]

Lmfao that's hilarious

That's if any of us even get to 70

[opaque topaz]

uhmm... ... ... ..

[boreal ingot]

Why you using Morse code now

[stone jackal]

Often you can tell which generation a person is from by the words they use.

Groovy, cool, swift, neato, the bomb, the max, the cat's pajamas ...

[opaque topaz]

🤷‍♀️

[opaque topaz]

We are learning that in French class actually!!

[stone jackal]

What words do the younger generations use like that?

[opaque topaz]

there's so manyyy

[boreal ingot]

Three long signals and one short one

[boreal ingot]

I'm not sure what Tide-pods are tbh

[stone jackal]

... --- ...

[boreal ingot]

SOS :0

[stone jackal]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumption_of_Tide_Pods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xCJbJjpIqE

[opaque topaz]

i remember that omg

[boreal ingot]

I don't use them much, probably because I'm not a native, but there is 'cap, yap, lowkey, on god, slay, rizz, goated, bet, fire, period'. There is way more I can't think of

[boreal ingot]

Oh wow I forgot that happened

[opaque topaz]

lowkey & bet kills me oml

[stone jackal]

I might be able to understand slay if I heard it used. The others are completely foreign to me.

[boreal ingot]

Wdymm

[opaque topaz]

theyre so cringe 😭

the others r the best though

[stone jackal]

I still have not figured out what cringe means these days.

Is it like embarrassing?

or yuckie?

[boreal ingot]

Fuck I spent so long writing that

Why is the bot like this

Just delted it

[stone jackal]

What are you talking about?

[boreal ingot]

I sent a message explaining the slang terms

The bot deleted it cuz I had too many lines or smth

[stone jackal]

The bot?

[acoustic geyser]

Hello everyone

[stone jackal]

Maybe you hit a wrong key?

[acoustic geyser]

I wonder if these usages is the same

[boreal ingot]

Capping is lying, no cap is 'truthfully'

Yapping is gabbing, talking too much uselessly

Lowkey is hard to explain, it's supposed to mean 'I don't wanna admit this but', but it's so overused it doesn't really mean that anymore. Not sure what it means at this point

On god is just emphatic to make a statement stronger

Rizz comes from charisma. It just means 'flirtatious ability'. It can also be used as a verb 'rizz up'

Goated means 'the best' or 'really good'
('The goat' means 'the Greatest Of All Time')

Bet is just a statement of agreement
'wanna go out?'
'bet'
It's New York slang

Fire/sick is just 'really cool'

Period is to make your sentence more finalising

[boreal ingot]

Oh, Discord servers have bots, it's like, programs they use to moderate the server

[stone jackal]

I have seen that if you try to boost a server before you are allowed. I have never seen it not let someone type something.

[boreal ingot]

If you try to send an insult it can delete your message

[stone jackal]

It is almost 11pm. I need to go to sleep.

[boreal ingot]

If you spam also

But yea, idk why theyve made it delete messages with a lot if lines

[boreal ingot]

Good night! Take a look at the explanation I sent when you can

[stone jackal]

Good night everyone.

[boreal ingot]

Sweet dreams

[stone jackal]

I recognize the Period one. We used that in the same way back in the day. lol

[boreal ingot]

Yea true. I hate 'bet', but 'lowkey' is meh

[stone jackal]

We also used yapping in the same way.

[boreal ingot]

Oh interesting

Thought it was newish

[stone jackal]

I don't recognize the others.

[opaque topaz]

i love that word

yapping is amazing

[boreal ingot]

I hate it it's annoying

[opaque topaz]

omg whattt

[boreal ingot]

I'm ardently talking about smth then ppl go 'yap'

[opaque topaz]

i love yapping

[boreal ingot]

Hurts

[opaque topaz]

and the word

so prettyyyy

[boreal ingot]

Ohb yea yapping is fun

But getting told you yap

As an insult

Sucksss

[stone jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-tired-tired-puppy-doggo-cute-puppy-gif-9446132869263243239

Nite everyone!

[boreal ingot]

'I ain't reading all'at, stop yapping'
Like fuckk youuu

[boreal ingot]

Nighttt

[opaque topaz]

its never an insult

[opaque topaz]

GN!!!

[boreal ingot]

You've never been told 'I ain't reading all'at stop yapping'?

Ive seen it used as a way to tell ppl to shut up

Really sucks

[opaque topaz]

thats a compliment 🥰

[boreal ingot]

Cuz I'm a yapper myself

[opaque topaz]

just keep yapping

[boreal ingot]

Real

[opaque topaz]

i should go to bed i have school

[boreal ingot]

Ooh gnn girll

Sweet dreams

[flat rune]

?def kudos

[hazy herald]

Word: kudos

Definition (noun): an expression of approval and commendation

Definition requested by henryhenry033

[boreal ingot]

!def ten

?def ten

[hazy herald]

Word: ten

Definition 1 (noun): one of four playing cards in a deck with ten pips on the face
Definition 2 (noun): the cardinal number that is the sum of nine and one; the base of the decimal system
Definition 3 (adjective): being one more than nine

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by scelultrix

[boreal ingot]

?def Nonillion

[hazy herald]

Word: Nonillion

No definitions listed.

Definition requested by scelultrix

[boreal ingot]

Dummy

?def impertinent to

[hazy herald]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[boreal ingot]

?def impertinent

[hazy herald]

Word: impertinent

Definition 1 (adjective): improperly forward or bold
Definition 2 (adjective): not pertinent to the matter under consideration
Definition 3 (adjective): characterized by a lightly pert and exuberant quality

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by scelultrix

[flat rune]

I have question to native speakers.

1. Is there significant difference when using Do in create questions?

For example

Do you like eat apple?
You like eat apple?

Or "do" just adding literally question

[grim bough]

you like eat apple? is not correct.
do at the beginning indicates a close-ended question just like est-ce que.

you can say this but with rising intonation at the end. This is of the familier registre.
You like eating apples ?

[verbal heron]

I think the former question should be asked as shown below-
"Do you like to eat an apple?"

[acoustic geyser]

?vicar

?def vicar

[hazy herald]

Word: vicar

Definition 1 (noun): a Roman Catholic priest who acts for another higher-ranking clergyman
Definition 2 (noun): (Church of England) a clergyman appointed to act as priest of a parish
Definition 3 (noun): (Episcopal Church) a clergyman in charge of a chapel

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by xeventxhorizonx123

[acoustic geyser]

What's different between an Isle and Island?

[boreal ingot]

Are you reading The Chaos lol

[acoustic geyser]

No

[boreal ingot]

I see

The only place I've seen both vicar and isle was that poem

It's actually the only place I've seen vicar lol

[acoustic geyser]

Anyway, is it just me or most irregular verbs are seldom used?

Like befall and cast

?def oubliette

[hazy herald]

Word: oubliette

Definition (noun): a dungeon with the only entrance or exit being a trap door in the ceiling

Definition requested by xeventxhorizonx123

[acoustic geyser]

Mate, could you help me something?

Do you know which context the natives often use future continuous?

I know it is used to talk about an action that is happening at a particular time in the future, but I don't know when to use it

[boreal ingot]

It's mostly used when an action is interrupted in the future, so 'I will be eating when you come in' eating will be an ongoing action in the future

Eating won't start at that moment, but will be ongoing at that moment

Also when two actions happen at the same time

If I get chased, I'll be fearing for my life as I run away

Running away and fearing are happening at the same time in the future

Or in a hypothetical scenario, in this case

[green stream]

Identify the error:
This delightful recipe must keep your hunger pangs at bay with its balanced spices and oriental flavour.

[boreal ingot]

Doesn't seem like there are any errors?

[visual umbra]

I see only a logical error. A recipe is not food; it cannot make you satiated. And it cannot contain spices.

[boreal ingot]

Yea, I thought that could be the case, but it doesn't sound particularly wrong to me to use recipe like this

This pancake recipe will make your kids squeal in delight.

Sounds fine, doesn't it? This is just the same usage

[visual umbra]

No, this is not the same. You show the pancake recipe to kids, and they squeal: "Yeah, cook it for us". They will not eat the pancake recipe.

[boreal ingot]

I can 100% see that line being the opener to an article explaining the recipe tbh. I think it can be used like this

A third opinion would be nice

[sacred mirage]

I would say in excitement, delight is fine but usually when someone squeals in a positive way its followed by the word excitement

[visual umbra]

The cause of too many misunderstandings between people is that some ascribe meanings to the words that those words do not have, and expect that others will see those "additionally ascribed" meanings.

[sacred mirage]

but not always obviously, maybe just me being weird

however if you are talking about food ( which you are ) then delight is the best option

[boreal ingot]

Alrighty, thank you

[boreal ingot]

We were more discussing about using the word 'recipe' there

Do you think that means that the food from the recipe is good, or that the recipe, like, would be eaten and tastes good

[visual umbra]

This phenomenon has been known for a long time as the Humpty Dumpty's approach:

'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less. ' 'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

[boreal ingot]

Cuz VB is saying that that means your kids will squeal when they see the pancake recipe

Not that they will squeal from the pancakes

Just wanted a third opinion to settle it

[boreal ingot]

I didn't ascribe a new meaning to it, I'm just using it as I've seen it being used

I may be mistaken, which is why I asked for a third opinion

[visual umbra]

So, you have seen the word "recipe" in the meaning "food". OK, things happen.

[green stream]

Why tf was it on my test😭

[sacred mirage]

it would be the recipe not talking about the food

howeveer

its not weird but I wouldnt imagine just talking about a recipe

on its own

if you have a ‘good’ recipe its always because the food itself is good

so I think in hindsight it would probably suggest that the pancakes themselves are good

[boreal ingot]

So I couldn't say

Your kids will love this recipe
Or
This recipe will have your kids asking for not seconds but thirds

I feel I've often seen it that way

Maybe I'm misinformed

[boreal ingot]

I see, that makes sense

[sacred mirage]

The word recipe in this context is understood to mean the end product of the recipe, so yeah it would be the pancakes being good and delicious

[boreal ingot]

So this could work? ^ the starter of the argument was VB saying the sentence doesn't make logical sense

[sacred mirage]

no I had to re read and re read to see the error

but I didn’t see any

[boreal ingot]

I see

[sacred mirage]

thats why I didnt respond

[boreal ingot]

@green stream your teachers are stupid fr

[boreal ingot]

Lmao

[visual umbra]

If we can use "recipe" while meaning "pancakes", we can also use "pancakes" instead of "recipe", can't we?

I have emailed you my favorite pancakes. Enjoy. 🤣

[boreal ingot]

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thank you lots :>

[green stream]

I'm gonna ask my teacher when school reopens

[sacred mirage]

I think if its an academic piece of writing you would want to be ever so slightly more specific but thats the only thing that I can possibly think of where there ‘could’ be confusion

can someone just ask the question

[green stream]

The question asked for grammatical errors
Because logical errors are beyond my syllabus

[sacred mirage]

that youse are all wondering the answer to

[boreal ingot]

Was the question 'find the error' like asserting that there is one, or was it just 'point out any errors'

[signal shell]

i think the word "must" sounds awkward here in this sentence

[boreal ingot]

It does sound awkward but it's not really wrong :/

[green stream]

Identify the error and correct it

[acoustic geyser]

What's different between a song and music?

[boreal ingot]

👀

I only know of /deɪtə/ and /dɑtə/ for British accents, this sounds sort of like /datə/? Is this an American putting on a British accent for the dub's sake, or is it a Brit?

[signal shell]

why are we assuming it has to be a grammatical mistake?

[boreal ingot]

OP said so

[signal shell]

fair enough

why is OP assuming that?

[boreal ingot]

Lmfao

[boreal ingot]

@signal shell ^

[signal shell]

oh thanks, i guess that does clear that up

i wonder... if there should be a comma between bay and with

[visual umbra]

Back to the original question. The word "must" has a specific meaning of an unavoidable duty or accomplishment. I would use "can" or "may", or a more cautions "might".

But since we assume that "recipe" can mean food, we have to assume that emotional people can use "must" instead of "can" or "may".

This is grammar. This is about the use of modal verbs.

[boreal ingot]

I don't think so

I considered that for a bit but I don't think there is any reason to have one

[boreal ingot]

Anyone have any idea abt this ^

Is that not the American pronunciation of the word?

[visual umbra]

A song is a piece of poetry intended to be reproduced together with music or without it, but in a specific rhythm and in specific musical notes usually produced by human voice.

Music can be a part of a song, or can be produced on its own, usually with musical instruments.

[sacred mirage]

yeah I also thought this, will sounds more natural

[boreal ingot]

I was thinking 'is sure to' lol

[sonic mason]

i'm trying to ask a question here but server is not allowing because it has a blocked word 😞

but its a serious question

[flat rune]

What are the differences between these two sentences : Yesterday, I eliminated the final boss in the game. Yesterday, i wiped out the dust that was under the pillow. Can the verbs be interchanged ?

[sonic mason]

context: I made a video on youtube and I called a guy in the video this word because he was touching another man's butt and someone started cursing me in the comments because of that

[boreal ingot]

H^rny can be used like that jokingly. Naughty is less vulgar than h^rny. That person is overreacting

[gaunt mango]

Honestly, I don’t take either word to be particularly “offensive” in a sense but I think saying ‘naughty’ is a more child safe term.

[gaunt mango]

I’m assuming you’re asking the difference between “wipe out” and “eliminate”

Wipe out can be described like, to destroy or eliminate something entirely, which often implies total removal, maybe even violently. It can also mean to exhaust someone.
“He wiped out the other competitors (removed from competition) due to his incredible skill”
“He was wiped out from a long day of hard work”

To eliminate is pretty similar, but it’s a little more formal and can be used in more contexts. It also has the connotation of precision, controlled removal.
“She eliminated the infestation by using a mixture of traps and insecticides”

[verbal heron]

Can "wiping something out/away" be used in the context of miseries?

[flat rune]

Are they interchangeable ?

[verbal heron]

read his answer once again

[gaunt mango]

Depending on context

But most of the time, pretty much yeah

[gaunt mango]

Can you explain?

Wdym in the context of miseries

[flat rune]

Oh ok ty

[gaunt mango]

“I wiped away her tears”
Yes, because “wiped away/out” is just the phrasal verb of wiped

[flat rune]

What about wipe away and wipe off

[gaunt mango]

Same principle really, wiped away/off/out are all phrasal verbs of wiped

“You can wipe that smirk off your face and say goodbye to your highscore!”

[verbal heron]

idk if I can put it in words or not. But is the following a correct sentence?
" Standing up in the sun set on the beach was such an experience that it wiped all our miseries away"

[boreal ingot]

You always ask this after people tell you exactly how they are different and how they are similar?

[gaunt mango]

Sunset would be one word, but your example works

“The beautiful sunset wiped our worries away”

[flat rune]

They say they are similar but not if we can interchange them

[boreal ingot]

Is this a personification?

[gaunt mango]

Although most people would use “washed” in this case (since the sunset washes over their feelings)

“The beautiful sunset washed away our worries”

[gaunt mango]

We are personifying the sunset as beautiful, so yes

[verbal heron]

Thanks, but do I need to punctuate my original sentence?

[gaunt mango]

No, I’m wrong

I forgot that personification is solely for human exclusive traits

Beautiful is a trait but it’s not exclusive to humans

[verbal heron]

Even a flood can wipe something away ig

[boreal ingot]

No I mean the fact it can 'wipe away' something

Like, wouldn't that be personifying it?

[gaunt mango]

Instead of standing up, I would use something similar to watching

[flat rune]

What is the difference between wash and wash out ?

[gaunt mango]

Oh, yeah

[verbal heron]

Hm, okay

[gaunt mango]

Wipe away can personify non-human objects because it’s describing that object as performing a human action

[verbal heron]

Are "wipe away/off' inseparable or separable?

[gaunt mango]

Separable

[gaunt mango]

See here

[verbal heron]

I see

[flat rune]

Does wipe up exist ?

[verbal heron]

But how is that personification?

[gaunt mango]

Yes

[flat rune]

What does it mean ?

[verbal heron]

same ig

[boreal ingot]

I see, thanks

[gaunt mango]

To wipe, is a human verb, which applies to the phrasal forms of wiped.

Since in this case, the sun (in your example is wiping, in mine is washing, both human actions) which is an inhuman object is performing those actions, the sun is being personified

[gaunt mango]

Wiped up usually means to clean, typically spills.
“She wiped up the milk from the floor”

[verbal heron]

Give example of an inhuman verb

[flat rune]

I suppose that wipe down exists

[gaunt mango]

Grow

[gaunt mango]

Yes, in a cleaning fashion typically as well

“She wiped the windows down”

[verbal heron]

In case of humans, we have to use the phrasal verb "grow up", right?

[gaunt mango]

Right, but plants can also grow so it’s non human

“His new pets grew on him over time”

[verbal heron]

yea, now that's clear to me

[flat rune]

I'm gonna give some example and you'll tell me if i am wrong : I wiped off the dust from the desk. I wiped away the leaves that were on my road. I wiped him out so that he loses. I wiped up the water that i dropped.

[boreal ingot]

^

[verbal heron]

Does it mean that the new pets got used to liking him over some period of time?

[boreal ingot]

He slowly started liking the pets more even though he didn't like them at first

[verbal heron]

Lol thanks

[boreal ingot]

Np

[gaunt mango]

Sorry I didn’t see this earlier.
I would say this is closer to the British “da - tuh” than American “day - tuh” in this specific pronunciation, this person might be saying slightly differently due to region variation (like how someone from London would probably have a slightly different accent than somewhere like Birmingham)

[boreal ingot]

American uses both, day tuh and da tuh, but I thought da tuh was more common than day tuh there

So this doesn't sound American to you?

[gaunt mango]

From my experience most ppl in the United States say day-tuh rather than da tuh, but I’ve heard da tuh too

No, it sounds like English English

[boreal ingot]

I thought Brits really only used the back A vowel (if you've heard a Brit say 'Bath', that vowel) for it, or 'day'. This sounds like a front vowel (like in 'ash'), so I assumed it's American. i guess this means Brits say it three different ways

Thank you

[gaunt mango]

Sorry if I can’t help too much I’m not too experienced on British accent specifics :(